From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 7001 Return-Path: X-Sender: idojc@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_4); 26 Sep 2002 15:11:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 93137 invoked from network); 26 Sep 2002 15:11:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Sep 2002 15:11:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.17.17) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Sep 2002 15:11:46 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 26 Sep 2002 08:11:45 -0700 Received: from 195.166.69.187 by lw11fd.law11.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 26 Sep 2002 15:11:44 GMT To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: [ido] religio Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 15:11:44 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Sep 2002 15:11:45.0371 (UTC) FILETIME=[070AAAB0:01C2656F] From: "James Chandler" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=24528831 X-Yahoo-Profile: idojc Sro Totten skribis: >Ma vu obliviis pri la maxim aceptata religio, ligita >ad OMNA governerio: Ekonomiko. Me devas mecionar, ke en Britania kristanismo ne es sendependa de la stato. Fakte la rejo (monarko) es e la stato-chefo e la chefo dil Eklezio di Anglia (fondita da la granda Henry la Okesma pro ilua deskonkordo kun la lora papo). >Omna governerio supozas ke ekonomial kresko es bona, >malgre nulu pruvis lo. Fakte, multi montras ke >ekonomial kresko destruktas la planeto. Ni ne bezonas >ekonomial kresko. Ni bezonas plu racioza ekonomio. Amiko mea en l'universitato kustumis dicar ke ni bezonas kresko, ma la justa speco di kresko. Per to il intencis kresko qua provizas plusa pekunio por hospitali, skoli ed altra publika servi. Nature ni bezonas plu racionoza ekonomio, ma ye la nivelo global. Regretinde la global ekonomio es nun direktata da mikra grupo di bankisti en la Mondala Banko, IMF, ECB ec. La supreso di inflaciono* es lo maxim importanta por li, nule la kreo di employeso o la diminuto di povreso. Sen nova mond-ordino, esas nulo facebla pri ca situaciono*. Kordiale, James Chandler idojc@hotmail.com http://www.geocities.com/idojc - IALs index http://www.geocities.com/idojc/yindex.html - Ido index "I come from a country which does not yet exist." - J. Craveirinha _________________________________________________________________ Join the world�s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 7002 Return-Path: X-Sender: ido.info@chello.nl X-Apparently-To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_4); 26 Sep 2002 18:28:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 68340 invoked from network); 26 Sep 2002 18:28:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Sep 2002 18:28:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO amsfep15-int.chello.nl) (213.46.243.28) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Sep 2002 18:28:33 -0000 Received: from stuifbergen ([24.132.24.215]) by amsfep15-int.chello.nl (InterMail vM.5.01.03.06 201-253-122-118-106-20010523) with SMTP id <20020926182831.YRXT1436.amsfep15-int.chello.nl@stuifbergen>; Thu, 26 Sep 2002 20:28:31 +0200 Message-ID: <004b01c2658a$c5e7f300$d7188418@a2000.nl> To: "idostab" Cc: "idolisto" Subject: Diala Jurnaleto (26-IX-02) Britania: striko - Rusia: spioneri - Suisia: pornografio - Egiptia: Mubarak voyajas Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 20:30:17 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "Hans Stuifbergen" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=22974939 X-Yahoo-Profile: ido_info Britania: striko paralizas London ---------------------------------------------------------- Personaro di la Londonana metropolitano strikis hiere por augmento di lia salario ye plu kam 3 procent. Diale la metropolitano transportas 3 milioni de pasajeri. L' urbestro di London, Ken Livingstone, blamas la direktistaro di la metropolitano por ne esar komplezanta negociar. Nova striko es pre-anuncata por l' 1ma di oktobro. ----------------------------------------------------------- Rusia: suspektata spionero libera ----------------------------------------------------------- Korto en Siberia imperis la provizora liberigo di Rusa naturo-ciencisto qua es detenata depos februaro di la yaro pasinta, pro ke il spionis por Chinia. ---------------------------------------------------------- Suisia: ago kontre infantala pornografio ---------------------------------------------------------- En Suisia la polico inquestis 1300 suspektati qui deskargis infantala pornografio del interreto. L' ago en Suisia es parto di internaciona exploro a klienti dil Usana provizerio Landslide. Per ta provizerio cirkum 300 retala situi de pornografio infantala povis esar vizitata. La klienti povis esar trovata pro ke li pagis per karto di kredito por la materialo pornografial. ---------------------------------------------------------- Egiptia: Mubarak vizitas guideri Araba ---------------------------------------------------------- La prezidanto Egiptiana Hosni Mubarak komencis hiere voyajo tra la Mez-oriento por konsulto kun guideri Araba pri la minacanta milito en Irak. Irak savigis da Mubarak, pasinta mardio, ke li es komplezanta aceptar senkondicione l' armo-inspekteri di la NU. Merkurdio Mubarak departis a Saudi-Arabia por renkontro kun krono-princo Abdula. Pose il voyajos ad altra chefurbi Araba, ma detali ankore ne es konocata. Mardio pasinta Mubarak recevis l' Irakana ministro di Extera Aferi Naji Sabri. --------------------------------------------------------- Kurte: - Pasajero incendias autobuso en India: ok mortinti e 24 vunditi - 5 mortinti e 42 vunditi en Turkia pro acidento inter du autobusi ed un automobilo. - 16 Baleni mortis sur la plaji dil insuli Kanariana pro exerci militerala da ONAT, segun Greenpeace - Sergey Kukura di Lukoil liberigita, sen pagar ransono, pos du semani de kidnapeso, en Rusia Saluti, HS nova: ARTHUR RIMBAUD, biografio, 75 pag., 3,50 euri http://www.angelfire.com/id/Avance/TiaListo1.html IDO, LA LINGUO INTERNACIONA http://members.tripod.com/~avancigado http://www.idolinguo.com/ Ido, linguo neutra inter diferanta kulturi From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 7003 Return-Path: X-Sender: tottenp@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_4); 26 Sep 2002 23:37:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 3455 invoked from network); 26 Sep 2002 23:37:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Sep 2002 23:37:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web12507.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.173.199) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Sep 2002 23:37:53 -0000 Message-ID: <20020926233753.85425.qmail@web12507.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [203.104.206.220] by web12507.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 27 Sep 2002 00:37:53 BST Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 00:37:53 +0100 (BST) Subject: Kordiego g To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1033041695.158.28644.m12@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Peter=20totten?= X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=30053730 X-Yahoo-Profile: tottenp Kara sioro Hans Stuifbergen, Hodie me recevis specimeno di Kordiego g. Ol es tre interesanta e me volus abonar, ma quale sendor pekunio a vu nun? Me audis de Frank ke Japoniana yeni ne plus es bonvenata en Europa. Ka me sendez Usana dolari? Quantin me sendez? Kordiegale salutas, Petrus __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 7004 Return-Path: X-Sender: cellus@telia.com X-Apparently-To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_4); 27 Sep 2002 16:57:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 60459 invoked from network); 27 Sep 2002 16:57:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Sep 2002 16:57:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailb.telia.com) (194.22.194.6) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Sep 2002 16:57:43 -0000 Received: from d1o913.telia.com (d1o913.telia.com [195.252.44.241]) by mailb.telia.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8RGvgYk002653 for ; Fri, 27 Sep 2002 18:57:42 +0200 (CEST) X-Original-Recipient: Received: from telia.com (h167n2fls21o913.telia.com [213.65.172.167]) by d1o913.telia.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA11762 for ; Fri, 27 Sep 2002 18:57:40 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <3D948E6C.AAA1FFAC@telia.com> Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 18:59:24 +0200 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: sv,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ido] "Wok" = padelo? References: <200209220132.g8M1WwX04198@mail.primo.co.jp> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Kjell Rehnstrom X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=28747247 "Bebson Y. TAKATA" wrote: > (...) > > Parenteze, Chel, me ne bone komprenis la lasta > frazo: forsan vaki - segun la USA-ana pronunco > Kad onu normale pronuncas la Sveda vorto en la > USA-ana maniero? Quelle horreur! Quale ledega! La vorto "wok" es China vorto, ka ne? E la amerikani prononcas olu (sekun mea auri quale "wak", ma ni prononcas la sama vorto quale "vu:k", tale quale ni suedlingue legas la literi "w - o - k". Kjell R (Skriba sen ido-lexiko). From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 7005 Return-Path: X-Sender: cellus@telia.com X-Apparently-To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_4); 27 Sep 2002 16:59:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 6695 invoked from network); 27 Sep 2002 16:59:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Sep 2002 16:59:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailb.telia.com) (194.22.194.6) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Sep 2002 16:59:24 -0000 Received: from d1o913.telia.com (d1o913.telia.com [195.252.44.241]) by mailb.telia.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8RGxNYk004648 for ; Fri, 27 Sep 2002 18:59:23 +0200 (CEST) X-Original-Recipient: Received: from telia.com (h167n2fls21o913.telia.com [213.65.172.167]) by d1o913.telia.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA14359 for ; Fri, 27 Sep 2002 18:59:23 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <3D948ED3.87BD0BED@telia.com> Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 19:01:07 +0200 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: sv,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ido] Pardonez me pliz* References: <20020922062655420.JJXV@kfep04.dion.ne.jp> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Kjell Rehnstrom X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=28747247 "Bebson Y. TAKATA" wrote: > Ne > ============================================== > Sri Ray BERGMANN, Kjell REHNSTRON e MTW: Ups! > ============================================== > ma > ============================================== > Sri MTW, Ray BERGMANN e Kjell REHNSTROM: Ups! > ============================================== > Vera Ups! Me mistaipis* N por M en REHNSTROM. > Sro Kjell REHNSTROM, pardonez BYT/me pliz*. Nula problemo! Me mem ne rimarkis la eroro! Kjell R From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 7006 Return-Path: X-Sender: cellus@telia.com X-Apparently-To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_4); 27 Sep 2002 18:26:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 84609 invoked from network); 27 Sep 2002 18:26:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Sep 2002 18:26:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailf.telia.com) (194.22.194.25) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Sep 2002 18:26:54 -0000 Received: from d1o913.telia.com (d1o913.telia.com [195.252.44.241]) by mailf.telia.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8RIQrKI001292 for ; Fri, 27 Sep 2002 20:26:53 +0200 (CEST) X-Original-Recipient: Received: from telia.com (h167n2fls21o913.telia.com [213.65.172.167]) by d1o913.telia.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA03368 for ; Fri, 27 Sep 2002 20:26:51 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <3D94A353.AAD69199@telia.com> Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 20:28:35 +0200 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: sv,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ido] Prizenti ido ad esperantisti - disipado di energio? References: <3D8A1DD8.778DAC0@telia.com> <007701c26310$8147fb40$24d906d5@oemcomputer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Kjell Rehnstrom X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=28747247 G=FCnter Anton wrote: > (...) > Fakte segun mea experienci ni apene povas = propagar Ido sucesoze sen kritikar > Esperanto. Kompreneble la sama proble= mo existas pri propagando de interlingua. Multa homi demandas ka to es la s= ama kam esperanto. Multa de l'membri del Sueda interlingua societo provis = anke lerni esperanto. Ma plura anke advenis kam resulto de la extera reklam= o. Persone me lernas ido, ne nam me pensas ke ol es plu bona kam esperanto= o interlingua ma nam ol es tre interesa linguo e in kelka aspekti prezenta= s solvi qua es tre amuza ek lingua vidpunkto. On devas pensar de la aferi = ke es tipa por ido e parlar de oli ad la publiko. Kjell R From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 7007 Return-Path: X-Sender: ido.info@chello.nl X-Apparently-To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_4); 27 Sep 2002 21:40:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 43035 invoked from network); 27 Sep 2002 21:40:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Sep 2002 21:40:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO amsfep13-int.chello.nl) (213.46.243.24) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Sep 2002 21:40:29 -0000 Received: from stuifbergen ([24.132.24.215]) by amsfep13-int.chello.nl (InterMail vM.5.01.03.06 201-253-122-118-106-20010523) with SMTP id <20020927214027.GLHI2173.amsfep13-int.chello.nl@stuifbergen>; Fri, 27 Sep 2002 23:40:27 +0200 Message-ID: <004b01c2666e$c2b87760$d7188418@a2000.nl> To: "idostab" , "idolisto" Subject: Diala Jurnaleto (27-IX-02) Maroko/Francia: explozili - Nederlando: Milosevic - Ivora Rivo: stranjeri evakuata Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 23:42:08 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "Hans Stuifbergen" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=22974939 X-Yahoo-Profile: ido_info Maroko/Francia: explozili en aviono ------------------------------------------------------------- En Francia, sur l' aeroportuo dil urbo Metz on deskovris en aviono de Maroko cent grami de materialo exploziva. La materialo esis volvita en aluminio-folio en brakio-apogilo di stulo. Franca experto sugestis teorio ke unesma persono plasizis la materiali e duesma persono retro-aviacanta devis acendar to. L' anti-terorismo-polico inquestas omna pasajeri. ---------------------------------------------------------- Nederlando: gent-ocidoproceso kontre Milosevic riapertita ---------------------------------------------------------- Koram la Yugoslavia-tribunalo en Den Haag, la duesma parto di la proceso kontre ex-prezidanto di Yugoslavia, Slobodan Milosevic, komencis hiere. Milosevic es akuzata pro amaso-mortigo de islamanuli di Srebrenica e la tri yara asiejo di Sarayevo. Anke mili de civili es ocidita dum la milito e 170.000 Kroati ed altra ne-Serbi es for-chasita de parto de Kroatia. Til nun Milosevic negas la maxim severa akuzi kontre il, e negas la ke Serbi facis la milito-krimini, ma kontree, aspiris la paco e ne la milito. ---------------------------------------------------------- Ivora Rivo: stranjeri evakuata ---------------------------------------------------------- Franca soldati komencis evakuar la plu kam 800 stranjeri de Bouak�, la duesma urbo di la lando. Segun Ivora-rivani qui fugis a Mali, la rebeli havas en manui la maxim importanta loki en la majoritate da islamani habitata nordo. Ecowas, l' organizuro de dekekin stati Afrikana probas mediacar, sundio esos urjeso-kunveno. La rebeli dicas kombatar kontre la "diktatorala rejimo" di Ivora Rivo, qua dicas esar demokratio. La destranquileso duktis a granda augmento di kakao-preci. Ivora Rivo es la maxim granda produktanto di kakao-fabo. ---------------------------------------------------------- Kurte: - Spice Girls retrovenos, se la projeto di Melanie B sucesas, to es, riunionar la grupo - Birma: morto-puniso por facinti di stroko statala - ministro di Defenso di Vietnam vizitos (unesmafoye depos 1975) l' Usa - naturala rezisto kontre SIDA deskovrita - en Pakistan ekreleskis treni, dekedu mortinti e sisadek vunditi Saluti amikala, HS -- nova: ARTHUR RIMBAUD, biografio, 75 pag., 3,50 euri http://www.angelfire.com/id/Avance/TiaListo1.html IDO, LA LINGUO INTERNACIONA http://members.tripod.com/~avancigado http://www.idolinguo.com/ Ido, linguo neutra inter diferanta kulturi From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 7008 Return-Path: X-Sender: mtw@birdseye.view.net.au X-Apparently-To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_4); 28 Sep 2002 08:58:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 94465 invoked from network); 28 Sep 2002 08:58:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Sep 2002 08:58:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chameleon.view.net.au) (203.87.111.154) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Sep 2002 08:58:46 -0000 Received: from chameleon.view.net.au (mtw@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chameleon.view.net.au (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g8S8wiB1002874 for ; Sat, 28 Sep 2002 18:28:44 +0930 Received: from localhost (mtw@localhost) by chameleon.view.net.au (8.12.2/8.12.2/Submit) with ESMTP id g8S8wh8j002871 for ; Sat, 28 Sep 2002 18:28:43 +0930 X-Authentication-Warning: chameleon.view.net.au: mtw owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 18:28:43 +0930 (CST) X-X-Sender: mtw@chameleon.view.net.au To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ido] "Wok" = padelo? In-Reply-To: <3D948E6C.AAA1FFAC@telia.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Michael Talbot-Wilson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=8823137 Ye 2002-09-27 18:59 +0200, Kjell Rehnstrom skribis: > "Bebson Y. TAKATA" wrote: > > > (...) > > > > Parenteze, Chel, me ne bone komprenis la lasta > > frazo: forsan vaki - segun la USA-ana pronunco > > Kad onu normale pronuncas la Sveda vorto en la > > USA-ana maniero? Quelle horreur! Quale ledega! > La vorto "wok" es China vorto, ka ne? E la amerikani prononcas olu > (sekun mea auri quale "wak", Segun mea oreli, anke. > ma ni prononcas la sama vorto quale > "vu:k", tale quale ni suedlingue legas la literi "w - o - k". > Kjell R > (Skriba sen ido-lexiko). From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 7009 Return-Path: X-Sender: idojc@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_4); 28 Sep 2002 14:31:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 78158 invoked from network); 28 Sep 2002 14:31:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Sep 2002 14:31:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.17.243) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Sep 2002 14:31:12 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 28 Sep 2002 07:31:12 -0700 Received: from 195.92.67.68 by lw11fd.law11.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 28 Sep 2002 14:31:11 GMT To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: [ido] Prizenti ido ad esperantisti - disipado di energio? Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 14:31:11 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Sep 2002 14:31:12.0075 (UTC) FILETIME=[B182A9B0:01C266FB] From: "James Chandler" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=24528831 X-Yahoo-Profile: idojc Ica temo es interesanta, ma me mustas korektigar la subjekto-lineo: Prizentar ido ad esperantisti o Prizenti di/pri ido ad esperantisti Erori en subjekto-linei es aparte mala, nam li es nature repetata. Danko. Kordiale, James Chandler idojc@hotmail.com http://www.geocities.com/idojc - IALs index http://www.geocities.com/idojc/yindex.html - Ido index "I come from a country which does not yet exist." - J. Craveirinha _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 7010 Return-Path: X-Sender: mtw@birdseye.view.net.au X-Apparently-To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_4); 28 Sep 2002 15:36:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 31616 invoked from network); 28 Sep 2002 15:36:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Sep 2002 15:36:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chameleon.view.net.au) (203.87.111.154) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Sep 2002 15:36:02 -0000 Received: from chameleon.view.net.au (mtw@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chameleon.view.net.au (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g8SFZxB1004045 for ; Sun, 29 Sep 2002 01:05:59 +0930 Received: from localhost (mtw@localhost) by chameleon.view.net.au (8.12.2/8.12.2/Submit) with ESMTP id g8SFZwQt004042 for ; Sun, 29 Sep 2002 01:05:59 +0930 X-Authentication-Warning: chameleon.view.net.au: mtw owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2002 01:05:58 +0930 (CST) X-X-Sender: mtw@chameleon.view.net.au To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ido] Prizentar Ido ad Esperantisti - disipado di energio? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Michael Talbot-Wilson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=8823137 Ye 2002-09-28 14:31 -0000, James Chandler skribis: > Ica temo es interesanta, ma me mustas korektigar la subjekto-lineo: > > Prizentar ido ad esperantisti > > o > > Prizenti di/pri ido ad esperantisti > > Erori en subjekto-linei es aparte mala, nam li es nature repetata. Ma semblante James obliviis chanjar ol. La vorto "subjekto" signifikas gramatikala fako, e James ja skribis pri "ica temo". Ni parolez pri temo-linei. Pri la afero. Me opinionas ke ol bezonas amikeso. On ne povas koaktar ta qua konocas ed amas altra helpolinguo, ma forsan on povas seduktar. Recente on vidis che Bablo forta propagado pri ula nova helpolinguo. Ma me bone konocis ke la propaganto nule suciis pri me, ma sole pri sua linguo, e lon konocis ni omni. Pro statistiko, se ne esus irga problemo linguala pri Esperanto, se ne esus irga pluboneso pri Ido, la fluo esus ek Esperanto ad Ido (ed Interlingua), til ke li omni havus sama nombri di adheranti. Amikale, Michael Talbot-Wilson -- Lu dispersis le superba kordie. Lu destronizis la potenti ed elevis la humili. La hungrantin Lu plenigis de bonaji e la richin Lu forigis indijanta. -- Por abonar kresko sendez 'subscribe' a . From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 7011 Return-Path: X-Sender: bebson@k3.dion.ne.jp X-Apparently-To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_4); 28 Sep 2002 21:09:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 66017 invoked from network); 28 Sep 2002 21:09:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Sep 2002 21:09:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO kfep02.dion.ne.jp) (203.181.105.164) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Sep 2002 21:09:44 -0000 Received: from Ido ([218.222.51.187]) by kfep02.dion.ne.jp with SMTP id <20020928210940797.LFUU@kfep02.dion.ne.jp>; Sun, 29 Sep 2002 06:09:40 +0900 X-My-Real-Login-Name: a377322940; mail.k3.dion.ne.jp MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Denshin 8 Go V32.1.3.1; sp2 Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2002 06:10:47 +0900 To: IdoSkolo , IdoListo Subject: Kad ekonomIKo esas maladeso? Message-Id: <20020928210940797.LFUU@kfep02.dion.ne.jp> From: "Bebson Y. TAKATA" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=94318719 X-Yahoo-Profile: idiotisto ============================================== Sro Petro TOTTEN: Qua Marx? Sro Marx DUMMKOPF? ============================================== ]Inter multa religii nur Kristanismo sucesis en ]la separigo dil religio del stati. >Ma vu obliviis pri la maxim aceptata religio, >ligita ad OMNA guvernerio: Ekonomiko. Recente >me lektis libro pri Marx e konstatis ke omna >ekonomikala "lego" fakte havas nula bazo vere >ciencal. Omno esas pens-maniero da Ticio, Kaio >e Sempronio, "exakte quale" en multa religii. >Omna guvernerio supozas ke ekonomiala kresko >esas bona, malgre ke nulu pruvabis lo. Fakte, >multa cientisti montras ke ekonomiala kresko >esas destruktanta nia planeto.. Ni ne bezonas >ekonomial kresko. Ma ni bezonas plu racionoza >ekonomio. La nuna ekonomikisti nur des-helpas >ni. Pro to li nomizesas "ekonomIKisti", ka no? >EkonomIKo esas maladeso. Des-amikale salutas, >Petrus Semblas ke vu lektis libro pri Marx DUMMKOPF e konstatis kelko, ma "regretinde" ne la Tanakh. Genezo 3 Esas nur la frukto del arboro en la centro dil gardeno ta quan ni devas ne manjar. A ni dicis (la) Deo ke ni devas ne manjar olu, mem tushar olu, altre (en l'altra kazi) ni certe mortos. Ed ad Adam, (la) Deo dicis: Pro ke tu askoltis tua spozino e manjis la frukto kontre l'averto mea, me maledikas la tero. Dum ke tu vivas, tu destinesas multe sudorifar por vivar sur olu. ------------------- Nun Petrus TOTTENUS dicabas ke lu ne manjis la frukto, quon ni ya ne bezonas por nia planeto. Do BYT konsilas a vu prefere livar Japonia kun la frukto di Eva (vivo-donanto) por habitar en Nov-Guinea sen da-vu-odiata e saporoza frukto. BYT prizas lektar Marcus Aurelius (121-180) ma lu ne povas evaluar Marx DUMMKOPF (1818-1883). Marcus-Aureliusale salutas, BYT la huzpoza* .. ---------------------------------------------- Adio! Sincere vua/via/tua - Bebson Y. TAKATA - Idisto ed Idiotisto pro mea limitizita edukado ed anke Ido-Kavaliero e shinko-aktoro fola che Teatro FilozofiAChala di Hucpoz Zen-DaoismACho Ido-Skolo : NovAlfabeto di la linguo Esperanto http://groups.yahoo.com/group/idoskolo/ http://www.geocities.com/bebsonido/ http://www.geocities.com/novalfabeto/ ---------------------------------------------- From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 7012 Return-Path: X-Sender: ido.info@chello.nl X-Apparently-To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_4); 28 Sep 2002 22:40:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 98597 invoked from network); 28 Sep 2002 22:40:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Sep 2002 22:40:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO amsfep15-int.chello.nl) (213.46.243.28) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Sep 2002 22:40:04 -0000 Received: from stuifbergen ([24.132.24.215]) by amsfep15-int.chello.nl (InterMail vM.5.01.03.06 201-253-122-118-106-20010523) with SMTP id <20020928224003.LLZA1436.amsfep15-int.chello.nl@stuifbergen> for ; Sun, 29 Sep 2002 00:40:03 +0200 Message-ID: <007a01c26740$41cb3700$d7188418@a2000.nl> To: References: <20020926233753.85425.qmail@web12507.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [ido] Kordiego g Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2002 00:41:59 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "Hans Stuifbergen" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=22974939 X-Yahoo-Profile: ido_info Kara Petro, Danko pro la komplimenti. La Kordiego g. es pagebla per omna pekunio, kondicione ke es bilieti. Do, anke Yen. Saluti amikala, Hans St. -- nova: ARTHUR RIMBAUD, biografio, 75 pag., 3,50 euri http://www.angelfire.com/id/Avance/TiaListo1.html IDO, LA LINGUO INTERNACIONA http://members.tripod.com/~avancigado http://www.idolinguo.com/ Ido, linguo neutra inter diferanta kulturi ----- Oorspronkelijk bericht ----- Van: "Peter totten" Aan: Verzonden: vrijdag 27 september 2002 1:37 Onderwerp: [ido] Kordiego g > Kara sioro Hans Stuifbergen, > > Hodie me recevis specimeno di Kordiego g. Ol es tre > interesanta e me volus abonar, ma quale sendor pekunio > a vu nun? Me audis de Frank ke Japoniana yeni ne plus > es bonvenata en Europa. Ka me sendez Usana dolari? > Quantin me sendez? > > Kordiegale salutas, > Petrus > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Everything you'll ever need on one web page > from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts > http://uk.my.yahoo.com > > > Ido, linguo neutra inter diferanta kulturi. Linguo di amikeso! > > http://www.idolinguo.com > > Anuncez vua partopreno en la solena internaciona Ido-renkontro okazione dil 150ma naskodio di l'Ido-pioniro Wilhelm Ostwald dum la tempo dil 08ma til 11ma di agostoo 2003 en la Wilhelm-Ostwald-Memoreyo en Grossbothen che Leipzig (Germania! > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 7013 Return-Path: X-Sender: dongasper2@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_4); 29 Sep 2002 05:49:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 86463 invoked from network); 29 Sep 2002 05:49:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Sep 2002 05:49:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web40503.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.78.120) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Sep 2002 05:49:21 -0000 Message-ID: <20020929054921.64949.qmail@web40503.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [203.186.14.12] by web40503.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 28 Sep 2002 22:49:21 PDT Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 22:49:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [ido] Prizentar ido ad esperantisti - disipado di energio? To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <3D94A353.AAD69199@telia.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Donald Gasper X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=118145963 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Saluto, Celle! Me esas kontenta ke tu kontributas tua pensi anke ad ica listo. Interesus me saveskar qua aspekti di ca interesanta [ne "interesa"] linguo, segun tua opiniono, prizentas solvuri amuzanta {itere, ne "amuza"] ek linguala [ne "lingua"] vidpunto. Voluntez donar kelka exempli. Tua amiko, Don Kjell Rehnstrom skribis:Persone me lernas ido, ne nam me pensas ke ol es plu bona kam esperanto o interlingua ma nam ol es tre interesa linguo e in kelka aspekti prezentas solvi qua es tre amuza ek lingua vidpunkto. On devas pensar de la aferi ke es tipa por ido e parlar de oli ad la publiko. Kjell R --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 7014 Return-Path: X-Sender: mtw@birdseye.view.net.au X-Apparently-To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_4); 29 Sep 2002 06:31:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 31491 invoked from network); 29 Sep 2002 06:31:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Sep 2002 06:31:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chameleon.view.net.au) (203.87.111.154) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Sep 2002 06:31:56 -0000 Received: from chameleon.view.net.au (mtw@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chameleon.view.net.au (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g8T6VrqN001080 for ; Sun, 29 Sep 2002 16:01:53 +0930 Received: from localhost (mtw@localhost) by chameleon.view.net.au (8.12.2/8.12.2/Submit) with ESMTP id g8T6Vr25001077 for ; Sun, 29 Sep 2002 16:01:53 +0930 X-Authentication-Warning: chameleon.view.net.au: mtw owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2002 16:01:53 +0930 (CST) X-X-Sender: mtw@chameleon.view.net.au To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ido] Prizentar ido ad esperantisti - disipado di energio? In-Reply-To: <20020929054921.64949.qmail@web40503.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Michael Talbot-Wilson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=8823137 Kara Kjell/Cellus/Chel/Celle, Ta esis vu, unesme, qua uzis plu internaciona formo (Cellus) di vua nomo. De la multa formi on vidas ke "Kjell" esas tote ne-internaciona, do omni esforcas trovar plu bona nomo por vu. Ma forsan Don uzis la vokativo di Cellus. Et tu, Celle? Posible Cellus esas la maxim bona formo por Interlingua, a Chel por Ido. Ka vu konkordas? De ube venis "Kjell"? Quon signifikas vua nomo? Amikale, Michael Talbot-Wilson From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 7015 Return-Path: X-Sender: cellus@telia.com X-Apparently-To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_4); 29 Sep 2002 17:04:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 1926 invoked from network); 29 Sep 2002 17:04:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Sep 2002 17:04:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailb.telia.com) (194.22.194.6) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Sep 2002 17:04:25 -0000 Received: from d1o913.telia.com (d1o913.telia.com [195.252.44.241]) by mailb.telia.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8TH4OYk027199 for ; Sun, 29 Sep 2002 19:04:24 +0200 (CEST) X-Original-Recipient: Received: from telia.com (h167n2fls21o913.telia.com [213.65.172.167]) by d1o913.telia.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA22335 for ; Sun, 29 Sep 2002 19:04:23 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <3D973301.72145826@telia.com> Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2002 19:06:09 +0200 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: sv,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ido] Prizentar ido ad esperantisti - disipado di energio? References: <20020929054921.64949.qmail@web40503.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Kjell Rehnstrom X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=28747247 Donald Gasper wrote: > Saluto, Celle! > Me esas kontenta ke tu kontributas tua pensi anke ad ica listo. > Interesus me saveskar qua aspekti di ca interesanta [ne "interesa"] linguo, segun tua opiniono, prizentas solvuri amuzanta {itere, ne "amuza"] ek linguala [ne "lingua"] vidpunto. > Voluntez donar kelka exempli. > Tua amiko, > Don Amuzanta solvuri es segun me la -a- kom multiplikatoro en la numerali kin-a-dek. E la ipsa -ur- in "solvuro". Me suponas "lektar, lekturo"! Me vidis "federuro". Ico donas speciala gusto al linguo. Me anke joyis formi kom "vidabis". E me esperas ke me dicis ke me tre prizas la "Detaloza gramatiko" nam on povas vidar la racioni pro ica o ita deciduro. Ah, interesante, me ne povas savi ka "deciduro, decido o decidago" es korekta. In ta kazo on devas konsultar un vortolibro. Me povas tote honeste dicar ke me tre prizas la skribsistemo. Ido ne kreas problemi por la uzanto de komputero. To es granda avantajo ad la linguo. Kjell R From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 7016 Return-Path: X-Sender: cellus@telia.com X-Apparently-To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_4); 29 Sep 2002 17:59:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 5335 invoked from network); 29 Sep 2002 17:59:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Sep 2002 17:59:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO maild.telia.com) (194.22.190.101) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Sep 2002 17:59:16 -0000 Received: from d1o913.telia.com (d1o913.telia.com [195.252.44.241]) by maild.telia.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8THxFV1019972 for ; Sun, 29 Sep 2002 19:59:15 +0200 (CEST) X-Original-Recipient: Received: from telia.com (h167n2fls21o913.telia.com [213.65.172.167]) by d1o913.telia.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA14070 for ; Sun, 29 Sep 2002 19:59:15 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <3D973FDF.61994FF@telia.com> Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2002 20:01:03 +0200 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: sv,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ido] Prizentar ido ad esperantisti - disipado di energio? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Kjell Rehnstrom X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=28747247 Michael Talbot-Wilson wrote: > Kara Kjell/Cellus/Chel/Celle, > > Ta esis vu, unesme, qua uzis plu internaciona formo (Cellus) di vua > nomo. De la multa formi on vidas ke "Kjell" esas tote > ne-internaciona, do omni esforcas trovar plu bona nomo por vu. Ma > forsan Don uzis la vokativo di Cellus. Et tu, Celle? Adminime Chel es preske la korekta pronunco. Kjell es norvega nomo, ma ol uzesas anke in Suedia. Me audis diversa interpreturi: kjell povas signifar "marmito" o "helmo, kasko". Sekve, Kjell es "la marmitoportulo, o la helmoportulo." o "la helmulo, la marmitulo". (Poloniani povas pronuncar la nomo kom "Siel" e to es tote korekta!) Kjell R From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 7017 Return-Path: X-Sender: ido.info@chello.nl X-Apparently-To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_4); 29 Sep 2002 20:07:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 69488 invoked from network); 29 Sep 2002 20:07:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Sep 2002 20:07:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO amsfep11-int.chello.nl) (213.46.243.20) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Sep 2002 20:07:34 -0000 Received: from stuifbergen ([24.132.24.215]) by amsfep11-int.chello.nl (InterMail vM.5.01.03.06 201-253-122-118-106-20010523) with SMTP id <20020929200733.TDHK1314.amsfep11-int.chello.nl@stuifbergen>; Sun, 29 Sep 2002 22:07:33 +0200 Message-ID: <00b001c267f4$1f4e46e0$d7188418@a2000.nl> To: "idolisto" Cc: Subject: voluntez tradukar Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2002 22:09:30 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "Hans Stuifbergen" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=22974939 X-Yahoo-Profile: ido_info Kara amiki, Por artiklo me prizas la traduko di ca frazo Germana (o forsan: Austriana): "Dees k�nnens, de Ausl�nder: den gaunzn Tog herumstrawanzen und faulenzen!! 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Danko, Saluti amikala, Hans St. -- nova: ARTHUR RIMBAUD, biografio, 75 pag., 3,50 euri http://www.angelfire.com/id/Avance/TiaListo1.html IDO, LA LINGUO INTERNACIONA http://members.tripod.com/~avancigado http://www.idolinguo.com/ Ido, linguo neutra inter diferanta kulturi From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 7018 Return-Path: X-Sender: mtw@birdseye.view.net.au X-Apparently-To: idolisto@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_4); 30 Sep 2002 03:31:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 58648 invoked from network); 30 Sep 2002 03:31:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Sep 2002 03:31:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chameleon.view.net.au) (203.87.111.154) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Sep 2002 03:31:48 -0000 Received: from chameleon.view.net.au (mtw@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chameleon.view.net.au (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g8U3VkP6000975 for ; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 13:01:46 +0930 Received: from localhost (mtw@localhost) by chameleon.view.net.au (8.12.2/8.12.2/Submit) with ESMTP id g8U3VjOI000972 for ; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 13:01:46 +0930 X-Authentication-Warning: chameleon.view.net.au: mtw owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 13:01:45 +0930 (CST) X-X-Sender: mtw@chameleon.view.net.au To: Ido Listo Subject: Re: [linguo] Amoro e gwaro* (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Michael Talbot-Wilson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=8823137 De la abundanta ed admirinda eruditeso di Carlo Nardini, demonstrita ye 2002-09-29 19:40 +0200, on saveskas: > "an old saw hath bin, faith's breach for love and kingdoms is no sin" (John > Marston, Angla satiristo e dramatifisto, 1575-1634) Ma anke, un ek nia moderna skribisti skribis: > Or linguo internaciono, por ke ol povas esar facile komprenata ed > uzata da populi ek larje diferanta kustumi di expresado, mustas esar > fondita, ne sur uzado arbitriala, ma sur la logiko, sur ordinara > sajeso... Tradukez la penso di la frazeto, ne la nura vorti. "Quale > vu facas?", "Me venos ica dio semano", "Me asistos vu", "En la okuli > di la lego", NE juste tradukas "How do you do?", "I will come this day > week", "I will assist you", "In the eyes of the law". Onu mustas > analizar sua penso. Kande vu renkontras desfacila frazo, uzez vua > ordinara sajeso. Certigas ke vu uzez la Ido radiko ed afixo qui maxim > simple, klare ed exakte expresas vua intenco. Ektranchez la > prolixeso. Uzez kurta frazi. Exter konkordeso kun la poka simpla > reguli gramatikala di Ido, on povas dicar ke la probo pri korekta Ido > tradukado esas: (1) ke la tradukuro esas komprenebla da omna populi > [nacioni]; (2) ke ol exakte expresas la penso di la originalajo. --Luther H. Dyer, 1924 De kande Dyer skribis, forsan, la klichuri di la Europana lingui voyajis inter oli e tradukis su vortope. Ma restas ke Ido mustas esar mondolinguo, ne nur Europana linguo. Amikale, Michael Talbot-Wilson -- Lu dispersis le superba kordie. Lu destronizis la potenti ed elevis la humili. La hungrantin Lu plenigis de bonaji e la richin Lu forigis indijanta. -- Por abonar kresko sendez 'subscribe' a . From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 7019 Return-Path: X-Sender: mtw@birdseye.view.net.au X-Apparently-To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_4); 30 Sep 2002 04:01:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 16804 invoked from network); 30 Sep 2002 04:01:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Sep 2002 04:01:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chameleon.view.net.au) (203.87.111.154) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Sep 2002 04:01:49 -0000 Received: from chameleon.view.net.au (mtw@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chameleon.view.net.au (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g8U41kP6001085 for ; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 13:31:47 +0930 Received: from localhost (mtw@localhost) by chameleon.view.net.au (8.12.2/8.12.2/Submit) with ESMTP id g8U41kUO001082 for ; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 13:31:46 +0930 X-Authentication-Warning: chameleon.view.net.au: mtw owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 13:31:46 +0930 (CST) X-X-Sender: mtw@chameleon.view.net.au To: Ido Listo Subject: Re: [ido] Re: [linguo] Amoro e gwaro* (fwd) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Michael Talbot-Wilson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=8823137 Ye 2002-09-30 13:01 +0930, Michael Talbot-Wilson skribis: > > ordinara sajeso. Certigas ke vu uzez la Ido radiko ed afixo qui maxim > > simple, klare ed exakte expresas vua intenco. Ektranchez la Me devis skribar "Certigez", ka ne? Me intencis, "igez certa", ne "esas certigata". From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 7020 Return-Path: X-Sender: cellus@telia.com X-Apparently-To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_4); 30 Sep 2002 05:01:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 23442 invoked from network); 30 Sep 2002 05:01:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Sep 2002 05:01:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO maild.telia.com) (194.22.190.101) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Sep 2002 05:01:25 -0000 Received: from d1o913.telia.com (d1o913.telia.com [195.252.44.241]) by maild.telia.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8U51PV1015354 for ; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 07:01:25 +0200 (CEST) X-Original-Recipient: Received: from telia.com (h167n2fls21o913.telia.com [213.65.172.167]) by d1o913.telia.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA04293 for ; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 07:01:24 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <3D97DB11.DDE050A3@telia.com> Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 07:03:13 +0200 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: sv,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ido] voluntez tradukar References: <00b001c267f4$1f4e46e0$d7188418@a2000.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Kjell Rehnstrom X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=28747247 Hans Stuifbergen wrote: > Kara amiki, > > Por artiklo me prizas la traduko= di ca frazo Germana (o forsan: Austriana): > > "Dees k=F6nnens, de Ausl=E4= nder: den gaunzn Tog herumstrawanzen und faulenzen!! > No dazu auf unserem= Kosten!!" To memorigas me pri epizodo kande me esis en autobuso e ebriulo= , certe vivanta de la kosti de la societo, dicis: "Me es impostopaganto, e = me ne volas ke on pigras per mea moneo!" Desirante bona jorno! a toti Kje= ll R From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 7021 Return-Path: X-Sender: cellus@telia.com X-Apparently-To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_4); 30 Sep 2002 06:36:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 50525 invoked from network); 30 Sep 2002 06:36:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Sep 2002 06:36:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailf.telia.com) (194.22.194.25) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Sep 2002 06:36:03 -0000 Received: from d1o913.telia.com (d1o913.telia.com [195.252.44.241]) by mailf.telia.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8U6a2KI018895 for ; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 08:36:02 +0200 (CEST) X-Original-Recipient: Received: from telia.com (h167n2fls21o913.telia.com [213.65.172.167]) by d1o913.telia.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA27112 for ; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 08:36:01 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <3D97F13F.E9D33737@telia.com> Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 08:37:51 +0200 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: sv,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ido] Re: [linguo] Amoro e gwaro* (fwd) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Kjell Rehnstrom X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=28747247 Michael Talbot-Wilson wrote: > De la abundanta ed admirinda eruditeso di Carlo Nardini, demonstrita > ye 2002-09-29 19:40 +0200, on saveskas: > > > "an old saw hath bin, faith's breach for love and kingdoms is no sin" (John > > Marston, Angla satiristo e dramatifisto, 1575-1634) Ni havas grandega trezoro de tradukerori facita de skol-lernanti, tradukante en e ek la germana e la angla lingui. To es tre elementala afero. Kjell R From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 7022 Return-Path: X-Sender: guenter.anton@idolinguo.de X-Apparently-To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_4); 30 Sep 2002 10:14:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 28586 invoked from network); 30 Sep 2002 10:14:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Sep 2002 10:14:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO moutvdom.kundenserver.de) (195.20.224.130) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Sep 2002 10:14:36 -0000 Received: from [195.20.224.206] (helo=mrvdomng.kundenserver.de) by moutvdom.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17vxZT-00012s-00 for idolisto@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 12:14:35 +0200 Received: from [213.6.253.50] (helo=oemcomputer) by mrvdomng.kundenserver.de with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17vxZR-0005XK-00 for idolisto@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 12:14:34 +0200 Message-ID: <005a01c2686c$7d33d220$32fd06d5@oemcomputer> To: References: <3D8A1DD8.778DAC0@telia.com> <007701c26310$8147fb40$24d906d5@oemcomputer> <3D94A353.AAD69199@telia.com> Subject: Re: [ido] Prizenti ido ad esperantisti - disipado di energio? Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 12:08:28 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?G=FCnter_Anton?= X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=23539196 Kara Kjell, atencoze me lektis vua recenta mesajo pri la temo"Prizentar Ido ad esperantisti ...". Me anke saveskis l�opiniono di nia belga amiko Jacques Bol pri ca temo. Esas fakto ke ne poka homi qui interesas ed informas su pri Ido ja audis o lektis ulo pri Esperanto (ne tam ofte pri Interlingua). Por respondizar lia questiono, pro quo altra linguo kam Esperanto, on mustas montrar a li la avantaji di Ido e tale kritikar Esp-o. Do, ni ne povas propagar abstrakta interlinguo o nur la ideo, no, ni propagas konkrete Ido. Tamen ni aspiras pacala ed individuale mem amikala relati kun adheranti di altra sistemi interlingual. Me joyas ke vu lernas Ido e volunte me kurajigas vu durar lo sucesoze. Ankore nun en vua texti esas linguala erori, ma co chanjos per progresanta studiado e praktiko. Tre kordiale G�nter Anton From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 7023 Return-Path: X-Sender: bebson@k3.dion.ne.jp X-Apparently-To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_4); 30 Sep 2002 13:31:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 23067 invoked from network); 30 Sep 2002 13:31:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Sep 2002 13:31:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO kfep02.dion.ne.jp) (203.181.105.164) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Sep 2002 13:31:23 -0000 Received: from Ido ([218.222.49.209]) by kfep02.dion.ne.jp with SMTP id <20020930133120857.IWDU@kfep02.dion.ne.jp> for ; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 22:31:20 +0900 X-My-Real-Login-Name: a377322940; mail.k3.dion.ne.jp MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Denshin 8 Go V32.1.3.1; sp2 Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 22:32:32 +0900 To: IdoListo Subject: Re: voluntez tradukar Message-Id: <20020930133120857.IWDU@kfep02.dion.ne.jp> From: "Bebson Y. TAKATA" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=94318719 X-Yahoo-Profile: idiotisto ============================================== Sro Hans STUIFBERGEN: pigra?(Esp) -> indolenta ============================================== >Kara amiki, >Por artiklo me prizas(volas?) la tradukuro di >ca frazo Germana (o forsan: Austriana): >"Dees koennens, de Auslaender: den gaunzn Tog >herumstrawanzen und faulenzen!! >No dazu auf unserem Kosten!!" >Predanko por via respondi, >Saluti amikala/expektanta, Hans St. Forsan BYT mis-komprenas ma audacas tradukar. Tala ruzachaji di ca exter-landani(stranjeri)! La tota dio li male audacas nauzeaji omunube o facadas indolentaji. Nun ma sur nia imposturi. ---------------------------------------------- Adio! Sincere vua/via/tua - Bebson Y. TAKATA - Idisto ed Idiotisto pro mea limitizita edukado ed anke Ido-Kavaliero e shinko-aktoro fola che Teatro FilozofiAChala di Hucpoz Zen-DaoismACho Ido-Skolo : NovAlfabeto di la linguo Esperanto http://groups.yahoo.com/group/idoskolo/ http://www.geocities.com/bebsonido/ http://www.geocities.com/novalfabeto/ ---------------------------------------------- From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 7024 Return-Path: X-Sender: bebson@k3.dion.ne.jp X-Apparently-To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_4); 30 Sep 2002 14:05:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 80878 invoked from network); 30 Sep 2002 14:05:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Sep 2002 14:05:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO kfep01.dion.ne.jp) (203.181.105.163) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Sep 2002 14:05:11 -0000 Received: from Ido ([218.222.49.209]) by kfep01.dion.ne.jp with SMTP id <20020930140508415.IUBE@kfep01.dion.ne.jp> for ; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 23:05:08 +0900 X-My-Real-Login-Name: a377322940; mail.k3.dion.ne.jp MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Denshin 8 Go V32.1.3.1; sp2 Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 23:06:16 +0900 To: IdoListo Subject: Ido del influo di/da Interlingua Message-Id: <20020930140508415.IUBE@kfep01.dion.ne.jp> From: "Bebson Y. TAKATA" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=94318719 X-Yahoo-Profile: idiotisto ============================================== Sro Kjell(Chel) REHNSTROM: Quante vu nun evas? ============================================== )Kara amiki, )Por artiklo me prizas(volas?) la tradukuro di )ca frazo Germana (o forsan: Austriana): ) )"Dees koennens, de Auslaender: den gaunzn Tog )herumstrawanzen und faulenzen!! )No dazu auf unserem Kosten!!" ) )Predanko por via respondi, )Saluti amikala/expektanta, Hans St. >To memorigas me pri epizodo kande me esis en >autobuso e ebriulo, certe vivanta de la kosti >de la societo, dicis: "Me es impostopaganto, >e me ne volas ke on pigras per mea moneo!" > >Desirante bona jorno! a toti, Kjell R ]To memorigas da me pri epizodo kande me esis ]en autobuso kun ebriulo, certe vivanta de la ]kusti (ne kOsti) da/di la soci[et]o, dicis: ]"Me esas imposto-paganto, e me ne volas ke on ]esez indolenta per mea pekunio (ne moneo)!" ] ]Dezirante bona jorno! ad omni, Kjell/Chel R. Pardonez me pliz* ma quante "hazarde" vu evas? Forsan Ido esas poke desfacila por vu. Me evas 54 e bezonis 2 yari por facile uzar la linguo. ---------------------------------------------- Adio! Sincere vua/via/tua - Bebson Y. TAKATA - Idisto ed Idiotisto pro mea limitizita edukado ed anke Ido-Kavaliero e shinko-aktoro fola che Teatro FilozofiAChala di Hucpoz Zen-DaoismACho Ido-Skolo : NovAlfabeto di la linguo Esperanto http://groups.yahoo.com/group/idoskolo/ http://www.geocities.com/bebsonido/ http://www.geocities.com/novalfabeto/ ---------------------------------------------- From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 7025 Return-Path: X-Sender: cellus@telia.com X-Apparently-To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_4); 30 Sep 2002 14:57:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 82696 invoked from network); 30 Sep 2002 14:57:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Sep 2002 14:57:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailf.telia.com) (194.22.194.25) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Sep 2002 14:57:37 -0000 Received: from d1o913.telia.com (d1o913.telia.com [195.252.44.241]) by mailf.telia.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8UEva71011053 for ; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 16:57:36 +0200 (CEST) X-Original-Recipient: Received: from telia.com (h167n2fls21o913.telia.com [213.65.172.167]) by d1o913.telia.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA28480 for ; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 16:57:36 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <3D9866CB.11E687E0@telia.com> Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 16:59:24 +0200 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: sv,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ido] Prizenti ido ad esperantisti - disipado di energio? References: <3D8A1DD8.778DAC0@telia.com> <007701c26310$8147fb40$24d906d5@oemcomputer> <3D94A353.AAD69199@telia.com> <005a01c2686c$7d33d220$32fd06d5@oemcomputer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Kjell Rehnstrom X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=28747247 G=FCnter Anton wrote: > Kara Kjell, > > atencoze me lektis vua recenta me= sajo pri la temo"Prizentar Ido ad > esperantisti ...". Me anke saveskis l= =B4opiniono di nia belga amiko Jacques > Bol pri ca temo. Esas fakto ke ne = poka homi qui interesas ed informas su pri > Ido ja audis o lektis ulo pri = Esperanto (ne tam ofte pri Interlingua). Me skribis kom me skribis de prop= ra experienco. Dum mea esperantista periodo me audis pri interlingua, ma ne= pensis ke ico es interesanta. Nur quande me vidis la interlingua-angla vor= tolibro en librovendeyo en Upsalia (Ka on devas uzar la latina nomi de loki= in Ido?) e kompris ol e legis texti en ica linguo me esis adtirita a la li= nguo. Quande le esperantisti audas de ido li venas ad ol sen ke on devas mi= sionar ad li, segun me. On devas substrekizar ke ido es interesanta varian= to de esperanto, ke ol es amuzanta linguo, ke es granda experienco por la e= sperantisti studiar su linguo-kuzo. Se ulo volas kurajigar me a studiar la= polona linguo arguenti ke ol es plu bona quam la sveda linguo ne havas gra= nda efekto! Ma se on dicas ke ol es interesa, bela, havas tre interesanta l= iteraturo, tande me povas esar interesata studiar ol. La interesantajo de = ido es ke homi facis linguo ke on fakte povas uzar! Ke on en la sama tempo = facas bona afero por la homa interkomrenizo es addona bonajo. Kjell R From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 7026 Return-Path: X-Sender: cellus@telia.com X-Apparently-To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_4); 30 Sep 2002 15:05:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 79683 invoked from network); 30 Sep 2002 15:05:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Sep 2002 15:05:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailc.telia.com) (194.22.190.4) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Sep 2002 15:05:18 -0000 Received: from d1o913.telia.com (d1o913.telia.com [195.252.44.241]) by mailc.telia.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8UF5Hk9004675 for ; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 17:05:17 +0200 (CEST) X-Original-Recipient: Received: from telia.com (h167n2fls21o913.telia.com [213.65.172.167]) by d1o913.telia.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA07205 for ; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 17:05:16 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <3D98689A.9B302C02@telia.com> Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 17:07:06 +0200 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: sv,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ido] Ido del influo di/da Interlingua References: <20020930140508415.IUBE@kfep01.dion.ne.jp> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Kjell Rehnstrom X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=28747247 "Bebson Y. TAKATA" wrote: > ============================================== > Sro Kjell(Chel) REHNSTROM: Quante vu nun evas? > ============================================== > )Kara amiki, > )Por artiklo me prizas(volas?) la tradukuro di > )ca frazo Germana (o forsan: Austriana): > ) > )"Dees koennens, de Auslaender: den gaunzn Tog > )herumstrawanzen und faulenzen!! > )No dazu auf unserem Kosten!!" > ) > )Predanko por via respondi, > )Saluti amikala/expektanta, Hans St. > > >To memorigas me pri epizodo kande me esis en > >autobuso e ebriulo, certe vivanta de la kosti > >de la societo, dicis: "Me es impostopaganto, > >e me ne volas ke on pigras per mea moneo!" > > > >Desirante bona jorno! a toti, Kjell R > > ]To memorigas da me pri epizodo kande me esis > ]en autobuso kun ebriulo, certe vivanta de la > ]kusti (ne kOsti) da/di la soci[et]o, dicis: > ]"Me esas imposto-paganto, e me ne volas ke on > ]esez indolenta per mea pekunio (ne moneo)!" > ] > ]Dezirante bona jorno! ad omni, Kjell/Chel R. > > Pardonez me pliz* ma quante "hazarde" vu evas? > Forsan Ido esas poke desfacila por vu. Me evas > 54 e bezonis 2 yari por facile uzar la linguo. Me evas 64 e certe bezonos 4 yari por facile e senerore uzar la linguo! Me tre prizas vua helpo! Chel R From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 7027 Return-Path: X-Sender: kai.s.salvesen@operamail.com X-Apparently-To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_4); 30 Sep 2002 16:48:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 43377 invoked from network); 30 Sep 2002 16:48:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Sep 2002 16:48:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ws5-1.us4.outblaze.com) (205.158.62.131) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Sep 2002 16:48:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 28198 invoked by uid 1001); 30 Sep 2002 16:47:59 -0000 Message-ID: <20020930164759.28197.qmail@operamail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Received: from [129.240.157.166] by ws5-1.us4.outblaze.com with http for kai.s.salvesen@operamail.com; Tue, 01 Oct 2002 00:47:59 +0800 To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Cc: kai.salvesen@operamail.com Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2002 00:47:59 +0800 Subject: La dekado e falo di Usa X-Originating-Server: ws5-1.us4.outblaze.com From: "Kai Salve Salvesen " X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=90384445 X-Yahoo-Profile: kaisalve2 Kar amiki! Por durar la recenta Usa-kontroverso... Ka vi konocas la teorii di Johan Galtung? Me recente asistis interesanta diskurso da lu, ube lu prizentis un de sua maxim famoza tezi. La diskurso havis la titulo sequanta: "La dekado e falo di Usa. Perspektivi pri futuro-resercho." Johan Galtung, ex-norvego e kosmopolito, es pac-reserchero (me supozas ke lu ipsa inventis la cienco "pac-resercho"!) kun profesoresi ye multa universitati tra la mondo. Tempope lu rivenas a sua nasko-lando ed atraktas centi de studenti a diskursi ye la universitato di Oslo. (La norvega studenti es reputale tre inerta e tre desvolunte iras a diskursi qui ne strikte relatas lia studii, do ke ulu atraktas centi de li a sufokiva audiotorio por askoltar expozo pri internaciona politiko, to es vere exterordinara. Lo multe debesas al famozeso ed ecentrikeso di Galtung, ma probable anke al karaktero di lua teorii ed idei, qui tre rare mencionesas en la amaskomunikili. Norvegia es tradicionale tre por-Usa-a, e Galtung, qua ofte kritikas l' exteral politiko di Usa, es konsiderata kom ul-sorta trahizero.) Nu, quo esas lua teorio? Pro quo lu pensas ke Usa (e precipue olua mondal imperio) krulos en plu o min proxima futuro? Lu konstruktas sua tezo sur sistemoza komparo dil dekado e falo di cirkum 30 imperii di pasinta tempi. To quon lu trovis es ke tala fali eventas (quaze infalible) kande la imperio en questiono esabas trublata dum kelka tempo da certena "kontredici" (Galtung uzas la vorto "contradiction", qua semblas signifikar ul-sorta konflikto). Imperio povas tolerar un o du grava "kontredici", ma tri o quar...: Lore l' imperio ne-eviteble krulas. (Galtung ne dicis quala kontredicin lu trovis che ca existinta imperii, ma lu supozeble skribis libro pri co, por ti qui eventuale interesesas.) En 1980 Galtung previdis la krulo dil Soviet-Uniono. La kontredici e konflikti interne en la Uniono e relate l' extero divenabis tam grandanombra e tam grava ke susteno dil imperio ne plus esis probabla. E Galtung esis tre akurata: "La Sovietal imperio probable ne plus existos pos 10 yari", lu dicis (e memorez: ankore ni es en 1980). En novembro 1989 (9 yari e kelka monati pose) falis la muro di Berlin. Granda triumfo dil futuro-resercho! La nombro de "kontredici" en la Soviet-Uniono esis sat granda; me ne memoras exakte quanta, ma ib' esis cirkum dek. La imperio di Usa es nia-tempe minacata da _dek e kin_! Do, ne-eviteble ol krulos plu o min balde. Me ne volas hike rezumar la expozo da Galtung, me mencionez nur to quo, segun Galtung, plu kam omno altra karakterizas la su-kompreno dil Usa-ani: li konsideras sua lando kom santa e su ipsa kom elektita da Deo. Li darfas facar omno quon li volas, nam etikale e yurale li superesas omni altra. On pov dicar ke li furtis la tezo dil judi. Ca su-kompreno anke es parto di un del maxim grava "kontredici" dil Usa-ana mond-imperio. On ya ne povas facile konciliar ca kompreno e diversa idei di altra populi, maxim notinde ti dil fundamentista islamisti. Ca ne-konciliebla mondo-percepti ja duktis a konflikti sangoza, quale ni savas. Ultre lo kulturala, Galtung vidas importoza kontredici anke en lo politikala, lo militala, lo ekonomiala e lo sociala. En singla de ta feldi lu vidas kontredici ye tri niveli: kontredici interna, kontredici relate l' extero e kontredici "inter mito e realo" (do: 5 feldi X 3 niveli = 15 kontredici). - Se me juste komprenis lo! (Lua expozo esis kelke konfuziva.) Plusa pruvo dil augural povi di Galtung: En la komenco di septembro 2001 (do kurte ante la 11-ma) lu interviuvesis en la televiziono. Lu dicis interaltre: "Me pensas ke Georges Bush juabas sua lasta longa someral vakanco"... Trublate, Kai S. Salvesen, Oslo PS: Por ti qui volas savar plu: vi probable trovos ulo che www.transcend.org. Ico omna memorigas da me la libri da Isaac Asimov pri "l' Imperio e la Fonduro". Ka Johan Galtung es nia nun-tempa Hari Seldon? :-) -- __________________________________________________________ Download the FREE Opera browser at www.opera.com/download/ Free OperaMail at http://www.operamail.com/ Powered by Outblaze From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 7028 Return-Path: X-Sender: cellus@telia.com X-Apparently-To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_4); 30 Sep 2002 17:17:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 79023 invoked from network); 30 Sep 2002 17:17:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Sep 2002 17:17:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailb.telia.com) (194.22.194.6) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Sep 2002 17:17:49 -0000 Received: from d1o913.telia.com (d1o913.telia.com [195.252.44.241]) by mailb.telia.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8UHHmT1005948 for ; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 19:17:49 +0200 (CEST) X-Original-Recipient: Received: from telia.com (h167n2fls21o913.telia.com [213.65.172.167]) by d1o913.telia.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA11807 for ; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 19:17:46 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <3D9887A8.31166D94@telia.com> Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 19:19:36 +0200 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: sv,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ido] La dekado e falo di Usa References: <20020930164759.28197.qmail@operamail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Kjell Rehnstrom X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=28747247 Kai Salve Salvesen wrote: > (...) > > PS: > Por ti qui volas savar plu: vi probable trovos ulo che www.transcend.org. > > Ico omna memorigas da me la libri da Isaac Asimov pri "l' Imperio e la Fonduro". Ka Johan Galtung es nia nun-tempa Hari Seldon? :-) Ma Hari Seldon askoltesis, e sempre quande on advenis ad seldona krizo on questionis li, ma ni ne havas galtunga krizi! :-) Me audis multa interviuvi kon Johan Galtung en la sveda radio. Il es unu-homa universitato kom le svedese Gunnar Adler-Carlsson qua ha su propri fundation. Ka Galtung skribis pri sua pensi ke il presentis in le prelekto? Kjell R From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 7029 Return-Path: X-Sender: idojc@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_4); 30 Sep 2002 17:37:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 94073 invoked from network); 30 Sep 2002 17:37:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Sep 2002 17:37:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.17.178) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Sep 2002 17:37:42 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 10:37:42 -0700 Received: from 195.92.67.66 by lw11fd.law11.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 17:37:42 GMT To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: La Kordiego g Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 17:37:42 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Sep 2002 17:37:42.0532 (UTC) FILETIME=[145E6440:01C268A8] From: "James Chandler" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=24528831 X-Yahoo-Profile: idojc Kar amiki Anke me jus recevis gratuita exemplero di la ristilizita revuo La Kordiego g. Me joyas pri ca nova revuo por libera penso pri socio, politiko e kulturo, e me opinionas ke l'unesma numero es tre sucesoza. L'unesma artiklo mencionas la teorio di Francis Fukuyama, qua interesante proklamis en 1989 (lor la falo di la Berlin-muro) la fino di historio. Segun il, liberala kapitalismo vinkis, ed olua regno duros. La subjekto dil artiklo, Benjamin Barber, opinionas ke la sola solvo di la problemo di usana kapitalismo es la demokratigo di la mondala sistemo di povo. Regretinde to es probable neposibla, nam ni savas ke la homaro ne es racionala speco. Kordiale, James Chandler idojc@hotmail.com http://www.geocities.com/idojc - IALs index http://www.geocities.com/idojc/yindex.html - Ido index "I come from a country which does not yet exist." - J. Craveirinha _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 7030 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsa@matrix.com.br X-Apparently-To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_4); 30 Sep 2002 18:30:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 98020 invoked from network); 30 Sep 2002 18:30:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Sep 2002 18:30:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.matrix.com.br) (200.196.28.4) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Sep 2002 18:30:29 -0000 Received: from oemcomputer1 (pad-70.fns.matrix.com.br [200.196.29.70]) by mx1.matrix.com.br (Postfix) with SMTP id 1155F1A7300 for ; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 15:30:27 -0300 (BRT) Message-ID: <001f01c268af$72e263c0$0903000a@matrix.com.br> To: References: <20020930133120857.IWDU@kfep02.dion.ne.jp> Subject: Re: [ido] Re: voluntez tradukar Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 15:30:26 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 From: "rsa" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83859101 X-Yahoo-Profile: herderbr Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Kara sioro Takata, "Ton la stranjeri savas ja facar dum la tota jorno: va= gadar (herumtreiben, herumdr=FCcken) ed indolentesar! Ma , ne per nia spen= si." Ka, yes? Kordiala saluti, Herder ----- Original Message -----= From: Bebson Y. TAKATA To: IdoListo Sent: Monday, September 30, 2= 002 10:32 AM Subject: [ido] Re: voluntez tradukar =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Sro Hans STUIFBERGEN: pigra= ?(Esp) -> indolenta =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D >Kara amiki, >Por artikl= o me prizas(volas?) la tradukuro di >ca frazo Germana (o forsan: Austrian= a): >"Dees koennen= s, de Auslaender: den gaunzn Tog >herumstrawanzen und faulenzen!! = >No dazu auf unserem Kosten!!" = >Predanko por via respondi, = >Saluti amikala/expektanta, Hans St. = Forsan BYT mis-komprenas ma audacas tradukar. = Tala ruzachaji di ca ex= ter-landani(stranjeri)! La tota dio li male audacas nauzeaji omunube o = facadas indolentaji. 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[Non-text portion= s of this message have been removed] From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 7031 Return-Path: X-Sender: eberhard.scholz@idolinguo.de X-Apparently-To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_4); 30 Sep 2002 18:36:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 12180 invoked from network); 30 Sep 2002 18:36:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Sep 2002 18:36:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO moutvdom.kundenserver.de) (195.20.224.131) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Sep 2002 18:36:25 -0000 Received: from [195.20.224.214] (helo=mrvdomng.kundenserver.de) by moutvdom.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17w5P6-0001Np-00 for idolisto@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 20:36:24 +0200 Received: from [213.6.158.101] (helo=oemcomputer) by mrvdomng.kundenserver.de with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17w5P5-0004mb-00 for idolisto@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 20:36:24 +0200 Message-ID: <000601c268b0$656beda0$659e06d5@oemcomputer> To: References: <00b001c267f4$1f4e46e0$d7188418@a2000.nl> Subject: Re: [ido] voluntez tradukar Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 20:35:44 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Eberhard Scholz" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=23339976 X-Yahoo-Profile: e_scholz2002 Kara Hans , yen mea probo , mea versiono quankam me ne konocas la austriana vorto "strawanzen". To, quon la exterlandani parfacas, esas flanachar ed indolentesar dum tota dio. Ultre to ankore per nia spensi. Amikale - Eberhard "Dees k�nnens, de Ausl�nder: den gaunzn Tog herumstrawanzen und faulenzen!! No dazu auf unserem Kosten!!" eberhard.scholz@idolinguo.de From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 7032 Return-Path: X-Sender: jeanmartignon@minitel.net X-Apparently-To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_4); 30 Sep 2002 20:21:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 25141 invoked from network); 30 Sep 2002 20:21:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Sep 2002 20:21:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp4-out.minitel.net) (193.252.91.37) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Sep 2002 20:21:15 -0000 Received: from gmvtx2 (gmailvtx2.globalmail.net [192.168.220.101]) by smtp4-out.minitel.net (Postfix) with SMTP id CCFA4A4; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 22:21:14 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from 67742370135 by minitel.net with X25; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 22:21:14 +0200 (METDST) To: "IDOSTAB" Cc: "IDOLISTO" , "Marion Kasper" , "Manfred Magin" , "IH" , "Yuri Shevchuk" Subject: Voyajo a Kreta MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <20020930202114.CCFA4A4@smtp4-out.minitel.net> Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 22:21:14 +0200 (MET DST) From: "JEAN MARTIGNON" Reply-To: jeanmartignon@minitel.net X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=22985400 :::-::: Pasintasemane me sejornis vakancale en Grekia en la insulo Kreta. = Me esis facinata da ica vakanco. Ni havis entote tre bela vetero (ecepte du= m la lasta du dii). Tre bela peizaji kun maro e montaro kune. Ni vizitis la= restaji dil palaci di Knossos. Ica palaci erektesis quaramil yari ante nun= , lor la bronzo-epoko,e kun tre mikra teknika moyeni la lore vivanta Kretan= i sucesis krear tre alta civilizo kun tre remarkinda artala nivelo. Icatemp= e, li anke juis balno-kuvi individuala e pos la falo dil Kretana civilizo, = on devos vartar til la XVIIIma yarcento en Europa por rihavar ica komforto.= Nia guidisti parolis a ni pri la historio di Kreta la legendi dil dei e pr= i la fakto ke Zevs, la rejo dil dei, naskabis en Kreta. La ortodoxa religio= esas anke tre forta en la lando e 97 procent de la Greki esas ortodoxa. Un= esmafoye en mea vivo, me vidis popo kom reala persono (e ne kom imajo o fil= mo-persono). Esis tre multa turisti exterlandana ibe, precipue Germana. Men= astonis vidar anke sat multa Rusi, malgre la ekonomiala desfacilaji di Rus= ia nunepoke. La Rusa prezenteso esas mem tre forta en Grekia, nam me vidis = pluraloke butiki kun Rusa (e ne Greka) literi. Anke existas Rusa jurnalo di= Grekia. Ol aparis recente. Me konjektas ke Rusia havas tre bona relati kun= Grekia pro la komuna ideologio-religio ortodoxa, qua multon plufaciligas p= or la relati inter amba landi. Ma anke e precipue, Grekia esas probable moy= eno por enirigar Europana Uniono celite a Rusia. En Kreta on parolas la Gr= eka linguo sub formo di dialekto. Germano qua vivas ibe depos dek yari e sa= vas bone la Greka dicis a me ke la Kretani e la kontinentala Greki interkom= prenas same desfacile kam la Bavariani e la lojanti di Hamburg. Quankam me = savas poke la Greka, me konstatis ke la Kretani havas aparta forta acento. = E.g. li prononcas la viro-nomo Stavros kom Stavro, nome li desaparigas la d= ezinenco -s. La vorto polis (urbo) prononcesas : pulis da li. Se existas mu= lta tala diferi lia Greka esas certe desfacile komprenebla. L'anciena chef= urbo Khania (kh por indikar sono simila a la Hispana jota o la Germana Ach-= laut) esas tre agreabla e charmiva urbo kun splendida restaji dil epoko kan= de la Venezziani dominacis Kreta. Me povus durar tale dum hori, ma me esas= fatigata pro mea voyajo ed intencas irar a lito. Me anke intencas redaktar= artiklo en venonta numero di LETRO INTERNACIONA, pri mea sejorno en Kreta.= Ico esis splendida voyajo. Amikale. JM :::-::: From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 7033 Return-Path: X-Sender: mtw@birdseye.view.net.au X-Apparently-To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_4); 1 Oct 2002 01:08:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 50983 invoked from network); 1 Oct 2002 01:08:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Oct 2002 01:08:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chameleon.view.net.au) (203.87.111.154) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Oct 2002 01:08:29 -0000 Received: from chameleon.view.net.au (mtw@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chameleon.view.net.au (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g9118DI6001576; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 10:38:13 +0930 Received: from localhost (mtw@localhost) by chameleon.view.net.au (8.12.2/8.12.2/Submit) with ESMTP id g9118CJa001573; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 10:38:13 +0930 X-Authentication-Warning: chameleon.view.net.au: mtw owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 10:38:12 +0930 (CST) X-X-Sender: mtw@chameleon.view.net.au To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Cc: kai.salvesen@operamail.com Subject: Re: [ido] La dekado e falo di Usa In-Reply-To: <20020930164759.28197.qmail@operamail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Michael Talbot-Wilson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=8823137 Ye 2002-10-01 00:47 +0800, Kai Salve Salvesen skribis: > ... > co, por ti qui eventuale interesesas.) En 1980 Galtung previdis la > krulo dil Soviet-Uniono. La kontredici e konflikti interne en la Ta postulis nula genio. Semblis klara a multi en 1980 ke la sistemo di ta Uniono esas falonta. Nur on regretas quon ni lore ne povis predicar, ke la Uniono ipsa (se me konjektas juste, pro Yeltsin, ta bovulo en la porcelan-butiko) desagregos. A me la maxim forta signo esis ke en ta yaro 1980 me povis e facis komprar personala komputoro (TRS-80). Lo esis lore posibla pro libera merkato en Usa qua ja ipsa inventis ed ofris plura tipi de "komputoro sur un spano". Ne esis la armeo kom ula sekreta projeto, ma nur la merkato per multa libera agi. Existis nulo korespondanta en la SSSR e do ibe li nule povis fabrikar mem un tala "komputoro sur un spano" (quan ni nun nomas mikrega-procedilo, microprocessor). Esis evidenta ke la Sovieta sistemo ja komplete faliis. > ... > la su-kompreno dil Usa-ani: li konsideras sua lando kom santa e su > ipsa kom elektita da Deo. Li darfas facar omno quon li volas, nam > etikale e yurale li superesas omni altra. On pov dicar ke li furtis > la tezo dil judi. Ca su-kompreno anke es parto di un del maxim grava > "kontredici" dil Usa-ana mond-imperio. On ya ne povas facile > konciliar ca kompreno e diversa idei di altra populi, maxim notinde > ti dil fundamentista islamisti. Ca ne-konciliebla mondo-percepti ja Semblas a me du aferi. La islamo, religio di milito, transvivis dum multa yarcenti exter la moderna mondo e nun mustas konfrontar ol ed o destruktar ol od esar destruktata. Milito nun eventas, ulalatere per pafado, altralatere per migrado, e ni ne povas previdar la fino. Ma ica afero ne esas de esenca konfliki inter la Usana imperio. > duktis a konflikti sangoza, quale ni savas. Ultre lo kulturala, > Galtung vidas importoza kontredici anke en lo politikala, lo > militala, lo ekonomiala e lo sociala. En singla de ta feldi lu ! > vidas kontredici ye tri niveli: kontredici interna, kontredici > relate l' extero e kontredici "inter mito e realo" (do: 5 feldi X 3 > niveli = 15 kontredici). - Se me juste komprenis lo! (Lua expozo > esis kelke konfuziva.) La nombro semblas a me min grava kam la tipo. La exemplo pri la SSSR montras tre serioza kontredico. Do ne esas certa (segun me, ne esas fakta), ke Usa nun esas ye plu mala stando kam la SSSR en 1980. > Plusa pruvo dil augural povi di Galtung: En la komenco di septembro > 2001 (do kurte ante la 11-ma) lu interviuvesis en la televiziono. Lu > dicis interaltre: "Me pensas ke Georges Bush juabas sua lasta longa > someral vakanco"... Il nun parolas pri la demento en Irak, ma on plu juste povas dicar pri la demento en Washington. Saddam esas tre maligna ma anke tre inteligenta. Ni ne pensez ke nia enemiko esas fola! Ma ni ne joyez pri ula vera, balda, rapida falado di Usa. Lo esus malega evento qua postulus la morto di dekamilioni de homi. Plu bone, internaciona sistemo kreskos paceme, e divenos plu grava e richa kam Usa sen ke Usa atakos ol, e fine Usa adjuntos su ad ol. Amikale, Michael Talbot-Wilson -- Lu dispersis le superba kordie. Lu destronizis la potenti ed elevis la humili. La hungrantin Lu plenigis de bonaji e la richin Lu forigis indijanta. -- Por abonar kresko sendez 'subscribe' a . From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 7034 Return-Path: X-Sender: idojc@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_4); 1 Oct 2002 17:52:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 23565 invoked from network); 1 Oct 2002 17:52:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Oct 2002 17:52:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.17.129) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Oct 2002 17:52:43 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 10:52:43 -0700 Received: from 195.92.198.74 by lw11fd.law11.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 01 Oct 2002 17:52:42 GMT To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Popul-konto 2001 Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2002 17:52:42 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Oct 2002 17:52:43.0082 (UTC) FILETIME=[578D2AA0:01C26973] From: "James Chandler" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=24528831 X-Yahoo-Profile: idojc Kar amiki On jus anuncis la rezulti di la granda popul-konto di 2001 en Britania. La precipua rezulto es ke en 2001, esis cirkume 58.8 milion homi (min kam on expektis) en la lando. On sendis formuli ad omna hemo en la lando, e kolektis 94% di oli. La restanta 6% esis estimata per altra reserchi, tale ke la rezulti es tre preciza. Altra statistiko es ke en 2001 unesmafoye esis plu multa oldi kam pueri: 20% di britani evis min kam 16 yari, dum ke 21% evis plu kam 60 yari. La populo es do oldeskanta. Lo maxim stranja es ke on 'perdis' 900.000 yuna viri depos la lasta konto (en 1991). On explikas to precipue per ekmigrado, exemple a vakanco-loki quale Ibiza (Hispania). Kordiale, James Chandler idojc@hotmail.com http://www.geocities.com/idojc - IALs index http://www.geocities.com/idojc/yindex.html - Ido index "I come from a country which does not yet exist." - J. Craveirinha _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 7035 Return-Path: X-Sender: idojc@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_4); 1 Oct 2002 17:59:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 15942 invoked from network); 1 Oct 2002 17:59:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Oct 2002 17:59:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.17.59) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Oct 2002 17:59:25 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 10:59:25 -0700 Received: from 195.92.67.68 by lw11fd.law11.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 01 Oct 2002 17:59:23 GMT To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Unesma trafiko-tarifo en Britania Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2002 17:59:23 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Oct 2002 17:59:25.0370 (UTC) FILETIME=[475571A0:01C26974] From: "James Chandler" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=24528831 X-Yahoo-Profile: idojc Kar amiki Hodie komencis la unesma trafiko-tarifo en Britania, en la urbo Durham (en la nordala parto di Anglia). On decidis limitizar la nombro di vehili eniranta la centro dil anciena urbo, por diminutar la kaosala trafiko e protektar ica situo di Mondala Heredajo cirkum la katedro. Omna vehilo povas enirar gratuite l'urbo, ma por ekirar du pundi es nun pagenda. Se la probo sucesos, simila tarifi esos enduktata en altra urbi, exemple Manchester, Leeds e London. Kordiale, James Chandler idojc@hotmail.com http://www.geocities.com/idojc - IALs index http://www.geocities.com/idojc/yindex.html - Ido index "I come from a country which does not yet exist." - J. Craveirinha _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 7036 Return-Path: X-Sender: cellus@telia.com X-Apparently-To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_4); 1 Oct 2002 18:36:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 7963 invoked from network); 1 Oct 2002 18:30:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Oct 2002 18:30:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO maild.telia.com) (194.22.190.101) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Oct 2002 18:30:44 -0000 Received: from d1o913.telia.com (d1o913.telia.com [195.252.44.241]) by maild.telia.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g91IUhgs013671 for ; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 20:30:43 +0200 (CEST) X-Original-Recipient: Received: from telia.com (h167n2fls21o913.telia.com [213.65.172.167]) by d1o913.telia.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA11179 for ; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 20:30:42 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <3D99EA43.B473106B@telia.com> Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2002 20:32:35 +0200 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: sv,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ido] Unesma trafiko-tarifo en Britania References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Kjell Rehnstrom X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=28747247 James Chandler wrote: > On decidis limitizar la nombro di vehili > eniranta la centro dil anciena urbo, por diminutar la kaosala trafiko e > protektar ica situo di Mondala Heredajo cirkum la katedro. Omna vehilo > povas enirar gratuite l'urbo, ma por ekirar du pundi es nun pagenda. Hike in Svedia on probas timidigar la homi enear la urbi per vehili per tre alta pagi por parkigado. Kjell R From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 7037 Return-Path: X-Sender: frank.kasper@idolinguo.de X-Apparently-To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_4); 1 Oct 2002 18:51:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 98295 invoked from network); 1 Oct 2002 18:48:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Oct 2002 18:48:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO moutvdom.kundenserver.de) (195.20.224.130) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Oct 2002 18:48:50 -0000 Received: from [195.20.224.220] (helo=mrvdomng.kundenserver.de) by moutvdom.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17wS4V-00005A-00; Tue, 01 Oct 2002 20:48:39 +0200 Received: from [212.114.234.165] (helo=privataoerzkq7) by mrvdomng.kundenserver.de with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17wS4V-0007W7-00; Tue, 01 Oct 2002 20:48:39 +0200 Message-ID: <001c01c2697b$26c82520$fd54fea9@privataoerzkq7> To: "Ingrid Suprayan" , "Robert Pontnau" , "Marion Kasper" , "Manfred Magin" , "Mailingliste Kresko" , "Mailingliste Germanlinguaidist" , "Mailingliste Idostab" , "Mailingliste Idolisto" Subject: Preci por la sejorni dum l'internaciona Ido-renkontro 2003 en Grossbothen Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 20:46:52 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 From: "Frank Kasper" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=22974940 X-Yahoo-Profile: fkasper2002 Kara amiki! Me volas sequar a prego da Kerstin Akerlund saveskigar vi pri = la preci dil sejorni en la Wilhelm-Ostwald-Memoreyo en Grossbothen. La pre= ci kun dejuneto esas: un-lito-chambro kun dejuneto: 34 EURO po persono e n= okto du-liti-chambro: 26 EURO po persono e nokto (entote 52 EURO po chambr= o e nokto) . La memoreyo entote havas 15 unlita e 10 dulita chambri. Me t= am balde kam posible kreas anunc-folieto e pozos ol aden la interreto. Samt= empe ol publikesos en un de la sequanta numeri dil "PROGRESO" . La datin = dil Ido-renkontro la membri dil "Idolisto" e "Germanlinguaidist" povos lekt= ar sub omna mesajo a ca listi. Me ja nun joyas rividar o konoceskar multi = da vi okazione dil Ido-renkontro 2003 en Grossbothen, qua eventas kadre de = la jubilea programo di la Wilhelm-Ostwald-Societo okazione dil 150a naskodi= o dil Ido-pioniro Wilhelm Ostwald. Kordiala saluti a vi omni Frank Kasper= organizanto dil jubilea Ido-renkontro 2003 frank.kasper@idolinguo.de From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 7038 Return-Path: X-Sender: jeanmartignon@minitel.net X-Apparently-To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_4); 1 Oct 2002 20:09:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 64292 invoked from network); 1 Oct 2002 20:06:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Oct 2002 20:06:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp4-out.minitel.net) (193.252.91.37) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Oct 2002 20:06:01 -0000 Received: from gmvtx2 (gmailvtx2.globalmail.net [192.168.220.101]) by smtp4-out.minitel.net (Postfix) with SMTP id A481A8A; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 22:06:00 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from 67742370135 by minitel.net with X25; Tue, 01 Oct 2002 22:06:00 +0200 (METDST) To: "IDOSTAB" Cc: "IDOLISTO" , "Marion Kasper" , "Manfred Magin" Subject: Anekdoto MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <20021001200600.A481A8A@smtp4-out.minitel.net> Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 22:06:00 +0200 (MET DST) From: "JEAN MARTIGNON" Reply-To: jeanmartignon@minitel.net X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=22985400 :::-::: Me pregas mea lekteri pardonar a me la nepublikigo di "diala jurna= leto" cadie, nam me mustis pasar la tota vespero por serchar grava objekti = (inter altri chekaro) quin me pozis en sekura loko ante departar vakance, m= a me ne plus memoris ica loko. Tandem pos longa serchado me ritrovis la dez= irata objekti ma me ne povis redakt=3D ar la jurnaleto, nam esis tro tarda.= Vice to, me volas raportar a vi anekdoto. Dum mea sejorno en Grekia, me in= terparolis kun Germano qua lojas ibe depos dek yari e konocas bone la Greka= e la Greki. Il naracis a me ulo qua povus esar joko od aparta formo di hum= uro, nome ulfoye la komonestro di urbo Delfi dicis : Delfi esas la centro d= i Grekia (pro lua pagana orakli e kulto olim ibe) e Grekia esas la centro d= il mondo, konseque me esas la komonestro dil centro dil mondo. La Greki esa= s tre modesta homi, kad ne ? JM :::-::: From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 7039 Return-Path: X-Sender: kai.s.salvesen@operamail.com X-Apparently-To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_4); 2 Oct 2002 17:09:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 43546 invoked from network); 2 Oct 2002 17:08:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Oct 2002 17:08:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mta1-3.us4.outblaze.com) (205.158.62.44) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Oct 2002 17:08:41 -0000 Received: from ws5-1.us4.outblaze.com (205-158-62-131.outblaze.com [205.158.62.131]) by mta1-3.us4.outblaze.com (8.12.3/8.12.3/us4-srs) with SMTP id g92H88QR020107 for ; Wed, 2 Oct 2002 17:08:08 GMT Received: (qmail 9239 invoked by uid 1001); 2 Oct 2002 17:08:37 -0000 Message-ID: <20021002170837.9238.qmail@operamail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Received: from [129.240.157.161] by ws5-1.us4.outblaze.com with http for kai.s.salvesen@operamail.com; Thu, 03 Oct 2002 01:08:37 +0800 To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2002 01:08:37 +0800 Subject: Re: [ido] La dekado e falo di Usa X-Originating-Server: ws5-1.us4.outblaze.com From: "Kai Salve Salvesen " X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=90384445 X-Yahoo-Profile: kaisalve2 Danko a Michael e Kjell pro valoroza komenti. Pri Usa e l' islamana mondo Micheal skribis: > Ma ica afero ne esas de esenca konfliki > inter la Usana imperio. Segun Galtung, komprenar la Usa-ana kulturo (qua esas, itere segun Galtung, forte influita da kristana fundamentismo) es necesa por komprenar la konduto di ca lando en omn altra feldi (lo politikala, lo militala, lo ekonomiala...). Do la su-kompreno dil Usa-ani ne nur kreas konflikti inter Usa e l' islamana mondo, ma anke inter Usa ed omn altri. (Exemple inter Usa ed Europa!) Pri la 15 kontredici (me nun komprenabas ke Galtung parolas pri nur 14, ma to ne importas) vu skribis: > La nombro semblas a me min grava kam la tipo. > La exemplo pri la SSSR montras tre serioza > kontredico.� Do ne esas certa (segun me, ne > esas fakta), ke Usa nun esas ye plu mala stando > kam la SSSR en 1980. Kredeble e probable vu es justa. E, advere, Galtung anke donas ad Usa-ana imperio ne dek ma 20-25 yari de plua existo... :-) (Lu dicis to en la radio hiere, ad astonita intervuivanto.) Ma serioze, anke me ne kredas to quon Galtung dicas. Galtung certe facis importanta laboro en la feldo di "pac-resercho", ma en la feldo di "futuro-resercho" lu semblas nur spekular (e ton omni darfas facar, sen necese esar ciencisto). Vu anke dicis ke vu ne esperas balda krulo di Usa; to esus > ... malega evento qua postulus la morto di > dekamilioni de homi.� Plu bone, internaciona > sistemo kreskos paceme, e divenos plu grava e > richa kam Usa sen ke Usa atakos ol, e fine Usa > adjuntos su ad ol. Me tote konkordas kun vu. E supozeble anke Galtung konkordas, nam lu sempre insistas ke lu amas Usa e ke lua skopo es avan omno apelar pri raciono a pensiva e moderema homi omnube en la mondo. Kjell skribis: > Ma Hari Seldon askoltesis, e sempre quande > on advenis ad seldona krizo on questionis li, > ma ni ne havas galtunga krizi! :-) Yes, Seldon askoltesis, ma ne en la komenco. Nu, Galtung-ala krizi... Ka Galtung ja enregistris (se to es la justa vorto) bona konsili en formo di hologrami por prizento en ul audiotorio ye la universitato di Oslo pos 100 o 500 yari lor ula krizo? Nulu savas. Ma ni esperez ke on ne mustos fidar nur Galtung por solvar ta krizi! :-) > Ka Galtung skribis pri sua pensi ke il presentis > in le prelekto? Supozeble. Ma me ne savas. Ma nun me ja tro multo skribis pri Galtung. Me esperas ke me ne ofensis uli en la proceso... Kai Salvesen -- __________________________________________________________ Download the FREE Opera browser at www.opera.com/download/ Free OperaMail at http://www.operamail.com/ Powered by Outblaze From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 7040 Return-Path: X-Sender: jeanmartignon@minitel.net X-Apparently-To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_4); 2 Oct 2002 19:50:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 29392 invoked from network); 2 Oct 2002 19:50:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Oct 2002 19:50:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp4-out.minitel.net) (193.252.91.37) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Oct 2002 19:50:52 -0000 Received: from gmvtx2 (gmailvtx2.globalmail.net [192.168.220.101]) by smtp4-out.minitel.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 1C0249B; Wed, 2 Oct 2002 21:50:51 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from 69343370435 by minitel.net with X25; Wed, 02 Oct 2002 21:50:51 +0200 (METDST) To: "IDOSTAB" Cc: "IDOLISTO" , "Marion Kasper" , "Manfred Magin" , "IH" , "CEZARO" Subject: Diala jurnaleto (02.X.02) Merkurdie MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <20021002195051.1C0249B@smtp4-out.minitel.net> Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 21:50:51 +0200 (MET DST) From: "JEAN MARTIGNON" Reply-To: jeanmartignon@minitel.net X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=22985400 Me dankas Hans Stuifbergen pro lua redaktado di "diala jurnaleto" dum mea a= bsenteso. Il havis tre bon idei e duktis me a modifikar mea jurnaleto. Yen = nova prizento : Dio di santa Legerus DIO-PROVERBO :- Arboro krakanta vent= on ne timas. VETERO :- Grizeta e kelkete sunoza vetero, cajorne, en Franci= lia. Koncize:- UN rezistas a la volo da Usa - Metroo(*)-striko en London -= Horori=3D giva mortigo en Germania. -------------------------------------= --- GLOBO :- UN opozas su a Washington -----------------------------------= ----- UN refuzis, hiere, advoko da Usa por ajornar la retroveno dal expert= izisti pri senarmigo en Irak. "Ni esas la teknika organo pri inspekto dil S= ekureso-Konsilantaro e ni prenos nia instrucioni de la Konsilantaro" deklar= is, hiere, reprezentantino dil experzisti en Wien, Melissa Fleming, respond= e al Usana statala sekretario Colin Powell. Ica laste nomita sugestabis, lu= ndie, ke l'inspektisti vartez nova texto dal Sekureso-Konsilantaro ante ret= rovenar a Irak pos quar yari de absenteso. -------------------------------= --------- ANGLIA :- Plusa dio sen metroo (*) en London -------------------= --------------------- La tri milion uzanti di la Londonana metroo (*) (sub= tera treno) itere vestizis lia pedi per marcho-shui pro ke la metroo-employ= ati votis favore a plusa striko-dio en la skopo obtenar salario-augmento. L= a preirinta striko, un semano ante nun, paralizabis ka chefurbo ube la traf= iko-stopi divenabis tre nombroza. Samatempe mili de municipala employati da= la Londonana urbodomo devis egardar laboro-halto duranta dum 24 hori. ---= ------------------------------------- GERMANIA :- La raptita puerulo trove= sis mortinta ---------------------------------------- La kadavro dil pueru= lo peskata en artificala lageto ye la nordesto de urbo Frankfurt esas vere = olta dil filiulo di Germana bankisto, evanta 11 yari, qua esis raptinta, ve= nerdie, en ita urbo. La supozata mortigero esas nun sub la kontrolo dal pol= icani ed esis prizentonta, mardie, a judiciisto, por akuzesor. Parolesus pr= i studento pri yuro-cienco, qua evas 27 yari, proximulo dil viktimo-familio= . La genitori pagis, lundie, ransono de un milion euri. ALTRA EVENTI :- En= Brazil (*), Lula la preferata kandidato finas lua elektala kampanio - La r= ebeli di Ivora Marbordo avancas vinkante - Komenco dil proceso dal faceri d= il atenti eventinta en 1995 en Paris. Kordiala saluti ad omni. JM :::-::= : From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 7041 Return-Path: X-Sender: bebson@k3.dion.ne.jp X-Apparently-To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_4); 2 Oct 2002 19:51:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 40213 invoked from network); 2 Oct 2002 19:51:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Oct 2002 19:51:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO kfep03.dion.ne.jp) (203.181.105.165) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Oct 2002 19:51:10 -0000 Received: from Ido ([218.222.69.170]) by kfep03.dion.ne.jp with SMTP id <20021002195106894.UHFC@kfep03.dion.ne.jp> for ; Thu, 3 Oct 2002 04:51:06 +0900 X-My-Real-Login-Name: a377322940; mail.k3.dion.ne.jp MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Denshin 8 Go V32.1.3.1; sp2 Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2002 04:52:19 +0900 To: IdoListo Subject: strawanzen = sich herumtreiben Message-Id: <20021002195106894.UHFC@kfep03.dion.ne.jp> From: "Bebson Y. TAKATA" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=94318719 X-Yahoo-Profile: idiotisto ============================================== Sro Sady RATAICHESK: sich herum-herum-treiben? ============================================== >"Dees koennens, de Auslaender: den gaunzn Tog >herumstrawanzen und faulenzen!! >No dazu auf unserem Kosten!!" ]Forsan BYT mis-komprenas ma audacas tradukar. ]Tala ruzachaji di ca exter-landani(stranjeri)! ]La tota dio li male audacas nauzeaji omunube o ]facadas indolentaji. Nun ma sur nia imposturi. >Kara sioro Takata, >"Ton la stranjeri savas ja facar dum la tota >jorno: vagadar (herumtreiben, herumdruecken) >ed indolentesar! Ma, lo ne esez per nia spensi." >Ka, yes? Kompreneble vu ya esas justa, forsan linguale. Semblas esar nur me hike, ta qua sempre prizas lektar ne-necesa implikajo del frazi ordinara. Ka "herumstrawanzen" simple signifikas flanar? Flan-ach-ar aspektas plu justa. Tamen quo esas exakte ca "ach"? Ibe me vidas Strafe e Wanzen. Exterlandani ne simple flanas ma sempre flanas facante nauzeaji a nia bona samlandani, ka No? Hike esas bona exemplo di "strawanzen" STROLCHI DER STREUNER Strolchi ist Daniels Hund. Er hat Strolchi schon seit fuenf Monate und drei Tagen. Daniel hat Strolchi so genannt, weil er immer strawanzen geht. Eines Tages war Strolchi weg und kam erst nach drei Tagen wieder. Der Bub nennt den Hund auch immer Strawanzer, weil er ja meistens weg ist. Eines Tages war Strolchi nicht weg - Daniel dachte, dass er krank ist. Die Mutter dachte aber, dass er ganz normal ist. Doch trotzdem riefen sie sicherheitshalber den Tierarzt an. Doktor Raptschik sagte: "Ihr Hund ist krank." Daniel war sehr besorgt um Strolchi. Aber sie hatten Glueck weil es nicht schlimm war. Der Doktor sagte, dass die Krankheit Staupe heisst. Daniels Mutter wollte wissen, ob die Krankheit wirklich nicht schlimm ist. Der Mann sagte, es konnte durchaus gefaehrlich fuer den Hund werden, aber bei ihrem glaube er, passiert nichts. Daniels Familie war sehr erleichtert, als sie das hoerten. Nach zwei Tagen war Strolchi der Streuner wieder gesund und konnte nun mit Daniel spielen. Jetzt geht Strolchi trotzdem noch strawanzen, aber er bleibt auch manche Tage bei Daniel. Daniel findet das Leben mit Strolchi jetzt schoner als vorher. Daniel weiss ganz genau, dass er keine Angst mehr haben braucht, wenn Strochi krank ist. Das war aber auch eine Lehre fuer Strolchi. Ihre Freundschaft wird nie zu Ende gehen! ---------------------------------------------- Adio! Sincere vua/via/tua - Bebson Y. TAKATA - Idisto ed Idiotisto pro mea limitizita edukado ed anke Ido-Kavaliero e shinko-aktoro fola che Teatro FilozofiAChala di Hucpoz Zen-DaoismACho Ido-Skolo : NovAlfabeto di la linguo Esperanto http://groups.yahoo.com/group/idoskolo/ http://www.geocities.com/bebsonido/ http://www.geocities.com/novalfabeto/ ---------------------------------------------- From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 7042 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsa@matrix.com.br X-Apparently-To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_4); 2 Oct 2002 21:50:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 20145 invoked from network); 2 Oct 2002 21:50:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Oct 2002 21:50:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.matrix.com.br) (200.196.28.4) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Oct 2002 21:50:29 -0000 Received: from oemcomputer1 (pad-70.fns.matrix.com.br [200.196.29.70]) by mx1.matrix.com.br (Postfix) with SMTP id B1D5B1A43C3 for ; Wed, 2 Oct 2002 18:50:27 -0300 (BRT) Message-ID: <000801c26a5d$b82db060$0903000a@matrix.com.br> To: References: <20021002195106894.UHFC@kfep03.dion.ne.jp> Subject: Re: [ido] strawanzen = sich herumtreiben Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 18:50:27 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 From: "rsa" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83859101 X-Yahoo-Profile: herderbr Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit BYT skribis: Ka "herumstrawanzen"simple signifikas flanar? Flanachar aspektas plu justa(...) Exterlandani ne simple flanas ma sempre flanas facante nauzeaji a nia samlandani, ka no?" Yes, "flanachar" semblas plu justa, me tote konkordas. Kordiala saluti, Herder From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 7043 Return-Path: X-Sender: kai.s.salvesen@operamail.com X-Apparently-To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_4); 3 Oct 2002 08:26:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 48080 invoked from network); 3 Oct 2002 08:26:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Oct 2002 08:26:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mta1-3.us4.outblaze.com) (205.158.62.44) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Oct 2002 08:26:00 -0000 Received: from ws5-1.us4.outblaze.com (205-158-62-131.outblaze.com [205.158.62.131]) by mta1-3.us4.outblaze.com (8.12.3/8.12.3/us4-srs) with SMTP id g938PVQR004395 for ; Thu, 3 Oct 2002 08:25:31 GMT Received: (qmail 15917 invoked by uid 1001); 3 Oct 2002 08:26:00 -0000 Message-ID: <20021003082600.15916.qmail@operamail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Received: from [129.240.157.167] by ws5-1.us4.outblaze.com with http for kai.s.salvesen@operamail.com; Thu, 03 Oct 2002 16:26:00 +0800 To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2002 16:26:00 +0800 Subject: Re: [ido] Popul-konto 2001 X-Originating-Server: ws5-1.us4.outblaze.com From: "Kai Salve Salvesen " X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=90384445 X-Yahoo-Profile: kaisalve2 James skribis: > On jus anuncis la rezulti di la granda > popul-konto di 2001 en Britania. ... Tre interesanta. Anke en Norvegia on facis popul-konto en 2001 (se me bone memoras). On ne plus facos tala konti, nam on nun ja havas tre bona registri kun multa informaji pri singla habitanto. Do, la stato savas omno pri ni, sen mustar kontar... Singla norvego es registragita kun personala numero en centrala "popul-registro", e semblas a me ke es nun-tempe tre facila kuplar informi del "popul-registro" kun informaji de omna-sorta altra registri. Nulu povas eskapar l' atenco dil autoritatozi... Pasante, multa refujinti e ne-legala enmigrinti fugas de Norvegia a Granda Britania, nam semblas a li plu facila "desaparar en l' amaso" ibe kam hike. Semblas do ke to es vera...? Kai -- __________________________________________________________ Download the FREE Opera browser at www.opera.com/download/ Free OperaMail at http://www.operamail.com/ Powered by Outblaze From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 7044 Return-Path: X-Sender: kai.s.salvesen@operamail.com X-Apparently-To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_4); 3 Oct 2002 08:36:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 76731 invoked from network); 3 Oct 2002 08:36:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Oct 2002 08:36:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ws5-2.us4.outblaze.com) (205.158.62.133) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Oct 2002 08:36:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 20128 invoked by uid 1001); 3 Oct 2002 08:36:01 -0000 Message-ID: <20021003083601.20127.qmail@operamail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Received: from [129.240.157.167] by ws5-3.us4.outblaze.com with http for kai.s.salvesen@operamail.com; Thu, 03 Oct 2002 16:36:01 +0800 To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2002 16:36:01 +0800 Subject: Re: [ido] Unesma trafiko-tarifo en Britania X-Originating-Server: ws5-3.us4.outblaze.com From: "Kai Salve Salvesen " X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=90384445 X-Yahoo-Profile: kaisalve2 James skribis: > Hodie komencis la unesma trafiko-tarifo en Britania, ... Ka l' unesma? Ho la la, quante exotika lando es Britania! :-) En Norvegia trafiko-tarifi es impozata a vehanti preske omnube. Ne precipue por protektar urbo-centri, ma por financizar voyo-konstrukti. Apene oportas dicar ke ico iritas multa norvegi... Kai -- __________________________________________________________ Download the FREE Opera browser at www.opera.com/download/ Free OperaMail at http://www.operamail.com/ Powered by Outblaze From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 7045 Return-Path: X-Sender: jeanmartignon@minitel.net X-Apparently-To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_4); 3 Oct 2002 21:19:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 22646 invoked from network); 3 Oct 2002 21:19:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Oct 2002 21:19:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp5-out.minitel.net) (193.252.91.38) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Oct 2002 21:19:34 -0000 Received: from gmvtx1 (gmailvtx1.globalmail.net [192.168.220.100]) by smtp5-out.minitel.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 68BA213694; Thu, 3 Oct 2002 23:19:33 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from 67726324435 by minitel.net with X25; Thu, 03 Oct 2002 23:19:33 +0200 (METDST) To: "IDOSTAB" Cc: "IDOLISTO" Subject: Traduko MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <20021003211933.68BA213694@smtp5-out.minitel.net> Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 23:19:33 +0200 (MET DST) From: "JEAN MARTIGNON" Reply-To: jeanmartignon@minitel.net X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=22985400 Kara sioro Takata, Vu savas multa lingui, kad vu povus dicar a me quon sig= nifikas proxime en la Greka : Horizoume gia panta ? Ico esas la titulo di = tre bela Greka kansono di Kreta. Predanko ed amikala saluti. JM :::-::: From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 7046 Return-Path: X-Sender: cellus@telia.com X-Apparently-To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_2_0); 4 Oct 2002 05:26:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 76167 invoked from network); 4 Oct 2002 05:26:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Oct 2002 05:26:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailc.telia.com) (194.22.190.4) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Oct 2002 05:26:16 -0000 Received: from d1o913.telia.com (d1o913.telia.com [195.252.44.241]) by mailc.telia.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g945QF0b021611 for ; Fri, 4 Oct 2002 07:26:15 +0200 (CEST) X-Original-Recipient: Received: from telia.com (h167n2fls21o913.telia.com [213.65.172.167]) by d1o913.telia.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA23368 for ; Fri, 4 Oct 2002 07:26:15 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <3D9D2676.DE69B560@telia.com> Date: Fri, 04 Oct 2002 07:26:34 +0200 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: sv,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ido Listan Subject: certa - sekura? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Kjell Rehnstrom X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=28747247 Me havas ica frazo en mea idolernolibro: Il ne esis tote _sekura_ kad ita b= esto esus urso o volfo. (Han var inte s=E4ker p=E5 om detta djur var en bj= =F6rn eller en varg). 1) Questiono: Kad la justa vorto ne devas esar "cert= a". Il esis sekura en la arbro, kande la volfo stacis sur la sulo. 2) Kad= on devas havar "-us" pos "kad"? Kad on ne povas dicar: "... kad ita besto = esas urso o volfo" o "...esis urso o volfo". La direkta questiono ya esas:= "Kad ita besto esas urso o volfo? Si tu parolas slavaj linguoj o la moder= na persa linguo la tempo en indirekta citajo es malfacila, nam on uzas la s= ama formo kiel en direkta dirajo. Do ka me povas dicar: Il ne esis certa k= a la besto esas urso o volfo? En la sveda ni havas degiga temposekvo en ta= la frazi: ...esis. kad .... esis. Kjell R From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 7047 Return-Path: X-Sender: mtw@birdseye.view.net.au X-Apparently-To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_2_0); 4 Oct 2002 07:47:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 93047 invoked from network); 4 Oct 2002 07:47:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Oct 2002 07:47:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chameleon.view.net.au) (203.87.111.154) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Oct 2002 07:47:04 -0000 Received: from chameleon.view.net.au (mtw@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chameleon.view.net.au (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g947l2tb004182 for ; Fri, 4 Oct 2002 17:17:02 +0930 Received: from localhost (mtw@localhost) by chameleon.view.net.au (8.12.2/8.12.2/Submit) with ESMTP id g947l1xP004179 for ; Fri, 4 Oct 2002 17:17:01 +0930 X-Authentication-Warning: chameleon.view.net.au: mtw owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 17:17:01 +0930 (CST) X-X-Sender: mtw@chameleon.view.net.au To: Ido Listan Subject: Re: [ido] certa - sekura? In-Reply-To: <3D9D2676.DE69B560@telia.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT From: Michael Talbot-Wilson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=8823137 Ye 2002-10-04 07:26 +0200, Kjell Rehnstrom skribis: > Me havas ica frazo en mea idolernolibro: > Il ne esis tote _sekura_ kad ita besto esus urso o > volfo. (Han var inte s�ker p� om detta djur var en > bj�rn eller en varg). > 1) Questiono: Kad la justa vorto ne devas esar > "certa". Nun me lektas en Dyer, e semblas de lu ke la justa vorto esas "sen-danjera" pri la situo, e "sekura" pri la persono. Do, pri "il", ol esas "sekura". Segun mea kompreno, "certa" esas nejusta. Ma esas du diferanta frazi. Forsan marchante lu vidis bestio. Il ne esis certa kad ita bestio esas urso o volfo. Ma ol nur povas esar la una o la altra, ed il esis certa ke, omnakaze, il lore ne esas tote sekura. Do, il ne esis tote sekura kad ita bestio esas/esus (?) urso o volfo. Yen mea esforco. Vu ya trovis desfacila question. > Il esis sekura en la arbro, kande la volfo stacis > sur la sulo. Baroka frazo. Il esis sekura en la arboro, pro ke la volfo, qua stacis sur la sulo, ne povis klimar la arboro. Vua frazo dicas a me, "dum ke la volfo ankore stacis sur la sulo, ne ja kliminta la arboro". > 2) Kad on devas havar "-us" pos "kad"? Kad on ne > povas dicar: "... kad ita besto esas urso o volfo" > o "...esis urso o volfo". Pri -us me havas granda desfacileso. Me lasas ad altru respondar. Me suspektas ke la Angla, qua uzas la simpla prezenta en plura diferanta kazi, ne guidas me bone. On devas konstatar ke "-us" esas kondicionala, ne subjuntiva, irgequa lo signifikas. Ma la Angla supresis la subjuntiva e uzas la simpla prezenta por la kondicionala: "If the bridegroom comes we will have a party." Ma anke, "If the bridegroom would come we would have a party". La duesma signifikas ke la fiancitulo refuzis venar, e ke, en altra circonstanci ye qui lu volus venar, lore ni povus festar. La unesma signifikas ke forsan hazarde ilu venos, e se do, lore ni festos. > La direkta questiono ya esas: "Kad ita besto esas > urso o volfo? Semblas ke vua experimentala metodo kelke mankas. Se lu klimis la arboro ma la bestio esis urso, quale lu pose skribis la raporto? (Hike me supozas quon me ne savas, ke la urso povas klimar la arboro tante bone kam la homo.) > Si tu parolas slavaj linguoj o la moderna persa > linguo la tempo en indirekta citajo es malfacila, > nam on uzas la sama formo kiel en direkta dirajo. Preske same en la Angla. "If he comes" uzas simpla prezenta, ma la veno nur povas esar futura. > Do ka me povas dicar: Il ne esis certa ka la besto > esas urso o volfo? Yes, se vu skribas "bestio". > En la sveda ni havas degiga temposekvo en tala > frazi: ...esis. kad .... esis. En la Angla: "He wasn't certain whether the animal WAS a bear or a wolf." En Ido: "Il ne esis certa ka la bestio ESAS urso o volfo." Me sentas ke "esus" esas erora. Ma omna co semblas baroka aspekto di Ido. Forsan me ne komprenas juste. Amikale, Michael Talbot-Wilson -- Lu dispersis le superba kordie. Lu destronizis la potenti ed elevis la humili. La hungrantin Lu plenigis de bonaji e la richin Lu forigis indijanta. -- Por abonar kresko sendez 'subscribe' a . From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 7048 Return-Path: X-Sender: idojc@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_2_0); 4 Oct 2002 08:55:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 58420 invoked from network); 4 Oct 2002 08:55:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Oct 2002 08:55:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.17.173) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Oct 2002 08:55:49 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 4 Oct 2002 01:55:48 -0700 Received: from 195.166.69.34 by lw11fd.law11.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 04 Oct 2002 08:55:47 GMT To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: [ido] Unesma trafiko-tarifo en Britania Date: Fri, 04 Oct 2002 08:55:47 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Oct 2002 08:55:48.0901 (UTC) FILETIME=[D5A47D50:01C26B83] From: "James Chandler" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=24528831 X-Yahoo-Profile: idojc Kai skribis: >Ka l' unesma? Ho la la, quante exotika lando es Britania! :-) > >En Norvegia trafiko-tarifi es impozata a vehanti preske omnube. Ne precipue >por protektar urbo-centri, ma por financizar voyo-konstrukti. Kompreneble ol ne es l'unesma automobil-tarifo, nam ni ja havas multa tala, exemple ye ponti e tuneli. La skopo di tala tarifi es nur obtenar pekunio por la guvernerio (me ne dicas 'por financizar simila projeti', nam la pekunio iras a la general kaso). La tarifo en Durham es l'unesma qua vizas nur diminutar la quanteso di trafiko en urbo-centro. Ico es forsan la fino di la regno dil automobilo en Britania depos la 1960a yari, kande unesmafoye omnu povis posedar automobilo, e duranta en la 'automobil-ekonomio' di Thatcher. Kordiale, James Chandler idojc@hotmail.com http://www.geocities.com/idojc - IALs index http://www.geocities.com/idojc/yindex.html - Ido index http://groups.yahoo.com/group/idolisto - Idolisto home "I come from a country which does not yet exist." - J. Craveirinha _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 7049 Return-Path: X-Sender: idojc@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_2_0); 4 Oct 2002 10:20:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 51255 invoked from network); 4 Oct 2002 10:20:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Oct 2002 10:20:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.17.55) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Oct 2002 10:20:52 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 4 Oct 2002 03:20:52 -0700 Received: from 195.166.69.34 by lw11fd.law11.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 04 Oct 2002 10:20:52 GMT To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: [ido] Popul-konto 2001 Date: Fri, 04 Oct 2002 10:20:52 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Oct 2002 10:20:52.0775 (UTC) FILETIME=[B7C9DB70:01C26B8F] From: "James Chandler" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=24528831 X-Yahoo-Profile: idojc Kai skribis: >Pasante, multa refujinti e ne-legala enmigrinti fugas de Norvegia a Granda >Britania, nam semblas a li plu facila "desaparar en l' amaso" ibe kam hike. >Semblas do ke to es vera...? Esas vera ke on explikas la kresko di la populo dum la 1990a yari precipue per enmigrado di azil-serchanti e migranti ekonomiala. Multa tala migranti venas de Francia per diversa voyi, exemple tra la Tunelo. La problemo es ke Britania es tre libera socio, un ek la maxim libera en la mondo. Ni refuzas omna esforci kompilar kompleta informo pri ni, exemple per identeso-karti, quin ni ne havas (ecepte en Europa). Britani instinte desfidas omna formi di autoritato, e co explikas pro quo nia stato-chefo havas poka reala povo, dum ke nia prima ministro povas esar remplasata da ni pos quar yari, e ne es la statestro dum ta periodo. La desavantajo di ca libereso, es ke irgu povas facilege 'desaparar' en Britania, sen lasar traci. Generale la guvernerio havas poka informo pri qui es en la lando, e to es la motivo por la konti singla dek yari, por ke la guvernerio povos projetar por la futura bezoni di la habitantaro. Kordiale, James Chandler idojc@hotmail.com http://www.geocities.com/idojc - IALs index http://www.geocities.com/idojc/yindex.html - Ido index http://groups.yahoo.com/group/idolisto - Idolisto home "I come from a country which does not yet exist." - J. Craveirinha _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 7050 Return-Path: X-Sender: ido.info@chello.nl X-Apparently-To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_2_0); 4 Oct 2002 11:53:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 53751 invoked from network); 4 Oct 2002 11:53:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Oct 2002 11:53:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO amsfep13-int.chello.nl) (213.46.243.24) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Oct 2002 11:53:06 -0000 Received: from stuifbergen ([24.132.24.215]) by amsfep13-int.chello.nl (InterMail vM.5.01.03.06 201-253-122-118-106-20010523) with SMTP id <20021004115305.JCBW2173.amsfep13-int.chello.nl@stuifbergen>; Fri, 4 Oct 2002 13:53:05 +0200 Message-ID: <008a01c26b9c$e500cba0$d7188418@a2000.nl> To: "idostab" Cc: "idolisto" Subject: Ivora Rivo Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 13:55:11 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "Hans Stuifbergen" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=22974939 X-Yahoo-Profile: ido_info Kara Jean, Ka ne esez 'Ivora Rivo'?. Vu sempre skribas 'Ivora Marbordo'. Me trovis 'Ivora Rivo' en 'dictionnaire Fran�aise-Ido' da de Beaufront e Couturat (riimprimita versiono, 2001). Saluti amikala, Hans St. -- nova: ARTHUR RIMBAUD, biografio, 75 pag., 3,50 euri http://www.angelfire.com/id/Avance/TiaListo1.html IDO, LA LINGUO INTERNACIONA http://members.tripod.com/~avancigado http://www.idolinguo.com/ Ido, linguo neutra inter diferanta kulturi From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 7051 Return-Path: X-Sender: mtw@birdseye.view.net.au X-Apparently-To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_2_0); 4 Oct 2002 13:08:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 11337 invoked from network); 4 Oct 2002 13:08:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Oct 2002 13:08:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chameleon.view.net.au) (203.87.111.154) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Oct 2002 13:08:21 -0000 Received: from chameleon.view.net.au (mtw@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chameleon.view.net.au (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g94D8I47000781; Fri, 4 Oct 2002 22:38:18 +0930 Received: from localhost (mtw@localhost) by chameleon.view.net.au (8.12.2/8.12.2/Submit) with ESMTP id g94D8IKL000778; Fri, 4 Oct 2002 22:38:18 +0930 X-Authentication-Warning: chameleon.view.net.au: mtw owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 22:38:18 +0930 (CST) X-X-Sender: mtw@chameleon.view.net.au To: idolisto Cc: idostab Subject: Re: [ido] Ivora Rivo In-Reply-To: <008a01c26b9c$e500cba0$d7188418@a2000.nl> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT From: Michael Talbot-Wilson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=8823137 Ye 2002-10-04 13:55 +0200, Hans Stuifbergen skribis: > Kara Jean, > > Ka ne esez 'Ivora Rivo'?. Vu sempre skribas 'Ivora Marbordo'. Me trovis > 'Ivora Rivo' en 'dictionnaire Fran�aise-Ido' da de Beaufront e Couturat > (riimprimita versiono, 2001). Mem do, me sentas ke marbordo esas plu justa. Ma la marbordo ne esas facita ek ivoro. Ol esas marbordo a qua on voyajis por kaptar ivoro. Do ol esas la Ivorala Marbordo. De la Ido-Angla vortaro di Dyer, "rivo" semblas esar ideo tro lokala. Ol ne (segun mea sento) signifikas granda geografia ento larja kam la maro. Amikale, Michael Talbot-Wilson -- Lu dispersis le superba kordie. Lu destronizis la potenti ed elevis la humili. La hungrantin Lu plenigis de bonaji e la richin Lu forigis indijanta. -- Por abonar kresko sendez 'subscribe' a . From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 7052 Return-Path: X-Sender: cellus@telia.com X-Apparently-To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_2_0); 4 Oct 2002 18:56:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 36480 invoked from network); 4 Oct 2002 18:53:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Oct 2002 18:53:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO maild.telia.com) (194.22.190.101) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Oct 2002 18:53:29 -0000 Received: from d1o913.telia.com (d1o913.telia.com [195.252.44.241]) by maild.telia.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g94IrSUL016286 for ; Fri, 4 Oct 2002 20:53:28 +0200 (CEST) X-Original-Recipient: Received: from telia.com (h167n2fls21o913.telia.com [213.65.172.167]) by d1o913.telia.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA17463 for ; Fri, 4 Oct 2002 20:53:27 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <3D9DE3A4.96F87D46@telia.com> Date: Fri, 04 Oct 2002 20:53:24 +0200 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: sv,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ido] Diala jurnaleto (02.X.02) Merkurdie References: <20021002195051.1C0249B@smtp4-out.minitel.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Kjell Rehnstrom X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=28747247 JEAN MARTIGNON wrote: > (...) > > GERMANIA :- La raptita puerulo trovesis > mortinta > ---------------------------------------- > > La kadavro dil puerulo peskata en > artificala lageto ye la nordesto de > urbo Frankfurt esas vere olta dil > filiulo di Germana bankisto, evanta > 11 yari, qua esis raptinta, venerdie, > en ita urbo. Ka il ne esis _raptita_. L'amiko dil familio esis raptinta il, ka ne? Es semper gaye vidi eroro che tale experiencita idisto quale tu! Es espero anke por me! Kjell R From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 7054 Return-Path: X-Sender: bebson@k3.dion.ne.jp X-Apparently-To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_2_0); 5 Oct 2002 02:04:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 47702 invoked from network); 5 Oct 2002 02:04:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Oct 2002 02:04:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO kfep08.dion.ne.jp) (203.181.105.170) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Oct 2002 02:04:31 -0000 Received: from Ido ([218.222.51.122]) by kfep08.dion.ne.jp with SMTP id <20021005020429362.OTOH@kfep08.dion.ne.jp>; Sat, 5 Oct 2002 11:04:29 +0900 X-My-Real-Login-Name: a377322940; mail.k3.dion.ne.jp MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Denshin 8 Go V32.1.3.1; sp2 Date: Sat, 05 Oct 2002 11:05:46 +0900 To: IdoListo , IdoStab Subject: "H?"orizume ya panda Message-Id: <20021005020429362.OTOH@kfep08.dion.ne.jp> From: "Bebson Y. TAKATA" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=94318719 X-Yahoo-Profile: idiotisto ============================================== Sro Jean MARTIGNON: Ma a la Greka mankas "h"! ============================================== >Kara sioro Takata, >Kad vu povus dicar a me quon signifikas >proxime en la Greka : Horizoume gia panta ? >Ico esas la titulo di tre bela Greka kansono >di Kreta. Dhen kaTAlava. Ti siMEni "horizume"? Quale en la Franca, anke a la Greka mankas la sono di "h". Do quale povus esar "h"orizume? Semblas a me: Ni "h?orizume"-as por sempre. ---------------------------------------------- Adio! Sincere vua/via/tua - Bebson Y. TAKATA - Idisto ed Idiotisto pro mea limitizita edukado ed anke Ido-Kavaliero e shinko-aktoro fola che Teatro FilozofiAChala di Hucpoz Zen-DaoismACho Ido-Skolo : NovAlfabeto di la linguo Esperanto http://groups.yahoo.com/group/idoskolo/ http://www.geocities.com/bebsonido/ http://www.geocities.com/novalfabeto/ ---------------------------------------------- From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 7055 Return-Path: X-Sender: cellus@telia.com X-Apparently-To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_2_0); 5 Oct 2002 09:54:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 57146 invoked from network); 5 Oct 2002 09:54:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Oct 2002 09:54:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailf.telia.com) (194.22.194.25) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Oct 2002 09:54:49 -0000 Received: from d1o913.telia.com (d1o913.telia.com [195.252.44.241]) by mailf.telia.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g959smRZ018648 for ; Sat, 5 Oct 2002 11:54:48 +0200 (CEST) X-Original-Recipient: Received: from telia.com (h167n2fls21o913.telia.com [213.65.172.167]) by d1o913.telia.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA23557 for ; Sat, 5 Oct 2002 11:54:48 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <3D9EB6E7.FE48DAFB@telia.com> Date: Sat, 05 Oct 2002 11:54:46 +0200 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: sv,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ido] "H?"orizume ya panda References: <20021005020429362.OTOH@kfep08.dion.ne.jp> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Kjell Rehnstrom X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=28747247 "Bebson Y. TAKATA" wrote: > ============================================== > Sro Jean MARTIGNON: Ma a la Greka mankas "h"! > ============================================== > >Kara sioro Takata, > >Kad vu povus dicar a me quon signifikas > >proxime en la Greka : Horizoume gia panta ? > >Ico esas la titulo di tre bela Greka kansono > >di Kreta. > > Dhen kaTAlava. Ti siMEni "horizume"? > Quale en la Franca, anke a la Greka mankas la > sono di "h". Do quale povus esar "h"orizume? > Semblas a me: Ni "h?orizume"-as por sempre. Pardonez mea mala ido! _horizume_ povas esar _'orizume_ ' es "spiritus asper" qua es egala a nia "h" en _'istoria_. Se ico es korekta trovas _orizo_ definar: bonvolez (quande on dona un kozo a irgulo). Ni invitas pro omno. Povas ico signifikar irgo? Se h = x = ch (germana ach-sono) do me ne komprenas. On devas konocar la greka linguo multe plu bone ke me por trovar bona solvo. Me tamen provis. Kjell R From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 7056 Return-Path: X-Sender: cellus@telia.com X-Apparently-To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_2_0); 5 Oct 2002 18:00:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 31451 invoked from network); 5 Oct 2002 18:00:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Oct 2002 18:00:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailf.telia.com) (194.22.194.25) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Oct 2002 18:00:05 -0000 Received: from d1o913.telia.com (d1o913.telia.com [195.252.44.241]) by mailf.telia.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g95I03RZ025628 for ; Sat, 5 Oct 2002 20:00:04 +0200 (CEST) X-Original-Recipient: Received: from telia.com (h167n2fls21o913.telia.com [213.65.172.167]) by d1o913.telia.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA28986 for ; Sat, 5 Oct 2002 20:00:02 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <3D9F28A1.5EF89156@telia.com> Date: Sat, 05 Oct 2002 20:00:00 +0200 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: sv,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ido] Unesma trafiko-tarifo en Britania References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Kjell Rehnstrom X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=28747247 James Chandler wrote: > La tarifo en Durham es l'unesma qua vizas nur dimi= nutar la quanteso di > trafiko en urbo-centro. Ico es forsan la fino di la= regno dil automobilo en > Britania depos la 1960a yari, kande unesmafoye o= mnu povis posedar > automobilo, e duranta en la 'automobil-ekonomio' di Tha= tcher. Socialdemokrati iris a la recenta voti protesante ke si li ganos la= povo li ne introduktos presopago por automobilisti en Stockholm. Ma quo ok= azis? Kande li ricevis la majoritato en Stockholm, li introduktis tala pagi= , e la guiderino dil socialdemokrati di Stockholm explikis ke "Tala promesi= validus nur sen i havus absoluta majoritato, plus kam 50 procenti dil voti= !" Dicis ico Annika Billstr=F6m. Memoriza el! El esos certe fama politikist= ino! Felice me ne havas auto e ne vivas en Stockholm! Me vivas en Uppsala= , la urbo de la internaciona lingui! Kjell R From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 7057 Return-Path: X-Sender: cellus@telia.com X-Apparently-To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_2_0); 5 Oct 2002 18:27:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 1678 invoked from network); 5 Oct 2002 18:27:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Oct 2002 18:27:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO maile.telia.com) (194.22.190.16) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Oct 2002 18:27:11 -0000 Received: from d1o913.telia.com (d1o913.telia.com [195.252.44.241]) by maile.telia.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g95IR9nO002743 for ; Sat, 5 Oct 2002 20:27:10 +0200 (CEST) X-Original-Recipient: Received: from telia.com (h167n2fls21o913.telia.com [213.65.172.167]) by d1o913.telia.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA21863 for ; Sat, 5 Oct 2002 20:27:09 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <3D9F2EFB.E59482DF@telia.com> Date: Sat, 05 Oct 2002 20:27:06 +0200 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: sv,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ido] Popul-konto 2001 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Kjell Rehnstrom X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=28747247 James Chandler wrote: > La problemo es ke Britania es tre libera socio, un ek la maxim libera en la > mondo. Ni refuzas omna esforci kompilar kompleta informo pri ni, exemple > per identeso-karti, quin ni ne havas (ecepte en Europa). Britani instinte > desfidas omna formi di autoritato, e co explikas pro quo nia stato-chefo > havas poka reala povo, dum ke nia prima ministro povas esar remplasata da ni > pos quar yari, e ne es la statestro dum ta periodo. > Ka la banki ne havas tre detala informo pri la populo? Me pensas ke ne necese devas esar la stato qua havas la informo, povas anke esar privata instanci. Kjell R From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 7058 Return-Path: X-Sender: cellus@telia.com X-Apparently-To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_2_0); 7 Oct 2002 17:48:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 11314 invoked from network); 7 Oct 2002 17:48:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Oct 2002 17:48:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailc.telia.com) (194.22.190.4) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Oct 2002 17:48:50 -0000 Received: from d1o913.telia.com (d1o913.telia.com [195.252.44.241]) by mailc.telia.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g97Hmndb014532 for ; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 19:48:49 +0200 (CEST) X-Original-Recipient: Received: from telia.com (h167n2fls21o913.telia.com [213.65.172.167]) by d1o913.telia.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA25073 for ; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 19:48:49 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <3DA1BB8E.8693E87A@telia.com> Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2002 18:51:26 +0200 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: sv,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ido Listan Subject: Quan? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Kjell Rehnstrom X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=28747247 Ka _quan_ povas anke esar predikativo? Me havas ica exemplo: Ka tu volas savar quan me esas? Es to korekta. Od an to es korekta: Ka tu volas savar qua me esas? Kjell R From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 7059 Return-Path: X-Sender: idolinguo@geocities.com X-Apparently-To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_2_0); 8 Oct 2002 03:27:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 16705 invoked from network); 8 Oct 2002 03:27:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Oct 2002 03:27:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.92) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Oct 2002 03:27:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.148] by n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Oct 2002 03:27:10 -0000 Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2002 03:27:07 -0000 To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Quan? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3DA1BB8E.8693E87A@telia.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 569 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "idolinguo" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=8764073 X-Yahoo-Profile: idolinguo Kara Kjell, Me ne es tre forta gramatike, tamen me povas asertar ke esas justa Ka tu volas savar qua me esas? Tamen, la akuzativo uzesas en sat simila frazo, ube transitiva verbo trovesas quale: Ka tu volas savar quon me manjis? Ka tu volas savar to quon me deziras? Ka tu volas savar la vereso, quan tua organizo esforcas celar de yardeki? Maxim amikale vun salutas Martin > Ka _quan_ povas anke esar predikativo? > Me havas ica exemplo: Ka tu volas savar quan me > esas? > Es to korekta. Od an to es korekta: > Ka tu volas savar qua me esas? > > Kjell R From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 7060 Return-Path: X-Sender: mtw@birdseye.view.net.au X-Apparently-To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_2_0); 8 Oct 2002 04:54:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 61579 invoked from network); 8 Oct 2002 04:54:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Oct 2002 04:54:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chameleon.view.net.au) (203.87.111.154) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Oct 2002 04:54:06 -0000 Received: from chameleon.view.net.au (mtw@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chameleon.view.net.au (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g984s4DB019140 for ; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 14:24:04 +0930 Received: from localhost (mtw@localhost) by chameleon.view.net.au (8.12.2/8.12.2/Submit) with ESMTP id g984s3aM019137 for ; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 14:24:03 +0930 X-Authentication-Warning: chameleon.view.net.au: mtw owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 14:24:03 +0930 (CST) X-X-Sender: mtw@chameleon.view.net.au To: Ido Listan Subject: Re: [ido] Quan? In-Reply-To: <3DA1BB8E.8693E87A@telia.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Michael Talbot-Wilson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=8823137 Ye 2002-10-07 18:51 +0200, Kjell Rehnstrom skribis: > Ka _quan_ povas anke esar predikativo? > Me havas ica exemplo: Ka tu volas savar quan me > esas? Ka tu volas savar quan me esas? Do you want to know who I am? > Es to korekta. Od an to es korekta: > Ka to esas justa. Od anke (altre), ka co esas justa: > Ka tu volas savar qua me esas? Do you want to know which is me? (Se me ipsa esas justa.) Amikale, Michael Talbot-Wilson -- Lu dispersis le superba kordie. Lu destronizis la potenti ed elevis la humili. La hungrantin Lu plenigis de bonaji e la richin Lu forigis indijanta. -- Por abonar kresko sendez 'subscribe' a . From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 7061 Return-Path: X-Sender: cellus@telia.com X-Apparently-To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_2_0); 8 Oct 2002 07:30:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 72935 invoked from network); 8 Oct 2002 07:30:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Oct 2002 07:30:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO maila.telia.com) (194.22.194.231) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Oct 2002 07:30:41 -0000 Received: from d1o913.telia.com (d1o913.telia.com [195.252.44.241]) by maila.telia.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g987UecZ008103 for ; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 09:30:40 +0200 (CEST) X-Original-Recipient: Received: from telia.com (h167n2fls21o913.telia.com [213.65.172.167]) by d1o913.telia.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA01069 for ; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 09:30:40 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <3DA289A0.3E1A0021@telia.com> Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2002 09:30:38 +0200 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: sv,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ido] Re: Quan? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Kjell Rehnstrom X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=28747247 idolinguo wrote: > Kara Kjell, > > Me ne es tre forta gramatike, tamen me povas asertar ke esas justa > > Ka tu volas savar qua me esas? > Danko pro la bona responso. Me kontrolis en la vortlibro e trovis ke qua povas esar e relativa e guestionala e temar de persono o obyekto. Me kredis ke es preseroro, didite ke me jam deskovris altri. Kjell R From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 7062 Return-Path: X-Sender: cellus@telia.com X-Apparently-To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_2_0); 8 Oct 2002 07:33:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 96734 invoked from network); 8 Oct 2002 07:33:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Oct 2002 07:33:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailb.telia.com) (194.22.194.6) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Oct 2002 07:33:23 -0000 Received: from d1o913.telia.com (d1o913.telia.com [195.252.44.241]) by mailb.telia.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g987XMr9027427 for ; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 09:33:22 +0200 (CEST) X-Original-Recipient: Received: from telia.com (h167n2fls21o913.telia.com [213.65.172.167]) by d1o913.telia.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA02216 for ; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 09:33:22 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <3DA28A42.C2827E21@telia.com> Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2002 09:33:20 +0200 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: sv,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ido] Quan? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Kjell Rehnstrom X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=28747247 Michael Talbot-Wilson wrote: > Ye 2002-10-07 18:51 +0200, Kjell Rehnstrom skribis: > > > Ka _quan_ povas anke esar predikativo? > > Me havas ica exemplo: Ka tu volas savar quan me > > esas? > > Ka tu volas savar quan me esas? > Do you want to know who I am? > > > Es to korekta. Od an to es korekta: > > Ka to esas justa. Od anke (altre), ka co esas justa: > > > Ka tu volas savar qua me esas? > Do you want to know which is me? > > (Se me ipsa esas justa.) Tre amuza interpreturo! Hahaha! Me amas to (kom on dicas en la angla linguo). Kjell R From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 7063 Return-Path: X-Sender: mtw@birdseye.view.net.au X-Apparently-To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_2_0); 8 Oct 2002 08:50:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 66383 invoked from network); 8 Oct 2002 08:50:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Oct 2002 08:50:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chameleon.view.net.au) (203.87.111.154) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Oct 2002 08:50:07 -0000 Received: from chameleon.view.net.au (mtw@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chameleon.view.net.au (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g988o5GB000453 for ; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 18:20:05 +0930 Received: from localhost (mtw@localhost) by chameleon.view.net.au (8.12.2/8.12.2/Submit) with ESMTP id g988o5wC000450 for ; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 18:20:05 +0930 X-Authentication-Warning: chameleon.view.net.au: mtw owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 18:20:04 +0930 (CST) X-X-Sender: mtw@chameleon.view.net.au To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ido] Quan? In-Reply-To: <3DA28A42.C2827E21@telia.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Michael Talbot-Wilson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=8823137 Ye 2002-10-08 09:33 +0200, Kjell Rehnstrom skribis: > Michael Talbot-Wilson wrote: > > > Ka tu volas savar quan me esas? > > Do you want to know who I am? > > > > > Ka tu volas savar qua me esas? > > Do you want to know which is me? > > > > (Se me ipsa esas justa.) > > Tre amuza interpreturo! Hahaha! interpreto Me esis serioza ed esforcis helpar segun mea kompreno. Pro quo vu ridas? Se me montras a vu anciena fotografuro di plura pueruli vu ne povas saveskar sen mea helpo qua me esas. --Michael Talbot-Wilson -- Lu dispersis le superba kordie. Lu destronizis la potenti ed elevis la humili. La hungrantin Lu plenigis de bonaji e la richin Lu forigis indijanta. -- Por abonar kresko sendez 'subscribe' a . From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 7064 Return-Path: X-Sender: cellus@telia.com X-Apparently-To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_2_0); 8 Oct 2002 15:42:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 54577 invoked from network); 8 Oct 2002 15:42:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Oct 2002 15:42:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO maile.telia.com) (194.22.190.16) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Oct 2002 15:42:58 -0000 Received: from d1o913.telia.com (d1o913.telia.com [195.252.44.241]) by maile.telia.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g98FgvaF011183 for ; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 17:42:57 +0200 (CEST) X-Original-Recipient: Received: from telia.com (h167n2fls21o913.telia.com [213.65.172.167]) by d1o913.telia.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA29730 for ; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 17:42:57 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <3DA2FD7F.528ABA4F@telia.com> Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2002 17:45:03 +0200 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: sv,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ido] Quan? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Kjell Rehnstrom X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=28747247 Michael Talbot-Wilson wrote: > Ye 2002-10-08 09:33 +0200, Kjell Rehnstrom skribis: > > > Michael Talbot-Wilson wrote: > > > > > Ka tu volas savar quan me esas? > > > Do you want to know who I am? > > > > > > > Ka tu volas savar qua me esas? > > > Do you want to know which is me? > > > > > > (Se me ipsa esas justa.) > > > > Tre amuza interpreturo! Hahaha! > > interpreto > > Me esis serioza ed esforcis helpar segun mea kompreno. Pro quo vu > ridas? Tua helpo esis tre bona. Me ridas nam tua tradukuro di "which is me" es tre bone trovata. Ol esis genia, nam me ne pensis ke on povus analizar la frazo tale. Me do ridis, nam la klarigo esis humuroza, espritoza e apta. Amikale Kjell R From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 7065 Return-Path: X-Sender: frank.kasper@idolinguo.de X-Apparently-To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_2_0); 8 Oct 2002 19:26:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 97633 invoked from network); 8 Oct 2002 19:26:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Oct 2002 19:26:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO moutvdom.kundenserver.de) (195.20.224.149) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Oct 2002 19:26:35 -0000 Received: from [195.20.224.214] (helo=mrvdomng.kundenserver.de) by moutvdom.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17z002-00069l-00; Tue, 08 Oct 2002 21:26:34 +0200 Received: from [212.114.213.242] (helo=privataoerzkq7) by mrvdomng.kundenserver.de with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17z001-0003lC-00; Tue, 08 Oct 2002 21:26:33 +0200 Message-ID: <004f01c26f00$9ac46300$fd54fea9@privataoerzkq7> To: "Robert Pontnau" , "Ingrid Suprayan" , "Alfred Neussner" , "Marion Kasper" , "Mailingliste Idolisto" Subject: Librolisto da la Germana Ido-Societo Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 21:24:24 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 From: "Frank Kasper" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=22974940 X-Yahoo-Profile: fkasper2002 Kara geamiki! Kun grandega plezuro me povas informar vi, ke me jus enretig= is la aktuala "Listo di libri, revui e diversa propagili pri od en la lingu= o internaciona Ido - Livrebla da la Germana Ido-Societo", quan me hodie rec= evis per postala sendajo. Me volas uzar l'okazione por dankar a la redakter= o dil listo Alfred Neussner ed a lua spozino Heidi pro lia Ido-aktivesi e d= ezirar ad amba ankore multa plezuro e suceso agante por nia ,movemento ed k= ompreneble anke en lia privata vivo. La interreta versiono dil librolisto = esas trovebla ye l'interret-adreso http://www.europa.idolinguo.com/Germania= /Literturbibliothek/lit.pdf . On de ibe povas stokigar la dokumento kom "PD= F"-indiko. Kordiala saluti a vi omna! Frank Kasper prezidanto dil Germana= Ido-Societo frank.kasper@idolinguo.de From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 7066 Return-Path: X-Sender: ido.info@chello.nl X-Apparently-To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_2_0); 8 Oct 2002 21:08:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 97196 invoked from network); 8 Oct 2002 21:08:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Oct 2002 21:08:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO amsfep13-int.chello.nl) (213.46.243.24) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Oct 2002 21:08:47 -0000 Received: from stuifbergen ([24.132.24.215]) by amsfep13-int.chello.nl (InterMail vM.5.01.03.06 201-253-122-118-106-20010523) with SMTP id <20021008210846.IAZK1253.amsfep13-int.chello.nl@stuifbergen> for ; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 23:08:46 +0200 Message-ID: <009401c26f0f$35a69f60$d7188418@a2000.nl> To: "idolisto" Subject: saluti de Amsterdam Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 23:11:02 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "Hans Stuifbergen" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=22974939 X-Yahoo-Profile: ido_info Kara amiki, Yen, mea kapo itere es libera por kelke skribar ad Idolisto. Me finis exameno, di qua me esperas ke la rezulti esez pozitiva por me. Me lektis omna mesaji, en mea laboreyo, ma regretinde, reaktar ne esis posibla. Me dankas Frank Kasper por l' aktualigo di la vendolisto di la GIS, malgre la fakto ke me ne povas apertar PDF-dokumenti, me pensas ke es utila ke la listo es aktualigita. Ca semano, ultre la normala laborado, me preparos diskurso por l' universitato di Amsterdam, pri Ido. Che 'Germanlinguaidist' me lektis ke Frank preparas Ido-kurso por l' okaziono di Expolingua en Berlin. Me ankore ne es certa pri ka me povas asistar, ma certe dankas Frank pro omna informi quin me recevis pri to. Kara Eberhard, me recevis de la Wilhelm Ostwald-fonduro du libri pri e kun texti da Ostwald, me pagos omna libri morge. Se vu hazarde renkontrus ulu di ta fonduro, voluntez tranquiligar li. Cetere, nia Germana amiki, (ed altri), vi probable saveskis per la jurnali ke mortis Claus, la spozo di Beatrix, rejino di Nederlando. Elua spozo, Princo Claus naskis en Germania, en l' urbeto Hitzacker, D�tzingen, Niedersaksen ed vizitis la skolo en Bad Doberan en Mecklenburg. Princo Claus esis tre populara en Nederlando, mem la maxim populara membro di la rejala familio. Recente il havis forta konkurenco de Maxima, la spozo di Willem-Alexander, la futurala rejo di Nederlando. Il esis tre malada, la lasta yari e morbi mortigis ca amata persono. Me anke shokesas pro mesajo en Diala Jurnaleto, pri l' atento ye Delano�, l' urbestro di Paris. Me joyas, kun la Franci, ke il ankore es vivanta. Me skribos pluse, ca semano, ma erste me telefonos kelka amiki mea, por saveskar da li, ke anke me ankore vivas. Me neglijis li, kelke tro multe. Til balde, saluti amikala, Hans St. -- nova: ARTHUR RIMBAUD, biografio, 75 pag., 3,50 euri http://www.angelfire.com/id/Avance/TiaListo1.html IDO, LA LINGUO INTERNACIONA http://members.tripod.com/~avancigado http://www.idolinguo.com/ Ido, linguo neutra inter diferanta kulturi From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 7067 Return-Path: X-Sender: dongasper2@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_2_0); 9 Oct 2002 09:41:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 14372 invoked from network); 9 Oct 2002 09:41:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Oct 2002 09:41:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web40509.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.78.126) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Oct 2002 09:41:26 -0000 Message-ID: <20021009094126.21894.qmail@web40509.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [202.64.103.136] by web40509.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 09 Oct 2002 02:41:26 PDT Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 02:41:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Uppsala To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <3D9F28A1.5EF89156@telia.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Donald Gasper X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=118145963 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kjell, Pro quo tu dicas ke ol esas la urbo dil internaciona lingui? 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Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos, & more faith.yahoo.com From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 7068 Return-Path: X-Sender: cellus@telia.com X-Apparently-To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_2_0); 9 Oct 2002 12:43:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 55079 invoked from network); 9 Oct 2002 12:43:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Oct 2002 12:43:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailb.telia.com) (194.22.194.6) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Oct 2002 12:43:00 -0000 Received: from d1o913.telia.com (d1o913.telia.com [195.252.44.241]) by mailb.telia.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g99CgxcG002080 for ; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 14:42:59 +0200 (CEST) X-Original-Recipient: Received: from telia.com (h167n2fls21o913.telia.com [213.65.172.167]) by d1o913.telia.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA23783 for ; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 14:42:59 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <3DA420E7.285A1FBF@telia.com> Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2002 14:28:23 +0200 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: sv,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ido] Uppsala References: <20021009094126.21894.qmail@web40509.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Kjell Rehnstrom X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=28747247 Donald Gasper wrote: > Kjell, > Pro quo tu dicas ke ol esas la urbo dil in= ternaciona lingui? > Don Nam Uppsala asumis la responso de la editado di "= La Esperantisto" kande ol havis problemi kun la rusa autoritati, qua interd= iktabis la publikado. In Uppsala agadis du fama occidentalisti, ex qui la = maxim konocata esis Carl Erik Sj=F6stedt, qua publicis matematika libro en = occidental. Le libro mem recensesis en germana matematika revuo. Karl S=F6= derberg esis famoza esperantisto, qua guidis la esperanta programi dil Sued= a naciona radio. In Uppsala lojis anke la fama esperantisto, la profesoro = de fin-ugra lingui, Bj=F6rn Collinder. Se on konsideras ke Uppsala es tre = mikra urbo, ico es bona resulturo. Kjell R From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 7069 Return-Path: X-Sender: idojc@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_2_0); 9 Oct 2002 15:13:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 79620 invoked from network); 9 Oct 2002 15:13:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Oct 2002 15:13:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.17.114) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Oct 2002 15:13:30 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 08:13:30 -0700 Received: from 195.166.69.34 by lw11fd.law11.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 09 Oct 2002 15:13:30 GMT To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Diala jurnaleto Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2002 15:13:30 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Oct 2002 15:13:30.0911 (UTC) FILETIME=[6D518AF0:01C26FA6] From: "James Chandler" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=24528831 X-Yahoo-Profile: idojc Kara Jean e Hans Ka la Diala Jurnaleto da Jean es ankore publikigata che Idolisto? Me ne vidas exemplero en l'arkivi depos la duesma di oktobro, kande Jean retrovenis de sua vakanco. Kordiala predanko pro via respondo. Kordiale, James Chandler idojc@hotmail.com http://www.geocities.com/idojc - IALs index http://www.geocities.com/idojc/yindex.html - Ido index http://groups.yahoo.com/group/idolisto - Idolisto home "I come from a country which does not yet exist." - J. Craveirinha _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 7070 Return-Path: X-Sender: frank.kasper@idolinguo.de X-Apparently-To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_2_0); 9 Oct 2002 20:59:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 16921 invoked from network); 9 Oct 2002 20:53:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Oct 2002 20:53:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO moutvdom.kundenserver.de) (195.20.224.200) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Oct 2002 20:53:02 -0000 Received: from [195.20.224.214] (helo=mrvdomng.kundenserver.de) by moutvdom.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17zNpF-0001hz-00 for idolisto@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 09 Oct 2002 22:53:01 +0200 Received: from [212.114.239.210] (helo=privataoerzkq7) by mrvdomng.kundenserver.de with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17zNpF-0004Cq-00 for idolisto@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 09 Oct 2002 22:53:01 +0200 Message-ID: <003601c26fd5$d9adabf0$fd54fea9@privataoerzkq7> To: "Mailingliste Idolisto" Subject: Lexiko Polona-Ido nun ret-atingebla Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 22:52:07 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 From: "Frank Kasper" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=22974940 X-Yahoo-Profile: fkasper2002 Kara amiki! Kun grandega plezuro me povas saveskigar a vi, ke me finfine j= us sucesis enretigar la "Lexiko Polona-Ido" kreita da Jerzy Gralak aden la = ret-situo dil ULI. Je la interreta adreso http://www.europa.idolinguo.com/= Polonia/Lexiki on nun atingas la du lexiki "Ido-Polona" e "Polona-Ido". Amb= a lexiki esas dividita aden quar parti, qui esas stokigebla sur via harddis= ko kom "Zip"-dokumenti. Pos deskompresado per deskompresad-programo on en o= mna indiko trovas "Word"-dokumenti kun la vortaro segun omnu singla komencl= =EDtero de A til Z. Me nun ankore enretigos la "Lexiko di nova vorti", quan= on pose atingas per la sama interreta adreso. Me deziras a l'intereseri s= ucesoza uzado dil interreta lexiki. Kordiala saluti a vi omni! Frank fran= k.kasper@idolinguo.de From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 7071 Return-Path: X-Sender: ido.info@chello.nl X-Apparently-To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_2_0); 9 Oct 2002 21:13:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 1803 invoked from network); 9 Oct 2002 21:13:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Oct 2002 21:13:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO amsfep14-int.chello.nl) (213.46.243.22) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Oct 2002 21:13:31 -0000 Received: from stuifbergen ([24.132.24.215]) by amsfep14-int.chello.nl (InterMail vM.5.01.03.06 201-253-122-118-106-20010523) with SMTP id <20021009211330.ZMFX1274.amsfep14-int.chello.nl@stuifbergen> for ; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 23:13:30 +0200 Message-ID: <007e01c26fd9$0b598e00$d7188418@a2000.nl> To: References: Subject: Re: [ido] Diala jurnaleto Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 23:15:50 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "Hans Stuifbergen" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=22974939 X-Yahoo-Profile: ido_info Kara James, La Diala Jurnaleto es jurnalo specale apartenanta ad Idostab, la forumo jerata ed administrata da Jean Martignon. De tempo a tempo il anke transsendas la Diala Jurnaleto ad Idolisto (kad Ido- spamo*? :-)). Me ipsa ne relatas la Diala Jurnaleto od Idostab, nur es membro, e pro motivi di kontinueso, probas helpar sendar novumi* se nia amiko Jean ne es kapabla (pro vakancala motivi) facar lo. Hodie, il jus sendis mesajo ad Idostab en qua il exkuzas por ne livrar nova Diala Jurnaleto, pro erori e fatigeso. Me pensas ke Diala Jurnaleto es tre bona ideo e povas esar adjuntata novumi* de altra landi da altra personi. Tale forsan, kreesos Diala Jurnaleto kun "jurnalisti" advere de omna loki di la mondo. Cetere, la Diala Jurnaleto anke diale es transsendata a diversa diskuto-grupi ("novaj-grupi), di qui 'soc.culture.europe' e 'talk.politics.european-union' es fixa adresarii. Kelkafoye on reaktas ye la Diala Jurnaleto kun questioni pri ta "stranja" linguo, e kelki exasperesas pro ke ne es skribita en l' Angla. Me opinionas ke importas ke Ido reprezentesas inter l' avalancho de mesaji nur en l' Angla, certe se koncernas diskutogrupi pri Europa, ta kontinento di diferanta kulturi, l' un ne plu importanta kam l' altra. Saluti amikala, Hans St. -- nova: ARTHUR RIMBAUD, biografio, 75 pag., 3,50 euri http://www.angelfire.com/id/Avance/TiaListo1.html IDO, LA LINGUO INTERNACIONA http://members.tripod.com/~avancigado http://www.idolinguo.com/ Ido, linguo neutra inter diferanta kulturi From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 7072 Return-Path: X-Sender: mtw@birdseye.view.net.au X-Apparently-To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_2_0); 10 Oct 2002 00:58:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 63478 invoked from network); 10 Oct 2002 00:58:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Oct 2002 00:58:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chameleon.view.net.au) (203.87.111.154) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Oct 2002 00:58:58 -0000 Received: from chameleon.view.net.au (mtw@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chameleon.view.net.au (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g9A0wu99000635 for ; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 10:28:56 +0930 Received: from localhost (mtw@localhost) by chameleon.view.net.au (8.12.2/8.12.2/Submit) with ESMTP id g9A0wtbg000632 for ; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 10:28:55 +0930 X-Authentication-Warning: chameleon.view.net.au: mtw owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 10:28:55 +0930 (CST) X-X-Sender: mtw@chameleon.view.net.au To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ido] Diala jurnaleto In-Reply-To: <007e01c26fd9$0b598e00$d7188418@a2000.nl> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Michael Talbot-Wilson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=8823137 Ye 2002-10-09 23:15 +0200, Hans Stuifbergen skribis: > ... > Cetere, la Diala Jurnaleto anke diale es transsendata a diversa > diskuto-grupi ("novaj-grupi), di qui 'soc.culture.europe' e > 'talk.politics.european-union' es fixa adresarii. Kelkafoye on reaktas ye la > Diala Jurnaleto kun questioni pri ta "stranja" linguo, e kelki exasperesas > pro ke ne es skribita en l' Angla. Me opinionas ke importas ke Ido > reprezentesas inter l' avalancho de mesaji nur en l' Angla, certe se > koncernas diskutogrupi pri Europa, ta kontinento di diferanta kulturi, l' un > ne plu importanta kam l' altra. Me tote konkordas. -- Lu dispersis le superba kordie. Lu destronizis la potenti ed elevis la humili. La hungrantin Lu plenigis de bonaji e la richin Lu forigis indijanta. -- Por abonar kresko sendez 'subscribe' a . From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 7073 Return-Path: X-Sender: idojc@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_2_0); 10 Oct 2002 08:29:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 33654 invoked from network); 10 Oct 2002 08:28:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Oct 2002 08:28:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.17.142) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Oct 2002 08:28:59 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 01:28:59 -0700 Received: from 195.166.69.34 by lw11fd.law11.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 08:28:59 GMT To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: [ido] Diala jurnaleto Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 08:28:59 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Oct 2002 08:28:59.0673 (UTC) FILETIME=[14F24890:01C27037] From: "James Chandler" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=24528831 X-Yahoo-Profile: idojc Kara Hans Me komprenas nun, ke Jean nur de tempo a tempo sendas sua Diala Jurnaleto a ca listo. Me opinionas ke tala reguloza novajo-mesajo es valoroza, do me nun penseskas pri redaktar simila diala mesajo por Idolisto. Me povus adportar ad ol mea propra stilo e vidpunto pri aferi. Forsan me nomizos ol Retala Revueto. Ol kontenus singladie du o tri artikleti pri novaji, e pluse nereguloza 'anguli' por opiniono, komento e raporti pri tv e radio. Omnakaze me laudas via esforci, reklamar e konocigar Ido en diversa general forumi en la reto. Kordiale, James Chandler idojc@hotmail.com http://www.geocities.com/idojc - IALs index http://www.geocities.com/idojc/yindex.html - Ido index http://groups.yahoo.com/group/idolisto - Idolisto home "I come from a country which does not yet exist." - J. Craveirinha _________________________________________________________________ Join the world�s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 7074 Return-Path: X-Sender: idojc@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_2_0); 10 Oct 2002 10:49:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 1844 invoked from network); 10 Oct 2002 10:49:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Oct 2002 10:49:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.17.162) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Oct 2002 10:49:26 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 03:49:26 -0700 Received: from 195.166.69.34 by lw11fd.law11.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 10:49:26 GMT To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: La Retala Revueto Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 10:49:26 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Oct 2002 10:49:26.0871 (UTC) FILETIME=[B3F2A670:01C2704A] From: "James Chandler" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=24528831 X-Yahoo-Profile: idojc La Retala Revueto ================= Dato: Jovdio, 10ma oktobro 2002 Mondo ===== Expanso dil UE decidita ----------------------- Hiere, la 9ma oktobro, la nuna membri di la klubo dil UE decidis extensar la membreso-yuro a dek plusa nacioni. Ica landi inkluzas ok di estal Europa: Chekia, Hungaria, Polonia, Slovenia, Slovakia, Estonia, Lituania, Latvia. L'altra landi es Malta e Ciprus. Ica expanso, eventonta en 2004, esos la maxim granda en la historio dil UE, ed augmentos la nombro di membri a 25. Britania ======== Granda dio por la Konservemi ---------------------------- Hodie la duktero di la Konservema Partiso parolas a lia cayara konfero en la marbordal urbo Bournemouth. Il pregos pardono de la naciono pro l'erori di la lasta konservema guvernerio, ed anuncos nova politiki por plubonigar publika servi. La konservemi es ankore tre nepopulara che la voteri. La Rejino e Philip en Kanada ---------------------------- La Rejino ed elua spozo facas turo di Kanada, ube li recevas bonvenigo generale varma, malgre la kolda vetero ibe. Hiere li mustis esar salvata, pos ke lia batelo paneis meze di glacioza lago en Winnipeg. Televiziono =========== Jus komencis che la kanalo BBC2 interesanta programo 'Wild New World' (Sovaja Nova Mondo). Ica programo utiligas komputoral imaji por rikrear l'animalaro di Usa ante l'arivo di homi ibe. On ja lernis ke olim esis speco di enorma leoni habitanta ica regiono, e ke l'animali migris a la kontinento per granda lando-ponto de Azia, nun submara. Kun kordiala saluti, La redaktero. La redaktero di La Retala Revueto es James Chandler. La Retala Revueto aparas che Idolisto. ====== Kordiale, James Chandler idojc@hotmail.com http://www.geocities.com/idojc - IALs index http://www.geocities.com/idojc/yindex.html - Ido index http://groups.yahoo.com/group/idolisto - Idolisto home "I come from a country which does not yet exist." - J. Craveirinha _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 7075 Return-Path: X-Sender: cellus@telia.com X-Apparently-To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_2_0); 10 Oct 2002 13:48:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 70807 invoked from network); 10 Oct 2002 13:48:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Oct 2002 13:48:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailf.telia.com) (194.22.194.25) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Oct 2002 13:48:37 -0000 Received: from d1o913.telia.com (d1o913.telia.com [195.252.44.241]) by mailf.telia.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9ADmM1V001500; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 15:48:22 +0200 (CEST) X-Original-Recipient: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Received: from telia.com (h167n2fls21o913.telia.com [213.65.172.167]) by d1o913.telia.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA21574; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 15:48:21 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <3DA58524.4BBC4ABF@telia.com> Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 15:48:19 +0200 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: sv,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: James Chandler , Ido Listan Subject: Re: Vua aktiveso che Idolisto References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Kjell Rehnstrom X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=28747247 James Chandler wrote: > Kara Kjell > > Recente vu es tre aktiva che Idolisto. La diskutadi es interesa, e me pro ico provas participar. Certa aferi en mia idolernolibri ne es deskribita tale ke me komprenas li bone, ta-kauze me demandas. Juste mea malkapableso lernar lingui me aduktis ad la helplingui. Ma kompreneble me va silentar. Me ne volas iracigar nulo. Se ulo iracigesas pro mea skribaji povas esar ke ti ulo havas problemo kun sua propra atitudo. Me ne savas.... Or, me esas hom-amiko e me lasos omni en paco. De ta momento me va silentar e probar aprendar ido propramane, e kande me eventuale sucesos produktar senerara texto en ido me revenos. Me trovos alia metodi por kontrolar mia erori. Reste mea intenco ne esis e ne esos propagar ido, nur savar ol. Esas domajo ke mem la maxim amikala intenco povas esar misinterpretata. Ma to es fakto dil vivo. Me lernis multege! Danko! Me povos uzar to in me futur lukto favore ad helpolinguo, tante necesa por parleri de mikra lingui kom la mea. Til eventuala riskribo, kondicione ke me povos lernar ido, e ke me emas. Kjell R qua lernis multo. From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 7076 Return-Path: X-Sender: idojc@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_2_0); 10 Oct 2002 14:02:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 6376 invoked from network); 10 Oct 2002 14:02:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Oct 2002 14:02:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.17.165) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Oct 2002 14:02:42 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 07:02:42 -0700 Received: from 195.166.69.34 by lw11fd.law11.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 14:02:41 GMT To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Mea mesajo a Kjell Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 14:02:41 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Oct 2002 14:02:42.0215 (UTC) FILETIME=[B34FBB70:01C27065] From: "James Chandler" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=24528831 X-Yahoo-Profile: idojc Kar amiki Me nule intencis diskutar l'afero pri quo me skribis a Kjell publike che la listo. Me opinionas ke la justa ago-maniero di administrero es kontaktar la koncernata membri per privata posto, kande problemo eventas che la listo. Tale cakaze me sendis privata mesaji sendepende a Kjell e Jean. Ke Kjell pose respondis a la listo ultre me persone, es lua selekto e me ne responsas pri lo. Me nule volas exkluzar Kjell de la listo, e me deziras ad il omna suceso pri lua Ido-lerno. Kun amikala saluti. Kordiale, James Chandler idojc@hotmail.com http://www.geocities.com/idojc - IALs index http://www.geocities.com/idojc/yindex.html - Ido index http://groups.yahoo.com/group/idolisto - Idolisto home "I come from a country which does not yet exist." - J. Craveirinha _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 7077 Return-Path: X-Sender: polido@interia.pl X-Apparently-To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_2_0); 10 Oct 2002 18:10:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 8218 invoked from network); 10 Oct 2002 18:10:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Oct 2002 18:10:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO poczta.interia.pl) (217.74.65.50) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Oct 2002 18:10:54 -0000 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (naos.interia.pl [127.0.0.1]) by system.wewnetrzny9 (Mailserver) with SMTP id 64EB7814C; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 20:10:52 +0200 (CEST) Received: by poczta.interia.pl (Mailserver, from userid 502) id 0848E7FE0; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 20:10:51 +0200 (CEST) Received: from default (pa248.radom.cvx.ppp.tpnet.pl [213.76.71.248]) by poczta.interia.pl (Mailserver) with SMTP id D4F1B7FD9; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 20:10:46 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <00d501c27089$588d9760$f8474cd5@default> To: , , "IdoSkolo" , Subject: La renkontro Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 19:12:50 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-EMID: e2c93abc From: "Vlado" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=98280703 Kar amiki, ante nelonge me vizitis Ukrainia. En Kiiv me renkontris kun sam= ideanino Janna Reunova. Elu esis suatempe la helpanto e kunlaboranto di Bor= is Aaronov, tre agema ed entuzias moza ukrainana Idisto. Ni konversaciis in= teraltre pri posibleso organizar Ido-renkontro en Kiiv. Lo es posibla de fl= anko di Ukrainani. Janna ca-instante laboras en la turismala agenterio, qua= havas propra hotelo proxime di cefa stacidomo fervojala. La preci di sejor= no en ta hotelo similas a preci en la hotelo di Krakow, en qua eventis la r= enkontro ho-yare. Janna havas la tota Ido-kolektajo de Boris Aaronov. Ol e= sas sufice granda e forsan inkluzas multa rara e mem unika imprimuri. Til n= un ta kolektajo ne es explorita e konservesas pakita. Janna promisis, ke po= s un yaro el okupos pri ta kolektajo, pos ke el divenos pensionito. El prop= ozis organizar la expozuro di ta Idaji dum la renkontro. Saluti amikala V= lado --------------------------------------------------------------------= ------ Przewidywane zawieje sniezne... >>>> http://pogoda.interia.pl/ From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 7078 Return-Path: X-Sender: ido.info@chello.nl X-Apparently-To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_2_0); 10 Oct 2002 18:46:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 66304 invoked from network); 10 Oct 2002 18:46:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Oct 2002 18:46:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO amsfep11-int.chello.nl) (213.46.243.20) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Oct 2002 18:46:55 -0000 Received: from stuifbergen ([24.132.24.215]) by amsfep11-int.chello.nl (InterMail vM.5.01.03.06 201-253-122-118-106-20010523) with SMTP id <20021010184654.YAOR1218.amsfep11-int.chello.nl@stuifbergen> for ; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 20:46:54 +0200 Message-ID: <004c01c2708d$bad02ce0$d7188418@a2000.nl> To: References: <00d501c27089$588d9760$f8474cd5@default> Subject: Re: [ido] La renkontro Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 20:49:09 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "Hans Stuifbergen" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=22974939 X-Yahoo-Profile: ido_info Kara Vlado, To es ecelanta novumo*. Me tre deziras vizitor Ukraina, e quo es plu bon okaziono kam Ido-renkontro en Kiiv?! Ma, ne obliviez ke sequanta yaro esos renkontro en Germania, ma probable la yaro sequanta, do, 2004, me esos ibe (se omno organizesos). Salutez Janna Reunova, la sequanta foyo, me pregas. Saluti amikala, Hans St. -- nova: ARTHUR RIMBAUD, biografio, 75 pag., 3,50 euri http://www.angelfire.com/id/Avance/TiaListo1.html IDO, LA LINGUO INTERNACIONA http://members.tripod.com/~avancigado http://www.idolinguo.com/ Ido, linguo neutra inter diferanta kulturi From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 7079 Return-Path: X-Sender: dongasper2@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_2_0); 10 Oct 2002 18:48:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 75305 invoked from network); 10 Oct 2002 18:48:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Oct 2002 18:48:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web40502.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.78.119) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Oct 2002 18:47:59 -0000 Message-ID: <20021010184759.43517.qmail@web40502.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [203.186.14.12] by web40502.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 11:47:59 PDT Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 11:47:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [ido] Uppsala To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <3DA420E7.285A1FBF@telia.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Donald Gasper X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=118145963 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Do tu esas digna heredanto di ta tradiciono, Kjell. Me esperas ke tu ne ce= sos kontributar a Idolisto. On ne povas postular perfekteso linguala de la = partoprenanti. Nulu esas perfekta tarelate - mem la administreri! Don = Kjell Rehnstrom skribis:Donald Gasper wrote: > Kjell, > Pro quo tu dicas k= e ol esas la urbo dil internaciona lingui? > Don Nam Uppsala asumis la res= ponso de la editado di "La Esperantisto" kande ol havis problemi kun la rus= a autoritati, qua interdiktabis la publikado. In Uppsala agadis du fama oc= cidentalisti, ex qui la maxim konocata esis Carl Erik Sj=F6stedt, qua publi= cis matematika libro en occidental. Le libro mem recensesis en germana mate= matika revuo. Karl S=F6derberg esis famoza esperantisto, qua guidis la esp= eranta programi dil Sueda naciona radio. In Uppsala lojis anke la fama esp= erantisto, la profesoro de fin-ugra lingui, Bj=F6rn Collinder. Se on konsi= deras ke Uppsala es tre mikra urbo, ico es bona resulturo. Kjell R Yaho= o! 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Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, = Videos, & more faith.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have bee= n removed] From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 7080 Return-Path: X-Sender: ido.info@chello.nl X-Apparently-To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_2_0); 10 Oct 2002 21:25:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 10833 invoked from network); 10 Oct 2002 21:25:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Oct 2002 21:25:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO amsfep14-int.chello.nl) (213.46.243.22) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Oct 2002 21:25:49 -0000 Received: from stuifbergen ([24.132.24.215]) by amsfep14-int.chello.nl (InterMail vM.5.01.03.06 201-253-122-118-106-20010523) with SMTP id <20021010212548.MNLI1274.amsfep14-int.chello.nl@stuifbergen> for ; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 23:25:48 +0200 Message-ID: <008701c270a3$ee3005e0$d7188418@a2000.nl> To: References: Subject: yuri Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 23:28:09 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "Hans Stuifbergen" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=22974939 X-Yahoo-Profile: ido_info Michael skribis: (> > koncernas diskutogrupi pri Europa, ta kontinento di diferanta kulturi, l' un > > ne plu importanta kam l' altra.) > > Me tote konkordas. > Danko. Me sempre sentas me tre suportata da vu kande vu defensas me e mea, nia, yuro uzar Ido-linguo. Saluti amikala, Hans St. -- nova: ARTHUR RIMBAUD, biografio, 75 pag., 3,50 euri http://www.angelfire.com/id/Avance/TiaListo1.html IDO, LA LINGUO INTERNACIONA http://members.tripod.com/~avancigado http://www.idolinguo.com/ Ido, linguo neutra inter diferanta kulturi From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 7081 Return-Path: X-Sender: polido@interia.pl X-Apparently-To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_2_0); 10 Oct 2002 23:12:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 37397 invoked from network); 10 Oct 2002 23:12:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Oct 2002 23:12:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO poczta.interia.pl) (217.74.65.50) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Oct 2002 23:12:37 -0000 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (naos.interia.pl [127.0.0.1]) by system.wewnetrzny9 (Mailserver) with SMTP id A745B80B6 for ; Fri, 11 Oct 2002 01:12:35 +0200 (CEST) Received: by poczta.interia.pl (Mailserver, from userid 502) id F1A278430; Fri, 11 Oct 2002 00:37:30 +0200 (CEST) Received: from default (pa103.radom.cvx.ppp.tpnet.pl [213.76.71.103]) by poczta.interia.pl (Mailserver) with SMTP id 83158840D for ; Fri, 11 Oct 2002 00:37:26 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <007d01c270ae$991c8a00$2bf04dd5@default> To: References: <00d501c27089$588d9760$f8474cd5@default> <004c01c2708d$bad02ce0$d7188418@a2000.nl> Subject: Odp: [ido] La renkontro Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 00:42:47 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-EMID: 85138abc From: "Vlado" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=98280703 Kara Hans, me volunte salutos Janna tuanome. Certe me memoras pri la renk= ontro en Germania sequontyare. Me pensas ke Kiiv es tre vizitinda. Kiivani= dicas, ke ca-instante en Kiiv es maxim granda fervoyala staciono en Europa= : proxime situesas grandega stacidomo Kiiv Chefa e supermoderna ed anke tre= granda stacidomo Kiiv Sudala. Me obliviis skribar en mea antea mesajo pri= tre grava afero. La agenterio turistala,en qua laboras Janna Reunova, edit= as la revuo "Travel news" en la Rusa linguo. Ol es bone ilustridta, grandfo= rmata e 72pagini-kapacesa. Janna propozis, ke ulu de Idisti lokigez sua(for= san negranda) reklamo en ca revuo e pose el probos lokigar en la revuo la a= rtiklo(o artikli) pri Ido. La adresi di la revuo: www.travelnews.com.ua gen= eral@travelnews.com.ua Saluti amikala Vlado ----- Wiadomo=B6=E6 orygina= lna ----- Od: "Hans Stuifbergen" Do: Wys=B3ano: 10 pa=BCdziernika 2002 20:49 Temat: Re: [ido] La renk= ontro Kara Vlado, To es ecelanta novumo*. Me tre deziras vizitor Ukraina= , e quo es plu bon okaziono kam Ido-renkontro en Kiiv?! Ma, ne obliviez ke= sequanta yaro esos renkontro en Germania, ma probable la yaro sequanta, do= , 2004, me esos ibe (se omno organizesos). Salutez Janna Reunova, la sequa= nta foyo, me pregas. Saluti amikala, Hans St. -- nova: ARTHUR RIMBAUD, bi= ografio, 75 pag., 3,50 euri http://www.angelfire.com/id/Avance/TiaListo1.ht= ml IDO, LA LINGUO INTERNACIONA http://members.tripod.com/~avancigado http:= //www.idolinguo.com/ Ido, linguo neutra inter diferanta kulturi Ido, = linguo neutra inter diferanta kulturi. Linguo di amikeso! http://www.idoli= nguo.com Anuncez vua partopreno en la solena internaciona Ido-renkontro ok= azione dil 150ma naskodio di l'Ido-pioniro Wilhelm Ostwald dum la tempo dil= 08ma til 11ma di agostoo 2003 en la Wilhelm-Ostwald-Memoreyo en Grossboth= en che Leipzig (Germania! Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http:= //docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ------------------------------------------= --------------------------------- Znaczne ochlodzenie.... >>> http://pogoda= .interia.pl/ ---------------------------------------------------------= ------------------ Znaczne ochlodzenie.... >>> http://pogoda.interia.pl/ = From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 7082 Return-Path: X-Sender: mtw@birdseye.view.net.au X-Apparently-To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_2_0); 11 Oct 2002 02:53:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 17171 invoked from network); 11 Oct 2002 02:53:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Oct 2002 02:53:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chameleon.view.net.au) (203.87.111.154) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Oct 2002 02:53:15 -0000 Received: from chameleon.view.net.au (mtw@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chameleon.view.net.au (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g9B2r3Y4000968; Fri, 11 Oct 2002 12:23:03 +0930 Received: from localhost (mtw@localhost) by chameleon.view.net.au (8.12.2/8.12.2/Submit) with ESMTP id g9B2r2KI000965; Fri, 11 Oct 2002 12:23:02 +0930 X-Authentication-Warning: chameleon.view.net.au: mtw owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 12:23:02 +0930 (CST) X-X-Sender: mtw@chameleon.view.net.au To: Ido Listan Cc: James Chandler Subject: Re: [ido] Re: Vua aktiveso che Idolisto In-Reply-To: <3DA58524.4BBC4ABF@telia.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Michael Talbot-Wilson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=8823137 Ye 2002-10-10 15:48 +0200, Kjell Rehnstrom skribis: > James Chandler wrote: > > > Kara Kjell > > > > Recente vu es tre aktiva che Idolisto. Ed agreabla. Fortunoze, Idolistani esas tolerema homi qui invitas lernanti skribar Ide a la listo, mem se lia Ido ne esas bona. De pos 10 junio, 49 diferanta homi skribis Ide a la listo, e pri lo me joyas. Ma on dicas ke esas plu kam duopla 49 listani. Pro quo li cetera tacas? Quante multe esas timidigita? Nur pri li qui nule esforcas o sucias pri justa skribado Ida on darfas lamentar. Amikale, Michael Talbot-Wilson -- Lu dispersis le superba kordie. Lu destronizis la potenti ed elevis la humili. La hungrantin Lu plenigis de bonaji e la richin Lu forigis indijanta. -- Por abonar kresko sendez 'subscribe' a . From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 7083 Return-Path: X-Sender: mtw@birdseye.view.net.au X-Apparently-To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_2_0); 11 Oct 2002 03:12:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 33257 invoked from network); 11 Oct 2002 03:12:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Oct 2002 03:12:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chameleon.view.net.au) (203.87.111.154) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Oct 2002 03:12:57 -0000 Received: from chameleon.view.net.au (mtw@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chameleon.view.net.au (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g9B3CtY4001036 for ; Fri, 11 Oct 2002 12:42:55 +0930 Received: from localhost (mtw@localhost) by chameleon.view.net.au (8.12.2/8.12.2/Submit) with ESMTP id g9B3Ctem001033 for ; Fri, 11 Oct 2002 12:42:55 +0930 X-Authentication-Warning: chameleon.view.net.au: mtw owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 12:42:55 +0930 (CST) X-X-Sender: mtw@chameleon.view.net.au To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ido] La Retala Revueto In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Michael Talbot-Wilson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=8823137 Ye 2002-10-10 10:49 -0000, James Chandler skribis: > L'altra landi es Malta e Ciprus. Ica expanso, eventonta Me questionis me pro quo Ciprus vice Kiprus. Ciprus semblis baroka. Ma me trovas de Dyer ke la nomo esas Chipro. Amikale, Michael Talbot-Wilson -- Lu dispersis le superba kordie. Lu destronizis la potenti ed elevis la humili. La hungrantin Lu plenigis de bonaji e la richin Lu forigis indijanta. -- Por abonar kresko sendez 'subscribe' a . From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 7084 Return-Path: X-Sender: mtw@birdseye.view.net.au X-Apparently-To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_2_0); 11 Oct 2002 03:50:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 73638 invoked from network); 11 Oct 2002 03:50:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Oct 2002 03:50:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chameleon.view.net.au) (203.87.111.154) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Oct 2002 03:50:20 -0000 Received: from chameleon.view.net.au (mtw@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chameleon.view.net.au (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g9B3oIY4001132 for ; Fri, 11 Oct 2002 13:20:18 +0930 Received: from localhost (mtw@localhost) by chameleon.view.net.au (8.12.2/8.12.2/Submit) with ESMTP id g9B3oIQK001129 for ; Fri, 11 Oct 2002 13:20:18 +0930 X-Authentication-Warning: chameleon.view.net.au: mtw owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 13:20:18 +0930 (CST) X-X-Sender: mtw@chameleon.view.net.au To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ido] Diala jurnaleto In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Michael Talbot-Wilson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=8823137 Ye 2002-10-10 08:28 -0000, James Chandler skribis: > Me komprenas nun, ke Jean nur de tempo a tempo sendas sua Diala Jurnaleto a > ca listo. Me opinionas ke tala reguloza novajo-mesajo es valoroza, do me > nun penseskas pri redaktar simila diala mesajo por Idolisto. Me povus > adportar ad ol mea propra stilo e vidpunto pri aferi. Forsan me nomizos ol > Retala Revueto. Ol kontenus singladie du o tri artikleti pri novaji, e > pluse nereguloza 'anguli' por opiniono, komento e raporti pri tv e > radio. Esas du diferanta lingui, Esido ed Esasido. Li esas mikre, poke, ma mem do absolute diferanta lingui. Li qui skribas la uno nultempe skribas la altro. Esidisti docas Esido ad altri, pretendante ke lo derivita esas lo prima. Anke Esasidisti docas Esasido ad altri. Ni lasez la Diala Jurnaleto a Sro MARTIGNON, *quans propra stilo nulu kondamnas (mem do on povas ultempe denuncar la vidpunto). Li qui volas lektar ol singladie povas abonar Idostab (pri qua me ipsa ne esas aboninto). Amikale, Michael Talbot-Wilson -- Lu dispersis le superba kordie. Lu destronizis la potenti ed elevis la humili. La hungrantin Lu plenigis de bonaji e la richin Lu forigis indijanta. -- Por abonar kresko sendez 'subscribe' a . From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 7085 Return-Path: X-Sender: frank.kasper@idolinguo.de X-Apparently-To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_2_0); 11 Oct 2002 08:24:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 33132 invoked from network); 11 Oct 2002 08:24:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Oct 2002 08:24:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO moutvdom.kundenserver.de) (195.20.224.149) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Oct 2002 08:24:51 -0000 Received: from [195.20.224.220] (helo=mrvdomng.kundenserver.de) by moutvdom.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17zv6I-0001qI-00 for idolisto@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 11 Oct 2002 10:24:50 +0200 Received: from [212.114.239.116] (helo=privataoerzkq7) by mrvdomng.kundenserver.de with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17zv6I-000342-00 for idolisto@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 11 Oct 2002 10:24:50 +0200 Message-ID: <001101c270ff$a92e4b30$fd54fea9@privataoerzkq7> To: References: <00d501c27089$588d9760$f8474cd5@default> Subject: Re: [ido] La renkontro Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 10:24:40 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 From: "Frank Kasper" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=22974940 X-Yahoo-Profile: fkasper2002 Kara amiko Vlado! Kun grandega surprizo me lektis tua mesajo kun l'informo= pri l'aktivesi e propozi da samideanino Janna Reunova ek Kiiv. Pro ke l'I= do-konfero 2003 ja esas prearanjita me propozus aranjar l'Ido-konfero 2004 = en Kiiv. Me pregas tu addonar ca propozo a samideanino Janna Reunova. Kord= iala saluti anke ad el, a tu ed a Wanda ed a vi omna! Frank frank.kasper@= idolinguo.de From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 7086 Return-Path: X-Sender: josegmonagas@yahoo.es X-Apparently-To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_2_0); 11 Oct 2002 16:10:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 65404 invoked from network); 11 Oct 2002 16:10:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Oct 2002 16:10:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web12404.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.173.131) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Oct 2002 16:10:13 -0000 Message-ID: <20021011161013.25762.qmail@web12404.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [200.62.15.7] by web12404.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 11 Oct 2002 18:10:13 CEST Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 18:10:13 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Un-subscribe me from your list, I do not want you to write to my e-mail address any-more To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <001101c270ff$a92e4b30$fd54fea9@privataoerzkq7> MIME-Version: 1.0 From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Jos=E9=20Gregorio=20Monagas?= X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=45500120 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Frank Kasper wrote:Kara amiko Vlado! Kun g= randega surprizo me lektis tua mesajo kun l'informo pri l'aktivesi e propoz= i da samideanino Janna Reunova ek Kiiv. Pro ke l'Ido-konfero 2003 ja esas = prearanjita me propozus aranjar l'Ido-konfero 2004 en Kiiv. Me pregas tu ad= donar ca propozo a samideanino Janna Reunova. Kordiala saluti anke ad el, = a tu ed a Wanda ed a vi omna! Frank frank.kasper@idolinguo.de Ido, lin= guo neutra inter diferanta kulturi. Linguo di amikeso! http://www.idolingu= o.com Anuncez vua partopreno en la solena internaciona Ido-renkontro okazi= one dil 150ma naskodio di l'Ido-pioniro Wilhelm Ostwald dum la tempo dil 08= ma til 11ma di agostoo 2003 en la Wilhelm-Ostwald-Memoreyo en Grossbothen c= he Leipzig (Germania! Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://doc= s.yahoo.com/info/term Mr. Jos=E9 Gregorio Monagas I hope You have a Beau= tiful and Profitable Day Today !!! =A1=A1=A1 Te Deseo Un Bello y Producti= vo D=EDa, Hoy !!! --------------------------------- Yahoo! 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[Non-text portions of th= is message have been removed] From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 7087 Return-Path: X-Sender: eberhard.scholz@idolinguo.de X-Apparently-To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_2_0); 11 Oct 2002 18:17:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 47736 invoked from network); 11 Oct 2002 18:17:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Oct 2002 18:17:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO moutvdom.kundenserver.de) (195.20.224.149) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Oct 2002 18:17:51 -0000 Received: from [195.20.224.206] (helo=mrvdomng.kundenserver.de) by moutvdom.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1804MA-0000XJ-00 for idolisto@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 11 Oct 2002 20:17:50 +0200 Received: from [213.7.62.32] (helo=oemcomputer) by mrvdomng.kundenserver.de with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1804M9-00009u-00 for idolisto@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 11 Oct 2002 20:17:50 +0200 Message-ID: <000401c27152$b582cb60$203e07d5@oemcomputer> To: References: <00d501c27089$588d9760$f8474cd5@default> Subject: Re: [ido] La renkontro Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 17:52:57 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Eberhard Scholz" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=23339976 X-Yahoo-Profile: e_scholz2002 Kara Vlado , anke me tre joyas pri tua Ido-aktivesi tre laudinda. Vere , Europan Ido-renkontro 2004 en Kiiv ( me pronuncas Ki-yev, kad juste ?) esas tre ecelanta ideo. Versimile on ankore trovas anciena od olima membri dil klubo "Amikeso" ? Anke me volunte intencas partoprenor ye interesiva evento. Voluntez tradonar mea amikala saluti a samideanino Janna Reunova. Ka siorino Reunova havus anke intereso por voyajor a Gro�bothen ? Omnakaze me dankas kordiale tu pro l� agreabla mesajo. Amikale - Eberhard eberhard.scholz@idolinguo.de From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 7088 Return-Path: X-Sender: eberhard.scholz@idolinguo.de X-Apparently-To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_2_1); 12 Oct 2002 07:07:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 20971 invoked from network); 12 Oct 2002 07:07:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Oct 2002 07:07:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO moutvdom.kundenserver.de) (195.20.224.131) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Oct 2002 07:07:26 -0000 Received: from [195.20.224.220] (helo=mrvdomng.kundenserver.de) by moutvdom.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 180GMv-0006Yg-00 for idolisto@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 12 Oct 2002 09:07:25 +0200 Received: from [213.7.64.150] (helo=oemcomputer) by mrvdomng.kundenserver.de with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 180GMv-0002Pa-00 for idolisto@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 12 Oct 2002 09:07:25 +0200 Message-ID: <000f01c271be$3b1741a0$964007d5@oemcomputer> To: References: <009401c26f0f$35a69f60$d7188418@a2000.nl> Subject: Re: [ido] saluti de Amsterdam Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2002 09:07:41 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Eberhard Scholz" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=23339976 X-Yahoo-Profile: e_scholz2002 Kara Hans , sempre itere me astonesas pri tua Ido-aktiveso. Ka tu ja diskursis en la universitato di Amsterdam ? Me volunte e detaloze lektus pri rezultajo di tua penadi. Danko pro tua diligenteso ! Ultre me gratulas pro la bona rezultajo di exameno. Amikale - Eberhard eberhard.scholz@idolinguo.de From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 7089 Return-Path: X-Sender: jeanmartignon@minitel.net X-Apparently-To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_2_1); 12 Oct 2002 09:55:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 93612 invoked from network); 12 Oct 2002 09:55:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Oct 2002 09:55:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp4-out.minitel.net) (193.252.91.37) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Oct 2002 09:55:31 -0000 Received: from gmvtx2 (gmailvtx2.globalmail.net [192.168.220.101]) by smtp4-out.minitel.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 21DDB8E for ; Sat, 12 Oct 2002 11:55:30 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from 67742370135 by minitel.net with X25; Sat, 12 Oct 2002 11:55:30 +0200 (METDST) To: "IDOLISTO" Subject: Tr: [idostab] Televiziono en Grekia MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20021012095530.21DDB8E@smtp4-out.minitel.net> Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2002 11:55:30 +0200 (MET DST) From: "JEAN MARTIGNON" Reply-To: "JEAN MARTIGNON" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=22985400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 7090 Return-Path: X-Sender: jeanmartignon@minitel.net X-Apparently-To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_2_1); 12 Oct 2002 09:56:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 91773 invoked from network); 12 Oct 2002 09:56:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Oct 2002 09:56:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp5-out.minitel.net) (193.252.91.38) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Oct 2002 09:56:34 -0000 Received: from gmvtx2 (gmailvtx2.globalmail.net [192.168.220.101]) by smtp5-out.minitel.net (Postfix) with SMTP id AFCEA13694 for ; Sat, 12 Oct 2002 11:56:33 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from 67742370135 by minitel.net with X25; Sat, 12 Oct 2002 11:56:33 +0200 (METDST) To: "IDOLISTO" Subject: Tr: [idostab] Zevs MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20021012095633.AFCEA13694@smtp5-out.minitel.net> Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2002 11:56:33 +0200 (MET DST) From: "JEAN MARTIGNON" Reply-To: "JEAN MARTIGNON" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=22985400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 7091 Return-Path: X-Sender: jeanmartignon@minitel.net X-Apparently-To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_2_1); 12 Oct 2002 11:47:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 51551 invoked from network); 12 Oct 2002 11:47:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Oct 2002 11:47:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp5-out.minitel.net) (193.252.91.38) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Oct 2002 11:47:02 -0000 Received: from gmvtx1 (gmailvtx1.globalmail.net [192.168.220.100]) by smtp5-out.minitel.net (Postfix) with SMTP id A7D0F13694; Sat, 12 Oct 2002 13:47:01 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from 69343370435 by minitel.net with X25; Sat, 12 Oct 2002 13:47:01 +0200 (METDST) To: "IDOSTAB" Cc: "IDOLISTO" Subject: Atento en Finlando MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <20021012114701.A7D0F13694@smtp5-out.minitel.net> Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2002 13:47:01 +0200 (MET DST) From: "JEAN MARTIGNON" Reply-To: jeanmartignon@minitel.net X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=22985400 :::-::: Atento en supermerkato eventis en Helsinki, chefurbo di Finlando. I= co esas milito-ago qua ne plus efektigesabis depos la duesma mondo-milito. = Me konjektas ke la triesma mondo-milito komencas gradope e ke neexpektita s= kopoplako esas frapita. Tamen, stranje, nulu revendikis la atento e Finland= o esas pacema lando sen disputi kun irgu. Kad l'islamisti frapas Ocidento o= mnaloke ube ico esas maxim facile facebla ? JM :::-:: From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 7092 Return-Path: X-Sender: jeanmartignon@minitel.net X-Apparently-To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_2_1); 12 Oct 2002 16:39:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 5180 invoked from network); 12 Oct 2002 16:39:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Oct 2002 16:39:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp5-out.minitel.net) (193.252.91.38) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Oct 2002 16:39:52 -0000 Received: from gmvtx1 (gmailvtx1.globalmail.net [192.168.220.100]) by smtp5-out.minitel.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 164C313697; Sat, 12 Oct 2002 18:39:52 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from 67726324435 by minitel.net with X25; Sat, 12 Oct 2002 18:39:52 +0200 (METDST) To: "IDOSTAB" Cc: "IDOLISTO" , "Marion Kasper" , "Manfred Magin" , "IH" , "CEZARO" Subject: Diala jurnaleto (12-13.X.02) Saturdie e Sundie MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <20021012163952.164C313697@smtp5-out.minitel.net> Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2002 18:39:52 +0200 (MET DST) From: "JEAN MARTIGNON" Reply-To: jeanmartignon@minitel.net X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=22985400 Dii di santa Wilfried e di santa Geraldus DIO-PROVERBO : Multa kapi, multa= opinioni. VETERO :- Sunoza vetero tro varma relate la sezono, cajorne, en= Francilia. KONCIZE :- FINLANDO : Mortinti pro posibla atento - RUSIA : Pu= tin ne vizitos NATO - JAPONIA : Kriminoza sektano kondamnita. ------------= ---------------------------- FINLANDO :- Sis mortinti lor explozo --------= -------------------------------- Explozo ocidis sis personi, hiere, e vund= is sisadeko de plusa homi en komercala provizerio en preurbo di Helsinki. L= a polico-responsivo opinionis ke esas tro frue por saveskar la kauzi dil ex= plozo qua eventis ye l'unesma etajo dil supermerkato. Il adjuntis ke la tra= co di atento ne povas refutesar, tamen per substrekizar ke nul elemento ne = posibligas justifikar ol. ---------------------------------------- RUSIA = :- Putin ne iros a la somitala renkontro di NATO en Praha -----------------= ----------------------- Prezidanto Putin anuncis, hiere, ke il ne iros a l= a NATO-somitala renkontro en Praha, dum novembro, ube il esabis invitata. M= oskva duras opinionar ke esas "eroro" pluvastigar NATO, a qua non landi di = est-Europa kandidatesas. Ica pluvastigo devas rezolvesar lor la somito di P= raha. ---------------------------------------- JAPONIA :- Membro dil Aum-= sekto kondamnesas ye morto-puniso ---------------------------------------- = La distrikto-tribunalo di Tokyo kondamnis ye morto-puniso, hiere, anciena = bio-kemiisto dil Aum-sekto ("Suprega Vereso"), qua konsideresis kom lua "mi= nistro pri Saneso", pro mortigi ed altra akuzi relatanta ad ataki per "sari= n"-gaso dum la yari 1990. ALTRA TITULI - ISRAEL : Palestinana kamikazo ka= ptesis ante atento. - ITALIA : Teroristi arestesis - RUSIA : Duadek-e-tri= policani favoroza a Rusia ocidesis en Grozny. Kordiala saluti ad omni. J= M :::-::: From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 7093 Return-Path: X-Sender: idojc@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_2_1); 12 Oct 2002 17:00:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 85323 invoked from network); 12 Oct 2002 17:00:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Oct 2002 17:00:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.17.95) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Oct 2002 17:00:11 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 12 Oct 2002 10:00:11 -0700 Received: from 195.92.67.70 by lw11fd.law11.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 12 Oct 2002 17:00:11 GMT To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: La Retala Revueto Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2002 17:00:11 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Oct 2002 17:00:11.0677 (UTC) FILETIME=[D3B62CD0:01C27210] From: "James Chandler" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=24528831 X-Yahoo-Profile: idojc La Retala Revueto ================= Dato: Saturdio, 12ma oktobro 2002 Mondo ===== Paco-premio por Carter es 'gambo-frapo' por Bush ------------------------------------------------ Ex-prezidanto di Usa Jimmy Carter ganis la Nobel-premio por Paco, precipue pro lua laboro por paco-konkordo inter Egiptia ed Izrael signatita en 1979 che Camp David. Segun la judikisto norvegiana Gunnar Berge, ica premio es 'gambo-frapo' por la nuna prezidanto George W. Bush e kondamno di la nuna atitudo di Usa pri Irak. Carter sempre favoris dialogo kun enemiki e teroristi vice militala solvi. Usana projeto por militala guvernerio en Irak --------------------------------------------- La guvernerio di George W. Bush projetas nova rejimo en Irak segun la modelo di la pos-milita guvernerio en Japonia, pos la venonta milito kontre Irak. La nova guvernerio esos direktata da usana generalo, forsan Gen. Tommy Franks. Usa timas stando di anarkio en Irak pos la destrukto di la Saddam-rejimo, e volas evitar la disrupto di la lando aden plura parti. Britania ======== L'unesma omna-partisa guvernerio en Ulster krulas ------------------------------------------------- L'Asemblo di Nord-Irlando esos cesigata provizore lundie pro grava deskonkordo inter la diversa partisi. L'Unionisti postulas la fino dil organizuro terorista IRA por lia duranta partopreno en l'Asemblo. Ico semblas neprobabla, malgre restriktita senarmesko di IRA dum recenta yari. L'Asemblo, quo komencis en 1997, es la produkto di la granda 'Good Friday'-konkordo inter Britania, Irlando e la partisi di Ulster. Televiziono =========== Sundie komencos nova aventuro che la kanalo BBC1 por Michael Palin, famoza komedi-aktoro e membro di la grupo 'Monty Python'. Icafoye il transvoyajos la Sahara-dezerto, departante de Maroko. Ico es la triesma granda voyajo da Palin, quo komencis per voyajo cirkum la mondo, sequante la karaktero Phileas Fogg en la romano da Jules Verne. Ica programi es sempre tre drola e tre populara. Kordiale, La Redaktero. La redaktero di La Retala Revueto es James Chandler. La Retala Revueto aparas che Idolisto. ===== Kordiale, James Chandler idojc@hotmail.com http://www.geocities.com/idojc - IALs index http://www.geocities.com/idojc/yindex.html - Ido index http://groups.yahoo.com/group/idolisto - Idolisto home "I come from a country which does not yet exist." - J. Craveirinha _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 7094 Return-Path: X-Sender: dgweston@amserve.com X-Apparently-To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_2_1); 12 Oct 2002 19:20:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 58459 invoked from network); 12 Oct 2002 19:19:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Oct 2002 19:19:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail-1.amstrad.demon.net) (212.225.36.183) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Oct 2002 19:19:59 -0000 Received: from pr-du-212.225.40.241.amstrad.demon.net (pr-du-212.225.40.241.amstrad.demon.net [212.225.40.241]) by mail-1.amstrad.demon.net (Mirapoint) with SMTP id ADB45652; Sat, 12 Oct 2002 20:19:57 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <200210121919.ADB45652@mail-1.amstrad.demon.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Subject: Esido ed Esasido Date: 12 Oct 2002 20:19:56 +0100 From: "David G Weston" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=112389959 Kara lekteri Me juis la komenti da Michael Talbot-Wilson pri la du lingui Esido ed Esasido. Quankam me ipsa esas Esasidisto, me kustumale nultempe remarkas ka la texto quan me lektas esas en un sorto di Ido o la altra. Esas ya vera ke on sempre adheras ad un partikulara sorto; regardante itere kelka recenta mesaji, me povis quaze verifikar lo. Tamen me ne esas konvinkata ke la Esasidisti povas sucesoze docar Esasido, e la Esidisti Esido (quale Michael Talbot-Wilson sugestas); adminime, ne per moyeno quale Idolisto. Me pensas ke la decido skribar en Esido od Esasido eventas frue en la kariero di singla Idisto, e nultempe chanjas.... Kordiale David Weston -- Chat online anytime at AMSCHAT - www.amschat.com From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 7095 Return-Path: X-Sender: mtw@birdseye.view.net.au X-Apparently-To: idolisto@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_2_1); 13 Oct 2002 01:14:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 64826 invoked from network); 13 Oct 2002 01:14:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Oct 2002 01:14:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chameleon.view.net.au) (203.87.111.154) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Oct 2002 01:14:37 -0000 Received: from chameleon.view.net.au (mtw@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chameleon.view.net.au (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g9D1EYeI002122 for ; Sun, 13 Oct 2002 10:44:34 +0930 Received: from localhost (mtw@localhost) by chameleon.view.net.au (8.12.2/8.12.2/Submit) with ESMTP id g9D1EXCt002119 for ; Sun, 13 Oct 2002 10:44:34 +0930 X-Authentication-Warning: chameleon.view.net.au: mtw owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2002 10:44:33 +0930 (CST) X-X-Sender: mtw@chameleon.view.net.au To: Ido Listo Subject: Morto en paradizo Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Michael Talbot-Wilson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=8823137 Deki de festanta homi ocidesas, e plu multi vundesas, en insulo Bali da plura granda bombi qui explozis apud du restorerii. On dicas ke islamana militemi facis lo. La populo di Bali esas (unike en Indonezia) hinduana. La insulo esas famoza vakanco loko. Semblas ke preske omna mortinti e vunditi venis de Anglia, Kanada e (probable la plumulto) Australia. --Michael Talbot-Wilson -- Lu dispersis le superba kordie. Lu destronizis la potenti ed elevis la humili. La hungrantin Lu plenigis de bonaji e la richin Lu forigis indijanta. -- Por abonar kresko sendez 'subscribe' a . From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 7096 Return-Path: X-Sender: mtw@birdseye.view.net.au X-Apparently-To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_2_1); 13 Oct 2002 02:13:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 29085 invoked from network); 13 Oct 2002 02:13:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Oct 2002 02:13:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chameleon.view.net.au) (203.87.111.154) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Oct 2002 02:13:21 -0000 Received: from chameleon.view.net.au (mtw@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chameleon.view.net.au (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g9D2DJeI002267 for ; Sun, 13 Oct 2002 11:43:19 +0930 Received: from localhost (mtw@localhost) by chameleon.view.net.au (8.12.2/8.12.2/Submit) with ESMTP id g9D2DIhS002264 for ; Sun, 13 Oct 2002 11:43:18 +0930 X-Authentication-Warning: chameleon.view.net.au: mtw owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2002 11:43:18 +0930 (CST) X-X-Sender: mtw@chameleon.view.net.au To: IDOLISTO Subject: Re: [ido] Tr: [idostab] Televiziono en Grekia In-Reply-To: <20021012095530.21DDB8E@smtp4-out.minitel.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Michael Talbot-Wilson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=8823137 Ye 2002-10-12 11:55 +0200, JEAN MARTIGNON skribis: > > > > > > > > Ido, linguo neutra inter diferanta kulturi. Linguo di amikeso! > > http://www.idolinguo.com > Futila mesajo pro la interdiktado pri atachuri. A li qui volas sendar e recevar atachuri, permisez me rekomendar kresko (videz infre) kom listo qua havas kelke bona impedo pri *spamo, ma ne interdiktas atachuri, e do anke ne tote interdiktas virusi. La grandeso di mesajo esas limitizata a 80.000 literi, tale ke kelka virusi (ed altra granda atachuri, e tre longa mesaji) ne povas sendesar ad aboninti. Generale, ne esas tre bona praktiko sendar atachuri ad e-posto listi. Ma semblas a me ke en la nuna epoko di Ido en la Retajo, e komputorala uzado da Idisti, on devas darfar sendar, specale, PDF kodexari. Atachuri qui ne esas PDFi forsan esas interdiktenda ed interdiktota. Amikale, Michael Talbot-Wilson -- Lu dispersis le superba kordie. Lu destronizis la potenti ed elevis la humili. La hungrantin Lu plenigis de bonaji e la richin Lu forigis indijanta. -- Por abonar kresko sendez 'subscribe' a . From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 7097 Return-Path: X-Sender: mtw@birdseye.view.net.au X-Apparently-To: idolisto@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_2_1); 13 Oct 2002 03:42:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 43751 invoked from network); 13 Oct 2002 03:42:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Oct 2002 03:42:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chameleon.view.net.au) (203.87.111.154) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Oct 2002 03:42:39 -0000 Received: from chameleon.view.net.au (mtw@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chameleon.view.net.au (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g9D3gbeI002569 for ; Sun, 13 Oct 2002 13:12:37 +0930 Received: from localhost (mtw@localhost) by chameleon.view.net.au (8.12.2/8.12.2/Submit) with ESMTP id g9D3ganP002566 for ; Sun, 13 Oct 2002 13:12:37 +0930 X-Authentication-Warning: chameleon.view.net.au: mtw owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2002 13:12:36 +0930 (CST) X-X-Sender: mtw@chameleon.view.net.au To: Ido Listo Subject: Nun plu kam 150 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Michael Talbot-Wilson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=8823137 Kara amiki, Nun on dicas ke plu kam 150 homi mortis en Bali, e tre multi havas hororiva vundi. Multa Austaliana *futbalisti esas en Bali por festar la fino di la sezono por *futbalo. Centi de homi esis amasigita aden la du nokto-klubi. --Michael Talbot-Wilson -- Lu dispersis le superba kordie. Lu destronizis la potenti ed elevis la humili. La hungrantin Lu plenigis de bonaji e la richin Lu forigis indijanta. -- Por abonar kresko sendez 'subscribe' a . From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 7098 Return-Path: X-Sender: jeanmartignon@minitel.net X-Apparently-To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_2_1); 13 Oct 2002 07:32:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 79990 invoked from network); 13 Oct 2002 07:32:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Oct 2002 07:32:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp5-out.minitel.net) (193.252.91.38) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Oct 2002 07:32:02 -0000 Received: from gmvtx2 (gmailvtx2.globalmail.net [192.168.220.101]) by smtp5-out.minitel.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 7A01E1369C; Sun, 13 Oct 2002 09:32:01 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from 67726324435 by minitel.net with X25; Sun, 13 Oct 2002 09:32:01 +0200 (METDST) To: "IDOSTAB" Cc: "IDOLISTO" Subject: Dialekto di Kreta MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <20021013073201.7A01E1369C@smtp5-out.minitel.net> Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2002 09:32:01 +0200 (MET DST) From: "JEAN MARTIGNON" Reply-To: jeanmartignon@minitel.net X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=22985400 :::-::: Kande me esis en Kreta me demandis a exkurso-guidistino ka la Kreta= na dialekto esas tre diferanta de la oficala Greka linguo. El respondis a m= e ke Kretano qua savus nur la dialekto ne povus komprenar la oficala linguo= . Altra exkurso-guidisto dicis a me ke la kontinentala Greki e la Kretani p= arolas exakte la sama linguo, nur existas vorti ed expreso-manieri qui esas= diferanta ma ke kontinentala Greki e Kretani tre bone interkomprenas. Fine= , Germano qua habitas en Kreta depos dek yari asertis a me ke la Kretani e = la kontinentala Greki havas la sama problemi por interkompreno kam la Hambu= rgani e la Bavariani. (Ka la Germani povas dicar a me ka la Bavariani e la = Hamburgani povas interkomprenar ? Kande li parolas la "Hochdeutsch komprene= ble). La Greka linguo esas tre bela ed eufonioza. Semblas nur ke en Kreta,= la lokala lojanti havas tre forta regionala acento. Exemple la vorto polis= =3D urbo, pronuncesas : pulis en Kreta. Ma me konjektas ke ico nule povas = impedar l'interkompreno. Yia sas. JM :::-::: From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 7099 Return-Path: X-Sender: idojc@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_2_1); 13 Oct 2002 09:54:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 84367 invoked from network); 13 Oct 2002 09:54:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Oct 2002 09:54:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.17.43) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Oct 2002 09:54:58 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 13 Oct 2002 02:54:58 -0700 Received: from 195.92.67.65 by lw11fd.law11.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 13 Oct 2002 09:54:57 GMT To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: [ido] Tr: [idostab] Televiziono en Grekia Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2002 09:54:57 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Oct 2002 09:54:58.0875 (UTC) FILETIME=[974F48B0:01C2729E] From: "James Chandler" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=24528831 X-Yahoo-Profile: idojc Sro T-W skribis: >Futila mesajo pro la interdiktado pri atachuri. A li qui volas sendar >e recevar atachuri, permisez me rekomendar kresko (videz infre) kom >listo qua havas kelke bona impedo pri *spamo, ma ne interdiktas >atachuri, e do anke ne tote interdiktas virusi. Kande problemo eventas che postolisto, generale ne helpas establisar plusa listo identa ecepte un o du reguli. Recente me mustis ekpulsar ed interdiktar membro che altra listo pro tala ago. Nun ke membreso di Idolisto es restriktita, ni povas konsiderar ripermiso di atachuri. Nam nulu povas abonar sen aprobo da administranto. Quon opinionas l'altra administranti pri ca ideo? Kordiale, James Chandler idojc@hotmail.com http://www.geocities.com/idojc - IALs index http://www.geocities.com/idojc/yindex.html - Ido index http://groups.yahoo.com/group/idolisto - Idolisto home "I come from a country which does not yet exist." - J. Craveirinha _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 7100 Return-Path: X-Sender: mtw@birdseye.view.net.au X-Apparently-To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_2_1); 13 Oct 2002 10:50:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 7222 invoked from network); 13 Oct 2002 10:50:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Oct 2002 10:50:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chameleon.view.net.au) (203.87.111.154) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Oct 2002 10:50:07 -0000 Received: from chameleon.view.net.au (mtw@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chameleon.view.net.au (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g9DAo4eI004371 for ; Sun, 13 Oct 2002 20:20:04 +0930 Received: from localhost (mtw@localhost) by chameleon.view.net.au (8.12.2/8.12.2/Submit) with ESMTP id g9DAo4BG004368 for ; Sun, 13 Oct 2002 20:20:04 +0930 X-Authentication-Warning: chameleon.view.net.au: mtw owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2002 20:20:04 +0930 (CST) X-X-Sender: mtw@chameleon.view.net.au To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ido] Tr: [idostab] Televiziono en Grekia In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Michael Talbot-Wilson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=8823137 Ye 2002-10-13 09:54 -0000, James Chandler skribis: > Sro T-W skribis: > > >Futila mesajo pro la interdiktado pri atachuri. A li qui volas sendar > >e recevar atachuri, permisez me rekomendar kresko (videz infre) kom > >listo qua havas kelke bona impedo pri *spamo, ma ne interdiktas > >atachuri, e do anke ne tote interdiktas virusi. > > Kande problemo eventas che postolisto, generale ne helpas establisar plusa > listo identa ecepte un o du reguli. Recente me mustis ekpulsar ed > interdiktar membro che altra listo pro tala ago. On povas vidar ke me ne quik sugestis lo. La listo Kresko ja existis ante ke me skribis la unesma de mea plura plendi pri ca aranjo. Advere, me konsilis kontre lo ante ke la interdikto esis impozita. Recente me chanjis Kresko tale ke ol interdiktos *spamo, sen la neceso aprobar abonanti. Nun on vidis itere vakua mesajo, nur kontentanta quaze *spamo de Yahoogroups, per qua la sendinto intencis sendar a ni informo pri Ido kom (forsan) PDF ento, kelka semani pos ke ni diskutis mesaji simila quin altri sendis. Pro to me skribis. E me skribis nur a li qui volus recevar mesaji qui hazarde povus kontenar virusi. Amikale, Michael Talbot-Wilson -- Lu dispersis le superba kordie. Lu destronizis la potenti ed elevis la humili. La hungrantin Lu plenigis de bonaji e la richin Lu forigis indijanta. -- Por abonar kresko sendez 'subscribe' a . From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 7101 Return-Path: X-Sender: ido.info@chello.nl X-Apparently-To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_2_1); 13 Oct 2002 11:27:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 15105 invoked from network); 13 Oct 2002 11:27:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Oct 2002 11:27:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO amsfep13-int.chello.nl) (213.46.243.24) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Oct 2002 11:27:56 -0000 Received: from stuifbergen ([24.132.24.215]) by amsfep13-int.chello.nl (InterMail vM.5.01.03.06 201-253-122-118-106-20010523) with SMTP id <20021013112755.KRUM1253.amsfep13-int.chello.nl@stuifbergen> for ; Sun, 13 Oct 2002 13:27:55 +0200 Message-ID: <003101c272ab$ea240b40$d7188418@a2000.nl> To: References: Subject: atachuri Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2002 13:30:20 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "Hans Stuifbergen" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=22974939 X-Yahoo-Profile: ido_info Kara James, Me pensas ke nun ke ni kontrolas l' aceso a la membrolisto di Idolisto, e do havas ula kontrolo pri la membri, ke ni anulez la nepermiso di atacho. E se es posibla ke ni limitizas l' atachuri havar plu kam 80.000 literi, e tale eventar virusizo, lore es bona. Ka to es realigebla per Yahoo, ta limitizo di literi? Saluti amikala, Hans St. -- nova: ARTHUR RIMBAUD, biografio, 75 pag., 3,50 euri http://www.angelfire.com/id/Avance/TiaListo1.html IDO, LA LINGUO INTERNACIONA http://members.tripod.com/~avancigado http://www.idolinguo.com/ Ido, linguo neutra inter diferanta kulturi From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 7102 Return-Path: X-Sender: mtw@birdseye.view.net.au X-Apparently-To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_2_1); 13 Oct 2002 12:26:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 81353 invoked from network); 13 Oct 2002 12:26:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Oct 2002 12:26:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chameleon.view.net.au) (203.87.111.154) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Oct 2002 12:26:05 -0000 Received: from chameleon.view.net.au (mtw@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chameleon.view.net.au (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g9DCQ2eI004756 for ; Sun, 13 Oct 2002 21:56:02 +0930 Received: from localhost (mtw@localhost) by chameleon.view.net.au (8.12.2/8.12.2/Submit) with ESMTP id g9DCQ1jc004753 for ; Sun, 13 Oct 2002 21:56:02 +0930 X-Authentication-Warning: chameleon.view.net.au: mtw owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2002 21:56:01 +0930 (CST) X-X-Sender: mtw@chameleon.view.net.au To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ido] Tr: [idostab] Televiziono en Grekia In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Michael Talbot-Wilson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=8823137 Ye 2002-10-13 20:20 +0930, Michael Talbot-Wilson skribis: > Ye 2002-10-13 09:54 -0000, James Chandler skribis: > > > > > Kande problemo eventas che postolisto, generale ne helpas establisar plusa > > listo identa ecepte un o du reguli. Recente me mustis ekpulsar ed > > interdiktar membro che altra listo pro tala ago. > > On povas vidar ke me ne quik sugestis lo. La listo Kresko ja existis > ante ke me skribis la unesma de mea plura plendi pri ca aranjo. > Advere, me konsilis kontre lo ante ke la interdikto esis impozita. Me jus sendis la mesajo "info" a e recevis texto qua de longatempe esis ibe, inkluzante lo sequanta: "Anke existas altra listo, idolisto@yahoogroups.com. Vu povas abonar Idolisto per la sequanta metodo: sendez vakua mesajo ad idolisto-subscribe@yahoogroups.com. E vu povas abonar la listi ido-skolo e linguolisto per equivalenta metodi, sendante a ido-skolo-subscribe o linguolisto-subscribe che yahoogroups.com." Amikale, Michael Talbot-Wilson -- Lu dispersis le superba kordie. Lu destronizis la potenti ed elevis la humili. La hungrantin Lu plenigis de bonaji e la richin Lu forigis indijanta. -- Por abonar kresko sendez 'subscribe' a . From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 7103 Return-Path: X-Sender: jeanmartignon@minitel.net X-Apparently-To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_2_1); 13 Oct 2002 14:47:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 86834 invoked from network); 13 Oct 2002 14:47:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Oct 2002 14:47:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp4-out.minitel.net) (193.252.91.37) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Oct 2002 14:47:46 -0000 Received: from gmvtx2 (gmailvtx2.globalmail.net [192.168.220.101]) by smtp4-out.minitel.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 33FE593 for ; Sun, 13 Oct 2002 16:47:46 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from 67742370135 by minitel.net with X25; Sun, 13 Oct 2002 16:47:46 +0200 (METDST) To: "IDOLISTO" Subject: Temo : Televiziono en Grekia MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <20021013144746.33FE593@smtp4-out.minitel.net> Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2002 16:47:46 +0200 (MET DST) From: "JEAN MARTIGNON" Reply-To: jeanmartignon@minitel.net X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=22985400 Pro ke la texto quan me skribis pri la televiziono en Grekia esas tre kurta= , yen ol : :::-::: Malgre ke la Greki esas tre fiera pri sua linguo, la t= eleviziono en Grekia spektigas multa Usana filmi qui ne esas dublita (*) en= la Greka ma qui havas traduko per subtitulo en la Greka. Forsan Grekia esa= s bona loko por lernar l'Usana-Angla linguo. JM :::-::: From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 7104 Return-Path: X-Sender: jeanmartignon@minitel.net X-Apparently-To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_2_1); 13 Oct 2002 15:06:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 80468 invoked from network); 13 Oct 2002 15:06:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Oct 2002 15:06:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp4-out.minitel.net) (193.252.91.37) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Oct 2002 15:06:47 -0000 Received: from gmvtx1 (gmailvtx1.globalmail.net [192.168.220.100]) by smtp4-out.minitel.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 6640793; Sun, 13 Oct 2002 17:06:46 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from 67726324435 by minitel.net with X25; Sun, 13 Oct 2002 17:06:46 +0200 (METDST) To: "IDOSTAB" Cc: "IDOLISTO" , "IDOLISTO" Subject: Horizoume gia panta MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <20021013150646.6640793@smtp4-out.minitel.net> Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2002 17:06:46 +0200 (MET DST) From: "JEAN MARTIGNON" Reply-To: jeanmartignon@minitel.net X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=22985400 Yen kara s-ro Takata, me fine trovis la traduko di : Horizoume gia panta, n= am la litero Xi, Chi o Ghi esas desfacile transkribebla, en ica kazo ol pro= nuncesas quale la Germana ach-laut. Ico signifikas : Ni konocos (o ni savos= ) por sempre. Me konjektas ke ico esas kombato- o lukto-kanto da rezistanti= kontre la Turka opresado kande l'insulo Kreta okupesis dal Turki e qui pre= paras su afrontar la morto. Dum ica okupado la Kretani kombatis senfine kon= tre la Turki e ne volis submisesar a l'islamani. La temo esas ankore aktual= a. JM :::-::: From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 7105 Return-Path: X-Sender: ido.info@chello.nl X-Apparently-To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_2_1); 13 Oct 2002 15:12:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 88605 invoked from network); 13 Oct 2002 15:12:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Oct 2002 15:12:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO amsfep14-int.chello.nl) (213.46.243.22) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Oct 2002 15:12:36 -0000 Received: from stuifbergen ([24.132.24.215]) by amsfep14-int.chello.nl (InterMail vM.5.01.03.06 201-253-122-118-106-20010523) with SMTP id <20021013151233.XQVJ1274.amsfep14-int.chello.nl@stuifbergen> for ; Sun, 13 Oct 2002 17:12:33 +0200 Message-ID: <022901c272cb$4ce68ae0$d7188418@a2000.nl> To: References: <20021013144746.33FE593@smtp4-out.minitel.net> Subject: Re: [ido] Temo : Televiziono en Grekia Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2002 17:14:55 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "Hans Stuifbergen" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=22974939 X-Yahoo-Profile: ido_info Kara Jean, Se on deziras sparar pekunio, on irez a Nederlando, ube omna filmi e televizionala programi parolata en altra linguo kam la Nederlandana, es subtextizita. Do, ultre lernar l' Angla (la maxim granda nombro de produkturi cinemala e televizionala es Usana e Britana), on anke povas lernar altra lingui stranjera per la televiziono e filmi. Me spektis TV5, qua subtextizas sua filmi en la Franca per subtexti en la Franca, quo faciligas lernar la Franca. Ma probable pro ke koncernas produkturi Afrikana, Walona o Quebekana e do havas forta acento, ka? Ma, me konkordas kun vu ke Grekia es multe plu bela ed exotika regiono kam Nederlando, por lernar l' Angla. Saluti amikala, Hans St. -- nova: ARTHUR RIMBAUD, biografio, 75 pag., 3,50 euri http://www.angelfire.com/id/Avance/TiaListo1.html IDO, LA LINGUO INTERNACIONA http://members.tripod.com/~avancigado http://www.idolinguo.com/ Ido, linguo neutra inter diferanta kulturi From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 7106 Return-Path: X-Sender: jeanmartignon@minitel.net X-Apparently-To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_2_1); 13 Oct 2002 17:02:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 63548 invoked from network); 13 Oct 2002 17:02:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Oct 2002 17:02:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp4-out.minitel.net) (193.252.91.37) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Oct 2002 17:02:04 -0000 Received: from gmvtx2 (gmailvtx2.globalmail.net [192.168.220.101]) by smtp4-out.minitel.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 0B9A0A0 for ; Sun, 13 Oct 2002 19:02:04 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from 69212384135 by minitel.net with X25; Sun, 13 Oct 2002 19:02:04 +0200 (METDST) To: "IDOLISTO" Subject: Acenti MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <20021013170204.0B9A0A0@smtp4-out.minitel.net> Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2002 19:02:04 +0200 (MET DST) From: "JEAN MARTIGNON" Reply-To: jeanmartignon@minitel.net X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=22985400 Kara Hans, Koncerne la acenti dil France-parolanta landi dependas. Existas= Quebekiani qui parolas France sen acento, la plumulta esas tre facile komp= renebla, ma en regioni rurala od en ula urbeti povas esar ke li parolas dia= lekto nekomprenebla por ni. Me memoras ke duadek e kin yari ante nun, me vi= zitis cinemo kun Quebekiana filmo. La ceno eventis en rurala regiono. Quank= am la homi parolis France me komprenis nulo, nam lia dialekto esis nekompre= nebla por me. Ma la plumulta Quebekiani parolas linguo quan ni facile kompr= enas malgre aparta acento. Lo esas sama por la Waloni. Me komprenas sen irg= a desfacilaji s-ro Bol, e me opinionas ke por li subtituli ne bezonesas. Ko= ncerne la Afrikani, yes ! La Franca esas por li stranjera linguo quin li ne= bone dominacas. Tamen esas notinda ke la alta klasani dil anciena koloniala= landi di Francia parolas ofte plu bone la Franca kam la plumulta Franci, n= am li lernis sorgoze la pura klasika Franca linguo en la maxim bona skoli. = Forsan esas same por la ex-koloniala landi di Nederlando e di Anglia. Kordi= ale. JM :::-::: From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 7108 Return-Path: X-Sender: bebson@k3.dion.ne.jp X-Apparently-To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_2_1); 13 Oct 2002 20:44:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 49028 invoked from network); 13 Oct 2002 20:44:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Oct 2002 20:44:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO kfep02.dion.ne.jp) (203.181.105.164) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Oct 2002 20:44:31 -0000 Received: from Ido ([218.222.69.138]) by kfep02.dion.ne.jp with SMTP id <20021013204428336.YKWQ@kfep02.dion.ne.jp>; Mon, 14 Oct 2002 05:44:28 +0900 X-My-Real-Login-Name: a377322940; mail.k3.dion.ne.jp MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Denshin 8 Go V32.1.3.1; sp2 Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 05:45:50 +0900 To: IdoListo , IdoStab Subject: Khorizume y(i)a panda Message-Id: <20021013204428336.YKWQ@kfep02.dion.ne.jp> From: "Bebson Y. TAKATA" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=94318719 X-Yahoo-Profile: idiotisto ============================================== Sro Jean MARTIGNON: La Greki yes posedas [kh]. ============================================== >Me fine trovis la traduko di : Horizoume gia >panta, nam la litero Xi, Chi o Ghi [kh] esas >desfacile transkribebla, en ica kazo ol pro- >nuncesas quale la Germana ach-laut. Ico sig- >nifikas : Ni konocos (o ni savos) por sempre. Co rimemorigas da BYT, hucpozo*, ke lu chanjas sua "kh"ucpa a formo Idale aceptebla "h"ucpo*. Forsan, en la "chefa lando" di Grekia la frazo ma povus signifikar: Ni separas/os por sempre. >Tamen esas notinda ke la alta klasani dil an- >ciena koloniala landi di Francia parolas ofte >plu bone la Franca kam la plumulta Franci..., >nam li lernis sorgoze la pura klasika Franca >linguo en la maxim bona skoli. >Forsan esas same por la ex-koloniala landi di >Nederlando e di Anglia. Multa olda Taiwanani ofte parolas e skribas la Japona plu bela ed autentika kam la Japoniana- Japona - aktuale uzata en la landi di Japonia. ---------------------------------------------- Adio! Sincere vua/via/tua - Bebson Y. TAKATA - Idisto ed Idiotisto pro mea limitizita edukado ed anke Ido-Kavaliero e shinko-aktoro fola che Teatro FilozofiAChala di Hucpoz Zen-DaoismACho Ido-Skolo : NovAlfabeto di la linguo Esperanto http://groups.yahoo.com/group/idoskolo/ http://www.geocities.com/bebsonido/ http://www.geocities.com/novalfabeto/ ---------------------------------------------- From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 7109 Return-Path: X-Sender: ido.info@chello.nl X-Apparently-To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_2_1); 13 Oct 2002 21:39:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 42695 invoked from network); 13 Oct 2002 21:39:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Oct 2002 21:39:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO amsfep16-int.chello.nl) (213.46.243.26) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Oct 2002 21:39:30 -0000 Received: from stuifbergen ([24.132.24.215]) by amsfep16-int.chello.nl (InterMail vM.5.01.03.06 201-253-122-118-106-20010523) with SMTP id <20021013213929.IKHP1247.amsfep16-int.chello.nl@stuifbergen> for ; Sun, 13 Oct 2002 23:39:29 +0200 Message-ID: <025701c27301$5c1162c0$d7188418@a2000.nl> To: References: <20021013204428336.YKWQ@kfep02.dion.ne.jp> Subject: Re: [ido] Khorizume y(i)a panda Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2002 23:41:58 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "Hans Stuifbergen" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=22974939 X-Yahoo-Profile: ido_info Aha, do to chanjas omno! Nur un litero qua mankis, quo igis mea cerebro dolorar: "acetar... acetar...acetar..." Me pensis pri l' Esperanta "acheti", ma to ne sencigis l' afero. Tamen, stranje quale la manko di un simpla litero povas impedar bona kompreno, quankam ne sempre. Pro quo l' una foyo on povas solvar la maxim desfacila enigmato di mankanta literi ed altrafoye ne povas pensar pri la posibleso di un mankanta litero. Danko amiko, anke pro la klarigo di chanjo de kh-ucpa* aden hucpa*. "Kh"-soni es tre facile riproduktebla por Nederlandani (cetere, ube on trovas en la dicionarii: "gotspe"). Saluti amikala, Hans St. -- nova: ARTHUR RIMBAUD, biografio, 75 pag., 3,50 euri http://www.angelfire.com/id/Avance/TiaListo1.html IDO, LA LINGUO INTERNACIONA http://members.tripod.com/~avancigado http://www.idolinguo.com/ Ido, linguo neutra inter diferanta kulturi From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 7110 Return-Path: X-Sender: bebson@k3.dion.ne.jp X-Apparently-To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_2_1); 13 Oct 2002 22:55:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 14847 invoked from network); 13 Oct 2002 22:55:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Oct 2002 22:55:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO kfep01.dion.ne.jp) (203.181.105.163) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Oct 2002 22:55:25 -0000 Received: from Ido ([218.222.69.221]) by kfep01.dion.ne.jp with SMTP id <20021013225522960.EII@kfep01.dion.ne.jp> for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2002 07:55:22 +0900 X-My-Real-Login-Name: a377322940; mail.k3.dion.ne.jp MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Denshin 8 Go V32.1.3.1; sp2 Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 07:56:48 +0900 To: IdoListo Subject: acetebla? -> acePtebla Message-Id: <20021013225522960.EII@kfep01.dion.ne.jp> From: "Bebson Y. TAKATA" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=94318719 X-Yahoo-Profile: idiotisto ============================================== Sro Hans STUIFBERGEN: Alas [kh] mankas en Ido. ============================================== >Aha, do to chanjas omno! // Yes, yes, advere! >Nur un litero qua mankis, quo igis mea cerebro >dolorar: "acetar... acetar...acetar... " Me >pensis pri l'Esperanta "acheti", (BYT ne esas >Esperantisto...), ma to ne sencigis l' afero. Forsan me esis Portugalano kande me skribis la vorto acetebla vice ace"p"tebla, pro ke mankas "p" anke en la Portugalana aceita'vel(aceitar) por aceptebla(aceptar). Tamen BYT posedas "p"! Acetebla ne esas aceptebla kompreneble en Ido. >Danko amiko, anke pro la klarigo di chanjo de >kh-ucpa* aden hucpa*. "Kh"-soni es tre facile >riproduktebla [ed audebla] por Nederlandani. Tamen la Japoni ne bone pronuncas [kh], dum ke [kh] esas facila sono por BYT ed Nederlandani. Alas(Ho, ve!). La sono [kh] mankas en Ido. ^_^ ---------------------------------------------- Adio! Sincere vua/via/tua - Bebson Y. TAKATA - Idisto ed Idiotisto pro mea limitizita edukado ed anke Ido-Kavaliero e shinko-aktoro fola che Teatro FilozofiAChala di Hucpoz Zen-DaoismACho Ido-Skolo : NovAlfabeto di la linguo Esperanto http://groups.yahoo.com/group/idoskolo/ http://www.geocities.com/bebsonido/ http://www.geocities.com/novalfabeto/ ---------------------------------------------- From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 7111 Return-Path: X-Sender: idojc@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_2_1); 14 Oct 2002 09:46:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 87486 invoked from network); 14 Oct 2002 09:46:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Oct 2002 09:46:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.17.105) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Oct 2002 09:46:59 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 14 Oct 2002 02:46:59 -0700 Received: from 195.166.69.187 by lw11fd.law11.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 14 Oct 2002 09:46:56 GMT To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: [ido] atachuri Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 09:46:56 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Oct 2002 09:46:59.0413 (UTC) FILETIME=[A3F0F050:01C27366] From: "James Chandler" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=24528831 X-Yahoo-Profile: idojc Kara Hans Che YahooGroups on povas nur permisar o interdiktar omna atachuri. Me opinionas ke habitante nun murizita gardeno, ni darfas sendar atachuri a la listo se ni volas. Ni povas kontrolar precize ti qui eniras nia gardeno. Me propozas experimental permiso di atachuri dum du semani. Se nula problemi eventos dum ta periodo, ni povos durar la permiso. Kordiale, James Chandler idojc@hotmail.com http://www.geocities.com/idojc - IALs index http://www.geocities.com/idojc/yindex.html - Ido index http://groups.yahoo.com/group/idolisto - Idolisto home "Mi veni de lande ki kel non ja eksista." - J. Craveirinha _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 7112 Return-Path: X-Sender: idojc@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_2_1); 14 Oct 2002 13:39:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 56817 invoked from network); 14 Oct 2002 13:39:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Oct 2002 13:39:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.17.87) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Oct 2002 13:39:57 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 14 Oct 2002 06:39:57 -0700 Received: from 195.166.69.187 by lw11fd.law11.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 14 Oct 2002 13:39:57 GMT To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Probo: atachuro Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 13:39:57 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Oct 2002 13:39:57.0358 (UTC) FILETIME=[2F7214E0:01C27387] From: "James Chandler" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=24528831 X-Yahoo-Profile: idojc Me atachas probo-dokumento. Kordiale, James Chandler idojc@hotmail.com http://www.geocities.com/idojc - IALs index http://www.geocities.com/idojc/yindex.html - Ido index http://groups.yahoo.com/group/idolisto - Idolisto home "Mi veni de lande ki kel non ja eksista." - J. Craveirinha _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 7113 Return-Path: X-Sender: idojc@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_2_1); 14 Oct 2002 13:41:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 60484 invoked from network); 14 Oct 2002 13:41:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Oct 2002 13:41:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.17.8) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Oct 2002 13:41:42 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 14 Oct 2002 06:41:42 -0700 Received: from 195.166.69.187 by lw11fd.law11.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 14 Oct 2002 13:41:41 GMT To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Probo: atachuro (2) Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 13:41:41 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_76b9_170_164b" Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Oct 2002 13:41:42.0270 (UTC) FILETIME=[6DFA61E0:01C27387] From: "James Chandler" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=24528831 X-Yahoo-Profile: idojc ------=_NextPart_000_76b9_170_164b Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Me atachas probo-dokumento. Kordiale, James Chandler idojc@hotmail.com http://www.geocities.com/idojc - IALs index http://www.geocities.com/idojc/yindex.html - Ido index http://groups.yahoo.com/group/idolisto - Idolisto home "Mi veni de lande ki kel non ja eksista." - J. Craveirinha _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------=_NextPart_000_76b9_170_164b-- From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 7114 Return-Path: X-Sender: jeanmartignon@minitel.net X-Apparently-To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_2_1); 14 Oct 2002 20:58:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 2659 invoked from network); 14 Oct 2002 20:58:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Oct 2002 20:58:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp5-out.minitel.net) (193.252.91.38) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Oct 2002 20:58:25 -0000 Received: from gmvtx2 (gmailvtx2.globalmail.net [192.168.220.101]) by smtp5-out.minitel.net (Postfix) with SMTP id ED15C13696; Mon, 14 Oct 2002 22:58:24 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from 69343370435 by minitel.net with X25; Mon, 14 Oct 2002 22:58:24 +0200 (METDST) To: "IDOSTAB" Cc: "IDOLISTO" , "Marion Kasper" , "Manfred Magin" , "IH" , "CEZARO" Subject: Diala jurnaleto (14.X.02) Lundie MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <20021014205824.ED15C13696@smtp5-out.minitel.net> Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 22:58:24 +0200 (MET DST) From: "JEAN MARTIGNON" Reply-To: jeanmartignon@minitel.net X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=22985400 Dio di santa Justus DIO-PROVERBO :- Fazeolo pos fazeolo pleneskas la sako.= VETERO :- Griza vetero, cajorne, en Francilia. KONCIZE :- RUSIA : Atento= en Grozny - ALJERIA : Mortigera inundi - INDIA : Fanatika pastoro produkta= s perturbaji. ---------------------------------------- RUSIA :- Explozo e= n militistala konstrukturo ---------------------------------------- Exploz= o en konstrukturo dil militistala komanderio di Grozny efektigis, hiere, la= morto di un militisto. Jovdie, bombo kun tre forta efiko, qua versimile po= zesis da amiko dil Checheniana rebeli e qua infiltresis inter la Chechenian= a policani favoroza a Rusia, ja produktabis duadek e du mortinti e non vund= iti che komisariareyo policala en Grozny. --------------------------------= -------- ALJERIA :- Inundi efektigas quar mortinti -----------------------= ----------------- Quar personi mortis, venerdie, lor inundi produktita da = diluviala pluvi en Hamma e Butaleb, en la regiono di Setif (300 km este de = Aljer) segun raporto dal diala jurnalo AL WATAN (LA PATRIO). Merkurdie, ja = non personi mortigesis e un altra deklaresis kom desaparinta, pro ke li for= portesis da "wed"-i (lokala rivereti) dum lia acenso en la regioni di Batna= e Biskra (ye 450 km de Aljer, cirkume). ---------------------------------= ------- INDIA :- Extremista pastoro produktas sedicii --------------------= -------------------- Non personi ocidesis ed 100 vundesis depos venerdie, = en Solipur (west-India) pos violentaji inter islamani ed Hinduisti. Ico efe= ktigesis pro la deklari da Usana pastoro qua qualifikis la profeto Muhammad= kom "teroristo". India esas lojata da plu kam 130 milion islamani (12,5 pr= ocent de la lojantaro kontre 82 procent de Hinduisti) qui esas la decendant= i di familii selektinta restar en India pos la partigo di 1947, e qui gener= ale bone partoprenis la multetna e multareligia socio ante la acenso dil Hi= nduista extremismo dum la yari 1990. ALTRA TITULI - FINLANDO : Misterio c= irkondas l'atento di Helsinki. - INDONEZIA :Indonezia perdis lua paradizo,= l'atento efektigis 190 mortinti, cirkume e plu kam 300 vunditi. - AUSTRAL= IA : Australiana punisi kontre Zimbabwe. Kordiala saluti ad omni. JM :::= -::: From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 7115 Return-Path: X-Sender: ido.info@chello.nl X-Apparently-To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_2_1); 14 Oct 2002 21:47:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 88091 invoked from network); 14 Oct 2002 21:47:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Oct 2002 21:47:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO amsfep12-int.chello.nl) (213.46.243.18) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Oct 2002 21:47:32 -0000 Received: from stuifbergen ([24.132.24.215]) by amsfep12-int.chello.nl (InterMail vM.5.01.03.06 201-253-122-118-106-20010523) with SMTP id <20021014214730.MMCX1261.amsfep12-int.chello.nl@stuifbergen>; Mon, 14 Oct 2002 23:47:30 +0200 Message-ID: <010301c273cb$a6ace820$d7188418@a2000.nl> To: "idolisto" , "idostab" Subject: Paco e Milito Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 23:49:54 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "Hans Stuifbergen" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=22974939 X-Yahoo-Profile: ido_info Hodie ni es ye punto di desequilibreso en la mondo e ni es movanta vers to quo povez esar la komenco di Triesma Milito Mondal. 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Geissendoerfer, K^ln ,Germany 473) Holger Fath, Cologne, Germany 474) Carlo Peters, Cologne, Germany 475) Lothar Hempel, Cologne 476) Matti Braun, Cologne 477) Hans Stuifbergen, Amsterdam ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- IDO, LA LINGUO INTERNACIONA http://members.tripod.com/~avancigado http://www.idolinguo.com/ Ido, linguo neutra inter diferanta kulturi From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 7116 Return-Path: X-Sender: mtw@birdseye.view.net.au X-Apparently-To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_2_1); 15 Oct 2002 03:10:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 34247 invoked from network); 15 Oct 2002 03:10:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Oct 2002 03:10:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chameleon.view.net.au) (203.87.111.154) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Oct 2002 03:10:35 -0000 Received: from chameleon.view.net.au (mtw@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chameleon.view.net.au (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g9F3AW9f000547 for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 12:40:32 +0930 Received: from localhost (mtw@localhost) by chameleon.view.net.au (8.12.2/8.12.2/Submit) with ESMTP id g9F3AWov000544 for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 12:40:32 +0930 X-Authentication-Warning: chameleon.view.net.au: mtw owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 12:40:32 +0930 (CST) X-X-Sender: mtw@chameleon.view.net.au To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ido] Khorizume y(i)a panda In-Reply-To: <025701c27301$5c1162c0$d7188418@a2000.nl> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Michael Talbot-Wilson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=8823137 Ye 2002-10-13 23:41 +0200, Hans Stuifbergen skribis: > Aha, do to chanjas omno! Nur un litero qua mankis, quo igis mea cerebro > dolorar: "acetar... acetar...acetar..." Me pensis pri l' Esperanta "acheti", > ma to ne sencigis l' afero. > > Tamen, stranje quale la manko di un simpla litero povas impedar bona > kompreno, quankam ne sempre. Pro quo l' una foyo on povas solvar la maxim > desfacila enigmato di mankanta literi ed altrafoye ne povas pensar pri la > posibleso di un mankanta litero. Forsan plu desfacila pro ke existas liquido qua esas acetata. Vera vorto subtile uzita, forsan (tale on povas pensir). Amikale, Michael Talbot-Wilson From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 7117 Return-Path: X-Sender: frank.kasper@genion.de X-Apparently-To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_2_1); 15 Oct 2002 07:53:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 32028 invoked from network); 15 Oct 2002 07:53:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Oct 2002 07:53:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO wmpmta02-app.mail-store.com) (194.73.242.4) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Oct 2002 07:53:41 -0000 Received: from privataoerzkq7 ([212.114.239.5]) by wmpmta02-app.mail-store.com with ESMTP id <20021015075340.TSER6966.wmpmta02-app.mail-store.com@privataoerzkq7> for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 08:53:40 +0100 Message-ID: <002301c2741f$f961ce60$fd54fea9@privataoerzkq7> To: References: Subject: Re: [ido] Atachuri Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 09:44:23 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 From: "Frank Kasper" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=85865282 X-Yahoo-Profile: fkasper2002 Kara James! Pro ke me havas gasti de Italia me ne havas multa tempo por sk= ribar mesaji duminstante. Pro to me nur volas konfirmar, ke me aprobas la = agado da vu relate la permiso sendar atachuri ad "Idolisto". Kordiale salu= tante Frank frank.kasper@idolinguo.de From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 7118 Return-Path: X-Sender: mtw@birdseye.view.net.au X-Apparently-To: idolisto@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_2_1); 15 Oct 2002 12:46:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 29146 invoked from network); 15 Oct 2002 12:46:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Oct 2002 12:46:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chameleon.view.net.au) (203.87.111.154) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Oct 2002 12:46:13 -0000 Received: from chameleon.view.net.au (mtw@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chameleon.view.net.au (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g9FCkA4l001032 for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 22:16:10 +0930 Received: from localhost (mtw@localhost) by chameleon.view.net.au (8.12.2/8.12.2/Submit) with ESMTP id g9FCk9xt001029 for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 22:16:10 +0930 X-Authentication-Warning: chameleon.view.net.au: mtw owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 22:16:09 +0930 (CST) X-X-Sender: mtw@chameleon.view.net.au To: Ido Listo Subject: Anciena Britania Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Michael Talbot-Wilson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=8823137 Kara amiki, Me lektis interesanta la artiklo da Sro STEVENSON, "Angli e Walsani", en la Letro Internaciona sendita per e-posto (a la listo) da Sro MARTIGNON, quan me dankas. La Baski forsan esis la aborijena raso di la toteso di Europa, pulsita vers la westo da la Kelti qui remplasis li generale en Europa, ed ipse, plu tarde, esis ulaparte ekpulsata da altra rasi, forsan la maxim frua Germani, Etruriani e Romani. Mem plu tarde la Kelti di kontinenta Europa esis preske tote efacata da la Goti e Franci, transvivanta en mikra regioni apud la westala maro, Bretonia e Galisia. Irgakaze la Baska regiono esis cirkondata da Kelta regiono en la historiala epoko. Do tala ligeso ne devas astonar. Se me ne eroras, "Welish" signifikis strangera en la linguo di la invadinta Angli. Ma la Romani nomizis la nuna Wals "Cambria", qua similesas "Cumri"/"Camri", la nomo di la lando o raso en la indijena linguo. Anke esis la homi de Britania qui konstruktis Stonehenge, la megalita populo, qua mustas esir plu frua kam la Baski. Kad irgu savas quante anciena Stonehenge esas? Amikale, Michael Talbot-Wilson From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 7119 Return-Path: X-Sender: mtw@birdseye.view.net.au X-Apparently-To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_2_1); 15 Oct 2002 12:57:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 22035 invoked from network); 15 Oct 2002 12:57:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Oct 2002 12:57:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chameleon.view.net.au) (203.87.111.154) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Oct 2002 12:57:19 -0000 Received: from chameleon.view.net.au (mtw@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chameleon.view.net.au (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g9FCvG4l001057 for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 22:27:16 +0930 Received: from localhost (mtw@localhost) by chameleon.view.net.au (8.12.2/8.12.2/Submit) with ESMTP id g9FCvG8E001054 for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 22:27:16 +0930 X-Authentication-Warning: chameleon.view.net.au: mtw owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 22:27:16 +0930 (CST) X-X-Sender: mtw@chameleon.view.net.au To: Ido Listo Subject: Re: [ido] Anciena Britania In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Michael Talbot-Wilson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=8823137 Ye 2002-10-15 22:16 +0930, Michael Talbot-Wilson skribis: > Irgakaze la Baska regiono esis cirkondata da Kelta regiono en la > historiala epoko. Do tala ligeso ne devas astonar. Me intencis la *geneala ligeso inter la Kelti e Baski pri qua Sro STEVENSON skribis. --M From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 7120 Return-Path: X-Sender: jbol@belgacom.net X-Apparently-To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_2_1); 15 Oct 2002 13:32:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 54718 invoked from network); 15 Oct 2002 13:32:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Oct 2002 13:32:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO durendal.skynet.be) (195.238.3.91) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Oct 2002 13:32:04 -0000 Received: from gc372349 (243.152-4-62.powered-by.skynet.be [62.4.152.243]) by durendal.skynet.be (8.11.6/8.11.6/Skynet-OUT-2.20) with SMTP id g9FDVw029028 for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 15:31:58 +0200 (MET DST) (envelope-from ) Message-ID: <000a01c27450$49bb1bc0$f398043e@gc372349> To: "idolisto" Subject: Uppsala Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 15:38:55 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0007_01C27460.F8A46140" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 From: "Bol Jacques" Reply-To: "Bol Jacques" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=43402704 ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C27460.F8A466140 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Wavre( Belgia),15.10.02 A sioro Kjell Rehnstrom, Vidante ke vu esas Uppsala= no,me memoras l'agreabla ed entuziasmoza dii quin me juis en vua urbo lor = l'Internaciona Ido-konfero en 1979, de la 15ma til la 20ma di agosto (do 6= dii). Akompanata da mea spozino e da Franz Regnier (mea bofrato, qua ibe d= ivenis idisto)ed elua spozino, qui preske ye la lasta instanto remplasabis= le Juste (subite en mala stando), ni atingabis Uppsala per automobilo pos = vehado tra Germania e Dania. La konfero organizesis da Axel Rylander de Ban= dhagen (qua esis editero di revueto "Komuniki") e Hellmut R=F6hnisch de =D6= rebro (qua divenis pose prezidanto di ULI); ni lojis en edifico di la Insti= tucuro Studentstaden, an Sernandersv=E4gen, Flogsta, ube ni disponis de stu= dentala chambri, komfortoza ed anke kunveno-chambri. La konfero-loko esis l= a Universitato (la lora prezidanto Henry Jacob tre prizis ke l'Ido-konferi= eventez en kulturala loki- l'antea konfero en 1978 eventabis en l'Univers= itato di Cambridge,Anglia). Danke frequa autobusi, facile e rapide de la lo= jeyo, ni atingis la konfereyo oficala en l'Universitato. Partoprenis bona t= riadeko de idisti ed interesati, inter altri sat multa evoza Suisa idisti = qui nun preske omni esas mortinta. Asistis anke kelka Suedani ultre le du j= a citita,fakte amiki di H. R=F6hnisch ed invitita da lu, membri di la Sueda= Ido-Federuro, qui desfortunoze ne parolis o komprenis l'idolinguo. Tamen n= i havis okaziono renkontrar dum ta konfero, Polona refujinto en Suedia, Mi= roslaw Wiechowski qua esis interlinguisto quale Don Gasper, to esas lu paro= lis fluante omna lingui internaciona, ido inkluzata. Ni esis omni tre admir= anta pri lua "fluanteso" e lua doto di lingui; il vizitigis a ni Uppsala en= omna domeni e parti; specale me memoras lua diskurso koram runala stoni. I= l desaparis de nia rondo idista pos ta konfero ma plu tarde, me informesis = ke il divenis aktiva en l'Interligue-movemento; tamen me questionas me quo(= n) il esas diveninta (forsan il rajuntis la nova Polonia o....pro quo ne, = USA !!) Ni exkursis kompreneble a Stockholm ( urbodomo, "Vasa" e repastis e= n l'altega turmo Kakn=E4s). L'ante-lasta jorno, l'organizeri aranjabis auto= bus-turo tra Uppsala - anciena centro dil urbo, la kastelo, la katedralo, l= a biblioteko universitatal; me memoras anke ke ni vizitis en la cirkumajo,= bela mikra ligna kirko meze di kolini (monteti). To esis marveloza sejorno= tante plu ke la vetero dum la sis dii, esis bela e varma, sucedinta a kold= a e pluvoza Sueda somero, segun lo dicita de l'Uppsalani e specale da nia g= uidero Wiechowski. Vua urbo , kara Kjell, esas vere bela ed atraktiva urbo;= ni konservas neperisebla memoro di ol ,ligita al tre amikala atmosfero qua= regnis dum la konfero 1979. Jacques Bol. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C27460.F8A466140 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =
Wavre( Belgia),15.10.02
A sioro Kjell Rehnstrom,
Vidante ke vu esas Uppsalano,me memoras l'agreabla ed entuziasmoza di= i
quin me juis en vua urbo lor l'Internac= iona Ido-konfero en 1979, de la 15ma til
la 20ma di agosto (do 6 dii).
Akompanata = da mea spozino e da Franz Regnier (mea bofrato, qua ibe divenis
idisto)ed elua spozino, qui preske ye la lasta inst= anto remplasabis le Juste
(subite en mala= stando), ni atingabis Uppsala per automobilo pos ve= hado tra
Germania e Dania.
La konfero organizesis da Axel Rylander de Bandhagen (qua= esis editero di
revueto "Komuniki") e He= llmut R=F6hnisch de =D6rebro (qua divenis pose prezidanto
di ULI); ni lojis en edifico di la Institucuro Studentstad= en, an Sernandersv=E4gen,
Flogsta, ube ni= disponis de studentala chambri, komfortoza ed anke kunveno-chambri.<= /FONT>
La konfero-loko esis la Universitato (la l= ora prezidanto Henry Jacob tre prizis ke
l'Ido-konferi eventez en kulturala loki- l'antea konfero en 1978 eventabi= s en
l'Universitato di Cambridge,Anglia).=
Danke frequa autobusi, facile e rapi= de de la lojeyo, ni atingis la konfereyo oficala
en l'Universitato. Partoprenis bona triadeko de idisti ed interesa= ti, inter altri sat
multa  evoza Suisa idisti qui nun preske omni esas mortinta.
Asistis anke kelka Suedani ultre le du ja cit= ita,fakte amiki di H. R=F6hnisch ed invitita
da lu, membri di la Sueda Ido-Federuro, qui desfortunoze ne parolis o= komprenis
l'idolinguo. Tamen ni havis oka= ziono renkontrar dum ta konfero, Polona refujinto
en Suedia, Miroslaw Wiechowski qua esis interlinguisto quale Don= Gasper, to esas
lu parolis fluante omna l= ingui internaciona, ido inkluzata.
Ni esi= s omni tre admiranta pri lua "fluanteso" e lua doto di lingui; il vizitigi= s a ni
Uppsala en omna domeni e parti= ; specale me memoras lua diskurso koram runala
stoni. Il desaparis de nia rondo idista pos ta konfero ma plu tarde,= me informesis
ke il divenis aktiva en l'I= nterligue-movemento; tamen me questionas me quo(n) il
<= FONT size=3D2>esas diveninta (forsan il rajuntis la nova Polonia o....pro = quo ne, USA !!)
Ni exkursis kompreneble a = Stockholm ( urbodomo, "Vasa" e repastis en l'altega
turmo Kakn=E4s). L'ante-lasta jorno, l'organizeri aranjabis aut= obus-turo tra Uppsala -
anciena centro dil= urbo, la kastelo, la katedralo, la biblioteko universitatal; me memoras <= /FONT>
anke ke ni vizitis en la cirkumajo, bela m= ikra ligna kirko meze di kolini (monteti).
To esis marveloza sejorno tante plu ke la vetero dum la sis dii, esis be= la e varma,
sucedinta a kolda e pluvoza Su= eda somero, segun lo dicita de l'Uppsalani e specale
da nia guidero Wiechowski.
Vua= urbo , kara Kjell, esas vere bela ed atraktiva urbo; ni konservas neperis= ebla memoro
di ol ,ligita al tre amikala a= tmosfero qua regnis dum la konfero 1979.
= Jacques Bol.
------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C27460.F8A466140-- From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 7121 Return-Path: X-Sender: ido.info@chello.nl X-Apparently-To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_2_1); 15 Oct 2002 19:23:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 65960 invoked from network); 15 Oct 2002 19:23:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Oct 2002 19:23:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO amsfep16-int.chello.nl) (213.46.243.26) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Oct 2002 19:23:37 -0000 Received: from stuifbergen ([24.132.24.215]) by amsfep16-int.chello.nl (InterMail vM.5.01.03.06 201-253-122-118-106-20010523) with SMTP id <20021015192336.HRGP1247.amsfep16-int.chello.nl@stuifbergen> for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 21:23:36 +0200 Message-ID: <007601c27480$b7ee9f60$d7188418@a2000.nl> To: "idolisto" Subject: Esido ed Esasido Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 21:26:10 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "Hans Stuifbergen" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=22974939 X-Yahoo-Profile: ido_info David Weston skribis: "Me pensas ke la decido skribar en Esido od Esasido eventas frue en la kariero di singla Idisto, e nultempe chanjas...." Me nur opinionas ke 'es' es multe plu konvenanta kam 'esas', qua es kelke plu longa. Tamen, me joyas ke l' Akademio (me kredas ke esis lu), adoptis ta formo. Tale anke l' eliziono di la dezinenco -as, ube ne duktas a kakafonio, eroro o nekomprenebleso (quankam me ne multe ta posibleso uzas). Saluti amikala, Hans St. -- nova: ARTHUR RIMBAUD, biografio, 75 pag., 3,50 euri http://www.angelfire.com/id/Avance/TiaListo1.html IDO, LA LINGUO INTERNACIONA http://members.tripod.com/~avancigado http://www.idolinguo.com/ Ido, linguo neutra inter diferanta kulturi From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 7122 Return-Path: X-Sender: dgweston@amserve.com X-Apparently-To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_2_1); 15 Oct 2002 19:55:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 234 invoked from network); 15 Oct 2002 19:55:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Oct 2002 19:55:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail-1.amstrad.demon.net) (212.225.36.183) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Oct 2002 19:55:53 -0000 Received: from pr-du-212.225.40.251.amstrad.demon.net (pr-du-212.225.40.251.amstrad.demon.net [212.225.40.251]) by mail-1.amstrad.demon.net (Mirapoint) with SMTP id ADC04289; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 20:55:50 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <200210151955.ADC04289@mail-1.amstrad.demon.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Subject: Bali Date: 15 Oct 2002 20:55:49 +0100 From: "David G Weston" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=112389959 Pri la recenta terorist-atako en Bali. Esas ankore multa informeso ye TV e radio en Britania pri la explozi en Bali e la rezultanta morti e sufradi. La populi di Bali kredis ke tala evento esus neposibla. La rikonocado di la mortinti lente procedas. Adminime 180 personi esas mortinta e centi vundita. La plu multa de li venis de Australia; on komentas ke esas la maxim multa Australiani mortinta, pro un evento, depos la duesma mondo-milito. Ol esas la "9-11 di Australia". Ni saveskas ke cirkumi 30 mortinta venis de Britania. La TV hike hodie montris Britana turisti, jus retroveninta de Bali e forsan vundita, qui havas naraci pri hororinda experienci; altri parolas pri parenti mortinta. Ca posdimeze, la chefa ministro Tony Blair donis urjo-raporto a la parlamento: il dicis ke la evento esis "ago di pura maligneso" e, egarde terorismo en la mondo, il avertis ke la minaco por omni omnube esas reala. Grupi existas ke "volas krear mondo di kaoso e desordino, en qua landi e religii interkombatas por hegemonio...." Nunatempe, il konsideras proskriptar la Indoneziana grupo Jemaah Islamiyah, qua, on suspektas, esas la grupo implikata en la hororindajo en Bali. David Weston -- Chat online anytime at AMSCHAT - www.amschat.com From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 7123 Return-Path: X-Sender: jeanmartignon@minitel.net X-Apparently-To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_2_1); 15 Oct 2002 19:58:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 30758 invoked from network); 15 Oct 2002 19:58:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Oct 2002 19:58:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp4-out.minitel.net) (193.252.91.37) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Oct 2002 19:58:35 -0000 Received: from gmvtx2 (gmailvtx2.globalmail.net [192.168.220.101]) by smtp4-out.minitel.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 96BBA8A; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 21:58:34 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from 69343370435 by minitel.net with X25; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 21:58:34 +0200 (METDST) To: "IDOSTAB" Cc: "IDOLISTO" , "Manfred Magin" , "IH" , "CEZARO" , "Marion Kasper" Subject: Diala jurnaleto (15.X.02) Mardie MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <20021015195834.96BBA8A@smtp4-out.minitel.net> Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 21:58:34 +0200 (MET DST) From: "JEAN MARTIGNON" Reply-To: jeanmartignon@minitel.net X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=22985400 Dio di santa Teresa DIO-PROVERBO :- A la protekto e forteso helpas la fato= . VETERO :- Griza vetero kun sunoza epizodi, cajorne, en Francilia. KONCI= ZE - NORD-IRLANDO : La paco ne ja retrovenis. - SERBIA : Elekto sen rezul= to. - UKRAINIA : Komerco kun Irak. --------------------------------------= -- NORD-IRLANDO : Frosto dil paco-proceso --------------------------------= -------- Depos un monato la krizo inter katoliki e protestanti di Nord-Irl= ando plumaleskis. Hiere por finar ica situeso sen ekireyo, la Britaniana gu= vernerio anuncis la frosto "sine die" (til altra tempo) dil lokala guverner= io e dil provinco-asemblo. Ica quaresma halto di la lokala institucuri depo= s la signaturo, dum april 1998, di paco-interkonsento, expektesas durar plu= longatempe kam le preirinta, dum ke ol eventas kom konsequo di krizo plu g= rava kam le antea. ---------------------------------------- SERBIA :- La = prezidantala elekto nevalidigesas ---------------------------------------- = Quankam il havis la plumulta voti favoroza ad il lor la duesma foyo dil pr= ezidantala elekto, sundie, Vojislav Kostunica ne povos celebrar lua vinko. = Pro indijo de votanti la votado devus nevalidigesar, nome segun la Serba el= ektala lego, la partopreno-ni=3D velo mustas atingar 50 procent de la enskr= ibiti plus un voto. Sundie esis nur 45,5 procent de votanti. Camotive, Voji= slav Kostunica qua grande superesas lua adverso Miroljub Labus per 66,6 pro= cent de la expresita voti kontre 31,5 procent mustos itere vartar la decido= dil elekteri. ---------------------------------------- UKRAINIA :- Supoz= ata vendo de radari ad Irak ---------------------------------------- Usana= e Britaniana inspekteri komencis, hiere, en Kiev, inquesto pri supozata ve= ndo de Ukrainiana radari ad Irak. Ye la fino di septembro, Washington akuza= bis prezidanto Kuchma permisir, persone, la vendo de quar radari militistal= a a Bagdad violace dil embargo da UN. ALTRA TITULI - Globo : La mondo tim= as nov ondo de terorismo. - FRANCIA : Striko dil jurnali, me redaktas mea = diala jurnaleto danke la artikleti di la gratuita jurnalo "20 minutes" (20 = minuti). - GREKIA : Nur fromajo produktita en Grekia darfas nomesar "feta"= , segun decido dal Europana Komisitaro. Kordiala saluti ad omni. JM :::-= ::: From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 7124 Return-Path: X-Sender: mtw@birdseye.view.net.au X-Apparently-To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_2_1); 15 Oct 2002 20:23:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 29206 invoked from network); 15 Oct 2002 20:23:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Oct 2002 20:23:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chameleon.view.net.au) (203.87.111.154) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Oct 2002 20:23:09 -0000 Received: from chameleon.view.net.au (mtw@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chameleon.view.net.au (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g9FKN74l002301 for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 05:53:07 +0930 Received: from localhost (mtw@localhost) by chameleon.view.net.au (8.12.2/8.12.2/Submit) with ESMTP id g9FKN6EZ002298 for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 05:53:06 +0930 X-Authentication-Warning: chameleon.view.net.au: mtw owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 05:53:06 +0930 (CST) X-X-Sender: mtw@chameleon.view.net.au To: idolisto Subject: Re: [ido] Esido ed Esasido In-Reply-To: <007601c27480$b7ee9f60$d7188418@a2000.nl> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Michael Talbot-Wilson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=8823137 Ye 2002-10-15 21:26 +0200, Hans Stuifbergen skribis: > David Weston skribis: > > "Me pensas ke la decido skribar en Esido od Esasido eventas frue en la > kariero di singla Idisto, e nultempe chanjas...." > > Me nur opinionas ke 'es' es multe plu konvenanta kam 'esas', qua es kelke > plu longa. Tamen, me joyas ke l' Akademio (me kredas ke esis lu), adoptis ta > formo. Tale anke l' eliziono di la dezinenco -as, ube ne duktas a kakafonio, > eroro o nekomprenebleso (quankam me ne multe ta posibleso uzas). La afero qua semblas a me maxim nesaja, esas docar "es", forsan per libro, forsan per autoritatoza exempli, kom la vera e prima formo, nur permisante la lernanto savar ke anke existas ula alternativo, t.e. "esas". Me ne opinionas ke la formo "esas" devas esar extingata, tale ke ni ne pluse havas reguloza linguo, ma lo esos la sola fino posibla tale. On facile povas komprenar ke esas konvenanta uzar "es" voce e ke pluri volos lo. Ma nula o tote neglijebla avantajo esas obtenebla skribe (la vorto skribesas pasable rare). Por tante mikra avantajo on agas riskoze pri la linguo. Dukteri pri olu devas skribar "esas". Se private on volas dicar o skribar "es", lo ne importas. Amikale, Michael Talbot-Wilson From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 7125 Return-Path: X-Sender: mtw@birdseye.view.net.au X-Apparently-To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_2_1); 15 Oct 2002 20:49:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 93514 invoked from network); 15 Oct 2002 20:49:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Oct 2002 20:49:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chameleon.view.net.au) (203.87.111.154) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Oct 2002 20:49:16 -0000 Received: from chameleon.view.net.au (mtw@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chameleon.view.net.au (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g9FKnE4l002368 for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 06:19:14 +0930 Received: from localhost (mtw@localhost) by chameleon.view.net.au (8.12.2/8.12.2/Submit) with ESMTP id g9FKnEqV002365 for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 06:19:14 +0930 X-Authentication-Warning: chameleon.view.net.au: mtw owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 06:19:14 +0930 (CST) X-X-Sender: mtw@chameleon.view.net.au To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ido] Bali In-Reply-To: <200210151955.ADC04289@mail-1.amstrad.demon.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Michael Talbot-Wilson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=8823137 Ye 2002-10-15 20:55 +0100, David G Weston skribis: > Pri la recenta terorist-atako en Bali. > vundita. La plu multa de li venis de Australia; on komentas ke esas > la maxim multa Australiani mortinta, pro un evento, depos la duesma > mondo-milito. Ol esas la "9-11 di Australia". Tre baroke, esis ye "10-12". Semblas ke nulu ja remarkis la 1 adicionita a la du nombri. Omni gardis pri "9-11" en ica yaro, ma ne pri ta simpla formulo. > Ni saveskas ke cirkumi 30 mortinta venis de Britania. La TV hike > hodie montris Britana turisti, jus retroveninta de Bali e forsan Yes. Semblas ke omna lando nur raportas li de sua propra naciono, ma esis adminime plura Angli, Germani ed Usani ultree. > vundita, qui havas naraci pri hororinda experienci; altri parolas > pri parenti mortinta. La maxim granda sufrado (min hororiva pri singla, ma relatonta tre plu multi) frapos la Indoneziani, pro domajo ekonomiala. Nun fine semblas ke Megawati sucios ed audacos facar ulo pri terorismo en elua lando. -- Michael Talbot-Wilson From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 7126 Return-Path: X-Sender: mtw@birdseye.view.net.au X-Apparently-To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_2_1); 15 Oct 2002 23:14:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 38707 invoked from network); 15 Oct 2002 23:14:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Oct 2002 23:14:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chameleon.view.net.au) (203.87.111.154) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Oct 2002 23:14:53 -0000 Received: from chameleon.view.net.au (mtw@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chameleon.view.net.au (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g9FNEt4H000304 for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 08:44:55 +0930 Received: from localhost (mtw@localhost) by chameleon.view.net.au (8.12.2/8.12.2/Submit) with ESMTP id g9FNEtxJ000301 for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 08:44:55 +0930 X-Authentication-Warning: chameleon.view.net.au: mtw owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 08:44:55 +0930 (CST) X-X-Sender: mtw@chameleon.view.net.au To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ido] Bali In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Michael Talbot-Wilson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=8823137 Ye 2002-10-16 06:19 +0930, Michael Talbot-Wilson skribis: > Yes. Semblas ke omna lando nur raportas li de sua propra naciono, ma > esis adminime plura Angli, Germani ed Usani ultree. Ed adminime du Japoniani, e multa Baliani. --MTW From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 7127 Return-Path: X-Sender: jeanmartignon@minitel.net X-Apparently-To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_2_1); 16 Oct 2002 17:19:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 44740 invoked from network); 16 Oct 2002 17:19:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Oct 2002 17:19:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp5-out.minitel.net) (193.252.91.38) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Oct 2002 17:19:24 -0000 Received: from gmvtx2 (gmailvtx2.globalmail.net [192.168.220.101]) by smtp5-out.minitel.net (Postfix) with SMTP id E0CFA13694 for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 19:19:22 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from 67726324435 by minitel.net with X25; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 19:19:22 +0200 (METDST) To: "IDOLISTO" Subject: Kelti MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <20021016171922.E0CFA13694@smtp5-out.minitel.net> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 19:19:22 +0200 (MET DST) From: "JEAN MARTIGNON" Reply-To: jeanmartignon@minitel.net X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=22985400 En preirinta mesajo, samideano Michael Talbot Wilson aludis pri la fakto ke= la Kelti desaparibus de Francia. Ico esas eroro. La Galli qui esis grandap= arte Kelti konquestesis dal Romani e permanis sub la Romana dominaco. Lor l= a populi-migrado dil Vma yarcento li ne desaparis nek ocidesis, nam la Fran= ka konquesteri esis nur negranda minoritato. Tale la nun existanta Franci e= sas decendanti dil Kelti kontinentala qui esis plu fortunoza kam olti dil B= ritaniana insulo. Ma on ne tro aludas pri ico, nam se on konfesus ke la Fra= nci esas Kelti, la populi quale Irlandani e Skoti perdus lia guidanta rolo = che la Kelta nacioni. Notinde ke la Franci havas en la Angla acento qua oft= e pensigas pri olta dil Irlandani o dil Skoti qui amba esas Kelta populi. J= M :::-::: From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 7128 Return-Path: X-Sender: polido@interia.pl X-Apparently-To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_2_1); 16 Oct 2002 22:35:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 15689 invoked from network); 16 Oct 2002 22:35:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Oct 2002 22:35:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO poczta.interia.pl) (217.74.65.50) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Oct 2002 22:35:11 -0000 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (naos.interia.pl [127.0.0.1]) by system.wewnetrzny9 (Mailserver) with SMTP id 98DA781FE for ; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 00:35:10 +0200 (CEST) Received: by poczta.interia.pl (Mailserver, from userid 502) id 6A0A081FC; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 00:35:10 +0200 (CEST) Received: from default (pa137.radom.cvx.ppp.tpnet.pl [213.76.71.137]) by poczta.interia.pl (Mailserver) with SMTP id 93C6E7C9B for ; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 00:35:07 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <00b001c27565$46871600$89474cd5@default> To: References: Subject: Odp: [ido] Anciena Britania Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 21:44:12 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-EMID: 6bb43abc From: "Vlado" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=98280703 Michael Talbot-Wilson skribis: >Anke esis la homi de Britania qui konstr= uktis Stonehenge, la >megalita populo, qua mustas esir plu frua kam la Bask= i. Kad irgu >savas quante anciena Stonehenge esas? "Stonehenge" o kromleh= o. Kromlehi konstruis orgi(giganti) Fomori("fomoire"). Ili venis kun sua mu= toni de Afrika tra duiminsulo Pirinea. Lo eventis proxime 2000 AK. Fomori d= um la tota sua migrado konstruis kromlehi e turmi. Pro to ni savas de-ibe i= li venis. La lasta punto ilia "voyajo" esis insulo Torinis, ube ili konstru= is "Vitrala Turmo". Vlado ----------------------------------------------= ------------------------ Kandydatka nr 21... >>> http://link.interia.pl/f16= 6d From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 7129 Return-Path: X-Sender: polido@interia.pl X-Apparently-To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_2_1); 16 Oct 2002 22:35:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 50032 invoked from network); 16 Oct 2002 22:35:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Oct 2002 22:35:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO poczta.interia.pl) (217.74.65.50) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Oct 2002 22:35:15 -0000 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (naos.interia.pl [127.0.0.1]) by system.wewnetrzny9 (Mailserver) with SMTP id 6FA6E8549 for ; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 00:35:14 +0200 (CEST) Received: by poczta.interia.pl (Mailserver, from userid 502) id 2921A8539; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 00:35:14 +0200 (CEST) Received: from default (pa137.radom.cvx.ppp.tpnet.pl [213.76.71.137]) by poczta.interia.pl (Mailserver) with SMTP id 1B0268116 for ; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 00:35:10 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <00b101c27565$4768ea80$89474cd5@default> To: References: <00d501c27089$588d9760$f8474cd5@default> <000401c27152$b582cb60$203e07d5@oemcomputer> Subject: Odp: [ido] La renkontro Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 22:09:26 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-EMID: bf543abc From: "Vlado" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=98280703 Kara Eberhard, danko pro tua mesajo. Tua pronunco "Kiyev" divenas de rus-l= ingua varianto dil urbo-nomo kun skribo "Kiev". Nun en Ukrainia la statala = linguo es la Ukraina. En la Ukraina ol pronunsesas Kiyiv(la unesma "i" esas= surda). En la Angla on nun skribas Kyiv. Ula membri dil klubo Amikeso cer= te ankore vivas. Janna probos ilin trovar. Me opinionas, ke Janna volunte = partoprenus la renkontro en Gro=DFbothen. Ma nun el esas en komplikita situ= eso e ne havos posibleso. Amikale Vlado ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >Ka= ra Vlado , >anke me tre joyas pri tua Ido-aktivesi tre laudinda. >Vere , Eu= ropan Ido-renkontro 2004 en Kiiv >( me pronuncas Ki-yev, kad juste ?) esas = tre >ecelanta ideo. Versimile on ankore trovas >anciena od olima membri dil= klubo "Amikeso" ? >Anke me volunte intencas partoprenor ye >interesiva eve= nto. Voluntez tradonar mea amikala >saluti a samideanino Janna Reunova. >K= a siorino Reunova havus anke intereso por voyajor >a Gro=DFbothen ? >Omnaka= ze me dankas kordiale tu pro l=B4 agreabla >mesajo. >Amikale - = Eberhard >eberhard.scholz@idolinguo.de -----------------------------= ------------------------------------------ Kandydatka nr 21... >>> http://li= nk.interia.pl/f166d From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 7130 Return-Path: X-Sender: tottenp@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_2_1); 17 Oct 2002 07:31:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 56796 invoked from network); 17 Oct 2002 07:31:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Oct 2002 07:31:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web12503.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.173.195) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Oct 2002 07:31:21 -0000 Message-ID: <20021017073121.43764.qmail@web12503.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [203.104.206.193] by web12503.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 08:31:21 BST Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 08:31:21 +0100 (BST) Subject: Bali To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1034753479.178.64144.m12@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Peter=20totten?= X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=30053730 X-Yahoo-Profile: tottenp Kara Ido-parolanti, David G Weston skribis: > Pri la recenta terorist-atako en Bali. > ... Ol esas la "9-11 di Australia". En pasinta yaro me vizitis Bali du foyi e promenis multafoye avan la atakita diskerio en Kuta. Kuta es turisma loko por la maxim povra turisti, ube la preci es tre basa. Pro quo teroristi elektis tala loko, vice Nusa Dua, ube la richi vakancas? Tre stranja. E plu stranja es ke li povis facar tante granda explozilo sen suspekto da policani, dum ke en altra landi altra teroristi ocidas po 2 o 3 homi. Nur La Kaida havas tala kapableso. Ka li havas tala kapableso sen tala cerebro? To es absolute nekredebla! Anke stranjesas ke 9-11 eventis matine ye 9 kloki, por ne ocidar richa kompaniestro. Omni savas ke la kompaniestri venabas pos 11 kloki. Pro quo La Kaida ne timas ocidar 3,000 povri, ma timas ocidar mem un richo? Anke stranjas ke Pentagono esis atakita juste en flanko ube nul generalo laborabas! Pro quo La Kaida volis atakar Pentagono ma ne volis ocidar generali? Pro quo Al Kaida sempre skopas ocidar povri e ne pov-havanti? Pro quo li sempre elektas tempo favore a USAna governerio? Pro quo li decidis atakor un monato ante USAna elekto por helpor Bushana partiso? Pro quo li atakis Indonesia e Francia kande UN debatas ka militor kontre Irak? En 2001 li atakis USA kande ekonomio esis en mala stando. Me nur povas konkludar ke USAma bin Ladin ankore prizas sua olima kun-laboranti, la familio Bush e sua CIA, e volas helpar li kande li pregas ol. O forsan USAma es nura fantomo, quale Goldstein en novelo 1984, da George Orwell. En ta libro la governerio facadis falsa terorismo por ke la populo obediez. Me ne prizas mea konkludo, ma nula altra konkludo es logikala. Ni spektez la bona flanko! Pos terorismo en Bali, Indonesia deklaris ke ol apogos la Bushal "Milito kontre Terorismo" (e USAna agreso kontre Irak). La CIA ne bezonos riatakar Bali. Pardonez, me volis dicar "La Kaida" vice CIA. Ho-yare ni povos chipe vakancar en Bali! Fulmo ne batas sama loko du-foye. Saluti de Petrus, qua preferas la 20ma yarcento, kande on ne teroris tante. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 7131 Return-Path: X-Sender: info@idolinguo.com X-Apparently-To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_2_1); 17 Oct 2002 09:42:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 17058 invoked from network); 17 Oct 2002 09:42:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Oct 2002 09:42:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO moutvdom.kundenserver.de) (195.20.224.131) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Oct 2002 09:43:00 -0000 Received: from [212.227.126.220] (helo=mrvdomng.kundenserver.de) by moutvdom.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1827BE-00020M-00 for idolisto@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 11:43:00 +0200 Received: from [212.114.239.243] (helo=privataoerzkq7) by mrvdomng.kundenserver.de with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1827BD-0004az-00 for idolisto@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 11:42:59 +0200 Message-ID: <002501c275c1$92fe1c20$fd54fea9@privataoerzkq7> To: "Mailingliste Idolisto" References: <00d501c27089$588d9760$f8474cd5@default> <000401c27152$b582cb60$203e07d5@oemcomputer> <00b101c27565$4768ea80$89474cd5@default> Subject: Re: La renkontro Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 11:36:10 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 From: "ULI" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=30495749 Kara Vlado, kara amiki! Ni experiencis dum la yardeki, ke entuziasmoze sal= utata idei pri internaciona renkontri, pose reale havis meskina nombro di p= artopreninti, ya mem tote ne eventis pro manko di partoprenenti. Dum 2004= me evos 76 e nun ne savas, ka me lore ankore esos pronta asumar voyajo di = 32 hori en treno. Ni amba versimile lore esas pronta facar lo, ma multa alt= ra Idisti (weste de ni) esas cirkume samevanta e forsan inklinas a partopre= no di konfero, ma ne tante fora. Esas ankore preske du yari til lore(lon= ga preparo-periodo esas plu bona kam lastminuta aranjuro, se nulu esus pron= ta facar irgo). Do, ni publike inquestez, qua vere esos pronta vehar ad ib= e. Me preferas skribar Kiev o Kiew, nam me konjektas, ke to esas maxim int= ernaciona. Saluti Alfred Neussner viceprezidanto dil ULI alfred.neussner= @idolinguo.com From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 7132 Return-Path: X-Sender: idojc@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_2_1); 17 Oct 2002 11:16:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 13365 invoked from network); 17 Oct 2002 11:16:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Oct 2002 11:16:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.17.68) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Oct 2002 11:16:42 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 04:16:42 -0700 Received: from 195.166.69.187 by lw11fd.law11.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 11:16:41 GMT To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Pri Bali e RR Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 11:16:41 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Oct 2002 11:16:42.0210 (UTC) FILETIME=[AB93D420:01C275CE] From: "James Chandler" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=24528831 X-Yahoo-Profile: idojc Kar amiki Me ne redaktis plusa numero di Retala Revueto dum recenta dii, precipue pro ke la maxim importanta novajo dum ta periodo, la terorist-ataki kontre inocenta turisti en Bali, esis tante bone prikomentata hike. Fakte me saveskis unesme pri ca eventi dum la matino di sundio per la mesajo da MTW en Idolisto, e nur pose iris a la televiziono e radio por plusa informo. Ico demonstras l'utileso di nia forumo kom novajo-fonto. Kordiale, James Chandler idojc@hotmail.com http://www.geocities.com/idojc - IALs index http://www.geocities.com/idojc/yindex.html - Ido index http://groups.yahoo.com/group/idolisto - Idolisto home "Mi veni de lande ki kel non ja eksista." - J. Craveirinha _________________________________________________________________ Get a speedy connection with MSN Broadband.� Join now! http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/freeactivation.asp From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 7133 Return-Path: X-Sender: idojc@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_2_1); 17 Oct 2002 17:12:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 78700 invoked from network); 17 Oct 2002 17:12:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Oct 2002 17:12:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.17.41) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Oct 2002 17:12:30 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 10:12:29 -0700 Received: from 195.166.69.34 by lw11fd.law11.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 17:12:29 GMT To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Retala Revueto Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 17:12:29 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Oct 2002 17:12:29.0978 (UTC) FILETIME=[5FD6B7A0:01C27600] From: "James Chandler" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=24528831 X-Yahoo-Profile: idojc La Retala Revueto ================= Dato: Jovdio, 17ma oktobro 2002 Mondo ===== Revelo pri nukleala programo en Nord-Korea ------------------------------------------ La usana Stato-Ministerio revelis jovdie ke la programo di Nord-Korea por developar armi nukleala duras sekrete, violacante plura konkordi kun Usa. La programo ankore vizas richigar uranio por uzo en bombi nukleala. Usa ofrabis helpo ekonomiala a Nord-Korea kambie atitudo-chanjo pri diversa aferi, inkluzante apogo di terorismo e developo di armi. Nun ica konkordo krulas segun amba guvernerii, ma Usa duras serchar pacoza solvo di la situaciono. Krulo di koalisuro en Nederlando -------------------------------- La guvernerio di Nederlando krulis merkurdie pro interna problemi en la populista partiso olime duktita da Pim Fortuyn. La koalisuro di tri partisi es do la maxim kurte vivanta guvernerio nederlandana depos la lasta mondo-milito. On generale blamas pro la krulo la LDF-partiso di Fortuyn, quo havas 'nula organizo, nula legi e nula duktero'. Britania ======== Famili-ocidero ripledas sua inocenteso -------------------------------------- En Anglia Jeremy Bamber, qua ocidis kin membri di sua propra familio en 1985, inkluzante sua matro e patro, pledis itere sua inocenteso jovdie. Segun la polico, sis ek la dek motivi por lua kulpo es nun nevalida o dubitinda, ed aparte teknologio pri DNA-detekto es nun multe plu bona kam en 1985. Esis sempre posibleso ke lua fratino skizofreniika responsis pri la ocidi. Desaparo di la famoza autobusi reda ----------------------------------- La famoza du-etaja autobusi reda di London desaparos pos kin yari pro nova reguli dil UE. Li esos remplasata da du-parta flexebla autobusi fabrikata da Mercedes, quale ja uzata en altra landi europana. La nova reguli dal UE definas tre precize la formo di autobusi en Europa, tale ke on povas parolar nun pri la 'Eurobus'. Nature la germana firmo Mercedes profitos enorme per ica chanjo. Sporto ====== Eroro da Seaman ma granda suceso por Wals ----------------------------------------- En futbalo, angli es deceptita da la rezulto di la ludo kontre Makedonia, quo esis fine 2-2 pro eroro da la gol-gardisto David Seaman. Ma l'evento esis granda suceso por la nova moderna stadio en Southampton ube on ludis. Kontraste Wals juis granda suceso kontre Italia, ganante la ludo en Cardiff 2-1. La joyo di la walsani duras hodie. Kun kordiala saluti, La redaktero. La redaktero di La Retala Revueto es James Chandler. La Retala Revueto aparas en Idolisto: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/idolisto ====== Kordiale, James Chandler idojc@hotmail.com http://www.geocities.com/idojc - IALs index http://www.geocities.com/idojc/yindex.html - Ido index http://groups.yahoo.com/group/idolisto - Idolisto home "Mi veni de lande ki kel non ja eksista." - J. Craveirinha _________________________________________________________________ Unlimited Internet access for only $21.95/month.� Try MSN! http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/2monthsfree.asp From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 7134 Return-Path: X-Sender: polido@interia.pl X-Apparently-To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_2_1); 17 Oct 2002 19:29:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 11373 invoked from network); 17 Oct 2002 19:29:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Oct 2002 19:29:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO poczta.interia.pl) (217.74.65.50) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Oct 2002 19:29:47 -0000 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (naos.interia.pl [127.0.0.1]) by system.wewnetrzny9 (Mailserver) with SMTP id ECD0F8522 for ; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 21:29:44 +0200 (CEST) Received: by poczta.interia.pl (Mailserver, from userid 502) id 924A68419; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 21:29:42 +0200 (CEST) Received: from default (pb45.radom.cvx.ppp.tpnet.pl [213.77.240.45]) by poczta.interia.pl (Mailserver) with SMTP id 0330D837F for ; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 21:29:39 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <004201c27614$88d0bd40$2df04dd5@default> To: References: <20021017073121.43764.qmail@web12503.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Odp: [ido] Bali Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 21:25:48 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-EMID: b5f58abc From: "Vlado" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=98280703 Kara Peter, pos 9-11 Bush kun sua trupo recevis 30 000 000 000 $ por Milito= kontre terorismo. Saluti Vlado ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ----- Wiado= mosc oryginalna ----- Od: "Peter totten" Do: Wyslano: 17 pazdziernika 2002 09:31 Temat: [ido] Bali K= ara Ido-parolanti, David G Weston skribis: > Pri la recenta terorist-atako= en Bali. > ... Ol esas la "9-11 di Australia". En pasinta yaro me vizitis= Bali du foyi e promenis multafoye avan la atakita diskerio en Kuta. Kuta = es turisma loko por la maxim povra turisti, ube la preci es tre basa. Pro = quo teroristi elektis tala loko, vice Nusa Dua, ube la richi vakancas? Tre= stranja. E plu stranja es ke li povis facar tante granda explozilo sen su= spekto da policani, dum ke en altra landi altra teroristi ocidas po 2 o 3 h= omi. Nur La Kaida havas tala kapableso. Ka li havas tala kapableso sen ta= la cerebro? To es absolute nekredebla! Anke stranjesas ke 9-11 eventis ma= tine ye 9 kloki, por ne ocidar richa kompaniestro. Omni savas ke la kompan= iestri venabas pos 11 kloki. Pro quo La Kaida ne timas ocidar 3,000 povri,= ma timas ocidar mem un richo? Anke stranjas ke Pentagono esis atakita jus= te en flanko ube nul generalo laborabas! Pro quo La Kaida volis atakar Pen= tagono ma ne volis ocidar generali? Pro quo Al Kaida sempre skopas ocidar = povri e ne pov-havanti? Pro quo li sempre elektas tempo favore a USAna gov= ernerio? Pro quo li decidis atakor un monato ante USAna elekto por helpor = Bushana partiso? Pro quo li atakis Indonesia e Francia kande UN debatas ka= militor kontre Irak? En 2001 li atakis USA kande ekonomio esis en mala st= ando. Me nur povas konkludar ke USAma bin Ladin ankore prizas sua olima ku= n-laboranti, la familio Bush e sua CIA, e volas helpar li kande li pregas o= l. O forsan USAma es nura fantomo, quale Goldstein en novelo 1984, da Geor= ge Orwell. En ta libro la governerio facadis falsa terorismo por ke la pop= ulo obediez. Me ne prizas mea konkludo, ma nula altra konkludo es logikala= . Ni spektez la bona flanko! Pos terorismo en Bali, Indonesia deklaris ke= ol apogos la Bushal "Milito kontre Terorismo" (e USAna agreso kontre Irak)= . La CIA ne bezonos riatakar Bali. Pardonez, me volis dicar "La Kaida" vi= ce CIA. Ho-yare ni povos chipe vakancar en Bali! Fulmo ne batas sama loko= du-foye. Saluti de Petrus, qua preferas la 20ma yarcento, kande on ne ter= oris tante. ------------------------------------------------------------= ---------- Nie tylko dla bogaczy... pogoda! >>> http://link.interia.pl/f166= e From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 7135 Return-Path: X-Sender: dgweston@amserve.com X-Apparently-To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_2_1); 18 Oct 2002 19:51:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 20644 invoked from network); 18 Oct 2002 19:51:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Oct 2002 19:51:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail-1.amstrad.demon.net) (212.225.36.183) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Oct 2002 19:51:38 -0000 Received: from pr-du-212.225.42.226.amstrad.demon.net (pr-du-212.225.42.226.amstrad.demon.net [212.225.42.226]) by mail-1.amstrad.demon.net (Mirapoint) with SMTP id ADC65827; Fri, 18 Oct 2002 20:51:35 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <200210181951.ADC65827@mail-1.amstrad.demon.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Subject: Kelti Date: 18 Oct 2002 20:51:35 +0100 From: "David G Weston" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=112389959 Jean Martignon skribis "Tale la nun existanta Franci esas decendanti dil Kelti kontinentala...." Plura yari ante nun me esforcis ulgrade lernar la Walsa linguo. Me remarkis ke, quankam la vortaro esas grandaparte stranja, la stilo di la linguo pensigas me pri la franca linguo, partikulare la kateni di mikra vorti en ofte-uzata frazi. Do on povas supozar ke la stilo di kontinentala kelta linguo, ma ne la vortaro, influis la franca linguo. Esas interesiva konsiderar ke la franca linguo influis la angla en kontrea maniero: per vortaro, ma ne stilo. Dum la lasta mil yari la angla linguo esforcis asimilar franca vorti. Dum tante longa periodo, kelka-foye la sama vorto, asimilita aden la angla ye diferanta epoki, produktis distingita vorti: tale "catch" e "chase"; o "warden" e "guardian". La procedo di asimilado ankore duras: esas deskonkordo inter angle-parolanti pri la pronuncado di ula vorti, supozeble recente pruntita de la franca, qui nun esas parto di la angla vortaro; exemple "envelope" ed "avalanche". Kordiale David Weston -- Chat online anytime at AMSCHAT - www.amschat.com From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 7136 Return-Path: X-Sender: idolinguo@geocities.com X-Apparently-To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_2_1); 19 Oct 2002 21:56:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 87040 invoked from network); 19 Oct 2002 21:56:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Oct 2002 21:56:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.77) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Oct 2002 21:56:51 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.169] by n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Oct 2002 21:56:51 -0000 Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 21:56:49 -0000 To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Subject: Kaizen Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 128 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "idolinguo" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=8764073 X-Yahoo-Profile: idolinguo Kar amiki, Kad uli povus informar me plu multe pri Kaizen? Ol esus japana vorto signifikanta mem-plubonigo. Sincere, Martin From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 7137 Return-Path: X-Sender: bebson@k3.dion.ne.jp X-Apparently-To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_2_1); 19 Oct 2002 23:41:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 28648 invoked from network); 19 Oct 2002 23:41:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Oct 2002 23:41:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO kfep02.dion.ne.jp) (203.181.105.164) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Oct 2002 23:41:56 -0000 Received: from Ido ([218.222.51.100]) by kfep02.dion.ne.jp with SMTP id <20021019234154368.UZUT@kfep02.dion.ne.jp> for ; Sun, 20 Oct 2002 08:41:54 +0900 X-My-Real-Login-Name: a377322940; mail.k3.dion.ne.jp MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Denshin 8 Go V32.1.3.1; sp2 Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 08:43:31 +0900 To: IdoListo Subject: Kaizen? Message-Id: <20021019234154368.UZUT@kfep02.dion.ne.jp> From: "Bebson Y. TAKATA" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=94318719 X-Yahoo-Profile: idiotisto ============================================== Sro Marteno LAVALEA: Gai3-shan4 en la China ============================================== >Kad uli/ulu povus informar me plu multe pri >Kaizen? Ol esus/as Japona vorto signifikanta >mem-plubonigo(sun-plubonigo?)? Kaizen signifikas simpla "plubonigo". Olu anke esas simpla e tre ordinara vorto, de quo vu ne povas expektar da-vu-aludit signifiko esotera. ---------------------------------------------- Adio! Sincere vua/via/tua - Bebson Y. TAKATA - Idisto ed Idiotisto pro mea limitizita edukado ed anke Ido-Kavaliero e shinko-aktoro fola che Teatro FilozofiAChala di Hucpoz Zen-DaoismACho Ido-Skolo : NovAlfabeto di la linguo Esperanto http://groups.yahoo.com/group/idoskolo/ http://www.geocities.com/bebsonido/ http://www.geocities.com/novalfabeto/ ---------------------------------------------- From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 7138 Return-Path: X-Sender: dgweston@amserve.com X-Apparently-To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_2_1); 20 Oct 2002 05:54:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 41660 invoked from network); 20 Oct 2002 05:54:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Oct 2002 05:54:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail-1.amstrad.demon.net) (212.225.36.183) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Oct 2002 05:54:54 -0000 Received: from pr-du-212.225.40.33.amstrad.demon.net (pr-du-212.225.40.33.amstrad.demon.net [212.225.40.33]) by mail-1.amstrad.demon.net (Mirapoint) with SMTP id ADC85569; Sun, 20 Oct 2002 06:54:51 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <200210200554.ADC85569@mail-1.amstrad.demon.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Subject: Stonehenge Date: 20 Oct 2002 06:54:50 +0100 From: "David G Weston" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=112389959 Recente esis mesaji pri Stonehenge, e questiono pri olua evo. Libro pri stona cirkli informas me ke ol konstruktesis ye cirkume 2700 yari a.K.; to esas, sendubite, ante la arivo di irga Kelti. Ol situesas en Wiltshire, Anglia, inter la suda rivo di Britania e la Bristol-kanelo. Ta regiono supozeble esis importanta ye ta tempo. Esas multa stona cirkli en Britania, ma nula granda konstrukturo quale Stonehenge. Kelka de la granda stoni esas enlineigita por indikar la direciono di la aparo di la suno ye la somerala solstico. Ol esis parte destruktata dum la Romana epoko, semblante pro ke druidi, qua esforcis durigar pagana oficii ye Stonehenge, esis opozata a la Romana guvernado. Dum la mez-epoko ol ganis la nomo Stonehenge, pro ke on remarkis ke kelka granda stoni esas aranjata quale patibuli. ("Henge" signifikas: pendilo. La derivo di la vorto esas quale la derivo di la angla "hinge": charniro.) Nunatempe esas rituala evento singla-yare ye la somerala solstico. (Tamen la rituala agi di la moderna druidi supozeble nule relatas la orginala rituala eventi di 2700 a.K.) Policani sempre observas ca eventi, nam kelkefoye esas desordino. Jurnali e TV kustumale raportas kad irga desordino eventis ye Stonehenge ye la somerala solstico. Cayare, la dio pasis pacoze. Kordiale David Weston -- Chat online anytime at AMSCHAT - www.amschat.com From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 7139 Return-Path: X-Sender: guenter.anton@idolinguo.de X-Apparently-To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_2_1); 20 Oct 2002 10:53:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 17910 invoked from network); 20 Oct 2002 10:53:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Oct 2002 10:53:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO moutvdom.kundenserver.de) (195.20.224.130) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Oct 2002 10:53:58 -0000 Received: from [212.227.126.220] (helo=mrvdomng.kundenserver.de) by moutvdom.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 183DiY-0005zV-00 for idolisto@yahoogroups.com; Sun, 20 Oct 2002 12:53:58 +0200 Received: from [213.7.217.233] (helo=oemcomputer) by mrvdomng.kundenserver.de with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 183DiW-00074J-00 for idolisto@yahoogroups.com; Sun, 20 Oct 2002 12:53:57 +0200 Message-ID: <003801c27829$734fd840$e9d907d5@oemcomputer> To: References: <00d501c27089$588d9760$f8474cd5@default> <000401c27152$b582cb60$203e07d5@oemcomputer> <00b101c27565$4768ea80$89474cd5@default> <002501c275c1$92fe1c20$fd54fea9@privataoerzkq7> Subject: Re: [ido] Re: La renkontro Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 13:10:29 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: =?iso-8859-2?Q?G=FCnter_Anton?= X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=23539196 Kara amiki e samideani, atencoze e tre interesigite me lektis la propozo pri Ido-konfero en Kiev en 2004. Co esas propozo pri qua me ja kelke diskutis kun Vlado letre ante cirkume du yari (o nur un?) e ja depos longe me intencis kontaktar kun Janna en Kiev kun la skopo rivivigar la olim tre vivaca Ido-rondo en Kiev. Regretinde me ankore ne kontaktis kun el, ma facos lo nun tre balde. Certe la propozo di konfero en Kiev esas ecelanta e ja kelka samideani konsentis entuziasmoze. Tamen ni mustas explorar, quanta samideani idista disponas pri la posiblesi partoprenar e ka esos sat multa partoprenanti. Sdo. Alfred Neussner ja atencigis ad sur un problemo, nam ke kelka dil olda ed aktiva idisti lore evos 75 e plu multa yari e por li tala longa voyajo posible esos tre problematra. Altra problemo certe esos ke ne omni disponas pri la necesa pekunio por la partopreno. Me ne volas efektigar pesimismo, nam konfero en ta bela ed interesiva urbo esus certe neobliviebla evento. Dum multa yari, til ke il mortis, me havis tre amikala e fruktoza kontakto kun samideani Boris Aaronov, vera Ido-pioniro en Kiev, e kun sua klubo "Amikeso" e kelke anke kun Janna. Do lo maxim importanta esos rivivigar la Ido-aktiveso en Kiev e duesme explorar, qua ne nur esas interesigite partoprenar en la propozita konfero en Kiev, ma qua reale volas partoprenar. G�nter Anton, prezidanto dil ULI From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 7140 Return-Path: X-Sender: idojc@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_2_1); 20 Oct 2002 16:41:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 11616 invoked from network); 20 Oct 2002 16:41:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Oct 2002 16:41:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.17.147) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Oct 2002 16:41:40 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 20 Oct 2002 09:41:40 -0700 Received: from 195.92.198.75 by lw11fd.law11.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 20 Oct 2002 16:41:39 GMT To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Retala Revueto Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 16:41:39 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Oct 2002 16:41:40.0171 (UTC) FILETIME=[9081D1B0:01C27857] From: "James Chandler" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=24528831 X-Yahoo-Profile: idojc La Retala Revueto ================= Dato: Sundio, 20ma oktobro 2002 Mondo ===== Saddam festas elektal suceso per pardonar karcerani --------------------------------------------------- Saddam Hussein anuncis sundie ke il pardonos karcerani en Irak. Il liberigos omna karcerani politikal, e mem ocidanti esos pardonata kondicione ke la familio di la viktimo aprobos. La pardoni es festo di la granda suceso di Saddam en la recent elekti. Il ganis omna voti ed omna irakani votis. Tamen il esis la sola kandidato. Nova voto-kontroverso en Florida -------------------------------- Nova kontroverso pri voti eventis recente en la elekto por decidar la Demokratiala kandidato qua kandidatesos kontre Jeb Bush, la fratulo di la prezidanto, en la stato usana Florida. Pos la problemi lor la prezidantal elekti di 2000, Florida abandonis la punco-kartala sistemo e rienduktis la simpla sistemo per kruco en buxo apud la nomo di la kandidato. Ma por l'elekto inter Janet Reno e Bill McBride en septembro, li experimentis en la du distrikti Broward e Miami-Dade pri nova sistemo per tushar komputoro-skreno. Ica du distrikti favoris Reno, la plu forta kandidato, ma pos serio di problemi pri la nova skreni, elua avantajo desaparis e fine McBride ganis la kandidateso. Nun Jeb Bush povos facile restar guvernisto di Florida til la prezidental elekto en 2004. Britania ======== La prima ministro presavis pri danjero en Bali ---------------------------------------------- La britana prima ministro, Tony Blair, konfesis ke il savis pri posibla danjero por britani en plura indoneziana loki ante l'atako terorista en Bali. Bali esis inter la loki danjeroza por turisti. Ma segun la britana guvernerio, l'informo recevata esis tro general por forta konsilo a britani sejornanta en Bali. Vicee la konsilo a britani esis ke li devas esar 'plu kam normale sorgoza en publika loki' en Indonezia. Cienco ====== Elektro de eskombro ------------------- En New Scientist ni lektas ke C. Melhuish e teknologiisti che la Universitato di Bristol produktabas nova bakteriala baterio. Interne es kolonio di la E.coli-bakterii qui disruptas karbohidrati e liberigas atomi di hidrogeno. Reaktivi, anke en la baterio, formovas elektroni de la hidrogeno ad anodo. Do inter ta anodo e katodo es elektro-tenso e irga karbohidrato mem ek eskombro, povas nutrar la bakterii. Lampo di 40 wati povas funcionar dum 8 hori per 50 grami di sukro. (Da R. A. Stevenson) Kordiale, La redaktero. La redaktero di Retala Revueto es James Chandler. Retala Revueto aparas en Idolisto: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/idolisto ===== Kordiale, James Chandler idojc@hotmail.com http://www.geocities.com/idojc - IALs index http://www.geocities.com/idojc/yindex.html - Ido index http://groups.yahoo.com/group/idolisto - Idolisto home "I cannot but conclude the bulk of your natives to be the most pernicious race of little odious vermin that nature ever suffered to crawl upon the surface of the earth." - Swift, Voyage to Brobdingnag _________________________________________________________________ Choose an Internet access plan right for you -- try MSN! http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/default.asp From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 7141 Return-Path: X-Sender: ido.info@chello.nl X-Apparently-To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_2_1); 20 Oct 2002 19:30:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 61606 invoked from network); 20 Oct 2002 19:30:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Oct 2002 19:30:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO amsfep14-int.chello.nl) (213.46.243.22) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Oct 2002 19:30:09 -0000 Received: from stuifbergen ([24.132.24.215]) by amsfep14-int.chello.nl (InterMail vM.5.01.03.06 201-253-122-118-106-20010523) with SMTP id <20021020193008.HPEM1274.amsfep14-int.chello.nl@stuifbergen> for ; Sun, 20 Oct 2002 21:30:08 +0200 Message-ID: <005a01c2786f$7a08df60$d7188418@a2000.nl> To: References: <00d501c27089$588d9760$f8474cd5@default> <000401c27152$b582cb60$203e07d5@oemcomputer> <00b101c27565$4768ea80$89474cd5@default> <002501c275c1$92fe1c20$fd54fea9@privataoerzkq7> <003801c27829$734fd840$e9d907d5@oemcomputer> Subject: Re: [ido] Re: La renkontro Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 21:32:48 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "Hans Stuifbergen" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=22974939 X-Yahoo-Profile: ido_info Kara G�nter, Danko pro vua pozitiva reakto ye la joyoza anunco di Vlado e Jana Reunova ek Kiiv. Me es tre entuziasmanta pri l' ideo iror a Kiiv, Ukraina. Esos unika chanco por vizitar ta lando okazione Ido-renkontro. "Altra problemo certe esos ke ne omni disponas pri la necesa pekunio por la partopreno." To anke es inversa, to es, ke por est-europani ne esos facila vizitar west-Europa. Do, me esos tre kontenta pro la decido (eventuala) ke Ido-renkontri esez organizata alternante est-europana e west-europana lando. Anke esos maxim honesta, ka ne? Saluti amikala, Hans St. -- nova: ARTHUR RIMBAUD, biografio, 75 pag., 3,50 euri http://www.angelfire.com/id/Avance/TiaListo1.html IDO, LA LINGUO INTERNACIONA http://members.tripod.com/~avancigado http://www.idolinguo.com/ Ido, linguo neutra inter diferanta kulturi From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 7142 Return-Path: <100024.1005@compuserve.com> X-Sender: 100024.1005@compuserve.com X-Apparently-To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_2_1); 20 Oct 2002 20:45:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 69781 invoked from network); 20 Oct 2002 20:45:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Oct 2002 20:45:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO siaag2af.compuserve.com) (149.174.40.136) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Oct 2002 20:45:01 -0000 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by siaag2af.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-1.18) id QAA23498 for idolisto@yahoogroups.com; Sun, 20 Oct 2002 16:45:00 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 16:43:32 -0400 Subject: Stonehenge ed anciena cienco Sender: "R.B. Carnaghan" <100024.1005@compuserve.com> To: "INTERNET:idolisto@yahoogroups.com" Message-ID: <200210201644_MC3-1-16B1-D950@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline From: "R.B. Carnaghan" <100024.1005@compuserve.com> X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=490734 Stonehenge facesis dum plura fazi dum periodo di yarcenti. Profesoro Geral= d S, Hawkins ("Beyond Stonehenge", 1973), dicas ke la unesma konstrukto kom= encis c. 2200 A.K., e la klimaxo dil konstrukto esis c. 1700 A.K. Peter La= ncaster Brown ("Megaliths, Myths and Men", 1976) donas dati, segun arkeolog= o R.J.C. Atkinson, por tri fazi: Stonehenge I: c. 2350 - 1900 A.K.; Stonehe= nge II: c. 1900-1700 A.K.; Stonehenge III: c. 1700-1350 A.K. Tamen Brown di= cas ke por la unesma fazo la maxim recenta dati deskovrita per uzo di radio= aktiva karbo esas plu anciena. Christopher Knight e Robert Lomas ("Uriel's= Machine: the prehistoric technology that survived the flood", 1999) aserta= s ke mikra komenco esis c. 8000 A.K., kun plusa mikra konstrukto di trui (s= upozeble por stangi) jus min kam 1000 yari pose. Cirkume 3020 A.K. facesis = terala konstrukturo cirklala kun 56 trui e diametro di c. 97 metri. Ye c. 2= 100 A.K. komencis konstrukto stonala. Restas misterio quale transportesis l= a grandega stoni de adminime 32 kilometri fore. Ye 21 agosto raportesis ke= plusa skeleto, ta di "princulo" kun ora orelo-ringi trovesis proxim Stoneh= enge - la korpo pozesis ibe cirkume 4300 yari ante nun. Profesoro Alexande= r Thom studiis multega tala stonari, e trovis ke, remarkinde, malgre paso d= i yarcenti e disti ye centi de kilometri, la konstruktanti uzis preske kons= tanta unajo di mezuro. Tamen il ne deskovris quale li mantenis olua konstan= ta grandeso. Christopher Knight e Robert Lomas en lia libro donas teorio in= teresiva. Dum recenta yari deskovresis anke en altra landi, e ne nur en Eu= ropa, tala tre anciena stonari. Mem en Nova-Zelando, ube evidente existis h= omi yarcenti plu frue kam on til recente supozis, segun sioro Doutr=E9 la s= tonari konstruktesis uzante sama o relatanta mezuri quale en Britania. Se t= o esas vera, forsan homi voyajis tra la mondo yarmili ante nun! Por ti qui= komprenas la angla linguo, multa nova informi da sioro Doutr=E9 pri stonar= i e simila konstrukturi remarkinda en Nova-Zelando ed altraloke en la mondo= esas trovebla (http://www.celticnz.co.nz). Matematikisto qua studiis la in= formi skrbis a me ke evidente existis personi qui ante-historiale komprenis= pri prima nombri, nam multa proporcioni trovita esas ti di prima nombri. = Ye 6 oktobro raportesis pri 3600-yara bronza disko, kun diametro di 32 cent= imetri, trovita en Germania tri yari ante nun, ma di qua la autentikeso nur= tre recente pruvesis. Direktoro di Instituto por Exploro Arkeologiala dici= s ke ol montras la cielo (suno, luno, e 32 steli), e ke ube ol trovesis pre= ske certe esis observeyo astronomiala simila a Stonehemge. La ora imaji dil= disko montras exakte quale la astri videsabus, segun kalkuli nuna, dum la = Evo di Bronzo. Robert Carnaghan. From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 7143 Return-Path: X-Sender: frank.kasper@genion.de X-Apparently-To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_2_1); 20 Oct 2002 21:00:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 94734 invoked from network); 20 Oct 2002 21:00:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Oct 2002 21:00:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO wmpmta05-app.mail-store.com) (194.73.242.7) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Oct 2002 21:00:15 -0000 Received: from frankxiyg33ly6 ([217.3.244.201]) by wmpmta05-app.mail-store.com with ESMTP id <20021020210013.CVQA16003.wmpmta05-app.mail-store.com@frankxiyg33ly6> for ; Sun, 20 Oct 2002 22:00:13 +0100 Message-ID: <001601c2787b$ce7af3b0$c9f403d9@frankxiyg33ly6> To: References: <00d501c27089$588d9760$f8474cd5@default> <000401c27152$b582cb60$203e07d5@oemcomputer> <00b101c27565$4768ea80$89474cd5@default> <002501c275c1$92fe1c20$fd54fea9@privataoerzkq7> <003801c27829$734fd840$e9d907d5@oemcomputer> <005a01c2786f$7a08df60$d7188418@a2000.nl> Subject: Re: [ido] Re: La renkontro en Kiev Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 22:40:52 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 From: "Frank Kasper" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=85865282 X-Yahoo-Profile: fkasper2002 Kara amiki! Kun grandega plezuro anke me lektis la reakto da nia ULI-prezi= danto relate la propozo aranjar Ido-renkontro en Kiev. Me anke tote konkord= as kun la komento da Hans, ke (eventuale) Ido-renkontri esez organizata alt= ernante est-europana e west-europana lando. Ni ne devez obliviar, ke Ido ne= k esas West-Europala nek Est-Europana linguo, ma linguo internaciona, qua d= evus servar kom komunikilo inter omni. Konseque me tote sustenas l'ideo ara= njar Ido-renkontro o konfero en Kiev e samtempe esforcos omna penadi, ke me= povos certe partoprenar e volunte helpos preparar la renkontro. Do, kara = amiki, me duminstante ne esas heme, ma sejornas che familio en la Nord-Bava= ra urbo Hof til la sequanta merkurdio pro helpar a la familiani pri komputo= ra aferi. Pro to me nur apene povos partoprenar la diskuti hike dum la sequ= anta dii. Me nun deziras a vi omna agreabla nova semano. Kordiala saluti = ! Frank Kasper prezidanto dil Germana Ido-Societo frank.kasper@idolinguo.d= e From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 7144 Return-Path: X-Sender: rich.steven@xtra.co.nz X-Apparently-To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_2_1); 20 Oct 2002 22:39:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 4621 invoked from network); 20 Oct 2002 22:39:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Oct 2002 22:39:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.66) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Oct 2002 22:39:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.158] by n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Oct 2002 22:39:08 -0000 Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 22:39:08 -0000 To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Subject: Postkarto Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 281 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "richsteven2000" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=30255837 X-Yahoo-Profile: richsteven2000 Kara samideani, Me jus recevabas postkarto de la renkontro en Krakow. Quankam la dato di la postostampo esas 29ma di julio, tamen la karto e signaturi di la parto-prenanti esas felice recevata. Quale lontana Idisto me juas ta kunligilo. Danko. Amikale, Richard Stevenson. From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 7145 Return-Path: X-Sender: mtw@birdseye.view.net.au X-Apparently-To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_2_1); 20 Oct 2002 23:59:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 32569 invoked from network); 20 Oct 2002 23:59:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Oct 2002 23:59:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chameleon.view.net.au) (203.87.111.154) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Oct 2002 23:59:39 -0000 Received: from chameleon.view.net.au (mtw@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chameleon.view.net.au (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g9KNxa5V000576 for ; Mon, 21 Oct 2002 09:29:36 +0930 Received: from localhost (mtw@localhost) by chameleon.view.net.au (8.12.2/8.12.2/Submit) with ESMTP id g9KNxaic000573 for ; Mon, 21 Oct 2002 09:29:36 +0930 X-Authentication-Warning: chameleon.view.net.au: mtw owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 09:29:36 +0930 (CST) X-X-Sender: mtw@chameleon.view.net.au To: "INTERNET:idolisto@yahoogroups.com" Subject: Re: [ido] Stonehenge ed anciena cienco In-Reply-To: <200210201644_MC3-1-16B1-D950@compuserve.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Michael Talbot-Wilson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=8823137 Ye 2002-10-20 16:43 -0400, R.B. Carnaghan skribis: > Christopher Knight e Robert Lomas ("Uriel's Machine: the prehistoric > technology that survived the flood", 1999) asertas ke mikra komenco esis c. > 8000 A.K., kun plusa mikra konstrukto di trui (supozeble por stangi) jus > min kam 1000 yari pose. Cirkume 3020 A.K. facesis terala konstrukturo > cirklala kun 56 trui e diametro di c. 97 metri. Ye c. 2100 A.K. komencis > konstrukto stonala. Restas misterio quale transportesis la grandega stoni > de adminime 32 kilometri fore. Quale diferanta mondo, qua havis poka homi, multa oro, multa bestii en la foresto, multa fishi en la fluvi, ma ja alta cienco qua bezonis tante granda stoni, ed alta teknologio qua povis transportar oli! Ka mea domo stacos pos kinamil yari, o ka me venas de plu basa civilizeso? Amikale, Michael Talbot-Wilson From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 7146 Return-Path: X-Sender: eberhard.scholz@idolinguo.de X-Apparently-To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_2_1); 22 Oct 2002 19:21:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 38269 invoked from network); 22 Oct 2002 19:21:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Oct 2002 19:21:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO moutvdom.kundenserver.de) (195.20.224.130) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Oct 2002 19:21:05 -0000 Received: from [212.227.126.221] (helo=mrvdomng.kundenserver.de) by moutvdom.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1844aP-0005Ad-00 for idolisto@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 22 Oct 2002 21:21:05 +0200 Received: from [213.6.210.75] (helo=scholz) by mrvdomng.kundenserver.de with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1844aO-0001lr-00 for idolisto@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 22 Oct 2002 21:21:05 +0200 Message-ID: <001101c27a00$75d558a0$4bd206d5@scholz> To: References: Subject: Manko di ret-adreso Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 21:17:20 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Eberhard Scholz" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=23339976 X-Yahoo-Profile: e_scholz2002 Kara Don , pos la rinoviguro di mea komputoro mankas a me tua ret-adreso. Mea spozino raportis ke tua letro kun omna konteno arivis Berlin. Danko.Me exekutis tua dezirata komisiono. Cetere , me kolektas en Anklam signaturi kontre Germana partoprenado irgamoda ye posibla milito en Irak. La kolekturo esos tradonata a Germana Seciono dil Internaciona Mediki kontre l�Atomala Milito. Amikale - Eberhard From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 7147 Return-Path: X-Sender: ido.info@chello.nl X-Apparently-To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_2_1); 22 Oct 2002 20:18:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 38202 invoked from network); 22 Oct 2002 20:18:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Oct 2002 20:18:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO amsfep11-int.chello.nl) (213.46.243.20) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Oct 2002 20:18:22 -0000 Received: from stuifbergen ([24.132.24.215]) by amsfep11-int.chello.nl (InterMail vM.5.01.03.06 201-253-122-118-106-20010523) with SMTP id <20021022201821.VXFS1218.amsfep11-int.chello.nl@stuifbergen> for ; Tue, 22 Oct 2002 22:18:21 +0200 Message-ID: <004f01c27a08$8dcc51e0$d7188418@a2000.nl> To: "idolisto" Subject: Falsa antimilito-peticiono Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 22:21:07 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "Hans Stuifbergen" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=22974939 X-Yahoo-Profile: ido_info Kara Eberhard, Danko pro l' averto pri la falsa antimilito-peticiono. Me transsendis la mesajo a la sendinto di la peticiono. Me jus vizitis Matti Braun en K�ln, por helpar il pri la laute lektita texto pri Silvio Gesell. Matti Braun kreis videofilmeto pri Silvio Gesell, kun texti lektita laute en Ido, akompananta l' imaji. La videofilmeto esos prizentata ye la Borso di Arto (Art Fair) en K�ln en novembro 2002. Me naracis a Matti Braun pri Interhelpo, Alexander Dubcek e Boris Marechek en Kirgizia. Il interesas pri ta historio. Qua renkontris Boris Marechek e povas helpar me pri informo pri il? Saluti amikala, Hans St. -- nova: ARTHUR RIMBAUD, biografio, 75 pag., 3,50 euri http://www.angelfire.com/id/Avance/TiaListo1.html IDO, LA LINGUO INTERNACIONA http://members.tripod.com/~avancigado http://www.idolinguo.com/ Ido, linguo neutra inter diferanta kulturi From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 7148 Return-Path: X-Sender: dgweston@amserve.com X-Apparently-To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_2_1); 23 Oct 2002 13:54:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 98735 invoked from network); 23 Oct 2002 13:54:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Oct 2002 13:54:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail-1.amstrad.demon.net) (212.225.36.183) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Oct 2002 13:54:47 -0000 Received: from pr-du-212.225.42.90.amstrad.demon.net (pr-du-212.225.42.90.amstrad.demon.net [212.225.42.90]) by mail-1.amstrad.demon.net (Mirapoint) with SMTP id ADD53317; Wed, 23 Oct 2002 14:54:45 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <200210231354.ADD53317@mail-1.amstrad.demon.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Subject: Kiev e Boris Aaronov Date: 23 Oct 2002 14:54:44 +0100 From: "David G Weston" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=112389959 Kara lekteri Me vidis ke Kiev esas sugestata por Ido-konfero. Ta loko esus apta selekturo, nam Boris Aaronov, qua rezidis ibe, esis entuziasmanta Idisto dum tre multa yari. Me kelke korespondis kun Boris Aaronov dum la 1980-yardeko. Me partikulare memoras ke lua lasta letro inkluzis artiklo, e lu sugestis ke ol esez inkluzata en Ido-revuo. La artiklo, da Rusa esperantisto e ciencisto konocita da lu, inkluzis menciono di kelka meriti di Ido. (Ca Rusa esperantisto, Nikolay Mikhaylenko, skribis ol por esperantista revuo, ma me ne savas kad ol imprimesis ibe.) Me pasis kelka tempo tradukante la texto de Esperanto aden Ido; me nultempe facis tala tradukuro ye irga altra okaziono. La rezultanta texto aparis en Ido-Vivo no. 14 (2-87) en 1987. Ol okupas quar pagini. Regretinde Boris Aaronov mortis dum 1987, ante la aparo di ta numero di Ido-Vivo; lu ne vidis la tradukuro. Tom Lang redaktis Ido-Vivo dum ta yari; lu e Boris Aaronov korespondis, e lu ofte mencionis Boris Aaronov en Ido-Vivo. Kordiale David Weston -- Chat online anytime at AMSCHAT - www.amschat.com From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 7149 Return-Path: X-Sender: idojc@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_2_1); 23 Oct 2002 14:18:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 45771 invoked from network); 23 Oct 2002 14:18:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Oct 2002 14:18:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.17.152) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Oct 2002 14:18:00 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 23 Oct 2002 07:18:00 -0700 Received: from 195.166.69.187 by lw11fd.law11.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 23 Oct 2002 14:18:00 GMT To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: [ido] Kiev e Boris Aaronov Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 14:18:00 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Oct 2002 14:18:00.0906 (UTC) FILETIME=[FE439AA0:01C27A9E] From: "James Chandler" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=24528831 X-Yahoo-Profile: idojc Sro Weston skribis: >Tom Lang redaktis Ido-Vivo dum ta yari; lu e Boris Aaronov korespondis, e >lu ofte mencionis Boris Aaronov en Ido-Vivo. Me povas adjuntar, ke forsan la maxim remarkinda parto di Ido-Vivo dum la yari kande Tom Lang esis redaktero, esis l'unesma jeneroza parto sub la rubriko Ido Cirkum la Mondo. Semblas ke sro Lang korespondis reguloze kun omna aktiv idisti en la mondo lore, ultre redaktar la revuo - enorma laboro! Kande on pensas, ke dum la 1980a yari on ne havis la reto o e-posto, e ke do omna korespondo mustis esar per skribita o mashinskribita letro, on konstatas quala granda tasko esis ta di sro Lang, mantenar komuniko inter idisti en Britania ed idisti en mult altra landi. Kordiale, James Chandler idojc@hotmail.com http://www.geocities.com/idojc - IALs index http://www.geocities.com/idojc/yindex.html - Ido index http://groups.yahoo.com/group/idolisto - Idolisto home "I cannot but conclude the bulk of your natives to be the most pernicious race of little odious vermin that nature ever suffered to crawl upon the surface of the earth." - Swift, Voyage to Brobdingnag _________________________________________________________________ Get faster connections�-- switch to�MSN Internet Access! http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/default.asp From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 7150 Return-Path: X-Sender: idojc@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_2_1); 23 Oct 2002 16:39:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 99865 invoked from network); 23 Oct 2002 16:39:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Oct 2002 16:39:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.17.153) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Oct 2002 16:39:15 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 23 Oct 2002 09:39:15 -0700 Received: from 195.166.69.187 by lw11fd.law11.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 23 Oct 2002 16:39:15 GMT To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Retala Revueto Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 16:39:15 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Oct 2002 16:39:15.0657 (UTC) FILETIME=[B99BFB90:01C27AB2] From: "James Chandler" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=24528831 X-Yahoo-Profile: idojc La Retala Revueto ================= Dato: Merkurdio, 23ma oktobro 2002 Mondo ===== Seoul e Pyongyang anuncas konkordo pri nukleal armi --------------------------------------------------- Sud- e Nord-Korea anuncis merkurdie nova konkordo inter la du nacioni pri l'armi nukleal posedata da Nord-Korea. Ica konkordo sequas la revelo recente ke Nord-Korea ankore havas programo por developar nukleal armi, e ke li ja posedas du tal armi. Segun la nova konkordo, la du stati kune esforcos mantenar paco, ed aktive persequos dialogo por solvar la nukleala ed altra problemi. Malgre la nova minaco, Sud-Korea semblas durar sua ambiciono di futura uniono kun Nord-Korea. Usa havas limitizita pacienteso pri Irak ---------------------------------------- Usa indikis merkurdie ke sua pacienteso pri Irak es limitizita. L'Unionita Nacioni havas poka tempo por aceptar la propozi da Usa e Britania ke Irak mustas kooperar kun armi-kontrolisti o subisar milital atako. Detali di klado-rezolvuro apareskas. La nova texto deklaras ke Irak ankore violacas UN-rezolvuri e postulas kompleta listo di armi posedata da Irak un monato pos la konkordo di nova rezolvuro. Britania ======== Unesma striko da fairo-luktisti depos 25 yari --------------------------------------------- L'unesma striko nacional da fairo-luktisti depos 1977 eventos nexta-semane. La guvernerio refuzis lia demando augmentar lia salarii per 40%, ofrante nur 4%-augmento. La lakuno inter la demando e l'ofro duktas a nacional striko komenconta 29ma oktobro. L'armeo provizos alternativa protekto kontre fairo, uzante lia 'Verda Deino'-vehili, anciena fairo-vehili kun bazal aparato. Esos do danjero por la publiko pro la manko di normal fairo-servo, aparte ti qui voyajas per automobilo, nam l'armeo ne posedas specalista sek-aparato por liberigar homi de kolizioninta vehili. Interreto ========= Du versioni di novaji de la BBC ------------------------------- Pos recenta riorganizo di lia novajo-situo, on povas nun selektar inter du versioni di la novaji de la BBC en la interreto. Kande on unesme vizitas la komenco- pagino: http://news.bbc.co.uk on mustas selektar inter novaji de la tota mondo, e novaji de Britania. Kande on pose vizitas la pagino, on automate recevas la selektita prizento dil aktualaji. Tamen on povas facile vidar l'altra prizento per uzar la ligi ye la sinistra kolumno, exemple naviganta a la mondala novaji pos lektar la novaji de Britania. Kun kordiala saluti, La redaktero. La redaktero di La Retala Revueto es James Chandler. La Retala Revueto aparas en Idolisto: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/idolisto ====== Kordiale, James Chandler idojc@hotmail.com http://www.geocities.com/idojc - IALs index http://www.geocities.com/idojc/yindex.html - Ido index http://groups.yahoo.com/group/idolisto - Idolisto home "I cannot but conclude the bulk of your natives to be the most pernicious race of little odious vermin that nature ever suffered to crawl upon the surface of the earth." - Swift, Voyage to Brobdingnag _________________________________________________________________ Choose an Internet access plan right for you -- try MSN! http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/default.asp From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 7151 Return-Path: X-Sender: jeanmartignon@minitel.net X-Apparently-To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_2_1); 23 Oct 2002 19:55:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 87091 invoked from network); 23 Oct 2002 19:55:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Oct 2002 19:55:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp5-out.minitel.net) (193.252.91.38) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Oct 2002 19:55:43 -0000 Received: from gmvtx1 (gmailvtx1.globalmail.net [192.168.220.100]) by smtp5-out.minitel.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 63767136A2; Wed, 23 Oct 2002 21:55:42 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from 69343370435 by minitel.net with X25; Wed, 23 Oct 2002 21:55:42 +0200 (METDST) To: "IDOSTAB" Cc: "IDOLISTO" , "Marion Kasper" , "Manfred Magin" , "IH" , "CEZARO" Subject: Diala jurnaleto (23.X.02) Merkurdie MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <20021023195542.63767136A2@smtp5-out.minitel.net> Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 21:55:42 +0200 (MET DST) From: "JEAN MARTIGNON" Reply-To: jeanmartignon@minitel.net X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=22985400 Dio di santa Ioannes di Capistran DIALA-PROVERBO :- Montras parolo to quon= cerebro valoras. En la zodiako-signo dil Skorpiono regnata dal planeto Pl= utono. VETERO :- Pluvema vetero kun sunoza epizodo ye vesperesko, cajorne,= en Francilia. KONCIZE ---------------------------------------- BRITANIA = : La ministro deskontentigas la brutaro-edukisti --------------------------= -------------- La ministrino, membro di la Labor-par=3D tiso, Margaret Bec= kett, extreme deskontentigis, hiere, la Britaniana brutaro-edukisti e jurna= laro per refuzar, dum la predio, gustar de Britaniana bovo-karno che la nut= ro-expozo en Paris. "L'edukisti di Britaniana bovi astonesos saveskar ke lo= r fotografuri-kunsido destinota promocar la Britaniana bifsteko, la ministr= ino ne gustis de ita produkturo", notis, hiere, la nacionala sindikato dil = Britaniana brutaro-edukisti. ---------------------------------------- EU = :- La dek-e-kin parteneri interkonsentas pri Kaliningrad ------------------= ---------------------- La ministri dil Extera Aferi di le Dek-e-kin interk= onsentis, hiere, en Luxembourg pri la transito-statuto establisota inter la= inkluzajo di Kaliningrad e cetera Rusia, kande EU esos pluvastigita. Ica k= omuna poziciono qua valideskos lor la somitala interrenkontro dil Europana = statestri e guvernerio-chefi eventonta morge e venerdie en Bruxelles, pose = savigesos dal Rusi skope la interrenkontro EU-Rusia qua eventos ye la 11ma = novembro en Kopenhagen. La Rusi admisas ke "transito-statuto per treno sen = visti" ne esas posibla ante la pluvastigo. -------------------------------= --------- ISRAEL :- Peres defensas lua kuncivitani -----------------------= ----------------- L'Israelana ministro pri Extera Aferi, Shimon Peres, ref= utis, hiere, l'Europana kritiki teme dil homala yuri koncerne la Palestinan= i ed asertis ke Israel "esforcas korektigar omna impreso pri violaco" dil h= omala yuri. Parolante lor informili-konfero che l'Europana Parlamento, Shim= on Peres adjuntis ke la terorismal viktimi quale ti dil atento, okurinta (*= ) ye la predio, en nord-Israel "ne profitas la homala yuri". Kordiala salu= ti ad omni. JM :::-::: From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 7152 Return-Path: X-Sender: jeanmartignon@minitel.net X-Apparently-To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_2_1); 24 Oct 2002 11:14:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 59431 invoked from network); 24 Oct 2002 11:14:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Oct 2002 11:14:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp5-out.minitel.net) (193.252.91.38) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Oct 2002 11:14:31 -0000 Received: from gmvtx2 (gmailvtx2.globalmail.net [192.168.220.101]) by smtp5-out.minitel.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 4844E13699; Thu, 24 Oct 2002 13:14:30 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from 67742370135 by minitel.net with X25; Thu, 24 Oct 2002 13:14:30 +0200 (METDST) To: "IDOSTAB" Cc: "IDOLISTO" Subject: Gajo-homi en Moskva MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <20021024111430.4844E13699@smtp5-out.minitel.net> Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 13:14:30 +0200 (MET DST) From: "JEAN MARTIGNON" Reply-To: jeanmartignon@minitel.net X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=22985400 :::-::: Pos Bali, eventas nova hororajo facita da islamani, nome 600 gajo-= homi kaptita da islamana teroristi Checheniana en theatro di Moskva. Inter = li trovesas mult exterlandani. Ultre lo,tiraliero terorizas Washington. Ni = vivas dum tempo di generala terorismo. Quale ico omno finos ? JM :::-::: From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 7153 Return-Path: X-Sender: jeanmartignon@minitel.net X-Apparently-To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_2_1); 24 Oct 2002 18:16:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 31886 invoked from network); 24 Oct 2002 18:16:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Oct 2002 18:16:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp4-out.minitel.net) (193.252.91.37) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Oct 2002 18:16:48 -0000 Received: from gmvtx2 (gmailvtx2.globalmail.net [192.168.220.101]) by smtp4-out.minitel.net (Postfix) with SMTP id BCF819F for ; Thu, 24 Oct 2002 20:16:47 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from 69343370435 by minitel.net with X25; Thu, 24 Oct 2002 20:16:47 +0200 (METDST) To: "IDOLISTO" Subject: Tr: Re: Gajo-homi en Moskva MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="delim.fa5" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <20021024181647.BCF819F@smtp4-out.minitel.net> Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 20:16:47 +0200 (MET DST) From: "JEAN MARTIGNON" Reply-To: "JEAN MARTIGNON" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=22985400 --delim.fa5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable --delim.fa5 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-GMDelimiter: 1035474004-14424@gmailsmtp4 Return-Path: Received: from hueymiccailhuitl.mtu.ru (hueytecuilhuitl.mtu.ru [195.34.32.= 123]) by smtp4.minitel.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 069BF3F14 for ; Thu, 24 Oct 2002 17:40:03 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from localhost (ppp134-75.dialup.mtu-net.ru [62.118.134.75]) by= hueymiccailhuitl.mtu.ru (Postfix) with SMTP id 3A300FB7E7 for ; Thu, 24 Oct 2002 19:40:01 +0400 (MSD) (envelope-from bri= ckswall@mtu-net.ru) X-Message-ID: <006501c27b73$40094500$0100007f@localhost> From: "Alexander E. Kirpichev" To: References: <20021024111430.4844E13699@smtp5-out.minitel.net> Subject: Re: Gajo-homi en Moskva Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 19:33:28 +0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-Id: <1035474004-14424@gmailsmtp4> X-MinitelNet: LU Kara Jean, evidentale pro irga problemi SMTP-servero di mea listal adreso = @freemail.ru ne funkcionas. Voluntez transsendar mea mesajo ad idolisto ed = idostab! Amikale, Alex Kar amiki, kara Jean! To, quo nun eventas en mea ka= r urbo Moskva esas granda terurajo. Regardez ad Al-Jazeera-a informajo pri = l'akto terorismal, e vi vidos qui facas con. Por deskriptar, quon nun senta= s homi en Moskva, me dicos nur un frazo: me timas, nam morge me debos iror = a mea universitato, qua es suficante proxime ad la teatro, ube teroristi es= , forsan ~10-15 min uzante un automobilo. Deo helpez ni! Amikale, Alex P= .S. Voluntez pardonor mea mal e tre esperantajoza Ido, me nun tre okupesas!= --delim.fa5-- From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 7154 Return-Path: X-Sender: jeanmartignon@minitel.net X-Apparently-To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_2_1); 25 Oct 2002 19:48:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 95804 invoked from network); 25 Oct 2002 19:48:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Oct 2002 19:48:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp4-out.minitel.net) (193.252.91.37) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Oct 2002 19:48:38 -0000 Received: from gmvtx1 (gmailvtx1.globalmail.net [192.168.220.100]) by smtp4-out.minitel.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 385AD93; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 21:48:37 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from 69212384135 by minitel.net with X25; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 21:48:37 +0200 (METDST) To: "IDOSTAB" Cc: "IDOLISTO" , "CEZARO" , "Manfred Magin" , "Marion Kasper" , "IH" Subject: Diala jurnaleto (25.X.02) Venerdie MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <20021025194837.385AD93@smtp4-out.minitel.net> Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 21:48:37 +0200 (MET DST) From: "JEAN MARTIGNON" Reply-To: jeanmartignon@minitel.net X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=22985400 Dio di santa Doria DIO-PROVERBO :- Ta qua donas rapide, donas duople. En = la zodiako-signo dil Skorpiono regnata dal planeto Plutono. VETERO :- Pluv= oza vetero qua divenis sunoza ye la vesperesko, cajorne, en Francilia. = KONCIZE ---------------------------------------- USA :- Washingto= n persistas volar atakor Irak ---------------------------------------- Usa= esas ferme rezolvinta guidar koalisuro por senarmigar Irak kaze ke UN ne a= gus. "Se l'Unionita Nacioni ne agos, se oli esos sen energio koncerne lia r= esponsiveso, e se Saddam Hussein ne senarmigos lua lando, lore Usa guidos k= oalisuro ye la nomo dil paco por senarmigor lu", asertis l'Usana prezidanto= dum elektala voyajo en nord-Carolina skope la deputital elekto eventonta y= e la 5ma di novembro. ---------------------------------------- CHEKIA :- = La sanesala stando di Vaclav Havel desamelioreskas ------------------------= ---------------- La sanesala stando dil Chekiana prezidanto Vaclav Havel, = evanta 66 yari, qua sufras depos merkurdie pro infekteso dil respirala orga= ni kun inflameso dil mukozo, desamelioreskis, hiere, anuncis la reprezentan= to dil prezidanterio, Ladislav Spacek. -----------------------------------= ----- CHINIA :- La precipua adyunto di Jiang Zemin demisionas ------------= ---------------------------- Zeng Qinghong, qua konsideresas kom la precip= ua adyunto dil chefo di la Chiniana stato Jiang Zemin, renuncis pri lua max= im importoza ofico. Ico eventas du semani ante la komenco di la 16ma kongre= so dil komunista partiso. Zeng Qinghong, evanta 63 yari, demisionis pri la = ofico di departmentestro di organizo di la centrala komitato dil komunista = partiso. Il esas anke membro dil sekretariaro di la centrala partiso-komita= to e supleanto dil politika oficistaro. ALTRA TITULI - RUSIA : Putin defi= esas da Checheniana teroristi-mafiani en teatro di Moskva. - USA : Du deme= nta tiralieri arestesis en Washington. Li produktis non mortinti. - ANGLIA= : La Londonana guvernerio interdiktas l'islamista organizuro Jamaah Islami= yah qua suspektesas esar implikata pri l'atento di Bali. Kordiala saluti a= d omni. JM :::-::: From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 7155 Return-Path: X-Sender: jeanmartignon@minitel.net X-Apparently-To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_2_1); 25 Oct 2002 20:09:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 87184 invoked from network); 25 Oct 2002 20:09:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Oct 2002 20:09:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp5-out.minitel.net) (193.252.91.38) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Oct 2002 20:09:19 -0000 Received: from gmvtx1 (gmailvtx1.globalmail.net [192.168.220.100]) by smtp5-out.minitel.net (Postfix) with SMTP id BA56C1368A; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 22:09:18 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from 69212384135 by minitel.net with X25; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 22:09:18 +0200 (METDST) To: "IDOSTAB" Cc: "IDOLISTO" , "Marion Kasper" Subject: Kreta e Stonehenge MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <20021025200918.BA56C1368A@smtp5-out.minitel.net> Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 22:09:18 +0200 (MET DST) From: "JEAN MARTIGNON" Reply-To: jeanmartignon@minitel.net X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=22985400 Kelka dii ante nun plura samideani skribis pri Stonehenge. Yes, ico esas re= markinda afero e me vizitis dufoye Stonehenge (1977 e 1988) kun Franca Drui= di qui havis relati kun Britaniana Druidi. Ma ye la sama epoko, cirkume, fl= orifis, 2000 yari ante nia kronologio, tre brilanta civilizuro en Kreta kun= la remarkinda palaci di Knosos. La Kretani disponis individuala balno-kuvi= 2000 yari ante nia ero ! On ritrovos ico erste ye la XVIIIma yarcento en O= cidento, e la Kretana urbi havis preske moderna kloako-sistemo en ica fora = epoko. Exista Greka historiisti e ciencozi qui opinionas ke Kreta esis, pro= bable, Atlantis pri qua parolis Platono. Fakte en 1500 a.K., cirkume, event= is terorigiva volkanala erupto en la vicina insulo di Santorini. La bruiso = dil explozo audesis til Egiptia e la lore existanta Minoika civilizo di Kre= ta destruktesis dum kurta periodo di kelka dii pro la fairo, sismi e maregi= . Ica katastrofo povas tre bone produktir la legendo pri Atlantis. La Egipt= iana ciencozi nur dekopligis la tempo-disto dil evento. La homi dil Antique= so semblas havir granda civilizuri e savi quin ni nesavas. JM :::-::: From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 7156 Return-Path: X-Sender: nanderson@mnns.com X-Apparently-To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_2_1); 25 Oct 2002 21:16:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 78320 invoked from network); 25 Oct 2002 21:16:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Oct 2002 21:16:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sound.scc.net) (209.32.140.11) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Oct 2002 21:16:25 -0000 Received: from mnns.com ([209.32.148.109]) by sound.scc.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g9PLGMO15896 for ; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 16:16:23 -0500 Message-ID: <3DB9B4D2.AC74A39@mnns.com> Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 16:17:06 -0500 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: idolisto Subject: plusa novajo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Nancy Anderson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44685576 X-Yahoo-Profile: nleeanderson Kara samideani, Ica (venerdie) matino senatano di Minnesota, Paul Wellstone (Democrat partiso), mortis pro aeroplano-acidento en nordala Minnesota. Ilua spozino, filiino, e kin altra homi anke mortis. Tale finas ilua esforco por rielektesor en novembro. La equilibro inter Demokrati e Republikani en la usana senato esas ya necerta. Wellstone esis bona homo e forta opozanto pri milito inter Usa ed Iraq. Amikale e triste, Nancy Anderson Minneapolis, Minnesota Usa From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 7157 Return-Path: X-Sender: jeanmartignon@minitel.net X-Apparently-To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_2_1); 26 Oct 2002 07:19:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 99017 invoked from network); 26 Oct 2002 07:19:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Oct 2002 07:19:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp5-out.minitel.net) (193.252.91.38) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Oct 2002 07:19:56 -0000 Received: from gmvtx2 (gmailvtx2.globalmail.net [192.168.220.101]) by smtp5-out.minitel.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 3A1921368F; Sat, 26 Oct 2002 09:19:55 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from 69212384135 by minitel.net with X25; Sat, 26 Oct 2002 09:19:55 +0200 (METDST) To: "IDOSTAB" Cc: "IDOLISTO" Subject: Fino di la kapto di gajo-homi en Moskva MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <20021026071955.3A1921368F@smtp5-out.minitel.net> Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2002 09:19:55 +0200 (MET DST) From: "JEAN MARTIGNON" Reply-To: jeanmartignon@minitel.net X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=22985400 On saveskis camatine ke la gajo-homi qui trovesis en teatreyo di Moskva lib= erigesis da specala trupi en Moskva icamatine. Tamen esas multa mortinti, a= dminime, 34 homi. La plumulta teroristi ocidesis, kelka ek li sucesis fugar= . Lo esas vere tre trista afero, nam nun on timas omnaloke divenor la futur= a viktimi di terorista atenti. Ultre Usa, la west-Europana landi esas apart= e minacata. JM :::-::: From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 7158 Return-Path: X-Sender: mtw@birdseye.view.net.au X-Apparently-To: idolisto@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_2_1); 26 Oct 2002 10:57:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 12751 invoked from network); 26 Oct 2002 10:57:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Oct 2002 10:57:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chameleon.view.net.au) (203.87.111.154) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Oct 2002 10:57:40 -0000 Received: from chameleon.view.net.au (mtw@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chameleon.view.net.au (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g9QAvbs8001729 for ; Sat, 26 Oct 2002 20:27:37 +0930 Received: from localhost (mtw@localhost) by chameleon.view.net.au (8.12.2/8.12.2/Submit) with ESMTP id g9QAvaXt001726 for ; Sat, 26 Oct 2002 20:27:37 +0930 X-Authentication-Warning: chameleon.view.net.au: mtw owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2002 20:27:36 +0930 (CST) X-X-Sender: mtw@chameleon.view.net.au To: Ido Listo Subject: Atako da krokodilo en Kakadu Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Michael Talbot-Wilson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=8823137 Kakadu esas granda dezerta regiono en nordala e tropikatra parto di Australia. Ol havas multa unika speci di planti ed animali e tre diversa e regardinda topografio. Tribuo di aborijeni habitas ibe, e se me ne eroris li esas agnoskata da la lego kom la posederi pri Kakadu, ma anke ol esis proklamata kom parko, tale ke la lego povas restriktar la sorti de uzado di la lando. Permisata uzadi inkluzas turismo. Kelka yuna internaciona turisti esis che Sandy Billabong (Sablatra Lageto), 35 km sude de Jabiru meze di Kakadu, ye 23:30 kloki dum mardio 22 oktobro, kande non ek li decidis natar en la lageto. Li esis kin de Britania, du de Nederlando, e du kunfratini de Germania. Li esis marchinta 1,5 km de lia kampeyo. Omna non plunjis aden la aquo e natis til 10 metri de la rivo, til ke li esis en du metri di profundeso. Esis perfekta vetero e cirkumaji por noktala natado sub la klara luno, ecepte la plura insigni avertanta pri krokodili. Poka sekundi pose, Germanino Isabel von Jordan, evanta 24 yari, kaptesis da 4,6 metra salozaquala (marala) krokodilo. Existas du generi di krokodilo Australiana, la fluvala (sen-sal-aquala), qui esas pasable mikra, e la marala (saloz-aquala) qui esas tre granda. "Ni esis circum dek metri de la rivo, omnu videbla da omni, e ye brakio-disto la una a la altra", dicis James Rothwell. "Me sentis frapo kontre la gambo, e sekundi pose audis yunino kriegar, e la yunino iris sub la aquo." Valerie, 21-evanta fratino di Isabel, dicis ke el sentis la krokodilo frolar elua gambo. Sekundi pose la grupo audis Isabel kriar e vidis obskura formo tirante lu sub la surfaco. La cetero di la grupo atingis la rivo. Li spektis dum ke la krokodilo tiris fore sua viktimo. Li uzis satelit-telefonilo por parolar kun la policani en Jabiru, qui vokis la parko-gardisti. Un ek la natinti dicis: "Ni vidis per la torchi du reda okuli for-irante de ube la yunino jus iris sube, e ni vidis formo di krokodilo natante alonge la surfaco." Membri di la krokodilo-jeranta trupo (di ula organizuro qua nomizis su "Parks Australia") serchis la krokodilo de 1 kloko. Li vidis per la lumo di torchi kin o sis krokodili proxime. Proxim 600 metri fore li vidis la okulo-brilo di granda animalo. Kande li esis plu proxim li povis vidar brakio di la viktimo salianta de olua boko. Li harpunagis ol, igante ol lasar falar la korpo, qua sinkis a la fundo. Bezonis du plusa harpuni ante ke li povas adflotacigar la krokodilo apud la batelo. Tale li adportis la "saltie" (familiara vorto por "salt water crocodile") a la rivo. Parko-gardisti e policano en altra batelo mustis harpunagar la korpo di Isabel. Li facis lo ye 7:15 kloki. Nur tale on povis riganar ol de la fundo. Pro krokodili, nulu audacis enirar la aquo por lo. Li transportis la korpo a Darwin por autopsio. On bone savis ke ok salozaquala krokodili habitas ta lageto. Nun nur esas sep. En la jurnalo "Advertiser" de Adelaide esas pikturo di la krokodilo jacanta jorne sur la sabla rivo di bela lageto. Quar viri genupozas o squatas sur la sablo cirkum e regardante ol, ed omni aspektas kom tre trista. On ne povas savar ka li pensas pri Isabel o la krokodilo. From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 7159 Return-Path: X-Sender: ido.info@chello.nl X-Apparently-To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_2_1); 26 Oct 2002 12:09:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 53784 invoked from network); 26 Oct 2002 12:09:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Oct 2002 12:09:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO amsfep11-int.chello.nl) (213.46.243.20) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Oct 2002 12:09:15 -0000 Received: from stuifbergen ([24.132.24.215]) by amsfep11-int.chello.nl (InterMail vM.5.01.03.06 201-253-122-118-106-20010523) with SMTP id <20021026120914.ZGUI1218.amsfep11-int.chello.nl@stuifbergen> for ; Sat, 26 Oct 2002 14:09:14 +0200 Message-ID: <00b601c27ce8$e7b74600$d7188418@a2000.nl> To: References: Subject: Re: [ido] Atako da krokodilo en Kakadu Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2002 14:12:06 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "Hans Stuifbergen" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=22974939 X-Yahoo-Profile: ido_info nova: ARTHUR RIMBAUD, biografio, 75 pag., 3,50 euri http://www.angelfire.com/id/Avance/TiaListo1.html IDO, LA LINGUO INTERNACIONA http://members.tripod.com/~avancigado http://www.idolinguo.com/ Ido, linguo neutra inter diferanta kulturi ----- Oorspronkelijk bericht ----- Van: "Michael Talbot-Wilson" Aan: "Ido Listo" Verzonden: zaterdag 26 oktober 2002 12:57 Onderwerp: [ido] Atako da krokodilo en Kakadu > Kakadu esas granda dezerta regiono en nordala e tropikatra parto di > Australia. Ol havas multa unika speci di planti ed animali e tre > diversa e regardinda topografio. Tribuo di aborijeni habitas ibe, e > se me ne eroris li esas agnoskata da la lego kom la posederi pri > Kakadu, ma anke ol esis proklamata kom parko, tale ke la lego povas > restriktar la sorti de uzado di la lando. Permisata uzadi inkluzas > turismo. > > Kelka yuna internaciona turisti esis che Sandy Billabong (Sablatra > Lageto), 35 km sude de Jabiru meze di Kakadu, ye 23:30 kloki dum > mardio 22 oktobro, kande non ek li decidis natar en la lageto. Li > esis kin de Britania, du de Nederlando, e du kunfratini de Germania. > Li esis marchinta 1,5 km de lia kampeyo. Omna non plunjis aden la > aquo e natis til 10 metri de la rivo, til ke li esis en du metri di > profundeso. > > Esis perfekta vetero e cirkumaji por noktala natado sub la klara > luno, ecepte la plura insigni avertanta pri krokodili. > > Poka sekundi pose, Germanino Isabel von Jordan, evanta 24 yari, > kaptesis da 4,6 metra salozaquala (marala) krokodilo. > > Existas du generi di krokodilo Australiana, la fluvala > (sen-sal-aquala), qui esas pasable mikra, e la marala (saloz-aquala) > qui esas tre granda. > > "Ni esis circum dek metri de la rivo, omnu videbla da omni, e ye > brakio-disto la una a la altra", dicis James Rothwell. "Me sentis > frapo kontre la gambo, e sekundi pose audis yunino kriegar, e la yunino > iris sub la aquo." > > Valerie, 21-evanta fratino di Isabel, dicis ke el sentis la krokodilo > frolar elua gambo. Sekundi pose la grupo audis Isabel kriar e vidis > obskura formo tirante lu sub la surfaco. > > La cetero di la grupo atingis la rivo. Li spektis dum ke la krokodilo > tiris fore sua viktimo. Li uzis satelit-telefonilo por parolar kun la > policani en Jabiru, qui vokis la parko-gardisti. > > Un ek la natinti dicis: "Ni vidis per la torchi du reda okuli > for-irante de ube la yunino jus iris sube, e ni vidis formo di > krokodilo natante alonge la surfaco." > > Membri di la krokodilo-jeranta trupo (di ula organizuro qua nomizis su > "Parks Australia") serchis la krokodilo de 1 kloko. Li vidis per la > lumo di torchi kin o sis krokodili proxime. Proxim 600 metri fore li > vidis la okulo-brilo di granda animalo. Kande li esis plu proxim li > povis vidar brakio di la viktimo salianta de olua boko. Li harpunagis > ol, igante ol lasar falar la korpo, qua sinkis a la fundo. Bezonis du > plusa harpuni ante ke li povas adflotacigar la krokodilo apud la > batelo. Tale li adportis la "saltie" (familiara vorto por "salt water > crocodile") a la rivo. > > Parko-gardisti e policano en altra batelo mustis harpunagar la korpo > di Isabel. Li facis lo ye 7:15 kloki. Nur tale on povis riganar ol > de la fundo. Pro krokodili, nulu audacis enirar la aquo por lo. Li > transportis la korpo a Darwin por autopsio. > > On bone savis ke ok salozaquala krokodili habitas ta lageto. Nun nur > esas sep. En la jurnalo "Advertiser" de Adelaide esas pikturo di la > krokodilo jacanta jorne sur la sabla rivo di bela lageto. Quar viri > genupozas o squatas sur la sablo cirkum e regardante ol, ed omni > aspektas kom tre trista. On ne povas savar ka li pensas pri Isabel o > la krokodilo. > > > > Ido, linguo neutra inter diferanta kulturi. Linguo di amikeso! > > http://www.idolinguo.com > > Anuncez vua partopreno en la solena internaciona Ido-renkontro okazione la 150ma nasko-dio di Ido-pioniro Wilhelm Ostwald dum la periodo dil 8ma til 11ma di agosto 2003 en la Wilhelm-Ostwald-Memoreyo en Grossbothen che Leipzig (Germania) > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 7160 Return-Path: X-Sender: mtw@birdseye.view.net.au X-Apparently-To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_2_1); 26 Oct 2002 12:14:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 535 invoked from network); 26 Oct 2002 12:14:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Oct 2002 12:14:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chameleon.view.net.au) (203.87.111.154) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Oct 2002 12:14:13 -0000 Received: from chameleon.view.net.au (mtw@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chameleon.view.net.au (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g9QCEAs8001939 for ; Sat, 26 Oct 2002 21:44:10 +0930 Received: from localhost (mtw@localhost) by chameleon.view.net.au (8.12.2/8.12.2/Submit) with ESMTP id g9QCEAKg001936 for ; Sat, 26 Oct 2002 21:44:10 +0930 X-Authentication-Warning: chameleon.view.net.au: mtw owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2002 21:44:10 +0930 (CST) X-X-Sender: mtw@chameleon.view.net.au To: idolisto Subject: Re: [ido] plusa novajo In-Reply-To: <3DB9B4D2.AC74A39@mnns.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Michael Talbot-Wilson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=8823137 Kara Nancy Anderson, Permisez me kondolar pri vua senatano, qua klare ne esis nepersonala funcionero, ma ulu vere amata ed estimata da vu. Amikale, Michael Talbot-Wilson From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 7161 Return-Path: X-Sender: ido.info@chello.nl X-Apparently-To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_2_1); 26 Oct 2002 12:19:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 14864 invoked from network); 26 Oct 2002 12:19:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Oct 2002 12:19:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO amsfep14-int.chello.nl) (213.46.243.22) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Oct 2002 12:19:41 -0000 Received: from stuifbergen ([24.132.24.215]) by amsfep14-int.chello.nl (InterMail vM.5.01.03.06 201-253-122-118-106-20010523) with SMTP id <20021026121940.NEYR1274.amsfep14-int.chello.nl@stuifbergen> for ; Sat, 26 Oct 2002 14:19:40 +0200 Message-ID: <00ba01c27cea$5c9a4200$d7188418@a2000.nl> To: References: Subject: Re: [ido] Atako da krokodilo en Kakadu Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2002 14:22:32 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "Hans Stuifbergen" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=22974939 X-Yahoo-Profile: ido_info Kara Michael ed altri, Pardonez me pro erore risendar la mesajo da Michael. Me acidente pulsis la 'sendo'-butono. Tamen, me nur volis komplimentar Michael Talbot-Wilson pro ilua ecelanta deskripto (agreabla-stile) di la tragedio en Kakadu. Omno lektesis kom tre timiganta hororajo, sat luranta por restar lektanta. Me regretas la mortinto. Cetere, me anke regretas la mortinta Australiani pro l' atento en Indonezia. (Pardonez me pro mea tardeso). Me rimemoras ke vu skribis ula-mesaje ke nacionala telejurnali sempre (nur) interesesas pri viktimi di propra nacionaleso. Me regretas mencionar ke tale anke es la kazo en Nederlando. Ofte kande katastrofo o dizastrajo eventas, on mencionas la nombro de Nederlandana viktimi, quale se ti es plu importanta kam l' altra viktimi. Stupidege, komprenende! Me salutas de autunoza Amsterdam, Hans St. -- nova: ARTHUR RIMBAUD, biografio, 75 pag., 3,50 euri http://www.angelfire.com/id/Avance/TiaListo1.html IDO, LA LINGUO INTERNACIONA http://members.tripod.com/~avancigado http://www.idolinguo.com/ Ido, linguo neutra inter diferanta kulturi From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 7162 Return-Path: X-Sender: brickswall@mtu-net.ru X-Apparently-To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_2_1); 26 Oct 2002 12:32:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 40311 invoked from network); 26 Oct 2002 12:32:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Oct 2002 12:32:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hueymiccailhuitl.mtu.ru) (195.34.32.123) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Oct 2002 12:32:23 -0000 Received: from localhost (ppp152-125.dialup.mtu-net.ru [62.118.152.125]) by hueymiccailhuitl.mtu.ru (Postfix) with SMTP id 08145FAB24; Sat, 26 Oct 2002 16:32:15 +0400 (MSD) (envelope-from brickswall@mtu-net.ru) Message-ID: <00aa01c27ceb$5b58cbe0$0100007f@localhost> To: , "IDOLISTO" Subject: Re: [idostab] Fino di la kapto di gajo-homi en Moskva Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2002 16:29:32 +0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="koi8-r" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 From: "Alexander E. Kirpichev" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=9039566 X-Yahoo-Profile: nostrev Saluti ad omni! Danko a Jean pro transsendo di mea lasta mesajo! Espereble, me skribos mult informaji pri l'afero. Segun la neoficiala informaciono, inter la gajo-homi esis un yunino de paralela ad mea studgrupo (to signifas ke ni sempre havis lekcioni ye sama temporo, en sama loki), do quankam me savas elu personale, me vidis el ofte. Amikale, Alex P.S. Last informo: 67 mortinti From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 7163 Return-Path: X-Sender: ido.info@chello.nl X-Apparently-To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_2_1); 26 Oct 2002 12:38:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 81559 invoked from network); 26 Oct 2002 12:38:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Oct 2002 12:38:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO amsfep15-int.chello.nl) (213.46.243.28) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Oct 2002 12:38:55 -0000 Received: from stuifbergen ([24.132.24.215]) by amsfep15-int.chello.nl (InterMail vM.5.01.03.06 201-253-122-118-106-20010523) with SMTP id <20021026123854.JQDX1260.amsfep15-int.chello.nl@stuifbergen>; Sat, 26 Oct 2002 14:38:54 +0200 Message-ID: <00c601c27ced$0cb9ed00$d7188418@a2000.nl> To: "Alexander E. Kirpichev" Cc: "idolisto" , "idostab" References: <20021024111430.4844E13699@smtp5-out.minitel.net> <1035474004-14424@gmailsmtp4> Subject: Re: Gajo-homi en Moskva Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2002 14:41:47 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "Hans Stuifbergen" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=22974939 X-Yahoo-Profile: ido_info Kara Alexander, Me jus lektis vua mesajo pri la kruelega teroristal ago en Moskva. Me komprenas tre bone ke vu ne es kapabla skribar en tro perfekta Ido pri l' afero, pro ke lo okupas la tota socio di Rusia, mem la mondo (en Nederlando on parolas shokite pri l' eventuro). Skribante ca mesajo, la kaptado di gajo-homi es finita (me erste lektis to che Idostab, pose enswichis la televiziono), e ye la televiziono on dicis ke ne es savata quanta personi mortis exakte. Se 'nur' (omna vivo kontas, ka ne) mortis poki, lore esos vinko por Putin, se mortis multi, lore esos dramato por l' estimeso di Putin. A me ne semblas facila tasko esar prezidanto dum krizi tala. Jean Martignon ja skribis en ilua Diala Jurnaleto ke islamani despopularigas su per tala agi. Me timas ke il es justa, audante la homi cirkum me en la strado. Tamen, me laboras e vivas (kom vicini) kun multa islamani qui anke sincere kondamnas l' agi teroristala da lia sam-religiani e qui donas a me sat multa fido ke li ne es tala quala la fanatiki. Ma restas la questiono di Chechenia. Ka ta problemo povas esar solvata? Quale? Me deziras omna lo bona por la Moskvani e forteso dum ca tempi. Saluti amikala, Hans St. -- nova: ARTHUR RIMBAUD, biografio, 75 pag., 3,50 euri http://www.angelfire.com/id/Avance/TiaListo1.html IDO, LA LINGUO INTERNACIONA http://members.tripod.com/~avancigado http://www.idolinguo.com/ Ido, linguo neutra inter diferanta kulturi From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 7164 Return-Path: X-Sender: nanderson@mnns.com X-Apparently-To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_2_1); 26 Oct 2002 13:26:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 69419 invoked from network); 26 Oct 2002 13:26:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Oct 2002 13:26:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp.soundinternet.com) (209.32.150.21) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Oct 2002 13:26:22 -0000 Received: from mnns.com ([209.32.148.109]) by smtp.soundinternet.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g9QDQLo06769 for ; Sat, 26 Oct 2002 08:26:21 -0500 Message-ID: <3DBA9829.8B1EBB4E@mnns.com> Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2002 08:27:06 -0500 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ido] plusa novajo References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Nancy Anderson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44685576 X-Yahoo-Profile: nleeanderson Danko. Me nultempe renkontris ilu, ma lu esis quaze amiko ad omni. Oni dicas, ke lu sempre traktis bonkordie mem la maxim povra e nepotenta homi, mem se fotografili ne asistas. Ilu esis amata ed estimata da tre multa homi en Minnesota e Washington, D.C.. Ni sinistrani ne afordas* la perdo di tala politikisto. Amikale, Nancy Michael Talbot-Wilson wrote: > Permisez me kondolar pri vua senatano, qua klare ne esis > nepersonala funcionero, ma ulu vere amata ed estimata da vu. From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 7165 Return-Path: X-Sender: ido.info@chello.nl X-Apparently-To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_2_1); 26 Oct 2002 14:06:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 47502 invoked from network); 26 Oct 2002 14:06:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Oct 2002 14:06:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO amsfep12-int.chello.nl) (213.46.243.18) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Oct 2002 14:06:50 -0000 Received: from stuifbergen ([24.132.24.215]) by amsfep12-int.chello.nl (InterMail vM.5.01.03.06 201-253-122-118-106-20010523) with SMTP id <20021026140649.HAZB1261.amsfep12-int.chello.nl@stuifbergen> for ; Sat, 26 Oct 2002 16:06:49 +0200 Message-ID: <011601c27cf9$55423b20$d7188418@a2000.nl> To: References: <200210231354.ADD53317@mail-1.amstrad.demon.net> Subject: Re: [ido] Kiev e Boris Aaronov Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2002 16:09:43 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "Hans Stuifbergen" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=22974939 X-Yahoo-Profile: ido_info Kara David e James, Kad es posibla, ula-maniere, ke la texti da Aaronov es lektebla. Forsan interrete, ka? Cetere, to pensigas da me pri altra afero. Me volis lektar "Histoire du la langue universelle" ye l' interreto, ma nur trovis du chapitri. Ka ta projeto esos finata, ulafoye? Me lo tre esperas, pro ke interesas ta libro a me. Saluti amikala, Hans St. -- nova: ARTHUR RIMBAUD, biografio, 75 pag., 3,50 euri http://www.angelfire.com/id/Avance/TiaListo1.html IDO, LA LINGUO INTERNACIONA http://members.tripod.com/~avancigado http://www.idolinguo.com/ Ido, linguo neutra inter diferanta kulturi From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 7166 Return-Path: X-Sender: brickswall@mtu-net.ru X-Apparently-To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_2_1); 26 Oct 2002 15:32:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 63994 invoked from network); 26 Oct 2002 15:32:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Oct 2002 15:32:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hueymiccailhuitl.mtu.ru) (195.34.32.123) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Oct 2002 15:32:33 -0000 Received: from localhost (ppp144-255.dialup.mtu-net.ru [62.118.144.255]) by hueymiccailhuitl.mtu.ru (Postfix) with SMTP id 6D03AFAC09; Sat, 26 Oct 2002 19:32:31 +0400 (MSD) (envelope-from brickswall@mtu-net.ru) Message-ID: <000f01c27d04$8786e120$0100007f@localhost> To: "Hans Stuifbergen" Cc: , "IDOLISTO" References: <20021024111430.4844E13699@smtp5-out.minitel.net> <1035474004-14424@gmailsmtp4> <00c601c27ced$0cb9ed00$d7188418@a2000.nl> Subject: Re: Gajo-homi en Moskva Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2002 19:28:39 +0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 From: "Alexander E. Kirpichev" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=9039566 X-Yahoo-Profile: nostrev Kara Hans, Danko pro la kuneso kun ni en la temporo tre mala! > Ma restas la questiono di Chechenia. Ka ta problemo povas esar solvata? > Quale? Me kredis e kredas nun ke forsan nun la problemo ne povas esar solvata, komprenez, kande tale nomata "l'unsema guero" finesis, la rezulto esis ke en 2000 devus esar referendumo en Chechenia pri ne-dependeso (Ma pos l'atako ad altra respubliko di Rusi -Dagestan, RF ne povis ne querir kun la rejimo vakhabit*a). Dum la periodo til l'okaziono, esis en Chechenia rejimo, qua jam nomesas "ne-dependa", kelka punti: la cienco esis nur islamal, e.g. oficiala ciencisti pruvis ke 1. La linguo di Eva ed Adam esis Checheniana. 2. L'italiani esas checheniani, lia linguo esas transformita checheniana edc., personi, qua esis l'oficiali di la "respubliko", prenis gajo-homi pro (ransom, redemption), printis dolari amerikana por l'Europa landi. Multa havis... (slaves?)! edc. La vesto armial di Chechenia dum l'unesma guero esis tre tre simila ad... vesto dil armio dil la 3esma Reich... Quala questioni povas esar plu?.. Me sempre dicas un frazo: me komprenas, ke irga naciono volas havor ne-dependeso, ma li uzez metodi di Mahatma Gandi, metodi pacifal e nur tande tota mondo lin (suportos). Se on uzas altra metodi, li ne kredas, ke onua propra naciono lin suportas. Ma, Checheniani dicis en lasta dii ke rilacioni ad ili, qua vivas en omna parti di Rusia Federaciono esos plumaligita. Uli volas ke rusiani mortigez un l'altra. Uli volas konflikti internacional. Pri islamani, me debas dicor ke me havas multa amiki-islamani, anke me havas ne-amiki ed inter islamani ed mem inter mea samreligionani, bon o mal es irga persono dependas ne de religio, ma de persono propre. > Me deziras omna lo bona por la Moskvani e forteso dum ca tempi. Danko! Me (slept, sonis, spal) dum lasta dii poke, nun pro nervi me havas forta (headache) e ne povas skribar nek en bon Ido, nek multe. Hiere me havis testo en l'Angla, e skribis e.g. When she returned home, her husbend COOKED dinner. Can you give me SOME help edc. edc. Deo helpez a la mondo e ni omna! Amikale, Alexander. Last informo: 90 mortinti, plu kam 700 vivas. From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 7167 Return-Path: X-Sender: ido.info@chello.nl X-Apparently-To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_2_1); 26 Oct 2002 18:55:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 65220 invoked from network); 26 Oct 2002 18:55:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Oct 2002 18:55:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO amsfep14-int.chello.nl) (213.46.243.22) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Oct 2002 18:55:03 -0000 Received: from stuifbergen ([24.132.24.215]) by amsfep14-int.chello.nl (InterMail vM.5.01.03.06 201-253-122-118-106-20010523) with SMTP id <20021026185502.ZLVN1274.amsfep14-int.chello.nl@stuifbergen> for ; Sat, 26 Oct 2002 20:55:02 +0200 Message-ID: <017201c27d21$9a0aff80$d7188418@a2000.nl> To: References: <3DBA9829.8B1EBB4E@mnns.com> Subject: Re: [ido] plusa novajo Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2002 20:57:58 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "Hans Stuifbergen" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=22974939 X-Yahoo-Profile: ido_info Kara Nancy, Anke me deziras kondolar vu pro la perdo di favorata politikisto. Me esperas ke vu e l' adheranti trovez forteso por kontinuigar vers la direciono di Paul Wellstone. Saluti kordiala, Hans St. -- nova: ARTHUR RIMBAUD, biografio, 75 pag., 3,50 euri http://www.angelfire.com/id/Avance/TiaListo1.html IDO, LA LINGUO INTERNACIONA http://members.tripod.com/~avancigado http://www.idolinguo.com/ Ido, linguo neutra inter diferanta kulturi ----- Oorspronkelijk bericht ----- Van: "Nancy Anderson" Aan: Verzonden: zaterdag 26 oktober 2002 15:27 Onderwerp: Re: [ido] plusa novajo > > Danko. Me nultempe renkontris ilu, ma lu esis quaze amiko ad omni. Oni > dicas, ke lu sempre traktis bonkordie mem la maxim povra e nepotenta > homi, mem se fotografili ne asistas. Ilu esis amata ed estimata da tre > multa homi en Minnesota e Washington, D.C.. Ni sinistrani ne afordas* > la perdo di tala politikisto. > > Amikale, > Nancy > > Michael Talbot-Wilson wrote: > > > Permisez me kondolar pri vua senatano, qua klare ne esis > > nepersonala funcionero, ma ulu vere amata ed estimata da vu. > > > Ido, linguo neutra inter diferanta kulturi. Linguo di amikeso! > > http://www.idolinguo.com > > Anuncez vua partopreno en la solena internaciona Ido-renkontro okazione la 150ma nasko-dio di Ido-pioniro Wilhelm Ostwald dum la periodo dil 8ma til 11ma di agosto 2003 en la Wilhelm-Ostwald-Memoreyo en Grossbothen che Leipzig (Germania) > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 7168 Return-Path: X-Sender: mtw@birdseye.view.net.au X-Apparently-To: idolisto@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_2_1); 27 Oct 2002 02:58:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 22440 invoked from network); 27 Oct 2002 02:58:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Oct 2002 02:58:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chameleon.view.net.au) (203.87.111.154) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Oct 2002 02:58:14 -0000 Received: from chameleon.view.net.au (mtw@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chameleon.view.net.au (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g9R2wCjr000855; Sun, 27 Oct 2002 13:28:12 +1030 Received: from localhost (mtw@localhost) by chameleon.view.net.au (8.12.2/8.12.2/Submit) with ESMTP id g9R2wBFd000852; Sun, 27 Oct 2002 13:28:12 +1030 X-Authentication-Warning: chameleon.view.net.au: mtw owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 13:28:11 +1030 (CST) X-X-Sender: mtw@chameleon.view.net.au To: Ido Listo Cc: Linguo Listo Subject: Averto Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Michael Talbot-Wilson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=8823137 Kara amiki, Me tre rare vizitas groups.yahoo.com per la WWW, ma hodie me facis lo pos ke me efacis per acidento ne-lektinta mesajo da Carlo Nardini a linguolisto. Kande me atingis groups.yahoo.com me vidis plura karton-insigni, ica dicante ke mea komputoral tempo esas nejusta: Klikez! por justigar ol; ita dicanta ke me komputoro ja enrejistris plura detali inkluzante "instant messages", "chat sessions", "sites visited", "popups loaded", "started and finished downloads", "your credit card info" quin altra homi povas lektar, do: Klikez! por efacar omno; altra dicante Klikez! (od irez adavane per klikez "OK" butono) por obtenar "11 Free CDs!"; mem altra nur ke nun on povas atingar la vizata pagino pos klikinte Hike! Se me esus uzante Microsoft Windows me quik (would switch off) la komputoro. Fakte me quik abortis la X Window System. (Me regretas la mixuro di Angla, me esas in a great hurry.) Preske certe groups.yahoo.com esas atakita e kaptita per la Interret. Altra posibleso relatas la name server, tale ke forsan me fakte atingis diferanta situo qua montris su ipsa kom yahoogroups. Nultempe klikez se ulo nevolata postulas lo! Evitez e forigez la kartono sen tushanta irgo! Amikale, Michael Talbot-Wilson From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 7169 Return-Path: X-Sender: jeanmartignon@minitel.net X-Apparently-To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_2_1); 27 Oct 2002 12:40:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 30076 invoked from network); 27 Oct 2002 12:40:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Oct 2002 12:40:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp4-out.minitel.net) (193.252.91.37) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Oct 2002 12:40:11 -0000 Received: from gmvtx1 (gmailvtx1.globalmail.net [192.168.220.100]) by smtp4-out.minitel.net (Postfix) with SMTP id C351C8F; Sun, 27 Oct 2002 13:40:10 +0100 (MET) Received: from 67742370135 by minitel.net with X25; Sun, 27 Oct 2002 13:40:10 +0100 (MET) To: "IDOSTAB" Cc: "IDOLISTO" Subject: Quala gaso en Moskva =?iso-8859-1?Q?=3F?= MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <20021027124010.C351C8F@smtp4-out.minitel.net> Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 13:40:10 +0100 (MET) From: "JEAN MARTIGNON" Reply-To: jeanmartignon@minitel.net X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=22985400 La jurnalisti en westala landi, nun su questionas : quala gaso lansesis en = la teatreyo di Moskva ube la gajo-homi esis kaptita ? Til nun ica questiono= esas sen respondo, nam probable ico esas sekreto dil Rusa guvernerio. Semb= las tamen,ke danke ica gaso, omna o preske omna teroristi povis ocidesar. N= ihilominus (*) esas pavoriganta fakto ke esis mulierachi inter la terorista= chi ed eli ne esis min rezolvinta mortigar kam la virachi. JM :::-::: From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 7170 Return-Path: X-Sender: idojc@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_2_1); 27 Oct 2002 15:35:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 23212 invoked from network); 27 Oct 2002 15:35:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Oct 2002 15:35:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.17.126) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Oct 2002 15:35:52 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 27 Oct 2002 07:35:52 -0800 Received: from 195.92.198.75 by lw11fd.law11.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 27 Oct 2002 15:35:52 GMT To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: [ido] Kiev e Boris Aaronov Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 15:35:52 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Oct 2002 15:35:52.0652 (UTC) FILETIME=[887E78C0:01C27DCE] From: "James Chandler" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=24528831 X-Yahoo-Profile: idojc Kara Hans Pri la Histoire Universelle, me komencis kelka yari ante nun pozar ol aden la reto. Ma me nultempe posedis exemplero di la libro. Me havis aranjo kun viro en Usa, kun qua me kambiis texti pri lingui konstruktita (me mem vizitis l'Universitato di Bath unfoye por obtenar materio por sendar ad il). Il sendis a me parti dil Histoire kande me demandis. Ma ol esis desfacila laboro (pro ula simboli neprezenta lore en HTML), e me ne duris ol. La Histoire es nun riimprimita da editerio en Germania (segun reklamo en Progreso interaltre), do forsan me obtenos exemplero por finar la projeto (se ol ne es tro chera!). Kordiale, James Chandler idojc@hotmail.com http://www.geocities.com/idojc - IALs index http://www.geocities.com/idojc/yindex.html - Ido index http://groups.yahoo.com/group/idolisto - Idolisto home "I cannot but conclude the bulk of your natives to be the most pernicious race of little odious vermin that nature ever suffered to crawl upon the surface of the earth." - Swift, Voyage to Brobdingnag >From: "Hans Stuifbergen" >Reply-To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com >To: >Subject: Re: [ido] Kiev e Boris Aaronov >Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2002 16:09:43 +0200 > >Kara David e James, > >Kad es posibla, ula-maniere, ke la texti da Aaronov es lektebla. Forsan >interrete, ka? > >Cetere, to pensigas da me pri altra afero. Me volis lektar "Histoire du la >langue universelle" ye l' interreto, ma nur trovis du chapitri. > >Ka ta projeto esos finata, ulafoye? Me lo tre esperas, pro ke interesas ta >libro a me. > >Saluti amikala, > >Hans St. >-- >nova: ARTHUR RIMBAUD, biografio, 75 pag., 3,50 euri >http://www.angelfire.com/id/Avance/TiaListo1.html > >IDO, LA LINGUO INTERNACIONA >http://members.tripod.com/~avancigado >http://www.idolinguo.com/ > > >Ido, linguo neutra inter diferanta kulturi > > _________________________________________________________________ Internet access plans that fit your lifestyle -- join MSN. http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/default.asp From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 7171 Return-Path: X-Sender: nanderson@mnns.com X-Apparently-To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_2_1); 27 Oct 2002 17:22:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 17533 invoked from network); 27 Oct 2002 17:22:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Oct 2002 17:22:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp.soundinternet.com) (209.32.150.21) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Oct 2002 17:22:35 -0000 Received: from mnns.com ([209.32.148.109]) by smtp.soundinternet.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g9RHMXo20310 for ; Sun, 27 Oct 2002 11:22:34 -0600 Message-ID: <3DBC20EC.ED708D06@mnns.com> Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 11:22:52 -0600 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ido] plusa novajo References: <3DBA9829.8B1EBB4E@mnns.com> <017201c27d21$9a0aff80$d7188418@a2000.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Nancy Anderson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44685576 X-Yahoo-Profile: nleeanderson Hans Stuifbergen wrote: > Anke me deziras kondolar vu pro la perdo di favorata politikisto. Me > esperas > ke vu e l' adheranti trovez forteso por kontinuigar vers la direciono > di > Paul Wellstone. Me dankas a vu. Yes, ni durigos ilua laboro tam bone kam posible. Lu volus lo. Amikale, Nancy From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 7172 Return-Path: X-Sender: jeanmartignon@minitel.net X-Apparently-To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_2_1); 27 Oct 2002 19:31:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 10662 invoked from network); 27 Oct 2002 19:31:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Oct 2002 19:31:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp4-out.minitel.net) (193.252.91.37) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Oct 2002 19:31:36 -0000 Received: from gmvtx2 (gmailvtx2.globalmail.net [192.168.220.101]) by smtp4-out.minitel.net (Postfix) with SMTP id B87949C; Sun, 27 Oct 2002 20:31:35 +0100 (MET) Received: from 67742370135 by minitel.net with X25; Sun, 27 Oct 2002 20:31:35 +0100 (MET) To: "IDOSTAB" Cc: "IDOLISTO" Subject: Tempesto en west-Europa MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <20021027193135.B87949C@smtp4-out.minitel.net> Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 20:31:35 +0100 (MET) From: "JEAN MARTIGNON" Reply-To: jeanmartignon@minitel.net X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=22985400 :::-::: Cadie eventis granda tempesto en west-Europa. Dek-e-kin personi mo= rtis pro la konsequi di ca tempesto. Mem la naturo imitas la terorismo. JM= :::-::: From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 7173 Return-Path: X-Sender: eberhard.scholz@idolinguo.de X-Apparently-To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_2_1); 27 Oct 2002 20:26:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 33662 invoked from network); 27 Oct 2002 20:26:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Oct 2002 20:26:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO moutvdom.kundenserver.de) (195.20.224.200) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Oct 2002 20:26:53 -0000 Received: from [195.20.224.220] (helo=mrvdomng.kundenserver.de) by moutvdom.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 185tzo-0008FK-00; Sun, 27 Oct 2002 21:26:52 +0100 Received: from [213.6.215.91] (helo=scholz) by mrvdomng.kundenserver.de with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 185tzn-0003nT-00; Sun, 27 Oct 2002 21:26:52 +0100 Message-ID: <000b01c29653$34a55e60$5bd706d5@scholz> To: Cc: "Hans Stuifbergen" References: <004f01c27a08$8dcc51e0$d7188418@a2000.nl> Subject: Interhelpo Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 21:23:46 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Eberhard Scholz" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=23339976 X-Yahoo-Profile: e_scholz2002 Kara Hans , me savas ,ke nia energioz amiko Frank vizitis Idisto Borivoi Marechek ante multa yari en Kirgizia (kad Kirgizistan ?) Me nur posedas certe la sama libreto pri la interhelpo quan anke tu havas. Forsan la samideano Janna en Kiiv anke povas plu bone helpar. Dum la socialisma tempi aparis en olima jurnalo Horizont artikolo pri Rudolf Marechek , patro di Borivoi. Me ne savas , ka me ankore posedas ica peco dil jurnalo. Ica Rudolf Marechek esis glorioza persono e bona Idisto. Pri lu skriptesis tri-toma romano. Ilu migris tra la tota Germania , askoltis la socialisto August Bebel e duktis la Oktobral Revoluciono en Mez-Asian landi. Anke il apartenis a la fondisti dil kooperativo Interhelpo en Mezasia. Ilu esis poligloto parolinta plu multa kam 10 lingui . En mea posedajo trovesus adminime un atesto letrala di amiko Rudolf M., quan me recevis del evozo( ka me trovos ol ?). Forsan altra Idisti povas kontributar plusa detali , me pensas ed esperas. Amikal saluti - Eberhard From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 7174 Return-Path: X-Sender: ido.info@chello.nl X-Apparently-To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_2_1); 27 Oct 2002 21:47:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 52948 invoked from network); 27 Oct 2002 21:47:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Oct 2002 21:47:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO amsfep11-int.chello.nl) (213.46.243.20) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Oct 2002 21:47:55 -0000 Received: from stuifbergen ([24.132.24.215]) by amsfep11-int.chello.nl (InterMail vM.5.01.03.06 201-253-122-118-106-20010523) with SMTP id <20021027214754.XEHT1218.amsfep11-int.chello.nl@stuifbergen> for ; Sun, 27 Oct 2002 22:47:54 +0100 Message-ID: <001c01c27e02$e9c918e0$d7188418@a2000.nl> To: "idolisto" Subject: Sud-Afrika Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 22:50:47 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "Hans Stuifbergen" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=22974939 X-Yahoo-Profile: ido_info Kara amiki, Sud-Afrikano pregis a me tradukar la nomi di la sequanta Sud-afrikana lingui aden Ido: "and if possible the Ido words for: Zulu, Xhosa, Afrikaans, Sepedi, Sesotho, isiNdebele, Setswana, siSwati, Tshivenda, and Xitsonga." Kad existas Ido-formo di ca lingui? Saluti amikala, Hans St. -- nova: ARTHUR RIMBAUD, biografio, 75 pag., 3,50 euri http://www.angelfire.com/id/Avance/TiaListo1.html IDO, LA LINGUO INTERNACIONA http://members.tripod.com/~avancigado http://www.idolinguo.com/ Ido, linguo neutra inter diferanta kulturi From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 7175 Return-Path: X-Sender: ido.info@chello.nl X-Apparently-To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_2_1); 27 Oct 2002 22:03:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 99889 invoked from network); 27 Oct 2002 22:03:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Oct 2002 22:03:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO amsfep15-int.chello.nl) (213.46.243.28) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Oct 2002 22:03:28 -0000 Received: from stuifbergen ([24.132.24.215]) by amsfep15-int.chello.nl (InterMail vM.5.01.03.06 201-253-122-118-106-20010523) with SMTP id <20021027220327.GVLD1260.amsfep15-int.chello.nl@stuifbergen> for ; Sun, 27 Oct 2002 23:03:27 +0100 Message-ID: <006301c27e05$15f1ce60$d7188418@a2000.nl> To: References: Subject: Histoire de langue universelle Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 23:06:22 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "Hans Stuifbergen" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=22974939 X-Yahoo-Profile: ido_info Ha James, Segun reklamo en Progreso, ka? Ma yes, komprenende, vu es justa!!! Me tote obliviis to. Tamen, segun ta reklamo, exemplero kustas DM 228,-- (cirkume 114 euro!). Me inquestos pri to che l' editerio. Saluti amikala, Hans St. -- nova: ARTHUR RIMBAUD, biografio, 75 pag., 3,50 euri http://www.angelfire.com/id/Avance/TiaListo1.html IDO, LA LINGUO INTERNACIONA http://members.tripod.com/~avancigado http://www.idolinguo.com/ Ido, linguo neutra inter diferanta kulturi ----- Oorspronkelijk bericht ----- Van: "James Chandler" Aan: Verzonden: zondag 27 oktober 2002 16:35 Onderwerp: Re: [ido] Kiev e Boris Aaronov > Kara Hans > > Pri la Histoire Universelle, me komencis kelka yari ante nun pozar ol aden > la reto. Ma me nultempe posedis exemplero di la libro. Me havis aranjo kun > viro en Usa, kun qua me kambiis texti pri lingui konstruktita (me mem > vizitis l'Universitato di Bath unfoye por obtenar materio por sendar ad il). > Il sendis a me parti dil Histoire kande me demandis. Ma ol esis desfacila > laboro (pro ula simboli neprezenta lore en HTML), e me ne duris ol. La > Histoire es nun riimprimita da editerio en Germania (segun reklamo en > Progreso interaltre), do forsan me obtenos exemplero por finar la projeto > (se ol ne es tro chera!). > > Kordiale, James Chandler > idojc@hotmail.com > http://www.geocities.com/idojc - IALs index > http://www.geocities.com/idojc/yindex.html - Ido index > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/idolisto - Idolisto home > > "I cannot but conclude the bulk of your natives to be the most pernicious > race of little odious vermin that nature ever suffered to crawl upon the > surface of the earth." - Swift, Voyage to Brobdingnag > > > > > > >From: "Hans Stuifbergen" > >Reply-To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com > >To: > >Subject: Re: [ido] Kiev e Boris Aaronov > >Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2002 16:09:43 +0200 > > > >Kara David e James, > > > >Kad es posibla, ula-maniere, ke la texti da Aaronov es lektebla. Forsan > >interrete, ka? > > > >Cetere, to pensigas da me pri altra afero. Me volis lektar "Histoire du la > >langue universelle" ye l' interreto, ma nur trovis du chapitri. > > > >Ka ta projeto esos finata, ulafoye? Me lo tre esperas, pro ke interesas ta > >libro a me. > > > >Saluti amikala, > > > >Hans St. > >-- > >nova: ARTHUR RIMBAUD, biografio, 75 pag., 3,50 euri > >http://www.angelfire.com/id/Avance/TiaListo1.html > > > >IDO, LA LINGUO INTERNACIONA > >http://members.tripod.com/~avancigado > >http://www.idolinguo.com/ > > > > > >Ido, linguo neutra inter diferanta kulturi > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Internet access plans that fit your lifestyle -- join MSN. > http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/default.asp > > > > Ido, linguo neutra inter diferanta kulturi. Linguo di amikeso! > > http://www.idolinguo.com > > Anuncez vua partopreno en la solena internaciona Ido-renkontro okazione la 150ma nasko-dio di Ido-pioniro Wilhelm Ostwald dum la periodo dil 8ma til 11ma di agosto 2003 en la Wilhelm-Ostwald-Memoreyo en Grossbothen che Leipzig (Germania) > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 7176 Return-Path: X-Sender: ido.info@chello.nl X-Apparently-To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_2_1); 27 Oct 2002 22:28:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 29784 invoked from network); 27 Oct 2002 22:28:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Oct 2002 22:28:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO amsfep15-int.chello.nl) (213.46.243.28) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Oct 2002 22:28:32 -0000 Received: from stuifbergen ([24.132.24.215]) by amsfep15-int.chello.nl (InterMail vM.5.01.03.06 201-253-122-118-106-20010523) with SMTP id <20021027222831.HGMZ1260.amsfep15-int.chello.nl@stuifbergen> for ; Sun, 27 Oct 2002 23:28:31 +0100 Message-ID: <009e01c27e08$968a9d60$d7188418@a2000.nl> To: References: <004f01c27a08$8dcc51e0$d7188418@a2000.nl> <000b01c29653$34a55e60$5bd706d5@scholz> Subject: Re: [ido] Interhelpo Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 23:31:21 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "Hans Stuifbergen" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=22974939 X-Yahoo-Profile: ido_info Kara Eberhard, To es tre valoroza informo, quon vu skribis pri Borivoi e Rudolf Marechek. danko. Me transsendis l' informo a Matti Braun, qua interesas pri ta historio. Cetere, ti qui lojas proxim K�ln (Germania), me invitas vizitar la Borso di Arto, ube Matti Braun prizentos Ido-parolata videofilmeto pri Silvio Gesell. Saluti amikala, Hans St. -- nova: ARTHUR RIMBAUD, biografio, 75 pag., 3,50 euri http://www.angelfire.com/id/Avance/TiaListo1.html IDO, LA LINGUO INTERNACIONA http://members.tripod.com/~avancigado http://www.idolinguo.com/ Ido, linguo neutra inter diferanta kulturi From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 7177 Return-Path: X-Sender: dongasper2@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_2_1); 28 Oct 2002 02:55:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 95710 invoked from network); 28 Oct 2002 02:55:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Oct 2002 02:55:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web40504.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.78.121) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Oct 2002 02:55:44 -0000 Message-ID: <20021028025544.36875.qmail@web40504.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [203.186.14.12] by web40504.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 27 Oct 2002 18:55:44 PST Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 18:55:44 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [ido] Quala gaso en Moskva ? To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20021027124010.C351C8F@smtp4-out.minitel.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1772415579-1035773744=:36406" From: Donald Gasper X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=118145963 --0-1772415579-1035773744=:36406 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Westala specialisti sugestas ke la gaso uzata esis BZ, speco di gaso nervala qua povas havar severa efekti ye la kordio e pulmoni. Ma klare la autoritati facis granda miskalkulo nam 116 (la oficala nombro til nun) dil cirkum 750 gajo-homi ocidesis per ica gaso: Ne dal teroristi ma dal "propra" trupi. Semblas ke la specala trupi ocidis la maxim granda nombro dil preske 50 checheni (viri e mulieri) per fusil-pafi a lia kapi dum ke li esis nekoncia... La mulieri chechena qua mortis esis grandaparte viduini - viktimi dil milito en Chechenia. JEAN MARTIGNON skribis:La jurnalisti en westala landi, nun su questionas : quala gaso lansesis en la teatreyo di Moskva ube la gajo-homi esis kaptita ? Til nun ica questiono esas sen respondo, nam probable ico esas sekreto dil Rusa guvernerio. Semblas tamen,ke danke ica gaso, omna o preske omna teroristi povis ocidesar. Nihilominus (*) esas pavoriganta fakto ke esis mulierachi inter la teroristachi ed eli ne esis min rezolvinta mortigar kam la virachi. JM :::-::: --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site --0-1772415579-1035773744=:36406 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

Westala specialisti sugestas ke la gaso uzata esis BZ, speco di gaso nervala qua povas havar severa efekti ye la kordio e pulmoni.

Ma klare la autoritati facis granda miskalkulo nam 116 (la oficala nombro til nun) dil cirkum 750 gajo-homi ocidesis per ica gaso: Ne dal teroristi ma dal "propra" trupi.

Semblas ke la specala trupi ocidis la maxim granda nombro dil preske 50 checheni (viri e mulieri) per fusil-pafi a lia kapi dum ke li esis nekoncia...

La mulieri chechena qua mortis esis grandaparte viduini - viktimi dil milito en Chechenia.

 JEAN MARTIGNON skribis:

La jurnalisti en westala landi, nun su
questionas : quala gaso lansesis en
la teatreyo di Moskva ube la gajo-homi
esis kaptita ? Til nun ica questiono
esas sen respondo, nam probable ico
esas sekreto dil Rusa guvernerio.
Semblas tamen,ke danke ica gaso, omna
o preske omna teroristi povis
ocidesar. Nihilominus (*) esas
pavoriganta fakto ke esis mulierachi
inter la teroristachi ed eli ne esis
min rezolvinta mortigar kam la
virachi. JM :::-:::


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Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site --0-1772415579-1035773744=:36406-- From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 7178 Return-Path: X-Sender: dongasper2@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_2_1); 28 Oct 2002 03:02:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 16634 invoked from network); 28 Oct 2002 03:02:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Oct 2002 03:02:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web40504.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.78.121) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Oct 2002 03:02:00 -0000 Message-ID: <20021028030200.37634.qmail@web40504.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [203.186.14.12] by web40504.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 27 Oct 2002 19:02:00 PST Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 19:02:00 -0800 (PST) Subject: Quala linguo en Eden? / Histoire de la Langue Universelle/ Interhelpo To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1415695919-1035774120=:37451" From: Donald Gasper X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=118145963 --0-1415695919-1035774120=:37451 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Kara cibernauti, Amiko Alexander Kirpichev (Me esas felica ke tu standas bone, Sasha) mencionis ke kelka "ciencisti" checheniana dicas ke lia linguo esis la linguo di Adam ed Eva. Me lektis en "Pravda", la jurnalo dil Komunista Partiso dil Rusa Federuro, en lua numero dil 2 di septembro 2002, artiklo da lua korespondanto en Bishkek (la olima Frunze, chefurbo di Kirgizia). Segun ca artiklo, kirgiziana jurnalo recente publikigis la hipotezo ke la kirgiza linguo esis la maxim anciena linguo sur la planeto: Ol argumentis ke la turkala lingui (la turka, la kirgiza, la kazaka, la uzbeka, la uigura, la chechena e.c.) havas sua fonto en la linguo dil Sumeriani. Yuna filologo Sapar Narkeyev dicas ke la sumeriana esas simila al turkala lingui. Akademiano Vasiliy Bartold mem asertas ke la sumeriani esis kirgizi. Pro to la Jardino di Eden posible situesis apud la rivi dil lago Issyl-Kyl en Kirgizia! (Expediciono usana duktata dal ruso Sergey Melnikoff mem iris a ca loko por serchar la nasko-loko dil apostolo Matheus.) Klare tala hipotezi naskas del deziro di ca nova stati e quaze-stati trovar legitimeso historiala. Ma ka li esas plu absurda kam la tradicionala kredo dil judei e kristani ke la hebrea esis la perfekta, primitiva linguo parolata da Adam ed Eva? Yen altra hipotezo: La Jardino di Eden ya esis en Kirgizia, ma la linguo parolata ibe esis Ido. La derivo dil nomo Eden esas probable "Idania". La membri dil kooperativo Interhelpo esis do la decendanti dil originala parolanti di ca linguo! Kun Edenala saluti, Don --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site --0-1415695919-1035774120=:37451 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

Kara cibernauti,

Amiko Alexander Kirpichev (Me esas felica ke tu standas bone, Sasha) mencionis ke kelka "ciencisti" checheniana dicas ke lia linguo esis la linguo di Adam ed Eva.

Me lektis en "Pravda", la jurnalo dil Komunista Partiso dil Rusa Federuro, en lua numero dil 2 di septembro 2002,  artiklo da lua  korespondanto en Bishkek (la olima Frunze, chefurbo di Kirgizia).

Segun ca artiklo, kirgiziana jurnalo recente publikigis la hipotezo ke la kirgiza linguo esis la maxim anciena linguo sur la planeto: Ol argumentis ke la turkala lingui (la turka, la kirgiza, la kazaka, la uzbeka, la uigura, la chechena e.c.) havas sua fonto en la linguo dil Sumeriani.

Yuna filologo Sapar Narkeyev dicas ke la sumeriana esas simila al turkala lingui.

Akademiano Vasiliy Bartold mem asertas ke la sumeriani esis kirgizi. Pro to la Jardino di Eden posible situesis apud la rivi dil lago Issyl-Kyl en Kirgizia!  (Expediciono usana duktata dal ruso Sergey Melnikoff mem iris a ca loko por serchar la nasko-loko dil apostolo Matheus.)  

Klare tala hipotezi naskas del deziro di ca nova stati e quaze-stati  trovar legitimeso historiala. Ma ka li esas plu absurda kam la tradicionala kredo dil judei e kristani ke la hebrea esis la perfekta, primitiva linguo parolata da Adam ed Eva?

Yen altra hipotezo: La Jardino di Eden ya esis en Kirgizia, ma la linguo parolata ibe esis Ido. La derivo dil nomo Eden esas probable "Idania".

La membri dil kooperativo Interhelpo esis do la decendanti dil originala parolanti di ca linguo!

Kun Edenala saluti,

Don


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Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site --0-1415695919-1035774120=:37451-- From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 7179 Return-Path: X-Sender: cellus@telia.com X-Apparently-To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_2_1); 28 Oct 2002 08:29:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 32837 invoked from network); 28 Oct 2002 08:29:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Oct 2002 08:29:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailf.telia.com) (194.22.194.25) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Oct 2002 08:29:50 -0000 Received: from d1o913.telia.com (d1o913.telia.com [195.252.44.241]) by mailf.telia.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9S8Tnnq000357 for ; Mon, 28 Oct 2002 09:29:49 +0100 (CET) X-Original-Recipient: Received: from telia.com (h214n3fls21o913.telia.com [213.65.173.214]) by d1o913.telia.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA10168 for ; Mon, 28 Oct 2002 09:29:48 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <3DBCF57B.ADCD20F2@telia.com> Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 09:29:47 +0100 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: sv,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ido] Sud-Afrika References: <001c01c27e02$e9c918e0$d7188418@a2000.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Kjell Rehnstrom X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=28747247 Hans Stuifbergen wrote: > Kara amiki, > > Sud-Afrikano pregis a me tradukar la nomi di la sequanta Sud-afrikana lingui > aden Ido: > > "and if possible the Ido words > for: Zulu, Xhosa, Afrikaans, Sepedi, Sesotho, isiNdebele, Setswana, > siSwati, Tshivenda, and Xitsonga." > > Kad existas Ido-formo di ca lingui? > > Saluti amikala, Suggestion: 1. Komparez kon esperanto. 2. Adjungez la ordinara desinenco por lingui en ido. 3. Deprende la linguoklasifikatori dil afrikana nomi e idigez la vorti. Pardonez le erori, kauzata dil fakto ke me ne havas la ido-vortaro dista ye extendita brako. Kjell R From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 7180 Return-Path: X-Sender: ido.info@chello.nl X-Apparently-To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_2_1); 28 Oct 2002 17:41:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 62987 invoked from network); 28 Oct 2002 17:41:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Oct 2002 17:41:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO amsfep16-int.chello.nl) (213.46.243.26) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Oct 2002 17:41:41 -0000 Received: from stuifbergen ([24.132.24.215]) by amsfep16-int.chello.nl (InterMail vM.5.01.03.06 201-253-122-118-106-20010523) with SMTP id <20021028174140.MDKB1247.amsfep16-int.chello.nl@stuifbergen> for ; Mon, 28 Oct 2002 18:41:40 +0100 Message-ID: <003101c27ea9$af0c8000$d7188418@a2000.nl> To: References: <001c01c27e02$e9c918e0$d7188418@a2000.nl> <3DBCF57B.ADCD20F2@telia.com> Subject: Re: [ido] Sud-Afrika Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 18:44:35 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "Hans Stuifbergen" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=22974939 X-Yahoo-Profile: ido_info Kara Kjell, Vu, qua semblas savar multa lingui, ka vu hazarde savas l' Esperantal equivalanti di ta nomi? Me inklinas a direta transpreno del originala formi, ma ne savas ka ta lingui uzas la sama literi kam Ido. Anke, se to es la nomi di la populi / tribui, lore la lingui esus derivata per sufixo -an-. Por exemplo, me povas imaginar ke on skribas: Xhosa > Xosa, Ido-dezinenco adjuntita = Xosana Afrikaans > Afrikansa = Afrikansana Sesotho > Sesoto = Sesotana Setswana > Secwana = Secwanana Tshivenda > Chivenda = Chivendana Xitsonga > Xiconga = Xicongana (Notez ke 'Afrikaans' es la linguo, dum ke 'Afrikaner' es ta di qua la linguo es 'Afrikaans'. Pri l' altra lingui me mem ne savas la nomi di la parolanti di ta lingui). Forsan altri povas helpar me. Saluti amikala, Hans St. -- nova: ARTHUR RIMBAUD, biografio, 75 pag., 3,50 euri http://www.angelfire.com/id/Avance/TiaListo1.html IDO, LA LINGUO INTERNACIONA http://members.tripod.com/~avancigado http://www.idolinguo.com/ Ido, linguo neutra inter diferanta kulturi From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 7181 Return-Path: X-Sender: jeanmartignon@minitel.net X-Apparently-To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_2_1); 28 Oct 2002 19:19:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 49952 invoked from network); 28 Oct 2002 19:19:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Oct 2002 19:19:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp4-out.minitel.net) (193.252.91.37) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Oct 2002 19:19:57 -0000 Received: from gmvtx1 (gmailvtx1.globalmail.net [192.168.220.100]) by smtp4-out.minitel.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 79B709C for ; Mon, 28 Oct 2002 20:19:56 +0100 (MET) Received: from 67726324435 by minitel.net with X25; Mon, 28 Oct 2002 20:19:56 +0100 (MET) To: "IDOLISTO" Subject: Terorista mulierachi MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <20021028191956.79B709C@smtp4-out.minitel.net> Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 20:19:56 +0100 (MET) From: "JEAN MARTIGNON" Reply-To: jeanmartignon@minitel.net X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=22985400 :::-::: En preirinta mesajo samideano Don Gasper skribis ke la teroristini= di Moskva esis vidvini. De ube il savas lo tante rapide ? On savas preske = nulo pri la mortinta sordidachi geteroristi. Nur longa e desfacila inquesto= posibligos savar ulo. Omnakaze, mem se la desestiminda teroristini esis vi= dvini, ico nule esas motivo por mortigar inocenta homi e nule povis esar ut= ila a lia skopo. La teroristi esas sempre desestiminda homachi kriminoza, t= ote egale ka li esas mulierachi o virachi. JM :::-::: From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 7182 Return-Path: X-Sender: cellus@telia.com X-Apparently-To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_2_1); 28 Oct 2002 20:06:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 77124 invoked from network); 28 Oct 2002 20:06:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Oct 2002 20:06:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailf.telia.com) (194.22.194.25) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Oct 2002 20:05:59 -0000 Received: from d1o913.telia.com (d1o913.telia.com [195.252.44.241]) by mailf.telia.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9SK5vS2019746 for ; Mon, 28 Oct 2002 21:05:57 +0100 (CET) X-Original-Recipient: Received: from telia.com (h214n3fls21o913.telia.com [213.65.173.214]) by d1o913.telia.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA29410 for ; Mon, 28 Oct 2002 21:05:56 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <3DBD989F.6C4BFB27@telia.com> Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 21:05:51 +0100 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: sv,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ido] Sud-Afrika References: <001c01c27e02$e9c918e0$d7188418@a2000.nl> <3DBCF57B.ADCD20F2@telia.com> <003101c27ea9$af0c8000$d7188418@a2000.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Kjell Rehnstrom X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=28747247 Hans Stuifbergen wrote: > Kara Kjell, > > Vu, qua semblas savar multa lingui, ka vu hazarde savas l' Esperantal > equivalanti di ta nomi? Me vizitis la retloko dil Sudafrika esperanto-organisuro e trovis: "Povas senpage traduki al la jenaj lingvoj: isiZulu, isiXhosa, Sesoto, Sepedi, Setswana, Xitsonga, Tshivenda. Nam traktesas de popoli, kome la sveda o dana, quo on nomas tribui, kande es en Afrika (!) me sugestas: zulua, xhosa, sota (sotoa), Pedi (?), tsvana (ni havas la lando Botsvana, me kredas), Xitsonga (? me ne havas ideo pri to), venda. La "isi, se, tshi" es klasifikatori e ne devas esar en la internacia linguo, idente kome on ne skribas en ido "englisha, francaisa, o svenska linguo), ne oportas facar to anke en ido. E un caveato: pardonez me idoacho. Me skribas sen la helpo de la idolibri, ke ne es proxime ad me. Me volas sole donar irga idei. Kjell R From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 7183 Return-Path: X-Sender: idojc@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_2_1); 28 Oct 2002 21:34:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 46167 invoked from network); 28 Oct 2002 21:34:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Oct 2002 21:34:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.17.59) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Oct 2002 21:34:27 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 28 Oct 2002 13:34:27 -0800 Received: from 195.92.67.76 by lw11fd.law11.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 28 Oct 2002 21:34:27 GMT To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: [ido] Sud-Afrika Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 21:34:27 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Oct 2002 21:34:27.0536 (UTC) FILETIME=[CAC6FD00:01C27EC9] From: "James Chandler" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=24528831 X-Yahoo-Profile: idojc Hans skribis: >Xhosa > Xosa, Ido-dezinenco adjuntita = Xosana >Afrikaans > Afrikansa = Afrikansana >Sesotho > Sesoto = Sesotana >Setswana > Secwana = Secwanana >Tshivenda > Chivenda = Chivendana >Xitsonga > Xiconga = Xicongana La 'Xh' di 'Xhosa' fakte reprezentas klikto-sono, tote stranjera a parolanti di lingui indo-europana, ma ordinara en la lingui di la Bantu-familio di sudal Afrika, di qua Xhosa es membro. Ica sono es produktata per la lango kontre la lateri di la boko, inhalante por produktar klikto. Tale ol es desfacile reprezentebla en Ido, ma forsan ni povus remplasar ol per 't' o 'k': Kosa, Tosa. L'altra linguo-nomi semblas a me bezonar poka chanjo: Afrikans Sesoto Setswana ('c' es nenecesa) Chivenda Xitsonga (? me ne savas la fonetikal valoro di 'X' en ca linguo) Kordiale, James Chandler idojc@hotmail.com http://www.geocities.com/idojc - IALs index http://www.geocities.com/idojc/yindex.html - Ido index http://groups.yahoo.com/group/idolisto - Idolisto home "I cannot but conclude the bulk of your natives to be the most pernicious race of little odious vermin that nature ever suffered to crawl upon the surface of the earth." - Swift, Voyage to Brobdingnag _________________________________________________________________ Choose an Internet access plan right for you -- try MSN! http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/default.asp From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 7184 Return-Path: X-Sender: ido.info@chello.nl X-Apparently-To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_2_1); 28 Oct 2002 23:38:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 70837 invoked from network); 28 Oct 2002 23:38:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Oct 2002 23:38:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO amsfep16-int.chello.nl) (213.46.243.26) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Oct 2002 23:38:53 -0000 Received: from stuifbergen ([24.132.24.215]) by amsfep16-int.chello.nl (InterMail vM.5.01.03.06 201-253-122-118-106-20010523) with SMTP id <20021028233852.YUXI1247.amsfep16-int.chello.nl@stuifbergen> for ; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 00:38:52 +0100 Message-ID: <001901c27edb$95ffc4a0$d7188418@a2000.nl> To: References: <001c01c27e02$e9c918e0$d7188418@a2000.nl> <3DBCF57B.ADCD20F2@telia.com> <003101c27ea9$af0c8000$d7188418@a2000.nl> <3DBD989F.6C4BFB27@telia.com> Subject: Re: [ido] Sud-Afrika Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 00:41:48 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "Hans Stuifbergen" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=22974939 X-Yahoo-Profile: ido_info Kara Kjell, "E un caveato: pardonez me idoacho. Me skribas sen la helpo de la idolibri, ke ne es proxime ad me." Es ke vu pardonez pro vua idacho, efektive. Me vadis tra la trubla marsho di vua respondo e surprizite konkluzas ke Esperanto do tamen transiris ad uzar la litero 'x' e mem ne remplasis 'ts' per 'c'. ("caveato", quo es?) Interesanta es ke la prefixi "isi, se, tshi" es klasifikili e povas esar omisata. "Nam traktesas de popoli, kome la sveda o dana" Ka ta populi es Sueda o Dana? O ka duopla komo, do: 'traktesas la populi, , la Sueda o Dana'? "Me volas sole donar irga idei" "Sole donar" = sen altra persono. Ne mala idei, me tre dankas vu. Kelke enigmatoza vua frazi es, ma tamen pos atencoze lektir komprenebla ed uzebla. Restas nur la questiono, ka ta lingui uzas literi Idala? Saluti amikala, Hans St. -- nova: ARTHUR RIMBAUD, biografio, 75 pag., 3,50 euri http://www.angelfire.com/id/Avance/TiaListo1.html IDO, LA LINGUO INTERNACIONA http://members.tripod.com/~avancigado http://www.idolinguo.com/ Ido, linguo neutra inter diferanta kulturi From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 7185 Return-Path: X-Sender: dongasper2@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_2_1); 29 Oct 2002 02:33:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 35975 invoked from network); 29 Oct 2002 02:33:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Oct 2002 02:33:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web40509.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.78.126) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Oct 2002 02:33:03 -0000 Message-ID: <20021029023303.43954.qmail@web40509.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [203.186.14.12] by web40509.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 28 Oct 2002 18:33:03 PST Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 18:33:03 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [ido] Terorista mulierachi To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20021028191956.79B709C@smtp4-out.minitel.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-2025615583-1035858783=:43670" From: Donald Gasper X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=118145963 --0-2025615583-1035858783=:43670 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Kara Jean, kara lekteri di Idolisto, Plura amaskomunikili raportis pri la mulieri. Komprenar la kauzi e motivi ne signifikas ke on subtenas la teroristi. Carelate, tamen, la Centrala Novaj-Agenteyo di Taiwan, raportis la opiniono di Annette Lu, la "vice-prezidantino" di la "Republiko di Chinia" (i.e. la autoritati di Taiwan). Segun Lu, on ne devas kondamnar la gerileri checheniana. El atencigis ke la mulieri checheniana en ca incidento levis su por rezistar pro ke lia spozuli o filii ocidesis dum la kombato por nedependanteso checheniana. Lu esas por la nedependanteso di Taiwan de Chinia. Pri la gaso, Vladimir Vasilyev, la Vice-ministro di Interna Aferi dil Rusa Federuro, komence negis ke ol esis la kauzo dil morto dil gaj-homi. E la autoritati rusa anke dicis ke nula exterlandano ocidesis. Amba dicaji esis falsa. La autoritati rifuzas revelar la identeso dil gaso uzata. Segun raporti, on mem ne revelis to al mediki. Nuntempe en Rusia ed altraloke esas debato pri la maniero per qua la autoritati traktis ca incidento. Kordiale, Don JEAN MARTIGNON wrote::::-::: En preirinta mesajo samideano Don Gasper skribis ke la teroristini di Moskva esis vidvini. De ube il savas lo tante rapide ? On savas preske nulo pri la mortinta sordidachi geteroristi. Nur longa e desfacila inquesto posibligos savar ulo. Omnakaze, mem se la desestiminda teroristini esis vidvini, ico nule esas motivo por mortigar inocenta homi e nule povis esar utila a lia skopo. La teroristi esas sempre desestiminda homachi kriminoza, tote egale ka li esas mulierachi o virachi. JM :::-::: --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site --0-2025615583-1035858783=:43670 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

Kara Jean, kara lekteri di Idolisto,

Plura amaskomunikili raportis pri la mulieri.

Komprenar la kauzi e motivi ne signifikas ke on subtenas la teroristi.

Carelate, tamen, la Centrala Novaj-Agenteyo di Taiwan, raportis la opiniono di Annette Lu, la "vice-prezidantino" di la "Republiko di Chinia" (i.e. la autoritati di Taiwan). Segun Lu, on ne devas kondamnar la gerileri checheniana. El atencigis ke la mulieri checheniana en ca incidento levis su por rezistar pro ke lia spozuli o filii ocidesis dum la kombato por nedependanteso checheniana.

Lu esas por la nedependanteso di Taiwan de Chinia.

Pri la gaso, Vladimir Vasilyev, la Vice-ministro di Interna Aferi dil Rusa Federuro, komence negis ke ol esis la kauzo dil morto dil gaj-homi. E la autoritati rusa anke dicis ke nula exterlandano ocidesis. Amba dicaji esis falsa.

La autoritati rifuzas revelar la identeso dil gaso uzata. Segun raporti, on  mem ne revelis to al mediki. 

Nuntempe en Rusia ed altraloke esas debato pri la maniero per qua la autoritati traktis ca incidento.

Kordiale,

Don 

 JEAN MARTIGNON wrote:

:::-:::

En preirinta mesajo samideano Don
Gasper skribis ke la teroristini di
Moskva esis vidvini. De ube il savas
lo tante rapide ? On savas preske nulo
pri la mortinta sordidachi geteroristi.
Nur longa e desfacila inquesto
posibligos savar ulo. Omnakaze, mem se
la desestiminda teroristini esis
vidvini, ico nule esas motivo por
mortigar inocenta homi e nule povis
esar utila a lia skopo. La teroristi
esas sempre desestiminda homachi
kriminoza, tote egale ka li esas
mulierachi o virachi. JM :::-:::



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Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site --0-2025615583-1035858783=:43670-- From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 7186 Return-Path: X-Sender: mtw@birdseye.view.net.au X-Apparently-To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_2_1); 29 Oct 2002 04:28:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 75727 invoked from network); 29 Oct 2002 04:28:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Oct 2002 04:28:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chameleon.view.net.au) (203.87.111.154) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Oct 2002 04:28:42 -0000 Received: from chameleon.view.net.au (mtw@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chameleon.view.net.au (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g9T4SdAj001437 for ; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 14:58:40 +1030 Received: from localhost (mtw@localhost) by chameleon.view.net.au (8.12.2/8.12.2/Submit) with ESMTP id g9T4SdNW001434 for ; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 14:58:39 +1030 X-Authentication-Warning: chameleon.view.net.au: mtw owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 14:58:39 +1030 (CST) X-X-Sender: mtw@chameleon.view.net.au To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ido] Sud-Afrika In-Reply-To: <003101c27ea9$af0c8000$d7188418@a2000.nl> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Michael Talbot-Wilson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=8823137 Ye 2002-10-28 18:44 +0100, Hans Stuifbergen skribis: > Kara Kjell, > > Vu, qua semblas savar multa lingui, ka vu hazarde savas l' Esperantal > equivalanti di ta nomi? > > Me inklinas a direta transpreno del originala formi, ma ne savas ka ta > lingui uzas la sama literi kam Ido. Anke, se to es la nomi di la populi / > tribui, lore la lingui esus derivata per sufixo -an-. Por exemplo, me povas > imaginar ke on skribas: > > Xhosa > Xosa, Ido-dezinenco adjuntita = Xosana > Afrikaans > Afrikansa = Afrikansana > Sesotho > Sesoto = Sesotana > Setswana > Secwana = Secwanana > Tshivenda > Chivenda = Chivendana > Xitsonga > Xiconga = Xicongana > > (Notez ke 'Afrikaans' es la linguo, dum ke 'Afrikaner' es ta di qua la > linguo es 'Afrikaans'. Pri l' altra lingui me mem ne savas la nomi di la > parolanti di ta lingui). > > Forsan altri povas helpar me. Ne me, pro ke me nule savas pri Afrika. Me nur volas atencigar ke Ido konservas la diakritiki en propra nomi, do racione la "Xh" di nacionala o tribuala nomo povas konservesar se vere existas raciono por ol. Anke me atencigas vi ke nacional e tribuala nomi, mem adjektiva, esas mayuskuligita en Ido, quale Hans facis. Semblas a me ke se "Afrikaans" -> "Afrikansa", necese "Afrikaner" -> "Afrikansano" en Ido. En la Angla anke on skribas "Afrikaans", "Afrikaner", ma multa yari ante on vidis "Afrikander" vice "Afrikaner", do forsan Ido devas havar "Afrikanda", "Afrikandano". Nun me trovas nur "Afrikaans"/"Africander" en mea anciena Angla dicionario. Forsan nur por afektaco uli lasas "Afrikaner" netradukita. La vorto "Afrikaner" esas Germanatra por homo de Afrika, quale "Londoner" o "Hamburger" ma kun "n" por eufonio. Esas multa altra "Afrikaner" kam li qui audacas nomizar su tale. La X(h)osani esas Afrikani. Do me dubitas kelke mem pri "Afrikansano", kad ol (kom nova vorto) povas ofensar altri. Qui ek la altra tribui nomizas li tale, o qual li nomizas li? Preferinde on trovos ula helpo (pri la omna nomi) de homi ek ta tribui. Amikale, Michael Talbot-Wilson From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 7187 Return-Path: X-Sender: cellus@telia.com X-Apparently-To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_2_1); 29 Oct 2002 13:53:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 79043 invoked from network); 29 Oct 2002 10:43:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Oct 2002 10:43:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailf.telia.com) (194.22.194.25) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Oct 2002 10:43:35 -0000 Received: from d1o913.telia.com (d1o913.telia.com [195.252.44.241]) by mailf.telia.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9TAhWVq001705 for ; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 11:43:32 +0100 (CET) X-Original-Recipient: Received: from telia.com (h214n3fls21o913.telia.com [213.65.173.214]) by d1o913.telia.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA29395 for ; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 11:43:32 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <3DBE6654.3A0B1984@telia.com> Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 11:43:29 +0100 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: sv,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ido] Terorista mulierachi References: <20021029023303.43954.qmail@web40509.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Kjell Rehnstrom X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=28747247 Donald Gasper wrote: > > Komprenar la kauzi e motivi ne signifikas ke on > subtenas la teroristi. Korekte! Me skribos plu en la listo "bablo", nam mea Ido ankora es tro primitiva. Kjell R From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 7188 Return-Path: X-Sender: cellus@telia.com X-Apparently-To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_2_1); 29 Oct 2002 14:45:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 16427 invoked from network); 29 Oct 2002 08:56:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Oct 2002 08:56:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO maild.telia.com) (194.22.190.101) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Oct 2002 08:56:11 -0000 Received: from d1o913.telia.com (d1o913.telia.com [195.252.44.241]) by maild.telia.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9T8uAsJ016199 for ; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 09:56:10 +0100 (CET) X-Original-Recipient: Received: from telia.com (h214n3fls21o913.telia.com [213.65.173.214]) by d1o913.telia.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA19524 for ; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 09:56:09 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <3DBE4D29.9787AC1@telia.com> Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 09:56:09 +0100 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: sv,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ido] Sud-Afrika References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Kjell Rehnstrom X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=28747247 James Chandler wrote: > Hans skribis: > > >Xhosa > Xosa, Ido-dezinenco adjuntita = Xosana > >Afrikaans > Afrikansa = Afrikansana > >Sesotho > Sesoto = Sesotana > >Setswana > Secwana = Secwanana > >Tshivenda > Chivenda = Chivendana > >Xitsonga > Xiconga = Xicongana > > La 'Xh' di 'Xhosa' fakte reprezentas klikto-sono, tote stranjera a parolanti > di lingui indo-europana, ma ordinara en la lingui di la Bantu-familio di > sudal Afrika, di qua Xhosa es membro. Ica sono es produktata per la lango > kontre la lateri di la boko, inhalante por produktar klikto. Tale ol es > desfacile reprezentebla en Ido, ma forsan ni povus remplasar ol per 't' o > 'k': Kosa, Tosa. Le Xh en Xhosa (kosa) es aspirata avulsivo (kliko). Segun me on povas facar kome in angla linguo e dicar prononcar e skribar "Kosa". Kjell R From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 7189 Return-Path: X-Sender: ido.info@chello.nl X-Apparently-To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_2_1); 29 Oct 2002 15:09:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 94995 invoked from network); 29 Oct 2002 15:09:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Oct 2002 15:09:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO amsfep12-int.chello.nl) (213.46.243.18) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Oct 2002 15:09:43 -0000 Received: from stuifbergen ([24.132.24.215]) by amsfep12-int.chello.nl (InterMail vM.5.01.03.06 201-253-122-118-106-20010523) with SMTP id <20021029150942.NHVL1261.amsfep12-int.chello.nl@stuifbergen> for ; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 16:09:42 +0100 Message-ID: <006001c27f5d$a0f51ea0$d7188418@a2000.nl> To: References: <3DBE4D29.9787AC1@telia.com> Subject: Re: [ido] Sud-Afrika Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 16:12:41 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "Hans Stuifbergen" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=22974939 X-Yahoo-Profile: ido_info Kara Kjell, Quale on dicas XH en la Sueda? Do, quale pronuncas Xhosa en la Sueda? Saluti amikala, Hans St. -- nova: ARTHUR RIMBAUD, biografio, 75 pag., 3,50 euri http://www.angelfire.com/id/Avance/TiaListo1.html IDO, LA LINGUO INTERNACIONA http://members.tripod.com/~avancigado http://www.idolinguo.com/ Ido, linguo neutra inter diferanta kulturi From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 7190 Return-Path: X-Sender: cellus@telia.com X-Apparently-To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_2_1); 29 Oct 2002 15:17:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 17649 invoked from network); 29 Oct 2002 10:12:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Oct 2002 10:12:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailf.telia.com) (194.22.194.25) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Oct 2002 10:12:04 -0000 Received: from d1o913.telia.com (d1o913.telia.com [195.252.44.241]) by mailf.telia.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9TAC2Vq021288 for ; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 11:12:02 +0100 (CET) X-Original-Recipient: Received: from telia.com (h214n3fls21o913.telia.com [213.65.173.214]) by d1o913.telia.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA08124 for ; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 11:12:01 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <3DBE5EF0.59124CE2@telia.com> Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 11:11:58 +0100 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: sv,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ido] Sud-Afrika References: <001c01c27e02$e9c918e0$d7188418@a2000.nl> <3DBCF57B.ADCD20F2@telia.com> <003101c27ea9$af0c8000$d7188418@a2000.nl> <3DBD989F.6C4BFB27@telia.com> <001901c27edb$95ffc4a0$d7188418@a2000.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Kjell Rehnstrom X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=28747247 Hans Stuifbergen wrote: > Kara Kjell, > > "E un caveato: pardonez me idoacho. Me skribas sen la helpo de la idolibri, > ke ne es proxime ad me." > > Es ke vu pardonez pro vua idacho, efektive. Me vadis tra la trubla marsho di > vua respondo e surprizite konkluzas ke Esperanto do tamen transiris ad uzar > la litero 'x' e mem ne remplasis 'ts' per 'c'. ("caveato", quo es?) Hmm! E me qua probis skribar en ido! > Interesanta es ke la prefixi "isi, se, tshi" es klasifikili e povas esar > omisata. Segun me, yes, principue. Komparez Suaheli/Kisuaheli. Suahili es altra formo. La nomo venas de la araba "sahel" qua signifas "litoro". La prefixo ki- es klasifikilo por "linguo". On povas dicar ke "Suahili" signifas "Litorana linguo". Estas multa vorti en Suahili ek la araba: "mualimu" = instruisto; kitabu = libro; safari = voyajo. Me audis ke unu ek la chefa lingui de Zimbabwe, shona, anke nomesas _kishona_, ma me ne povas verifikar to. Tamen to es un indikation ke on preferas uzar la nomi dil lingui sen la klasifikili. > "Nam traktesas de popoli, kome la sveda o dana" > > Ka ta populi es Sueda o Dana? O ka duopla komo, do: 'traktesas la populi, , > la Sueda o Dana'? Certe. Me oblivis. Me, exemple, es Suedo (ka on debe sempre skribar per grand letero?) > "Me volas sole donar irga idei" > > "Sole donar" = sen altra persono. Ne mala idei, me tre dankas vu. Kelke > enigmatoza vua frazi es, ma tamen pos atencoze lektir komprenebla ed uzebla. > Restas nur la questiono, ka ta lingui uzas literi Idala? Ha, me volus dicar "Me nur volas donar irga idei". Ka to es plus facile komprenebla? Kjell R From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 7191 Return-Path: X-Sender: ido.info@chello.nl X-Apparently-To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_2_1); 29 Oct 2002 15:42:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 5125 invoked from network); 29 Oct 2002 15:42:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Oct 2002 15:42:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO amsfep14-int.chello.nl) (213.46.243.22) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Oct 2002 15:42:50 -0000 Received: from stuifbergen ([24.132.24.215]) by amsfep14-int.chello.nl (InterMail vM.5.01.03.06 201-253-122-118-106-20010523) with SMTP id <20021029154249.YFUE1274.amsfep14-int.chello.nl@stuifbergen> for ; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 16:42:49 +0100 Message-ID: <006801c27f62$41d07be0$d7188418@a2000.nl> To: References: <001c01c27e02$e9c918e0$d7188418@a2000.nl> <3DBCF57B.ADCD20F2@telia.com> <003101c27ea9$af0c8000$d7188418@a2000.nl> <3DBD989F.6C4BFB27@telia.com> <001901c27edb$95ffc4a0$d7188418@a2000.nl> <3DBE5EF0.59124CE2@telia.com> Subject: Re: [ido] Sud-Afrika Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 16:45:49 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "Hans Stuifbergen" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=22974939 X-Yahoo-Profile: ido_info Kara Kjell, > Ha, me volus dicar "Me nur volas donar irga idei". Ka to es plus facile komprenebla? Yes, absolute, danko! Quankam l' altra formo ne esis deskomprenebla. Tamen per vexeto me volis igar komprenata da vu la difero. Same kam pri "kome", qua - segun Ido-gramatiko - signifikas: ye modo di komo, komo-maniere. (komo = , ). Me kredas ke Ido aplikas la sama difero inter "quale" e "kom" quale l' Angla: "like" ed "as". - kom Suedo me pensas = esanta Suedo me pensas (me = Suedo) - quale Suedo me pensas = segun la maniero di Suedo me pensas (me = Nederlandano, ma pensanta segun la maniero di...) Cetere, to ankore ne respondizis mea questiono: qua literi (alfabeto) uzesas da la tribuala lingui di Sud-Afrika? Saluti amikala, Hans St. -- nova: ARTHUR RIMBAUD, biografio, 75 pag., 3,50 euri http://www.angelfire.com/id/Avance/TiaListo1.html IDO, LA LINGUO INTERNACIONA http://members.tripod.com/~avancigado http://www.idolinguo.com/ Ido, linguo neutra inter diferanta kulturi From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 7192 Return-Path: X-Sender: idojc@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_2_1); 29 Oct 2002 18:35:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 61511 invoked from network); 29 Oct 2002 18:35:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Oct 2002 18:35:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.17.48) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Oct 2002 18:35:05 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 10:35:05 -0800 Received: from 195.92.67.68 by lw11fd.law11.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 18:35:05 GMT To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Xhosa Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 18:35:05 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Oct 2002 18:35:05.0513 (UTC) FILETIME=[E6865990:01C27F79] From: "James Chandler" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=24528831 X-Yahoo-Profile: idojc Kara Hans Me jus kontrolis en angla vortolibro, e Kjell es justa pri la pronunco di Xhosa en angla: /kO:s@/ (do ol es exakta homofono di 'coarser'). En Ido la maxim simila pronunco es 'Kosa'. Kordiale, James Chandler idojc@hotmail.com http://www.geocities.com/idojc - IALs index http://www.geocities.com/idojc/yindex.html - Ido index http://groups.yahoo.com/group/idolisto - Idolisto home "I cannot but conclude the bulk of your natives to be the most pernicious race of little odious vermin that nature ever suffered to crawl upon the surface of the earth." - Swift, Voyage to Brobdingnag _________________________________________________________________ Surf the Web without missing calls! Get MSN Broadband. http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/freeactivation.asp From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 7193 Return-Path: X-Sender: jeanmartignon@minitel.net X-Apparently-To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_2_1); 29 Oct 2002 18:39:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 64828 invoked from network); 29 Oct 2002 18:39:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Oct 2002 18:39:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp5-out.minitel.net) (193.252.91.38) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Oct 2002 18:39:26 -0000 Received: from gmvtx2 (gmailvtx2.globalmail.net [192.168.220.101]) by smtp5-out.minitel.net (Postfix) with SMTP id DB59913695 for ; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 19:39:25 +0100 (MET) Received: from 69343360235 by minitel.net with X25; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 19:39:25 +0100 (MET) To: "IDOLISTO" Subject: Annette Lu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <20021029183925.DB59913695@smtp5-out.minitel.net> Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 19:39:25 +0100 (MET) From: "JEAN MARTIGNON" Reply-To: jeanmartignon@minitel.net X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=22985400 Kara Don Gasper, Me ne kredas ke Annette Lu konocas bone la situeso en la = Rusa "imperio". La terorismo esas nulatempe justifikebla, ma mem se la Rusi= aceptus grantar sendependeso a Chechenia, ka vu kredas ke la terorista ate= nti cesus ? Me esas tre skeptika. La problemo esas ke ne parolesas nur pri = sendependeso di Chechenia ma anke pri islamista kombato. La Saudiana Arabi = helpas omnamaniere la Checheniana kombateri, e lia skopo esas difuzar omnub= e lia "wahhabita" islamo t.e. konquestar la tota mondo por ica formo dil is= lamo. Do, la Rusi ne havas selektebleso e mustas, volante-nevolante, kombat= ar la islamisti por permanar, adminime kom granda potenco. Notinde ke Hitle= r esis granda admirero dil islamo e ke lor diskurso en N=FCrnber en 1935, i= l deklaris :"La Germana vivomaniero (segun la nazismo) esas establisita por= la mil venonta yari". Il pensis pri islamo qua havas senchanja vivo-princi= pi depos plu kam mil yari. La chef dil SS-aro Heinrich Himmler esis grand a= miko dil islamana kombatanti adepti dil SS e veninta de Mez-Europa (Bosnia-= Hercegovina, Kosovo) il deklaris :"Religio qua promisas la paradizo a morti= nta kombatanti ne povas esar mala religio". Fine, pos la duesma mondo-milit= o, eminenta nazisti iris ad Araba landi e konvertesis ad islamo pro ke ica = religio esis surogato di lia faliinta ideologio. Esante de Juda origino, ic= o ne instigas me havar granda simpatio por to quon on mustas konsiderar kom= ulo simila a la maxim fanatika extremista dextranaro. La venonta monati e= yari havas probable timiganta eventi por ofrar a la mondo. Poke optimiste.= JM :::-::: From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 7194 Return-Path: X-Sender: ido.info@chello.nl X-Apparently-To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_2_1); 29 Oct 2002 19:50:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 48495 invoked from network); 29 Oct 2002 19:50:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Oct 2002 19:50:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO amsfep13-int.chello.nl) (213.46.243.24) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Oct 2002 19:50:04 -0000 Received: from stuifbergen ([24.132.24.215]) by amsfep13-int.chello.nl (InterMail vM.5.01.03.06 201-253-122-118-106-20010523) with SMTP id <20021029195003.DROM1253.amsfep13-int.chello.nl@stuifbergen> for ; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 20:50:03 +0100 Message-ID: <007e01c27f84$cc7c3d20$d7188418@a2000.nl> To: References: Subject: Re: [ido] Xhosa Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 20:52:54 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "Hans Stuifbergen" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=22974939 X-Yahoo-Profile: ido_info Kara James, Se ni fondas la nomi di lingui o populi ye la pronunco en l' Angla, lore la nomo di ta linguo (o populo?) nomesas: Kosa. Me questionas me ka nur en l' Angla on dicas Kosa e skribas Xhosa. Por exemplo, en la Nederlandana on dicas Xosa (ksosa), segun la Nederlandana pronunco. Se ni savas quale on pronuncas la nomo Xhosa en altra DEFIR-lingui, forsan to donos a ni plu klara pronunco e do apartenanta ortografio di ta nomo. Me es tre komplezanta aceptar skribar Xhosa e pronuncar Kosa se tala es la Xhosa-modo di pronunco di lia propra nomo (same kam la 'xh' en l' Albana = 'dj'). To es quon me deziras savar. E certe se le Xhosa-linguo havas propra alfabeto, quale l' Araba, lore esos plu legitima transskribar la nomo segun fonetiko. Saluti amikala, Hans St. -- nova: ARTHUR RIMBAUD, biografio, 75 pag., 3,50 euri http://www.angelfire.com/id/Avance/TiaListo1.html IDO, LA LINGUO INTERNACIONA http://members.tripod.com/~avancigado http://www.idolinguo.com/ Ido, linguo neutra inter diferanta kulturi ----- Oorspronkelijk bericht ----- Van: "James Chandler" Aan: Verzonden: dinsdag 29 oktober 2002 19:35 Onderwerp: [ido] Xhosa > Kara Hans > > Me jus kontrolis en angla vortolibro, e Kjell es justa pri la pronunco di > Xhosa en angla: /kO:s@/ (do ol es exakta homofono di 'coarser'). En Ido la > maxim simila pronunco es 'Kosa'. > > Kordiale, James Chandler > idojc@hotmail.com > http://www.geocities.com/idojc - IALs index > http://www.geocities.com/idojc/yindex.html - Ido index > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/idolisto - Idolisto home > > "I cannot but conclude the bulk of your natives to be the most pernicious > race of little odious vermin that nature ever suffered to crawl upon the > surface of the earth." - Swift, Voyage to Brobdingnag > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Surf the Web without missing calls! Get MSN Broadband. > http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/freeactivation.asp > > > > Ido, linguo neutra inter diferanta kulturi. Linguo di amikeso! > > http://www.idolinguo.com > > Anuncez vua partopreno en la solena internaciona Ido-renkontro okazione la 150ma nasko-dio di Ido-pioniro Wilhelm Ostwald dum la periodo dil 8ma til 11ma di agosto 2003 en la Wilhelm-Ostwald-Memoreyo en Grossbothen che Leipzig (Germania) > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 7195 Return-Path: X-Sender: brickswall@mtu-net.ru X-Apparently-To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_2_1); 29 Oct 2002 20:47:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 28694 invoked from network); 29 Oct 2002 20:47:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Oct 2002 20:47:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hueymiccailhuitl.mtu.ru) (195.34.32.123) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Oct 2002 20:47:09 -0000 Received: from localhost (ppp153-142.dialup.mtu-net.ru [62.118.153.142]) by hueymiccailhuitl.mtu.ru (Postfix) with SMTP id 5405FFB18E for ; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 23:47:06 +0300 (MSK) (envelope-from brickswall@mtu-net.ru) Message-ID: <007601c27f8c$a7fe3900$0100007f@localhost> To: "IDOLISTO" References: <20021028025544.36875.qmail@web40504.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [ido] Quala gaso en Moskva ? edc Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 23:13:48 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 From: "Alexander E. Kirpichev" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=9039566 X-Yahoo-Profile: nostrev Saluto! Me ne savas quala ta gaso esis. Ma ante l'oficial versioni me trovis ke la rezulti esas simil a... kutima narkoz*a gaso. Me audis pri personi, qua mortigis pos narkozo, nam li havis kordial problemi edc. Komprenez dum plu kam 50 hori homi sidis, ne manjis (me skribos pri manjo en la mesajo pri mulierachi), multa ne drinkis e kom un (public convenience, toilet ?) on uzis (orkestrovaya yama, suba "band-stand", suba placo ube dum spektakli esas orkestro???)( - me vidis - to esis kruelege, civilizata homi ne povas dicar mem a des-amiki facor "natural bezono" talmaniere!) ed pos to la saneso kompreneble esis malega. Ma me akordas ke forsan ta gazo esis la chefa kazo di morti, ma lu nequon facus ad sana personi, ton me kredas, nam multa ankore vivas. Me dicis ke yunulino di paralela grupo di mea universitato esis ube, me savas ke lu vivas e sanas. Komprenez, me ne konocis elu, ma dum 1,5 di monati, ni sidas en la sama auditorii dum ~200 hori. E me es felicoza ke lu es viva, la Deo helpez ad elu ed ad omna ex-gajo-homi! Amikale, Alex From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 7196 Return-Path: X-Sender: brickswall@mtu-net.ru X-Apparently-To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_2_1); 29 Oct 2002 20:47:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 46011 invoked from network); 29 Oct 2002 20:47:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Oct 2002 20:47:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hueymiccailhuitl.mtu.ru) (195.34.32.123) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Oct 2002 20:47:13 -0000 Received: from localhost (ppp153-142.dialup.mtu-net.ru [62.118.153.142]) by hueymiccailhuitl.mtu.ru (Postfix) with SMTP id E6379FAFA3 for ; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 23:47:09 +0300 (MSK) (envelope-from brickswall@mtu-net.ru) Message-ID: <007701c27f8c$aa068c20$0100007f@localhost> To: "IDOLISTO" References: <20021028030200.37634.qmail@web40504.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [ido] Quala linguo en Eden? / Histoire de la Langue Universelle/ Interhelpo Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 23:14:02 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 From: "Alexander E. Kirpichev" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=9039566 X-Yahoo-Profile: nostrev Kara Don ed omna listani! >(Me esas felica ke tu standas bone, Sasha) Danko Don, ma vu povas vidar ke me havas granda silenteso interretal dum longa tempo, me multe laboris ye lasta monati e havis forteso nur por studado, la teroristal ago finigis la periodo di mea vivo, nam hiere me trovis ke me ne havas suficante forteson mem por mea studado (ye la "Edukaciono fizikal" me 1/2 di tempo ludas shakoludo (quankam me nun ankore ne esas bona ludante) e hiere pos la studodio dum la ludo me havis "nosebleed".) e stranje nun me trovas plu e plu di forteso - forsan la streso helpas. Ulokazione, me havas multa mesaji, quin me til nun ne respondis ed espereble me havas forteson por ri-vivigar mea vivo interretal. Me bezonas nur pacienteso di vi-omna, nam me bezonas tempo por komencar skribar en komprenebla Ido pri l'aferi pri qua me havas tante multe di emocioni! > Klare tala hipotezi naskas del deziro di ca nova stati e quaze-stati trovar > legitimeso historiala. Ma ka li esas plu absurda kam la tradicionala kredo > dil judei e kristani ke la hebrea esis la perfekta, primitiva linguo > parolata da Adam ed Eva? Ma esas nula lando, qua pagas pekunio por la tradicionala hipotezo, mem Vatikan, nam Johan-Paul II ya dicis, ke "forsan Darvin pravis". Dum yari di quaze-nedependeso Chechenia kom un subjekto dil RF ricevis pekunio por pensioni, eduko edc. e ne pagis tazi. En ta yari lu esis la sola subjekto, qua KOMPLETE ricevis tala pekunio, nam bujeto ne havis suficante da pekuni, nam esis krizi. E quale uzis la pekunion Ichkeria? Islama skoli, islama cienco, nula universitati, nula pensioni. Ma premii oficial ad OFICIALA teroristi! E to es vero. Komprenez, me tre amas paco, me kredas ye ne-dependeso di populi. Me mem amas lektar verki di Taras Shevchenko (originala versioni, nam me probas lernar ilua nativa linguo). Ma me des-amas irga fundamentalisma stati, quankam me esas ortodoxa kristiano, ma me des-amas guvernii, qua dicas a populi, quon kredor. Amikale, Alex From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 7197 Return-Path: X-Sender: brickswall@mtu-net.ru X-Apparently-To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_2_1); 29 Oct 2002 20:47:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 29433 invoked from network); 29 Oct 2002 20:47:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Oct 2002 20:47:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hueymiccailhuitl.mtu.ru) (195.34.32.123) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Oct 2002 20:47:16 -0000 Received: from localhost (ppp153-142.dialup.mtu-net.ru [62.118.153.142]) by hueymiccailhuitl.mtu.ru (Postfix) with SMTP id 90B59FBB14 for ; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 23:47:13 +0300 (MSK) (envelope-from brickswall@mtu-net.ru) Message-ID: <007801c27f8c$accf2200$0100007f@localhost> To: References: <20021028191956.79B709C@smtp4-out.minitel.net> Subject: Re: [ido] Terorista mulierachi Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 23:34:31 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 From: "Alexander E. Kirpichev" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=9039566 X-Yahoo-Profile: nostrev Kara Jean, Me vidas ke nun vu havas poziciono simil a mea propra! To es agrabla. Me de nove dankas ke vu ri-sendis mea mesajo en quande me ton tre bezonis! Pri mulierachi: forsan multa esis vidvini, nam eli havis vesto nigra. Ma ex-gajo-homi dicis ke multa esis mem plu yuna kam me (un evas ~ 16 yari, gajo-muliero questionis elu irgo pri Hitler, ma elu mem ne savis, qua esis Hitler!). Teroristi dicis ke gajo-homi ne bezonas manji, nam mem la teroristi ne manjis. E.g. li ton dicis a fama (mem en la internaciona mondo medikal) mediko Leonid Roshal, a qua li permesis enirar a la teatro, e pos un teroristo manjis ulo de un paketeto e questionis Roshal: "Ka tu volas con?" Roshal: "Quo ibe esas?" Teroristo "(dates, finiki)"... mediki dicas ke lu povas dum semano nur manjar (dates, finike) e drinkar aquon - l'organizmo funkcionas normale, senprobleme... Pos la morto de mulierachi me vidis che elia korpi e.g. pica*i, Twix... Amikale, Alex From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 7198 Return-Path: X-Sender: brickswall@mtu-net.ru X-Apparently-To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_2_1); 29 Oct 2002 20:47:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 28946 invoked from network); 29 Oct 2002 20:47:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Oct 2002 20:47:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hueymiccailhuitl.mtu.ru) (195.34.32.123) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Oct 2002 20:47:19 -0000 Received: from localhost (ppp153-142.dialup.mtu-net.ru [62.118.153.142]) by hueymiccailhuitl.mtu.ru (Postfix) with SMTP id 57F1DFA869 for ; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 23:47:16 +0300 (MSK) (envelope-from brickswall@mtu-net.ru) Message-ID: <007901c27f8c$ae61f700$0100007f@localhost> To: "IDOLISTO" References: <20021029183925.DB59913695@smtp5-out.minitel.net> Subject: Re: [ido] Annette Lu Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 23:47:23 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 From: "Alexander E. Kirpichev" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=9039566 X-Yahoo-Profile: nostrev Kara Jean, > La Saudiana Arabi helpas > omnamaniere la Checheniana kombateri, > e lia skopo esas difuzar omnube lia > "wahhabita" islamo t.e. konquestar la > tota mondo por ica formo dil islamo. > Do, la Rusi ne havas selektebleso e > mustas, volante-nevolante, kombatar la > islamisti por permanar, adminime kom > granda potenco. Vu esas justa! Me tre multe (kom un homo povas) des-amas (violenco?), ma me vidas la terora perspektivo pro islama fundamentalismo. Ni, qua konocas interlingvistiko, savas ke esas mem un linguo pro la futura imperio islama! Vua pensi pri Hitler e nuna islamismo esas anke simila ad mea mem pos la vest-maniero dil armio di "la unesma Checheniana prezidanto Dudaev" e la katolika sankto di 09-11... Me volas skribar ke quankam me multe mencionis Hitler, me ne pensas mem poke male pri nia germana samideani, o pri la germana populo. Me tre amas germana kulturo, linguo (me lun nun savas male, ma me ankore esas yuna) e homi. Same kam me ne respondas pro agi di Stalin, germani ne respondas pro agi di Hitler! Amikale, Alex From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 7199 Return-Path: X-Sender: brickswall@mtu-net.ru X-Apparently-To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_2_1); 29 Oct 2002 21:12:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 67100 invoked from network); 29 Oct 2002 21:12:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Oct 2002 21:12:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hueymiccailhuitl.mtu.ru) (195.34.32.123) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Oct 2002 21:12:20 -0000 Received: from localhost (ppp153-63.dialup.mtu-net.ru [62.118.153.63]) by hueymiccailhuitl.mtu.ru (Postfix) with SMTP id 12003FB50B for ; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 00:12:17 +0300 (MSK) (envelope-from brickswall@mtu-net.ru) Message-ID: <002a01c27f90$2cc19ee0$0100007f@localhost> To: "IDOLISTO" Subject: Pardonez Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 00:13:27 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="koi8-r" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 From: "Alexander E. Kirpichev" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=9039566 X-Yahoo-Profile: nostrev Kara samideani! Me esperas ke vi pardonos mea mala Ido. Me ja trovis multa erori, des-agrabla esperantajo "yunulino", ma komprenez ke me nun havas mult emocioni, qua certe ne helpas a me skribir omna en bona linguo. Me promesas uzar dicionario plu ofte! Nur nun es tro des-facila tempo me, kom multi timas terorismo e forsan un de celi dal teroristi vinkis - me ofte timas kaukazani en transporto, stradi edc. Raciono dicas ke me es stupida ca-parte, ma emocioni guidas men. Petanta pro pardoni, via sam-ideano Alex From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 7200 Return-Path: X-Sender: ido.info@chello.nl X-Apparently-To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_2_1); 29 Oct 2002 21:30:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 40068 invoked from network); 29 Oct 2002 21:29:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Oct 2002 21:29:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO amsfep14-int.chello.nl) (213.46.243.22) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Oct 2002 21:29:56 -0000 Received: from stuifbergen ([24.132.24.215]) by amsfep14-int.chello.nl (InterMail vM.5.01.03.06 201-253-122-118-106-20010523) with SMTP id <20021029212955.MOED1274.amsfep14-int.chello.nl@stuifbergen> for ; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 22:29:55 +0100 Message-ID: <009801c27f92$c0acd460$d7188418@a2000.nl> To: References: <002a01c27f90$2cc19ee0$0100007f@localhost> Subject: Re: [ido] Pardonez Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 22:32:58 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="koi8-r" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "Hans Stuifbergen" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=22974939 X-Yahoo-Profile: ido_info Kara Alexander, Esez tranquila. Komprenende vu pardonesez. Me ne savas ka me povus tenar la kapo klara pos terorago quala ta en Moskva. Koncernante to, omno es relative kalma, en Nederlando. Inter la kompatinda Rusa viktimi di la terorago, anke trovesas Nederlandani, un puerulo (Misha) evanta 15 yari, e sua matro. Ni vidis quale la patro, pos serchar un dio trovis sua filiulo en hospitalo e ne savis ube esis sua spozino. Pos du dii il mustis irar a sua filiulo en la hospitalo por dicar ad il ke il saveskis ke lua matro mortis. Ni vidis multa imaji ye la televiziono de homi serchanta e ploranta. Me esperas ke la Checheniana problemo balde solvesos e ke paco regnez. Simpatiante ed amikale, Hans St. -- nova: ARTHUR RIMBAUD, biografio, 75 pag., 3,50 euri http://www.angelfire.com/id/Avance/TiaListo1.html IDO, LA LINGUO INTERNACIONA http://members.tripod.com/~avancigado http://www.idolinguo.com/ Ido, linguo neutra inter diferanta kulturi From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 7201 Return-Path: X-Sender: nanderson@mnns.com X-Apparently-To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_2_1); 29 Oct 2002 22:10:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 8936 invoked from network); 29 Oct 2002 22:10:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Oct 2002 22:10:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp.soundinternet.com) (209.32.150.21) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Oct 2002 22:10:18 -0000 Received: from mnns.com ([209.32.148.109]) by smtp.soundinternet.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g9TMAHT01499 for ; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 16:10:17 -0600 Message-ID: <3DBF075D.51445878@mnns.com> Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 16:10:37 -0600 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ido] Pardonez References: <002a01c27f90$2cc19ee0$0100007f@localhost> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Nancy Anderson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44685576 X-Yahoo-Profile: nleeanderson Kara Alexander, Me tre regretas la hororinda eventi en Moskva. Lore tala tragedio, lingua aferi ne esas grava, ka? Ni omni komprenas to, certe. Me esperas ke paco balde revenos a vu e vua urbo. Amikale, Nancy From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 7202 Return-Path: X-Sender: cellus@telia.com X-Apparently-To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_2_1); 30 Oct 2002 16:27:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 63990 invoked from network); 30 Oct 2002 16:27:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Oct 2002 16:27:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailc.telia.com) (194.22.190.4) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Oct 2002 16:27:53 -0000 Received: from d1o913.telia.com (d1o913.telia.com [195.252.44.241]) by mailc.telia.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9UGRpsL007715 for ; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 17:27:51 +0100 (CET) X-Original-Recipient: Received: from telia.com (h214n3fls21o913.telia.com [213.65.173.214]) by d1o913.telia.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA00630 for ; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 17:27:51 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <3DC00886.4AD75D45@telia.com> Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 17:27:50 +0100 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: sv,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ido] Sud-Afrika References: <3DBE4D29.9787AC1@telia.com> <006001c27f5d$a0f51ea0$d7188418@a2000.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Kjell Rehnstrom X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=28747247 Hans Stuifbergen wrote: > Kara Kjell, > > Quale on dicas XH en la Sueda? Do, quale pronuncas Xhosa en la Sueda? On pronuncas "'kosa" (ofte skequita per supliko de pardono por ke on ne kapablas pronuncar la avulsivo xh) 8-) Kjell R From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 7203 Return-Path: X-Sender: cellus@telia.com X-Apparently-To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_2_1); 30 Oct 2002 16:41:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 51570 invoked from network); 30 Oct 2002 16:41:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Oct 2002 16:41:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailc.telia.com) (194.22.190.4) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Oct 2002 16:41:15 -0000 Received: from d1o913.telia.com (d1o913.telia.com [195.252.44.241]) by mailc.telia.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9UGfDsL025096 for ; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 17:41:13 +0100 (CET) X-Original-Recipient: Received: from telia.com (h214n3fls21o913.telia.com [213.65.173.214]) by d1o913.telia.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA09515 for ; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 17:41:13 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <3DC00BA8.2F535FDF@telia.com> Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 17:41:12 +0100 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: sv,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ido] Sud-Afrika References: <001c01c27e02$e9c918e0$d7188418@a2000.nl> <3DBCF57B.ADCD20F2@telia.com> <003101c27ea9$af0c8000$d7188418@a2000.nl> <3DBD989F.6C4BFB27@telia.com> <001901c27edb$95ffc4a0$d7188418@a2000.nl> <3DBE5EF0.59124CE2@telia.com> <006801c27f62$41d07be0$d7188418@a2000.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Kjell Rehnstrom X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=28747247 Hans Stuifbergen wrote: > (...) Cetere, to ankore ne respondizis mea questiono: qua literi (alfabeto) uzesas > da la tribuala lingui di Sud-Afrika? Erste, danko por la korektigo. Pri la alfabeto dil sudafrika lingui me ne savas exakte, ma me kredas ke on uzas la normala latina alfabeto, exemple en la anglana linguo. Kjell R From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 7204 Return-Path: X-Sender: cellus@telia.com X-Apparently-To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_2_1); 30 Oct 2002 16:52:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 64149 invoked from network); 30 Oct 2002 16:52:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Oct 2002 16:52:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailg.telia.com) (194.22.194.26) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Oct 2002 16:52:10 -0000 Received: from d1o913.telia.com (d1o913.telia.com [195.252.44.241]) by mailg.telia.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9UGq9Ux013934 for ; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 17:52:09 +0100 (CET) X-Original-Recipient: Received: from telia.com (h214n3fls21o913.telia.com [213.65.173.214]) by d1o913.telia.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA16317 for ; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 17:52:07 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <3DC00E34.CD9CAB52@telia.com> Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 17:52:03 +0100 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: sv,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ido] Xhosa References: <007e01c27f84$cc7c3d20$d7188418@a2000.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Kjell Rehnstrom X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=28747247 Hans Stuifbergen wrote: > Kara James, > > Se ni fondas la nomi di lingui o populi ye la pronunco en l' Angla, lore la > nomo di ta linguo (o populo?) nomesas: Kosa. Me questionas me ka nur en l' > Angla on dicas Kosa e skribas Xhosa. Por exemplo, en la Nederlandana on > dicas Xosa (ksosa), segun la Nederlandana pronunco. > > Se ni savas quale on pronuncas la nomo Xhosa en altra DEFIR-lingui, forsan > to donos a ni plu klara pronunco e do apartenanta ortografio di ta nomo. > > Me es tre komplezanta aceptar skribar Xhosa e pronuncar Kosa se tala es la > Xhosa-modo di pronunco di lia propra nomo (same kam la 'xh' en l' Albana = > 'dj'). To es quon me deziras savar. E certe se le Xhosa-linguo havas propra > alfabeto, quale l' Araba, lore esos plu legitima transskribar la nomo segun > fonetiko. Me ne vidas pro quo on ne povus introduktar le pronunco segun la skripturo: xosa, e dicar "ksosa". Nula problemo. Se me povas dicar "Xantippa" me anke povas dicar "xosa". Kjell R From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 7205 Return-Path: X-Sender: cellus@telia.com X-Apparently-To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_2_1); 30 Oct 2002 17:55:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 19294 invoked from network); 30 Oct 2002 17:55:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Oct 2002 17:55:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO maile.telia.com) (194.22.190.16) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Oct 2002 17:55:43 -0000 Received: from d1o913.telia.com (d1o913.telia.com [195.252.44.241]) by maile.telia.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9UHtfwM007145 for ; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 18:55:41 +0100 (CET) X-Original-Recipient: Received: from telia.com (h214n3fls21o913.telia.com [213.65.173.214]) by d1o913.telia.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA28068 for ; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 18:55:41 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <3DC01D1C.6832BEE6@telia.com> Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 18:55:37 +0100 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: sv,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ido] Quala gaso en Moskva ? edc References: <20021028025544.36875.qmail@web40504.mail.yahoo.com> <007601c27f8c$a7fe3900$0100007f@localhost> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Kjell Rehnstrom X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=28747247 "Alexander E. Kirpichev" wrote: > Saluto! > > Me ne savas quala ta gaso esis. Ma ante l'oficial versioni me trovis ke la > rezulti esas simil a... kutima narkoz*a gaso. Me audis pri personi, qua > mortigis pos narkozo, nam li havis kordial problemi edc. > Komprenez dum plu kam 50 hori homi sidis, ne manjis (me skribos pri manjo en > la mesajo pri mulierachi), multa ne drinkis e kom un (public convenience, > toilet ?) on uzis (orkestrovaya yama, Ka on povas nomar "orkestrovaya yama" "la orkestreyo", "la fosato de orkestro"? Tradukante literale la signifo es "orkestra foso". On povas dicar multo pri la checheni, ma mi ido ne suficas por to. Kjell R From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 7206 Return-Path: X-Sender: rich.steven@xtra.co.nz X-Apparently-To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_2_1); 31 Oct 2002 02:18:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 20521 invoked from network); 31 Oct 2002 02:18:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Oct 2002 02:18:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.73) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Oct 2002 02:18:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.163] by n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Oct 2002 02:18:44 -0000 Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 02:18:42 -0000 To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Subject: re Sud-Afrika Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 733 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "richsteven2000" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=30255837 X-Yahoo-Profile: richsteven2000 Kara Hans e samideani, Segun la "Dictionary of Languages" da Andrew Dalby, la origino di la "kliktolingui" es de le Khoisan, nun mikra habitantaro di la Kalahari-dezerto en Sud-west Afrika. Li uzas la ordinara roman alfabeto ma on montras la klikti (kustume prefixi) per simboli quale /, //, e !. Fakte existas 15 diversa klikti! La Xhosa linguo (olim "kaffir-linguo") esas en la Bantu familio e pro "apartheid" e la migreso di laboranti, nun es "lingua franca". Ol pruntabas multa vorti de le Khoisan (kun klikti), de afrikansa e de angla. La maxim komuna afrika-linguo lore es Zulu, Xhosa es duesma. En la dicionario la espelado es Xhosa ma ultempe on vidas Khosa. Me ne savas la justa pronunco. Amikale, Richard Stevenson From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 7207 Return-Path: X-Sender: dongasper2@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_2_1); 31 Oct 2002 10:42:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 89007 invoked from network); 31 Oct 2002 10:41:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Oct 2002 10:41:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web40508.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.78.125) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Oct 2002 10:41:11 -0000 Message-ID: <20021031104111.1193.qmail@web40508.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [202.64.103.19] by web40508.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 31 Oct 2002 02:41:11 PST Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 02:41:11 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [ido] Annette Lu / Hitler To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20021029183925.DB59913695@smtp5-out.minitel.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-160441152-1036060871=:1090" From: Donald Gasper X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=118145963 --0-160441152-1036060871=:1090 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Kara Jean e altra lekteri, Yes, anke me dubitas ka Annette Lu konocas bone la situeso en la Rusa Federuro. Ma pri le nazi e la religio, ka vi savis ke fakte li havis granda intereso pri la budhismo? (La svastika esas konocata simbolo ne nur aryana ma anke budhista. E Hitler esis vejetaristo!) Himmler kredis ke la lama-budhisti di Tibet esis la maxim pura proto-aryani e pro to lu organizis sekreta expedicioni a Tibet por kontakteskar kun li. (La austriana SA-ano Heinrich Harrar, autoro di "Sep Yari en Tibet", partoprenis ye tala expediciono.) Kompreneble, to dicas nulo pri budhismo, simile quale la intereso di le nazi pri islamo dicas nulo pri ca religio! Kordiale, Don JEAN MARTIGNON skribis: Me ne kredas ke Annette Lu konocas bone la situeso en la Rusa "imperio"..Notinde ke Hitler esis granda admirero dil islamo e ke lor diskurso en N�rnber en 1935, il deklaris :"La Germana vivomaniero (segun la nazismo) esas establisita por la mil venonta yari". Il pensis pri islamo qua havas senchanja vivo-principi depos plu kam mil yari. La chef dil SS-aro Heinrich Himmler esis grand amiko dil islamana kombatanti adepti dil SS e veninta de Mez-Europa (Bosnia-Hercegovina, Kosovo) il deklaris :"Religio qua promisas la paradizo a mortinta kombatanti ne povas esar mala religio". Fine, pos la duesma mondo-milito, eminenta nazisti iris ad Araba landi e konvertesis ad islamo pro ke ica religio esis surogato di lia faliinta ideologio. Esante de Juda origino, ico ne instigas me havar granda simpatio por to quon on mustas konsiderar kom ulo simila a la maxim fanatika extremista dextranaro. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now --0-160441152-1036060871=:1090 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

Kara Jean e altra lekteri,

Yes, anke me dubitas ka Annette Lu konocas bone la situeso en la Rusa Federuro.

Ma pri le nazi e la religio, ka vi savis ke fakte li havis granda intereso pri la budhismo? (La svastika esas konocata simbolo ne nur aryana ma anke budhista. E Hitler esis vejetaristo!)

Himmler kredis ke la lama-budhisti di Tibet esis la maxim pura proto-aryani e pro to lu organizis sekreta expedicioni a Tibet por kontakteskar kun li. (La austriana SA-ano Heinrich Harrar, autoro di "Sep Yari en Tibet",  partoprenis ye tala expediciono.)  

Kompreneble, to dicas nulo pri budhismo, simile quale la intereso di le nazi pri islamo  dicas nulo pri ca religio!

Kordiale,

Don

 

 JEAN MARTIGNON  skribis:

Me ne kredas ke Annette Lu konocas bone
la situeso en la Rusa "imperio"..Notinde ke Hitler esis granda admirero dil islamo e ke lor
diskurso en N�rnber en 1935, il
deklaris :"La Germana vivomaniero
(segun la nazismo) esas establisita
por la mil venonta yari". Il pensis pri
islamo qua havas senchanja
vivo-principi depos plu kam mil yari.
La chef dil SS-aro Heinrich Himmler
esis grand amiko dil islamana
kombatanti adepti dil SS e veninta de
Mez-Europa (Bosnia-Hercegovina, Kosovo)
il deklaris :"Religio qua promisas la
paradizo a mortinta kombatanti ne
povas esar mala religio". Fine, pos
la duesma mondo-milito, eminenta
nazisti iris ad Araba landi e
konvertesis ad islamo pro ke ica
religio esis surogato di lia faliinta
ideologio. Esante de Juda origino, ico
ne instigas me havar granda simpatio
por to quon on mustas konsiderar kom
ulo simila a la maxim fanatika
extremista dextranaro.


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HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now --0-160441152-1036060871=:1090-- From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 7208 Return-Path: X-Sender: dongasper2@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_2_1); 31 Oct 2002 10:42:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 8676 invoked from network); 31 Oct 2002 10:42:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Oct 2002 10:42:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web40514.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.78.131) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Oct 2002 10:42:08 -0000 Message-ID: <20021031104208.93371.qmail@web40514.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [202.64.103.19] by web40514.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 31 Oct 2002 02:42:08 PST Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 02:42:08 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [ido] Annette Lu / Hitler To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20021029183925.DB59913695@smtp5-out.minitel.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-431968384-1036060928=:93196" From: Donald Gasper X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=118145963 --0-431968384-1036060928=:93196 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Kara Jean e altra lekteri, Yes, anke me dubitas ka Annette Lu konocas bone la situeso en la Rusa Federuro. Ma pri le nazi e la religio, ka vi savis ke fakte li havis granda intereso pri la budhismo? (La svastika esas konocata simbolo ne nur aryana ma anke budhista. E Hitler esis vejetaristo!) Himmler kredis ke la lama-budhisti di Tibet esis la maxim pura proto-aryani e pro to lu organizis sekreta expedicioni a Tibet por kontakteskar kun li. (La austriana SA-ano Heinrich Harrar, autoro di "Sep Yari en Tibet", partoprenis ye tala expediciono.) Kompreneble, to dicas nulo pri budhismo, simile quale la intereso di le nazi pri islamo dicas nulo pri ca religio! Kordiale, Don JEAN MARTIGNON skribis: Me ne kredas ke Annette Lu konocas bone la situeso en la Rusa "imperio"..Notinde ke Hitler esis granda admirero dil islamo e ke lor diskurso en N#57708;nber en 1935, il deklaris :"La Germana vivomaniero (segun la nazismo) esas establisita por la mil venonta yari". Il pensis pri islamo qua havas senchanja vivo-principi depos plu kam mil yari. La chef dil SS-aro Heinrich Himmler esis grand amiko dil islamana kombatanti adepti dil SS e veninta de Mez-Europa (Bosnia-Hercegovina, Kosovo) il deklaris :"Religio qua promisas la paradizo a mortinta kombatanti ne povas esar mala religio". Fine, pos la duesma mondo-milito, eminenta nazisti iris ad Araba landi e konvertesis ad islamo pro ke ica religio esis surogato di lia faliinta ideologio. Esante de Juda origino, ico ne instigas me havar granda simpatio por to quon on mustas konsiderar kom ulo simila a la maxim fanatika extremista dextranaro. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now --0-431968384-1036060928=:93196 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

Kara Jean e altra lekteri,

Yes, anke me dubitas ka Annette Lu konocas bone la situeso en la Rusa Federuro.

Ma pri le nazi e la religio, ka vi savis ke fakte li havis granda intereso pri la budhismo? (La svastika esas konocata simbolo ne nur aryana ma anke budhista. E Hitler esis vejetaristo!)

Himmler kredis ke la lama-budhisti di Tibet esis la maxim pura proto-aryani e pro to lu organizis sekreta expedicioni a Tibet por kontakteskar kun li. (La austriana SA-ano Heinrich Harrar, autoro di "Sep Yari en Tibet",  partoprenis ye tala expediciono.)  

Kompreneble, to dicas nulo pri budhismo, simile quale la intereso di le nazi pri islamo  dicas nulo pri ca religio!

Kordiale,

Don

 JEAN MARTIGNON  skribis:

Me ne kredas ke Annette Lu konocas bone
la situeso en la Rusa "imperio"..Notinde ke Hitler esis granda admirero dil islamo e ke lor
diskurso en Nnber en 1935, il
deklaris :"La Germana vivomaniero
(segun la nazismo) esas establisita
por la mil venonta yari". Il pensis pri
islamo qua havas senchanja
vivo-principi depos plu kam mil yari.
La chef dil SS-aro Heinrich Himmler
esis grand amiko dil islamana
kombatanti adepti dil SS e veninta de
Mez-Europa (Bosnia-Hercegovina, Kosovo)
il deklaris :"Religio qua promisas la
paradizo a mortinta kombatanti ne
povas esar mala religio". Fine, pos
la duesma mondo-milito, eminenta
nazisti iris ad Araba landi e
konvertesis ad islamo pro ke ica
religio esis surogato di lia faliinta
ideologio. Esante de Juda origino, ico
ne instigas me havar granda simpatio
por to quon on mustas konsiderar kom
ulo simila a la maxim fanatika
extremista dextranaro.


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HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now --0-431968384-1036060928=:93196-- From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 7209 Return-Path: X-Sender: jeanmartignon@minitel.net X-Apparently-To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_2_1); 31 Oct 2002 16:40:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 17946 invoked from network); 31 Oct 2002 16:40:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Oct 2002 16:40:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp5-out.minitel.net) (193.252.91.38) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Oct 2002 16:40:30 -0000 Received: from gmvtx1 (gmailvtx1.globalmail.net [192.168.220.100]) by smtp5-out.minitel.net (Postfix) with SMTP id BC8921367D for ; Thu, 31 Oct 2002 17:40:29 +0100 (MET) Received: from 69343370435 by minitel.net with X25; Thu, 31 Oct 2002 17:40:29 +0100 (MET) To: "IDOLISTO" Subject: Annette Lu/Hitler MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <20021031164029.BC8921367D@smtp5-out.minitel.net> Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 17:40:29 +0100 (MET) From: "JEAN MARTIGNON" Reply-To: jeanmartignon@minitel.net X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=22985400 :::-::: Yes, la nazisti interesesis al Buddhismo, ma nur pro la esoterismo= e la supozata magiala povi. Ma nula nazisto konvertesis al Buddhismo pos l= a milito. La nazisti interesesis al islamo pro la ideologio qua plurarelate= havis komuna traiti kun la nazismo precipue koncerne la militimeso dil naz= ismo e dil islamo. Multa islamani, precipue Arabi, esis granda admireri di = Hitler dum la milito ed ankore nun. Me ne kredas ke la Buddhisti irgatempe = admiris Hitler. La nuna islamisti havas simila odio kontre la Judi e kontre= Ocidento quan Hitler havis. Ultre lo, ka to esas pura hazardo ke l'atenti = dil 11ma septembro 2001 eventis ye la festo-dio di Adolf Hitler ? Semblas, = ke hazardo o ne-hazardo, esas ligilo inter Hitler e l'islamista teroristi. = Kara s-ro Don Gasper pro quo vu volas tante defensar l'islamo ? Dum ke se m= e ne eroras vu esas nekredanto religial. Se me atakus la katolika religio o= mem la Kristanismo, ka vu defensus ol kun la sama zelo ? Nunepoke esas gra= nda krizo inter l'islamo e la cetera mondo. La islamana enmigranti tro ofte= kondutas kom vera banditi en mea lando, lo saman on ne povas dicar pri la = altra enmigranti qui esas multe plu tranquila, tote egale a qua raso li apa= rtenas. La rasismo dil islamani kontre la ne-islamani en Francia igas ni tr= e iracoza. Forsan en altra landi, la situeso esas plu bona me esperas, ma o= l ne esas plu bona omnube. Videz la atenti en Rusia. En Indonezia l'islaman= i masakras la Kristana lojantaro e facas atenti kontre turisti. En Filipini= la islamani atakas la altra lojanti. En Sudan la islamani masakras la Kris= tani e la anmisti.Edc. Do, forsan existas benigna islamani same kam, forsan= , existis benigna nazisti. Ma, se me esas tro yuna por konocir nazisti, ma = ne ja renkontris benigna islamani, adminime, relate ne-islamani (forsan int= er lia komuneso li povas esar tre benigna homi). E, tamen, en Francia esas = versimile adminime sep milion islamani. E la Franci esas tre poke atakema, = violentoza o mem kurajoza homi. Li do ne defias la islamani. Se, vu volas d= efensar irgo, defensez la komunista ideologio, qua esis miskomprenata e mis= aplikata. Defensez la geyi e lesbiani qui esas neyuste traktita. Defensez l= a ekologio qua ne egardesas dal Usana guvernerio. Defensez la paco pro ke B= ush volas instigar la mondo a danjeroza milito, ma evitez defensar l'islamo= di nuna tempo. Ol havas tro multa enemiki, qui savas tro bone pro quo li e= sas enemiki dil islamo. Prefere laudez la remarkinda ekonomiala evoluciono = di Chinia e la kreskanta prospero di ca lando en qua vu lojas, mem se esas = multega problemi en ol. Se vu absolute volas traktar islamo, parolez pri la= granda civilizo dil Abasidi e dil Fatimidi (Xma yarcento), ma ne pri ol en= la nuna epoko. JM ::: From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 7210 Return-Path: X-Sender: jeanmartignon@minitel.net X-Apparently-To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_2_1); 31 Oct 2002 17:27:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 47174 invoked from network); 31 Oct 2002 17:27:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Oct 2002 17:27:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp4-out.minitel.net) (193.252.91.37) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Oct 2002 17:27:53 -0000 Received: from gmvtx1 (gmailvtx1.globalmail.net [192.168.220.100]) by smtp4-out.minitel.net (Postfix) with SMTP id E4B328F for ; Thu, 31 Oct 2002 18:27:52 +0100 (MET) Received: from 69212384135 by minitel.net with X25; Thu, 31 Oct 2002 18:27:52 +0100 (MET) To: "IDOLISTO" Subject: Proceso kontre islamista teroristi en Paris MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <20021031172752.E4B328F@smtp4-out.minitel.net> Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 18:27:52 +0100 (MET) From: "JEAN MARTIGNON" Reply-To: jeanmartignon@minitel.net X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=22985400 :::-::: Hiere, en Paris on judiciis islamista teroristi qui facis atenti e= n Paris en 1995, ocidante tale 15 personi e vundante grave 300 altra person= i. Dum la proceso la akuziti kondutis tre arogante e mem insultis la viktim= i. La teroristi esas Aljeriani. Quale omni savas, esis milito por la sendep= endeso di Aljeria, olim. Ol finis en 1962 per la vinko dil Aljeriani e lia = sendependeso. Tamen, en 1995 eventis ica terorista atenti facita da Aljeria= ni. Ka la motivo ? La Franca guvernerio esforcis havar bone relati kun la A= ljeriana guvernerio ed ico ne plezis a la islamista Aljeriani. E lo esas su= ficant pruvo ke mem se on cedas a la islamani e grantas a li sendependeso, = la terorista minaco duras existar. Mem pos triadek-e-tri yari. On vere darf= as timar por la futuro. 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------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C2812A.0309DD220-- From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 7212 Return-Path: X-Sender: mtw@birdseye.view.net.au X-Apparently-To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_2_1); 1 Nov 2002 03:51:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 87960 invoked from network); 1 Nov 2002 03:51:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Nov 2002 03:51:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chameleon.view.net.au) (203.87.111.154) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Nov 2002 03:51:03 -0000 Received: from chameleon.view.net.au (mtw@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chameleon.view.net.au (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id gA13p0Lg001292 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 14:21:00 +1030 Received: from localhost (mtw@localhost) by chameleon.view.net.au (8.12.2/8.12.2/Submit) with ESMTP id gA13p0Nl001289 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 14:21:00 +1030 X-Authentication-Warning: chameleon.view.net.au: mtw owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 14:21:00 +1030 (CST) X-X-Sender: mtw@chameleon.view.net.au To: IDOLISTO Subject: Re: [ido] Islamo In-Reply-To: <20021031164029.BC8921367D@smtp5-out.minitel.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Michael Talbot-Wilson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=8823137 Ye 2002-10-31 17:40 +0100, JEAN MARTIGNON skribis: > ne-hazardo, esas ligilo inter Hitler > e l'islamista teroristi. Kara s-ro > Don Gasper pro quo vu volas tante > defensar l'islamo ? Dum ke se me ne On devas komprenar ke la granda plumulto de islamani esas inocenta e pacema. Li naskis en Islamana societo e praktikas homala agreableso e kompato en ol, nur montrante quagrade li devas la videbla praktikadi islamana. Anke islamo esas forte prozelitiganta religio, ed en la prozelitiveso esas qualesi derivita de la laciva mento-stando di la Korano qua helpas seduktar nova konvertati. On ne darfas kondamnar li pri respondo ad amoreteso qua semblas kom sincera bonacepto. Anke ni komprenez ke omna islamani esas kaptinti di la religio di submiseso. En omna islamana lando esas krimino o konvertar od esar konvertata ek islamo. Nun on pensas pri la muliero en Nigeria ocidota per lego qua nur relatas islamani. El ne povas dicar "me ne esas islamana, me ne nun kredas, do me darfas irar libera." El ne darfas konvertar ad altra religio, mem quankam islamani sentas su darfar forte prozelitigar altri. Do, kad on devas militar kontre el, pro ke el esas islamanino? La religio ipsa, ma ne la mi-komprenanta kaptinti, esas maligna. Amikale, Michael Talbot-Wilson From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 7213 Return-Path: X-Sender: jeanmartignon@minitel.net X-Apparently-To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_2_1); 1 Nov 2002 05:09:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 60535 invoked from network); 1 Nov 2002 05:09:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Nov 2002 05:09:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp5-out.minitel.net) (193.252.91.38) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Nov 2002 05:09:56 -0000 Received: from gmvtx1 (gmailvtx1.globalmail.net [192.168.220.100]) by smtp5-out.minitel.net (Postfix) with SMTP id AF5EE136A0 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 06:09:55 +0100 (MET) Received: from 67726324435 by minitel.net with X25; Fri, 01 Nov 2002 06:09:55 +0100 (MET) To: "IDOLISTO" Subject: Re : islamo MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <20021101050955.AF5EE136A0@smtp5-out.minitel.net> Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 06:09:55 +0100 (MET) From: "JEAN MARTIGNON" Reply-To: jeanmartignon@minitel.net X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=22985400 Kara s-ro Talbot Wilson To quon vu skribas pri la islamo, on povus anke sk= ribar pri la nazismo (olim omna Germani koaktesis, adminime oficale, esar n= azista-simpatianti) o pri la komunismo. Me vivas en quartero ube esas multa= islamani, on ne povas havar serena e bona opiniono pri la islamani. Quale = me skribis, la islamani esas forsan benigna homi, ma heme, ne kande li rela= tas kun ne-islamani. E quale me skribis anke, mea saalandani ne esas atakem= a o mem kurajoza. Do, la islamani esas atakema e violentoza kontre altri, s= en esar defiata. Me konsilas a vu vizitar me dum kelka semani o vivar kun i= slamani qui lojas en ne-islamana lando, lore vu povos havar justa opiniono.= Saluti. JM :::-::: From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 7214 Return-Path: X-Sender: jeanmartignon@minitel.net X-Apparently-To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_2_1); 1 Nov 2002 05:41:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 53333 invoked from network); 1 Nov 2002 05:41:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Nov 2002 05:41:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp5-out.minitel.net) (193.252.91.38) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Nov 2002 05:41:07 -0000 Received: from gmvtx1 (gmailvtx1.globalmail.net [192.168.220.100]) by smtp5-out.minitel.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 779C3136A0 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 06:41:06 +0100 (MET) Received: from 69212384135 by minitel.net with X25; Fri, 01 Nov 2002 06:41:06 +0100 (MET) To: "IDOLISTO" Subject: Rusa turisti MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <20021101054106.779C3136A0@smtp5-out.minitel.net> Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 06:41:06 +0100 (MET) From: "JEAN MARTIGNON" Reply-To: jeanmartignon@minitel.net X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=22985400 Por skribar pri ulo plu agreabla kam la islamisti, me remarkis ke nun esas = multa Rusa turisti en Paris. Me konjektas ke li venas casezone pro ke la pr= eci esas plu chipa kam dumsomere. Me konstatas ke, omnakaze, la Rusi multe = voyajas nunepoke, nam anke esis multa Rusa turisti lor mea sejorno en Greki= a. JM :::-::: From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 7215 Return-Path: X-Sender: mtw@birdseye.view.net.au X-Apparently-To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_2_1); 1 Nov 2002 07:21:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 94757 invoked from network); 1 Nov 2002 07:21:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Nov 2002 07:21:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chameleon.view.net.au) (203.87.111.154) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Nov 2002 07:21:14 -0000 Received: from chameleon.view.net.au (mtw@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chameleon.view.net.au (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id gA17LBLg001756 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 17:51:11 +1030 Received: from localhost (mtw@localhost) by chameleon.view.net.au (8.12.2/8.12.2/Submit) with ESMTP id gA17LB0p001753 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 17:51:11 +1030 X-Authentication-Warning: chameleon.view.net.au: mtw owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 17:51:10 +1030 (CST) X-X-Sender: mtw@chameleon.view.net.au To: IDOLISTO Subject: Re: [ido] Islamo In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Michael Talbot-Wilson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=8823137 > Anke ni komprenez ke omna islamani esas kaptinti di la religio di Me intencis kaptiti. > La religio ipsa, ma ne la mi-komprenanta kaptinti, esas maligna. Me intencis kaptiti. From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 7216 Return-Path: X-Sender: ido.info@chello.nl X-Apparently-To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_2_1); 1 Nov 2002 13:16:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 27816 invoked from network); 1 Nov 2002 13:16:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Nov 2002 13:16:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO amsfep12-int.chello.nl) (213.46.243.18) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Nov 2002 13:16:33 -0000 Received: from stuifbergen ([24.132.24.215]) by amsfep12-int.chello.nl (InterMail vM.5.01.03.06 201-253-122-118-106-20010523) with SMTP id <20021101131632.NWDX1261.amsfep12-int.chello.nl@stuifbergen> for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 14:16:32 +0100 Message-ID: <009e01c281a9$54ad60e0$d7188418@a2000.nl> To: References: Subject: Re: [ido] Islamo Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 14:19:38 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "Hans Stuifbergen" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=22974939 X-Yahoo-Profile: ido_info Adjuntante me sendas kelka linei pri la sufismo, direciono en l' islamo: "La sufismo es la ramo mistika dil islamo. To signifikas ke singla individuo konocas sua propra interna developo e ne povas esar impozata lego de supre por duktar e guvernar ta developo. L' amaso chanjas kande l' individuo chanjas. On povas komparar lo kun la proverbo: omnu havas ulo naracinda, ma nulu es obedienda. Singla interpreto di la korano es egala. Esence kom sufio on vivas direktita adinterne, quankam li anke havas lia luktanti. La sufismo produktis multa konocata poeti e rakontisti, interaltre Rumi, qua es tre famoza, ed anke Reshad Feild, qua kom Anglo, par-absorbesis da la sufismo e skribas tre lektinde pri to. Anke la muziko dum qua on konstante kantas la laudo di amo/Amoro, es prima formo. Ed anke es la gaya kansoni drinkala e ti kun celita politikala mesajo." Precipue la parto pri l' interpreto di la korano es interesanta, nam me lektis ke l' islamisti ne permisas interpretar la korano e ne agnoskas interpreto altre kam un maniero: lia maniero. Saluti amikala, Hans St. -- nova: ARTHUR RIMBAUD, biografio, 75 pag., 3,50 euri http://www.angelfire.com/id/Avance/TiaListo1.html IDO, LA LINGUO INTERNACIONA http://members.tripod.com/~avancigado http://www.idolinguo.com/ Ido, linguo neutra inter diferanta kulturi From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 7217 Return-Path: X-Sender: ido.info@chello.nl X-Apparently-To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_2_1); 1 Nov 2002 13:54:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 92870 invoked from network); 1 Nov 2002 13:54:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Nov 2002 13:54:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO amsfep14-int.chello.nl) (213.46.243.22) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Nov 2002 13:54:31 -0000 Received: from stuifbergen ([24.132.24.215]) by amsfep14-int.chello.nl (InterMail vM.5.01.03.06 201-253-122-118-106-20010523) with SMTP id <20021101135431.BFZD1274.amsfep14-int.chello.nl@stuifbergen> for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 14:54:31 +0100 Message-ID: <00ab01c281ae$a2d11820$d7188418@a2000.nl> To: "idolisto" Subject: Kombato-klubo e La Bazo Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 14:57:34 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "Hans Stuifbergen" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=22974939 X-Yahoo-Profile: ido_info Kara amiki, Bone, ni entamis la temo islamo, ka ne? Me spektis la filmo Kombato-klubo (Fight Club) e ta filmo pensigis da me pri La Bazo (Al Kaida). Lo interesanta di Kombato-klubo es la maniero quale en la tota lando (Usa, ca-foye), kombato-klubi fondesis, qui funcionus kom celuli nedependanta por destruktar l' infrastrukturo di la lando e tale krear kaoso. Nam, segun la quidero di Kombato-klubo, de kaoso venas ulo nova. Destrukto es konstrukto. (Frapante ca-kaze esis ke en la filmo on explozigis edifici e kontoro-turmi simile a la Jemela Turmi). Ne la filozofio di ta filmo interesis a me, quankam sat interesanta, ma la maniero quale la kombato-klubi organizesis. Omno tre pensigis da me pri la maniero quale Al Kaida es(is?) organizata. Me questionas me ka Kombato-klubo, forsan povas esir inspirajo por Osama Bin Laden e sua klubeto La Bazo. Qua anke vidis ta filmo? Quon vu opinionas? Saluti amikala, Hans St. -- nova: ARTHUR RIMBAUD, biografio, 75 pag., 3,50 euri http://www.angelfire.com/id/Avance/TiaListo1.html IDO, LA LINGUO INTERNACIONA http://members.tripod.com/~avancigado http://www.idolinguo.com/ Ido, linguo neutra inter diferanta kulturi From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 7218 Return-Path: X-Sender: frank.kasper@genion.de X-Apparently-To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_2_1); 1 Nov 2002 15:33:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 75666 invoked from network); 1 Nov 2002 15:33:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Nov 2002 15:33:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO wmpmta01-app.mail-store.com) (194.73.242.3) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Nov 2002 15:33:00 -0000 Received: from privataoerzkq7 ([212.114.239.72]) by wmpmta01-app.mail-store.com with ESMTP id <20021101153259.ISUB28243.wmpmta01-app.mail-store.com@privataoerzkq7>; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 15:32:59 +0000 Message-ID: <000701c281bb$f0ac0cf0$fd54fea9@privataoerzkq7> To: "Alfred Neussner" , "Marion Kasper" , "Mailingliste Kresko" , "Mailingliste Idolisto" , References: Subject: Re: [linguo] La elementi segun Ostwald Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 16:31:59 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 From: "Frank Kasper" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=85865282 X-Yahoo-Profile: fkasper2002 Kara amiko Michael, kara amiki! Kun grandega intereso me lektis la mesajo = da Michael a "Linguolisto" kun la tabelo pri la kemiala elementi kreita da = Wilhelm Ostwald. Me uzis ca tabelo por krear l'interreta invito a la solen= a Ido-renkontro 2003 en la Wilhelm-Ostwald-Memoreyo en Grossbothen ed inser= tis la tabelo ibe. La provizora invito e l'anunc-folieto esas trovebla ye = http://www.europa.idolinguo.com/Germania/Idokonfero2003 . L'invito nur e= sas provizora, pro ke me pos 45 minuti devos irar a 12 hora noktala laboro = e lo sama okazos duim la sequanta du dii. Pos un semano me itere komencos I= do-voyajo cafoye a London, Berlin ed Anklam. Do, me ja nun deziras a vi om= na agreabla semanofino. Kordiala saluti! Frank frank.kasper@idolinguo.de = From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 7219 Return-Path: X-Sender: ido.info@chello.nl X-Apparently-To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_2_1); 1 Nov 2002 15:41:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 19135 invoked from network); 1 Nov 2002 15:41:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Nov 2002 15:41:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO amsfep11-int.chello.nl) (213.46.243.20) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Nov 2002 15:41:27 -0000 Received: from stuifbergen ([24.132.24.215]) by amsfep11-int.chello.nl (InterMail vM.5.01.03.06 201-253-122-118-106-20010523) with SMTP id <20021101154126.RQVY1218.amsfep11-int.chello.nl@stuifbergen> for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 16:41:26 +0100 Message-ID: <00d901c281bd$92fdbde0$d7188418@a2000.nl> To: References: <000701c281bb$f0ac0cf0$fd54fea9@privataoerzkq7> Subject: Ka London? Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 16:44:31 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "Hans Stuifbergen" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=22974939 X-Yahoo-Profile: ido_info Kara Frank, Tu skribis voyajor a London. Kad anke a Cardiff? Saluti amikala, Hans St. -- nova: ARTHUR RIMBAUD, biografio, 75 pag., 3,50 euri http://www.angelfire.com/id/Avance/TiaListo1.html IDO, LA LINGUO INTERNACIONA http://members.tripod.com/~avancigado http://www.idolinguo.com/ Ido, linguo neutra inter diferanta kulturi From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 7220 Return-Path: X-Sender: dongasper2@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_2_1); 1 Nov 2002 15:41:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 11223 invoked from network); 1 Nov 2002 15:41:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Nov 2002 15:41:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web40507.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.78.124) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Nov 2002 15:41:43 -0000 Message-ID: <20021101154143.82013.qmail@web40507.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [203.195.23.180] by web40507.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 01 Nov 2002 07:41:43 PST Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 07:41:43 -0800 (PST) Subject: Annete Lu/Hitler To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-2146934854-1036165303=:79605" From: Donald Gasper X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=118145963 --0-2146934854-1036165303=:79605 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Kara Jean, Ne "pura hazardo" ma forsan pura fantazio: Hitler naskis ye la 20 di aprilo. Pro quo do vu dicas ke lua festo-dio esis la 11 di septembro? Forsan esas ula speco di numerologio? Me lektis expliko ke se on donas certena numeri a certena literi on povas trovar "11" en la nomo Adolf Hitler. Mirinde, per la sama maniero on supozeble povas "reduktar" la nomo di Osama bin Laden anke a "11". On mem dicas ke esas signifikiva ke Mussolini naskis ye la 27 (2+9 =11) di julio, 1883 (7+2+9+1+8+8+3=38; 3+8=11!) Tamaniere on povas "pruvar" quaze omno, ka no? Don P.S. Me ne "defensas" islamo. Me traktas ol objektive e kritikeme. E yes, se vu atakus la katolika religio o mem la kristanismo, me facus lo sama kun simila zelo. Jean Martignon skribis: Ultre to, ka to esas pura hazardo ke l'atenti dil 11ma septembro 2001 eventis ye la festo-dio di Adolf Hitler? Kara s-ro Don Gasper pro quo vu volas tante defensar l'islamo? --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now --0-2146934854-1036165303=:79605 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

Kara Jean,

Ne "pura hazardo" ma forsan pura fantazio: Hitler naskis ye la 20 di aprilo. Pro quo do vu dicas ke lua festo-dio esis la 11 di septembro?

Forsan esas ula speco di numerologio? Me lektis expliko ke se on donas certena numeri a certena literi on povas trovar "11" en la nomo Adolf Hitler. Mirinde, per la sama maniero on supozeble povas "reduktar" la nomo di Osama bin Laden anke a "11".

On mem dicas ke esas signifikiva ke Mussolini naskis ye la 27 (2+9 =11) di julio, 1883 (7+2+9+1+8+8+3=38; 3+8=11!)

Tamaniere on povas "pruvar" quaze omno, ka no?

Don

P.S. Me ne "defensas" islamo. Me traktas ol objektive e kritikeme.

E yes, se vu atakus la katolika religio o mem la kristanismo, me facus lo sama kun simila zelo.

 

Jean Martignon  skribis:

Ultre to, ka to esas pura hazardo ke l'atenti dil 11ma septembro 2001 eventis ye la festo-dio di Adolf Hitler?

Kara s-ro Don Gasper pro quo vu volas tante defensar l'islamo?


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HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now --0-2146934854-1036165303=:79605-- From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 7221 Return-Path: X-Sender: cellus@telia.com X-Apparently-To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_2_1); 1 Nov 2002 16:53:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 51158 invoked from network); 1 Nov 2002 16:53:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Nov 2002 16:53:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailb.telia.com) (194.22.194.6) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Nov 2002 16:53:18 -0000 Received: from d1o913.telia.com (d1o913.telia.com [195.252.44.241]) by mailb.telia.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gA1GrHQC015925 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 17:53:17 +0100 (CET) X-Original-Recipient: Received: from telia.com (h214n3fls21o913.telia.com [213.65.173.214]) by d1o913.telia.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA12383 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 17:53:16 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <3DC2B17A.93B2B311@telia.com> Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2002 17:53:13 +0100 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: sv,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ido] Annette Lu/Hitler References: <20021031164029.BC8921367D@smtp5-out.minitel.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Kjell Rehnstrom X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=28747247 JEAN MARTIGNON wrote: > (...) l'atenti dil 11ma septembro 2001 > eventis ye la festo-dio di Adolf > Hitler ? Ka il ne esis naskita en aprilo? > Semblas, ke hazardo o > ne-hazardo, esas ligilo inter Hitler > e l'islamista teroristi. Multa homi en la araba mondo admiris Hitler, nam il facis to quo il ne povis facar al judi, sekun la proverbo "La enmiko di mea enmiko es mi amiko!" On povas notar ke la germani asimilis plu granda nombro de germana fugeri pos la duesma mondomilito kam la araba landi palestina fugerin. Ma ni prenez ta diskuto kande mea ido es plu bona. Suficas notar ke ne sempre es la objektiva situeso qua determina la agi de irga popolo ma lua su-imajo. La specialisti de komunikado parla pri tri imaji: 1. la interna imajo, la suimago; 2. la subjektiva imajo de la cirkumajo e 3. la objektiva stato. La interna suimajo povas esar totale nekorekta. E la suimajo de la palestiniani es ke li es viktimi. E lore ni venas a la question del checheni e Rusia. Dum plu kam 200 yari la checheni duktis liberiga milito kontre Russia. Naturale la russi ne vidas la afero tale. Forsan on povas komparar la atitude del russi verse Chechenia kam to qua la francesi havis vers Aljeria ante la liberigo. Ol esis "nea teritorio", e "ni" (franci o rusi) alportis la civilizeso a la aljeriani/la checheni. E la "suimajo" o la "cirkumulimajo" hike esis certe tre dis-simila. > Nunepoke esas granda > krizo inter l'islamo e la cetera > mondo. La islamana enmigranti tro ofte > kondutas kom vera banditi en mea > lando, lo saman on ne povas dicar pri > la altra enmigranti qui esas multe plu > tranquila, tote egale a qua raso li > apartenas. Tala tendenci es in multa landi. Trovar komunikadovoyo kun la yuna imigranta generacio Segun me to es un ek la granda e desfacila taski por tmna ota europa landi. > La rasismo dil islamani > kontre la ne-islamani en Francia igas > ni tre iracoza. Forsan en altra landi, > la situeso esas plu bona me esperas, > ma ol ne esas plu bona omnube. Videz > la atenti en Rusia. En Indonezia > l'islamani masakras la Kristana > lojantaro e facas atenti kontre > turisti. En Filipini la islamani > atakas la altra lojanti. En Sudan la > islamani masakras la Kristani e la > anmisti.Edc. Segun me, omna politikala batalo povas tre facile facesar mixata kun kriminala aktiveso. Ni povas enumerar multa liberesomovadi qua chanjesis aden kriminala bandi. Oportas memorar ke la kauzi de l'atenti povas esar tre diversa. > Do, forsan existas benigna > islamani same kam, forsan, existis > benigna nazisti. Ma, se me esas tro > yuna por konocir nazisti, ma ne ja > renkontris benigna islamani, adminime, > relate ne-islamani (forsan inter lia > komuneso li povas esar tre benigna > homi). Me konocas kelka islamani e me ne povas dicar ke li es plu benigna o maligna kam multa "kristani". Mea unesma regulo es: "Omna persono es bona (pro me) til ke il demonstris la kontreago. > E, tamen, en Francia esas > versimile adminime sep milion > islamani. E la Franci esas tre poke > atakema, violentoza o mem kurajoza > homi. Li do ne defias la islamani. > Se, vu volas defensar irgo, defensez > la komunista ideologio, qua esis > miskomprenata e misaplikata. Me havis la honoro studiar komunista societo en funktionado, e me ne es impozita. > Defensez > la geyi e lesbiani qui esas neyuste > traktita. > (...) ma evitez defensar l'islamo > di nuna tempo. Ol havas tro multa > enemiki, qui savas tro bone pro quo > li esas enemiki dil islamo. Juste nam ke l'islamo agas kom agas, ni devas, segun kapaciteso, suportar la dialogo kun la saja grupi en l'islamo. Tam kam trovesas islamani e islamani es anke judi e judi. Ka vu savas ke un del membri del dana suportkomitato por Chechenia es la dana ex-chef-rabino Melchior. (Me oblivis lua prenomo). Pardonez mia erori en ido, me kredas ke komunikado es plu grava kam korekta gramatikado. Per vua benigna helpo me certe dominacos ido plu bone pos irga tempo. Amikale Kjell R From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 7222 Return-Path: X-Sender: idojc@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_2_1); 1 Nov 2002 17:01:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 2831 invoked from network); 1 Nov 2002 17:01:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Nov 2002 17:01:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.17.97) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Nov 2002 17:01:26 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 09:01:26 -0800 Received: from 195.92.67.69 by lw11fd.law11.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 01 Nov 2002 17:01:26 GMT To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Retala Revueto Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2002 17:01:26 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Nov 2002 17:01:26.0625 (UTC) FILETIME=[50A55510:01C281C8] From: "James Chandler" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=24528831 X-Yahoo-Profile: idojc La Retala Revueto ================= Dato: Venerdio, 1ma novembro 2002 Mondo ===== Tragedio en Italia pro tertremo ------------------------------- La sud-italiana urbo San Giuliano di Puglia experiencis tragedio jovdie kande skolo krulis dum tertremo, ocidanta tota klaso di infanti. Duadek-e-sis homi mortis, inkluzante duadek-e-quar infanti evanta sis yari. Konstrukturi cirkum la skolo stacas ankore pos la tertremo, ed on questioneskas hodie pri la kauzo di la febleso di la skolo. Kaoso duras kin dii pos sturmego -------------------------------- Mili di hemi en Anglia es ankore sen elektro, kin dii pos la sturmego di lasta sundio. La elektro-firmi nur tre lente riestablisas la servo, duktanta hodie a forta kritiki dal energio-ministro. La tren-servo Eurostar, inter Britania e Francia, esis haltigata dum lundio e mardio pro problemi en norda Francia, ube la forta venti kovrabis la fili elektrala per salo de la maro. La forigo di ca salo por riestablisar la trenservo esis anke tre lenta. Britania ======== Revelo da la Rejino kruligas Diana-kazo --------------------------------------- La kazo kriminal kontre l'ex-servisto di Diana, Paul Burrell, krulis venerdie pos revelo da la Rejino. On akuzis sro Burrell furtir diversa kozi apartenanta Diana pos elua morto. La kazo dependis ye la supozo ke il informis nulu ke il prenis la kozi, qui inkluzis vesti e kozi personal. La kazo, quo kustis 1,5 milion pundi, krulis subite pos revelo da la Rejino ke el sempre savabis ke sro Burrell prenis tala kozi di Diana. Segun experti, el ne intervenis plu frue pro ke depos 1911, la konstituciono interdiktas la monarkio interferar en aferi legala. Cienco ====== Dinosauro-mumio --------------- Kustume ni povas nur explorar l'osti di dinosari, ma tre rare ni trovas skeletono kun mola tisui, t.e. mumio. Segun la "National Geographic", ciencisti nun havas specimeno di brakilofosauro (pseudonimo "Leonardo") qua mortis 77 milion yari ante nun e havis longeso de sep metri. Prezervita es pelo, squami, muskuli, pedo-kuseneti e mem la kontenaji di la stomako. La lasta repasto esis salado di filiki, koniferi e magnolii. Ciencala reserchi* donos paleontologisti multa yari di laboro. (Da R. A. Stevenson) Kordiale, La Redaktero. La redaktero di La Retala Revueto es James Chandler. La Retala Revueto aparas che Idolisto: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/idolisto ===== Kordiale, James Chandler idojc@hotmail.com http://www.geocities.com/idojc - IALs index http://www.geocities.com/idojc/yindex.html - Ido index http://groups.yahoo.com/group/idolisto - Idolisto home "I cannot but conclude the bulk of your natives to be the most pernicious race of little odious vermin that nature ever suffered to crawl upon the surface of the earth." - Swift, Voyage to Brobdingnag _________________________________________________________________ Get a speedy connection with MSN Broadband.� Join now! http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/freeactivation.asp From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 7223 Return-Path: X-Sender: guenter.anton@idolinguo.de X-Apparently-To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_2_1); 1 Nov 2002 17:06:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 29659 invoked from network); 1 Nov 2002 17:06:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Nov 2002 17:06:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO moutvdom.kundenserver.de) (195.20.224.131) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Nov 2002 17:06:32 -0000 Received: from [212.227.126.221] (helo=mrvdomng.kundenserver.de) by moutvdom.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 187fFg-00040Q-00 for idolisto@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 01 Nov 2002 18:06:32 +0100 Received: from [213.7.65.132] (helo=oemcomputer) by mrvdomng.kundenserver.de with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 187fFf-0002IO-00 for idolisto@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 01 Nov 2002 18:06:31 +0100 Message-ID: <000e01c272d4$febfa180$844107d5@oemcomputer> To: References: <00d501c27089$588d9760$f8474cd5@default> <000401c27152$b582cb60$203e07d5@oemcomputer> <00b101c27565$4768ea80$89474cd5@default> <002501c275c1$92fe1c20$fd54fea9@privataoerzkq7> <003801c27829$734fd840$e9d907d5@oemcomputer> <005a01c2786f$7a08df60$d7188418@a2000.nl> Subject: Re: [ido] Re: La renkontro Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2002 18:02:19 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: =?iso-8859-2?Q?G=FCnter_Anton?= X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=23539196 Kara Hans, me joyis pri vua afabla linei dil 20ma okt.. Vu esas justa, ke esas ne nur interesiva, ma quaze necesa organizar Ido-renkontro en Kiev, necesa por fortigar la bazo di Ido en Esteuropa. Quale me skribis, me kontaktos kun nia samideanino Janna dum la venonta dii por explorar la posiblesi dil riorganizado di Ido-grupo en Kiev. Co devus esar nia unesma pazo. Ante kelka yardeki existis en Kiev vivaca Ido-aktiveso per la zeloza agado di nia samideano Boris Aaronov, kun qua me esis en kontakto depos 1956 o 57 til ante sua morto. Me esis anke en vivaca kontakto kun la da lu organizita Klubo AMIKESO ed esis anke en kontakto kun membri dil klubo. Evidente pos la morto di Boris mortis anke la klubo e la Ido-aktiveso dormeskis. Mustas do esar nia unesma tasko rivivigar e riorganizar Ido-klubo en Kiev, por krear plu larja bazo por renkontro en ta interesiva e famoza urbo. Cetere me konstatis kelke astonite, ke vu uzas la "vu", se vu skribas a me. Ka ni ja antee uzis la "tu"? Komprenende, se vu preferas la "vu" pro irga kauzi, me aceptas lo. "Last not least" me volas dankar pro vua nova revuo LA KORDIEGO, qua esas tre interesiva. Kordiala danko pro ol ed aceptez mea gratulo. Tre kordiale G�nter Anton From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 7224 Return-Path: X-Sender: idojc@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_2_1); 1 Nov 2002 18:22:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 66215 invoked from network); 1 Nov 2002 18:22:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Nov 2002 18:22:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.17.110) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Nov 2002 18:22:15 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 10:22:15 -0800 Received: from 195.92.67.67 by lw11fd.law11.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 01 Nov 2002 18:22:14 GMT To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Solena? Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2002 18:22:14 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Nov 2002 18:22:15.0266 (UTC) FILETIME=[9AA93C20:01C281D3] From: "James Chandler" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=24528831 X-Yahoo-Profile: idojc Kara Frank Plurafoye vu uzis la vorto 'solena' en anunci pri la nextayara konfero en Leipzig. Ka me povus pregar vu, explikar quale la konfero en 2003 esos solena, exemple plu solena kam antea konferi? Ka forsan pro la ligo kun la pioniro Wilhelm Ostwald, ol esos plu kam normale serioza e laboroza? Kun kordiala predanko pro vua respondo. Kordiale, James Chandler idojc@hotmail.com http://www.geocities.com/idojc - IALs index http://www.geocities.com/idojc/yindex.html - Ido index http://groups.yahoo.com/group/idolisto - Idolisto home "I cannot but conclude the bulk of your natives to be the most pernicious race of little odious vermin that nature ever suffered to crawl upon the surface of the earth." - Swift, Voyage to Brobdingnag _________________________________________________________________ Get faster connections�-- switch to�MSN Internet Access! http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/default.asp From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 7225 Return-Path: X-Sender: cellus@telia.com X-Apparently-To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_2_1); 1 Nov 2002 21:15:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 47174 invoked from network); 1 Nov 2002 21:15:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Nov 2002 21:15:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailc.telia.com) (194.22.190.4) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Nov 2002 21:15:27 -0000 Received: from d1o913.telia.com (d1o913.telia.com [195.252.44.241]) by mailc.telia.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gA1LFQ53018866 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 22:15:26 +0100 (CET) X-Original-Recipient: Received: from telia.com (h214n3fls21o913.telia.com [213.65.173.214]) by d1o913.telia.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA10615 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 22:15:26 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <3DC2EEEC.A201A7EB@telia.com> Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2002 22:15:17 +0100 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: sv,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ido] Rusa turisti References: <20021101054106.779C3136A0@smtp5-out.minitel.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Kjell Rehnstrom X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=28747247 JEAN MARTIGNON wrote: > (...) > Me konstatas ke, omnakaze, la Rusi > multe voyajas nunepoke, nam anke esis > multa Rusa turisti lor mea sejorno en > Grekia. JM :::-::: Yes, to es korekta observo. La maxim granda varodomo en Stockholm aranjis speciala seciono kun ruslingue parolanta employati por la rusa turisti, nam li spensis plu de pekunio kam la amerikana e japana turisti. Me ne savas ka la situeso es la sama nune. Kjell R From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 7226 Return-Path: X-Sender: cellus@telia.com X-Apparently-To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_2_1); 1 Nov 2002 21:28:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 80657 invoked from network); 1 Nov 2002 21:27:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Nov 2002 21:27:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailf.telia.com) (194.22.194.25) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Nov 2002 21:27:59 -0000 Received: from d1o913.telia.com (d1o913.telia.com [195.252.44.241]) by mailf.telia.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gA1LRw7p018027 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 22:27:58 +0100 (CET) X-Original-Recipient: Received: from telia.com (h214n3fls21o913.telia.com [213.65.173.214]) by d1o913.telia.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA19687 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 22:27:58 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <3DC2F1DE.387CD916@telia.com> Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2002 22:27:50 +0100 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: sv,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ido] Islamo References: <009e01c281a9$54ad60e0$d7188418@a2000.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Kjell Rehnstrom X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=28747247 Existas anke la aleviti, qua konstitucas interesa sinso en l'islamo e konsiderinda parto de la habitantaro di Turkia. Kjell R From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 7227 Return-Path: X-Sender: mtw@birdseye.view.net.au X-Apparently-To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_2_1); 2 Nov 2002 00:24:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 70924 invoked from network); 2 Nov 2002 00:24:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Nov 2002 00:24:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chameleon.view.net.au) (203.87.111.154) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Nov 2002 00:24:08 -0000 Received: from chameleon.view.net.au (mtw@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chameleon.view.net.au (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id gA20NxEv000952; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 10:53:59 +1030 Received: from localhost (mtw@localhost) by chameleon.view.net.au (8.12.2/8.12.2/Submit) with ESMTP id gA20Nx9R000949; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 10:53:59 +1030 X-Authentication-Warning: chameleon.view.net.au: mtw owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2002 10:53:59 +1030 (CST) X-X-Sender: mtw@chameleon.view.net.au To: Mailingliste Kresko Cc: Alfred Neussner , Marion Kasper , Mailingliste Idolisto , Subject: Re: [kresko] Re: [linguo] La elementi segun Ostwald In-Reply-To: <000701c281bb$f0ac0cf0$fd54fea9@privataoerzkq7> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Michael Talbot-Wilson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=8823137 Kara Frank, Ye 2002-11-01 16:31 +0100, Frank Kasper skribis: > Me uzis ca tabelo por krear l'interreta invito a la solena > Ido-renkontro 2003 en la Wilhelm-Ostwald-Memoreyo en Grossbothen ed > insertis la tabelo ibe. Me eroris pri la yaro di la Nobel premio. Ta esis 1909, "kom agnosko pro lua laborado pri katalizo e pro lua explorado pri la fundamentala principi guvernanta kemial equilibradi e rapidesi di reaktadi." Che on povas vidar plusa pri Ostwald. Amikale, Michael Talbot-Wilson From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 7228 Return-Path: X-Sender: eberhard.scholz@idolinguo.de X-Apparently-To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_2_1); 2 Nov 2002 09:51:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 5123 invoked from network); 2 Nov 2002 09:51:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Nov 2002 09:51:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO moutvdom.kundenserver.de) (195.20.224.131) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Nov 2002 09:51:35 -0000 Received: from [212.227.126.222] (helo=mrvdomng.kundenserver.de) by moutvdom.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 187uwJ-0005qB-00 for idolisto@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 02 Nov 2002 10:51:35 +0100 Received: from [213.7.177.132] (helo=scholz) by mrvdomng.kundenserver.de with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 187uwI-0003St-00 for idolisto@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 02 Nov 2002 10:51:34 +0100 Message-ID: <000d01c29ab1$7f8e0d20$84b107d5@scholz> To: References: <20021030215104.1F03C1369A@smtp5-out.minitel.net> Subject: Re: [idostab] Pri diala jurnaleto Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 10:49:51 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Eberhard Scholz" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=23339976 X-Yahoo-Profile: e_scholz2002 Estimata sioro Martignon , vu esas atakema pro la e-posto di samideano D. Gasper. Me ne komprenas pro quo tant atakemeso? Kad un Ido-listano ne darfas serchar od konstatar sua veresi publike hike? Pos 40 yari en socialismo me pensis : Nulu nule pre-skribos a me to, quon me darfas pensar, skribas e diskutar. Me esas shokita pro tala travivajo , o ka mea impreso es falsa? Me penadas agar segun devizo : "Nobla esez la homo, helpema e bona" e suficante tolerema. Tre amikala saluti Eberhard . From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 7229 Return-Path: X-Sender: jeanmartignon@minitel.net X-Apparently-To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_2_1); 2 Nov 2002 10:33:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 8681 invoked from network); 2 Nov 2002 10:33:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Nov 2002 10:33:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp5-out.minitel.net) (193.252.91.38) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Nov 2002 10:33:27 -0000 Received: from gmvtx2 (gmailvtx2.globalmail.net [192.168.220.101]) by smtp5-out.minitel.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 0AA2F13694 for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 11:33:27 +0100 (MET) Received: from 63115074135 by minitel.net with X25; Sat, 02 Nov 2002 11:33:27 +0100 (MET) To: "IDOLISTO" Subject: ISLAMO (FINO ESPEREBLE) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <20021102103327.0AA2F13694@smtp5-out.minitel.net> Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2002 11:33:27 +0100 (MET) From: "JEAN MARTIGNON" Reply-To: jeanmartignon@minitel.net X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=22985400 S-ro Kjell Me vidas ke me esas sola por kombatar, ma vu ne povas chanjar m= ea opiniono. Por dialogar on devas esar du. La islamani ne volas dialogar. = Ed vu obliviez ke en multa landi, li ne kombatas por liberigar su ma por oc= idar e opresar la altri. Me nultempe oblivios e pardonos ke me, olim, sen d= efio mealatere, atakesis da yun islamani qui klamis a me "Hike, ni esas en = nia lando en ni exterminos vi omna !!!". Ta qua ne travivis ico ne povas ko= mprenar e konciar pri la afero. Cetere me ne durabus mea ataki, se Don gasp= er ne provabus justifikar la desesitiminda teroristinachi. Do, esus plu saj= a finar ica diskuto, nam me esas e me duros esar grand enemiko di islamo. C= etere, me livis l'Espo-movado pro lua tro grand sinistra orientizo. Se la i= disti volas justifikar la teroristi nur pro ke li esas islamista, ed havas = nula toleremeso por nesinistra pensomaniero, me ne duros esar idisto. Me es= as forsan netolerema, ma ka la sinistrani esas tolerema por dextrana penso-= maniero ? Ka la islamisti esas tolerema a ne-islamani ? Do, ni finez ica va= na diskuto, nam a vua bona argumenti, me povas opozar ofte plu bona argumen= ti. Ni esas en militala stando kontre la islamo e la islamani savas lo tre = bone. Esas regretinda ke Ocidentani volas impozar a ni dialogo e toleremo, = nunepoke neposibla. Forsan future... JM :::-::: From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 7230 Return-Path: X-Sender: jeanmartignon@minitel.net X-Apparently-To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_2_1); 2 Nov 2002 10:37:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 43543 invoked from network); 2 Nov 2002 10:37:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Nov 2002 10:37:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp4-out.minitel.net) (193.252.91.37) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Nov 2002 10:37:14 -0000 Received: from gmvtx2 (gmailvtx2.globalmail.net [192.168.220.101]) by smtp4-out.minitel.net (Postfix) with SMTP id AE7D48F for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 11:37:13 +0100 (MET) Received: from 63115074135 by minitel.net with X25; Sat, 02 Nov 2002 11:37:13 +0100 (MET) To: "IDOLISTO" Subject: FESTO-DIO MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <20021102103713.AE7D48F@smtp4-out.minitel.net> Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2002 11:37:13 +0100 (MET) From: "JEAN MARTIGNON" Reply-To: jeanmartignon@minitel.net X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=22985400 Festo-dio ne esas aniversario-dio. Ol esas la nomo-festo. Ye la 11ma septem= bro esas la dio di santa Adelfo-Adolfo. Yen le motivo di festo-dio. JM :::-= ::: From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 7231 Return-Path: X-Sender: frank.kasper@genion.de X-Apparently-To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_2_1); 2 Nov 2002 14:16:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 2981 invoked from network); 2 Nov 2002 14:16:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Nov 2002 14:16:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO wmpmta01-app.mail-store.com) (194.73.242.3) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Nov 2002 14:16:11 -0000 Received: from privataoerzkq7 ([212.114.232.189]) by wmpmta01-app.mail-store.com with ESMTP id <20021102141610.HBJR28243.wmpmta01-app.mail-store.com@privataoerzkq7>; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 14:16:10 +0000 Message-ID: <001901c2827a$5fa5fd50$fd54fea9@privataoerzkq7> To: Cc: "Marion Kasper" References: <000701c281bb$f0ac0cf0$fd54fea9@privataoerzkq7> <00d901c281bd$92fdbde0$d7188418@a2000.nl> Subject: Re: [ido] Ka London? / Solena? Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2002 15:13:45 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 From: "Frank Kasper" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=85865282 X-Yahoo-Profile: fkasper2002 Kar amiki Hans ed James! Danko pro tua hiera questiono. Yes, me voyajos a = London dum la tempo dil 09. til 13. di novembro. Segun la duminstanta proje= to James akompanas me dum la semanofino. Cetere me intencas renkontrar Robe= rt en London dum mardio, la 12.11.2002. Voyajo a Cardiff regretinde ne esas= projetita. Informo por James: Me intertempe kompris la tren-bielieto por l= a voyajo de l'aeroporto a la centro di London e retre. Regretinde me anke u= n semano ante mea arivo en London ne savas l'adreso di mea sejorno. Evident= e me ankorfoye devos telefonar a la oficeyo dum lundio. La nextyara Ido-re= nkontro en Grossbothen esos aranjata okazione dil 150esma naskodio di Wilhe= lm Ostwald. Konseque dum la renkontro eventos solena kunsido pro memorigar = pri Wilhelm Ostwald. Me intencas invitar la prezidanto dil Societo pri Inte= rlinguistiko Detlev Blanke a ca solena kunveno, pro ke lu dum nia recenta r= enkontro ofris lua pronteso facar solena diskurso pri Wilhelm Ostwald. Lu s= egun mea opiniono esas la maxim apta persono por asumar tala tasko, pro ke = lu per lua ofico ja depos plu longa tempo okupas pri la vivo da Wilhelm Ost= wald segun la interlinguistikala vidpunti vice la Germana Idisti e konseque= havas bona persona relati kun la Wilhelm-Ostwald-Societo, ube eventos nia = renkontro. Kompreneble ecepte la solena kunsido anke eventos laborema kunsi= d(o)(i) e turistikala programo. Do, me tre esperas, ke me sat suficante re= spondis la questioni da Hans ed James. Pro ke me laboris dum la recenta nok= to me erste nun povis reaktar e pregas via kompreno. Pos du hori me itere d= epartos a la 12hora noktala laboro e konseque anke dum la sequanta 22 hori = ne povos sequar la diskuti hike, lo sama eventos morge. Me nun deziras a v= i omna agreabla semanofino. Kordiala saluti a vi omni! Frank frank.kasper= @idolinguo.de From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 7232 Return-Path: X-Sender: frank.kasper@genion.de X-Apparently-To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_2_1); 2 Nov 2002 15:10:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 32526 invoked from network); 2 Nov 2002 15:10:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Nov 2002 15:10:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO wmpmta02-app.mail-store.com) (194.73.242.4) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Nov 2002 15:10:44 -0000 Received: from privataoerzkq7 ([212.114.239.49]) by wmpmta02-app.mail-store.com with ESMTP id <20021102151042.WGJS8205.wmpmta02-app.mail-store.com@privataoerzkq7>; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 15:10:42 +0000 Message-ID: <001401c28281$fe554b70$fd54fea9@privataoerzkq7> To: "Mailingliste Idolisto" , References: Subject: Re: [kresko] Re: [linguo] La elementi segun Ostwald Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2002 15:31:10 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 From: "Frank Kasper" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=85865282 X-Yahoo-Profile: fkasper2002 Kar amiko Michael! Me kordialege dankas a vu pro la korektigado di vua hie= ra texto. Pro ke me laboras depos hiere til morge omnanokte dum 12 hori me = erste nun povis lektar vua mesajo e quik modifikis l'invit-pagino ed uzis l= 'okaziono inserrtar la ligo a la pagino http://www.nobel.se/chemistry/laure= ates/1909 . Do, me kordialege dankas a vu pro vua kunlaboro ed ankore dezi= ras a vu agreabla semanofino. Kordiala saluti de Nuernberg sendas Frank f= rank.kasper@genion.de From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 7233 Return-Path: X-Sender: cellus@telia.com X-Apparently-To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_2_1); 2 Nov 2002 15:54:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 84350 invoked from network); 2 Nov 2002 15:54:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Nov 2002 15:54:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailg.telia.com) (194.22.194.26) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Nov 2002 15:54:19 -0000 Received: from d1o913.telia.com (d1o913.telia.com [195.252.44.241]) by mailg.telia.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gA2FsIx9021737 for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 16:54:18 +0100 (CET) X-Original-Recipient: Received: from telia.com (h214n3fls21o913.telia.com [213.65.173.214]) by d1o913.telia.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA02850 for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 16:54:17 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <3DC3F529.756873EF@telia.com> Date: Sat, 02 Nov 2002 16:54:16 +0100 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: sv,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ido] ISLAMO (FINO ESPEREBLE) References: <20021102103327.0AA2F13694@smtp5-out.minitel.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Kjell Rehnstrom X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=28747247 JEAN MARTIGNON wrote: > Me vidas ke me esas sola por kombatar, > ma vu ne povas chanjar mea opiniono. Skeptikismo es laudindajo. E me havas ni emo ni intenco facar vu chanjar vua opiniono. Me nur volas adjuntar mea sperti, quala li nun povas esar. > Por dialogar on devas esar du. La > islamani ne volas dialogar. Ed vu > obliviez ke en multa landi, li ne > kombatas por liberigar su ma por > ocidar e opresar la altri. To es tipika signo di multa religii, segun mea sperto, ne nur de l'islamismo. "Ed vu obliviez ke..." Ka to ne devas esar "E vu _ne_ obliviez ke..."? Kom me skribis, multa del liberiga lukto chanjesis en kriminaleso. > Me nultempe > oblivios e pardonos ke me, olim, > sen defio mealatere, atakesis da > yun islamani qui klamis a me > "Hike, ni esas en nia lando en ni > exterminos vi omna !!!". Me nature ne volas defensar tala kozi, ma ka vu ne kredas ke li havas anke en lia experienco ke franciani (?) dicas a li ke "Ci in Francia on devas facar kom la francani!" Pensa: tu es en la situeso ke tote ke tu vidas cirkum tu indikas ke la gastiga lando savas toto, kapablas toto multo plu bone kam tu. Imagina quala sento di inferioreso to devas krear. Ci in Uppsala ni anke havas nia get-eto, ube lojas multa imigranti del proximorienta landi, e ante irga yari me ipse lojis ibe. Preske omna monato ulo incendis en la reziduuyo. Lore en la plurapartamenta domi on havis vakuigotubo por reziduo en la fluro, luko, qua on apertis e jetis la reziduo ad en la reziduotubo qua guidava a la reziduuyo en la kelero. Esis riskosa kun la incendii, e omne personi qua povis, translojis. Anke me! > Ta qua ne > travivis ico ne povas komprenar e > konciar pri la afero. Cetere me ne > durabus mea ataki, se Don gasper ne > provabus justifikar la desesitiminda > teroristinachi. Relegez ol qua me skribis pri la historio de Chechenia! > Do, esus plu saja > finar ica diskuto, nam me esas e me > duros esar grand enemiko di islamo. > Cetere, me livis l'Espo-movado pro lua > tro grand sinistra orientizo. Se la > idisti volas justifikar la teroristi > nur pro ke li esas islamista, ed havas > nula toleremeso por nesinistra > pensomaniero, me ne duros esar > idisto. Me pensas ke to es erora pensado. Linguo es komunikadosistemo. Same kom on ne povas kondamnar la franca o la angla lingui pro lualanda kolonialismo, on povas kondamnar ido pro opinii di la parolanti dil linguo. Ol povas amuzar vu savar, ke kande me komencis usar interlingua, me ofte audis - speciale del esperantisti - ke "Gode, un del inventori de interlingua, esis rasisto, e volis ke la linguo uzesez nur por ciencala kozi." E mea responso nature esis, kom sempre, ke lo qua interesas me, es la linguo kom instrumento. Mem se la ipsa diablo kreis la linguo, me uzus ol, si me pensus ke ol es bona. E nature la sama koso es valida por ido. Se vu pensas ke ol servas vua interesi, uzes ol! > Me esas forsan netolerema, ma > ka la sinistrani esas tolerema por > dextrana penso-maniero ? Ka la > islamisti esas tolerema a ne-islamani ? > Do, ni finez ica vana diskuto, nam > a vua bona argumenti, me povas opozar > ofte plu bona argumenti. Es tre grava ke vu facas to. Unesme, me volas audar vua bona argumenti, e duesme, on devas expressar su opinii, mem si to guidas a vorta lukti, nam se on ne protektas la libera vorto, on perdos ol. > Ni esas > en militala stando kontre la islamo > e la islamani savas lo tre bone. Esas > regretinda ke Ocidentani volas impozar > a ni dialogo e toleremo, nunepoke > neposibla. Forsan future... JM :::-::: Ol es juste nun ke on devas, malgre la desfacileso, krear dialogo. Unesme on devas postular sekulara societo, stato, en quala la religio es privatajo. Amikale Kjell R From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 7234 Return-Path: X-Sender: cellus@telia.com X-Apparently-To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_2_1); 2 Nov 2002 16:05:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 26280 invoked from network); 2 Nov 2002 16:05:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Nov 2002 16:05:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO maila.telia.com) (194.22.194.231) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Nov 2002 16:05:48 -0000 Received: from d1o913.telia.com (d1o913.telia.com [195.252.44.241]) by maila.telia.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gA2G5ldo008177 for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 17:05:47 +0100 (CET) X-Original-Recipient: Received: from telia.com (h214n3fls21o913.telia.com [213.65.173.214]) by d1o913.telia.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA09613 for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 17:05:46 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <3DC3F7D9.2FC10002@telia.com> Date: Sat, 02 Nov 2002 17:05:43 +0100 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: sv,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ido] FESTO-DIO References: <20021102103713.AE7D48F@smtp4-out.minitel.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Kjell Rehnstrom X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=28747247 JEAN MARTIGNON wrote: > Festo-dio ne esas aniversario-dio. > Ol esas la nomo-festo. Ye la 11ma > septembro esas la dio di santa > Adelfo-Adolfo. Yen le motivo di > festo-dio. JM :::-::: Ta dio es la festodio di Dagny e Helny en nia kalendaro. Kjell R From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 7235 Return-Path: X-Sender: idojc@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_2_1); 3 Nov 2002 10:47:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 44343 invoked from network); 3 Nov 2002 10:47:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Nov 2002 10:47:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.17.148) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Nov 2002 10:47:02 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 3 Nov 2002 02:47:02 -0800 Received: from 195.92.67.68 by lw11fd.law11.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 03 Nov 2002 10:47:01 GMT To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Propozo: nova listo Date: Sun, 03 Nov 2002 10:47:01 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Nov 2002 10:47:02.0050 (UTC) FILETIME=[578AB820:01C28326] From: "James Chandler" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=24528831 X-Yahoo-Profile: idojc Kar amiki Me pensas pri l'ideo di nova listo konsakrita a politikal diskuti per Ido. La precipua motivo es ke europani bezonas forumo ube li povas interdiskutar libere pri la futuro di Europa, sen barili linguala. Esas tre importanta ke europani povez debatar pri developi en l'UE, quo nuntempe ed expansas e pluprofundeskas. Ni bezonas vera tot-europana debato pri la futura strukturo politikal di Europa. Pluse en la mondo nuntempe esas multa minaci e chanji pro la terorist-ataki e la 'Milito kontre Terorismo'. Esas tre importanta ke ni povez debatar ed interkomunikar pri developi legal e milital en nia landi e cirkum la globo. Me kredas ke ni povus atraktar homi ad Ido per provizar tala forumo ube omni povus diskutar libere e facile. Sen debato esos nula demokratio. Do la sequanta temi esos diskutebla che nova listo: politiko nacional, europana (inkl. UE), mondal; nuna eventi e novaji irgaspeca. Tamen, ica temi nule esos interdiktata che Idolisto, o mem deskurajigata. Me propozas por la nova listo la nomo 'ido-politiko'. (Parenteze, ja existas listo 'per-esperanto-politiko'.) Me joyas audor via komenti pri ca propozo. Kun kordiala saluti. Kordiale, James Chandler idojc@hotmail.com http://www.geocities.com/idojc - IALs index http://www.geocities.com/idojc/yindex.html - Ido index http://groups.yahoo.com/group/idolisto - Idolisto home "I cannot but conclude the bulk of your natives to be the most pernicious race of little odious vermin that nature ever suffered to crawl upon the surface of the earth." - Swift, Voyage to Brobdingnag _________________________________________________________________ Surf the Web without missing calls!�Get MSN Broadband. http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/freeactivation.asp From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 7236 Return-Path: X-Sender: cellus@telia.com X-Apparently-To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_2_1); 3 Nov 2002 11:03:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 11413 invoked from network); 3 Nov 2002 11:03:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Nov 2002 11:03:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO maila.telia.com) (194.22.194.231) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Nov 2002 11:03:52 -0000 Received: from d1o913.telia.com (d1o913.telia.com [195.252.44.241]) by maila.telia.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gA3B3qdo001629 for ; Sun, 3 Nov 2002 12:03:52 +0100 (CET) X-Original-Recipient: Received: from telia.com (h214n3fls21o913.telia.com [213.65.173.214]) by d1o913.telia.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA19814 for ; Sun, 3 Nov 2002 12:03:51 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <3DC50297.F3A628A4@telia.com> Date: Sun, 03 Nov 2002 12:03:50 +0100 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: sv,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ido] Propozo: nova listo References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Kjell Rehnstrom X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=28747247 James Chandler wrote: > Kar amiki > > Me pensas pri l'ideo di nova listo konsakrita a politikal diskuti per Ido. > La precipua motivo es ke europani bezonas forumo ube li povas interdiskutar > libere pri la futuro di Europa, sen barili linguala. Esas tre importanta ke > europani povez debatar pri developi en l'UE, quo nuntempe ed expansas e > pluprofundeskas. Ni bezonas vera tot-europana debato pri la futura > strukturo politikal di Europa. > > Pluse en la mondo nuntempe esas multa minaci e chanji pro la terorist-ataki > e la 'Milito kontre Terorismo'. Esas tre importanta ke ni povez debatar ed > interkomunikar pri developi legal e milital en nia landi e cirkum la globo. > Me kredas ke ni povus atraktar homi ad Ido per provizar tala forumo ube omni > povus diskutar libere e facile. Sen debato esos nula demokratio. > > Do la sequanta temi esos diskutebla che nova listo: politiko nacional, > europana (inkl. UE), mondal; nuna eventi e novaji irgaspeca. Tamen, ica > temi nule esos interdiktata che Idolisto, o mem deskurajigata. Me propozas > por la nova listo la nomo 'ido-politiko'. (Parenteze, ja existas listo > 'per-esperanto-politiko'.) > > Me joyas audor via komenti pri ca propozo. > > Kun kordiala saluti. Ca tala listo esos apertita ad parlatori de omna artificala linguo? Kjell R From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 7237 Return-Path: X-Sender: idojc@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_2_1); 3 Nov 2002 13:03:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 96970 invoked from network); 3 Nov 2002 13:03:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Nov 2002 13:03:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.17.60) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Nov 2002 13:03:10 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 3 Nov 2002 05:03:10 -0800 Received: from 195.92.67.76 by lw11fd.law11.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 03 Nov 2002 13:03:10 GMT To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: [ido] Propozo: nova listo Date: Sun, 03 Nov 2002 13:03:10 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Nov 2002 13:03:10.0584 (UTC) FILETIME=[5C5E1780:01C28339] From: "James Chandler" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=24528831 X-Yahoo-Profile: idojc Kjell skribis: >Ca tala listo esos apertita ad parlatori de omna artificala linguo? Yes, ma kondicione ke li skribas en Ido. Ido esos la sol oficala linguo di la listo. Kun vua sempre pluboneskanta Ido, Kjell, esos nula barilo a vua partopreno. Kordiale, James Chandler idojc@hotmail.com http://www.geocities.com/idojc - IALs index http://www.geocities.com/idojc/yindex.html - Ido index http://groups.yahoo.com/group/idolisto - Idolisto home "I cannot but conclude the bulk of your natives to be the most pernicious race of little odious vermin that nature ever suffered to crawl upon the surface of the earth." - Swift, Voyage to Brobdingnag _________________________________________________________________ Unlimited Internet access for only $21.95/month.� Try MSN! http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/2monthsfree.asp From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 7238 Return-Path: X-Sender: dongasper2@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_2_1); 3 Nov 2002 16:23:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 5639 invoked from network); 3 Nov 2002 16:23:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Nov 2002 16:23:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web40506.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.78.123) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Nov 2002 16:23:46 -0000 Message-ID: <20021103162346.55255.qmail@web40506.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [203.195.22.140] by web40506.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 03 Nov 2002 08:23:46 PST Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2002 08:23:46 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [ido] Propozo: nova listo To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-880636434-1036340626=:55044" From: Donald Gasper X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=118145963 --0-880636434-1036340626=:55044 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Se ica temi ne esas interdiktata che Idolisto me ne vidas motivo por krear ankore altra separata listo. Me esas kontre tala separatismo. James Chandler skribis:Kar amiki Me pensas pri l'ideo di nova listo konsakrita a politikal diskuti per Ido. La precipua motivo es ke europani bezonas forumo ube li povas interdiskutar libere pri la futuro di Europa, sen barili linguala. Esas tre importanta ke europani povez debatar pri developi en l'UE, quo nuntempe ed expansas e pluprofundeskas. Ni bezonas vera tot-europana debato pri la futura strukturo politikal di Europa. Pluse en la mondo nuntempe esas multa minaci e chanji pro la terorist-ataki e la 'Milito kontre Terorismo'. Esas tre importanta ke ni povez debatar ed interkomunikar pri developi legal e milital en nia landi e cirkum la globo. Me kredas ke ni povus atraktar homi ad Ido per provizar tala forumo ube omni povus diskutar libere e facile. Sen debato esos nula demokratio. Do la sequanta temi esos diskutebla che nova listo: politiko nacional, europana (inkl. UE), mondal; nuna eventi e novaji irgaspeca. Tamen, ica temi nule esos interdiktata che Idolisto, o mem deskurajigata. Me propozas por la nova listo la nomo 'ido-politiko'. (Parenteze, ja existas listo 'per-esperanto-politiko'.) Me joyas audor via komenti pri ca propozo. Kun kordiala saluti. Kordiale, James Chandler idojc@hotmail.com http://www.geocities.com/idojc - IALs index http://www.geocities.com/idojc/yindex.html - Ido index http://groups.yahoo.com/group/idolisto - Idolisto home "I cannot but conclude the bulk of your natives to be the most pernicious race of little odious vermin that nature ever suffered to crawl upon the surface of the earth." - Swift, Voyage to Brobdingnag _________________________________________________________________ Surf the Web without missing calls!�Get MSN Broadband. http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/freeactivation.asp Ido, linguo neutra inter diferanta kulturi. Linguo di amikeso! http://www.idolinguo.com Anuncez vua partopreno en la solena internaciona Ido-renkontro okazione la 150ma nasko-dio di Ido-pioniro Wilhelm Ostwald dum la periodo dil 8ma til 11ma di agosto 2003 en la Wilhelm-Ostwald-Memoreyo en Grossbothen che Leipzig (Germania). Plusa informi ed anuncfolieto vu trovas ye http://www.europa.idolinguo.com/Germania/Idokonfero2003 . Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now --0-880636434-1036340626=:55044 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

Se ica temi ne esas interdiktata che Idolisto me ne vidas motivo por krear ankore altra separata listo. Me esas kontre tala separatismo.

 James Chandler  skribis:

Kar amiki

Me pensas pri l'ideo di nova listo konsakrita a politikal diskuti per Ido.
La precipua motivo es ke europani bezonas forumo ube li povas interdiskutar
libere pri la futuro di Europa, sen barili linguala. Esas tre importanta ke
europani povez debatar pri developi en l'UE, quo nuntempe ed expansas e
pluprofundeskas. Ni bezonas vera tot-europana debato pri la futura
strukturo politikal di Europa.

Pluse en la mondo nuntempe esas multa minaci e chanji pro la terorist-ataki
e la 'Milito kontre Terorismo'. Esas tre importanta ke ni povez debatar ed
interkomunikar pri developi legal e milital en nia landi e cirkum la globo.
Me kredas ke ni povus atraktar homi ad Ido per provizar tala forumo ube omni
povus diskutar libere e facile. Sen debato esos nula demokratio.

Do la sequanta temi esos diskutebla che nova listo: politiko nacional,
europana (inkl. UE), mondal; nuna eventi e novaji irgaspeca. Tamen, ica
temi nule esos interdiktata che Idolisto, o mem deskurajigata. Me propozas
por la nova listo la nomo 'ido-politiko'. (Parenteze, ja existas listo
'per-esperanto-politiko'.)

Me joyas audor via komenti pri ca propozo.

Kun kordiala saluti.

Kordiale, James Chandler
idojc@hotmail.com
http://www.geocities.com/idojc - IALs index
http://www.geocities.com/idojc/yindex.html - Ido index
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/idolisto - Idolisto home

"I cannot but conclude the bulk of your natives to be the most pernicious
race of little odious vermin that nature ever suffered to crawl upon the
surface of the earth." - Swift, Voyage to Brobdingnag




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HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now --0-880636434-1036340626=:55044-- From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 7239 Return-Path: X-Sender: dongasper2@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_2_1); 3 Nov 2002 16:37:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 11712 invoked from network); 3 Nov 2002 16:37:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Nov 2002 16:37:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web40507.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.78.124) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Nov 2002 16:37:52 -0000 Message-ID: <20021103163752.41245.qmail@web40507.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [203.195.22.140] by web40507.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 03 Nov 2002 08:37:52 PST Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2002 08:37:52 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [ido] ISLAMO (FINO ESPEREBLE) To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20021102103327.0AA2F13694@smtp5-out.minitel.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1416471438-1036341472=:40564" From: Donald Gasper X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=118145963 --0-1416471438-1036341472=:40564 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Kara Jean Martignon, Vu eroras dicante ke me provis justifikar la teroristi. Quale me ja skribis, provar komprenar ne signifikas justifikar. Vu darfas havar vua opiniono. Tamen segun mea opiniono dicar ke ni esas en militala stando kontre islamo e (omna) islamani esas nekorekta e pluse tre danjeroza. Ka vu ne komprenas ke tala dicajo nur helpas la teroristi nam ol pulsas mem moderata, neradikala islamani (la majoritato, segun me) aden la kampo dil extremisti? "Ido, linguo neutra inter diferanta kulturi. Linguo di amikeso!" DG JEAN MARTIGNON skribis: Cetere me ne durabus mea ataki, se Don gasper ne provabus justifikar la desesitiminda teroristinachi. Ni esas en militala stando kontre la islamo e la islamani savas lo tre bone. Esas regretinda ke Ocidentani volas impozar a ni dialogo e toleremo, nunepoke neposibla. Forsan future... JM :::-::: Ido, linguo neutra inter diferanta kulturi. Linguo di amikeso! --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now --0-1416471438-1036341472=:40564 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

Kara Jean Martignon,

Vu eroras dicante ke me provis justifikar la teroristi. Quale me ja skribis, provar komprenar ne signifikas justifikar.

Vu darfas havar vua opiniono. Tamen segun mea opiniono dicar ke ni esas en militala stando kontre islamo e (omna) islamani esas nekorekta e pluse tre danjeroza. Ka vu ne komprenas ke tala dicajo nur helpas la teroristi nam ol pulsas mem moderata, neradikala islamani (la majoritato, segun me) aden la kampo dil extremisti?

"Ido, linguo neutra inter diferanta kulturi. Linguo di amikeso!"

DG

 JEAN MARTIGNON skribis:

Cetere me ne
durabus mea ataki, se Don gasper ne
provabus justifikar la desesitiminda
teroristinachi.

Ni esas
en militala stando kontre la islamo
e la islamani savas lo tre bone. Esas
regretinda ke Ocidentani volas impozar
a ni dialogo e toleremo, nunepoke
neposibla. Forsan future... JM :::-:::

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Separata listo povas esar necesa, se centi de diskutanti konstante volas komunikar pri to. Ultre me opinionas, ke politikala temi esas interesiva por omni, adminime por le maxim multa. Ni omni vivas "hike ed hodie", quale onu dicas en Germana. Ma me anke aceptus altra vidpunto, ma nevole. Tre amikale Eberhard From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 7241 Return-Path: X-Sender: eberhard.scholz@idolinguo.de X-Apparently-To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_2_1); 3 Nov 2002 20:58:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 45262 invoked from network); 3 Nov 2002 20:58:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Nov 2002 20:58:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO moutvdom.kundenserver.de) (195.20.224.130) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Nov 2002 20:58:02 -0000 Received: from [212.227.126.221] (helo=mrvdomng.kundenserver.de) by moutvdom.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 188Ron-0002DS-00 for idolisto@yahoogroups.com; Sun, 03 Nov 2002 21:58:02 +0100 Received: from [213.6.159.38] (helo=scholz) by mrvdomng.kundenserver.de with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 188Rol-0007nM-00 for idolisto@yahoogroups.com; Sun, 03 Nov 2002 21:58:00 +0100 Message-ID: <004001c29bd7$c5b2d2a0$6d0706d5@scholz> To: References: <20021103162346.55255.qmail@web40506.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [ido] Propozo: nova listo Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 21:39:41 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002E_01C29BDD.A7452740" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Eberhard Scholz" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=23339976 X-Yahoo-Profile: e_scholz2002 ------=_NextPart_000_002E_01C29BDD.A74522740 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ----- Original Message ----- From: Donald Gasper To: idolisto@yaho= ogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 03, 2002 5:23 PM Subject: Re: [ido]= Propozo: nova listo Se ica temi ne esas interdiktata che Idolisto me n= e vidas motivo por krear ankore altra separata listo. 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Ne esante certa me suponas > ke "Wenceslas" anke povas esar Vaclav, de quo Venceslao es latinigo. Wenceslas Placo existas en Warszawa, se me ne eroras. Forsan nia Polona listani savas pri la santulo o rejulo. Amikale, Michael Talbot-Wilson From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 7669 Return-Path: X-Sender: cellus@telia.com X-Apparently-To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_3_0); 26 Dec 2002 14:51:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 67481 invoked from network); 26 Dec 2002 14:51:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Dec 2002 14:51:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO maile.telia.com) (194.22.190.16) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Dec 2002 14:51:27 -0000 Received: from d1o913.telia.com (d1o913.telia.com [195.252.44.241]) by maile.telia.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBQEpQAT002483 for ; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 15:51:26 +0100 (CET) X-Original-Recipient: Received: from telia.com (h226n2fls21o913.telia.com [213.65.172.226]) by d1o913.telia.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA00926 for ; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 15:51:23 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <3E0B176B.47AAD7B3@telia.com> Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 15:51:24 +0100 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: sv,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ido] Kristnasko ne esos blanka en Britania References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Kjell Rehnstrom X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=28747247 Michael Talbot-Wilson wrote: > Ye 2002-12-25 15:28 +0100, Kjell Rehnstrom skribis: > > > Nikolaos es un kozo e Wenceslas es altra. Ne esante certa me suponas > > ke "Wenceslas" anke povas esar Vaclav, de quo Venceslao es latinigo. > > Wenceslas Placo existas en Warszawa, se me ne eroras. Forsan nia > Polona listani savas pri la santulo o rejulo. Ne, la venceslas placo es in Praha. Me fakte promenadis sur ol dum la konfero di Interlingua en 1995 (me kredas). Ol es "Vaclavske namesti" en la cheka linguo. Kjell R From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 7670 Return-Path: X-Sender: cellus@telia.com X-Apparently-To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_3_0); 26 Dec 2002 14:57:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 74240 invoked from network); 26 Dec 2002 14:57:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Dec 2002 14:57:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailf.telia.com) (194.22.194.25) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Dec 2002 14:57:22 -0000 Received: from d1o913.telia.com (d1o913.telia.com [195.252.44.241]) by mailf.telia.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBQEvLBg027647 for ; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 15:57:21 +0100 (CET) X-Original-Recipient: Received: from telia.com (h226n2fls21o913.telia.com [213.65.172.226]) by d1o913.telia.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA04967 for ; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 15:57:21 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <3E0B18CF.397FE8DF@telia.com> Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 15:57:19 +0100 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: sv,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ido] Kristnasko ne esos blanka en Britania References: <3E0B176B.47AAD7B3@telia.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Kjell Rehnstrom X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=28747247 Kjell Rehnstrom wrote: > Michael Talbot-Wilson wrote: > > > Ye 2002-12-25 15:28 +0100, Kjell Rehnstrom skribis: > > > > > Nikolaos es un kozo e Wenceslas es altra. Ne esante certa me suponas > > > ke "Wenceslas" anke povas esar Vaclav, de quo Venceslao es latinigo. > > > > Wenceslas Placo existas en Warszawa, se me ne eroras. Forsan nia > > Polona listani savas pri la santulo o rejulo. > > Ne, la venceslas placo es in Praha. Me fakte promenadis sur ol dum la konfero di Interlingua en 1995 (me kredas). Ol es "Vaclavske namesti" en la cheka linguo. Kompreninde ol es _en_ Praha. E me promenis sur la strato. Korekteme Kjell R From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 7671 Return-Path: X-Sender: mtw@birdseye.view.net.au X-Apparently-To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_3_0); 26 Dec 2002 15:34:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 53055 invoked from network); 26 Dec 2002 15:34:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Dec 2002 15:34:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chameleon.view.net.au) (203.87.111.154) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Dec 2002 15:34:33 -0000 Received: from chameleon.view.net.au (mtw@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chameleon.view.net.au (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id gBQFYVgg020871 for ; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 02:04:31 +1030 Received: from localhost (mtw@localhost) by chameleon.view.net.au (8.12.2/8.12.2/Submit) with ESMTP id gBQFYUeq020868 for ; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 02:04:30 +1030 X-Authentication-Warning: chameleon.view.net.au: mtw owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 02:04:30 +1030 (CST) X-X-Sender: mtw@chameleon.view.net.au To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ido] Kristnasko ne esos blanka en Britania In-Reply-To: <3E0B18CF.397FE8DF@telia.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Michael Talbot-Wilson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=8823137 Ye 2002-12-26 15:57 +0100, Kjell Rehnstrom skribis: > Kjell Rehnstrom wrote: > > > Michael Talbot-Wilson wrote: > > > > > Ye 2002-12-25 15:28 +0100, Kjell Rehnstrom skribis: > > > > > > > Nikolaos es un kozo e Wenceslas es altra. Ne esante certa me suponas > > > > ke "Wenceslas" anke povas esar Vaclav, de quo Venceslao es latinigo. > > > > > > Wenceslas Placo existas en Warszawa, se me ne eroras. Forsan nia > > > Polona listani savas pri la santulo o rejulo. > > > > Ne, la venceslas placo es in Praha. Me fakte promenadis sur ol dum la konfero di Interlingua en 1995 (me kredas). Ol es "Vaclavske namesti" en la cheka linguo. > > Kompreninde ol es _en_ Praha. E me promenis sur la strato. > > Korekteme No, la venceslas placo es en Praha. Me fakte promenadis sur ol dum la konfero di Interlingua en 1995 (me kredas)... E me promenis en la strado. (O sur la sulo / kareli di la placo? La vorto "strato" existas en Ido, ma ne semblas fitar.) From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 7672 Return-Path: X-Sender: dgweston@amserve.com X-Apparently-To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_3_0); 26 Dec 2002 21:50:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 21522 invoked from network); 26 Dec 2002 21:50:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Dec 2002 21:50:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail-1.amstrad.demon.net) (212.225.36.183) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Dec 2002 21:50:39 -0000 Received: from pr-du-212.225.40.200.amstrad.demon.net (pr-du-212.225.40.200.amstrad.demon.net [212.225.40.200]) by mail-1.amstrad.demon.net (Mirapoint) with SMTP id ADV35033; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 21:50:37 GMT Message-Id: <200212262150.ADV35033@mail-1.amstrad.demon.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Subject: Yulo (*) Date: 26 Dec 2002 21:50:37 +0000 From: "David G Weston" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=112389959 Pluse pri Yulo (*), pri qua me lektis kelka mesaji. En la angla la vorto esas "yule" (quale M T-W komentas) ed anke "yuletide": ta vorto havas antiqua qualeso. Anke notenda esas la "yule log" - yulo-lenio. Me lektas ke ca olim esis granda lenio, ceremoniale pozata en la herdo ye la vespero ante Kristnasko, ed acendata per brando prenita de la lenio di la lasta yaro; pose eventis granda drinkado e joyado. Nunatempe, multi manjas leniatra kuko dum la dii pos Kristnasko: semblas ke lo relatas la nova yaro, prefere kam Kristnasko. Me memoras ke la vorto Yulo ofte aparis sur la kovrilo di la Sueda revuo "Komuniki" (sen asterisko, me mustas raportar) se la numero aparis kurte ante Kristnasko. On lektis la frazo "Joyoza Yulo e Felicoza Nova Yaro" o "Agreabla Yulo... " e tale pluse. Ca revuo redaktesis da Axel Rylander; ol aparis de 1978 til 1988 (e sequis la antea Sueda Mondolinguala Revuo). Axel Rylander mortis kelka yari ante nun. David Weston -- Chat online anytime at AMSCHAT - www.amschat.com From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 7673 Return-Path: X-Sender: rich.steven@xtra.co.nz X-Apparently-To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_3_0); 27 Dec 2002 02:15:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 45379 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2002 02:15:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Dec 2002 02:15:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.81) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Dec 2002 02:15:37 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.132] by n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Dec 2002 02:15:37 -0000 Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 02:15:36 -0000 To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Subject: Cienco: Inteligenta vestari Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 550 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "richsteven2000 " X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=30255837 X-Yahoo-Profile: richsteven2000 INTELIGENTA VESTARI Che Virginia Teknikala Kolegio, du exploristi produktabas nova stofo quan kontenas elektronala elementi. Precipue por la militistaro, ta projeto recevas pekunio de la guvernerio usala e developos vestari quale portebla (*gerebla) *komputori ed anke stofi por fabrikar tendi o kamuflanta reti. Tala stofi povos deskovrar la febla soni de lontana veturi se li movus pro manovri enemikala. Altra sensili en la stofi forsan deskovros kemiaji, nociva gasi, radio-ondi o mem signali de komuniko-satelito. - De R. Stevenson. From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 7674 Return-Path: X-Sender: polido@interia.pl X-Apparently-To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_3_0); 27 Dec 2002 18:33:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 43814 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2002 18:33:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Dec 2002 18:33:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO poczta.interia.pl) (217.74.65.50) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Dec 2002 18:33:16 -0000 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (naos.interia.pl [127.0.0.1]) by system.wewnetrzny9 (Mailserver) with SMTP id 8C5EA7F34 for ; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 19:33:14 +0100 (CET) Received: by poczta.interia.pl (Mailserver, from userid 502) id EA9417F24; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 19:33:13 +0100 (CET) Received: from default (pc172.radom.cvx.ppp.tpnet.pl [213.77.241.172]) by poczta.interia.pl (Mailserver) with SMTP id B1C957EEF for ; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 19:33:11 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <00af01c2add6$9411db40$acf14dd5@default> To: References: <3E09B7C4.B7E3AE20@telia.com> Subject: Odp: [ido] Quale tradukar? Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 13:28:28 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-EMID: 3f14cabc From: "Vlado" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=98280703 Kjell Rehnstrom skribis: >Ol es tutsimple "interfaco" tam >quam la maro = havas "surfaco" dil aquo Certe la maro havas "surfaco", qua es samatempe = "interfaco" inter la aquo e la aero. Vlado ----------------------------= ------------------------------------------- Oficjalny serwis Polskiej Reprez= entacji Skoczkow Narciarskich! >>> http://link.interia.pl/f16b1 From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 7675 Return-Path: X-Sender: cellus@telia.com X-Apparently-To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_3_0); 27 Dec 2002 19:58:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 21497 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2002 19:58:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Dec 2002 19:58:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO maila.telia.com) (194.22.194.231) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Dec 2002 19:58:23 -0000 Received: from d1o913.telia.com (d1o913.telia.com [195.252.44.241]) by maila.telia.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBRJwMLJ016367 for ; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 20:58:22 +0100 (CET) X-Original-Recipient: Received: from telia.com (h226n2fls21o913.telia.com [213.65.172.226]) by d1o913.telia.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA00581 for ; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 20:58:21 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <3E0CB0DC.A16FBC9A@telia.com> Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 20:58:20 +0100 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: sv,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Odp: [ido] Quale tradukar? References: <3E09B7C4.B7E3AE20@telia.com> <00af01c2add6$9411db40$acf14dd5@default> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Kjell Rehnstrom X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=28747247 Vlado wrote: > Kjell Rehnstrom skribis: > > >Ol es tutsimple "interfaco" tam > >quam la maro havas "surfaco" dil aquo > > Certe la maro havas "surfaco", qua es > samatempe "interfaco" inter la aquo > e la aero. Tre korekta noto! Yes! Kjell R From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 7676 Return-Path: <100024.1005@compuserve.com> X-Sender: 100024.1005@compuserve.com X-Apparently-To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_3_0); 27 Dec 2002 21:49:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 47639 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2002 21:49:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Dec 2002 21:49:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO siaag2ae.compuserve.com) (149.174.40.135) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Dec 2002 21:49:42 -0000 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by siaag2ae.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-1.18) id QAA20179 for idolisto@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 16:49:41 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 16:46:48 -0500 Subject: Re: [ido] Quale tradukar? Sender: "R.B. Carnaghan" <100024.1005@compuserve.com> To: "INTERNET:idolisto@yahoogroups.com" Message-ID: <200212271648_MC3-1-21EF-530F@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline From: "R.B. Carnaghan" <100024.1005@compuserve.com> X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=490734 Hans S. demandas quale tradukar 'user-interface' (me skribus: 'user interface'). La vorto 'interface' signifikas limito-surfaco komuna; o punto od area di kontakto inter kozi, sistemi, temi e.c.; o (*komputore) la konekto o junto inter du sistemi, o du parti di sama sistemo. Do la maxim apta tradukuro dependas ye la senco (qua esas forsan videbla de la kuntexto quan ni ne savas). Forsan 'kontakto-surfaco uzebla' o 'kontakteyo di uzanto' o 'kontaktilo por uzanto'? La vorto 'faco' signifikas ago facar, do 'interfaco' ne semblas a me esar apta. Robert Carnaghan. From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 7677 Return-Path: X-Sender: mtw@birdseye.view.net.au X-Apparently-To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_3_0); 28 Dec 2002 06:41:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 57143 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2002 06:41:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Dec 2002 06:41:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chameleon.view.net.au) (203.87.111.154) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Dec 2002 06:41:27 -0000 Received: from chameleon.view.net.au (mtw@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chameleon.view.net.au (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id gBS6fPjb000918 for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 17:11:25 +1030 Received: from localhost (mtw@localhost) by chameleon.view.net.au (8.12.2/8.12.2/Submit) with ESMTP id gBS6fOKa000915 for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 17:11:25 +1030 X-Authentication-Warning: chameleon.view.net.au: mtw owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 17:11:24 +1030 (CST) X-X-Sender: mtw@chameleon.view.net.au To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Odp: [ido] Quale tradukar? In-Reply-To: <3E0CB0DC.A16FBC9A@telia.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Michael Talbot-Wilson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=8823137 Ye 2002-12-27 20:58 +0100, Kjell Rehnstrom skribis: > Vlado wrote: > > > Kjell Rehnstrom skribis: > > > > >Ol es tutsimple "interfaco" tam > > >quam la maro havas "surfaco" dil aquo > > > > Certe la maro havas "surfaco", qua es > > samatempe "interfaco" inter la aquo > > e la aero. > > Tre korekta noto! Yes! Ma se on atencas la konsilo di sro Carnaghan pri "facar", forsan "surfaco" esas male selektita, e preferinde on uzez *surfacio ed *interfacio. Certe la koncepto relatis ula facio. "E la Spirito di Deo movis sur la facio di la aqui." Amikale, Michael Talbot-Wilson From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 7678 Return-Path: X-Sender: cellus@telia.com X-Apparently-To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_3_0); 28 Dec 2002 08:50:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 61518 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2002 08:50:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Dec 2002 08:50:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailb.telia.com) (194.22.194.6) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Dec 2002 08:50:43 -0000 Received: from d1o913.telia.com (d1o913.telia.com [195.252.44.241]) by mailb.telia.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBS8ogmd026020 for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 09:50:42 +0100 (CET) X-Original-Recipient: Received: from telia.com (h226n2fls21o913.telia.com [213.65.172.226]) by d1o913.telia.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA28368 for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 09:50:41 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <3E0D65E1.D14C5832@telia.com> Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 09:50:42 +0100 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: sv,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Odp: [ido] Quale tradukar? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Kjell Rehnstrom X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=28747247 Michael Talbot-Wilson wrote: > Ye 2002-12-27 20:58 +0100, Kjell Rehnstrom skribis: > > > Vlado wrote: > > > > > Kjell Rehnstrom skribis: > > > > > > >Ol es tutsimple "interfaco" tam > > > >quam la maro havas "surfaco" dil aquo > > > > > > Certe la maro havas "surfaco", qua es > > > samatempe "interfaco" inter la aquo > > > e la aero. > > > > Tre korekta noto! Yes! > > Ma se on atencas la konsilo di sro Carnaghan pri "facar", forsan > "surfaco" esas male selektita, e preferinde on uzez *surfacio ed > *interfacio. Certe la koncepto relatis ula facio. "E la Spirito di > Deo movis sur la facio di la aqui." Me trovas ke mea sueda-ido-vortlibro ne enhavas la vorto "vizajo", qua me tamen trovis per hasardo com antonimo! In Dyer me trovas ke es "faco", la ago de facar kozo ma tamen _surfaco_. To kun "faco" e "facio" es kozo ke me ne observis pro mea mala konoco de ido. Nun kande me legis la vortlibro pri ta vorti me pensas ke se on volas ulo on debe usar "interfacio", ante toto nam to jam es international. Se on volus plu purisma solvuro on povus imaginar "mediaco", nam la interfacio mediacas inter exemple la homo e la mashino. Ma "interfacio" malgre sua idiotismo es la maxime bona vorto, pro su internaciona uzo. Kjell R From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 7679 Return-Path: X-Sender: mtw@birdseye.view.net.au X-Apparently-To: idolisto@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_3_0); 30 Dec 2002 02:26:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 80229 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2002 02:26:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Dec 2002 02:26:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chameleon.view.net.au) (203.87.111.154) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Dec 2002 02:26:44 -0000 Received: from chameleon.view.net.au (mtw@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chameleon.view.net.au (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id gBU2QfVQ001243 for ; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 12:56:41 +1030 Received: from localhost (mtw@localhost) by chameleon.view.net.au (8.12.2/8.12.2/Submit) with ESMTP id gBU2QeO6001240 for ; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 12:56:41 +1030 X-Authentication-Warning: chameleon.view.net.au: mtw owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 12:56:40 +1030 (CST) X-X-Sender: mtw@chameleon.view.net.au To: Ido Listo Subject: La Britaniana linguo Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Michael Talbot-Wilson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=8823137 Kara amiki, Me serchis la Inter-Retajo pri quale pronuncar la vorti di Chaucer, e trovis ke la kurta "a" di "whan" e "hath" pronuncesas quale la "o" di "Modern English 'hot'" [pri qua, kompreneble, on ne bezonas plusa expliko], e la kurta "o" di "of" e "yonge" pronuncesas quale la "o" di "Modern British 'fox' -- think of the way Richard Burton would say it". Ma (se me ne eroras) ne esas difero pri le "o" di "hot" e "fox" en la linguo di la Britaniani. Tale on saveskas ke la Britaniana linguo esas la linguo di Britania, e la Angla linguo esas la linguo di Usa. Fortunoze ni havas la linguo Ido, e povas dicar ke la kurta "a" di "whan" (e la kurta "o" di la modern Angla ma ne di la Britaniana) pronuncesas quale la "a" di "pronuncas", la kurta "o" di "yonge" pronuncesas quale la "o" di "pronuncas", e la kurta "u" di "sunne" pronuncesas quale la "u" di "pronuncas". Amikale, Michael Talbot-Wilson From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 7680 Return-Path: X-Sender: idojc@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_3_0); 30 Dec 2002 19:52:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 83004 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2002 19:52:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Dec 2002 19:52:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.17.60) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Dec 2002 19:52:02 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 11:48:23 -0800 Received: from 195.92.67.67 by lw11fd.law11.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 19:48:22 GMT To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: [ido] La Britaniana linguo Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 19:48:22 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Dec 2002 19:48:23.0552 (UTC) FILETIME=[69925800:01C2B03C] From: "James Chandler" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=24528831 X-Yahoo-Profile: idojc MTW skribis: >Ma (se me ne eroras) ne esas difero pri le "o" di "hot" e "fox" en la >linguo di la Britaniani. Tale on saveskas ke la Britaniana linguo >esas la linguo di Britania, e la Angla linguo esas la linguo di Usa. En l'usana dialekto, la lexiko-grupo di qua la normal exemplo es LOT subisis procedo nomizita 'LOT-desrondesko'. To es, la ronda vokalo dil angla 'o' en ca vorti ne plus es ronda en Usa, ed es kurta vokalo quale l'idala 'a'. Kordiale, James Chandler idojc@hotmail.com http://www.geocities.com/idojc - IALs index http://www.geocities.com/idojc/yindex.html - Ido index http://groups.yahoo.com/group/idolisto - Idolisto home "Indeed, I think that people want peace so much that one of these days governments had better get out of their way and let them have it." - Dwight D. Eisenhower _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail&xAPID=42&PS=47575&PI=7324&DI=7474&SU= http://www.hotmail.msn.com/cgi-bin/getmsg&HL=1216hotmailtaglines_addphotos_3mf From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 7681 Return-Path: X-Sender: dongasper2@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_3_0); 31 Dec 2002 03:32:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 48921 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2002 03:32:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Dec 2002 03:32:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web40514.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.78.131) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Dec 2002 03:32:25 -0000 Message-ID: <20021231033225.23385.qmail@web40514.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [203.195.95.86] by web40514.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 19:32:25 PST Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 19:32:25 -0800 (PST) Subject: Felica Nova Yaro To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-2027153499-1041305545=:22482" From: Donald Gasper X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=118145963 X-Yahoo-Profile: dongasper2 --0-2027153499-1041305545=:22482 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Kara amiki, David Weston memorigis pri la Sueda revuo "Komuniki" redaktita da nia regretata Alex Rylander en qua ofte aparis la vorto "Yulo". To esas vera. Tamen me tre dubitas ka samideano Rylander uzis la expresuro "Felicoza Nova Yaro" nam "felicoza" ne esas korekta Ido-vorto, quankam kelka amiki obstineme uzas ol. Voluntez memorar ke la korekta formo esas "felica." Cetere, la origino dil franca/angla "Noel" pri qua Hans questionis esas la latina "natalis" de qua venas italiana "Natale", portugala "Natal" e hispana "Nadal." Kun saluti ankorfoye por felica Nova Yaro, Don --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now --0-2027153499-1041305545=:22482 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

Kara amiki,

David Weston memorigis pri la Sueda revuo "Komuniki" redaktita da nia regretata  Alex Rylander en qua ofte aparis la vorto "Yulo".

To esas vera. Tamen me tre dubitas ka samideano Rylander uzis la expresuro "Felicoza Nova Yaro" nam "felicoza" ne esas korekta Ido-vorto, quankam kelka amiki obstineme uzas ol.

Voluntez memorar ke la korekta formo esas "felica."

Cetere, la origino dil franca/angla "Noel" pri qua Hans questionis esas la latina "natalis" de qua venas italiana "Natale", portugala "Natal" e hispana "Nadal."

Kun saluti ankorfoye por felica Nova Yaro,

Don


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Sign up now --0-2027153499-1041305545=:22482-- From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 7682 Return-Path: X-Sender: ido.info@chello.nl X-Apparently-To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_3_0); 31 Dec 2002 12:19:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 50069 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2002 12:19:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Dec 2002 12:19:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO amsfep13-int.chello.nl) (213.46.243.24) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Dec 2002 12:19:14 -0000 Received: from stuifbergen ([24.132.24.215]) by amsfep13-int.chello.nl (InterMail vM.5.01.05.17 201-253-122-126-117-20021021) with SMTP id <20021231121912.ANO13007.amsfep13-int.chello.nl@stuifbergen> for ; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 13:19:12 +0100 Message-ID: <002f01c2b0c7$8a580540$d7188418@a2000.nl> To: "idolisto" Subject: Retroe Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 13:24:17 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "Hans Stuifbergen" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=22974939 X-Yahoo-Profile: ido_info Kara amiki, Me retro-esas en Ido-lando, to es, me retro-esas en Nederlando pos vakanceto de kin dii en Paris, Francia. Me ed amiko pasis tre bona dii ibe, malgre la pluvema vetero. Fortunoze ne koldesis, do shirmata da parapluvo ni vizitis muzei, butiki e granda bazari. Precipue tre afabla expozo es "Jacky Kennedy", pri la modo di vesto di Jacky Kennedy, en la Muzeo di Texuro e Kostumi. Jacky Kennedy impresis la populo Usana e la mondo, kun elua spozo Jack Kennedy, kom yuna moderna homi. En l' expozo on dicis ke Jack Kennedy certe ne esus prezidanto sen l' asisto di Jacky. Jacky Kennedy parolis ultre elua matrala linguo l' Angla, anke la Hispana e la Franca, lektis l' Italiana e lernis la Polona linguo. On montris manu-skribita texti direte en la Hispana o la Franca. El anke direktis la dinei oficala en la Blanka Domo ed on povis vidar la propozi di plasizo, qua apud qua dum la dinei. Ofte kun noto ke ta o ta persono ne parolas la Franca (dum dineo okazione la vizito di Franca delegitaro) e ke Franca-parolanto devis sidar apud Franco. Ni anke vizitis l' Instituto di la Mondo Araba, qua kontenas muzeo. Anke ta muzeo esis tre interesanta, pri la civilizuri Araba ante e pos l' introdukto di islamo. Me ne expektis lo, ma ta muzeo esis tre bone vizitata, esis tre okupata. Tante, ke ni ne plu deziris vizitar la specal expozo pri Kavali Imajigita, por qua on devis vartar en serio, extere en la pluvo, plu kam horo ante enirar. Specale atraktive ed amuzante esis komprar en la granda bazari quala Printempe, La Fayette e Le Samaritaine. Pro la Kristnasko esis tre okupata, ma l' edifici es tante bela ornita, tam l' internajo kam exterajo, ke ja nur vagar en l' edifici es festo por l' okulo e nazo. Me nur regretas ne esir kompranta vesti o kozo specala, nam la preci esis tro alta por me (o forsan me es tro avara...). On povas manjar ecelante en la restorerii di Paris, quankam anke enorme chera, ma on ne es mizeroza pri la porcioni. Me havas tre pozitiva opiniono pri la Franci e Parisani, nula negativa experienco. Li es tre afabla. Ho, me anke vidis l' afishi pri qui skribis nia amiko Franca Jean Martignon, pri la muzikalo "I do I do", qua, efektive, pro tipografio semblas dicar Ido Ido. Paris certe rivizitesos da me, ton me ja konkluzis. Saluti amikala, Hans St. -- - IDOLISTO, forumo por diskuti en Ido-linguo: idolisto-subscribe@yahoogroups.com - libro: ARTHUR RIMBAUD, biografio, 75 pag., 3,50 euri http://www.angelfire.com/id/Avance/TiaListo1.html IDO, LA LINGUO INTERNACIONA http://members.tripod.com/~avancigado http://www.idolinguo.com/ Ido, linguo neutra inter diferanta kulturi From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 7683 Return-Path: X-Sender: ido.info@chello.nl X-Apparently-To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_3_0); 31 Dec 2002 12:59:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 6435 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2002 12:59:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Dec 2002 12:59:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO amsfep12-int.chello.nl) (213.46.243.18) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Dec 2002 12:59:37 -0000 Received: from stuifbergen ([24.132.24.215]) by amsfep12-int.chello.nl (InterMail vM.5.01.05.17 201-253-122-126-117-20021021) with SMTP id <20021231125935.DULX27667.amsfep12-int.chello.nl@stuifbergen> for ; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 13:59:35 +0100 Message-ID: <005101c2b0cd$2e85cc60$d7188418@a2000.nl> To: "idolisto" Subject: (Az)raelani Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 14:04:40 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "Hans Stuifbergen" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=22974939 X-Yahoo-Profile: ido_info Dum ke me esis en Francia, en la hotelo me vidis ye la televiziono la medio-konfero di siorino Boisselier, en Florida, Usa, pri la klono-bebeo naskonta, de muliero, membro di la sekto Rael. Kelka semani ante mea iro a Francia, me lektis la libro "Lanzarote" da la Franca skriptisto Michel Houllebeck en qua il skribis pri la sekto Azrael. Me citas alineo di "Lanzarote": "La respondo quan prizentas la religio Azraelana, es radikale nova, pro ke lo posibligas por omni, ye ca instanto e sur ca tero, la fizikala ne-mortaleso. Praktike to signifikas ke de singla nova adheranto esos for-prenata peco di pelo; to es konservata en tre basa temperaturo. Freque es kontakto kun la maxim avancigita bioteknologiala instituti ye la domeno di klonifo* di homi. Azreal avancas plusa pazeto ed ofras la posibleso di ne-mortaleso di pensaji e memoraji - per tempale konservar la memoro-kontenajo, e seque spricar ol en la cerebro di nova klono*." Lor la lekto di la libro, me pensis ke koncernis fantaziajo di Houllebeck, ma nun klare me vidas ilua fonto. La Raelani es l' unesma sekto qua klonifas* homi. La jurnalo De Volkskrant, quan me lektis hiere, es tre skeptika pri la suceso di la klono*, nam segun lu, la tekniko ankore ne es sat perfekta por senprobleme klonifar* homi. Saluti amikala, Hans St. -- - IDOLISTO, forumo por diskuti en Ido-linguo: idolisto-subscribe@yahoogroups.com - libro: ARTHUR RIMBAUD, biografio, 75 pag., 3,50 euri http://www.angelfire.com/id/Avance/TiaListo1.html IDO, LA LINGUO INTERNACIONA http://members.tripod.com/~avancigado http://www.idolinguo.com/ Ido, linguo neutra inter diferanta kulturi From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 7684 Return-Path: X-Sender: ido.info@chello.nl X-Apparently-To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_3_0); 31 Dec 2002 19:46:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 31732 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2002 19:46:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Dec 2002 19:46:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO amsfep11-int.chello.nl) (213.46.243.20) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Dec 2002 19:46:40 -0000 Received: from stuifbergen ([24.132.24.215]) by amsfep11-int.chello.nl (InterMail vM.5.01.05.17 201-253-122-126-117-20021021) with SMTP id <20021231194639.LQOC4441.amsfep11-int.chello.nl@stuifbergen>; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 20:46:39 +0100 Message-ID: <00b301c2b106$0e0f5080$d7188418@a2000.nl> To: "idolisto" Cc: "B.Verstappen" , "Bartek P" , , =?iso-8859-1?Q?gon=E7alo_neves?= , , "Matti Braun" , , , , , , , , Subject: Bona Nova Yaro Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 20:51:47 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "Hans Stuifbergen" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=22974939 X-Yahoo-Profile: ido_info Kara amiki, Yen, probable mea lasta, ya ultima mesajo di 2003. Me kredas ke nia amiki en Australia e Nova Zelando, Indonezia ed altra landi en la regiono di Oceania ja celebris l' arivo di la nova yaro. Pos kelka hori anke ni en Europa celebras l' arivo di la nova yaro. Do, ante irar a diversa festi en l' urbo, che amiki, me deziras ad omni: Lo Maxim Bona por 2003 Deziras Hans Stuifbergen, -- - IDOLISTO, forumo por diskuti en Ido-linguo: idolisto-subscribe@yahoogroups.com - libro: ARTHUR RIMBAUD, biografio, 75 pag., 3,50 euri http://www.angelfire.com/id/Avance/TiaListo1.html IDO, LA LINGUO INTERNACIONA http://members.tripod.com/~avancigado http://www.idolinguo.com/ Ido, linguo neutra inter diferanta kulturi From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 7685 Return-Path: X-Sender: brickswall@mtu-net.ru X-Apparently-To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_3_0); 31 Dec 2002 23:50:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 3294 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2002 23:50:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Dec 2002 23:50:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hueymiccailhuitl.mtu.ru) (195.34.32.123) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Dec 2002 23:50:27 -0000 Received: from localhost (ppp157-122.dialup.mtu-net.ru [62.118.157.122]) by hueymiccailhuitl.mtu.ru (Postfix) with SMTP id 250C4FB546; Wed, 1 Jan 2003 02:50:25 +0300 (MSK) (envelope-from brickswall@mtu-net.ru) Message-ID: <009901c2b126$e19f9200$0100007f@localhost> To: , "IDOLISTO" Subject: Felica nova yaro al vi omna, kara idisti! Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2003 02:38:46 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="koi8-r" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 From: "Alexander E. Kirpichev" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=9039566 X-Yahoo-Profile: nostrev Kar ido- ed idostab-listani, Ni, en Rusia, ja vivas en la Nova Yaro - la 2003. Me deziras ke lu esez pacoz e felica por tota la homaro! Havez sucesi, esez sana, esez toleranta en la venanta yaro! Ante kelka dii me ricevabis la Progreso, quo esis un granda e tre agrabla surprizo por me. Danko, kara Hans! Nun ja esas 2:50 e me ne havas la forto por skribor plu multe... Bona yaro nova a vi! Amikale, Alex From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 7686 Return-Path: X-Sender: idojc@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_3_0); 2 Jan 2003 12:52:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 91975 invoked from network); 2 Jan 2003 12:52:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jan 2003 12:52:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.17.12) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jan 2003 12:52:33 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 2 Jan 2003 04:46:45 -0800 Received: from 195.166.69.187 by lw11fd.law11.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 02 Jan 2003 12:46:45 GMT To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: [ido] Stultegajo en Europana Uniono Date: Thu, 02 Jan 2003 12:46:45 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Jan 2003 12:46:45.0897 (UTC) FILETIME=[023BC790:01C2B25D] From: "James Chandler" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=24528831 X-Yahoo-Profile: idojc Kjell skribis: >To es un interesanta questiono. Ka la kontinentani ne elektagis sua >representanti? Yes, ma nur ye nacionala nivelo, en nacional elekti. Lia reprezenteri ne direktas la pekunio, e ne mem decidis pri la 0%-regulo (pri to decidis la Komisitaro, to es, la burokrati). >Es nature preferinda ke omna landi havus plebiciti, ma nun on kredis ke la >regule elektita representanti povis decidar pri la enkonduko dil euro, tale >quale on prenis amaso da altra dedidi. Por tala decido plebicito es preferinda, mem necesa. En omna lando la questiono es konstitucional, ne nur ekonomial. En Britania, malgre ke Blair insistas ke la questiono es pure pri ekonomio, la publiko tamen ne esus kontenta sen (yusta) plebicito. >To es la maniero en qua centrala banko devas reaktar. Segun mea savo, la Banko di Anglia ne facas omna decidi ye tota sekreteso. >Se tu havas 0%-a inflaciono la pekunio retenas sua varolo e tu ne devas >komprar precoza metali por protektar la valoro di tua pekunio. Stabila pekunio es nur un ek multa skopi en politiko socio-ekonomiala, ed ol avantajizas precipue ti qui povas konservar kelka pekunio en banko. Alta nivelo di inflaciono es evitenda, ma certena flexebleso es posibla, por helpar komerco e konservar (o krear) employeso. En Britania l'inflacion-skopo, decidita da la guvernerio, es cirkume 2%. La tasko di la central banko es nur atingar, tam proxime kam posibla, la decidita skopo. >Se me bone memoras la fashista periodo esis karakterizata per inflaciono >(en ed Italia e Germania). Pro to nomizar la aktado dil Europa Centrala >Banko fashista es sole ke tu per "fashista" signalas ke tu ne amas la >laboro dil banko, e to es >nature tua juro de opinar. Ma vicee "fashista" tu povis same bone skribar >"mala", "nesaja" o simile. Ka ne? Me povabus uzar plu febla termino, ma nia libereso e demokratio es grave minacata, e ni devas parolar honeste pri la situaciono*. Existas plu kam un speco di fashismo: la militista fashismo di Hitler e Mussolini es un speco, ma la subtila, ekonomial fashismo dil UE es altra. >Nula kozo impedas tu elektar altra reprezenteri. Ka la komisiteri ne >elektesis de sua landi? No, li es selektata da la guvernerii, ne elektata. >Mea kredo es ke ol esos tre desfacila por Suedia restar ekstre la eurozono. >Nia valuto es tro mikra por vivar bone inter la granda bloki dil valuti. La >britana pundo havas plu granda shanco nam ol es plu granda kam la sueda >krono. >Ma kande la nova landi de Esteuropa adiras ad la Uniono, Suedia, Dania e >Norvegia esos la sola landi kon propra valuti e to esos la granda dio dil >valutospekulanti. Me komprenas ica timo; ma timo es un ek l'instrumenti dil UE e l'euro-fanatiki. Li difuzas timo pri perdo di employeso, ataki kontre mikra pekunii, e tale plus. Vice cedar a timo, on devas konsiderar omna lateri di la questiono ante decidar, e se necesa, rezistar la chanjo. Kordiale, James Chandler idojc@hotmail.com http://www.geocities.com/idojc - IALs index http://www.geocities.com/idojc/yindex.html - Ido index http://groups.yahoo.com/group/idolisto - Idolisto home "Indeed, I think that people want peace so much that one of these days governments had better get out of their way and let them have it." - Dwight D. 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Me esperas ke ne esos la lasta!

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 Hans Stuifbergen skribis:

Kara amiki,

Yen, probable mea lasta, ya ultima mesajo di 2003.


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Pro to, kande usani pronuncas mea prenomo "Don" ol sonas quale "Dan".

Don/Dan

 James Chandler skribis:

MTW skribis:

>Ma (se me ne eroras) ne esas difero pri le "o" di "hot" e "fox" en la
>linguo di la Britaniani.  Tale on saveskas ke la Britaniana linguo
>esas la linguo di Britania, e la Angla linguo esas la linguo di Usa.

En l'usana dialekto, la lexiko-grupo di qua la normal exemplo es LOT subisis
procedo nomizita 'LOT-desrondesko'.  To es, la ronda vokalo dil angla 'o' en
ca vorti ne plus es ronda en Usa, ed es kurta vokalo quale l'idala 'a'.


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Sign up now --0-955665765-1041515993=:36856-- From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 7689 Return-Path: X-Sender: idojc@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_3_0); 2 Jan 2003 14:13:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 15660 invoked from network); 2 Jan 2003 14:13:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jan 2003 14:13:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.17.139) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jan 2003 14:13:51 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 2 Jan 2003 06:12:19 -0800 Received: from 195.166.69.187 by lw11fd.law11.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 02 Jan 2003 14:12:19 GMT To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: [ido] la europana centrala bano Date: Thu, 02 Jan 2003 14:12:19 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Jan 2003 14:12:19.0921 (UTC) FILETIME=[F659AC10:01C2B268] From: "James Chandler" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=24528831 X-Yahoo-Profile: idojc Kai skribis: >La ECB kom institucuro dev _ne_ esar "demokratiala", t.e. ol dev esar exter >politikal influo. Ol es kreita da politikisti por guvernar la pekunial >politiko en stabila, ne-shancelema maniero. Nature la tasko central banko es direktar pekunio ye maniero stabila e racionala. Ol do bezonas kelka libereso de la guvernerio e parlamento, e nulu negus lo. Tamen la ECB es preske tote exter politikal direkto, e certe exter demokratial direkto. La skopo quan ol mustas vizar es nechanjebla, la metodi uzata por atingar ta skopo nesavesekebla: to es, dal ordinara europani. >Pri la EU generale: Certe existas "demokratiala deficito" en EU. La >Komisiono probable es tro povoza relate la Parlamento, e la Konsilerio ne >vere responsas a sua rispektiva landala parlamenti. Certe bezonesas chanji >e reformi, e tali on ya nun diskutas en la Konvento prezidata dal franca >ex-prezidanto Giscard d�Estaing. Esos interesanta vidar a quala konkluzi li >arivos. Quale sempre, la konkluzi esos plusa profundesko dil Uniono, plusa pazi vers superstato, e nula solvi por la multa problemi fundamentala. >Me sentas ke funde dil skeptikeso di James jacas bazala, principale tre >importoza questioni. Exemple: Quo esas demokratio? Ka reprezentala >demokratio es vera demokratio? En qua cirkonstanci reprezentala demokratio >cesas esar "vera" demokratio? Demokratio es su-guverno, o guverno di la homi da la homi. Ol es do esence guverno da la majoritato, tamen to povas funcionar pluramaniere. Segun Chomsky, en reprezentala demokratio la homi es nur spekteri, e certe to es justa certenagrade. Vera demokratio esus vere partoprenala: omnu partoprenus aktive ye la guverno di la stato e l'omnadiala debato, segun sua habileso. Ico es la Greka idealo di demokratio; tamen la greka urbo-stati esis tre mikra, e la grupo di yurizita civitani mem plu mikra. En granda moderna stato l'idealo es plu desfacile atingebla. >Ka demokratio pov existar ye tante alta nivelo kam la europana? Evidente demokratio povas existar ye europana nivelo... ma kad ol povas funcionar bone ye ta nivelo? To es la questiono. Ico es ya experimento: me savas pri nula lando plu granda kam Britania ube demokratio funcionabas bone. Ed esas plusa problemo mem plu grava kam la grandeso dil UE: existas nula komuna linguo en Europa! Ico neposibligas vera debato inter diversa parti di la kontinento. To explikas la desintereso che la Komisitaro pri interlinguo quale Ido. Li volas mantenar la separo inter europani ed impedar debato pri la direcioni di la superstato. >Ka demokratio pov existar sen parlamentismo? Ka demokratio pov existar sub >kapitalismo? Ka libera merkato e demokratio es konciliebla enti? Ed c., ed >c. E me ne havas respondi a tala questioni. Ma me sequas via diskuti kun >intereso... En Usa on parolas plu ofte pri "merkato-demokratio". To es, la koncepti di libera demokratio es libera merkati ne es distingata. Ma merkato-demokratio ne es demokratio, quale socialismo ne es demokratio. Demokratio es su-guverno: la homi ipsa devas decidar inter socialismo e libera merkati, o ula kompromiso inter ici. La termini "merkato-demokratio" e "socialdemokratio" es vere konfundiva: existas nur socialismo, kapitalismo e demokratio; omna tri es distinta koncepti. Kordiale, James Chandler idojc@hotmail.com http://www.geocities.com/idojc - IALs index http://www.geocities.com/idojc/yindex.html - Ido index http://groups.yahoo.com/group/idolisto - Idolisto home "Indeed, I think that people want peace so much that one of these days governments had better get out of their way and let them have it." - Dwight D. Eisenhower _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 7690 Return-Path: X-Sender: idojc@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_3_0); 2 Jan 2003 14:24:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 29829 invoked from network); 2 Jan 2003 14:24:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jan 2003 14:24:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.17.134) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jan 2003 14:24:53 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 2 Jan 2003 06:18:16 -0800 Received: from 195.166.69.187 by lw11fd.law11.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 02 Jan 2003 14:18:15 GMT To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: [ido] la europana centrala bano Date: Thu, 02 Jan 2003 14:18:15 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Jan 2003 14:18:16.0248 (UTC) FILETIME=[CABCDB80:01C2B269] From: "James Chandler" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=24528831 X-Yahoo-Profile: idojc Me skribis: >Nature la tasko central banko es direktar pekunio ye maniero stabila e Nature la tasko di central banko ... 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