From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 11 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 6769 invoked by uid 7770); 20 Mar 1999 14:12:37 -0000 Received: from mout00.kundenserver.de (195.20.224.69) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 20 Mar 1999 14:12:37 -0000 Received: from [195.20.224.67] (helo=mx00.kundenserver.de) by mout00.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 10OMUM-0007mJ-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 15:12:34 +0100 Received: from [212.81.170.250] (helo=www) by mx00.kundenserver.de with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 10OMUL-00051L-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 15:12:33 +0100 Message-ID: <003401be72db$93f89a20$91aa51d4@www.fen.baynet.de> From: "Frank Kasper" To: "Idolisto (Mesaji)" Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 15:09:08 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Subject: [ido] Re: Esez bonvenanta en la nova Ido-forumo Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Kara amiki! Kun grandega plezuro me ankorfoye volas informar vi, ke James sucesoze kreis e konfiguris nova Ido-interret-forumo por nia futura vivanta diskuti. Quale lu ipsa saveskis vi, lu ne plus povos administrar nia forumo, por ke lu devos translojar dum la sequanta semano por adminime kelka monati. Regretinde lu ne plus havos direta interret-konektajo. Por impedar la tota falio de nia importanta forumo dum la sequanta du monati lu devis decidar krear nova forumo, ube esas permisata, ke plusa personi administras lo. Ye nia anciena forumo ne esus permisata, ke altra persono ecepte James administras lo. Pro to me ankorfoye pregas via pardono e susteno pro ca neevetita agado. Do, nia nova forumo dum la absenteso de James esos administrata da Hans Stuifbergen e me. Me pensas parolar en via omna nomi, se me ankorfoye kordialege dankas ad James pro lua ecelanta Ido-laboro dum la recenta yari. Me deziras a lu multa sucesi dum lua profesionala laboro e kompreneble anke dum lua privata vivo. Me tre vartos lua retroveno a nia forumo e movemento! Kara amiki! Voluntez aceptar, ke me kam un de la administreri de nia nova Ido-forumo ankorfoye kordialege salutas vi omni en nia nova forumo! Me tre esperas, ke ni omni bonege kunlaboros por difuzar nia kara Ido-linguo e ke duresos la vivanta diskuti de la recenta semani e monati anke per nia nova forumo. Dezirez a ni omni multa sucesi e plezuro en nia nova rondo! Kun la maxim kordiala ed amikala saluti! Frank Kasper frank.kasper@idolinguo.de - webmaster@idolinguo.de Voluntez vizitar anke mea hempagini!- Bonvolu viziti ankaux miajn hejmpagxojn! - Also visit my homepages, please! - Veuillez bien visiter egalement ma page d'accueil! - Bezoeck a.u.b. ook mijn thuis-pagina's! - Por favor, visite tambi�n mis p�ginas personales! - Bitte besuchen Sie auch meine Homepages! http://www.idolinguo.de http://mitglied.tripod.de/Germana_Ido_Societo http://www.online.de/home/Ido-Germania http://www.01019freenet.de/FKasper ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/list/idolisto Free Web-based e-mail groups by eGroups.com From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 12 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 19897 invoked by uid 7770); 20 Mar 1999 14:52:07 -0000 Received: from mout00.kundenserver.de (195.20.224.69) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 20 Mar 1999 14:52:07 -0000 Received: from [195.20.224.67] (helo=mx00.kundenserver.de) by mout00.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 10ON6Z-00033o-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 15:52:03 +0100 Received: from [212.81.171.108] (helo=www) by mx00.kundenserver.de with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 10ON6Y-0005sN-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 15:52:03 +0100 Message-ID: <000601be72e1$17ffca00$6cab51d4@www.fen.baynet.de> From: "Frank Kasper" To: "Idolisto (Mesaji)" Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 15:50:19 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Subject: [ido] Re: Modifikajo de la Hempagino de la Germana Ido-Societo/Chanjo de mea postala adreso Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1251" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Kara amiki! Okazione dil chanjo di nia Ido-forumo me jus anke modifikis la komencpagino de la Germana Ido-Societo ed insertis la dati pri la nova Idolisto. On trovas la pagino ye: http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Forum/2562/index.htm Me pregus omna redakteri de nia revui publikigar la nova listo en la sequanta edituri. Okazione me anke volas informar vi, ke me obtenos postfako en sequanta lundio. Depos ta tempo omna postaji sendota a me automate transsendesos a la postfako. Pro to me pregus vi notar mea nova postfaka-adreso e sendar futura postaji kustumala a me nur ankore a la sequanta adreso: Frank Kasper Postfach 73 01 28 DE- 90243 Nuernberg Germania Me pregos anke sendar l'Ido-revui a ta adreso e publikigar lo en la sequanta numeri kam koresponddeziro!! Me nun deziras a vi agreabla sundio!! Me devos irar a la laboro pos 1,5 hori de nun e lore ne plus povos partoprenar la diskuti dum ca vespero. Kun la maxim kordiala ed amikala saluti! Frank Kasper frank.kasper@idolinguo.de - webmaster@idolinguo.de Voluntez vizitar anke mea hempagini!- Bonvolu viziti ankaux miajn hejmpagxojn! - Also visit my homepages, please! - Veuillez bien visiter egalement ma page d'accueil! - Bezoeck a.u.b. ook mijn thuis-pagina's! - Por favor, visite tambi�n mis p�ginas personales! - Bitte besuchen Sie auch meine Homepages! http://www.idolinguo.de http://mitglied.tripod.de/Germana_Ido_Societo http://www.online.de/home/Ido-Germania http://www.01019freenet.de/FKasper ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/list/idolisto Free Web-based e-mail groups by eGroups.com From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 13 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 26896 invoked by uid 7770); 20 Mar 1999 16:42:28 -0000 Received: from hermes.ex.ac.uk (HELO exeter.ac.uk) (144.173.6.14) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 20 Mar 1999 16:42:28 -0000 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (QAA09350); Sat, 20 Mar 1999 16:42:19 GMT Received: from maths.exeter.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 16:42:18 GMT From: chandler@maths.ex.ac.uk Message-Id: <5993.9903201642@maths.exeter.ac.uk> To: idolisto@egroups.com (Idolisto) Date: Sat, 20 Mar 99 16:42:15 GMT X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL3] Subject: [ido] qu Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kar amiki e kara sro Wood, Fakte en Ido, la digramo "qu" darfas esar pronuncata sive [kw], sive [kv]. On sugestis ante nun karear "u" ed uzar simple "q". Me konkordas ke "u" ne es strikte necesa, ma la digramo "qu" es familiara che angli, franci, germani ed italiani; nur la hispana uzas "cu". Uzar "q" probable igus la linguo kelkete plu facila por neeuropani, kelkete min facila por multa europani; sume ni ne ganus multo per supresar "u". Kordiale, James Chandler. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/list/idolisto Free Web-based e-mail groups by eGroups.com From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 14 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 31447 invoked by uid 7770); 20 Mar 1999 16:53:54 -0000 Received: from hermes.ex.ac.uk (HELO exeter.ac.uk) (144.173.6.14) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 20 Mar 1999 16:53:54 -0000 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (QAA05147); Sat, 20 Mar 1999 16:53:45 GMT Received: from maths.exeter.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 16:53:44 GMT From: chandler@maths.ex.ac.uk Message-Id: <6004.9903201653@maths.exeter.ac.uk> To: idolisto@egroups.com (Idolisto) Date: Sat, 20 Mar 99 16:53:41 GMT X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL3] Subject: [ido] longeso di signaturi Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kar amiki, Quale vi probable ja remarkis, eGroups atachas reklameto a singla mesajo dissendata, por ke la servo esez gratuita a ni. To ne es ideala, ma me ne trovas la reklameti tro jenanta. Tamen pro la plusa texto adjuntata a mesaji, me forte rekomendas ke membri ne uzas longa signaturi. Se vu uzas signaturo, ol ne bezonas (o mem devas) esar plu longa kam 4-6 linei. Ol ne mustas kontenar plura ret-adresi, nam un o du sempre suficas por enduktar homi ad en onua pagini. Kordial predanki pro via koopero, James Chandler. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/list/idolisto Free Web-based e-mail groups by eGroups.com From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 15 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 6476 invoked by uid 7770); 20 Mar 1999 17:13:06 -0000 Received: from hermes.ex.ac.uk (HELO exeter.ac.uk) (144.173.6.14) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 20 Mar 1999 17:13:06 -0000 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (RAA12267); Sat, 20 Mar 1999 17:12:57 GMT Received: from maths.exeter.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 17:12:57 GMT From: chandler@maths.ex.ac.uk Message-Id: <6028.9903201712@maths.exeter.ac.uk> To: idolisto@egroups.com (Idolisto) Date: Sat, 20 Mar 99 17:12:54 GMT X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL3] Subject: [ido] Kosovo Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kar amiki e kara sro Martignon, La nuna situaciono* en Kosovo es ya tre desquietiganta. Recente ye televiziono, britana politikisto (qua es anke experto pri milital historio) expresis l'opiniono ke britana soldati ne devas esar en Kosovo, nam esas nula britana interesti ibe. On protestis ke ibe esas neyusteso e do ni devas helpar; ilua argumento es ke ni simple ne havas suficanta resursi por sendar britana soldati ad omna milital "teatro" en la mondo ube povus existar neyusteso. Quale decidar ube ni devas interferar, ed ube ni devas lasar populi solvar (se posibla) sua propra konflikti? Ica es certe extreme desfacila questiono. Kordiale, James Chandler. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/list/idolisto Free Web-based e-mail groups by eGroups.com From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 16 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 557 invoked by uid 7770); 20 Mar 1999 19:56:39 -0000 Received: from www.minitel.net (HELO gmailint1.globalmail.net) (193.252.91.17) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 20 Mar 1999 19:56:39 -0000 Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 20:56:35 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <199903201956.UAA08666@gmailint1.globalmail.net> From: jeanmartignon@minitel.net (JEAN MARTIGNON) Reply-To: jeanmartignon@minitel.net To: idolisto@egroups.com (IDOLISTO) MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] Kosovo e diversaji Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Kara cibernauti, La situeso en Kosovo esas tre komplexa. Icavespere, me saveskis che televiziono ke ante la unesma mondo-milito, Kosovo eisi Albana e tote ne Serba. Kustumale onu ne informas ni pri ico. Semblas, tamen ke nulu, ecepte la Serbi e la Albana Kosovani, deziras milito e ke onu tandem aceptos neyusteso kontre la Albana Kosovani prefereble kam kombatar. Me saveskis anke ke hodie (ye la 20ma marto) esas la festo-dio dil inter- reto.La Franca jurnalisti uzis por "web" du vorti : la konocata Angla Web e la FrancaToile (Telo). La Franca vorto esis sinonimo ed alternativo al Angla vorto. Ni, forsan, povus imitar mea samlandani e uzar alternative du vorti por l'inter-reto : la Angla vorto e la traduko pure Idala . Kara Frank, ka la Germani koncerne la Telo adoptas senrestrikte la Angla vorti , o ka li probas krear anke Germana vorti ? Me savas ke nunatempe la Germani , segun semblo, ne probas rezistar kontre l'invado di Angla vorti. La sekti nunatempe esas tre ruzoza. Me kelkafoye vizitis vendeyo pri natural e biologial (por la Anglosaxoni organika) produkturi. La posedantino dil vendeyo esis anke "naturopathe" (natur- kuracisto, Germane : Heilpraktiker). Me havis rendevuo kun elu icarelate, ed el preskribis a me tre valida medikamenti. Nur un nomizita Vitafon II esis obtenebla nulaloke . El dicis lore a me irar a lua vendeyo e ke el povis vendar ica medikamento a me. Ma ante agar lo, me havis la fortunolektar budhista revuo en qua esis reklamo por ica produkturo qua asertis ke perol, onu povas unionar kun Deo e la Kosmo !!! Ito nule relatis kun medicino e kuraco quale el dicabis a me. Me do, ne plus iras ad ica vendeyo, ma me ne imaginis ke la sekti povas havar tanta ruzaji, mem por homi qui ne serchas religio. Nulatempe antee, me pensabus ke onu devas esar tante prudenta e ke la sekti esas tante danjeroza quale aranei qui texas omnube sua telo. Forsan, anke uladie hike che la Telo, ni havos ruzoza invito di sekto. Kun kordiala ciberspacala saluti. jeanmartignon@minitel.net ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/list/idolisto Free Web-based e-mail groups by eGroups.com From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 17 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 8254 invoked by uid 7770); 20 Mar 1999 20:17:47 -0000 Received: from mail2.deltanet.com (199.171.190.56) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 20 Mar 1999 20:17:47 -0000 Received: from ts012d32.lax-ca.concentric.net (ts012d32.lax-ca.concentric.net [206.173.241.92]) by mail2.deltanet.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id MAA04725; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 12:17:41 -0800 (PST) From: zeno@deltanet.com (Zeno) To: idolisto@egroups.com Cc: idol@maths.ex.ac.uk Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 20:16:45 GMT Message-ID: <3702021c.85037329@smtp.deltanet.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] [Usenet 1] Quon esas Usenet? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable QUON ESAS USENET? Usenet esas sistemo komunikala qua kovras la tota mondo.= Ol konsistis ek "nuizogrupi" qua klasifikesas hierarkiale ye subjekto. "= Artikli", "mesaji", od "afishi" afishigesas ad ica nuizogrupi per homi qua = uzas komputori qua havas la apta molvaro. Normale on uzas nuizolektilo por= sendar e recevar artikli ye Usenet, ma cadie on anke povas uzar regardilo = kun nuizoservilo quale Dejanews ( http://www.dejanews.com/ ). Kande on sen= das artiklo (mesajo, afisho) ad Usenet, la artiklo dissemesas ad altra inte= rkonektita sistemo komputorala per diversa kolekturo di retolabori. Kelka = grupi esas "moderita"; en ica nuizogrupi, artikli unesme sendesas a moderis= to por aprobo ante ke li aparas en la nuizogrupo. Usenet-grupo esas tre si= mila a mesajo-tabeli quale Idolisto en ttt-eyo. Fakte, la mesajo-tabeli di= ttt-eyo esas probo kopiar la funcioneso di Usenet. Ma Usenet kreesis nur = por mesajo-tabeli, e facas la laborado plu bone. Kande on uzas ttt-eyo qua= le mesajo-tabelo, co esas simila a uzar extensofolio por skribar letro. La = extensofolio esas plu povoza kam vortoprocedigilo, ma la vortoprocedigilo e= sas plu bona por skribar letro. Cadie, existas proxime 31.000 nuizogrupi y= e Usenet. La strukturo hierarkiala helpas homi trovar nuizogrupi. Yen exe= mplo di kelka Usenet grupi: alt.culture.armenian alt.culture.bullfight alt= .culture.cajun alt.culture.crete alt.culture.crimea alt.culture.egyptian al= t.culture.macedonia alt.culture.macedonia.moderated alt.culture.net-viking = alt.culture.turkish alt.culture.turkish.azerbaijan alt.culture.turkish.cypr= us alt.culture.underwear alt.culture.us.1960s alt.culture.us.1970s alt.cult= ure.usenet alt.esperanto alt.esperanto.amuzo.varia alt.esperanto.beginner a= lt.esperanto.komencanto alt.esperanto.komencanto.nacilingve alt.esperanto.k= omp.varia alt.esperanto.sekso.varia alt.language.artificial alt.language.ar= tificial.ngl alt.language.ebonics alt.language.english.old-english alt.lang= uage.english.spelling.reform alt.language.spanish alt.language.tanji alt.la= nguage.urdu alt.language.urdu.poetry alt.soc.culture.syria.seven.headed.dra= gon alt.soc.ethics sci.lang sci.lang.cognitive sci.lang.etymology sci.lang.= japan sci.lang.jargon sci.lang.syntax sci.lang.taxonomy sci.lang.translatio= n soc.culture.czecho-slovak soc.culture.egyption soc.culture.esperanto soc.= culture.europe soc.culture.french soc.culture.india La metodo on uzas por = krear nova grupi semblus stranja, se on ne komprenas en quamanieron Usenet = funcionas. Usenet ne esas un plaso, loko, organizuro. Usenet esas simila = a la interreto, ol esas kolektajo di retolabori, e ne existas chefa plaso q= ua guvernas ol. On povas krear grupi sen votado en la "alt." hierarkio, ma= ne en la "granda ok". La granda ok konsistas ek la sequanta hierarkii: c= omp., humanities., misc., news., rec., sci., soc., talk. Me skribos altra= mesajo qua explikos pro quo ni deziros havar grupi Idala en granda ok, ed = altra mesajo qua explikos en quamaniero ni povas obtenar la voti necesa. -= Zeno Vorti: afisho =3D post eposto =3D email eposto ekiranta =3D outgoin= g email eposto envenanta =3D incoming email extensofolio =3D spreadsheet (p= rogram) interreto =3D internet interreto-servo-provizisto =3D ISP =3D inter= net service provider listo-servilo =3D list server mesajo kontrolala =3D co= ntrol message mesajo-tabelo =3D message board molvaro =3D software nuizogru= po =3D newsgroup nuizolektilo =3D newsreader nuizoservilo =3D news server r= egardilo =3D web browser retolaboro =3D network ttt-eyo =3D www vortoproced= igilo =3D word processor ------------------------------------------------= ------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/list/idolisto = Free Web-based e-mail groups by eGroups.com From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 18 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 9413 invoked by uid 7770); 20 Mar 1999 20:20:46 -0000 Received: from mail2.deltanet.com (199.171.190.56) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 20 Mar 1999 20:20:46 -0000 Received: from ts012d32.lax-ca.concentric.net (ts012d32.lax-ca.concentric.net [206.173.241.92]) by mail2.deltanet.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id MAA05451; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 12:20:39 -0800 (PST) From: zeno@deltanet.com (Zeno) To: idolisto@egroups.com Cc: idol@maths.ex.ac.uk Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 20:19:43 GMT Message-ID: <370302d9.85227057@smtp.deltanet.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] [Usenet 2] Pro quo Ido devas havar Usenet-grupi? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable PRO QUO IDO DEVAS HAVAR USENET-GRUPI? POR KE IDO SEMBLEZ PLU OFICALA, ESTA= BLISITA Multa nova uzeri di la interreto opinionas ke ttt-eyo esas interre= to. Multa homi qua uzis interreto dum multa yari opinionas ke Usenet esas i= nterreto. Amba di ca opinioni esas nevera. Kelka yari ante nun, me decidi= s lernar altra linguo. Me decidis ke me lernus linguo konstruktita. Kande= me serchis por linguo, me trovis nur un qua esas en Usenet, Esperanto. Me= kompris poka libri e komencis afishigar mesaji en la Usenet-grupi Esperant= ala. Ma me ne prizis (e me ne povis dicar) la "-ojn" ye la fino di multa v= orti. Pro ca ed altra kauzi, me cesis lernar Esperanto, e do me cesis lerna= r irga linguo. Pro quo me ne selektis altra linguo de ttt-eyo? Pro ke, se= la lingui ne esas suficante importanta esar en Usenet, lore li ne esas suf= icante importanta por lernar. Tre multa homi opinionas en ica maniero. Se= linguo ne esas en Usenet, lore ol ne esas suficante importanta od establis= ita por uzar. Pro quo? Pro ke Usenet esas ube homi parolas kun altra homi= en forumi publika. Homi uzas eposto por mesaji privata, Usenet por mesaji= publika, e ttt-eyo por trovar informaji. Se linguo ne uzesas ye Usenet (q= ua esas ube homi parolas kun l'una l'altra), lore la linguo ne uzesas tre m= ulte. POR KE IDO POVEZ ATINGAR PLU GRANDA AUDANTARO Anke, existas kelka h= omi qua ganas la interreto per lia skoli. Li ne havas epost-adreso privata= . Kelka skoli ne havas komputori moderna, e li ne havas la nova reto-regar= dili. La homi de ca skoli povas vidar la interreto nur per Usenet, e forsa= n regardilo textala. Li ne povas vidar Idolisto e grupi simila. Se Ido es= as en Usenet, lore ca homi povos vidar ol. Anke, sama-maniere kam ke Usene= t ne esas interreto, interreto ne esas Usenet. Usenet anke inkluzas retola= bori qua ne esas parto di interreto. Mesaji de Usenet sendesas ye ica reto= labori, ed ica retolabori sendas lia mesaji ye interreto. To quon ica sign= ifikas, esas ke homi qua ne havas eposto od aceso interretala, forsan nur a= ceso a mesajo-tabelo lokala, povas recevar e sendar mesaji per Usenet. LA = PREZENTESO INTERRETALA DI IDO DIVENOS PLU STABILA Kande la mesajo-tabeli d= i Ido esas en ttt-eyo, la mesajo-tabeli ne esas stabila. Se la listo-servi= lo desaparus, lore la listo desaparos. Quale ni vidis tre recente, kande la= administristo desaparas, lore la listo desaparas. Se la Idala mesajo-tabe= li esas en Usenet, li divenos tre plu stabila, ed existos sen esas dependan= ta ad un situo ttt-eyala o un persono (o poka personi). - Zeno Vorti: af= isho =3D post eposto =3D email eposto ekiranta =3D outgoing email eposto en= venanta =3D incoming email extensofolio =3D spreadsheet (program) interreto= =3D internet interreto-servo-provizisto =3D ISP =3D internet service provi= der listo-servilo =3D list server mesajo kontrolala =3D control message mes= ajo-tabelo =3D message board molvaro =3D software nuizogrupo =3D newsgroup = nuizolektilo =3D newsreader nuizoservilo =3D news server regardilo =3D web = browser retolaboro =3D network ttt-eyo =3D www vortoprocedigilo =3D word pr= ocessor -----------------------------------------------------------------= ------- eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/list/idolisto Free Web-based e-= mail groups by eGroups.com From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 19 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 9745 invoked by uid 7770); 20 Mar 1999 20:21:47 -0000 Received: from mail2.deltanet.com (199.171.190.56) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 20 Mar 1999 20:21:47 -0000 Received: from ts012d32.lax-ca.concentric.net (ts012d32.lax-ca.concentric.net [206.173.241.92]) by mail2.deltanet.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id MAA05679; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 12:21:41 -0800 (PST) From: zeno@deltanet.com (Zeno) To: idolisto@egroups.com Cc: idol@maths.ex.ac.uk Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 20:20:45 GMT Message-ID: <37040315.85286320@smtp.deltanet.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] [Usenet 3] Quamaniere on povas lektar Usenet grupi? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable QUAMANIERE ON POVAS LEKTAR USENET-GRUPI? Unesme, on mustas havar aceso ye = Usenet-servilo. Maxim multa interreto-servo-provizisti (ISPi) en Usa (me o= pinionas omna ISPi en Usa), ofras Usenet-servilo kun omna konti. On devas = questionar onua ISP por verifikar ke lu ofras servo Usenet-a. Se onua ISP = ne havas Usenet, on povas vidar Usenet-grupi per abonar ad altra Usenet-ser= vilo. Kelka servili esas senpaga (videz http://dir.yahoo.com/Computers_and= _Internet/Internet/Usenet/Public_Access_Usenet_Sites/ ), ed on abonas ad al= tra (videz http://dir.yahoo.com/Business_and_Economy/Companies/Internet_Ser= vices/Usenet_Servers/Commercial/ ). Anke, on povas lektar e serchar Usenet= per servilo ttt-eyala quale DejaNews (videz http://www.dejanews.com/ ). S= e onua ISP havas Usenet, od on abonas ad altra Usenet-servilo, lore on bezo= nas nuizolektilo. Se on uzas MS Windows, me opinionas ke Forte Agent esas = la maxim bona nuizolektilo (ma certe, altru opinionas diferante). Se on ne= volas pagar por la molvaro, lore forsan altra nuizolektilo esus plu bona k= am Free Agent. La maxim bona situo pri senpagovaro e partovaro esas TUCOWS= (videz http://www.tucows.com/ ). On devas obtenar nuizolektilo forlinea. = En nuizolektilo esas selekto ube on pozas la adreso di la servilo. Exemple= , por mea ISP, me havas la sequanta: Nuizoservilo: news.concentric.net Epo= sto envenanta: pop.deltanet.com Eposto ekiranta: smtp.deltanet.com Rimemor= ez, se on ne deziras la povo de nuizolektilo, lore on povas simple irar ad = http://www.dejanews.com/ . - Zeno Vorti: afisho =3D post eposto =3D emai= l eposto ekiranta =3D outgoing email eposto envenanta =3D incoming email ex= tensofolio =3D spreadsheet (program) interreto =3D internet interreto-servo= -provizisto =3D ISP =3D internet servicee provider listo-servilo =3D list se= rver mesajo kontrolala =3D control message mesajo-tabelo =3D message board = molvaro =3D software nuizogrupo =3D newsgroup nuizolektilo =3D newsreader n= uizolektilo forlinea =3D offline newsreader nuizoservilo =3D news server pa= rtovaro =3D shareware regardilo =3D web browser retolaboro =3D network senp= agovaro =3D freeware ttt-eyo =3D www vortoprocedigilo =3D word processor = ------------------------------------------------------------------------- eG= roup home: http://www.eGroups.com/list/idolisto Free Web-based e-mail group= s by eGroups.com From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 20 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 10177 invoked by uid 7770); 20 Mar 1999 20:23:02 -0000 Received: from mail2.deltanet.com (199.171.190.56) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 20 Mar 1999 20:23:02 -0000 Received: from ts012d32.lax-ca.concentric.net (ts012d32.lax-ca.concentric.net [206.173.241.92]) by mail2.deltanet.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id MAA05999; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 12:22:56 -0800 (PST) From: zeno@deltanet.com (Zeno) To: idolisto@egroups.com Cc: idol@maths.ex.ac.uk Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 20:22:00 GMT Message-ID: <3705034e.85344072@smtp.deltanet.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] [Usenet 4] Quamaniere ni povas pozar Ido ye Usenet? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable QUAMANIERE NI POVAS POZAR IDO YE USENET? Por krear nova grupo ye la hierar= kio "alt.", on sendas mesajo a grupo specifika, to ube diskuto sequos qua d= uras proxime un semano. Lore, on sendas "mesajo kontrolala" ye altra grupi= specifika. Un persono ne povas kontrolar Usenet, la mesajo kontrolala not= ifikos la administristi di situi Usenet-a ke existas nova grupo, to quon la= grupo koncernas, edc. Un persono qua komprenas Usenet devas sendor omna d= i ca mesaji, pro ke se ol facis erore, lore la grupi ne aceptesos nun od en= la futuro. Me sendos ica mesaji, pos ke ni havas diskuti pri la grupi en = Idolisto. Por krear nova grupo ye la hierarkii granda-okala, la procedo es= as plu komplikita, ma co ne esas neposibla por Ido. Rimemorez, la granda o= k esas la sequanta hierarkii: : comp., humanities., misc., news., rec., sc= i., soc., talk. Esar en la granda ok esas bonega, pro ke kelka skoli ne p= ermisas ke studanti vidar la alt-hierarkio (la alt-hierarkio esas tre grand= ega, e kontenas tre multega pornografio e grupi sensencala). Tamen, multa = homi qua opinionas ke li ne povas lektar la alt-hierarkio eroras. Maxim mu= lta skoli ed altra organizuri donos a li grupi ek la alt-hierarkio se perso= no demandas la grupi, la adminitristi simple ne volas aceptar omna di la al= t-hierarkio (administristo probable ne donos a vu alt.binaries.pictures.ero= tica.lolita od alt.cows.are.nice). Me ne explikos hike la tota procedo por= krear nuizogrupo ye la granda ok, ma me dicos a vi ke la procedo duras adm= inime tri monati, e me explikos la voti. On ne povas krear grupo en la gra= nda ok sen votado. On mustas havar 100 yes-voti plu kam no-voti, e la yes-v= oti mustas esar 2/3 ek la tota voti. Ico signifikas la sequanta: se la g= rupo recevas 0 no-voti, lore ol mustas recevar 100 yes-voti; se la grupo r= ecevas 50 no-voti, lore ol mustas recevar 100 yes-voti; se la grupo receva= s 100 no-voti, lore ol mustas recevar 300 yes-voti; se la grupo recevas 15= 0 no-voti, lore ol mustas recevar 450 yes-voti; edc. Kande on esforcas kr= ear nova grupo, membri di altra grupi kombatos la nova grupo. Uzeri di alt= ra lingui konstruktita votos kontre grupo Idala, ed altra homi qua esforcas= kontrolar Usenet votos kontre nova grupo. Exemple, se ni deziras krear la= grupo "sci.lang.ido", lore ni recevos no-voti de homi en "sci.lang", pro k= e li deziras ke la mesaji afishigesus a "sci.lang", e li ne deziras granda = sci.lang-hierarkio. Ma existas metodi ganar voti yusta de homi qua ne esas= Idisti, e me explikos ica metodi en afisho futura. - Zeno Vorti: afisho= =3D post eposto =3D email eposto ekiranta =3D outgoing email eposto envena= nta =3D incoming email extensofolio =3D spreadsheet (program) interreto =3D= internet interreto-servo-provizisto =3D ISP =3D internet service provider = listo-servilo =3D list server mesajo kontrolala =3D control message mesajo-= tabelo =3D message board molvaro =3D software nuizogrupo =3D newsgroup nuiz= olektilo =3D newsreader nuizoservilo =3D news server regardilo =3D web brow= ser retolaboro =3D network ttt-eyo =3D www vortoprocedigilo =3D word proces= sor ---------------------------------------------------------------------= --- eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/list/idolisto Free Web-based e-mail= groups by eGroups.com From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 21 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 12172 invoked by uid 7770); 20 Mar 1999 20:27:43 -0000 Received: from mail2.deltanet.com (199.171.190.56) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 20 Mar 1999 20:27:43 -0000 Received: from ts012d32.lax-ca.concentric.net (ts012d32.lax-ca.concentric.net [206.173.241.92]) by mail2.deltanet.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id MAA07843; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 12:27:36 -0800 (PST) From: zeno@deltanet.com (Zeno) To: idolisto@egroups.com Cc: idol@maths.ex.ac.uk Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 20:26:40 GMT Message-ID: <3706038d.85406199@smtp.deltanet.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] [Usenet 5] Quin ni esas facanta por krear grupi Usenet-a? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable QUIN NE ESAS FACANTA POR KREAR GRUPI USENET-A? Nune, me esas diskutanta ku= n kelka di la chefa administristi Usenet-a pri la posibleso di nuizogrupo I= dala en la granda ok sen 100 voti. Tamen, ico ne semblas esar posibla, ma e= xistas metodi por ganar plu multa yes-voti por Ido. Fakte, me havas sugest= o qua chanjos no-voti aden yes-voti, ma me ne volas diskutar ico nun. Me k= reis charti por nova nuizogrupi Idala en la alt-hierarkio, e me esas skriba= nta FAQ-i. Me sendos la FAQ-i ad Idolisto ante ke me oficaligos li. Me es= is questiononta ad Idolisto pri la kreeso di nuizogrupi Idala en la granda = ok, ma ni subite havas tre gravega problemo. Sen averto, Idolisto movis! = La movo subita di Idolisto qua esas sen averto efektigas ke ni ne havos his= torio di la nombri di mesaji qua afishigis ad Idolisto, ed ica historio esi= s tre importanta pri la kreeso di nuizogrupo en la granda ok (mem pri nuizo= grupi en la alt-hierarkio). Anke, omna ligaji ye la interreto ad Idolisto = nun esos ruptita. Ni perdos la historio, e ni perdos la yes-voti de homi q= ua nur kelkafoye lektas Idolisto ma ne abonas ad Idolisto. Usenet esas tre= gravega parto di la kreskajo di Ido, ed ica movo subita probable efektigas= ke la prezenteso di Ido ye la granda ok di Usenet ajornesos dum kelka mona= ti. Ica movo esas mem plu regretinda pro ke me esas certa ke existas metod= o chanjar la administrajo di IDOL. Mem se existas regulo qua dicas ke on n= e povas, me opinionas ke la administristi di FindMail chanjus la nomo di la= administristo se li komprenis pri nia problemi, e li savis ke li perdus la= listo. La reguli pri kozi quale mesajo-tabeli enretala ne skribesas en pe= tro. Tamen, quankam ni havas nun min chanco pri ganar nuizogrupo, me opini= onas ke ni devas ankore esforcar krear grupo ye la alt-hierarkio. Me duros = laborar pri ca skopo. - Zeno Vorti: afisho =3D post eposto =3D email epo= sto ekiranta =3D outgoing email eposto envenanta =3D incoming email extenso= folio =3D spreadsheet (program) interreto =3D internet interreto-servo-prov= izisto =3D ISP =3D internet service provider listo-servilo =3D list server = mesajo kontrolala =3D control message mesajo-tabelo =3D message board molva= ro =3D software nuizogrupo =3D newsgroup nuizolektilo =3D newsreader nuizos= ervilo =3D news server regardilo =3D web browser retolaboro =3D network ttt= -eyo =3D www vortoprocedigilo =3D word processor ------------------------= ------------------------------------------------- eGroup home: http://www.eG= roups.com/list/idolisto Free Web-based e-mail groups by eGroups.com From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 22 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 13466 invoked by uid 7770); 20 Mar 1999 20:30:22 -0000 Received: from mail2.deltanet.com (199.171.190.56) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 20 Mar 1999 20:30:22 -0000 Received: from ts012d32.lax-ca.concentric.net (ts012d32.lax-ca.concentric.net [206.173.241.92]) by mail2.deltanet.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id MAA08916; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 12:30:16 -0800 (PST) From: zeno@deltanet.com (Zeno) To: idolisto@egroups.com Cc: idol@maths.ex.ac.uk Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 20:29:20 GMT Message-ID: <370704c8.85721976@smtp.deltanet.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] [Usenet 6] Rezumo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable REZUMO Usenet esas tre importanta parto di interreto, ed existis tre longe= ante ttt-eyo. On devas uzar eposto por mesaji privata, Usenet por mesaji = publika, e ttt-eyo por trovar informaji. Ido devas esar en Usenet, pro ke = Ido semblus plu oficala, establisita a homi. La chefa mesajo-tabeli Idala = devas esar en Usenet, pro ke Usenet esas plu stabila kam la mesajo-tabeli d= i ttt-eyo, e pro ke la mesaji Usenet-a sendesas a plu multa retolabori e le= ktesas da plu multa homi qua ne havas aceso interretala. Irgu qua havas ac= eso interretala od mesajo-tabelo lokala qua povas reflektar mesaji Usenet-a= povas lektar Usenet. On povas uzar multa speci di molvaro por lektar Usen= et, inkluzante onua retoregardilo. Me esas nune laboranta por krear grupi = Useneta. La movo di Idolisto esas problemo, e ajornos la difuzado di Ido p= er Usenet, ma ne esas la fino di la mondo. Ka vi havas irga questioni? - = Zeno Vorti: afisho =3D post eposto =3D email eposto ekiranta =3D outgoing= email eposto envenanta =3D incoming email extensofolio =3D spreadsheet (pr= ogram) interreto =3D internet interreto-servo-provizisto =3D ISP =3D intern= et service provider listo-servilo =3D list server mesajo kontrolala =3D con= trol message mesajo-tabelo =3D message board molvaro =3D software nuizogrup= o =3D newsgroup nuizolektilo =3D newsreader nuizoservilo =3D news server re= gardilo =3D web browser retolaboro =3D network ttt-eyo =3D www vortoprocedi= gilo =3D word processor -----------------------------------------------= ------------------------- eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/list/idolisto= Free Web-based e-mail groups by eGroups.com From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 23 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 22402 invoked by uid 7770); 20 Mar 1999 20:55:56 -0000 Received: from m8.egroups.com (HELO findmail.com) (207.138.41.154) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 20 Mar 1999 20:55:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 29634 invoked by uid 505); 20 Mar 1999 20:55:54 -0000 Date: 20 Mar 1999 20:55:54 -0000 Message-ID: <19990320205554.29633.qmail@findmail.com> From: zeno@deltanet.com To: idolisto@egroups.com Subject: [ido] RSVP: Krear Usenet-grupi Idala Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Me sendis mesaji ad Idolisto, ta qua explikis Usenet. Voluntez lektar ica mesaji (o nur numero 6), e respondez ad ica questiono: Ka ni devas krear Usenet-grupi Idala? ---- Please select one of the following: o Yes o Ne by going to the following Web form: http://www.egroups.com/vote?id=921963353662 Thank you! ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/list/idolisto Free Web-based e-mail groups by eGroups.com From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 24 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 32181 invoked by uid 7770); 20 Mar 1999 21:20:11 -0000 Received: from www0p.netaddress.usa.net (204.68.24.45) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 20 Mar 1999 21:20:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 10419 invoked by uid 60001); 20 Mar 1999 21:20:08 -0000 Message-ID: <19990320212008.10418.qmail@www0p.netaddress.usa.net> Received: from 204.68.24.45 by www0p via web-mailer(M3.0.0.20) on Sat Mar 20 21:20:08 GMT 1999 Date: 20 Mar 99 16:20:08 EST From: Jim Bradwell To: idolisto@egroups.com X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (M3.0.0.20) Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] Adio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Kara omni, Malgre ke me prizas multe l'Ido, certe plu kam l'Esperanto (mal= gre ke me kredas ke Novial es la maxim bono, malgre ke ol anke havas proble= mi), me ne povas lektar omna la mesaji quan ca listo produktas omnadie. Pro= co me regretinde mustas desabonar ica listo. Me dankas vi pro omna via hel= po. Adio. Kun multa regreto, Jim Bradwell P.S. Kara Sioro Stuifbergen, me= prizis la du Ido-revui quan vu sendis a me. Li esis tre interesanta. Itere= , me dankas vu pro omno. -------------------------------------------------= ----------------------- eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/list/idolisto F= ree Web-based e-mail groups by eGroups.com From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 25 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 2502 invoked by uid 7770); 20 Mar 1999 21:29:09 -0000 Received: from www0u.netaddress.usa.net (204.68.24.50) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 20 Mar 1999 21:29:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 18664 invoked by uid 60001); 20 Mar 1999 21:29:06 -0000 Message-ID: <19990320212906.18663.qmail@www0u.netaddress.usa.net> Received: from 204.68.24.50 by www0u via web-mailer(M3.0.0.20) on Sat Mar 20 21:29:06 GMT 1999 Date: 20 Mar 99 16:29:06 EST From: Jim Bradwell To: idolisto@egroups.com X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (M3.0.0.20) Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] P.P.S. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Se vi kreos Usenet-grupi pri Ido, voluntez dicar ica a me. Adio! --------= ----------------------------------------------------------------- eGroup hom= e: http://www.eGroups.com/list/idolisto Free Web-based e-mail groups by eGr= oups.com From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 26 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 12471 invoked by uid 7770); 20 Mar 1999 21:59:28 -0000 Received: from f1.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (207.82.250.12) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 20 Mar 1999 21:59:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 5289 invoked by uid 0); 20 Mar 1999 21:58:42 -0000 Message-ID: <19990320215842.5288.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 206.167.80.240 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 13:58:17 PST From: "Martin Lavallee" To: zeno@deltanet.com Cc: idolisto@egroups.com Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 13:58:17 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] RSVP: Krear Usenet-grupi Idala Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Me lektis la tre interesiva mesaji da Zeno e sustenos ilua laboro segun quante me povos. Ka ni devas krear Usenet-grupi Idala? o Yes Maxim amike vin salutas, Martin Lavalle'e http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/8009/idolinguo.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/list/idolisto Free Web-based e-mail groups by eGroups.com From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 28 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 24052 invoked by uid 7770); 20 Mar 1999 22:33:36 -0000 Received: from hermes.ex.ac.uk (HELO exeter.ac.uk) (144.173.6.14) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 20 Mar 1999 22:33:36 -0000 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (WAA08734); Sat, 20 Mar 1999 22:33:27 GMT Received: from maths.exeter.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 22:33:26 GMT From: chandler@maths.ex.ac.uk Message-Id: <6254.9903202233@maths.exeter.ac.uk> To: idolisto@egroups.com (Idolisto) Date: Sat, 20 Mar 99 22:33:22 GMT X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL3] Subject: [ido] j. bol; Usenet Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kar amiki, Multe plezas me recevar itere mesajo de sro Bol. Me komprenas ke il es tre okupata pri Progreso, e me dankas il pro lua komenti pri recenta temi che Idol/Idolisto. Il facas kelka grava punti, ma regretinde me ne havas tempo respondar ad oli nun; me esforcos dum la monati di mea absenteso de la reto, skribar mea opinioni pri diversa temi por nia revui. Pri Usenet, me sincere salutas Zeno ad altri qui inquestas pri la posibleso establisar novajgrupo por Ido. Tamen semblas esar kelka egardenda desfacilesi pri establisar grupo, e me komprenus, nun, se altri exter nia movemento* opinionus ke ni bezonas plu multa tempo che postolisto ante movar a Usenet. Ma l'ideo es tre interesanta, e forsan en la proxima futuro tala developo eventos - ni esez pacienta! Kordiale, James Chandler. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/list/idolisto Free Web-based e-mail groups by eGroups.com From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 29 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 24689 invoked by uid 7770); 20 Mar 1999 22:35:46 -0000 Received: from mail2.deltanet.com (199.171.190.56) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 20 Mar 1999 22:35:46 -0000 Received: from ts012d32.lax-ca.concentric.net (ts012d32.lax-ca.concentric.net [206.173.241.92]) by mail2.deltanet.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id OAA08016 for ; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 14:35:34 -0800 (PST) From: zeno@deltanet.com (Zeno) To: idolisto@egroups.com Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 22:34:34 GMT Message-ID: <370920a3.92854065@smtp.deltanet.com> References: <19990320205554.29633.qmail@findmail.com> In-Reply-To: <19990320205554.29633.qmail@findmail.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] Re: RSVP: Krear Usenet-grupi Idala Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Idolistani: Voluntez irar a la retosituo qua esas en la mesajo ... htt= p://www.egroups.com/vote?id=3D921963353662 ... e votez ibe. Lore on povas= irar a ... http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ ... , klikitar ye "P= olls", e vidas la rezultaji di la votado. Danko, Zeno ---------------= ---------------------------------------------------------- eGroup home: http= ://www.eGroups.com/list/idolisto Free Web-based e-mail groups by eGroups.co= m From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 30 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 9505 invoked by uid 7770); 20 Mar 1999 23:23:36 -0000 Received: from mail2.deltanet.com (199.171.190.56) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 20 Mar 1999 23:23:36 -0000 Received: from ts012d32.lax-ca.concentric.net (ts012d32.lax-ca.concentric.net [206.173.241.92]) by mail2.deltanet.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id PAA18535 for ; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 15:23:31 -0800 (PST) From: zeno@deltanet.com (Zeno) To: idolisto@egroups.com (Idolisto) Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 23:22:33 GMT Message-ID: <370a2c57.95850502@smtp.deltanet.com> References: <6254.9903202233@maths.exeter.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <6254.9903202233@maths.exeter.ac.uk> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] j. bol; Usenet Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ye saturdio, 20-ma marto 1999, James Chandler skribis: >Pri Usenet, me sin= cere salutas Zeno ad altri qui inquestas pri la >posibleso establisar novaj= grupo por Ido. Tamen semblas esar kelka >egardenda desfacilesi pri establi= sar grupo, e me komprenus, nun, se >altri exter nia movemento* opinionus ke= ni bezonas plu multa tempo >che postolisto ante movar a Usenet. Ma l'ideo= es tre interesanta, e >forsan en la proxima futuro tala developo eventos -= ni esez >pacienta! Ni vartas plu multa kam 90 yari. Ma se vu ne opiniona= s ke Ido esas suficante preparita por esar en Usenet, voluntez irar ad: = http://www.egroups.com/vote?id=3D921963353662 por votar. Danko. - Zeno = ------------------------------------------------------------------------ e= Group home: http://www.eGroups.com/list/idolisto Free Web-based e-mail grou= ps by eGroups.com From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 31 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 25910 invoked by uid 7770); 21 Mar 1999 10:51:48 -0000 Received: from www.minitel.net (HELO gmailint2.globalmail.net) (193.252.91.18) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 21 Mar 1999 10:51:48 -0000 Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 11:51:40 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <199903211051.LAA04585@gmailint2.globalmail.net> From: jeanmartignon@minitel.net (JEAN MARTIGNON) Reply-To: jeanmartignon@minitel.net (JEAN MARTIGNON) To: idolisto@egroups.com (IDOLISTO) MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] [Fwd: Voci Budhista] Content-Type: message/rfc822; Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: jeanmartignon@minitel.net (JEAN MARTIGNON) Reply-To: jeanmartignon@minitel.net Received: from localhost; Sun, 21 Mar 1999 11:06:48 +0100 Message-Id: <19990321110648@minitel.net> To: idolisto@egroups.com (IDOLISTO) Errors-To: jeanmartignon@minitel.net Subject: Voci Budhista X-MinitelNet: LU MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Kara cibernauti, Icamatine, me spektis che televiziono le sendo : "Voix Bouddhistes" (Voci Budhista). En ica sendo budhista autoro naracis la tre famoza parabolo budhista en qua homo qua esas grave vundita ye batalio, volas savar per quala flecho il esis vundita, en quala ligno esas la flecho e qua facis olu en quala cirkonstanci edc.Lore la Budho dicas : "Oportas ante omno kuracar e risanigar la vundito, se on vartus la respondo ad omna ica questioni,ante flegar, lore la homo mortus senhelpe." Ito pensigas me pri la mento-stando di mult Idisti qui volas diskutar e reformar la linguo ante agar ed uzar olu. Tale nia movemento ne povas difuzesar. Altralatere venas a me ideo en la mento. Me esas budhisto e me deziras uzar la linguo quale ol esas, same kam mea samreligiano s-ro Neussner. Martin Lavallee anke havas religio ye qua il kredas e samene esas reformema. Me opinioneskas ke por mult Idisti qui ne havas solida religiala bazo, Ido esas religio-surogato eden la realeso, certe subkoncie, la linguala diskuti esas teologiala diskuti e quereli. Kompreneble, ito esas nur proximajo, nam esas homi qui ne havas religio e povas ne esar reformema ed homi qui havas fervoroza religiala kredo e volas chanji; ma me pensas, ke rustike dicite edentote, ico es la vereso. Kun kordiala ciberspacala saluti. jeanmartignon@minitel.net From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 33 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 2077 invoked by uid 7770); 21 Mar 1999 17:10:45 -0000 Received: from dipobox.sis.it (193.70.16.1) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 21 Mar 1999 17:10:45 -0000 Received: from lizard [193.70.17.11] with smtp by dipobox.sis.it with smtp (Smail-3.2.0.101 1997-Dec-17 #8 #8) id m10Olka-0008wtC; Sun, 21 Mar 1999 18:11:00 +0100 (GMT+0100) Message-Id: Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 18:11:00 +0100 (GMT+0100) X-Sender: narcar@mailserver.sis.it X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 To: idolisto@egroups.com From: Nardini Carlo Subject: [ido] poemo FOLESO Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sro Goncalo Neves, me tre multe prizis vua intensa poemo FOLESO. Lu kontenas en poka versi tota facinanta romano. Me lernabas memore la lasta strofo: l'oximoro*(1) "plezuro chagrena" havas neobliviebla ravisiva expresiveso. Kordiale, Carlo Nardini (1) E: oxymoron F: oxymoron I: ossimoro ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/list/idolisto Free Web-based e-mail groups by eGroups.com From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 34 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 11867 invoked by uid 7770); 21 Mar 1999 19:02:53 -0000 Received: from smtp02.wxs.nl (195.121.6.60) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 21 Mar 1999 19:02:53 -0000 Received: from pc ([195.121.76.253]) by smtp02.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with SMTP id AAAB1C; Sun, 21 Mar 1999 20:02:48 +0100 Message-ID: <000201be73cd$4aa26840$fd4c79c3@pc> From: "Eric Dickens" To: "idolisto" Cc: , Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 17:30:05 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Subject: [ido] sive "teologiala" diskut(ach)i, sive sana movemento Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit 21 marto 1999 Hurraa sro Martignon! Hurraa sro Bol! Vu e sro Neussner komprenas la vereso. Yes, nia Idolinguo devas ne devinor surogato vice religio. Anke me esas religioza - sed kom Kristano me savas, ke oportas ne pensar, skribar e lektar nur pri Dio (anke se la "Dio" es Ido!!!). En nia mondo existas anke nia samhomaro. E kom Kristano me permesas men ipsa jokar, mokar, esar grosiera, mem embarasanta, ne tamen devor fanatiko sen humuro e humanismo, la sola skopo di qua es vinkar, vinkar, vinkar e represar omna rezistado. O vivar en sekreta framasonala societo, ube singla membro "savas", ke lu multe superesas altra homi.. La charmo di movemento de equilibrante pensanta homi es, ke on povas diskutar e debatar. Ma, vere, nia propra movemento devas anke kreskar. Tolereso, intereso pri plu multo kam problemeti di sufixi, larja horizonti e generale kulturala trakto-metodo pri nia mondo-problemi es mea idealo. Nia movemento bezonas nek Lenin, nek Hitler o lia nuntempa fola kamaradachi. Ol bezonas multa mezvalora, ordinara homi, qua volas poke helpar, poke juar vivo e, to facanta, faciligar la difuzo di nia Idolinguo. Es oportuna tre sorgoze o atencoze lektar to qua skribis Jacques Bol en sua recenta letro. Ilu e Andreas Juste havas skribinta multo de komuna raciono! Saluti, Eric Dickens ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/list/idolisto Free Web-based e-mail groups by eGroups.com From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 35 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 28130 invoked by uid 7770); 21 Mar 1999 19:48:06 -0000 Received: from spartacus.a2000.nl (HELO smtp2.a2000.nl) (62.108.1.20) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 21 Mar 1999 19:48:06 -0000 Received: from node118d7.a2000.nl ([24.132.24.215] helo=default.a2000.nl) by smtp2.a2000.nl with esmtp (Exim 2.02 #4) id 10OoCY-00003C-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Sun, 21 Mar 1999 20:48:02 +0100 From: "Ido-Info" To: "idolisto" Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 18:47:30 +0100 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: Subject: [ido] grupi di novaji Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kar amiki, Me ne pensas ke novajogrupo es mala ideo, se ol esos kreata, ne es kozo domajiva, ka ne? Ka la movemento es sat granda o ne, ka to vere relatas? Me es en favoro di kreo di novajogrupo Idala, NUR se la vorto "NUIZO" es retraktata od adminime riespelita segun la formo propozita en "10.000 RADIKI": nIUzo. Tamen, me ne komprenas la prefero por radiko Angla, se la majoratito di la GAFHIR-lingui donas altra radiko: G: Nachtrichten A: news F: nouvelle H: noticias I: notizie R: novosti Me preferas la prezente uzata formo 'novaji', ma anke ne esos deskontenta pri 'novali' o 'notici'. 'Notici' mem es plu apta segun la deskripto en "10.000 Radiki": skriburo destinata ad informar pri punto partikulara di historio, di cienco, e.c. Me regretas la livo di sioro Jim Bradwell. Kar amiko, ni informos vu kande grupo di novaji esos kreata. Ed, por esar honesta, me ne sendis a vu la revui Idala, ma probable Sioro Alfred Neussner de la GIS, qua ofte uzas mea adreso kom sendinto. Saluti amikala, Hans St. ************************************************ absolute vizitez: http://members.tripod.com/~avancigado ************************************************ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/list/idolisto Free Web-based e-mail groups by eGroups.com From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 36 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 5585 invoked by uid 7770); 21 Mar 1999 20:16:38 -0000 Received: from farida.a2000.nl (HELO smtp1.a2000.nl) (62.108.1.19) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 21 Mar 1999 20:16:38 -0000 Received: from node118d7.a2000.nl ([24.132.24.215] helo=default.a2000.nl) by farida.a2000.nl with esmtp (Exim 2.02 #4) id 10Ooe7-0000WI-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Sun, 21 Mar 1999 21:16:31 +0100 From: "Ido-Info" To: "idolisto" Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 21:29:34 +0100 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: Subject: [ido] listo di Zeno Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Kar amiko Zeno, Vua listo de vorti es tre utila! Me es tre gratitudoza pro oli. Tamen, ka me darfas propozar kelka ameliori (segun mea humil opiniono) interreto-servo-provizisto = ISP = internet service provider >>me preferas: interreto-servo-provizERIO, 'provizisto' implikas un persono di qua la profesiono es� listo-servilo = list server >>ka me bone komprenas ke la "server" es mashino, segun la sufixo uzita da vu? mesajo kontrolala = control message >>ka ne: mesajo kontroliva ? mesajo-tabelo = message board molvaro = software nuizogrupo = newsgroup >> quale me ja skribis, adminime NIUZO ma me preferas novajogrupo. nuizolektilo = newsreader >> same, novajolektilo nuizoservilo = news server >>same, novajoservilo (ka ne es serverio?) regardilo = web browser >>pro ke koncernas la 'foliumado' tra la pagini retala, pro quo ne 'foliumilo', 'regardilo' semblas tante larje a me, anke povas esar televiziono, monitoro, binoklo, edc. ttt-eyo = www >> www signifikas World Wide Web, do pro quo ne simple tradukar aden Ido per la vorti Mondovasta Reto, o konservar la bel aliteraco TTT, do sen -eyo, nam lore ol nur es abreviuro di Tote Terala Telo. Me tamen nulafoye komprenis pro quo -eyo es uzata. Pri la resto me es tre kontenta! Saluti amikala, Hans St. ************************************************ absolute vizitez: http://members.tripod.com/~avancigado ************************************************ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/list/idolisto Free Web-based e-mail groups by eGroups.com From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 37 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 23646 invoked by uid 7770); 22 Mar 1999 06:32:11 -0000 Received: from mail2.deltanet.com (199.171.190.56) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 22 Mar 1999 06:32:11 -0000 Received: from ts012d32.lax-ca.concentric.net (ts012d32.lax-ca.concentric.net [206.173.241.92]) by mail2.deltanet.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id WAA12821 for ; Sun, 21 Mar 1999 22:32:04 -0800 (PST) From: zeno@deltanet.com (Zeno) To: "idolisto" Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 06:30:59 GMT Message-ID: <3716daa8.206028260@smtp.deltanet.com> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] Re: grupi di novaji Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ye sundio, 21-ma marto 1999, Hans Stuifbergen skribis: >Me ne pensas ke no= vajogrupo es mala ideo, se ol esos kreata, ne es kozo >domajiva, ka ne? Ka = la movemento es sat granda o ne, ka to vere relatas? Certe grupo ye Usenet= ne esas domajiva! To esos tre bona por Ido! >Me es en favoro di kreo di = novajogrupo Idala, NUR se la vorto "NUIZO" es >retraktata od adminime riesp= elita segun la formo propozita en "10.000 >RADIKI": nIUzo. Tamen, me ne kom= prenas la prefero por radiko Angla, se la >majoratito di la GAFHIR-lingui d= onas altra radiko: >G: Nachtrichten >A: news >F: nouvelle >H: noticias >I: = notizie >R: novosti >Me preferas la prezente uzata formo 'novaji', ma anke = ne esos deskontenta >pri 'novali' o 'notici'. 'Notici' mem es plu apta segu= n la deskripto en >"10.000 Radiki": skriburo destinata ad informar pri punt= o partikulara di >historio, di cienco, e.c. Me konkordas kun vu pri la uzo= di 'novajo' por l'Anglala 'news'. Mea uzo di 'nuizo' esis eroro, me inten= cis uzar la vorto de la dicionario da Persiko. Ma mem 'niuzo' esas nova vo= rto, e me esforcas uzar la vorti existanta irgakande posibla. Me uzos 'nov= ajo' en la futuro. Pri 'notici', me opinionas ke ta vorto signifikas nur un= peco di informajo, od informajo pri un kozo, do me preferas 'novajo'. Vol= untez komprenar ke mea uzo nekorekta di 'nuizo' ne efektigas la nomo di la = Usenet-grupo. Omna Usenet-grupi esas nomizita 'newsgroups', e ta termino n= e esas parto di la nomo di la novajogrupo. Fakte, la nomo di la novajogrupo= mustas esar en l'Angla, se on deziras ke la Usenet-administristi aceptus o= l ! Ni povas krear grupo qua esas nomizita alt.kulturo.ido, ma tre poka ho= mi vidus ol, pro ke maxim multa administristi ne aceptos ol, ecepte ke ol e= sas nomizita alt.culture.ido, por ke 'alt.kulturo' ne esas hierarko existan= ta ye Usenet. - Zeno ----------------------------------------------------= -------------------- eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/list/idolisto Free= Web-based e-mail groups by eGroups.com From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 38 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 18665 invoked by uid 7770); 22 Mar 1999 08:01:57 -0000 Received: from mail2.deltanet.com (199.171.190.56) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 22 Mar 1999 08:01:57 -0000 Received: from ts012d32.lax-ca.concentric.net (ts012d32.lax-ca.concentric.net [206.173.241.92]) by mail2.deltanet.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id AAA02868 for ; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 00:01:50 -0800 (PST) From: zeno@deltanet.com (Zeno) To: "idolisto" Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 08:00:46 GMT Message-ID: <3718f67e.213154874@smtp.deltanet.com> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] listo di Zeno Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ye sundio, 21-ma marto 1999, Hans Stuifbergen skribis: >Vua listo de vorti= es tre utila! Me es tre gratitudoza pro oli. Tamen, ka >me darfas propozar= kelka ameliori (segun mea humil opiniono) >interreto-servo-provizisto =3D = ISP =3D internet service provider >>>me preferas: interreto-servo-provizERI= O, 'provizisto' implikas un persono >di qua la profesiono es=85 Tre bona! = Danko! >listo-servilo =3D list server >>>ka me bone komprenas ke la "serv= er" es mashino, segun la sufixo uzita da >vu? Yes. Actuale molvaro, ma no= rmale un o plu multa komputori kune darfas nomizesas listo-servilo, pro ke = li omna funcionas quale un kozo, to quo esas listo-servilo. >mesajo kontro= lala =3D control message >>>ka ne: mesajo kontroliva ? Tre plu bona! >nui= zogrupo =3D newsgroup >>> quale me ja skribis, adminime NIUZO ma me prefera= s novajogrupo. >nuizolektilo =3D newsreader >>> same, novajolektilo >nuizos= ervilo =3D news server >>>same, novajoservilo (ka ne es serverio?) Me uzos= novajo pri omna di to. Ma me opinionas ke novajo-servilo esas plu bona ka= m novajo-serverio, pro ke novajo-servilo forsan esas un peco di molvaro en = un komputoro, od un komputoro qua esas dedikita quale novajo-servilo, o mul= ta komputori qua kune esas dedikita quale un novajo-servilo. Existas kompa= nii qua nur servar Usenet-novajo, e forsan li povas nomizesar novajo-server= io, ma ka ta ne signifikas 'news service company', qua ofras novajo-servilo= por lua klienti ? >regardilo =3D web browser >>>pro ke koncernas la 'foli= umado' tra la pagini retala, pro quo ne >'foliumilo', 'regardilo' semblas t= ante larje a me, anke povas esar >televiziono, monitoro, binoklo, edc. Dum= longa tempo, me serchas pri vorto qua indikas 'web' vice 'net', e vua sequ= anta defino kontenas ol ! Forsan on povas dicar simple 'regardilo' (en la = korekta kuntexto), ma la korekta termino esas 'teloregardilo'. Me dankas v= u tre multe ! >ttt-eyo =3D www >>> www signifikas World Wide Web, do pro q= uo ne simple tradukar aden Ido >per la vorti Mondovasta Reto, o konservar l= a bel aliteraco TTT, do sen >-eyo, nam lore ol nur es abreviuro di Tote Ter= ala Telo. Me tamen nulafoye >komprenis pro quo -eyo es uzata. Me uzas '-ey= o' pro ke me kopias Sioro Martin Lavalle'e, qua donas a me tre multa inform= ajo! Ma me preferas simple TTT, e me uzos ol :-). Anke, me uzos 'telo' qua= le 'web' e 'reto' quale 'net'. Tre bona! Me dankegas vu itere! >Pri la r= esto me es tre kontenta! Me ne esas! Me havas defini en multa plasi di me= a hardadisko. Kande me lektis vua komenturi, me komprenis ke me esas krean= ta la sama vorti multa foye ! Me regardis mea dosieri (?), e me remarkis k= e 'retolaboro' esas tre nekorekta. 'A network' ne esas laboro qua esas rel= atita a reto, ma vice reto qua uzesas pri laboro. La korekta vorto esas 'l= abororeto'. Me pozas kelka vorti (sen defini) ye telopagino (Ho! Yes! TELO= PAGINO! Finale me havas la vorto! Danko itere!) Voluntez regardar la pagi= no che http://users.deltanet.com/~zeno/idoang.htm . Me prizos vua komentaj= i. Kun respektoza saluto, Zeno ---------------------------------------= --------------------------------- eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/list/= idolisto Free Web-based e-mail groups by eGroups.com From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 39 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 22476 invoked by uid 7770); 22 Mar 1999 08:14:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mga2.primo.co.jp) (210.145.40.130) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 22 Mar 1999 08:14:42 -0000 Received: from mga2.primo.co.jp (unverified [210.145.40.140]) by mga2.primo.co.jp (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 17:18:30 +0900 Message-ID: From: "Bebson Y. TAKATA" To: Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 17:04:42 +0900 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] Pri stabileso por 21esma-yarcento Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kara Sri Cibernauti: Me suportas Sro Zeno EXE pri lua USENET. **************************************************************** Kara Sro Jean MARTIGNON:#2 pri stabileso ed ISO **************************************************************** Regretinde men ne multe interesas irga religii e filozofii di Idisti. Do hodie me parolas pri lingui komputorala, nam me bone konocas oli. Til nun kreesis tre numeroza lingui komputorala da cientisti en ta mondo. Ma existabas ibe sempre 1 definitiva regulo pri omna lingui komputorala. COBOL, FORTORAN, PL/I, PASCAL, C funcionas kun severa normigo en su ipsa. Ica normigo ofte nomesas kom ISO, normigo da la mondo industriala. c.e. International Organization for Standardization, Pro quo? Por quo? Sen severa normigo, irga linguo nulamaniere povas heredar sen problemo sua giganta programari ja parlaborita da nekontebla programisti ecelanta, ta quin onu ofte nomas kom LIBRARO, sen qua onu povus facar tota nulo. Sen bona LIBRARI di Prolog o C, Sro Zeno EXE o me esus nula programisti. Quale me tro ofte dicis, la 21esma-yarcento esos l'epoko di High-Tech. La komputoro bezonos traktar kelka lingui naturala ed artificala. En ta kazo la komputoro amas nur la lingui kun suficanta e bela normo. L'Angla kontenas tro multa neregulozeso por facile traktesar da irgu. Ido esos tre apta por irga komputoro, se to povos havar strikta normo. Ido esos tre apta, se to divenos nek Arulo nek Gloro nek Ididi.(^_^;) Do pro quo, vu pensus ke, me ofte uzas mea slangi en Ido kontre vua iraco? Lo es pro ke me volas konstatar la vera forteso di la sistemo, nome, Ido. Kelkatempe me intencante skribas cimi en mea programi por experimentar la qualeso di kompilili, ka la kompilanta programi funcionas bonege o ne. Kelkatempe me sive intencante sive ne, instruktis erori a Sro Zeno EXE por verifikar lua kapableso di Ido. Ma nun lu povas bone kontredicar irgo. Ico sempre esas la instrukt-maniero da mastri di Kungfu e Karate edc. Quale Sro Jacques BOL klare dicis, esas tre bona konstatar per su ipsa ke la solvuri propozita da nia pioniri esas la maxim aceptebla e saja. **************************************************************** Kara Sro Eric DICKENS:#1 Ka vu povas tolerar mea hucpo*? (^_^;;;) **************************************************************** Vu esas religioza e me esas hucpoza*, ta qua kompreneble esas plu saja. Pro ke religioza personi sempre povus facar grupi, ma la hucpozi* ne. La hucpozi* esas sola e tre trista ma ofte esas mencho* quale bone esas la fola e nobla viro de la Mancha, qua esas mea granda skopo di vivo. **************************************************************** Kara Sro Jacques BOL:#1 Me sempre vartas vua mesaji en IDOListo. **************************************************************** Me esperas ke en futuro vu naracez vua memoro di Ido en antiqueso. Esencale me esas tre konservema quale ofte esas omna Kungfuisti. Kungfuisti esas vera tradicionalisti ma kelkatempe facas aventuri.(^_^) ---------------------------------------------------------------- Adio! .....sincere via, B.Y.T. .....Idisto ed Idiotisto pro mea limitizita edukado ed anke Ido-Kavaliero e shinko-aktoro di Teatro FilozofiACHala **************************************************************** Plez* indikar mea erori pri vorti, gramatiko, dicmaniero ec., nam me esas nura ne-edukito e devas lernar dum ke me vivas. Me sempre esperas, IDOLani, via amikeso por EXTRA prenar peno de via parto por instruktar me, qua durstas ye savo ulaspecala. "Do me PREGAS IDOLani donacar via amikeso, pri qua me volas QUESTIONAR vi ed anke quan me kordiale DEMANDAS de vi." Tamen en rara kazo kande me savas plu bone kam vi, me volunte transdonos mea humila savo a vi segun via bezoni. **************************************************************** ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/list/idolisto Free Web-based e-mail groups by eGroups.com From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 40 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 22646 invoked by uid 7770); 22 Mar 1999 13:08:47 -0000 Received: from smtp03.wxs.nl (195.121.6.37) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 22 Mar 1999 13:08:47 -0000 Received: from pc ([195.121.77.44]) by smtp03.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with SMTP id AAA59BB for ; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 14:08:39 +0100 Message-ID: <000401be7464$fb605a60$2c4d79c3@pc> From: "Eric Dickens" To: "idolisto" Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 14:03:45 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Subject: [ido] un questiono a sro Hucpozo da sro Wissarion Besserwisser Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit 22 marto 1999 La hucpozeso di la meshugo... Kar Idisti, Mea bon amiko Wissarion Besserwisser skribas: **************************************************************************** * Mea bonega amikegi, Me sempre esforcas esar relevanta homo. Do, un questiono a sro T.B. ben Yaksonata - "La Hucpozo" [? Me ne komprenas ico. E.D.]: Pro quo Japoniana linguisto e komputeristo uzas tale multa vorti de la Yiddish / Jiddisch linguo en lua Ido mesaji? Ka ica vorti venas de la westala o l'estala dialekto? Yen - altra vorti, qua es posible utila: La mamelosheno; la milkhomo, la mispokho; la beiglo; la khilulo; la shlemilo, la meturefo, la meshugo... Teoriale, on povus krear nova paralela versiono di Ido - la Yido - la tota vortaro di quo esus Yiddish, ma la gramatiko di quo esus Ido. Ica linguo povus devinor dialekto di Ido quon on povus uzar en, exemple, distrikti di New York. Tamen, mea questiono es: ka la fondamento esus sive la westala sive la estala dialekto? Regretinde, la granda linguisto Uriel Weinreich, la sistematisto di Yiddish, mortis tro yuna, en 1967, e ne povas respondar. Altr' Idisti forsan ne savis, ke existas du dialekti di Yiddish. La westala (quon Weinreich sistemigis) parolesis precipue en Germania e New York. Co es la dialekto dil novelisto Abram Sutzkever. La estala dialekto parolesis en Moskva e Khabarovsk. En la estala dialekto publikigesis, exemple, la periodiko "Sovetish Heimland". Anke, exemple, un libro da Leonid Brezhnev - "Malaya Zemlya" (La mikra tero) - tradukesis aden la estala dialekto. Yiddish, kom omna lingui havas dialekti. Me opinionas, tamen, ke Ido ne havas suficanta dialekti. La sentenco "Divide et impera" (dividez e vinkez) es ankore relevanta - ni devas dividar nia linguo por ke ni vinkez! Ni devas krear un Idodialekto por singla naturala linguo!!! E pose un websaito* por singla Idodialekto! Pose un websaito por singla hobio, intereso ed inklineso! Nula sufokanta uneso di linguo! Nula deslibereso dil normala gramatiko! Ni bezonas multalinguistikala internacionistala plurolingueso! Via unua, en flategacha amikeso, Wissarion Besserwisser Membro di la PEN-centro da la Republiko di Ruritania **************************************************************************** ********** Me kategoriale dementias la nebenigna rumori, ke mea bon amiko Besserwisser es sive fatiganta, pedanta tedanto, qua tro obsesive interesas pri la dialektiko di l'existo, sive demonala Macchiavelli-Esperantisto-infiltranto, qua esforcas semar disonanco en nia movemento. No, mea amiko Besserwisser es nur frenezioza e nesanigebla lunatikulo. Saluti, Eric Dickens ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/list/idolisto Free Web-based e-mail groups by eGroups.com From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 41 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 25103 invoked by uid 7770); 22 Mar 1999 16:24:31 -0000 Received: from mout00.kundenserver.de (195.20.224.69) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 22 Mar 1999 16:24:31 -0000 Received: from [195.20.224.67] (helo=mx00.kundenserver.de) by mout00.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 10P7Uh-0001XZ-00; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 17:24:03 +0100 Received: from [212.81.170.237] (helo=www) by mx00.kundenserver.de with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 10P7Ug-0007Xg-00; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 17:24:02 +0100 Message-ID: <008901be7480$426c9200$edaa51d4@www.fen.baynet.de> From: "Frank Kasper" To: , "Idolisto" Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 16:47:35 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Subject: [ido] Re: Usenet Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kara amiki! Quale vi certe ya remarkis me hiere votis kontre la propozo aperigar Ido-novaj-grupo che Usenet. Me volas saveskigar vi, ke me generale ne tote esas kontre tala agado, ma segun mea opiniono on devus facar lo erste, pos ke nia movemento ankore plustabileskos. Me tote konformas kun la talrelata opiniono da James Chandler. Nia sequanta tasko devus esar fortigar e pluatratraktivar nia existanta nova Ido-forumo e quale me ya kelkfoye remarkis agar aktive por vivanta Ido-movado. Por novintereseri, qui ne esas retatingebla tote ne suficas recevar Ido-revuo ye omna duesma monato por konvinkigar li de la avantaji de nia linguo e movemento. Segun mea oppiniono on talrelate devabus lernar de la Esperantistaro, ube omnatempe eventas ulo. Adminime unesme esus necesa esforcar l'aktiva korespondo por posiblesigar a novkomenceri adminime talmaniere praktikar Ido. Do, me pensas, ke ni certe povos parpensar pri kreado de novaj-grupo, pos ke ni adminime stabileskis nia movado. Segun mea opiniono mem urjante esus necesa, elektar kelki de nia nova aktiva adheranti quale exemple Zeno, Marteno o Bebson aden la Diretanta Komitato dil ULI, por ke ibe fine eventos aktivesi, qua esos remarkebla da omni. Quankam la DK certe anke nun laboras segun posiblesi l'Exterdirektani nur apene remarkas lo. Do, per ica remarki me volas finar mea hodia mesajo. Me deziras a vi omni agreabla semano! Kun la maxim kordiala ed amikala saluti! Frank Kasper frank.kasper@idolinguo.de - webmaster@idolinguo.de ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/list/idolisto Free Web-based e-mail groups by eGroups.com From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 42 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 7130 invoked by uid 7770); 22 Mar 1999 19:36:08 -0000 Received: from f208.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (207.82.251.99) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 22 Mar 1999 19:36:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 16250 invoked by uid 0); 22 Mar 1999 19:35:18 -0000 Message-ID: <19990322193518.16249.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 206.167.80.240 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 11:35:18 PST From: "Martin Lavallee" To: zeno@deltanet.com Cc: idolisto@egroups.com Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 11:35:18 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] Re: grupi di novaji Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit alt.culture.ido es bon meaopinione. En la charto quan Zeno nun kompozas devus esar punto pri acepto di mesaji en nacional lingui por klarigar la precipua karakterizi di IDO. >From: zeno@deltanet.com (Zeno) >To: "idolisto" >Subject: [ido] Re: grupi di novaji >Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 06:30:59 GMT > >Ye sundio, 21-ma marto 1999, Hans Stuifbergen skribis: > >>Me ne pensas ke novajogrupo es mala ideo, se ol esos kreata, ne es kozo >>domajiva, ka ne? Ka la movemento es sat granda o ne, ka to vere relatas? > >Certe grupo ye Usenet ne esas domajiva! To esos tre bona por Ido! > >>Me es en favoro di kreo di novajogrupo Idala, NUR se la vorto "NUIZO" es >>retraktata od adminime riespelita segun la formo propozita en "10.000 >>RADIKI": nIUzo. Tamen, me ne komprenas la prefero por radiko Angla, se la >>majoratito di la GAFHIR-lingui donas altra radiko: >>G: Nachtrichten >>A: news >>F: nouvelle >>H: noticias >>I: notizie >>R: novosti >>Me preferas la prezente uzata formo 'novaji', ma anke ne esos deskontenta >>pri 'novali' o 'notici'. 'Notici' mem es plu apta segun la deskripto en >>"10.000 Radiki": skriburo destinata ad informar pri punto partikulara di >>historio, di cienco, e.c. > >Me konkordas kun vu pri la uzo di 'novajo' por l'Anglala 'news'. Mea >uzo di 'nuizo' esis eroro, me intencis uzar la vorto de la dicionario >da Persiko. Ma mem 'niuzo' esas nova vorto, e me esforcas uzar la >vorti existanta irgakande posibla. Me uzos 'novajo' en la futuro. >Pri 'notici', me opinionas ke ta vorto signifikas nur un peco di >informajo, od informajo pri un kozo, do me preferas 'novajo'. > >Voluntez komprenar ke mea uzo nekorekta di 'nuizo' ne efektigas la >nomo di la Usenet-grupo. Omna Usenet-grupi esas nomizita >'newsgroups', e ta termino ne esas parto di la nomo di la novajogrupo. >Fakte, la nomo di la novajogrupo mustas esar en l'Angla, se on deziras >ke la Usenet-administristi aceptus ol ! Ni povas krear grupo qua esas >nomizita alt.kulturo.ido, ma tre poka homi vidus ol, pro ke maxim >multa administristi ne aceptos ol, ecepte ke ol esas nomizita >alt.culture.ido, por ke 'alt.kulturo' ne esas hierarko existanta ye >Usenet. > >- Zeno > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >eGroups Spotlight: >"Loads" - A "truckstop" support group for trucker families. >http://offers.egroups.com/click/243/3 > >eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/list/idolisto >Free Web-based e-mail groups by eGroups.com > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/list/idolisto Free Web-based e-mail groups by eGroups.com From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 43 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 8240 invoked by uid 7770); 22 Mar 1999 19:38:23 -0000 Received: from search.egroups.com (HELO search.findmail.com) (207.138.41.144) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 22 Mar 1999 19:38:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 23790 invoked by uid 7770); 22 Mar 1999 19:38:12 -0000 Received: from f253.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (207.82.251.144) by search.egroups.com with SMTP; 22 Mar 1999 19:38:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 13058 invoked by uid 0); 22 Mar 1999 19:31:26 -0000 Message-ID: <19990322193125.13057.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 206.167.80.240 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 11:31:24 PST From: "Martin Lavallee" To: frank.kasper@idolinguo.de Cc: idolisto@egroups.com Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 11:31:24 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] Pri: Usenet Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kar amiki, La kontributo da sioro Frank Kasper kontenas plur grav argumenti reflektenda. Desfacile me respondizos oli. >Nia sequanta tasko devus esar fortigar e >pluatratraktivar nia existanta nova Ido-forumo e quale me ya kelkfoye >remarkis agar aktive por vivanta Ido-movado. Esas plur homi qui esas atingebla nur per Usenet. Kreo di niuzgrupo helpus la diskonocigado di IDO. >Segun mea oppiniono on talrelate devabus lernar de la >Esperantistaro, ube omnatempe eventas ulo. Adminime unesme esus >necesa >esforcar l'aktiva korespondo por posiblesigar a novkomenceri adminime >talmaniere praktikar Ido. soc.culture.ido esas usenet-a esperantista grupo. Ka vu ne dezirus montrar ke IDO meritas anke esar en Usenet? >Segun mea opiniono mem urjante esus necesa, elektar kelki de nia nova >aktiva >adheranti quale exemple Zeno, Marteno o Bebson aden la Diretanta >Komitato >dil ULI, por ke ibe fine eventos aktivesi, qua esos remarkebla da >omni. Milion homi esas en Usenet. Aparo di IDO-forumo esos gratuita reklamo por la linguo internaciona. Maxim amikale vin salutas, Martin Lavalle'e http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/8009/idolinguo.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/list/idolisto Free Web-based e-mail groups by eGroups.com From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 44 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 3979 invoked by uid 7770); 22 Mar 1999 20:28:29 -0000 Received: from spartacus.a2000.nl (HELO smtp2.a2000.nl) (62.108.1.20) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 22 Mar 1999 20:28:29 -0000 Received: from node118d7.a2000.nl ([24.132.24.215] helo=default.a2000.nl) by smtp2.a2000.nl with esmtp (Exim 2.02 #4) id 10PBJ4-00027L-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 21:28:18 +0100 From: "Ido-Info" To: "idolisto" Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 21:41:18 +0100 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: Subject: [ido] nova libro Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kar amiki, Sioro Dro. Tazio Carlevaro komunikis a me ke editesis nova libro da editerio "Hans Dubois". Es "Bibliografio di Ido", qua kontenas omna edituri aparita en Ido, de la komenco til nun. Ol es 193 pagini dike e kustas 30 Franci Suisiana, (pagebla per cheko). Videz ye la listo di Editerio "Hans Dubois", per pagino: http://www.angelfire.com/id/Avance/Librerii.html Saluti amikala, Hans St. ************************************************ absolute vizitez: http://members.tripod.com/~avancigado ************************************************ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/list/idolisto Free Web-based e-mail groups by eGroups.com From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 45 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 23465 invoked by uid 7770); 22 Mar 1999 23:06:53 -0000 Received: from f35.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (207.82.250.46) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 22 Mar 1999 23:06:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 29006 invoked by uid 0); 22 Mar 1999 23:06:48 -0000 Message-ID: <19990322230648.29005.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 206.167.80.240 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 15:06:47 PST From: "Martin Lavallee" To: idolisto@egroups.com Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 15:06:47 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] Traduko Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kar amiki, Malgre la fakto ke me konocas tre male la azian lingui, me probos tradukar ica esperantal texto plen de vorti ek la kontinento di sioro Takata. Ica esperantal texto unesme aparis del fingri di sioro Harlow en . Esperanto: �La hibaksxo* sidis sur la verando** de sia bangalo***, trinkante kumison**** kaj ne plu suferante de la atombomba doloro pro la cxigongaj***** ekzercoj, kaj rigardis la ondojn, kiuj alhulis de la maro, dum li flaris la odoron de la apudaj umefloroj****** kaj sakuroj******.� Ido: �La hibaksho* sidis sur la verando** di sua bangalo***, drinkante kumiso**** e ne plus sufrante de la atombomba doloro pro la chigongaj***** exercoj, e regardis la ondi, qui adhulis ek la maro, dum il flaris la odoro dil apuda umeflori****** e sakuri******.� *Japandevena: postvivinto de atombomba atako. **Hinda, se me bone memoras. Teraso tektoza qua formacas peristilo. ***Anke hinda, ma posible ne pure, nam originas de la vorto por ula populo (bangla). Speco de malgranda domo. Speco di mikra domo. ****Ek ula mezazia linguo (turka?): fermentinta acida kavalina lakto, uzata kom drinkajo. *****China: speco di kuracado. ******Japanesa vorti. �umeo� (prunus mume) esas prunsimila frukto tre populara en Japonia e Chinia; ofte imajigata sur postal marki ed cetera. �sakuro� esas similspeca arbo (prunus yedoensis), la nacia floro di Japonia, quan en Ocidento on kustume misnomizas cheriz-floro (tote ne temas pri cherizo). Fakte ica texto esas un argumentajo relate la internacioneso di Ido ed Esperanto. Sioro Manuel Campagna asertis ke Esperanto esas plu internaciona kam Ido e lore la diskuto komencis... Me opinionas ke tradukar ica vorti e multa altra ek afrikan e azian regioni montrus ke Ido mondeskas vortare. Maxim amikale vin salutas, Martin Lavall�e http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/8009/idolinguo.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/list/idolisto Free Web-based e-mail groups by eGroups.com From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 46 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 28096 invoked by uid 7770); 22 Mar 1999 23:15:42 -0000 Received: from f273.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (207.82.251.164) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 22 Mar 1999 23:15:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 17862 invoked by uid 0); 22 Mar 1999 23:15:32 -0000 Message-ID: <19990322231532.17861.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 206.167.80.240 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 15:15:32 PST From: "Martin Lavallee" To: idolisto@egroups.com Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 15:15:32 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] Pri: Usenet (korekto) Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kar amiki, Me skribis: >soc.culture.ido esas usenet-a esperantista grupo. Ka vu ne dezirus >montrar ke IDO meritas anke esar en Usenet? soc.culture.esperanto certe esas esperantista grupo. Pardonez la eroro! On povas trovar ol irante ad http://www.dejanews.com/ Til balde! Martin Lavall�e http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/8009/idolinguo.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/list/idolisto Free Web-based e-mail groups by eGroups.com From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 47 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 11980 invoked by uid 7770); 23 Mar 1999 01:47:47 -0000 Received: from f173.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (207.82.251.59) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 23 Mar 1999 01:47:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 7004 invoked by uid 0); 23 Mar 1999 01:47:43 -0000 Message-ID: <19990323014743.7003.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 206.167.80.240 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 17:47:43 PST From: "Martin Lavallee" To: idolisto@egroups.com Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 17:47:43 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] ttt Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kar amiki Pri >ttt-eyo = www > www signifikas World Wide Web, do pro quo ne simple tradukar aden > Ido per la vorti Mondovasta Reto, o konservar la bel aliteraco > TTT, do sen -eyo, nam lore ol nur es abreviuro di Tote Terala > Telo. Me tamen nulafoye komprenis pro quo -eyo es uzata. Homepage (hempagino) esas TTT-eyo. TTT esas WWW (ka veb esus idigo posibla?). Martin Lavall�e http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/8009/idolinguo.html Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/list/idolisto Free Web-based e-mail groups by eGroups.com From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 48 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 21733 invoked by uid 7770); 23 Mar 1999 09:29:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mga2.primo.co.jp) (210.145.40.130) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 23 Mar 1999 09:29:19 -0000 Received: from mga2.primo.co.jp (unverified [210.145.40.140]) by mga2.primo.co.jp (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 18:32:10 +0900 Message-ID: From: "Bebson Y. TAKATA" To: Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 17:02:03 +0900 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] FORTORAN -> FORTRAN Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Kara Sri Cibernauti: Quon onu facez anstat* "who idol"? Quankam me ne drinkas irga alkoholaji, regretinde me havas frap-ebrieso, qua impedas me taipar* plu bele e gracioze, nam me recevis multa pugno- e pedo-frapi sur la kapo, kande yuna. Me deziras ke me esus plu forta! **************************************************************** Kara Sro Wissarion Besserwisser tra Sro Eric DICKENS:#2 Yiddish **************************************************************** >Pro quo Japoniana linguisto e komputeristo uzas tale multa vorti de la > Yiddish / Jiddisch linguo en lua Ido mesaji? Ka ica vorti venas de la > westala o l'estala dialekto? -> Me esas nek linguisto nek komputoristo. Omna mea lingui e komputor-savo esis/as nur por transvivar e manjar da me. La vera westala Yiddish ja mortis ante kelka cent yari. L'estala vivabas. >Ka la fundamento esus sive la westala sive la estala dialekto? Regretinde, > la granda linguisto Uriel Weinreich, la sistemigisto di Yiddish, mortis > tro yuna, en 1967, e ne povas respondar.-> La lua es normigita Yiddish. >La westala? (quan Weinreich sistemigis) de l'estala dialekti di Yiddish Ne > parolesis en Germania ma precipue en New York, nam la Judi en Germania > parolis l'autentika Germana linguo. En Polonia la Judi parolis Yiddish. >La estala dialekto parolesis en Moskva e Khabarovsk.: Birobidjan por Judi. >Quo esas 'hucpozo*'?[E.D.] -> Kande me kom refujanto arivis ad Idol en IR, me ne posedis multo valoroza exter 2 gemi de la Yiddish linguo: KHUCPA e MENCH, ma me ne trovis kh-sono en Ido, me chanjis kh a h ed anke la dezinenci e ganis 2 nekareebla vorti: hucpo* e mencho* Onu trovas la qualeso di hucpo* [khutzpa-chutzpa] en hucpozo* quala me. Hucpozo* povas bone definesar kom viro, o poke kelkatempe muliero, qua klamas "Helpez! Helpez!", samtempe frapante febla ulu altra. Mencho* (menchulo* o menchino*) esas homo tre e forte FIDEBLA, qua Ne DARFAS TRAHIZAR su ed altri mem en cirkonstanci desfacilega e povresa e pluse mem anke en situeso favoroza ed sat amikaloza. Menchulo* esas viro quala Don Quijote de la Mancha (ne mencha!) **************************************************************** Kara Sro Maritn LAVALLE'E:#2 pri pseudo-internacioneso di Esperanto **************************************************************** Esperanto: fola internacioneso da certena Esperantisto �La hibaksxo sidis sur la verando de sia bangalo, trinkante kumison kaj ne plu suferante de la atombomba doloro pro la cxigongaj ekzercoj, kaj rigardis la ondojn, kiuj alhulis de la maro, dum li flaris la odoron de la apudaj umefloroj kaj sakuroj.� Ido: fidela tradukuro segun l'Esperantala originalo �La hibaksho sidis sur la verando di sua bangalo, drinkante kumiso e ne plus sufrante de la atombomba doloro pro la chigonga exerci, e regardis la ondi, qui adhulis ek la maro, dum il flaris la odoro dil apuda umeflori e sakuri.� Ido: hucpoza* tradukuro kun suficanta internacioneso (^_^;) �La travivanto de A-bombo sidis sur la verando di sua bangalo, gustumante kumiso-drinkajo e ne plus sufrante la doloro da l'atombombo pro l'exerci Chin-medicinala, e regardis la ondi, qui montifis ek la maro, dum ke il flaris la odoro de proxim la Japoniana ed amba pruniera e ceriziera flori. **************************************************************** Kara Sro Zeno EXE:#2 pri komputar **************************************************************** Nun me pensas per mea mikra cerebro por respondar a vu pose. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Adio! .....sincere via, B.Y.T. .....Idisto ed Idiotisto pro mea limitizita edukado ed anke Ido-Kavaliero kun multa defekti e numeroza erori **************************************************************** Plez* indikar mea erori pri vorti, gramatiko, dicmaniero ec., nam me esas nura ne-edukito e devas lernar dum ke me vivas. Me sempre esperas, IDOLani, via amikeso por EXTRA prenar peno de via parto por instruktar me, qua durstas ye savo ulaspecala. Tamen en rara kazo kande me savas plu bone kam vi, me volunte transdonos mea humila savo a vi segun via bezoni. **************************************************************** ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/list/idolisto Free Web-based e-mail groups by eGroups.com From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 49 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 2651 invoked by uid 7770); 23 Mar 1999 19:34:32 -0000 Received: from hermes.ex.ac.uk (HELO exeter.ac.uk) (144.173.6.14) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 23 Mar 1999 19:34:32 -0000 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (TAA17295); Tue, 23 Mar 1999 19:33:51 GMT Received: from maths.exeter.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 19:33:50 GMT From: chandler@maths.ex.ac.uk Message-Id: <12124.9903231933@maths.exeter.ac.uk> To: idolisto@egroups.com (Idolisto) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 99 19:33:48 GMT X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL3] Subject: [ido] novajgrupo Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kar amiki, Unesme, me ne tre prizas la vorto niuzo*, propozita da kelka idisti. Adminime me opinionas ke ol es nenecesa, nam ni darfas uzar l'existanta: novajo/i. Me repetas, ke me havas nula objeciono kontre kreo di novajgrupo por Ido; me nur opinionas ke to ne es absolute necesa camomente. Me havas tamen kelka questioni: Se ni kreus novajgrupo, ka ni povus establisar "gateway" (quale expresar co en Ido?) inter la novajgrupo ed Idolisto, quale funcionas la espala novajgrupo? Ka ne esus plu bona krear grupo en la hierarkio soc., vice alt.? Ka la hierarkio soc. ne es plu ofical o prestijoza? Qua provizas la spaco por konservado di mesaji che novajgrupi? Kordiale, James Chandler. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/list/idolisto Free Web-based e-mail groups by eGroups.com From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 50 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 11244 invoked by uid 7770); 23 Mar 1999 19:49:52 -0000 Received: from hermes.ex.ac.uk (HELO exeter.ac.uk) (144.173.6.14) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 23 Mar 1999 19:49:52 -0000 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (TAA12587); Tue, 23 Mar 1999 19:49:39 GMT Received: from maths.exeter.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 19:49:38 GMT From: chandler@maths.ex.ac.uk Message-Id: <12156.9903231949@maths.exeter.ac.uk> To: idolisto@egroups.com (Idolisto) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 99 19:49:35 GMT X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL3] Subject: [ido] nova libro Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kar amiki e kara sro Stuifbergen, Me havas questiono koncerne la nova libro editita da T. Carlevaro. Kad ol kontenas nur nomi di verki, o kad ol kontenas ula verki ipsa? Kordiale James Chandler. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/list/idolisto Free Web-based e-mail groups by eGroups.com From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 51 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 13382 invoked by uid 7770); 23 Mar 1999 19:53:46 -0000 Received: from hermes.ex.ac.uk (HELO exeter.ac.uk) (144.173.6.14) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 23 Mar 1999 19:53:46 -0000 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (TAA06798); Tue, 23 Mar 1999 19:53:35 GMT Received: from maths.exeter.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 19:53:34 GMT From: chandler@maths.ex.ac.uk Message-Id: <12165.9903231953@maths.exeter.ac.uk> To: idolisto@egroups.com (Idolisto) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 99 19:53:31 GMT X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL3] Subject: [ido] internaciona stilo Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kar amiki e kara sro Martignon, La ideo di internaciona stilo en interlinguo, mencionita da J. Martignon, multe interesas me. En quo konsistas la stilo internaciona uzata en la granda esperanto-revui? Quale idisti povus lernar per la exemplo di la maxim kompetenta espisti? Me pregas sro Martignon, parolar plu detaloze pri ca interesanta temo. Kordial danki, James Chandler. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/list/idolisto Free Web-based e-mail groups by eGroups.com From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 52 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 29269 invoked by uid 7770); 23 Mar 1999 20:22:30 -0000 Received: from mout00.kundenserver.de (195.20.224.69) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 23 Mar 1999 20:22:30 -0000 Received: from [195.20.224.67] (helo=mx00.kundenserver.de) by mout00.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 10PXgr-0005KG-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 21:22:21 +0100 Received: from [212.81.175.237] (helo=www) by mx00.kundenserver.de with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 10PXgr-0004Jn-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 21:22:21 +0100 Message-ID: <001901be756a$b4cefdc0$edaf51d4@www.fen.baynet.de> From: "Frank Kasper" To: "Idolisto (Mesaji)" Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 20:49:27 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Subject: [ido] Re: "Who idol" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kara amiki! Me volas respondar la inquesto de nia kara amiko Bebson, qua esas la equivalento por recevar la listo de membri che "Idolisto" vice la til nuna mesajo "who idol". La respondo esas:L'arkivi, listo-deskripturo e listo di membri povas esar obtenata ye la reto che: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto Regretinde plusa posibleso mem regardar la listo de membri ne existas. Se ulu havas problemi vizitar ta pagino e tamen volunte obtenus la listo lore me lu devez informar me, por ke me povos sendar la listo a lu per e-postala mesajo. Kun la maxim kordiala ed amikala saluti! Frank Kasper frank.kasper@idolinguo.de - webmaster@idolinguo.de ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/list/idolisto Free Web-based e-mail groups by eGroups.com From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 53 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 29287 invoked by uid 7770); 23 Mar 1999 20:22:33 -0000 Received: from mout00.kundenserver.de (195.20.224.69) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 23 Mar 1999 20:22:33 -0000 Received: from [195.20.224.67] (helo=mx00.kundenserver.de) by mout00.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 10PXgt-0005Kt-00; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 21:22:23 +0100 Received: from [212.81.175.237] (helo=www) by mx00.kundenserver.de with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 10PXgs-0004Jn-00; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 21:22:22 +0100 Message-ID: <001a01be756a$b57e77a0$edaf51d4@www.fen.baynet.de> From: "Frank Kasper" To: "Martin Lavallee" Cc: Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 21:15:34 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Subject: [ido] Re: Pri: Usenet Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kar amiko Marteno! Me kordialege dankas a vu pro vua komenti relate mea kontrevocado pro la propozo krear Ido-grupi ye "Usenet". Me certe deziras, ke Ido meritez esar propagita ye tam multa loki kam posibla. La problemo nur esas, ke on devez garantiar, ke omnatempe ula idisto esez pronta administrar la projeti kreita, altrakaze la projeti falius od adminime perdus olua valoro. Samtempe anke urjante esas necesa prizentar vivanta Ido-movemento, quan on unesme devus krear, nam segun mea experienci l' Ido-movemento extere dil interreto durante preske tote ne vivas. Kordiala saluti! Frank Kasper frank.kasper@idolinguo.de - webmaster@idolinguo.de ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/list/idolisto Free Web-based e-mail groups by eGroups.com From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 54 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 29317 invoked by uid 7770); 23 Mar 1999 21:19:36 -0000 Received: from f97.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (207.82.250.216) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 23 Mar 1999 21:19:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 19394 invoked by uid 0); 23 Mar 1999 21:19:31 -0000 Message-ID: <19990323211931.19393.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 206.167.80.240 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 13:19:27 PST From: "Martin Lavallee" To: idolisto@egroups.com Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 13:19:27 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] novajgrupo Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kar amiki, Sioro Chandler skribis: >Se ni kreus novajgrupo, ka ni povus establisar "gateway" (quale expresar >co en Ido?) inter la novajgrupo ed Idolisto, quale funcionas la espala >novajgrupo? Yes, *gateway* esas tote posibla. Esar en Usenet permisus a plu granda publiko havar aceso a idolisto e tale konocar Ido. >Ka ne esus plu bona krear grupo en la hierarkio soc., vice alt.? Ka la >hierarkio soc. ne es plu ofical o prestijoza? Me konsentas ke soc. esus plu bona kozo, ma icon vu facos lor vua retroveno! >Qua provizas la spaco por konservado di mesaji che novajgrupi? Multega servili quale www.dejanews.com gratuite registras omna (ka vere omna?) mesaji di Usenet. Ne obliviez votar! Maxim amike vun salutas, Martin Lavall�e http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/8009/idolinguo.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/list/idolisto Free Web-based e-mail groups by eGroups.com From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 55 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 7623 invoked by uid 7770); 23 Mar 1999 21:38:18 -0000 Received: from out0.mx.skynet.be (195.238.2.35) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 23 Mar 1999 21:38:18 -0000 Received: from login.skynet.be (dialup139.wavre.skynet.be [195.238.10.139]) by out0.mx.skynet.be (8.9.3/odie-relay-v1.0) with ESMTP id WAA07203 for ; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 22:38:01 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <199903232138.WAA07203@out0.mx.skynet.be> Reply-To: From: "BOL Jacques" To: "idolisto" Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 17:16:19 +0100 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] Rienskribo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A Frank Kasper, Wavre, 23/3/99 Frank, Se me bone komprenas, me esis direte enskribita da tu, en la nova idolisto e me ne bezonas sendar mesajo "resubscribe"; omnakaze, se tu recevis ica mesajo , omno bone funcionas. En Progreso 315, ja imprimita e pronta distributesar, me mencionis l'anciena email-adreso di Idol; prego informar me pri to quon me devas mencionar en la sequanta numero dil revuo; ka l'anciena adreso ridivenos bona pos du monati kande James rivenos ? Kordial saluto Jacques Bol jbol@skynet.be ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/list/idolisto Free Web-based e-mail groups by eGroups.com From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 56 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 11542 invoked by uid 7770); 23 Mar 1999 21:45:17 -0000 Received: from hermes.ex.ac.uk (HELO exeter.ac.uk) (144.173.6.14) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 23 Mar 1999 21:45:17 -0000 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (VAA14684); Tue, 23 Mar 1999 21:45:02 GMT Received: from maths.exeter.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 21:45:01 GMT From: chandler@maths.ex.ac.uk Message-Id: <12453.9903232144@maths.exeter.ac.uk> To: idolisto@egroups.com (Idolisto) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 99 21:44:58 GMT X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL3] Subject: [ido] rienskribo Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kar amiki e kara sro Bol, Fakte omnu esis automate rienskribata da me, do ne da Frank, malgre ke Frank e Hans de nun administros la nova listo. Regretinde l'anciena listo ne future rifuncionos, do prego reklamez nur la nova detali de nun en nia revui. Kordiale, James Chandler. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/list/idolisto Free Web-based e-mail groups by eGroups.com From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 57 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 16155 invoked by uid 7770); 23 Mar 1999 21:53:23 -0000 Received: from f40.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (207.82.250.51) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 23 Mar 1999 21:53:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 10875 invoked by uid 0); 23 Mar 1999 21:53:17 -0000 Message-ID: <19990323215317.10874.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 206.167.80.240 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 13:53:16 PST From: "Martin Lavallee" To: idolisto@egroups.com Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 13:53:16 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] novajgrupo Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kara amiki, Sioro Frank Kasper skribis: >Me certe deziras, ke Ido meritez esar propagita ye tam multa loki kam >posibla. La problemo nur esas, ke on devez garantiar, ke omnatempe ula >idisto esez pronta administrar la projeti kreita, altrakaze la projeti >falius od adminime perdus olua valoro. Dum la venonta 50 yari me povas garantiar vu ke me administros la novaj-grupo Usenet-a. Zeno anke esas apud me, e semblas ke sioro Takata informos la japona novajgrupi pri la aparo di ica usenet-a novaj-grupo. Fakte, esus nura plugrandigo dil idolisto, havante nova potencial publiko en Usenet. >Samtempe anke urjante esas necesa prizentar vivanta Ido-movemento, quan on >unesme devus krear, nam segun mea experienci l' Ido-movemento extere dil >interreto durante preske tote ne vivas. Kande ne esas mesajo respondenda me duras la franca-ida vortolibro en la interreto. Ico esas la unesma etapo ante ripublikigar bona franca-ida vortolibro papere. La tradukuro dil evangelio segun santa Markus da sioro Keven Ford en Toronto, la maxim granda urbo di Kanada, esas anke grava kontributo por ke Ido havez internaciona stilo. Omni lektos ica kristana pamfleto, mem la ne-kredanti e la ateisti! Me pregas omni votar ad http://www.egroups.com/info/top?murl=/vote%3fmethod%3ddisplayallvotes%26listname%3didolisto Maxim amike vin salutas, Martin Lavall�e http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/8009/idolinguo.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/list/idolisto Free Web-based e-mail groups by eGroups.com From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 58 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 23251 invoked by uid 7770); 23 Mar 1999 22:05:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mga2.primo.co.jp) (210.145.40.130) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 23 Mar 1999 22:05:58 -0000 Received: from mga2.primo.co.jp (unverified [210.145.40.140]) by mga2.primo.co.jp (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 07:08:58 +0900 Message-ID: From: "Bebson Y. TAKATA" To: Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 06:58:30 +0900 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] Quon me komputas? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kara Sri Cibernauti: Me anke esas laboristo-filozofacho. **************************************************************** Kara Sro Zeno EXE:#2 Me male/bone instruktas, nam me donas erori? **************************************************************** kalkular: determinar, per operaci matematikala (procedo, moyeno), ye nombri donita (problemo), nombron quan onu serchas (solvuro). kalkular: (metaf.) agar sua aranji (procedo, moyeno), kombinar la kozi (materii, problemo), EGARDE DI la skopo (solvuro) atingenda. Kande "EGARDE DI" es tro forta, onu kompreninde kalkulas la solvuro. koquar: igar apta por manjeso, per la efiko da fairo : Onu igas karno per l'efiko da fairo kom apta por manjeso, Onu ne pluse povas igar Big-Mac itere kom apta, nam Big-Mac esas ja apta e manjebla ante omno avan lu. Exemple: problemo#1+problemo#2+problemo#3 ->funciono-prolog -> solvuro funciono-komputar(problemo#1,problemo#2,problemo#3)=solvuro dezirata Kande la rezulto es tro importanta, onu "NATURALE" komputas la solvuro. Per funciono-irga-operacar(materio)=rezulto o rezultajo, onu povas dicar: od Onu IRGA-operacas materio a/por rezulto, od tro naturale e homesale Onu IRGA-operacas rezulto de materio. Ma l'amba es multe okida* por ni. Nam ni sempre povas bone komprenar l'amba frazi e quale vu tre saje dicis, "nur pro ke Ti esas la defini", ni darfas libere definar segun prefero. Do onu povas felice INSTRUKTAR "vu" pri la logiko, od la logiko "a vu". -------------------------------------------------- Quale ni libere koquas karno o Big-Mac, ni povas komputar solvo o problemo. Omno dependeas ne de l'unika vereso di la kozi, ma de la defino da homi/ni. Kande vu profunde lernas stranjera linguo, lo-qua forsan afable-atakas vu, pro ke l'altra sistemo bone destruktas vua idei fixigita e liberigas vu. Me esencale esis viro de nekontebla idei ferme fixigita, ma multa linguachi kombatadis reciproke en me e me pensadis e questionadis kelka pro quo. Nun me esas hucpozo*, ma vu felice povus divenar altra Immanuel KANT.(^_^) ---------------------------------------------------------------- Kande unesme lektis libron da Zen-Budhisto ica hucpozo*, mea tota logikEGo autentika Aristotelana mokegis la febla logiko ibe deskriptita tre fole. --- Kande onu brulas brulligno, onu devas ne pensar ke la brulligno esas ante la cindri, nam la cindri povas esar ante la brulligno. --- Quante nelogikala la tre famoza Zen-Budhisto aspektis a me, filozofacho. Tamen nun me nule povas explikar lo, ma me povas nek negar nek refuzar lo. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Adio! .....sincere via, B.Y.T. .....Idisto ed Idiotisto pro mea limitizita edukado ed anke Ido-Kavaliero e shinko-aktoro di Teatro FilozofiACHala **************************************************************** Plez* indikar mea erori pri vorti, gramatiko, dicmaniero ec., nam me esas nura ne-edukito e devas lernar dum ke me vivas. Me sempre esperas, IDOLani, via amikeso por EXTRA prenar peno de via parto por instruktar me, qua durstas ye savo ulaspecala. Tamen en rara kazo kande me savas plu bone kam vi, me volunte transdonos mea humila savo a vi segun via bezoni. **************************************************************** ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/list/idolisto Free Web-based e-mail groups by eGroups.com From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 59 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 2740 invoked by uid 7770); 23 Mar 1999 22:26:55 -0000 Received: from farida.a2000.nl (HELO smtp1.a2000.nl) (62.108.1.19) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 23 Mar 1999 22:26:55 -0000 Received: from node118d7.a2000.nl ([24.132.24.215] helo=default.a2000.nl) by farida.a2000.nl with esmtp (Exim 2.02 #4) id 10PZdF-0007fF-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 23:26:45 +0100 From: "Ido-Info" To: "idolisto" Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 23:39:47 +0100 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: Subject: [ido] nova libri, Ido-hosti Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Kar amiki, Es pos la leciono, nun, e mea lernanto Jo Onvlee jus retroiris adheme. Me havas nur kelka tempo por respondar lo maxim importanta: Me ne savas la detali pri la "Bibliografio di Ido", editita da sioro Tazio Carlevaro, ma me propozas ke on ipsa sendez e-postala mesajo a lu: tcarlevaro@tinet.ch Me anke preparos nova edituro di "Esez Bon-venanta". Ol kontenas adresi di Idisti qui es komplezanta aceptar gasti Idista voyanta, deziras esar vizitata da Idisto voyajanta, o nur guidar od informar la voyajanto en/pri la lando, regiono, edc. Insertiti recevos gratuita exemplero di la kayero! Kar amiko Zeno, Me deziras sendar a vu listo di vorti komputorala, da R. Stevenson en Nov-Zelando, nia lontana Idisto en ta regiono. Voluntez donar a me vua adreso por ke me sendez la listo a vu (se vu ankore ne havas ol). Kar amiko Gon�alo Neves, Same kam sioro Carlo Nardini me anke es frapita da la beleso di vua poemo. Gratuli e voluntez...pluse di tala verki! Kar amiko Frank, Danko pro tua privata mesajo. Me regretas ke por okupar me pri la jerado di idolisto, nur erste lundio me havos tempo. Voluntez agar por me dum mea neposibleso di kun-jerado. Me kontaktos tu. Kar amiko James Chandler, Danko pro vua adreso e telefononumero. Me registragis oli. Kar amiko Eric Dickens, Me dankas tu pro la privata mesajo longa, ma tre interesanta, me imprimis ol. Tale me povos meditar pri tua propozi. Saluti amikala, Hans St. ************************************************ Ido, linguo internaciona! Absolute vizitez: http://members.tripod.com/~avancigado ************************************************ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/list/idolisto Free Web-based e-mail groups by eGroups.com From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 60 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 19899 invoked by uid 7770); 23 Mar 1999 22:57:36 -0000 Received: from lince.lander.es (195.76.46.35) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 23 Mar 1999 22:57:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 31106 invoked from network); 23 Mar 1999 22:57:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ppp-47-223.lander.es) (195.76.48.92) by lince.lander.es with SMTP; 23 Mar 1999 22:57:26 -0000 X-Sender: joser@lince.lander.es X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 To: idolisto@egroups.com From: "j.m.rodriguez" Subject: [ido] Ka pamfleto? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Estimat Amiko MARTIN: Me jus lektis Tua lasta mesajo ube mencionesas la tradukuro aden Ido dil Evangelio segun Santa Markus da Keven Ford. En Tua mesajo Tu citas ke: Omni lektos ica kristana pamfleto, mem la ne-kredanti e la ateisti! Nu, en Dyer aparas la vorto pamfleto sub la sequanta signifiko en l' angla linguo: pamphlet, this refers only to a pamphlet on a satirical or strongly controversal subject. (trad. pamfleto, ico referas nur pamfleto pri satirema o forte kontroversita temo -pardonez se me erore tradukis la texto nam me ne savas sat bone l' angla linguo-). Me pensas ke l'uzo dil vorto PAMFLETO ne is la maxim adequata. Me savas ke la baha'i-ani esas una dil maxim respektema kredanti, pro to me supozas ke Tu erore uzis ta vorto. Nu, me propozas un di ta vorti vice pamfleto se onu parolas pri kristana evangelio: libro - broshuro - tomo - skriburo - textaro - naraco. Amikala Saluti de Hispania. Jose Maria Rodriguez Hernandez joser@lander.es ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/list/idolisto Free Web-based e-mail groups by eGroups.com From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 61 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 31981 invoked by uid 7770); 24 Mar 1999 01:22:10 -0000 Received: from smtp04.wxs.nl (195.121.6.59) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 24 Mar 1999 01:22:10 -0000 Received: from pc ([195.121.78.31]) by smtp04.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with SMTP id AAA201A for ; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 02:22:04 +0100 Message-ID: <000201be7594$9a83efa0$1f4e79c3@pc> From: "Eric Dickens" To: "idolisto" Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 01:36:46 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Subject: [ido] milito Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit 24 marto 1999 Kar Amiki, Me facas joki, mokadi e burleski kun plezuro; ma la nuna situaciono es grava. Ica komplexa milito en Yugoslavia es timenda - la Balkani esis tro ofte la bersilo di plu vasta militi. Ma havas plu longa texto kontenanta t.e. questioni pri altri mondolingui, ma me vartas. Me esperas, ke nia samideani pensez profunde pro quo nia landi facas bombardadi. Ka ni povas devinor pacifisti? Quon pensas altri cibernauti? Saluti, Eric Dickens ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/list/idolisto Free Web-based e-mail groups by eGroups.com From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 62 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 529 invoked by uid 7770); 24 Mar 1999 06:55:51 -0000 Received: from www.minitel.net (HELO gmailint1.globalmail.net) (193.252.91.17) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 24 Mar 1999 06:55:51 -0000 Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 07:55:51 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <199903240655.HAA20321@gmailint1.globalmail.net> From: jeanmartignon@minitel.net (JEAN MARTIGNON) Reply-To: jeanmartignon@minitel.net To: idolisto@egroups.com (IDOLISTO) MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] Ka milito ? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Kara cibernauti, Responde a s-ro Dickens, me dicas ke nulu en Francia es entuziasmoza pri la partopreno di nia lando a la Balkana militacho. Ni ne komprenas pro quo nia lando mustas sempre partoprenar la militi decidita da Usa. Pluse, ni omna savas tro bone ke la militi en ica regiono di Europa tro facile divenachas plu generala militi . La Franca guverneriacho agas senreflekte , nam kande onu agas milito kontre ula lando, onu normale senliberigas la membri di ca lando. Nu, onu ne senliberigas la Serbi qui esas sat nombroza en Francia e povos tote bone havar terorista agadi . Multarelate e ne nur pro la milito-partopreno, la Franca guverneriacho esas malega plago por nia lando, pro lua nedemokrateso ed imensa stulteso. Kun kordiala ciberspacala saluti. jeanmartignon@minitel.net ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/list/idolisto Free Web-based e-mail groups by eGroups.com From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 63 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 18030 invoked by uid 7770); 24 Mar 1999 09:12:57 -0000 Received: from mout00.kundenserver.de (195.20.224.69) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 24 Mar 1999 09:12:57 -0000 Received: from [195.20.224.67] (helo=mx00.kundenserver.de) by mout00.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 10PjiM-0006sZ-00; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 10:12:42 +0100 Received: from [212.81.171.77] (helo=www) by mx00.kundenserver.de with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 10PjiL-0008Ao-00; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 10:12:42 +0100 Message-ID: <001201be75d6$5041e720$4dab51d4@www.fen.baynet.de> From: "Frank Kasper" To: "Martin Lavallee" Cc: "Idolisto (Mesaji)" Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 10:04:13 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Subject: [ido] Re: novajgrupo Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kara amiko Marteno! Me kordialege dankas a vu por vua plusa explikaji relate la projeto krear novaj-grupo che "Usenet". Vua optimismo ed entuziasmo vere esas admirinda. Per vua argumenti vu fine konvinkis me nun anke sustenar la projeto. Specale anke vua explikaji plezis a me, quan vu facas, se ne esas respondebla mesaji che vu. Me volunte transsendos vua explikaji ad Alfred Neussner e Guenter Anton. Do, me ankorfoye votos ad http://www.egroups.com/info/top?murl=/vote%3fmethod%3ddisplayallvotes%26list name%3didolisto , ma cafoye per "Yes". Me anke prezente esas sat okupata per altra aferi, se ne esas respondebla lertri od e-postala mesaji. Tamen me regretas la duranta apene funcionata Ido-korespondo per kustumala letri. Kun la maxim kordiala ed amikala saluti! Vua amiko Frank frank.kasper@idolinguo.de - webmaster@idolinguo.de ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/list/idolisto Free Web-based e-mail groups by eGroups.com From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 64 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 15670 invoked by uid 7770); 24 Mar 1999 13:20:52 -0000 Received: from mail2.deltanet.com (199.171.190.56) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 24 Mar 1999 13:20:52 -0000 Received: from ts007d41.lax-ca.concentric.net (ts007d41.lax-ca.concentric.net [206.173.240.101]) by mail2.deltanet.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id FAA07986 for ; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 05:20:50 -0800 (PST) From: zeno@deltanet.com (Zeno) To: idolisto@egroups.com Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 13:19:42 GMT Message-ID: <36f9d171.157441327@smtp.deltanet.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] Me pregas a vi, VOTEZ ! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Idolani, Voluntez votar. Votez yes, votez ne, ma me pregas, votez! Yen l= a adreso: http://www.egroups.com/info/top?murl=3D/vote%3fmethod%3ddisplaya= llvotes%26listname%3didolisto Usenet esas logikala labororeto, qua povas e= xistar kun o sen la interreto. Usenet extensas plu fore kam la interreto. = Se vu kredas ke Ido devas esar disponebla por la maxim multa homi kam posi= ble, lore voluntez irar a la supera adreso e votez yes ! Se vu kredas ke h= omi qua darfas acesar komputoro ma ne la interreto devas havar la kapableso= sendar mesaji en Ido, lore votez yes ! VOTEZ YES, VOTEZ NE, MA ME PREGAS,= VOTEZ ! http://www.egroups.com/info/top?murl=3D/vote%3fmethod%3ddisplayall= votes%26listname%3didolisto Mesaji qua sendesas ye Usenet ne esas kontroli= ta da irgu. Se vu kredas ke persono en Kosavo qua lernis Ido devas havar l= a kapableso anonime sendar mesajo ad altra Idisti sen ke la mesajo mustas v= oyajar tra centrala listo-servilo qua povus efacar la mesajo, lore voluntez= irar a la supera adreso e votez yes ! Se vu kredas ke homi devas havar la= libereso por dicar irgo en publika forumo interretala, lore votez yes ! V= OTEZ YES, VOTEZ NE, MA ME PREGAS, VOTEZ ! http://www.egroups.com/info/top?m= url=3D/vote%3fmethod%3ddisplayallvotes%26listname%3didolisto Se ca forumo = divenus ruptita, lore Usenet ankore duros. Se la precipua interreto-spino = divenus ruptita, lore Usenet ankore duros. Se vu kredas ke Ido devas havar = lua ipsa vivo interretala qua ne povas mortar, lore votez yes ! VOTEZ YES= , VOTEZ NE, MA ME PREGAS, VOTEZ ! http://www.egroups.com/info/top?murl=3D/v= ote%3fmethod%3ddisplayallvotes%26listname%3didolisto Se lando tranchus la = eposto e HTTP konektaji ye altra landi, lore la populo ankore povus lektar = e skribar a Usenet. Usenet esis la forumo qua permisas homi en landi komun= istala demolisar la muro di Berlin. Usenet esis la forumo qua uzesis notifi= kar la mondo pri la acidento nukleala en Chernobyl kande la guvernerio esfo= rcis celar ol. Se vu kredas ke homi devas havar la kapableso dicar a la mo= ndo tale importanta fakti, lore votez yes ! Se vu kredas ke guvernerii ne = devas havar la kapableso preventar lia civitani de dicar a la mondo irgo qu= a li deziras, lore votez yes ! VOTEZ YES, VOTEZ NE, MA ME PREGAS, VOTEZ ! = http://www.egroups.com/info/top?murl=3D/vote%3fmethod%3ddisplayallvotes%26l= istname%3didolisto Me pregas, votez nun! - Zeno -----------------------= -------------------------------------------------- eGroup home: http://www.e= Groups.com/list/idolisto Free Web-based e-mail groups by eGroups.com From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 65 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 462 invoked by uid 7770); 24 Mar 1999 14:56:02 -0000 Received: from hermes.ex.ac.uk (HELO exeter.ac.uk) (144.173.6.14) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 24 Mar 1999 14:56:02 -0000 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (OAA08196); Wed, 24 Mar 1999 14:55:51 GMT Received: from maths.exeter.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 14:55:50 GMT From: chandler@maths.ex.ac.uk Message-Id: <13970.9903241455@maths.exeter.ac.uk> To: idolisto@egroups.com (Idolisto) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 99 14:55:47 GMT X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL3] Subject: [ido] adio Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kar amiki, Ica mesajo es mea lasta ad Idolisto. Morge me translojos ad altra parto di la lando. Me forsan havos sporadika aceso al interreto, ma prego konsiderez me kom livinta pos hodie. Me multe juabas mantenar Idol ed Idolisto dum la pasinta preske du yari, e plezas me ke ol sucesabas atraktar ed anciena e nova idisti. Me deziras a Frank e Hans omna suceso pri lia futura administro di Idolisto, e pri interesar retani pri nia linguo ed ideo. Mea Ido-laboro nature duros dum mea absenteso de la reto per plu tradicional metodi. Pos ica mesajo me desabonos de la listo. Do, adio, ed adavane vers vere granda e richa Ido-movemento! Kun maxim kordial saluti ad omni, James Chandler. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/list/idolisto Free Web-based e-mail groups by eGroups.com From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 66 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 28198 invoked by uid 7770); 24 Mar 1999 15:43:19 -0000 Received: from dipobox.sis.it (193.70.16.1) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 24 Mar 1999 15:43:19 -0000 Received: from lizard [193.70.17.55] with smtp by dipobox.sis.it with smtp (Smail-3.2.0.101 1997-Dec-17 #8 #8) id m10Ppox-0008u4C; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 16:43:55 +0100 (GMT+0100) Message-Id: Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 16:43:55 +0100 (GMT+0100) X-Sender: narcar@mailserver.sis.it X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 To: idolisto@egroups.com From: Nardini Carlo Subject: [ido] votar Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sro Zeno, 20/03 vu skribis: >Voluntez irar a la retosituo qua esas en la mesajo ... > http://www.egroups.com/vote?id=921963353662 >... e votez ibe. Lore on povas irar a ... > http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ >... , klikitar ye "Polls", e vidas la rezultaji di la votado. me iris e votis (yes); me klikis "Polls" e vidis nulo. 24/03 vu skribas: >Voluntez votar. Votez yes, votez ne, ma me pregas, votez! >Yen la adreso: >http://www.egroups.com/info/top?murl= >/vote%3fmethod%3ddisplayallvotes%26listname%3didolisto Ka onu devas rivotar anke ye la nova adreso? Ye la nova adreso, quale avanirar? quo esas ca pasvorto? Voluntez explikar. Kordiale, Carlo Nardini ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/list/idolisto Free Web-based e-mail groups by eGroups.com From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 67 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 32530 invoked by uid 7770); 24 Mar 1999 17:38:03 -0000 Received: from f208.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (207.82.251.99) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 24 Mar 1999 17:38:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 27650 invoked by uid 0); 24 Mar 1999 17:38:03 -0000 Message-ID: <19990324173803.27649.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 206.167.80.240 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 09:38:02 PST From: "Martin Lavallee" To: idolisto@egroups.com Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 09:38:02 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] Ka pamfleto? Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Estimat Amiko Jose Maria Rodriguez Hernandez: Me komprenas la opiniono di vu e future egardos ol. Me uzis �pamfleto� segun tre larja defino: verketo qua propagas laideo di Deo amoza e kontreas la fanatikismo religial. Komprenende Bah�'u'll�h konfirmas ke la evangelio originas ek Deo. Maxim amike vin salutas, Martin >Me jus lektis Tua lasta mesajo ube mencionesas la tradukuro aden Ido dil >Evangelio segun Santa Markus da Keven Ford. En Tua mesajo Tu citas ke: >Omni lektos ica kristana pamfleto, mem la ne-kredanti e la ateisti! > >Nu, en Dyer aparas la vorto pamfleto sub la sequanta signifiko en l' angla >linguo: pamphlet, this refers only to a pamphlet on a satirical or strongly >controversal subject. (trad. pamfleto, ico referas nur pamfleto pri >satirema o forte kontroversita temo -pardonez se me erore tradukis la texto >nam me ne savas sat bone l' angla linguo-). > >Me pensas ke l'uzo dil vorto PAMFLETO ne is la maxim adequata. Me savas ke >la baha'i-ani esas una dil maxim respektema kredanti, pro to me supozas ke >Tu erore uzis ta vorto. Nu, me propozas un di ta vorti vice pamfleto se onu >parolas pri kristana evangelio: > >libro - broshuro - tomo - skriburo - textaro - naraco. > >Amikala Saluti de Hispania. >Jose Maria Rodriguez Hernandez >joser@lander.es > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >What's everyone looking at? Check out the Top40 most requested stocks! >Plus quotes, charts, news, portfolios, mutual funds, and discussion. >All free, fast, and easy. Visit: http://www.stockmaster.com/?a=f5 > >eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/list/idolisto >Free Web-based e-mail groups by eGroups.com > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/list/idolisto Free Web-based e-mail groups by eGroups.com From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 68 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 669 invoked by uid 7770); 24 Mar 1999 21:39:15 -0000 Received: from smtp04.wxs.nl (195.121.6.59) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 24 Mar 1999 21:39:15 -0000 Received: from pc ([195.121.77.214]) by smtp04.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with SMTP id AAAD9A for ; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 22:39:12 +0100 Message-ID: <000201be763e$a222eb80$d64d79c3@pc> From: "Eric Dickens" To: "idolisto" Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 22:17:00 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Subject: [ido] milito en kosovo - itere Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit 24 marto 1999 Kara sro Martignon, kar amiki, Responde a sro Martignon pri la milito en Kosovo: Sive ulu hike en Nederlando es entuziasmoza pri la partopreno di nia landi en la milito en la Balkano me ne savas. Ma me opinionas, ke la situaciono es komplexa. Nederlandana soldati havis experienco de Bosnia. Es fakto, ke en Kosovo es ne-demokrata rejimo dil Serbi, UCK-trupi qua es liberiganti o teroristi, dependante de la vidpunto, ed altri homi asasin(es)as, masakr(es)as, ocid(es). Anke la civila populo. Me agnoskas: me ipsa ne volas militar en la Balkano, speciale se mea kadavro rivenus adheme en "body-bag". Me ne esas heroulo e ne specale militema. Ma la paradoxo es, ke ni en Europa sempre opinionas, ke ube homi masakras on povus co facar. Do ni havas du alternativi: sive permisar, ke homi ocidesas e samtempe regardar to qua eventas en Balkano kom cowboy-filmo, sive nia landi facas ulo, irge quanta neperfekta. (Me ne esas suportanto di la "American Way of Life". Ma me konacas nomi en la kultura mondo, exemple Emily Dickinson e Wallace Stevens, anke Walker Percy, qui es subtila homi, vere kulturala homi. Tamen ico es ne-relevanta nun.) Nun me pensas: pro quo ni Europani, qui havas proxime du mil yari di kulturo, l'egliso, humanismo, e.c. vartas, kom en la Duesma Mondomilito til le cowboys salvas nin? Diferante de sro Chandler me esas suportanto dil Uniono Europano. Ma me ne es tote naiva. E me esas joyoza, ke le Cresson, Marin e.c. esas nun fore. Tamen, me esas reformisto, ne revolutionisto. E pensas anke, ke radikala "no far niente" en la Balkani esas tro. La Albani ne esas anjeli ma me ne komprenas 100% pacifismo kande homi en la Balkani ocidesas. Quo eventas se on es Albana pacifisto en Kosovo? Me timas, ke on ocidesas. Es, agnoskante, grand ironio, ke ni ne sempre povas vivar tre pacoze kun od inter omna Mohamedisti en Europa, e nun multa "All-American Boys" (kelkatempe negri!) mortos por, yes, nia Europana Mohamedisti-Albani! Naturale l'USA havas strategiala motivi, ma ka Vu pensas, ke Amerikani es nur materialisti-vinkeri sen ideali? Ka la blotisanta Europana membri di NATO dominesas e tiranesas da Yankie-bravachi? L'Arabi ne facas ulon por sua sam-Mohamedisti en Kosovo. Forsan la USAni ed Europani demonstras, ke on havas morala devo. Ka toto en nia evoza Europa es cinikeso e hipokriteso? Saluti, Eric Dickens ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/list/idolisto Free Web-based e-mail groups by eGroups.com From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 69 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 1070 invoked by uid 7770); 25 Mar 1999 02:50:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mga2.primo.co.jp) (210.145.40.130) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 25 Mar 1999 02:50:07 -0000 Received: from mga2.primo.co.jp (unverified [210.145.40.140]) by mga2.primo.co.jp (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 11:53:09 +0900 Message-ID: From: "Bebson Y. TAKATA" To: "IDOLISTO" Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 11:43:13 +0900 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] Pri pamfleto. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Kara Sri Cibernauti: **************************************************************** Kara Sro Frank KASPER:#1 Danko pro vua amikala informajo. **************************************************************** Me standas bone, lo-quan�me anke esperas che vu. Ecepte vu e Sro Hans STUIFBERGEN, kande onu eniras hempagino di www.egroups e klikas "members", ordinara membro recevas sequanta neamikala mesajo: Sorry, the policy for this group is to have no member listing, not even for group members. -> Ma vu ne remarkas lo, nam vu es kontrolanto. **************************************************************** Estimata e Beste vriend Sro Hans STUIFBERGEN:#1 Multa danko! **************************************************************** Hiere me recevis vua KORDIEGO GEYAL e LEKTIS kun joyo ed intereso. Me rilernas valoroza vorti pri sexuo, quin me oblivieskas uzar mealatere. **************************************************************** Kara Sro Jose' Mari'a RODRI'GUEZ HERNAN'DEZ:#2 Pri pamfleto. **************************************************************** En l'epoko di Sro DYER, la vorto "pamfleto" esis ofte e chefe por propagado politikala e suficante demagogioza. Ma l'implikajo multege chanjabas. Me pensas ke nun es okida* uzar la vorto quale facis Sro Maritn LAVALLE'E. **************************************************************** Kara Sro Zeno EXE:#2 Me demandus pardon-es?-o kontre mea hucpo*. **************************************************************** ]E vu ne bezonas dicar pardonESo (Angla forgiveness) por pardono, nam ] pardonESo esas poke nelogikala por me, ma pardon-EM-ES-o esas O.K. >'Pardoneso' = "the quality of forgive (forgiveness)" NE! segun Zeno > "the quality to forgive". Se 'pardoneso' = "the quality to forgive" lore > 'pardonemeso' = "the quality of someone who is inclined to forgive", ed > evidente, la sufixo '-eso-' nun divenas neutila. >'Beleso' ne esas "beauty", ma vice "the quality to beautify"; >'exhausteso' ne esas "exhaustion" ma vice "the quality to exhaust". >'-es-' venas de 'esar', ne de 'agar'. >'Pardonemeso' semblas nelogikala A/POR me (ne POR). -> Amba es okida*! ]Ico ne esas problemo di gramatiko, ma stilo. Do onu facas segun prefero. Me parolas pri vua pardoneso, nam chefe pri stilo ma poke pri gramatiko. ** adjektivo-es-o = the quality of being adjektiva ** beleso = the quality of being beautiful -> beauty ** substantivo-es-o = the quality of being substantivo ** infanteso = the quality of being a child -> childhood, childishness ** verbo-es-o = the quality to do or state of being [or having] done ** exhausteso = the state of being [or having] exhausted -> exhaustion expanseso = the state of being [or having] expanded -> expansion inklineso = the quality to incline permananteso = the quality to be permanent persuadeso = the quality or power to persuade -> persuading, persuasion redakteso = the quality, manner or style to edit -> style of editing pardoneso = the quality to forgive, the state of being forgiven ** verbo-emes-o = the willingness to do, the inclination to do ** pardonemeso = the willingness to forgive >Me demandus vua pardoneso. Unesme me pensis yene: I'd like to ask you the quality to forgive. (For what? For you to wear?) >Me demandus vua pardoneso. Duesme me ripensis yene: I'd like to ask you the state of being forgiven. (Whose state by whom?) I'd like to ask you my state of being forgiven by you. -> Okida*!. I'd like to ask you your state of being forgiven by somebody. -> What? You are not wrong in having said so, but this is too ambiguous for me. Lo es pro ke me dicis ke vua frazo ne esas de "bona stilo". >Me demandus vua pardonemeso. I'd like to ask you (your) willingness to forgive (me). -> Okida*! I'd like to ask you my willingness to forgive you. Nobody thinks this way. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Adio! .....sincere via, B.Y.T. .....Idisto ed Idiotisto pro mea limitizita edukado ed anke Ido-Kavaliero kun multa defekti e numeroza erori **************************************************************** Plez* indikar mea erori pri vorti, gramatiko, dicmaniero ec., nam me esas nura ne-edukito e devas lernar dum ke me vivas. Me sempre esperas, samideani, via amikeso por EXTRA prenar peno de via parto por instruktar me, qua durstas ye savo ulaspecala. Tamen en rara kazo kande me savas plu bone kam vi, me volunte transdonos mea humila savo a vi segun via bezoni. **************************************************************** ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/list/idolisto Free Web-based e-mail groups by eGroups.com From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 70 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 23967 invoked by uid 7770); 25 Mar 1999 10:31:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mga2.primo.co.jp) (210.145.40.130) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 25 Mar 1999 10:31:44 -0000 Received: from mga2.primo.co.jp (unverified [210.145.40.140]) by mga2.primo.co.jp (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 19:34:57 +0900 Message-ID: From: "Bebson Y. TAKATA" To: "IDOLISTO" Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 19:20:09 +0900 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] Kungfuisti ne prizas militi. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kara Sri Cibernauti:#1 Generalajo #2 Linguo #3 Politiko #4 Religio **************************************************************** Kara Sro Eric DICKENS:#3 Pri irga milito **************************************************************** >Ma la paradoxo es, ke ni en Europa sempre opinionas, ke ube homi masakras >on povus co facar. Do ni havas du alternativi: SIVE permisar, ke homi >ocidesas e samtempe regardar to qua eventas en Balkano kom cowboy-filmo, >SIVE nia landi facas ulo, irge quanta neperfekta. -> Neperfektajo es O.K. >Me ne esas suportanto di la "American Way of Life". -> Nek me! >Nun me pensas: pro quo ni Europani, qui havas proxime du mil yari di >kulturo, l'egliso, humanismo, e.c. vartas, kom en la Duesma Mondomilito >til le cowboys salvas nin? Diferante de sro Chandler me esas suportanto >dil Uniono Europano. Ma me ne es tote naiva. -> Anke me esas suportanto! >E me esas joyoza, ke le Cresson, Marin e.c. esas nun fore. Tamen, me esas >reformisto, ne revolutionisto. E pensas anke, ke radikala "no far niente" >en la Balkani esas tro. La Albani ne esas anjeli ma me ne komprenas 100% >pacifismo kande homi en la Balkani ocidesas. Quo eventas se on es Albana >pacifisto en Kosovo? Me timas, ke on ocidesas. -> Omna masokisti mortos. >Es, agnoskante, grand ironio, ke ni ne sempre povas vivar tre pacoze kun >od inter omna Mohamedisti en Europa, e nun multa "All-American Boys" >(kelkatempe negri!) mortos por, yes, nia Europana Mohamedisti-Albani! >Naturale l'USA havas strategiala motivi, ma ka Vu pensas, -> kredas... > ke Amerikani es nur materialisti-vinkeri sen ideali? Ka la blotisanta > Europana membri di NATO dominesas e tiranesas da Yankie-bravachi? >L'Arabi ne facas ulon por sua sam-Mohamedisti en Kosovo. -> Nula profito. >Forsan la USAni ed Europani demonstras, ke on havas morala devo. >Ka toto en nia evoza Europa es cinikeso e hipokriteso? -> Ho, Ne! Me tote konsentas kun vu. Vu aspektas expresar bona sentado o razonado. Kom Kungfuisto, me quik fugas de irga kombati, kande me povas, nam me tre pavoras de irga mikra batalii. Me ne tre prizas facile-perdar mea vivo. Kande me ne povas fugar, per mea tota kapableso me esforcas bone bataliar. Karl von CLAUSEWITZ olim dicis ke la milito es extensajo di diplomaco. Mea lontana parento Sro Moyshe Yehuda HOCHFELD (TAKATA) olim instruktis me, dicante ke la milito es extensajo di ekonomio por la batalianta naciono. Kande la naciono ne povas ganar profito, li saje ne militas de sua latero quale vu dicis ke l'Arabi facas nulo por sua sam-Mohamedisti en Kosovo. En l'epoko di Hitler, preske tota Europa esis pacifisto regardante la ceno ed evitante omna danjero falar aden milito. E quon li recevis pos omno? Pos la Duesma Mondomilito, la politikisti komprenis ke li devez prenar la danjero ante omno, se li ne povas fugar la vartanta danjero neevitebla. To esas la maxim ekonomiala moyeno por omna guvernamento di la nacioni. Quante plu longe li fugas - Tante plu multe li pagos la kustego pose. En moderna tempo, la povoza majoritato ne bone povas opresar la minoritato. La Serbi a l'Albani, La Turki ed Iraki a Kurdi, La Judi a Palestinani. Nek facile gentocidar la rasi quale nia ancestri tro ofte facis irgaloke. Nam la minoritato nule masakresas ma kontrebatalios kun omna pasioni. Amba majoritato e minoritato sencese kombatos en marsho di fango-feko. La maxim ed unika saja maniero es haltigar opresado ma helpar la minoritato ed ekonomikale developar li por ke li povez asimilar su a la majoritato. La Serbi sempre opresadis l'Albani e nun ta-qui devas recevar la rezulo. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Adio! .....sincere via, B.Y.T. .....Idisto ed Idiotisto pro mea limitizita edukado ed anke Ido-Kavaliero e shinko-aktoro di Teatro FilozofiACHala **************************************************************** Plez* indikar mea erori pri vorti, gramatiko, dicmaniero ec., nam me esas nura ne-edukito e devas lernar dum ke me vivas. Me sempre esperas, samideani, via amikeso por EXTRA prenar peno de via parto por instruktar me, qua durstas ye savo ulaspecala. Tamen en rara kazo kande me savas plu bone kam vi, me volunte transdonos mea humila savo a vi segun via bezoni. **************************************************************** ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/list/idolisto Free Web-based e-mail groups by eGroups.com From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 71 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 6926 invoked by uid 7770); 25 Mar 1999 16:42:33 -0000 Received: from mail2.deltanet.com (199.171.190.56) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 25 Mar 1999 16:42:33 -0000 Received: from ts012d45.lax-ca.concentric.net (ts012d45.lax-ca.concentric.net [206.173.241.105]) by mail2.deltanet.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id IAA29734 for ; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 08:42:28 -0800 (PST) From: zeno@deltanet.com (Zeno) To: idolisto@egroups.com Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 16:42:24 GMT Message-ID: <36fa612f.3389413@smtp.deltanet.com> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] Re: votar Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sioro Nardini, Forsan un ek du kozi eventus. Forsan on mustas abonar a la= grupo ante ke on povas votar. Kande on iras a http://www.egroups.com/list= /idolisto/ , on vidos un ek du frazi (sub la menuo qua dicas Home | Calenda= r | Folders | Members | Polls): Se vu vidas la sequanta: Join: This e-g= roup is open to anyone. Click here to subscribe: ...lore on probable mustas= kliketar la butono "Subscribe" ed abonez a la grupo. Co ne chanjos ke on = recevas la mesaji per eposto, lu simple permisos ke on povas facar altra ko= zi uzante onua teloregardilo (altra kozi quale votar, edc.). Se vu vidas l= a sequanta: Membership: You are a member of this e-group. Click here to = modify your subscription: ...lore on ja abonis a la grupo, e forsan la URL = qua me inkluzis en mea mesajo esas nekorekta. Forsan ita URL esas nur por = la persono qua kreis la voto (ho!). Me sugestas ke vu irez ad http://www.e= groups.com/list/idolisto/ . Se vu vidas "Click here to subscribe", lore kl= ikitez la butono ed abonez a la grupo. Se vu vidas "You are a member of th= is e-group", od vu facis la supera ago, lore klikitez "Polls" sur la menuo,= e votez. Se vu ankore havas problemo, voluntez sendez a me altra mesajo, = pro ke esas tre importanta ke omnu povas votar ! Danko, Sioro Nardini, = - Zeno ------------------------------------------------------------------= ------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/list/idolisto Free Web-based e-m= ail groups by eGroups.com From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 72 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 32593 invoked by uid 7770); 25 Mar 1999 18:29:15 -0000 Received: from mout00.kundenserver.de (195.20.224.69) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 25 Mar 1999 18:29:15 -0000 Received: from [195.20.224.67] (helo=mx00.kundenserver.de) by mout00.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 10QEsU-0001yd-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 19:29:14 +0100 Received: from [212.81.173.136] (helo=www) by mx00.kundenserver.de with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 10QEsU-0006LQ-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 19:29:14 +0100 Message-ID: <001b01be76ed$36393c80$88ad51d4@www.fen.baynet.de> From: "Frank Kasper" To: "IDOLISTO" Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 19:04:47 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Subject: [ido] Re: Listo de membri Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kara amiki! Me kordialege dankas a Bebson por lua importanta remarko. Lu esas justa, ke me mem atingas omna tereni de nia nova Ido-listo sen problemi e lore ne povas remarkar la desfacilaji che altri. Morge me probos atingar la listo kun altra komputoro extere de mea lojeyo por ipsa regardar, quon la membri, qui ne administras la listo, povas atingar ibe. Relate la listo de membri me nur povas propozar, ke ti, qui volas recevar ol kontaktez me. Prezente ni esas cirkume 40 membri. Kun la maxim kordiala ed amikala saluti! Frank Kasper frank.kasper@idolinguo.de - webmaster@idolinguo.de ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/list/idolisto Free Web-based e-mail groups by eGroups.com From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 73 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 32633 invoked by uid 7770); 25 Mar 1999 18:29:20 -0000 Received: from mout00.kundenserver.de (195.20.224.69) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 25 Mar 1999 18:29:20 -0000 Received: from [195.20.224.67] (helo=mx00.kundenserver.de) by mout00.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 10QEsT-0001yX-00; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 19:29:13 +0100 Received: from [212.81.173.136] (helo=www) by mx00.kundenserver.de with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 10QEsR-0006LQ-00; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 19:29:11 +0100 Message-ID: <001a01be76ed$34c7f940$88ad51d4@www.fen.baynet.de> From: "Frank Kasper" To: "Zeno" , Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 18:57:40 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Subject: [ido] Re: Me pregas a vi, VOTEZ ! Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kara amiki! Me volas sustenar l' advoko de nia kara amiko Zeno votar por o kontre la propozo da lu krear Ido-novajgrupo che "Usenet". Ni vere devez uzar la nova posiblesi addonita a ni per nia nova Ido-forumo komune decidar o votar relate propozi, quale ni povas difuzar nia linguo. Pro to esas kelke depesita por me regardar, ke pos kin dii erste quar personi uzis la nova posibleso donar lia voco pro la propozo da Zeno e ke inter li esas nula komitatano dil DK. Me okazione ankorfoye volas mencionar, ke segun mea opiniono urjante esas necesa, ke la membri dil DK aktiveskez lia kunlaboro kun la bazo, qua anke signifikas, ke la ret-atingebla komitatani aktive kundiskutez en nia forumo. Ni devez asembligar nia aktivesi sub la "tekto" de la ULI por fine komune sucesar krear agreabla Ido-movado! Pro to me volas kurajigar la komitatani Jacques Bol, Robert Carnaghan, Jean Martignon e Hans Stuifbergen e kompreneble anke omna altri membri di nia Ido-forumo, qui ankore ne votis, facar lo tam balde kam posible. Do, me ankorfoye volas repetar la prego da Zeno: Voluntez votar. Votez yes, votez ne, ma me pregas, votez! Yen la adreso: http://www.egroups.com/info/top?murl=/vote%3fid%3d921963353662%26frame%3d2 Remarko da me:Per ca adreso insertita da me vu direte atingas la vot-formularo. Voluntez selektar ibe "Yes" o "No" e kliktez sur "Submit" e vua votado esos registrata. Kun la maxim kordiala ed amikala saluti a vi omni! Frank Kasper frank.kasper@idolinguo.de - webmaster@idolinguo.de ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/list/idolisto Free Web-based e-mail groups by eGroups.com From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 74 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 7295 invoked by uid 7770); 25 Mar 1999 18:43:24 -0000 Received: from m6.egroups.com (HELO findmail.com) (207.138.41.152) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 25 Mar 1999 18:43:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 30534 invoked by uid 505); 25 Mar 1999 18:43:25 -0000 Date: 25 Mar 1999 18:43:25 -0000 Message-ID: <19990325184325.30533.qmail@findmail.com> From: "eGroups.com Poll Results" To: idolisto@egroups.com Subject: [ido] Voting Results: Krear Usenet-grupi Idala Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Here are the results of the vote: Yes zeno@deltanet.com esperantomarten@rocketmail.com pharris@jimbeam.co.uk dmitri_laptsionak@epam.com frank.kasper@idolinguo.de takata@h.primo.co.jp mcnittme@juno.com ----- See the results at http://www.eGroups.com/vote?vid=idolisto ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/list/idolisto Free Web-based e-mail groups by eGroups.com From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 75 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 11395 invoked by uid 7770); 25 Mar 1999 18:50:38 -0000 Received: from m8.egroups.com (HELO findmail.com) (207.138.41.154) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 25 Mar 1999 18:50:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 18138 invoked by uid 505); 25 Mar 1999 18:50:39 -0000 Date: 25 Mar 1999 18:50:39 -0000 Message-ID: <19990325185039.18137.qmail@findmail.com> From: frank.kasper@idolinguo.de To: idolisto@egroups.com Subject: [ido] RSVP: Ka ni volas krear novajgrupo che "Usenet"? Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Voluntez votar hike relate la propozo da Zeno krear novajgrupo che "Usenet"!! ---- Please select one of the following: o Friday, 12th o Friday, 19th by going to the following Web form: http://www.egroups.com/vote?id=922387838412 Thank you! ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/list/idolisto Free Web-based e-mail groups by eGroups.com From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 77 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 14033 invoked by uid 7770); 25 Mar 1999 18:55:14 -0000 Received: from m9.egroups.com (HELO findmail.com) (207.138.41.155) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 25 Mar 1999 18:55:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 27980 invoked by uid 505); 25 Mar 1999 18:55:14 -0000 Date: 25 Mar 1999 18:55:14 -0000 Message-ID: <19990325185514.27979.qmail@findmail.com> From: frank.kasper@idolinguo.de To: idolisto@egroups.com Subject: [ido] RSVP: Ka ni volas krear Ido-novajgrupo che "Usenet"? Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Voluntez votar hike, ka ni volas krear novajgrupo che "Usenet" segun la propozo da Zeno. Til la 25ma di marto 1999 votis sep idolistani per "Yes" ---- Please select one of the following: o Yes o No by going to the following Web form: http://www.egroups.com/vote?id=922388114477 Thank you! ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/list/idolisto Free Web-based e-mail groups by eGroups.com From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 78 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 6341 invoked by uid 7770); 25 Mar 1999 19:42:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO epms3.ep.minsk.by) (194.226.122.227) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 25 Mar 1999 19:42:30 -0000 Received: by EPMS3 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 21:42:56 +0200 Message-ID: <8D76D48EDDD3D211AC3000A0C98212E703A785@EPMSA001> From: "Dmitri P. Laptsionak" To: 'IDOLISTO' Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 21:42:49 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Subject: [ido] LIBERO Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1251" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Saluto ad omni. Yen esas mea unesma probo tradukar. Me ne savas multa vorti, do me uzis le angla. Bonvolez korektigar erori e mankanta vorti. LIBERO Viola Marioni (Mexika) - Vu esas libera. - Danko, sioro. - Vu esas libera. - Danko, sioro. - Vu esas absolute libera e povas irar ad-ube vu volas e dicar irgo vu volas. - Granda danko, sioro. - Pro quo ya vu ne dicas irgo vu volas? - Me ja dicis. - Quon vu dicis? Kande? Me ankore nulo audis. - Me dicis "Granda danko". - Poke. Vu povas irar ad-ube vu volas, dansetante e saltante pro joyo di to, ke vu esas absolute libera e povas dicar irgo vu volas. - Me dansetas. - Vu base dansetas. Vu havas plena raito alte saltadar sur un pedo, por ke omni de fore povez vidar, ke nulu impedas a vu dansetadar pro joyo. Yen tale. Nun ja plu bone. - Bonvolez dicar, sioro, ka me darfas por ne-longe finar (A. to cease, Esp. cxesi) dansado pro joyo e stepeskar* (A. to step)? Ya me poke pantis* (perdis la spiro) (A. to pant, be out of breath). - Vartez minuto. Me mustas lektar en la instrucioni. Yen, komento ad artiklo 6: "De joya saltado esas liberigata personi, sufranta de pos-resta fenomeni di yuneva poliomielito*". - Granda danko, sioro. Me almene rispiros* (A. to take breath) ... - Ne stepeskez* - vu ankore ne montris atestilo pri pos-resta poliomielito. - Pardonez, sioro, me ne savas, qua vu esas ... - Me esas instruktisto pri lernigado (instruktado) a populo quale uzar senlimita libero. - Danko, granda danko. E dicez, sioro instruktisto pri lernigado di uzado, ka me darfas ... - Ne darfas. Ne distraktesez. Saltadez pro joyo. Plu alte, plu alte, plu salte ... Zmicier Lapcionak ------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/list/idolisto Free Web-based e-mail groups by eGroups.com From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 79 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 3806 invoked by uid 7770); 25 Mar 1999 20:36:18 -0000 Received: from m4.egroups.com (HELO findmail.com) (207.138.41.151) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 25 Mar 1999 20:36:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 8017 invoked by uid 505); 25 Mar 1999 20:40:03 -0000 Date: 25 Mar 1999 20:40:03 -0000 Message-ID: <19990325204003.8016.qmail@findmail.com> From: frank.kasper@01019freenet.de To: idolisto@egroups.com Subject: [ido] RSVP: Ka ni devez krear novajgrupo che "Usenet?" Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Voluntez votar, ka vu konformas kun la propozo da Zeno krear Ido-novajgrupo che "Usenet"! Til la 25ma di marto votis ok membri de "Idolisto". ---- Please select one of the following: o Yes o No by going to the following Web form: http://www.egroups.com/vote?id=922394402639 Thank you! ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/list/idolisto Free Web-based e-mail groups by eGroups.com From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 80 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 24138 invoked by uid 7770); 25 Mar 1999 21:12:05 -0000 Received: from www.minitel.net (HELO gmailint1.globalmail.net) (193.252.91.17) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 25 Mar 1999 21:12:05 -0000 Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 22:12:04 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <199903252112.WAA11878@gmailint1.globalmail.net> From: jeanmartignon@minitel.net (JEAN MARTIGNON) Reply-To: jeanmartignon@minitel.net To: idolisto@egroups.com (IDOLISTO) MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] Europana Uniono Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Kara cibernauti, Nia samideano, s-ro Takata esas favoroza ad Europana Uniono, ma me konjektas ke ito debesas ye la fakto ke il es Japono e ne lojas en Europa. Certe ni Europani aceptas la ideo di Europa, ma kondicione ke Europa esez plu granda Suisia e ne vasala lando di Usa. Ni, nun, implikesas en milito quan ni ne komprenas por servar probable la interesti dil Usana imperio (la imperio di qua ni esas provinci)ito ne esas Europa pri qua ni povas revar... Certe esas multa des-yustaji facita dal Serbi en Kosovo, ma esas anke multa des- yustaji facita dal Turki kontre la Kurdi od en Sudan esas vera gentocido kontre la Kristani. Tamen NATO ne agas ibe pro humanoza motivi, dum ke ol pretextas agar pro ica motivi en Kosovo. Pro quo esas ita difero ? Me esos entuziasmoza Europano, kande Europa ne plus havos koaktata relati ku Usae ke ne plus esos Usana trupi en Europa. Me esas tre favoroza ad Aziana Uniono e me esas tre entuziasmoza partisano dil sendependeso di Japonia sen irga Usana trupi en la lando di la Levanta Suno. Kun kordiala ciberspacala saluti. jeanmartignon@minitel.net ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/list/idolisto Free Web-based e-mail groups by eGroups.com From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 81 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 17359 invoked by uid 7770); 25 Mar 1999 21:52:12 -0000 Received: from mout00.kundenserver.de (195.20.224.69) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 25 Mar 1999 21:52:12 -0000 Received: from [195.20.224.67] (helo=mx00.kundenserver.de) by mout00.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 10QI2u-0003yn-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 22:52:12 +0100 Received: from [212.81.173.30] (helo=www) by mx00.kundenserver.de with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 10QI2t-0004cs-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 22:52:12 +0100 Message-ID: <000f01be7709$a8ebf6c0$1ead51d4@www.fen.baynet.de> From: "Frank Kasper" To: "IDOLISTO (Mesaji)" Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 22:32:51 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Subject: [ido] Re: Votolisto Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kara amiki! Administrante nia nova Ido-listo me regretinde jus facis grava eroro. Erore me eskartis la voto-listo da Zeno. Pro to vi omni versimile recevis mesajo kun la rezulto. Kreinte nova votolisto me facis plusa eroro. Pro to vi certe recevos plusa mesajo pri rezulto de plusa votolisto, qua esas nul. Fine me sucesis krear nova valida votolisto ed insertis ibe la nombro de membri, qui votis til la 25ma di marto. Me ankorfoye pregas via pardono e precipue ta da Zeno pro mea grava eroro. Intertempe me depos uneduima hori per mea nova komputileto testas, quale neadministrero de nia listo povas atingar la voto-pagino. Se vu l'unesma foyo vizitas la tereno de nia forumo lore vu atingos kliktante sur http://www.egroups.com/vote?id=922394402639 fenestro ube vu devos insertar vua e-postala adreso e pasvorto. Insertez vua e-postala adreso, per qua vu membreskis che idolisto e pose kliktez sur "Forget Password". Pose devez apertesar plusa fenestro ad ube vu ankorfoye devez insertar vua e-postala adreso e pose kliktar sur "Send E-Mail". Voluntez lasar apertitaa la sequanta fenestro , dum ke vu devas vizitar vua elektrona postfako por recevar la mesajo de "egroups" kun kodnumero. Enskribez ta kodnumero aden la apertita fenestro ed insertez dufoye pasvorto segun vua deziro e kliktez sur "Submit". Pos kurta tempo apertigas la voto-formularo. Future vu omnatempe povos atingar la idolisto sen problemi, se vu ne eskartas la "Cookie", quan la servo automate addonas a vua komputoro. Se vu uldie esfacus lo, lore vu itere devos insertar vua e-postala adreso e la selektita da vu pasvorto. Me tre esperas, ke me povis helpar a vu per ica informi. Kun la maxim kotrdiala ed amikala saluti! Frank Kasper frank.kasper@idolinguo.de - webmaster@idolinguo.de ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/list/idolisto Free Web-based e-mail groups by eGroups.com From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 82 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 19990 invoked by uid 7770); 25 Mar 1999 23:42:00 -0000 Received: from lince.lander.es (195.76.46.35) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 25 Mar 1999 23:42:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 4402 invoked from network); 25 Mar 1999 23:26:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ppp-48-111.lander.es) (195.76.48.205) by lince.lander.es with SMTP; 25 Mar 1999 23:26:21 -0000 X-Sender: joser@lince.lander.es (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 To: idolisto@egroups.com From: "j.m.rodriguez" Subject: [ido] Voto Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kad ul vol dicar a me qualmaniere me povas votar? Me klikis l'adreso segun l'indiki di Frank, ma me nun obtenas la sequanta respondo: Click here to view the archive, e pose: 404 File not found. Jose Maria Rodriguez Hernandez joser@lander.es ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/list/idolisto Free Web-based e-mail groups by eGroups.com From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 83 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 15015 invoked by uid 7770); 26 Mar 1999 01:35:33 -0000 Received: from hugo.fen.baynet.de (194.95.193.10) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 26 Mar 1999 01:35:33 -0000 Received: from www (dialin-nbg-62.fen.baynet.de [195.37.210.196]) by hugo.fen.baynet.de (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id CAA17144 for ; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 02:31:15 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <007101be7728$dc1df2e0$c4d225c3@www.fen.baynet.de> From: "Frank Kasper (Esperanto)" To: "IDOLISTO (Mesaji)" Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 02:16:26 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Subject: [ido] Re: Novajo ek Polonia Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kara amiki! Kun grandega plezuro me volas informar vi, ke me antehiere recevis letro de mea longyara amiko de Polonia. Mea kara amiko Antoni Myszakowski ek Olesnica informis a me, ke lu depos kurta tempo havas interret-konektajo, ma regretinde ankore ne e-postala adreso. Pro mea okupado per nia "Idolisto", qua prezente esas la maxim importanta afero por me, me regretinde ankore ne povis respondar til nun. Adminime me kreis l'adreso antoni.myszakowski@idolinguo.de e me tre esperas, ke lu povos konfigurar lo en lua komputoro. Me sendos a lu la necesa indiki e kompreneble informos vi, se l'adreso funcionos. Me tre esperas, ke ni balde povos salutar lu en nia forumo. Me propozus a vi sendar kurajanta mesajo a la mencionita da me e-postala adreso. Me volunte transsendos oli letre a nia Polona amiko! Me sempre itere esas surprizata recevar tala novaji, ke idisti od intereseri en povra o fora landi prizentas su per e-postala adresi vice mea duranta falii ganar plusa idisto od interesero en la "kompare richa"Germania por l'uzado dil interreto. Okazione me volas saveskigar vi, ke nia kara amiko Jean Martignon kam l'unesma votero dil DK dil ULI intertempe votis relate la kreado de novaj-grupo che "Usenet". Kun la maxim kordiala ed amikala saluti a vi omni! Frank Kasper frank.kasper@idolinguo.de ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/list/idolisto Free Web-based e-mail groups by eGroups.com From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 84 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 4834 invoked by uid 7770); 26 Mar 1999 15:13:25 -0000 Received: from mail2.deltanet.com (199.171.190.56) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 26 Mar 1999 15:13:25 -0000 Received: from ts010d42.lax-ca.concentric.net (ts010d42.lax-ca.concentric.net [206.173.240.246]) by mail2.deltanet.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id HAA23868 for ; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 07:13:22 -0800 (PST) From: zeno@deltanet.com (Zeno) To: idolisto@egroups.com (Idolisto) Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 15:13:12 GMT Message-ID: <3703a359.8088889@smtp.deltanet.com> References: <12124.9903231933@maths.exeter.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <12124.9903231933@maths.exeter.ac.uk> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] novajgrupo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ye mardio, 23-ma marto 1999, James Chandler skribis: >Me repetas, ke me ha= vas nula objeciono kontre kreo di novajgrupo por Ido; >me nur opinionas ke = to ne es absolute necesa camomente. Me havas tamen >kelka questioni: Me r= emarkis ke vu ne skribis 'novajogrupo', ma 'novajgrupo'. En mea dicionario= , me chanjis tri vorti aden 'novajgrupo', 'novajlektilo', e 'novajservilo'.= Me ne savas ka vu esas ankore hike, do ulu mustas nun divenos nia experto= pri eufonio. Ka ni devas omisar la 'o' de omna tri di ca vorti? >Se ni k= reus novajgrupo, ka ni povus establisar "gateway" (quale expresar >co en Id= o?) inter la novajgrupo ed Idolisto, quale funcionas la espala >novajgrupo?= La vorto 'gateway' simple esas pordeyo, quale definis en la dicionario da= Dyer. Ma la termino 'pordeyo' esas tre uzita (forsan tro uzita) en la mon= do di labororeti. Quale dicis Sioro Lavalle'e, ni facos la laboro manue nu= n, e forsan me trovos o skribos programo qua povas facar la laboro en la fu= turo. Ma ni mustas sinkronigar la novajgrupo e la epostolisto. Se persono= trovus Ido per Usenet o per la telo, ni deziras parolar kun lu, ka ne? >K= a ne esus plu bona krear grupo en la hierarkio soc., vice alt.? Ka la >hie= rarkio soc. ne es plu ofical o prestijoza? soc.culture.ido esus tre plu bo= na kam alt.culture.ido. La hierarkio alt.culture esas la plaso ube grupi k= reesas se li ne havas sata voti por soc.culture. Ka la Idisti povas demand= ar voti de altra fundi? Ni ne havas sate voti de Idolisto unike ! >Qua pr= ovizas la spaco por konservado di mesaji che novajgrupi? Kelka novajservil= i konservas Usenet-mesaji dum du dii, kelka dum kin semani. Dejanews konse= rvas li til ke la universo retraktas aden nulo (od, se ni omna ankore esas = ye la teroglobo, lore til ke la suno divenas plu granda kam la orbito di la= tero). - Zeno ----------------------------------------------------------= -------------- eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/list/idolisto Free Web-b= ased e-mail groups by eGroups.com From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 85 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 6220 invoked by uid 7770); 26 Mar 1999 15:15:56 -0000 Received: from mail2.deltanet.com (199.171.190.56) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 26 Mar 1999 15:15:56 -0000 Received: from ts010d42.lax-ca.concentric.net (ts010d42.lax-ca.concentric.net [206.173.240.246]) by mail2.deltanet.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id HAA24811 for ; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 07:15:53 -0800 (PST) From: zeno@deltanet.com (Zeno) To: "idolisto" Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 15:15:46 GMT Message-ID: <3704a40c.8267370@smtp.deltanet.com> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] nova libri, Ido-hosti Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ye mardio, 23-ma marto 1999, Hans Stuifbergen skribis: >Kar amiko Zeno, >M= e deziras sendar a vu listo di vorti komputorala, da R. Stevenson en >Nov-Z= elando, nia lontana Idisto en ta regiono. Voluntez donar a me vua >adreso p= or ke me sendez la listo a vu (se vu ankore ne havas ol). Ho! Me povas ef= ektigar nulo per limako-posto! Me ne prizas la limakoposto, lu esas preske= senutila nun ! Ma me havas la listo qua vu sendas antee. Voluntez questi= onar Sioro Stevenson pri ka lu havas aceso a lokala BBS, qua povas recevar = Usenet grupi. Mea unesme havas la ideo pri Usenet pro la mesajo de Sioro S= tevenson, ed altra homi qua ne havas aceso a la interreto! Mem se lu ne po= vas vidar la interreto, forsan lu povas vidar novajgrupo Idala. - Zeno --= ----------------------------------------------------------------------- eGro= up home: http://www.eGroups.com/list/idolisto Free Web-based e-mail groups = by eGroups.com From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 86 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 7162 invoked by uid 7770); 26 Mar 1999 15:17:34 -0000 Received: from mail2.deltanet.com (199.171.190.56) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 26 Mar 1999 15:17:34 -0000 Received: from ts010d42.lax-ca.concentric.net (ts010d42.lax-ca.concentric.net [206.173.240.246]) by mail2.deltanet.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id HAA25256 for ; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 07:17:01 -0800 (PST) From: zeno@deltanet.com (Zeno) To: idolisto@egroups.com Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 15:16:54 GMT Message-ID: <3705a4a4.8419207@smtp.deltanet.com> References: <199903232258.OAA19743@mail2.deltanet.com> In-Reply-To: <199903232258.OAA19743@mail2.deltanet.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] Ka pamfleto? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ye mardio, 23-ma marto 1999, Jose Maria Rodriguez Hernandez skribis: >Nu, = en Dyer aparas la vorto pamfleto sub la sequanta signifiko en l' angla >lin= guo: pamphlet, this refers only to a pamphlet on a satirical or strongly >= controversal subject. (trad. pamfleto, ico referas nur pamfleto pri >satir= ema o forte kontroversita temo -pardonez se me erore tradukis la texto >nam= me ne savas sat bone l' angla linguo-). Ka vu remarkis ke ni uzas la vort= o 'mesajo' nekorekte anke? En l'Angla, ca esas mesajo, ma en Ido, mesajo e= sas la sequanta: Dyer: message: official communication, diplomatic, parlia= mentary; (cf. letro, sendajo). Persiko: Komunikajo letra, oficala, da la c= hefo di la povo legaplikala, a la parlamento. (anke metaf.) Certe, ca ne e= sas mesajo, ma sendajo, o komunikajo, ka ne? Dum kelka tempo, me ne uzas l= a vorto 'mesajo' e me skribis 'komunikajo' o 'sendajo', ma balde me itere u= zeskis 'mesajo'. Ma ca vorto esas nekorekta! Ca esas sendajo! - Zeno --= ----------------------------------------------------------------------- eGro= up home: http://www.eGroups.com/list/idolisto Free Web-based e-mail groups = by eGroups.com From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 87 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 7614 invoked by uid 7770); 26 Mar 1999 15:18:25 -0000 Received: from mail2.deltanet.com (199.171.190.56) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 26 Mar 1999 15:18:25 -0000 Received: from ts010d42.lax-ca.concentric.net (ts010d42.lax-ca.concentric.net [206.173.240.246]) by mail2.deltanet.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id HAA25669 for ; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 07:18:22 -0800 (PST) From: zeno@deltanet.com (Zeno) To: idolisto@egroups.com Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 15:18:14 GMT Message-ID: <3706a4e8.8488043@smtp.deltanet.com> References: <199903252342.PAA03320@mail2.deltanet.com> In-Reply-To: <199903252342.PAA03320@mail2.deltanet.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] Voto Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ye jovdio, 25-ma marto 1999, Jose Maria Rodriguez Hernandez skribis: >Kad = ul vol dicar a me qualmaniere me povas votar? > >Me klikis l'adreso segun l= 'indiki di Frank, ma me nun obtenas la sequanta >respondo: > >Click here to= view the archive, e pose: >404 File not found. Kande me kliketis la lig= ajo, me iris a la korekta pagina. Forsan vu povus esforcar irar a http://w= ww.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ , e kliketez sur "Polls". Se vu ankore recev= os eroro, lore voluntez dicar a me la nomo e nombro di vua teloregardilo. = Forsan me povas helpar. - Zeno [Quale on dicas 'version' en Ido? Simple = nombro?] -----------------------------------------------------------------= ------- eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/list/idolisto Free Web-based e-= mail groups by eGroups.com From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 88 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 5259 invoked by uid 7770); 26 Mar 1999 17:14:42 -0000 Received: from mail2.deltanet.com (199.171.190.56) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 26 Mar 1999 17:14:42 -0000 Received: from ts006d35.lax-ca.concentric.net (ts006d35.lax-ca.concentric.net [206.173.240.47]) by mail2.deltanet.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id JAA16272 for ; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 09:14:40 -0800 (PST) From: zeno@deltanet.com (Zeno) To: Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 17:14:28 GMT Message-ID: <3708b91f.13663559@smtp.deltanet.com> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] Quon me komputas? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ye merkurdio, 24-ma marto 1999, Bebson Y. Takata skribis: >kalkular: deter= minar, per operaci matematikala (procedo, moyeno), > ye nombri donita (pr= oblemo), nombron quan onu serchas (solvuro). >kalkular: (metaf.) agar sua a= ranji (procedo, moyeno), kombinar la kozi > (materii, problemo), EGARDE D= I la skopo (solvuro) atingenda. >Kande "EGARDE DI" es tro forta, onu kompre= ninde kalkulas la solvuro. > >koquar: igar apta por manjeso, per la efiko d= a fairo : Onu igas karno per > l'efiko da fairo kom apta por manjeso, Onu= ne pluse povas igar Big-Mac > itere kom apta, nam Big-Mac esas ja apta e= manjebla ante omno avan lu. Me koquas la kruda karno por hamburgero, pro = ke ne existas motivo koquar hamburgero por ke ol divenez apta por manjeso. = Anke, me regardis omna di la defini en Dyer pri 'koquar'. Me regardis 'ko= quar', 'bakar', 'stufar', 'boliigar', e 'grilar'. Omna di ci esis ambigua.= Ma lore me regardis 'rostar'. Dyer dicas ke on rostas pano por obtenar r= ostopano. Do ambe Dyer e Persiko dicas ke on koquas karno por obtenar hamb= urgero. Vu esas korekta. Me eroris. Ma, tre evidente de la defino, me ka= lkulas la solvuro, pro ke me determinas la nombro. Voluntez, komparar 'pik= tar'. La cetera de vua mesajo esas plu multa di quale ni diskutis ante nun= . Por 'koquar' me havas du fundi oficala qua dicas ke on koquas kruda karno= , ne hamburgero. Nun, montrez a me la sama pri 'kalkular' o 'piktar' ! Ad= minime vu havas un suceso cadie, ka ne? - Zeno --------------------------= ----------------------------------------------- eGroup home: http://www.eGro= ups.com/list/idolisto Free Web-based e-mail groups by eGroups.com From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 89 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 9182 invoked by uid 7770); 26 Mar 1999 17:22:14 -0000 Received: from spartacus.a2000.nl (HELO smtp2.a2000.nl) (62.108.1.20) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 26 Mar 1999 17:22:14 -0000 Received: from node118d7.a2000.nl ([24.132.24.215] helo=default.a2000.nl) by smtp2.a2000.nl with esmtp (Exim 2.02 #4) id 10QaJB-0005vO-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 18:22:13 +0100 From: "Ido-Info" To: "idolisto" Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 18:32:46 +0100 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: Subject: [ido] voto Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kar amiki, Yen extreme kurta mesajeto, pro manko di tempo: me anke ja votis ante semano, ma mea nomo ne mencionesas? Pro quo ne? (Me votis 'yes'). Me tre joyas pri la fakto ke (esperende) sioro Antony Miszakowski povas partoprenar l' idoforumo. Il es tre bon amiko de Polonia. Saluti Hans St. ************************************************ Ido, linguo internaciona! Absolute vizitez: http://members.tripod.com/~avancigado ************************************************ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/list/idolisto Free Web-based e-mail groups by eGroups.com From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 90 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 14647 invoked by uid 7770); 26 Mar 1999 17:33:00 -0000 Received: from mail2.deltanet.com (199.171.190.56) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 26 Mar 1999 17:33:00 -0000 Received: from ts006d35.lax-ca.concentric.net (ts006d35.lax-ca.concentric.net [206.173.240.47]) by mail2.deltanet.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id JAA26011 for ; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 09:32:58 -0800 (PST) From: zeno@deltanet.com (Zeno) To: "IDOLISTO" Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 17:32:49 GMT Message-ID: <3709c09e.15582691@smtp.deltanet.com> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] Pri pamfleto. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ye jovdio, 25-ma marto 1999, Bebson Y. Takata skribis: >** adjektivo-es-o = =3D the quality of being adjektiva ** > beleso =3D the quality of being b= eautiful -> beauty >** substantivo-es-o =3D the quality of being substantiv= o ** > infanteso =3D the quality of being a child -> childhood, childishn= ess >** verbo-es-o =3D the quality to do or state of being [or having] done= ** > exhausteso =3D the state of being [or having] exhausted -> exhausti= on > expanseso =3D the state of being [or having] expanded -> expansion >= inklineso =3D the quality to incline Hike, vu komencas perdar me! Pro = quo vu nun uzas la vorto 'to'? inklineso =3D the quality of inclination = inkliniva =3D having the capability, tendency to incline > permanante= so =3D the quality to be permanent permananteso =3D the quality of perma= nence > persuadeso =3D the quality or power to persuade -> persuading, p= ersuasion persuadeso =3D persuasiveness, persuasion persuadiva =3D pe= rsuasive, persuading, having the quality or power to persuade > pardones= o =3D the quality to forgive, the state of being forgiven pardoneso =3D = the quality of forgiveness (not 'to forgive') pardoniva =3D having the c= apability, tendency to forgive. (Ne esas irgo qua esas activa pri la su= fixo '-es-' pri verbala radiko !!! ) > pardonemeso =3D the willingness t= o forgive pardonema =3D (person) inclined to pardon, forgive pardone= meso =3D the state or quality of being (a person) inclined to forgive >>Me= demandus vua pardoneso. Unesme me pensis yene: >I'd like to ask you the qu= ality to forgive. (For what? For you to wear?) 'The quality to forgive' en= l'Angla esas sensenca, lu esas 'the quality of forgiveness'. E me ne dezi= ras werar* vua 'forgiveness', e me ne deziras werar* vua stilo. >>Me deman= dus vua pardoneso. Duesme me ripensis yene: >I'd like to ask you the state = of being forgiven. (Whose state by whom?) Me dicis 'vua pardoneso', qua in= dikas vua 'forgiveness'. >I'd like to ask you my state of being forgiven b= y you. -> Okida*!. Honeste, me ne esas certa ke me deziras ol nun ! >I'd = like to ask you your state of being forgiven by somebody. -> What? Quo? >= You are not wrong in having said so, but this is too ambiguous for me. > = Lo es pro ke me dicis ke vua frazo ne esas de "bona stilo". Ma ni konkorda= s ke ni ne korektigus stilo, ka ne? >>Me demandus vua pardonemeso. >I'd li= ke to ask you (your) willingness to forgive (me). -> Okida*! I did not wan= t to ask you for the quality of being a person inclined to forgive, this is= not something that one can easily give to another, is it? >I'd like to as= k you my willingness to forgive you. Nobody thinks this way. No, they don'= t. And obviously, neither do you or I. Chanjez la vorto aden 'pardono', e= lore donez ol o ne. Ma haltez sendar mea mesajo itere ed itere, oke? Me = obliviis pro quo me demandis ol, irgamaniere !!! :-D - Zeno -----------= -------------------------------------------------------------- eGroup home: = http://www.eGroups.com/list/idolisto Free Web-based e-mail groups by eGroup= s.com From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 91 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 6994 invoked by uid 7770); 26 Mar 1999 18:23:30 -0000 Received: from lince.lander.es (195.76.46.35) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 26 Mar 1999 18:23:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 20140 invoked from network); 26 Mar 1999 16:31:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ppp-48-206.lander.es) (195.76.48.206) by lince.lander.es with SMTP; 26 Mar 1999 16:31:25 -0000 X-Sender: joser@lince.lander.es X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 To: idolisto@egroups.com From: "j.m.rodriguez" Subject: [ido] Voto Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kar Amiki FRANK e ZENO: Me ja sucesis votar, multa danki pro via kapabla konsili. Kordiala saluti de Hispania. Jose Maria Rodriguez Hernandez joser@lander.es ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/list/idolisto Free Web-based e-mail groups by eGroups.com From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 92 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 941 invoked by uid 7770); 26 Mar 1999 19:17:28 -0000 Received: from out0.mx.skynet.be (195.238.2.35) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 26 Mar 1999 19:17:28 -0000 Received: from login.skynet.be (dialup217.wavre.skynet.be [195.238.10.217]) by out0.mx.skynet.be (8.9.3/odie-relay-v1.0) with ESMTP id UAA01326 for ; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 20:17:08 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <199903261917.UAA01326@out0.mx.skynet.be> Reply-To: From: "BOL Jacques" To: "idolisto" Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 06:51:50 +0100 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] Progreso e diversaji. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Wavre, 26/3/99; Kar amiki, Hodie me dissendesis Progreso n�315 en qua , ye la lasta instanto, me insertis folieto informanta pri la fino di Idol e la kreo di "Idolisto" ed indikanta la nova retala adresi. Pri la BIBLIOGRAFIO DI IDO, la nova verko da T.Carlevaro e Haupenthal,vi trovos en ica numero, omna detali necesa ed utila; ed anke pri du altra verki a qua esas laboranta Carlevaro; do ne necesa skribar a lu por obtenar informi, omno trovesas en Progreso 315. Pri USENET, me ne kredas ke on povas opozar su a to pos lektir l'expliki da nia amiko Zeno e me votas yes, quankam me ne vere savas to quo ol esas e quale to funcionas. Pri KOSOVO, me deziras skribar ke me esas en tota konkordo kun l'opiniono da Eric DICKENS; me agnoskas ke il tre bone expresis to quon me ipsa sentas, tam pri l'ago en Kosovo kam pri l'Uniono Europana e l'amerikani. Pro ke me havas okaziono, e ye lua demando, me precizigas a lu ke me vivas en la franca-parolanta parto di Belgia (Walonia) ke mea matrala linguo es la franca, ke fakte mea preavi nomesis Bolle e ke la nomo perdis sua lasta parto pro la paso dil tempo; ke me lernis obligatale la nederlanda dum la sis yari di mea sekundara studii, inkluzante la autori e poeti flandrana . Ik ben ook een beste vriend,toch gedeeltelijk, mijn praktijk is gebrekkig.Saluut en de kost. Pardonez me, saluti kordial ad omni Jacques Bol jbol@skynet.be ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/list/idolisto Free Web-based e-mail groups by eGroups.com From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 93 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 25955 invoked by uid 7770); 26 Mar 1999 23:43:39 -0000 Received: from mail2.ip.pt (194.79.69.132) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 26 Mar 1999 23:43:39 -0000 Received: from clientec (pm-lx-9-51.net.ip.pt [195.23.96.243]) by mail2.ip.pt with ESMTP id XAA14551 for < idolisto@egroups.com>; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 23:43:36 GMT Message-Id: <199903262343.XAA14551@mail2.ip.pt> Reply-To: From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Gon=E7alo_Neves?=" To: "IDOLISTO" Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 23:28:30 +0100 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] poemo da Camacho ("singla") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Kar amiki, Me konstatas ke me sendas a vu un poemo (sive tradukita, sive originala) singla-semane. To estas tote hazardal, ma me esforcos mantenar ica kustumo. Yen cafoye poemo dal hispano Jorge Camacho (n. 1966), olquan me tradukis de Esperanto. SINGLA singla vivo, anke mea, esas unvorta palindromo*. on vidas nure to, quon vorte on volas, povas. intertempe me promenas ludante de sako-strado a sako-strado. nude. ignorate da silueti homal e horlojal me pazas quieta-paze. me konversas kun la luno, qua blankesas sur azuro, kun ocitanta mikra hundo, kun la silenco di urbo tumultoza. morge me decidos ka komencar ja mea rutino verbal, aktive o pasive, o durar vagante, en dolca letargio di matida minareti. da Jorge Camacho (Hispania) *palindromo: vorto, frazo o verso qua povas lektesar deavane addope o dedope adavane, pro havar senco en la du sensi. Exempli: onagro - organo; olim - milo. Gon�alo Neves ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/list/idolisto Free Web-based e-mail groups by eGroups.com From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 94 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 1538 invoked by uid 7770); 27 Mar 1999 00:02:56 -0000 Received: from smtp05.wxs.nl (195.121.6.57) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 27 Mar 1999 00:02:56 -0000 Received: from pc ([195.121.78.193]) by smtp05.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with SMTP id AAA62E8 for ; Sat, 27 Mar 1999 01:02:54 +0100 Message-ID: <001401be77e5$08c1fe60$c14e79c3@pc> From: "Eric Dickens" To: "idolisto" Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 01:01:57 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Subject: [ido] votado Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Pos, ke ma lektis ulon da Hans, Jacques e Zeno, me dicas: "Yes". Saluti, Eric Dickens ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/list/idolisto Free Web-based e-mail groups by eGroups.com From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 95 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 26188 invoked by uid 7770); 27 Mar 1999 03:47:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mga2.primo.co.jp) (210.145.40.130) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 27 Mar 1999 03:47:35 -0000 Received: from mga2.primo.co.jp (unverified [210.145.40.140]) by mga2.primo.co.jp (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Sat, 27 Mar 1999 12:50:43 +0900 Message-ID: From: "Bebson Y. TAKATA" To: "IDOLISTO" Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 12:39:18 +0900 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] mea Trojan horse Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kara Sri Cibernauti: Pro ke Mastro Sro Robert B. CARNAGHAN ne korektigas me recente, me ipsa esforcas korektigar kelka de mea numeroza e fola erori. La Judi a Palestinani -> Multa Judi a (la?) Palestinani La maxim ed unika saja maniero -> La maxim ed unikE saja maniero ta-qui devas recevar la rezulo -> rezulTo **************************************************************** Kara Sro Zeno EXE: #2 Pro quo me fole uzadis la vorto 'to' dop quality? **************************************************************** Multega danko pro vua ecelanta instrukto kontre mea mala stilo di l'Angla, nam me nun remarkas ke me misuzadis dum multega yari la vorto "quality" quaze-kom tendency, l'amba vorti fole kovradis su en mea povra cerebro. I had a peculiar tendency to use the word quality instead of "tendency". Quality is static, tendency is dynamic, so my quality is a dynamic quality. >Vu esas korekta. Me eroris. -> No, Nek me Nek vu esas korekta, nek eroris. Dum longa diskutado inter vu e me pri koquar, piktar, kalkular e komputar me nulamaniere frapis la klovo sur la kapo pro mea povra nekapableso. To quon me vere volas dicar esas ke la defino es defino ne plu kam to ipsa. Vivanta uzado existas sempre ante irga defino. Do ni povas libere uzar irga vorti segun nia prefero kontre l'autentika defino di la vorto ipsa. Me nur volis destruktar vua forta muro de fixigita idei da l'Angla linguo. Funciono-komputar(problemo)=solvo ma esis mea Trojan horse en vua cerebro. Do me koquas karno, Big-Mac e piktas irgo e komputas la problemo segun me. E vu povas uzar vua verbi segun vua idei tam longe kam ni bone komprenas. Ka me ankore aspektas fola e hucpoza* avan vu, autentika uzanto di l'Angla? ---------------------------------------------------------------- Adio! .....sincere via, B.Y.T. .....Idisto ed Idiotisto pro mea limitizita edukado ed anke Ido-Kavaliero e shinko-aktoro di Teatro FilozofiACHala **************************************************************** Plez* indikar mea erori pri vorti, gramatiko, dicmaniero ec., nam me esas nura ne-edukito e devas lernar dum ke me vivas. Me sempre esperas, samideani, via amikeso por EXTRA prenar peno de via parto por instruktar me, qua durstas ye savo ulaspecala. Tamen en rara kazo kande me savas plu bone kam vi, me volunte transdonos mea humila savo a vi segun via bezoni. **************************************************************** ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/list/idolisto Free Web-based e-mail groups by eGroups.com From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 96 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 19225 invoked by uid 7770); 27 Mar 1999 11:02:57 -0000 Received: from mout00.kundenserver.de (195.20.224.69) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 27 Mar 1999 11:02:57 -0000 Received: from [195.20.224.67] (helo=mx00.kundenserver.de) by mout00.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 10Qqrh-0006Nx-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Sat, 27 Mar 1999 12:02:57 +0100 Received: from [212.81.174.131] (helo=www) by mx00.kundenserver.de with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 10Qqre-0001dQ-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Sat, 27 Mar 1999 12:02:55 +0100 Message-ID: <000201be7841$2b512c60$83ae51d4@www.fen.baynet.de> From: "Frank Kasper" To: "Idolisto (Mesaji)" Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 11:53:21 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Subject: [ido] Re: Salutmesajo da la prezidanto dil ULI Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kara samideani dil grupo IDOLISTO, en la nomo dil Direktanta Komitato dil Uniono por la Linguo Internaciona Ido (ULI) me expresas a vi nia joyo pri via aktiveso por la internaciona linguo Ido. La komitatani esas bone informita pri via diskuti per elektronikala posto. Kelka komitatani segun lia posiblesi partoprenas en la diskuti, altri e meesas informita specale per sdo. Frank Kasper, qua reprezentasla Germana Ido-Societo en la interreto. Per via diskuti kreskis moderna Ido-vivo per elektronikala moyeni. Advere semblas esar necesa ke omna de vi divenez membri di nia uniono ed abonanti di nia revui, quale lo facis ja kelka de vi. Ne darfas existar du diversa Ido-movementi, do la tradicionala e la komputoro-bazita. Kontaktez anke kun membri, qua ne esas atingebla per elektronikal postaji. Skribez anke por nia revui e- se posibla - partoprenez en nia internaciona konferi, exemple dum agosto di ca yaro en Germania. Ni invitas vi e joyas, se ni renkontros nova samideani balde. Maxim kordiale G. Anton guenter.anton@idolinguo.de Ica mesajo transsendeskis ad Idolisto da Frank Kasper frank.kasper@idolinguo.de - webmaster@idolinguo.de ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/list/idolisto Free Web-based e-mail groups by eGroups.com From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 97 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 21346 invoked by uid 7770); 27 Mar 1999 12:56:53 -0000 Received: from mout00.kundenserver.de (195.20.224.69) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 27 Mar 1999 12:56:53 -0000 Received: from [195.20.224.67] (helo=mx00.kundenserver.de) by mout00.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 10Qsdw-0004gg-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Sat, 27 Mar 1999 13:56:52 +0100 Received: from [212.81.170.238] (helo=www) by mx00.kundenserver.de with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 10Qsdv-0004Rw-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Sat, 27 Mar 1999 13:56:51 +0100 Message-ID: <000d01be7851$15592380$eeaa51d4@www.fen.baynet.de> From: "Frank Kasper" To: "Idolisto (Mesaji)" Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 13:29:41 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Subject: [ido] Re: Mesajo da Alfred Neussner Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kara amiki! Kun grandega plezuro me volas transsendar a vi la mesajo, quan me ya recevis ante du dii da Alfred Neussner. Pro okupado per l'administrado dil "Idolisto" ed Esperanto-aferi me ne povis sendar lo ante nun. Pardonez. Yen la mesajo da Alfred Neussner: "Me joyas, ke existas Idisti,qui projetas sua Ido-laboro por la proxima 50 yari. Ni ne plus povas expektar agar tam longe por Ido, mem se ni divenos 100, quon ni forte intencas. Pri la libro-servo en Anglia. Me ja hiere shribis a tu, ke ni recevis plu kam tuno di libri e deskargis kun la kamionisto dum cirkume un horo. Per to lu nun anke kelke interesas pri Ido. Me imaginis, ke ca kesti kontenas Sueda lernolibri, quin on imprimigis dum la lasta 30-40 yari en Suedia, forsan 3-5 diversa. Me nun apertigis l'unesma kesti ed ekprenis kelko e konstatis, ke esas libraro ek cirkume 80 yari di publikigo en Ido ek la tota mondo. Libri, pri gui me dum la lasta 50 yari nur audis la tituli e konjektis, ke li es tote perdita. Vera trezoro! Se on esus doninta oli a publika biblioteko en Suedia, lore oli certe esus praktike perdita por ni, nam me ne povas imaginar, ke ibe irgu havabus la tempo por registrar ed ordinigar li, quo ya esus la bazo por to ke ico omno esus acesebla. Che me anke certe duros multa tempo, til ke ni povos ofrar maxim posible multo de to, ma la libri restos atingebla por Idisti, se Idisti esos pronta okupar pri l'ordinigo. Ma tu balde vidos. Me ja komencis registrar kelka libri en la librolisto di la GIS. Kordiala saluti Alfred Neussner alfred.neussner@idolinguo.de " Me okazione volas saveskigar vi, ke me pos la Pasko-festo iros ad Waldkappel por helpar gesiori Neussner ordinirigar la libri. Me nun deziras a vi omni agreabla semanofino! Kun la maxim kordiala ed amikala saluti! Frank Kasper frank.kasper@idolinguo.de - webmaster@idolinguo.de frank.kasper@idolinguo.de - webmaster@idolinguo.de ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/list/idolisto Free Web-based e-mail groups by eGroups.com From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 98 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 16165 invoked by uid 7770); 27 Mar 1999 15:57:55 -0000 Received: from mail2.deltanet.com (199.171.190.56) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 27 Mar 1999 15:57:55 -0000 Received: from ts006d11.lax-ca.concentric.net (ts006d11.lax-ca.concentric.net [206.173.240.23]) by mail2.deltanet.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id HAA02194; Sat, 27 Mar 1999 07:57:50 -0800 (PST) From: zeno@deltanet.com (Zeno) To: guenter.anton@idolinguo.de Cc: idolisto@egroups.com Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 15:57:42 GMT Message-ID: <36fde278.2494776@smtp.deltanet.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] Re: Salutmesajo da la prezidanto dil ULI Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sioro Prezidanto, Bona jorno! Me nomesas Zeno e me habitas en Sud-Kalifor= nia, Usa. Me lernas pri Ido de la telopagini di Sioro James Chandler e la = oficala Ido-hemopagino di la ILSGB (pro ke me parolas l'Angla). Me lernas = Ido de libri qua me komendis de la Ido-Libro-Servo (ta qua me anke trovis y= e la interreto), de la multa telopagini di la TTT, e maxim di omni, de Idol= isto. Me komprenas vua komenti pri la tradicionala e la komputoro-bazita I= do-movementi. Me ne opinionas ke la du movementi fendos, specale nun pro k= e la retani povas parolar kun la ULI per la interreto. Me kredas ke la int= erreto esas tre importanta metodo di komunikado en la mondo cadie. Kelkafo= ye, homi qua ne uzas la interreto reguloze ne komprenas la povo di la inter= reto. Idei naskas e kreskas aden grandega movementi ye la interreto dum mo= nati o plura yari. La interreto povas chanjar la vidpunti ed opinioni di t= re multa homi dum kurta tempo (por la plu bona o por la plu mala). Certe, = en la parti di la mondo qua havas la kapableso konektar a la interreto, irg= a internationa movemento o kompanio esas kondamnita se li ne uzas bone la i= nterreto, pro ke lia rivali esas! Do, dum ke me tote konsentas kun vu pri = ke omna Idisti devas divenar membri di la ULI ed abonanti di Progreso, me p= rizegas la laboro di Sioro Frank Kasper pri ke lu efektigas ica konektajo i= nter la interreto e la ULI. Me opinionas ke la membri di la ULI devas esar= enreto, ed anke ke ni devas havar enretala varianto di Progreso, ed altra = tala kozi. Omna Idisti devas esar membri di la ULI. Ni devas atencar la U= LI, e havar egardi por la komitato e lia decidi. Ma la ULI ed Ido mustas v= enar a la reto por ke Ido povez sucesar. Se Ido ne abordas ica navo, lore = Ido nultempe arivos ye sua voyajfino, qua esas divenar la precipua linguo i= nternaciona di la mondo. Cadie, la ULI venas a la reto, do cadie me venas = a la ULI. Me sendos la pekunio por mea membreso cadie. Me kurajigas omna = altra homi qua prizas Ido, ke vi agez la samo. Kun respektoza saluto, Z= eno [Ica komunikajo sendesis ad Idolisto ed a la prezidanto di la ULI, Gue= nter Anton.] -------------------------------------------------------------= ----------- eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/list/idolisto Free Web-base= d e-mail groups by eGroups.com From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 99 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 21478 invoked by uid 7770); 27 Mar 1999 16:12:33 -0000 Received: from mail2.deltanet.com (199.171.190.56) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 27 Mar 1999 16:12:33 -0000 Received: from ts006d11.lax-ca.concentric.net (ts006d11.lax-ca.concentric.net [206.173.240.23]) by mail2.deltanet.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id IAA05068 for ; Sat, 27 Mar 1999 08:12:30 -0800 (PST) From: zeno@deltanet.com (Zeno) To: "idolisto" Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 16:12:23 GMT Message-ID: <36ff0173.10427351@smtp.deltanet.com> References: <001401be77e5$08c1fe60$c14e79c3@pc> In-Reply-To: <001401be77e5$08c1fe60$c14e79c3@pc> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] votado Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ye saturdio, 27-ma marto 1999, Eric Dickens skribis: >Pos, ke ma lektis ul= on da Hans, Jacques e Zeno, me dicas: "Yes". Sioro Dickens, Voluntez irar= ad http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ , kliketez sur "Polls" ye la menu= o, e votez. La molvaro che Egroups kontos la voti automate. [Ma me pregas= ne kliketez sur "End Poll. Mail the Results" ! Existas insekto en la prog= ramo qua montras ica butono ad omna uzeri, ne unike la persono qua kreis la= voto.] - Zeno insekto =3D A:bug [O, quale programizisti dicas, "trakto n= edokumentizita"] --------------------------------------------------------= ---------------- eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/list/idolisto Free Web= -based e-mail groups by eGroups.com From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 100 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 16133 invoked by uid 7770); 27 Mar 1999 17:27:33 -0000 Received: from www.minitel.net (HELO gmailint1.globalmail.net) (193.252.91.17) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 27 Mar 1999 17:27:33 -0000 Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 18:27:31 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <199903271727.SAA00340@gmailint1.globalmail.net> From: jeanmartignon@minitel.net (JEAN MARTIGNON) Reply-To: jeanmartignon@minitel.net To: idolisto@egroups.com (IDOLISTO) MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] Ni swichas ye somerala tempo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Kara cibernauti, En Europana Uniono, icanokte, ye 2 kloki esos subite 3 kloki, tale ni swichos oficale ye la somerala tempo qua duros dum sep monati. Denun vespere la jornolumo duros dum un plusa horo e ni povos juar longa lumoza vesperi. Me supozas ke somerala tempo existas nur en Europana Uniono e ke altraloke onu konservas la kustumala tempo dum la tota yaro. Se la Europani, generale, ne plendas prila somerala tempo, ne esas tale por measamlandani. Multa Franci preferus ne chanjar la kloki, nam li remarkigas ke ja dum vintro ni plutardesas kompare a la sunala tempo ye un horo. Per la somerala tempo ni plutardesas ye du hori kompare a la sunala tempo, exemple kande esas 14 kloki ye nia horloji dumsomere esas 12 kloki ye la sunala tempo. Ita fontas de la fakto ke dum la Germana okupado en 1940, ni adoptis la mez-Europana tempo di Germania qua plutardesas ye un horo kompare a Greenwich meza tempo qua esis nia oficala tempo ante la milito. Regretinde, malgre omna desavantaji, pos la milito ni konservis la mez-Europana tempo, skope kontributar ad unesal tempo en Europa. Pro ke Francia absolutene esas demokrata lando (demokratio esas nur semblo en nia desfortunoza lando) malgre omna protesti e manifesti, ni nulatempe obtenis retroirar a nia vera tempo . Kun kordiala ciberspacala saluti. jeanmartignon@minitel.net ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/list/idolisto Free Web-based e-mail groups by eGroups.com From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 101 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 21621 invoked by uid 7770); 27 Mar 1999 19:13:04 -0000 Received: from lince.lander.es (195.76.46.35) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 27 Mar 1999 19:13:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 13564 invoked from network); 27 Mar 1999 19:12:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ppp-48-87.lander.es) (195.76.48.87) by lince.lander.es with SMTP; 27 Mar 1999 19:12:51 -0000 X-Sender: joser@lince.lander.es (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 To: idolisto@egroups.com From: "j.m.rodriguez" Subject: [ido] Poemi Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Kar Amiki: La poemi, quin Gon=E7alo NEVES ofras ad omna ni, igas me pensar= ke us posibla editar balde libro-poemo en nia linguo, sive originala sive = kom la duesma tomo dil Esperantal Antologio en Idolinguo editata da Tazio C= arlevaro en la yaro 1977. Kordial Saluti de Hispania. Jose Maria Rodriguez= Hernandez joser@lander.es ----------------------------------------------= -------------------------- eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/list/idolist= o Free Web-based e-mail groups by eGroups.com From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 102 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 7507 invoked by uid 7770); 27 Mar 1999 20:07:16 -0000 Received: from mout00.kundenserver.de (195.20.224.69) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 27 Mar 1999 20:07:16 -0000 Received: from [195.20.224.67] (helo=mx00.kundenserver.de) by mout00.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 10QzMR-0008Rx-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Sat, 27 Mar 1999 21:07:15 +0100 Received: from [212.81.170.138] (helo=www) by mx00.kundenserver.de with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 10QzMQ-0000Vl-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Sat, 27 Mar 1999 21:07:15 +0100 Message-ID: <000001be788d$343d3160$8aaa51d4@www.fen.baynet.de> From: "Frank Kasper" To: "Idolisto (Mesaji)" Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 19:53:38 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Subject: [ido] Re: Somerala tempo Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kara amiki, kar amiko Jean! Me volas explikar a vi, ke on segun mea savo swichas la horloji a la somerala tempo en tot Europa. En Turkia on ya swichos la horloji de 01.00 kloki ad 02.00 kloki segun lokala tempo. Altralatere on retroswichas la horloji versimile canokte de la somera tempo a la vintra tempo en parti d'Australia quale exemple en Sidney ed en Nova Zelando. Kordiala saluti! Frank Kasper frank.kasper@idolinguo.de - webmaster@idolinguo.de ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/list/idolisto Free Web-based e-mail groups by eGroups.com From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 103 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 13267 invoked by uid 7770); 27 Mar 1999 23:47:03 -0000 Received: from imo27.mx.aol.com (198.81.17.71) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 27 Mar 1999 23:47:03 -0000 Received: from Esperanto3@aol.com by imo27.mx.aol.com (IMOv19.3) id aDYMa13700; Sat, 27 Mar 1999 18:46:41 -0500 (EST) From: Esperanto3@aol.com Message-ID: <60502fcd.36fd6de1@aol.com> Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 18:46:41 EST To: idolisto Cc: MMSerpento@aol.com Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 Subject: [ido] Renga (tanka-formi) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit L'omna direcioni dezerte sola la venonta printempo kalmigegas me kolorizanta monti l'omna direcioni eki resonas mea voco en monti ri-ekigante habitanti ancien respondante en vento populo anazazi ilua kanti sonor vocante me nome la silabi sensual' lycogene, el envitas me la porti d'amor l'odori lupal' aere me' mente perdas el lamantas pri soles' l'ululi advokas me sidante en la sabli audante amorino elua jemi stranja extraktant' mea psiko transubstancio, el-me c Ulf "Ulfie" Wiman (Marto 27-a, 1999) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/list/idolisto Free Web-based e-mail groups by eGroups.com From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 104 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 30001 invoked by uid 7770); 28 Mar 1999 00:37:12 -0000 Received: from mout00.kundenserver.de (195.20.224.69) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 28 Mar 1999 00:37:12 -0000 Received: from [195.20.224.67] (helo=mx00.kundenserver.de) by mout00.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 10R3Zg-0006Lw-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Sun, 28 Mar 1999 01:37:12 +0100 Received: from [212.81.171.227] (helo=www) by mx00.kundenserver.de with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 10R3Zf-0008SP-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Sun, 28 Mar 1999 01:37:11 +0100 Message-ID: <000801be78b3$0eb25580$e3ab51d4@www.fen.baynet.de> From: "Frank Kasper" To: "IDOLISTO (Mesaji)" Date: Sun, 28 Mar 1999 01:35:48 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Subject: [ido] Re: Poemi Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Kara amiki! Me volas saveskigar vi, ke me tote konformas kun la propozo de nia kara Hispana amiko Jos� editar libri kun la poemi kreita da kelka membri di nia Idolisto. On devus propozar lo a la Diretanta Komitato dil ULI por recevar la necesa financala moyeni por imprimar la fine kreita libro (o libri). Tamen me unesme propozus, ke la poemeri permisos ad un de la editeri di nia Ido-revui Jaques Bol, Hans Stuifbergen, Jean Martignon o Robert Carnaghan aperigar lia poemi en lia revuo, nam texti por omna revui omnatempe esas bonvenata. Kordiala saluti! Frank Kasper ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/list/idolisto Free Web-based e-mail groups by eGroups.com From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 105 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 31560 invoked by uid 7770); 28 Mar 1999 02:24:55 -0000 Received: from imo14.mx.aol.com (198.81.17.4) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 28 Mar 1999 02:24:55 -0000 Received: from MMSerpento@aol.com by imo14.mx.aol.com (IMOv19.3) id aHHGa00460; Sat, 27 Mar 1999 21:24:43 +1900 (EST) From: MMSerpento@aol.com Message-ID: <13e20208.36fd92eb@aol.com> Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 21:24:43 EST To: Esperanto3@aol.com, idolisto Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 Subject: [ido] Re: Renga (tanka-formi) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 3/27/1999 6:46:41 PM Eastern Standard Time, Esperanto3 w= rites: > > L'omna direcioni > > dezerte sola > la venonta printempo > = kalmigegas me > > kolorizanta monti > l'omna direcioni > > > eki resonas= > mea voco en monti > ri-ekigante > > habitanti ancien > respondante e= n vento > > > populo anazazi > ilua kanti sonor > vocante me nome > la = silabi sensual' > lycogene, el envitas me > > > la porti d'amor > l'odor= i lupal' aere > me' mente perdas > > el lamantas pri soles' > l'ululi ad= vokas me > > > sidante en la sabli > audante amorino > elua jemi stranja= > extraktant' mea psiko > transubstancio, el-me > > c Ulf "Ulfie" Wima= n (Marto 27-a, 1999) Comme c'est beau, Monsieur! fl=FBte en bois = ou pierre, peut-=EAtre poussi=E8re au vent, ou semis de r=EAves ? -= -Mary Margaret Serpento c1999 -----------------------------------------= ------------------------------- eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/list/id= olisto Free Web-based e-mail groups by eGroups.com From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 106 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 17542 invoked by uid 7770); 28 Mar 1999 10:09:42 -0000 Received: from spartacus.a2000.nl (HELO smtp2.a2000.nl) (62.108.1.20) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 28 Mar 1999 10:09:42 -0000 Received: from node118d7.a2000.nl ([24.132.24.215] helo=default.a2000.nl) by smtp2.a2000.nl with esmtp (Exim 2.02 #4) id 10RCVi-00058j-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Sun, 28 Mar 1999 12:09:42 +0200 From: "Ido-Info" To: "idolisto" Date: Sun, 28 Mar 1999 12:01:03 +0200 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: Subject: [ido] voto, la Rumana Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kar amiko Zeno, Me probis irar al "eGroups"-pagini e presar ibe la butono "polls", e lore aparesis fenestro qua dicas ke me devas plenigar la faketo: "Registred Users, please sign in". Quon me skribos ibe, mea privat e-postal adreso (fakte, ca, quan me uzas nun)? Konfundiv afero, la votado, me ankore ne votis (savez ke me es stultego koncernante komputoral aferi). Ho yes, insertite en la pagino infre es texto por Rumani inter ni, es mikra kurso Ido en la Rumana. Saluti amikala, Hans St. *********************************************** Ido, linguo internaciona! Absolute vizitez: http://members.tripod.com/~avancigado ************************************************ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/list/idolisto Free Web-based e-mail groups by eGroups.com From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 107 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 17548 invoked by uid 7770); 28 Mar 1999 10:09:42 -0000 Received: from spartacus.a2000.nl (HELO smtp2.a2000.nl) (62.108.1.20) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 28 Mar 1999 10:09:42 -0000 Received: from node118d7.a2000.nl ([24.132.24.215] helo=default.a2000.nl) by smtp2.a2000.nl with esmtp (Exim 2.02 #4) id 10RCVi-00058j-01 for idolisto@egroups.com; Sun, 28 Mar 1999 12:09:42 +0200 From: "Ido-Info" To: "idolisto" Date: Sun, 28 Mar 1999 12:13:28 +0200 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: Subject: [ido] palindromo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Kara forumani, Me lektis la bela tradukita poemo sendita da Gon�alo Neves. Me sempre pensis ke 'palindromo' esis vorto internaciona. Lasez kontrolar por ke future ol ne plu bezonez asteriskizesar. Anke, la signifiko di ta vorto, me pensis ke ol nur esez inversigebla sen chanjar la signifiko, por exemplo: oxo, ili, otito, ovo, oro (yes, me nur rapidete traserchis la dicionario che 'o'), edc. Yen, ni probas l' internacionaleso: G = A = F = H = I = R = Saluti amikala, Hans St. ************************************************ Ido, linguo internaciona! Absolute vizitez: http://members.tripod.com/~avancigado ************************************************ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/list/idolisto Free Web-based e-mail groups by eGroups.com From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 108 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 4336 invoked by uid 7770); 28 Mar 1999 11:43:24 -0000 Received: from smtp05.wxs.nl (195.121.6.57) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 28 Mar 1999 11:43:24 -0000 Received: from pc ([195.121.77.81]) by smtp05.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with SMTP id AAA4CDF for ; Sun, 28 Mar 1999 13:43:20 +0200 Message-ID: <001401be7910$0ab934a0$514d79c3@pc> From: "Eric Dickens" To: "idolisto" Date: Sun, 28 Mar 1999 13:41:04 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Subject: [ido] Poemo da Boleslaw Lesmian (yuristo e neologisto Polona) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000F_01BE7920.9FE5BB60" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01BE7920.9FE5BBB60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Palmo-sundio, 28 marto 1999 Kar amiki, Me lektis kun plezuro la traduki d= a Goncalo Neves e pensis, ke me ipsa anke deziras tradukar poezio en Ido. L= ' unesma poemo (ma intencas tradukar kelka) es Polona poemo da Boleslaw Les= mian. Boleslaw Lesmian (1878-1937) esis diminutiva Polona yuristo, qua hab= itis Warszawa ed anke Kiev, ube esis Polona kulturala kolonio. En lua metaf= izikala poezio il uzis Polona linguo plena de prefixi e neologismi. Me opin= ionas, ke Lesmian es la maxim interesanta Polona poeto dil 20-ema yarcento.= Ica poemo ("Garbus" en la Polona linguo) kantadis kom kansono da la Polona= kantistino Ewa Demarczyk ye la 1970-yari. Me tradukis direkte de la Polona= linguo, ma uzis kom helpilo, la traduko da Alexandra Chciuk-Celt aden l' A= ngla, pro ke kelka de la neologismi da Lesmian ne esas, kompreneble, en nor= mala vorto-libro.. La gibozo Mortas gibozo pasable, oportune, Ye bon ve= tero, ye l'indian' somero Giboza esis lua vivo Lua morto es ya giboza. Mo= rtas ye l' voyo, nebul-lanjata Quale dificil rakonton judikanta E nulon il = facis en ca vivo Ecepte gibon portis e portis Per l' gibo il mendikis e d= ancis Per l' gibo meditis, reflektis Il bersis la gibo sur l 'dorso Per pro= pra sango olun nutrigis, drinkigis E nun Morto inkasas sua trezoro En lua= tenebro kolo plulongeskas Ma l' gibo gibadas itere Angule vivas, prosperas= Ol survivas lua kamelo Sekunde, per olua graso La mortulo regardas aden = tenebro E l' gibo - papilionin en sunlumo. Ed al mortint portanto ol dica= s Minacanta per sua pezo "Quon signifikas tua rezistado Pro quo tu es mea i= mpedo? Sive en la nebuli tu perdis genui, Sive en sonjo aplastis tua gamb= i? Pro quo tu men portis surdorse se lore tu perdas la voyo? Pro quo en t= enebri tu muzelon Stekas? Me fitas male sur tua shultri Kurioze esus, etern= ' indolentulo, Savar adube tu portas men pluse." *** Saluti, Eric Dick= ens ---------------------------------------------------------------------= ---ZZXX eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/list/idolisto Free Web-based e-= mail groups by eGroups.com ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01BE7920.9FE5BBB60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable content-type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1"
Palmo-sundio, 28 ma= rto 1999
 
Kar amiki,
 
Me lektis kun plezuro la traduki da Goncalo Neves e pensis, ke me ipsa a= nke deziras tradukar poezio en Ido. L' unesma poemo (ma intencas tradukar = kelka) es Polona poemo da Boleslaw Lesmian.
 
B= oleslaw Lesmian (1878-1937) esis diminutiva Polona yuristo, qua habitis Wa= rszawa ed anke Kiev, ube esis Polona kulturala kolonio. En lua metafizikala= poezio il uzis Polona linguo plena de prefixi e neologismi. Me opinionas,= ke Lesmian es la maxim interesanta Polona poeto dil 20-ema yarcento. Ica = poemo ("Garbus" en la Polona linguo) kantadis kom kansono da la = Polona kantistino Ewa Demarczyk ye la 1970-yari. Me tradukis direkte de la= Polona linguo, ma uzis kom helpilo, la traduko da Alexandra Chciuk-Celt a= den l' Angla, pro ke kelka de la neologismi da Lesmian ne esas, komprenebl= e, en normala vorto-libro..
 
 
La gibozo
 
Mortas gibozo p= asable, oportune,
Ye bon vetero, ye l'indian' somero
Giboza esis lua vivo
Lua morto es ya giboza.
 
Mortas ye l' voyo, nebul-lanjata
Quale dificil rakonton judikanta
<= FONT size=3D2>E nulon il facis en ca vivo
Ecepte gibon portis e portis
 
Per l' gibo il mendikis e dancis
Per l' gibo meditis, re= flektis
Il bersis la gibo sur l 'dorso
Per= propra sango olun nutrigis, drinkigis=
 
E nun Morto inkasas sua trezoro
En lua tenebro kolo = plulongeskas
Ma l' gibo gibadas itere
Angu= le vivas, prosperas
= <= /FONT> 
Ol survivas lu= a kamelo
Sekunde, per olua graso
La mort= ulo regardas aden tenebro
=
E l' gibo - papilionin en sunlu= mo.
 
Ed al mortint portanto ol dica= s
Minacanta per sua pezo
"Quon signif= ikas tua rezistado
<= FONT size=3D2>Pro quo tu es mea impedo?
 
Sive en la nebuli tu perdis genui,
Sive en sonjo aplastis tua gambi?=
Pro quo tu men port= is surdorse
se lore tu perdas la voyo?
 
= Pro quo en tenebri tu muzelon
Stekas? Me fitas male sur tua shul= tri
Kurioze esus, etern' indolentulo,
Sava= r adube tu portas men pluse."
 
***
 
Sal= uti,
=  
Eric Dickens
eGroup home: h= ttp://www.eGroups.com/list/idolisto
Free Web-based e-mail groups by= www.eGroups.com
------=_NextPart_000_000F_01BE7920.9FE5BBB60-- From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 109 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 30239 invoked by uid 7770); 28 Mar 1999 13:25:01 -0000 Received: from smtp03.wxs.nl (195.121.6.37) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 28 Mar 1999 13:25:01 -0000 Received: from pc ([195.121.76.192]) by smtp03.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with SMTP id AAAC0A for ; Sun, 28 Mar 1999 15:24:59 +0200 Message-ID: <000201be791e$3dc43080$c04c79c3@pc> From: "Eric Dickens" To: "idolisto" Date: Sun, 28 Mar 1999 15:17:42 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Subject: [ido] Itere un poemo - un da Eugene N. Marais Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0006_01BE792E.204B12C0" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01BE792E.204B112C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" 28 marto 1999 Kar amiki, Me kontinuas sendar poemi. Ica es tradukita de l= a linguo Afrikaans, linguo qua havas mala reputeso kom "la linguo di aparth= eid". Me opinionas, ke lingui esas neutrala. Se l'existo di ne-demokratala = agado, ataki, imperialismo, represado, odio o "rasala netigado" da landi e = stati esus la kriterio por parolar o ne parolar partikulara linguon, nia mo= ndo povus devinar preske muta. E me povas dicar, ke mea propra Briti, quank= am me ipsa es altre tre felica esar Brito, esis l'unesmi qui uzis koncentra= do-lagri. En tala lagri pozesis la mulieri ed infanti di le Afrikaner en la= Angla-Bura* Milito (1899-1902). Proxime 22,000 mortis. Vi ne kredis lo? Qu= a do esis. e quon facis, Lord Kitchener en la sama tempo, kande proxime 30,= 000 farmeyi di le Afrikaner incendiesis? (Lektez: "South Africa - A Modern= History" Macmillan Press, London, 1987, pp.211-221) Milosevic ne esis la u= nesma uzar tala taktiko. Eugene N. Marais (1871-1936) naskis en Pretoria = Ilu esis poeto e prozaisto (kurta rakonti). En la poemo hike deskriptesas l= 'atmosfero dum la milito. Vintronokto O, glaciatra la brizo e kold. B= rilant en la lumo matid, e nud, tale larje quale la kompato di Deo, kus= has en astrolumo e devastado l' agri. Ed alte en la bordi Dissemit = en l'incendii es la herbo-semini an stipi quale signanta manui. O, tr= ista la melodieto kun esto-vinda mezuro, quale kansono di yunino ab= andonita ye sua amoro. En la pliso di singla herb-stipeto es rosoguteto= , qua rapide paleskas - pruino en la koldeso. *** Saluti, Eric Dicke= ns ----------------------------------------------------------------------= --ZZXX eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/list/idolisto Free Web-based e-m= ail groups by eGroups.com ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01BE792E.204B112C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable content-type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1"
28 marto 1= 999
 
Kar amiki,
 
Me= kontinuas sendar poemi. Ica es tradukita de la linguo Afrikaans, linguo q= ua havas mala reputeso kom "la linguo di apartheid". Me opinionas= , ke lingui esas neutrala. Se l'existo di ne-demokratala agado, ataki, imp= erialismo, represado, odio o "rasala netigado" da landi e stati = esus la kriterio por parolar o ne parolar partikulara linguon, nia mondo p= ovus devinar preske muta. E me povas dicar, ke mea propra Briti, quankam m= e ipsa es altre tre felica esar Brito, esis l'unesmi qui uzis koncentrado-= lagri. En tala lagri pozesis la mulieri ed infanti di le Afrikaner en la A= ngla-Bura* Milito (1899-1902). Proxime 22,000 mortis. Vi ne kredis lo? Qua= do esis. e quon facis, Lord Kitchener en la sama tempo, kande proxime 30,= 000  farmeyi di le Afrikaner incendiesis? (Lektez: "South Africa= - A Modern History" Macmillan Press, London, 1987, pp.211-221) Milos= evic ne esis la unesma uzar tala taktiko.
 
Euge= ne N. Marais (1871-1936) naskis en Pretoria  Ilu esis poeto e prozais= to (kurta rakonti). En la poemo hike deskriptesas l'atmosfero dum la milit= o.
 
Vintronokto
&= nbsp;
O, glaciatra la brizo=
    e kold.
Brilant en la= lumo matid,
    e n= ud,
tale larje quale la kompato di D= eo,
kushas en= astrolumo e devastado l' agri.=
    Ed alte= en la bordi
    Dissemit en l'incendii
es la her= bo-semini an stipi
  &nbs= p; quale signanta manui.
 
<= FONT size=3D2>O, trista la melodieto
    kun= esto-vinda mezuro,
quale kansono di yunino<= /DIV>
    abandonita ye sua amoro.
En la pliso di singla herb-stipeto
   = es rosoguteto,
qua rapide paleskas -
&nb= sp;   pruino en la koldeso.
 
***
=  
Saluti,
 
Eric Dickens
eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/list/idolisto
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------=_NextPart_000_0006_01BE792E.204B112C0-- From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 110 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 16591 invoked by uid 7770); 28 Mar 1999 14:25:35 -0000 Received: from www.minitel.net (HELO gmailint2.globalmail.net) (193.252.91.18) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 28 Mar 1999 14:25:35 -0000 Date: Sun, 28 Mar 1999 16:25:34 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199903281425.QAA13818@gmailint2.globalmail.net> From: jeanmartignon@minitel.net (JEAN MARTIGNON) Reply-To: jeanmartignon@minitel.net To: idolisto@egroups.com (IDOLISTO) MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] Bill Clinton Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Se onu deziras sendar mesajo a Bill Clinton lore on mustas skribar a : billclinton@minitel.net ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/list/idolisto Free Web-based e-mail groups by eGroups.com From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 111 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 27828 invoked by uid 7770); 28 Mar 1999 16:24:52 -0000 Received: from mout00.kundenserver.de (195.20.224.69) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 28 Mar 1999 16:24:52 -0000 Received: from [195.20.224.67] (helo=mx00.kundenserver.de) by mout00.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 10RIMl-0004o4-00; Sun, 28 Mar 1999 18:24:51 +0200 Received: from [212.81.171.219] (helo=www) by mx00.kundenserver.de with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 10RIMl-00052Z-00; Sun, 28 Mar 1999 18:24:51 +0200 Message-ID: <003c01be7937$4b5e8380$baae51d4@www.fen.baynet.de> From: "Frank Kasper" To: "Idolisto (Mesaji)" Cc: "Manfred Magin" Date: Sun, 28 Mar 1999 17:57:51 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Subject: [ido] Re: Antoni Myszakowski esas ret-atingebla! Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kara amiki! Kun grandega plezuro me volas saveskigar vi, ke mea longyara amiko Antoni Myszakowaski depos hodie anke havas propra e-postala adreso. Lu esas arivebla sub la sequanta e-postala adreso: abdank@box43.gnet.pl e tre vartas mesaji d'Idisti. Me quik konfiguros la kreita da me e-postala adreso antoni.myszakowski@idolinguo.de tale, ke Antoni automate recevos mesaji sendota ad ica adreso che lua propra postfako. Do, me ankore deziras a vi agreabla sundio! Kordiala saluti! Frank Kasper frank.kasper@idolinguo.de - webmaster@idolinguo.de ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/list/idolisto Free Web-based e-mail groups by eGroups.com From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 112 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 29343 invoked by uid 7770); 28 Mar 1999 17:49:18 -0000 Received: from lince.lander.es (195.76.46.35) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 28 Mar 1999 17:49:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 4424 invoked from network); 28 Mar 1999 17:49:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ppp-48-78.lander.es) (195.76.48.78) by lince.lander.es with SMTP; 28 Mar 1999 17:49:12 -0000 X-Sender: joser@lince.lander.es (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 To: idolisto@egroups.com From: "j.m.rodriguez" Subject: [ido] Palindromo Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kar Amiki: En la hispana linguo la vorto palindromo ank es PALINDROMO. La maxim famoza palindromo en la hispana linguo es: Dabale arroz a la zorra el abad. (L'abadulo donis rizo ad la foxino). Por ti qui prizas la palindromi me konsilas lektar en ANTOLOGIO DIL IDOLINGUO I, kompilita da Andreas Juste (1973), la pagini 166-169, ibe aparas artiklo da Karl Janotta (1921) pri palindromi en la lingui germana, latina e greka. Andreas JUSTE propozas longa palindromo en Ido, yen: IREZ A LA MAR-LITORO TIL RAMALA ZERI. Kordial Saluti de Hispania. Jose Maria Rodriguez Hernandez joser@lander.es ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/list/idolisto Free Web-based e-mail groups by eGroups.com From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 113 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 2099 invoked by uid 7770); 28 Mar 1999 19:30:20 -0000 Received: from smtp05.wxs.nl (195.121.6.57) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 28 Mar 1999 19:30:20 -0000 Received: from pc ([195.121.76.98]) by smtp05.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with SMTP id AAA35A1 for ; Sun, 28 Mar 1999 21:30:16 +0200 Message-ID: <000701be7951$457722a0$624c79c3@pc> From: "Eric Dickens" To: "idolisto" Date: Sun, 28 Mar 1999 21:25:41 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Subject: [ido] Poemi da Edith Sodergran Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001E_01BE7961.87F324C0" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ------=_NextPart_000_001E_01BE7961.87F3224C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" 28 marto 1999 Kar amiki, La deziro tradukar poemi vivas ankore en men. La= triesma poeto hodie es da Edith Sodergran. Edith Sodergran (1892-1923) es= as la maxim konocata poeto dil Finlandan-Sueda literaturo. Sodergran naskis= en la Karela istmo dil Finlandana Provinco dil Rusa Imperio e frequentas G= ermana skolo en St Petersburg. Elu adduktis la Modernismo aden la tota Sued= a literaturo, anke en Suedia. El habitas tre isolata ma kande el aquiris tu= berklozo el pasis tempo en Helsinki ed en sanatorio en Davos, Suisia. *= ** Nulo Esez kalma, mea infanto, existas nulo, ed omno es kom tu vidas:= la foresto, la fumo e la fugo di reli. Ulloke, tre fore, en stranjera land= o es plu blua cielo e muro kun rozi o palmo e plu milda vindo - e to es omn= o. Ne existas ulo ecepte la lumo sur ramo dil abieto, Existas nulo kisar pe= r varma labii, ed omna labii devinas kold pos tempo. Ma tu dicas, mea infan= to, ke tua kordio es potenta. e vivar futile es min kam mortar. Quon tu dez= iras del morto? Ka tu sentas la repugno quan ilua vesti difuzas e nulo es p= lu repugna kam morto per propra manuo. Ni povus amar la longa malad-hori di= l' vivo e streta yari de dezirego kom kurta momenti kande la dezerto flore= skas. *** Vierge moderne Me es nula muliero. Me esas neutrumo. Me es = infanto, pajo e kurajoza decido, me es ridanta strieto di skarlata suno... = Me es reto por omna glutema fishi me es tosto por la honoro di omna mulieri= , me es pazo vers chanco e dekado, me es salto aden libereso e l' ego... Me= es la susuro dil sango i l' orelo dil viro, me es la manjageso dil spirito= , la deziro e l' refuzo, me es entrado-avizo por nova paradisi. Me es flamo= , serchanta e brava, me es aquajo profunda, ma audacoza til la genui, me es= fairo ed aquo en honesta konjunto e ye libra kondicioni... *** La land= o qua ne esas Me deziregas la lando qua ne esas, nam omnon qua es, me es = fatigita dezirar. La luno rakontas ad me en runi de arjento pri la lando qu= a ne esas. La lando, ube omna nia dezirego satisfacesas, la lando, ube omna= nia kateni falas, la lando, ube ni koldigas sua lacerata fronto en la roso= dil luno. Mea vivo esis ardoranta kimero. Ma un kozon me deskovris ed un m= e vere ganis - la voyo vers la lando qua ne esas. En la lando qua ne esas= ibe promenas mea amata kun cintilifanta krono. Qua es mea amata? La nokto = es tenebra e l' astri tremas kom respondo. Qua es mea amata? Quo es lu nomo= ? La cieli arkigas plu e plu alte, e hom infanto dronas en senfina nebuli e= konocas nula respondo. Ma hom infanto es nulo ecepte certeso. Ed extensas = la brakii plu fore kam omna cieli. E venas respondo: Me es to qua tu amas e= sempre amos. *** Saluti, Eric Dickens -----------------------------= --------------------------------------------ZZXX eGroup home: http://www.eGr= oups.com/list/idolisto Free Web-based e-mail groups by eGroups.com ------=_NextPart_000_001E_01BE7961.87F3224C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable content-type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1"
28 marto 1999
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Kar amiki,
 
La deziro t= radukar poemi vivas ankore en men. La triesma poeto hodie es da Edith Sode= rgran.
 
Edith Sodergran (1892-1923) esas la max= im konocata poeto dil Finlandan-Sueda literaturo. Sodergran naskis en la K= arela istmo dil Finlandana Provinco dil Rusa Imperio e frequentas Germana = skolo en St Petersburg. Elu adduktis la Modernismo aden la tota Sueda lite= raturo, anke en Suedia. El habitas tre isolata ma kande el aquiris tuberkl= ozo el pasis tempo en Helsinki ed en sanatorio en Davos, Suisia.
 
 
***
 
Nulo
&nbs= p;
Esez kalma, mea infanto,= existas nulo,
ed omno es kom tu vidas: la foresto, la fu= mo e la fugo di reli.
Ulloke, tre fore, en stranjera lando=
es plu blua cielo e muro kun rozi
o palmo= e plu milda vindo -
e to es omno.
Ne exi= stas ulo ecepte la lumo sur ramo dil abieto,
Existas nulo = kisar per varma labii,
ed omna labii devinas kold pos tem= po.
Ma tu dicas, mea infanto, ke tua kordio es potenta.
e vivar futile es min kam mortar.
Quon tu = deziras del morto? Ka tu sentas la repugno quan ilua vesti difuzas<= /FONT>
e nulo es plu repugn= a kam morto per propra manuo.
Ni povus amar la longa malad= -hori di l' vivo
e streta yari de dezirego<= FONT color=3D#000080>
kom kurta momenti kande la dezerto floreskas.
<= /FONT> 
***
= <= U> 
= Vierge moderne
 
Me es nula muliero. Me esas neutrumo.
Me es infanto, pa= jo e kurajoza decido,
me es ridanta strieto di skarlata s= uno...
Me es reto por omna glutema fishi
m= e es tosto por la honoro di omna mulieri,
me es pazo vers = chanco e dekado,
me es salto aden libereso e l' ego...
Me es la susuro dil sango i l' orelo dil viro,=
me es la manjageso dil spirito, la deziro e l' refuzo,
= me es entrado-avizo por nova paradisi.=
Me es flamo, sercha= nta e brava,
me es aquajo profunda, ma audacoza til la ge= nui,
<= FONT color=3D#000080>me es fairo ed aquo en honesta konjunto e ye libra ko= ndicioni...
 
***
 
<= FONT size=3D3>La lando qua ne esas
 
Me deziregas la lando qua ne esas,
nam omnon qua e= s, me es fatigita dezirar.
La luno rakontas ad me en runi = de arjento
pri la lando qua ne esas.
La l= ando, ube omna nia dezirego satisfacesas,
la lando, ube om= na nia kateni falas,
la lando, ube ni koldigas sua lacerat= a fronto
en la roso dil luno.
Mea vivo= esis ardoranta kimero.
<= DIV>Ma un kozon me deskovris ed un me = vere ganis -
la voyo vers la lando qua ne esas.
 
En la lando qua ne esas
ibe= promenas mea amata kun cintilifanta krono.
Qua es mea ama= ta? La nokto es tenebra
<= DIV>e l' astri tremas kom respondo.
Qua es mea amata? Quo es lu nomo?
La cieli= arkigas plu e plu alte,
=
e hom infanto dronas en senfina = nebuli
e konocas nula respondo.
Ma hom i= nfanto es nulo ecepte certeso.<= /DIV>
Ed extensas la brakii plu f= ore kam omna cieli.
= E venas respondo: Me es to qua tu amas= e sempre amos.
 
***
 <= /DIV>
Saluti,
 
Eric Dickens
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TAKATA" To: "IDOLISTO" Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 07:01:35 +0900 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] Sekretaji dop la Historio mondala Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kara Sri Cibernauti:#3= danjeroza temo pri politiko **************************************************************** Kara Sro Jean MARTIGNON:#3 Pri militala sendependeso di Japonia **************************************************************** >No.1 Me esas tre favoroza ad Aziana Uniono e >No.2 Me esas tre entuziasmoza partisano dil sendependeso di Japonia > sen irga Usana trupi en la lando di la Levanta Suno. No.1 Kontre la situeso en Europa kun vaste komuna civilizeso, existas tota manko di komuneso inter diversa Aziana landi, to-quon onu ne bone savas, regretinde me nulamaniere povus imaginar la kozo quala Aziana Uniono. Me apene povus sonjar de Uniono di Konfuciana landi pos desfacila esforco. No.2 Nunatempe multa USAani pensas ke li ne devas protektar Japonia, nam la kusto engarnizonigar la trupi esas tro multa, lo-quan me tote ne kredas. La vera kauzo por mantenar da USA la trupi en Japonia esas lia pavorego ke sen l'USAana trupi, Japonia balde future divenus la quaresma imperio. E me tote devas konsentar kun la justa pavorego di USAana guvernamento. Onu ne povas savar multa sekretaji dop la Historio mondala, se lu ne povas komprenar numeroza lingui koncernanta. Tamen nur per Ido onu saveskas... En la moderna epoko di 20esma yarcento Japonia militis chefe kun 4 nacioni: Rusia, Chinia, Britania ed USA, qui vere konocas la forteso di Japonia. En libro da instituto di la Britaniana guvernamento skribesis respondo ad interesanta questiono: Qua armeo en la historio esis la maxim forta? Kompreninde me supozis ke la respondo devas esar olta di Jenghiz Khan. La granda imperio da Jenghiz Khan invadis omnube e mem konquestis l'Arabi. Ma apene Europa e Japonia vinkis l'imperio en Wahlstatt ed en Hakata. Ma ...Kontre mea expekto la respondo esis l'armeo di Japonia en la 2esma M.M. Ye 1905 Japonia exterminis l'eskadro Baltika di Rusia, fortega en ta tempo, en la Japoniana maro sen irga perdo sualatere. To esis tre rara evento. En la 2esma MondoMilito Granda Britania perdis sua teritorii en Azia inter kelka monati kontre Japonia ed unesme renkontris vera forteso militala. Britaniana ambasadisto olim dicis ke Britania-Japonia-federuro (1902-21) devus kontinue mantenesar por bone evitar konflikto inter amba nacioni. USA kombatadis kontre Japonia en la Pacifiko dum kelka yari e sentis vera pavorego kontre l'enemiko, nur pro to pose USA fole uzis kruela A-bombi. E me supozas ke Sro Donald GASPER ankore povus renkontrar kelka Chini, qui odiegas la Japoni ma samtempe respektas la forteso di l'olima enemiko. CHIANG Kai-shek kombatis kontre l'armeo Japoniana e MAO Tse-tung kun lua Komunisti e pose fugis a Taiwan. E pos la 2esma granda milito ilu sumnis kelka dek oficiri Japoniana, sua olima enemiki, ek "karceri" en Japonia sub USA aden Taiwan por pregar a li bone diciplinar sua febleta soldati kontre MAO Tse-tung e lua nekontebla Komunisti en la cheflando Chinia. CHIANG Kai-shek esis talentoza generalo, qua korekte evaluas la situeso. E l'oficeri Japoniana, qui esis kontre-Komunisti, quik formacis la tota soldati aden fortega armeo segun bona expekto da felica CHIANG Kai-shek. E la Komunista armeo, qua funde konocas l'armeo Japoniana, nule probis marchar tra la maro aden Taiwan: Lo kredesis esar pro USAana prezenteso. CHIANG Kai-shek ne tale fidis ad USA ma esforcegis defensar per su ipsa. Preske omna Chini, quin me renkontrabas, ne savis ica sekrtea fakto. Ma ankore vivas kelka atestanti en amba lateri. Ka vu povus kredar l'omno? Pos ke onu savabas la sekretaji dop la historio, semblas ke la guvernamento USAana esas ruzesaja, ne permisante la sendependeso militala di Japonia. Ma Europani ne povas kredar ke la Japoni esas tale forta, pos regardir la aktuala Japoni lojanta en Europa, qui nur aspektas mutonaro nule volfi. Anke me dicas ke li esas vere mutoni, pro ke li ja perdabas sua volfeso. Pro quo? La respondo es tote simpla. La Rusi sucecegis influar Japonia. Rusia pavoregis multople plu kam USA de rivivigo di militarismo Japoniana. Do Rusia facis omno por imperar l'instruktisti komunista en Japonia por edukar tam multa lernanti e studenti kam posible aden pseudopacifismo laborita en Moskva por ke la Japoni divenez saporoza mutoni por Rusia. Pro ke l'instruktisti en ca lando esis sub forta influo da Komunismo. Pos la falio di Komunismo en Rusia onu povas bone askoltar la vereso di la dopa ceno ke multa komunisti Japoniana recevadis pekunio de Moskva. Forsan preske 70%? de l'inteligenti Japoniana irge influesis da Komunismo. La situeso di Japonia stranje similesis lo di Britania kun inteligenti. Komunismo en 20esma yarcento esis altra Nigra-Morto sur la tota mondo. Ica Nigra-Morto ne maladigis la korpo ma invadis la kapo di inteligenti. Tamen ica maladeso finale ocidadis nekontebla korpi di ordinara populi. Pluse en Japonia Komunismo ya sucesis parturar numeroza mutoni Japoniana, e semblas ke la sendependeso militala ne esas/os posiblajo por la Japoni. Irgekande me diskutas kontre reda inteligenti Japona, me tre shokesas da lia nulsavo pri sua tradiciono e l'internaciona equilibro diplomacala. Felice inter neinteligenti Japona videsas ke ankore restabas Samurayi, qui povus quik rivivigar autentika e tradicionala Japonia sur la mondo. Ma lo esas/os neprobablajo, nam vera Samurayi esas absoluta minoritato. Me lernis la dopa historio, nam me es needukito nule influata da Komunismo. E me skribis omno ek mea lontana memoro, do plez* verifikar lo per vu ipsa. Japonia sen muzelo da USA certe aspektos volfo danjeroza por altra Aziani, quankam me konocas ke la Japoni ne esos tale danjeroza quale onu kredas. Tamen dum kelka tempo la trupi USAana esos kalmigivo por multa nacioni. Ka vu ankore esas tre entuziasmoza partisano dil sendependeso di Japonia sen irga Usana trupi en la lando di la Levanta Suno? -> Mealatere, NO! Pri Suisia, me triste konsideras Suisia kom parazito, voluntez pardonar me, en Europa, nam li povabas felice prosperar sur sakrifiko di tota Europa. E stranje por me, Suisia esas un de la maxim prizata nacioni por la Japoni. Kelka Japoni dicis a me ke Suisia esas utopio por li sur la mondo e Japonia esforcez divenar altra Suisia. E me apene povis opresar mea fola ridego. Me sincere dezirus demandar jeneroza pardono de vu, Sro Jean MARTIGNON, nam me irgube esas hucpozo* e prizas dicar ke l'oreli dil rejo esas di asno! ---------------------------------------------------------------- Adio! .....sincere via, B.Y.T. .....Idisto ed Idiotisto pro mea limitizita edukado ed anke Ido-Kavaliero kun abundanta hucpo* e numeroza erori **************************************************************** Plez* indikar mea erori pri vorti, gramatiko, dicmaniero ec., nam me esas nura ne-edukito e devas lernar dum ke me vivas. Me sempre esperas, samideani, via amikeso por EXTRA prenar peno de via parto por instruktar me, qua durstas ye savo ulaspecala. Tamen en rara kazo kande me savas plu bone kam vi, me volunte transdonos mea humila savo a vi segun via bezoni. **************************************************************** ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/list/idolisto Free Web-based e-mail groups by eGroups.com From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 115 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 6238 invoked by uid 7770); 28 Mar 1999 22:31:36 -0000 Received: from mail2.ip.pt (194.79.69.132) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 28 Mar 1999 22:31:36 -0000 Received: from clientec (pm-lx-4-17.net.ip.pt [195.23.4.81]) by mail2.ip.pt with ESMTP id XAA02197 for < idolisto@egroups.com>; Sun, 28 Mar 1999 23:31:34 +0100 (WEST) Message-Id: <199903282231.XAA02197@mail2.ip.pt> Reply-To: From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Gon=E7alo_Neves?=" To: "IDOLISTO" Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 22:30:15 +0100 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] Re: Poemi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Jose Hernandez skribis: >La poemi, quin Gon�alo NEVES ofras ad omna ni, igas me pensar ke us posibla >editar balde libro-poemo en nia linguo, sive originala sive kom la duesma >tomo dil Esperantal Antologio en Idolinguo editata da Tazio Carlevaro en la >yaro 1977. La Esperantal Antologio da Carlevaro esante tote exhaustita, ica skopo es dezirinda. Me esforcos kontributar ad ol. Me questionis Carlevaro kad il povas vendar a me fotokopiuri di ta libro, ma il respondis ke to es neposibla, pro la malega qualeso dil originalajo. Kun kordiala saluto, Gon�alo Neves ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/list/idolisto Free Web-based e-mail groups by eGroups.com From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 116 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 6263 invoked by uid 7770); 28 Mar 1999 22:31:43 -0000 Received: from mail2.ip.pt (194.79.69.132) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 28 Mar 1999 22:31:43 -0000 Received: from clientec (pm-lx-4-17.net.ip.pt [195.23.4.81]) by mail2.ip.pt with ESMTP id XAA02228 for < idolisto@egroups.com>; Sun, 28 Mar 1999 23:31:42 +0100 (WEST) Message-Id: <199903282231.XAA02228@mail2.ip.pt> Reply-To: From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Gon=E7alo_Neves?=" To: "IDOLISTO" Date: Sun, 28 Mar 1999 16:26:02 +0200 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] poemo (NI SAVAS) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Yen nova poemo da me: NI SAVAS Hodie me sonjis tu, e tu sonjata sonjis me. Nia cerebri amorcis sua ebulianta telepatio e posibligis juo-fluo qua eterne duris kurte. Tu savas ke me savas ke ne saturas tun la soko qua plugas omnanokte tua glebi extersonje. Me savas ke tu savas ke indijas mea karno la plezuri quin ni sizas dum duras la kurento cerebral de mea metropolo a tua vilajo petroza, de tua filistreso ravisiva a mea rafineso enoyanta. Ni savas ke nia kisi rekalkesis en nia fibri maxim mikra, ke nia korpi nun kareas la mondo dil reala tushi, ke li diletas nur la sonji, ke li rikonstruktesas en la sonji, ke li trovas nutrivi en sonji, ke li respiras en la sonji, ke li es kapabla sizar la sonji e venar en mondo trans la karno, ube la sonji divenas materio korpal e la materio korpal riatingas la nivelo di sonji. Ibe, nur ibe, ni savas lo, nia anmi povas durar l' amoro, quan sufokis cirkondanti sen konoco pri la vera identeso di Amoro. Lu savas ke ni savas lo, e Lu protektos ni por sempre, mem kontre ligili sancionita da Lu mem, nam Lu savas ke lo olima mustas serchar su ipsa en lo nuna. Ni savas sen suciar lo. Gon�alo Neves ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/list/idolisto Free Web-based e-mail groups by eGroups.com From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 117 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 30654 invoked by uid 7770); 28 Mar 1999 23:19:55 -0000 Received: from mail2.ip.pt (194.79.69.132) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 28 Mar 1999 23:19:55 -0000 Received: from clientec (pm-lx-9-38.net.ip.pt [195.23.96.230]) by mail2.ip.pt with ESMTP id AAA17717 for < idolisto@egroups.com>; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 00:19:52 +0100 (WEST) Message-Id: <199903282319.AAA17717@mail2.ip.pt> Reply-To: From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Gon=E7alo_Neves?=" To: "IDOLISTO" Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 00:04:28 +0200 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] palindromo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hans skribis: >Anke, la signifiko di ta vorto, me >pensis ke ol nur esez inversigebla sen chanjar la signifiko, por exemplo: >oxo, ili, otito, ovo, oro (yes, me nur rapidete traserchis la dicionario >che 'o'), edc. Hans es tote justa. Me donis eroroza defino di "palindromo". La justa defino es: *palindromo: vorto, frazo o verso qua povas lektesar desinistre addextre o dedextre adsinistre, pro havar la sama senco en la du sensi. Exempli: oxo, ili, otito, oro. Gon�alo Neves ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/list/idolisto Free Web-based e-mail groups by eGroups.com From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 119 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 9556 invoked by uid 7770); 29 Mar 1999 09:40:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mga2.primo.co.jp) (210.145.40.130) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 29 Mar 1999 09:40:11 -0000 Received: from mga2.primo.co.jp (unverified [210.145.40.140]) by mga2.primo.co.jp (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 18:43:41 +0900 Message-ID: From: "Bebson Y. TAKATA" To: "IDOLISTO" Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 18:37:36 +0900 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] Voluntez helpar (a) me, needukito. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kara Sri Cibernauti: #2 Plez* helpar (a) me pri gramatiko di Ido! Recente la tablo chanjis su e Sro Zeno EXE divenis mea instruktisto, nam ilu sempre pensigas me pri numeroza problemi, quin me ne pensis antee. Funciono-Zeno(Bebson)=problemaro : Funciono-Zeno(Zeno)=la solvuro Hodie pri troa personigo e vivanta ESAR: Me ne savas, do me devas lernar. Mem por Sro Zeno EXE, "The table eats" esas troa personigo, ma ne por me: The table eats all my energy to memorize the table of chemical elements. Nam la tablo ne vivas, esas senmova quale tale esas "the quality" por ilu. En l'Angla, "to-verbo" darfas unike sequar la substantivo movebla, pro ke la senmovesa substantivi quala "the quality" ne movas, ne bezonas verbi. The quality to say ... esas tre mala stilo o mem SENSENCA por Sro Zeno EXE. Pro ke "The quality to say ..." esas kompreninde troa personigo por ilu. Je n'ai pas qualite' pour dire ... ne permisesas en l'Angla. Kontrastante, la substantivo movala quala "tendency" darfas laborar kun verbi quale ... I had a peculiar tendency to use the word quality for "tendency", because.. quality is static, tendency is dynamic, so my quality is a dynamic quality. Me pensis pro quo. Me regardis -es- en qual-es-o, e trovis ke ESAR es fixa en Germanala lingui Ed ESAR es amba fixa e vivanta en Latinida lingui. ESAR mem mankas en la Rusa che prezento. HoLala! Quale sentas la Rusi? ----------- Fixa ESAR ---: Vivanta ESAR, movanta ESAR Angla---:---- be ----------- mankas, kelkatempe "is being" Germana-:---- sein --------- mankas Franca--:---- ^etre -------- ^etre Hispana-:---- ser ---------- estar Itala---:---- 'essere ------ stare Rusa----:---- mankas ------- mankas Do qual-ES-o esas vivanta por parolanti di Latinida lingui kun pasioni. ESAR es balanco vibranta, vivas por stabileskar quaze sur tensita kordo. Por Angle-parolanti ESAR es fixa ja mortinta, ne pluse ocilas: 5Kg esas 5Kg Chefa parti di Ido esas verbi, ne substantivi, do Ido plu movas kam restas. Ido havas qualeso (por) dicar ke Ido esas tre vivanta Internaciona linguo. Hagiydah na shemekha: Voluntez dicar vua nomo. Ho! Mea Deo! La vera nomo di Deo por la Judi e la Kristani es "Me esas to quo Me esas." Ma hike ESAS ne fixa ESAS ma vivanta ESAS. Do me dicas ke la vera nomo es "Me vivante esas to quo Me vivante esas." Esas vivas e ne povas esar fixa. Konseque me sentas Idala -ES-o kom amba substantivala e verbala -ES-o: -ES-o (por) facar o movar. Ka me esas fola avan omna Idisti hike? Me humile dezirus savar to quon vere sentas Idisti pri Idala -ES-o. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Adio! .....sincere via, B.Y.T. .....Idisto ed Idiotisto pro mea limitizita edukado ed anke Ido-Kavaliero kun abundanta hucpo* e numeroza erori **************************************************************** Plez* indikar mea erori pri vorti, gramatiko, dicmaniero ec., nam me esas nura ne-edukito e devas lernar dum ke me vivas. Me sempre esperas, samideani, via amikeso por EXTRA prenar peno de via parto por instruktar me, qua durstas ye savo ulaspecala. Tamen en rara kazo kande me savas plu bone kam vi, me volunte transdonos mea humila savo a vi segun via bezoni. **************************************************************** ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/list/idolisto Free Web-based e-mail groups by eGroups.com From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 121 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 8855 invoked by uid 7770); 29 Mar 1999 12:51:04 -0000 Received: from smtp03.wxs.nl (195.121.6.37) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 29 Mar 1999 12:51:03 -0000 Received: from pc ([195.121.78.176]) by smtp03.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with SMTP id AAA5C56 for ; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 14:50:58 +0200 Message-ID: <004701be79e2$a7c30be0$b04e79c3@pc> From: "Eric Dickens" To: "idolisto" Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 14:49:09 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Subject: [ido] la gafhireso dil palindromo Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit 29 marto 1999 Kar amiki, Hans Stuifbergen volas savar ulon pri la "gafhireso" dil vorto "palindromo" G = Palindrom A = palindrome F = palindrome H = palindromo I = palindromo R = palindrom Sueda = palindrom Dana = palindrom Nederlanda = palindroom Afrikaans = palindroom Estona = palindroom Polona = palindrom Esperanto = spegulvorto e palindromo* Nur la plu puristal lingui kom la Islanda, Fina, Lituana e Hungara forsan (ma me ne savas) havas ulo diferanta. Do, me ne kredas, ke adminime homi en Europa konsiderus la Idovorto "palindromo" kom problemo. Me havas un problemo: pro quo, kande la vorto "palindromo" skribesas retroe, ne produktesas palindromo, vice to la leda "omordnilap", qua plu multe resemblas Volapuk kam "retro-Ido"? Saluti, Eric Dickens ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/list/idolisto Free Web-based e-mail groups by eGroups.com From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 122 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 17844 invoked by uid 7770); 29 Mar 1999 15:16:20 -0000 Received: from smtp03.wxs.nl (195.121.6.37) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 29 Mar 1999 15:16:20 -0000 Received: from pc ([195.121.77.59]) by smtp03.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with SMTP id AAA2890 for ; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 17:15:13 +0200 Message-ID: <000f01be79f6$cda7e240$3b4d79c3@pc> From: "Eric Dickens" To: "idolisto" Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 17:14:08 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Subject: [ido] Tri poemi da Knuts Skujenieks Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000A_01BE7A07.8E58DA20" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01BE7A07.8E58DDA20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" lundio, 2 marto 1999 Kar amiki, Hodie, me esas tradukinta tri poemi skri= bita da Knuts Skujenieks. Knuts Skujenieks naskis ye1935 en Riga, Latvia e= d es poeto, folkloristo e tradukisto. La yari1962-1969 il pasis en karcer-l= agro in Mordvinia en la Rusa Republiko - e cirkum 1 500 kilometri fore de L= atvia - pro ke il havis "Encyclopedia Britannica" heme! Nuntempe, Knuts Sku= jenieks habitas Riga e havas spozino, filulo e filino. Il es la prezidanto = di la PEN-centro di Latvia. Knuts Skujenieks, simile al Estona proz-autoro= Jaan Kross, un altra Balta autoro kelka verki di qua me esas tradukanta, t= ransvivis la karcer-lagri psikologiale pro ke il havis sentado de ironio, p= aradoxo e humuro. Ico ne signifikas, tamen, ke il skribis drola poezio, plu= juste poemi tre homala e humana. Pro ke mea konoco dil Latva linguo es re= striktata, me uzis anke la traduko aden la Sueda linguo da Juris Kronbergs,= la filulo di Latva refujinto, e qua nuntempe esas la kulturala atasheo dil= Latvia Republiko en Stockholm. (Ma me anke komparis ilua traduki ad la ori= ginala texti!) *** Ye la 6-a mayo 1965 07.20 kloki, t. + 2 gradi Celsius = Me atestas. Me konocas la yuro. Me promesas dicar nur la vereso. Ed ico e= s vera: Ke la matino-saluto havas glac-kolda manui, Ke la riveri iritesas = per bufata veini, Ke amikeso transformesas ad rusto, Ke la sulo fermentacas= e spumifas en nigra-bruna sudoro, Ke yusteso es bunta amasigeso, Ke ad arb= i refuzesas lia verda volo, Ke la pint-filo ploras quale batit infanti, Ke = la vorti di poemo havas valoro di anciena ragi, Ke la burjoni ne savas plus= e, sive sprosifar, sive putrar, Ke mortar es plu facila kam esar vivanta. = *** Isaak Babel Sur la nazo binokli ed en la kordio autuno... Autuno e re= voluciono. La revoluciono forgalopis por liberigar la laboranta populo E br= ulis abeli en Volhynia. En la kordio autuno ed en la manuo espado. Ne-efik= ant espado en ne-efikanta manuo. La maxim ne-efikanta del kavalrio dil revo= luciono, E la maxim bona del poeti dil revoluciono. Originalo. Ne-speciali= sto en aferi e viulino-pleo. Ne-specialisto en oportunismo. Maestro di hibr= ideso. Ridado e koagulita sango. De la ne-komfortoza selo pensado ekfrapit= a. Vivo kun retroiranta dato. Sur la nazo binokli ed en la kordio autuno. = *** Quon me esas saveskinta dum mea quin yari de kaptiteso Me savas senta= r ke la tero rotacas e konjelar la historio a pinto me savas kanalion til= nudeso desvestigar per kelka vorti me savas komprenar homi qui ipsa tran= sformas sua kaptiteso en ne-libereso me savas mentiar per sakrala neveraj= i e proklamar ne-nobla veresi me savas dicernar la difero di abieto e lar= ico per odoro e graveso me savas furteme glidar til animalo di foresto en= amoro ed odio e previdar mea futuro previdar tua futuro previdar la ru= da konturi di multa yari futura vere, ca talento es magra ma ulo malgre t= o *** Saluti, Eric Dickens ----------------------------------------= --------------------------------ZZXX eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/li= st/idolisto Free Web-based e-mail groups by eGroups.com ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01BE7A07.8E58DDA20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable content-type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1"
 
l= undio, 2 marto 1999

Kar amiki,

Hodie, me esas tradukinta tri = poemi skribita da Knuts Skujenieks.

Knuts Skujenieks naskis ye1935 = en Riga, Latvia ed es poeto, folkloristo e tradukisto. La yari1962-1969 il= pasis en karcer-lagro in Mordvinia en la Rusa Republiko - e cirkum 1 500 = kilometri fore de Latvia - pro ke il havis "Encyclopedia Britannica&q= uot; heme! Nuntempe, Knuts Skujenieks habitas Riga e havas spozino, filulo= e filino. Il es la prezidanto di la PEN-centro di Latvia.

Knuts Sk= ujenieks, simile al Estona proz-autoro Jaan Kross, un altra Balta autoro k= elka verki di qua me esas tradukanta, transvivis la karcer-lagri psikologi= ale pro ke il havis sentado de ironio, paradoxo e humuro. Ico ne signifika= s, tamen, ke il skribis drola poezio, plu juste poemi tre homala e humana.=

Pro ke mea konoco dil Latva linguo es restriktata, me uzis anke la= traduko aden la Sueda linguo da Juris Kronbergs, la filulo di Latva refuj= into, e qua nuntempe esas la kulturala atasheo dil Latvia Republiko en Sto= ckholm. (Ma me anke komparis ilua traduki ad la originala texti!)

*= **

Ye la 6-a mayo 1965
07.2= 0 kloki, t. + 2 gradi Celsius

Me atestas.
= Me konocas la yuro.
Me promesas dicar nur la vereso.

Ed ico es v= era:

Ke la matino-saluto havas glac-kolda manui,
Ke la riveri ir= itesas per bufata veini,
Ke amikeso transformesas ad rusto,
Ke la sul= o fermentacas e spumifas en nigra-bruna sudoro,
Ke yusteso es bunta am= asigeso,
Ke ad arbi refuzesas lia verda volo,
Ke la pint-filo ploras = quale batit infanti,
Ke la vorti di poemo havas valoro di anciena ragi,=
Ke la burjoni ne savas pluse, sive sprosifar, sive putrar,
Ke morta= r es plu facila kam esar vivanta.

***<= BR>
Isaak Babel

Sur = la nazo binokli ed en la kordio autuno...
Autuno e revoluciono.
La r= evoluciono forgalopis por liberigar la laboranta populo
E brulis abeli = en Volhynia.

En la kordio autuno ed en la manuo espado.
Ne-efika= nt espado en ne-efikanta manuo.
La maxim ne-efikanta del kavalrio dil r= evoluciono,
E la maxim bona del poeti dil revoluciono.

Originalo= . Ne-specialisto en aferi e viulino-pleo.
Ne-specialisto en oportunismo= . Maestro di hibrideso.
Ridado e koagulita sango.

De la ne-komfo= rtoza selo pensado ekfrapita.
Vivo kun retroiranta dato.
Sur la nazo= binokli ed en la kordio autuno.

***

Quon me esas saveskinta dum mea quin yari de kaptiteso
<= BR>Me savas sentar
= ke la tero rotacas
e konjelar la his= torio a pinto
=  
me savas kanalion
til nudeso desvestigar per kelka vorti
 
me savas komprenar=
homi<= FONT color=3D#000080>
qui ipsa transformas
<= DIV>sua kaptiteso en ne-libereso
 
<= FONT size=3D2>me savas mentiar
per s= akrala neveraji
e proklamar ne-nobla veresi=
 
me savas dicernar la difero di
= abieto e larico
per odoro e graveso
 
me savas furteme glidar
til animalo di = foresto
en amoro ed odio
=  
e previdar mea futuro
previdar tua futuro
 
<= FONT size=3D2>previdar la ruda konturi=
di multa yari futura
<= DIV>vere, ca talento es magra<= /FONT>
 
ma ulo malgre to
 
***
<= DIV> 
Saluti,
 
= Eric Dickens
eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/list/idolisto<= /a>
Free Web-based e-mail groups by = www.eGroups.com
------=_NextPart_000_000A_01BE7A07.8E58DDA20-- From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 123 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 27119 invoked by uid 7770); 29 Mar 1999 19:18:48 -0000 Received: from mout00.kundenserver.de (195.20.224.69) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 29 Mar 1999 19:18:48 -0000 Received: from [195.20.224.67] (helo=mx00.kundenserver.de) by mout00.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 10RhYc-0007fA-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 21:18:46 +0200 Received: from [212.81.175.113] (helo=www) by mx00.kundenserver.de with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 10RhYb-000041-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 21:18:46 +0200 Message-ID: <000901be7a18$be550800$71af51d4@www.fen.baynet.de> From: "Frank Kasper" To: "Idolisto (Mesaji)" Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 21:15:25 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Subject: [ido] Esez bonvenanta, kara amiko Antoni Myszakowski Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kara amiki! Kun grandega plezuro me povas informar vi, ke ni povas salutar longyara amiko da me kam nova membro en nia forumo. Mea kara longyara amiko Antoni Myszakowski de Polonia depos hodie vespere esas membro che "Idolisto". Me telefonis kun lu ed atingis lua permiso, insertar lua e-postala adreso aden "Idolisto", quan me lore quik facis. Me persone konocas mea kara amiko Antoni depos la komenco dil chanji en la lora Germana Demokratala Republiko ante preske dek yari. Lore me mem ankore lojis en la frontiera regiono dil Ex-GDR a Polonia e Chekia. Tamen me pro la stulta rejimo en la Ex-GDR dum dek yari ne povis vizitar Polonia. Quik pos la falio de la muro dil GDR ad West-Germania me anke itere havis la posibleso vizitar Polonia. Me uzis l'okaziono di mea unesma vizito en Polonia por irar ad Olesnica proxime de Wroclaw por vizitar mea lora korespond-amiko Antoni e lua familio. Me pasis agreablega neobliviebla dii che Antoni e lua familio e me ankore plusa foyi vizitis lu. En 1990 me salutis Antoni kun lua spozino dum kelka hori en mea lora lojeyo e ni komune vehis per l'automobilo d'Antoni a la tutgermana Ido-renkontro en Waldkappel, ube me anke l'unesma foyo renkontris Jacques Bol. Un foyo Antoni anke vizitis me kun lua tota familio. La recenta foyo me povis rividar mea kara amiko dum kurta tempo dum nia Ido-konfero 1998 en Bialobrzegi. La maxim granda surprizo por me esis lektar lua letro kun l'informo, ke lu nun havas konektajo aden l'interreto. Fine hiere atingis me lua unesma e-postala mesajo. Me pensas agar nome de vi omni, se me maxim kordiale bonvenigas nia kara amiko Antoni Myszakowski en nia Ido-interret-forumo "Idolisto". Do, kara Antoni! Esez bonvenanta en nia interret-forumo "Idolisto"!! Me deziras a tu multa plezuro e multa neobliviebla Ido-experienci en nia rondo e ke tu trovez multa nova amiko per tua nova posiblesi di interkomunikado!! Kun la maxim kordiala ed amikala saluti! Frank Kasper frank.kasper@idolinguo.de - webmaster@idolinguo.de ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/list/idolisto Free Web-based e-mail groups by eGroups.com From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 124 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 25928 invoked by uid 7770); 29 Mar 1999 22:13:58 -0000 Received: from wya-lfd103.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (207.82.252.167) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 29 Mar 1999 22:13:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 21233 invoked by uid 0); 29 Mar 1999 22:13:52 -0000 Message-ID: <19990329221352.21232.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 206.167.80.240 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 14:13:51 PST From: "Martin Lavallee" To: idolisto@egroups.com Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 14:13:51 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] Pase Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kar amiki, Me esis sat okupat ica-semane e duras mea studii. Me remarkis joye mult poemi da divers autori e tradukeri en la linguo internaciona. Pri la votado, ol ya esas sat komplika, ma danke la klarigi donita recente, me konstatas ke en la votal pagino, ne esas la ret-adresi di siori Jacques Bol e Zeno, quankam li skribe manifestis la aprobo dil ideo. http://www.egroups.com/vote?method=displayallvotes&listname=idolisto o http://www.egroups.com/info/top?murl=/vote%3fmethod%3ddisplayallvotes%26listname%3didolisto Sioro Takata skribis: �Konseque me sentas Idala -ES-o kom amba substantivala e verbala -ES-o: -ES-o (por) facar o movar. Ka me esas fola avan omna Idisti hike?� No, kontree, vu posedas la linguo multe plu bone kam me! Maxim amike vin salutas, Martin Lavall�e http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/8009/idolinguo.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/list/idolisto Free Web-based e-mail groups by eGroups.com From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 125 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 27739 invoked by uid 7770); 30 Mar 1999 02:21:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mga2.primo.co.jp) (210.145.40.130) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 30 Mar 1999 02:21:51 -0000 Received: from mga2.primo.co.jp (unverified [210.145.40.140]) by mga2.primo.co.jp (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 11:24:58 +0900 Message-ID: From: "Bebson Y. TAKATA" To: "IDOLISTO" Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 11:15:13 +0900 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] Exter autentika skoli Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kara Sri Cibernauti:#1 Generalajo #2 Linguo #3 Politiko #4 Religio **************************************************************** Kara Sro Frank KASPER:#1 Mea multa danko a vu. **************************************************************** Me multe dankas a vu pro vua vivanta laboro kom administranto, pro to-qua hike Idisti recevas diversa komodaji omnadie e povas aktivesar. (^_^) **************************************************************** Kara Sro Antoni MYSZAKOWSKI:#1 Me amikale salutas vu. **************************************************************** Ni esas tre felica renkontrar vu che Idolisto. Ni kune laborez por Ido. **************************************************************** Kara Sro Maritn LAVALLE'E:#1 Ma me lernis lingui exter autentika skoli. **************************************************************** Ma multatempe vu posedas la linguo plu bone kam me! Dependas de okazioni! Quale olim Sro James CHANDLER dicis, Ido vere esas Tota-Europana linguo. Do ni devas sempre serchar tam bona e bela stilo di Ido kam posible. Ma lo esus tote ne posibla, se multa personi ne esforcus pensar qua esas qua. Exemple: Por me, helpar AD ulu, dankar AD ulu esas plu naturala kam sen AD. Ma ulatempe me dubitas ka ici es nur Germanajo, neprizata maniero da altri. E kelkatempe me vidas interesanta Germanajo da Sro Frank KASPER, to-qua es KAM anstat* kom, nam amba kam e kom esas konvenata "als" en la Germana. E me ipsa uzas multa kozi de mea idiosinkrazio en amba Ido e l'Angla kontre desprizo da Sro Zeno EXE e kelka-altra Idisti. Do kompromiso bezonesas. Onu povus libere uzar sua maniero, ma altri prefere devus ne imitar olu. Do kande onu citas altri, e se onu povus, plez* indikar nepreferajo per &. Exemple kande me dicas "quality to do", altri citez quale "quality& to do". Do kande me citos Sro Frank KASPER, permisez me citar quale kam& persono. Mea premiso esas: No! Mea sonjo ed espero e mem prego ad omna Idisti esas: Ido devas posedar la maxim bona stilo inter l'altra lingui en tota Europa. Pro ke me ja experiencis tro multa dicmaniero stultega en numeroza lingui. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Adio& .....sincere via, B.Y.T. .....Idisto ed Idiotisto pro mea limitizita edukado ed anke Ido-Kavaliero kun abundanta hucpo* e numeroza erori **************************************************************** Plez* indikar mea erori pri vorti, gramatiko, dicmaniero ec., nam me esas nura ne-edukito e devas lernar dum ke me vivas. Me sempre esperas, samideani, via amikeso por EXTRA prenar peno de via parto por instruktar me, qua durstas ye savo ulaspecala. Tamen en rara kazo kande me savas plu bone kam vi, me volunte transdonos mea humila savo a vi segun via bezoni. **************************************************************** ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/list/idolisto Free Web-based e-mail groups by eGroups.com From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 126 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 7810 invoked by uid 7770); 30 Mar 1999 12:27:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO localhost) (202.84.12.231) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 30 Mar 1999 12:27:20 -0000 Received: (fmail 27936 invoked from network); 30 Mar 1999 12:26:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hongkong.com) (202.84.12.129) by mx2 with SMTP; 30 Mar 1999 12:26:01 -0000 Received: (fmail 28295 invoked by uid 1300); 30 Mar 1999 12:27:01 -0000 Date: 30 Mar 1999 12:27:01 -0000 Message-ID: <19990330122701.28294.fmail@hongkong.com> Reply-To: don_gasper@hongkong.com From: don_gasper@hongkong.com To: idolisto@egroups.com Subject: [ido] Tri poemi da Knuts Skujenieks Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Kara cibernauti, Me lektis kun intereso la tradukuro da Eric Dickens. Ma to ne esas la unesma tradukuro di latvana poezio aden Ido. Dum la Sovietala periodo on publikigis en Riga kolekturo di tradukuri di poemo di famoza poeto latviana aden multa lingui, inkluzante Ido. La esperantisti plendis pro to ke on ne inkluzis esperanto. Me havas exemplero dil libro heme en Anglia ma ne memoras nun la preciza titulo. Forsan altra listano memoras pri ta libro? Amikale, Don Gasper ___________________________________________________________________________ http://www.hongkong.com - the only Asian portal site to receive a 1998 Standard of Excellence Award ! ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/list/idolisto Free Web-based e-mail groups by eGroups.com From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 127 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 20457 invoked by uid 7770); 30 Mar 1999 13:58:06 -0000 Received: from spartacus.a2000.nl (HELO smtp2.a2000.nl) (62.108.1.20) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 30 Mar 1999 13:58:06 -0000 Received: from node118d7.a2000.nl ([24.132.24.215] helo=default.a2000.nl) by smtp2.a2000.nl with esmtp (Exim 2.02 #4) id 10Rz1o-0002CW-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 15:58:04 +0200 From: "Ido-Info" To: "idolisto" Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 12:23:42 +0200 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: Subject: [ido] joyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Anke me deziras ad amiko Antoni Myszakowski: esez bon-venanta che Idolisto! Same kam Frank, anke me renkontris Antoni Myszakowski e sua tre afabla familio, tam en Polonia kam en Germania. Me ne povas adjuntar multe pluse a la vorti di Frank Kasper, nur ke me joyas ke Antoni anke povas partoprenar la rapida informo per e-posto. Saluti amikala, Hans St. ************************************************ Ido, linguo internaciona! 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Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000A_01BE7AD2.01CEBF40" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01BE7AD2.01CEBBF40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" 29 marto 1999 Pro quo tale multa poezio? Ka nov Antologio es praktikebla e= ntreprezajo? Kar amiki, Me esas tre joyoza, ke ulu - cafoye sro Gasper - = respondis pri la tradukeso di poezio. En ica hororinda milito-e-masakri per= iodo di nia kontinento, semblus forsan futila gesto tradukeskar poezio. O= n povas questionar: pro quo sro Dickens subite esas komencinta tradukar tal= e multa poemi en linguo, quon preske nula homo lektas? Por ke, ye la sama t= empo kande ocidesas tale multa homi interne di nia kontinento, me esforcas = pruvar, ke kulturala valori ankore vivas. Anke pruvar, ke nia Idolinguo es = kapabla instrumento per qua ni povas promotar ne nur la komputoral aspekti = di nia realitato, ma anke transportar la subtilaji dil esenco di kelka land= i e kulturi. Me joyas anke, ke poezio ankore tradukesis en Ido. Por me ips= a, la du motivi tradukar la poezio da Knuts Skujenieks es 1) por ke tala po= ko de sam-tempana Latva literaturo tradukesas generale, e 2) por ke Juliy D= aniel ed Andrei Sinyavski esas konocata en la tota mondo. Kontraste, Balta = ex-GuLag-karcerani-poeti od ex-karcerani-prozaisti es preske ne-konocata. E= me esas konvinkata, ke ca situaciono es rezulto de la mikreso dil linguo-a= reo, ne pro ke la Rusa poezio es necese supera. Me esforcas do pruvar, ke= la poezio ne es sterila, ne-politikala turmo de ivoro por akademiala intro= vertiti-diletanti. Linguo, quale dicis Andreas Juste, ne automate e magiatr= e adportas pacon e yuston - to es forsan la naiva penso dil Esperantisti. K= ulturala valori ne es instrumenti, oli esas skopo en su. Esis, exemple, la = kulturala e spiritala valori di poezio qua helpis Knuts Skujenieks kande il= esis en l' izolant-celulo, sen papero, plumo o krayono, ed ibe memorigis s= ua poemi. E, dum la yari en karcer-lagro, qui Skujenieks esas deskriptinta = kom "mea doktoro-studii" - por ke esis tale multa intelektozi en la lagro -= Julij Daniel anke tradukis poemi da Skujenieks en Rusa. La nigra-blank ima= jo, ke tota la Rusi odias tota la Balti, ed inverse, es tale primitiva dogm= o quale "Two legs - bad! Four legs - good!" (Du pedi mala! Quar pedi - bona= !) qua George Orwell tale efektive kritikis en "Animal Farm" (Farmeyo dil a= nimali). Me konocas, exemple, Estoni qua voluntale tradukis Rusa poemi en E= stona - t.e. en nuna tempo, ye l' epoko di ne-dependo. La mal aspekti di = tradiciono e kulturo ya duras dum yarcenti. Anke, fortunoze, le bona. Ed en= poezio es subtila sajeso qua tota la komputori en la mondo ne povus duplik= ar. L' interreto es pazo en bona direciono. Ma l' interreto anke ne esas sk= opo en su. L' interreto anke povas devinor religio od obsedajo. Do: me esp= eras, ke altra Idisti volos tradukar poezio. Ni facez nov Antologio en qua = trovesus poezio, kurta prozo ed altra "kozi kulturala". Qua volas helpar? = Saluti, Eric Dickens ---------------------------------------------------= ---------------------ZZXX eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/list/idolisto= Free Web-based e-mail groups by eGroups.com ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01BE7AD2.01CEBBF40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable content-type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" 29 marto 1999
 
Pro quo= tale multa poezio? Ka nov Antologio es praktikebla entreprezajo?
 
Kar amiki,
 
Me esas tre joyoza, ke ulu - cafoye sro Gasper - respondis pri la traduke= so di poezio. En ica hororinda milito-e-masakri periodo di nia kontinento,= semblus forsan futila gesto tradukeskar poezio.
 
=
On povas questionar: pro quo sro Dickens subite esas komencinta traduk= ar tale multa poemi en linguo, quon preske nula homo lektas? Por ke, ye la= sama tempo kande ocidesas tale multa homi interne di nia kontinento, me e= sforcas pruvar, ke kulturala valori ankore vivas. Anke pruvar, ke nia Idol= inguo es kapabla instrumento per qua ni povas promotar ne nur la komputora= l aspekti di nia realitato, ma anke transportar la subtilaji dil esenco di= kelka landi e kulturi.
 
Me joyas anke, ke poe= zio ankore tradukesis en Ido. Por me ipsa, la du motivi tradukar la poezio= da Knuts Skujenieks es 1) por ke tala poko de sam-tempana Latva literatur= o tradukesas generale, e 2) por ke Juliy Daniel ed Andrei Sinyavski esas k= onocata en la tota mondo. Kontraste, Balta ex-GuLag-karcerani-poeti od ex-= karcerani-prozaisti es preske ne-konocata. E me esas konvinkata, ke ca sit= uaciono es rezulto de la mikreso dil linguo-areo, ne pro ke la Rusa poezio= es necese supera.
 
Me esforcas do pruvar, ke = la poezio ne es sterila, ne-politikala turmo de ivoro por akademiala intro= vertiti-diletanti. Linguo, quale dicis Andreas Juste, ne automate e magiat= re adportas pacon e yuston - to es forsan la naiva penso dil Esperantisti.= Kulturala valori ne es instrumenti, oli esas skopo en su. Esis, exemple, = la kulturala e spiritala valori di poezio qua helpis Knuts Skujenieks kand= e il esis en l' izolant-celulo, sen papero, plumo o krayono, ed ibe memori= gis sua poemi. E, dum la yari en karcer-lagro, qui Skujenieks esas deskrip= tinta kom "mea doktoro-studii" - por ke esis tale multa intelekt= ozi en la lagro - Julij Daniel anke tradukis poemi da Skujenieks en Rusa. = La nigra-blank imajo, ke tota la Rusi odias tota la Balti, ed inverse, es = tale primitiva dogmo quale "Two legs - bad! Four legs - good!" (D= u pedi mala! Quar pedi - bona!) qua George Orwell tale efektive kritikis e= n "Animal Farm" (Farmeyo dil animali). Me konocas, exemple, Esto= ni qua voluntale tradukis Rusa poemi en Estona - t.e. en nuna tempo, ye l'= epoko di ne-dependo.
 
La mal aspekti di trad= iciono e kulturo ya duras dum yarcenti. Anke, fortunoze, le bona. Ed en po= ezio es subtila sajeso qua tota la komputori en la mondo ne povus duplikar= . L' interreto es pazo en bona direciono. Ma l' interreto anke ne esas sko= po en su. L' interreto anke povas devinor religio od obsedajo.
=  
Do: me esperas, ke altra Idisti volos tradukar poezio. Ni= facez nov Antologio en qua trovesus poezio, kurta prozo ed altra "ko= zi kulturala". Qua volas helpar?
 
Saluti,=
 
Eric Dickens
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Kar amiki, Ka tro multa poemi? Absolute ne! Me absolute konkordas Eric Dickens pri la valori di kulturo e la kapableso di nia linguo poemifar. Me lektabis omna tradukita ed originala poemi sendita ad Idolisto e tre prizas le maxim multa. Me kin foyi parlektis la desfacila (o plu bone: konfundiva) poemo da Lesmian, la poeto Polona. (Kar amiko Eric Dickens, me jus retrolektis vua tradukita poemo e konstatis ke en l' arkivo la poemo es bone ordinita, me recevis ol en formo kaosega! Ka to es pro ke vu sendis ol html-kodexizite? Ka to es la kauzo dil aspekto kaosa quale ol aparas en mea letrobuxo elektronika? Anke me probos tradukar poemi de mea latero, me ja ulafoye sendis poemi tradukita de la Hispana (da A. Machado) ad ula pagino di poemi ye l' interreto, me obtenis pasvorto por acesar ed insertar la poemi, ma pos tanta foyi riinstalar mea programo Windows, me perdis l' adreso e pasvorto, e me obliviis la nomo dil organizuro. Me anke entamis la traduko di "la Cindri di Gramsci", del Italiana, da Pier Paolo Pasolini, ma pos l' unesma pagino devis cesar mea probi, pro la desfacileso di la tasko. (Forsan sioro Carlo Nardini deziras helpar me?) Me tre prizas vidor nova antologio di Ido-poemi. Me es komplezanta partoprenar. Yen, la tradukuro di Recuerdo Infantil da Antonio Machado (sioro Jos� M. Dominguez, voluntez kontrolar mea probo) (lektez la poemo laute): "Memorajo Infantal" Griz e kolda posdimezo di vintro. La kolegiani studias. Monotoneso di la pluvo dop la kristali. Es la klaso. Sur afisho es reprezentata fuganta Kain e mortinta Abel, kun makulizo karmin Kun sono sonor e grondatra male vestizita, magra e sika, es tronizita l' oldo maestra qua en la manuo levas libro. E tote la koro infantal esos kantanta la leciono "milople cent, centamil milople mil, un miliono". Griz e kolda posdimezo di vintro. La kolegiani studias. Monotoneso di la pluvo sur la kristali. Saluti amikala, Hans St. ************************************************ Ido, linguo internaciona! Absolute vizitez: http://members.tripod.com/~avancigado ************************************************ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/list/idolisto Free Web-based e-mail groups by eGroups.com From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 130 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 27526 invoked by uid 7770); 30 Mar 1999 17:52:49 -0000 Received: from spartacus.a2000.nl (HELO smtp2.a2000.nl) (62.108.1.20) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 30 Mar 1999 17:52:49 -0000 Received: from node118d7.a2000.nl ([24.132.24.215] helo=default.a2000.nl) by smtp2.a2000.nl with esmtp (Exim 2.02 #4) id 10S2gy-0005u9-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 19:52:48 +0200 From: "Ido-Info" To: "idolisto" Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 19:56:57 +0200 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: Subject: [ido] kad ejakuliva problemi? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kar amiki, Por amiko me tradukis texti pri ejakuliva problemi. Se altri interesas pri ta problemo, vizitez la pagino: http://www.angelfire.com/id/Avance/ejakulado.html Saluti amikala, Hans St. ************************************************ Ido, linguo internaciona! Absolute vizitez: http://members.tripod.com/~avancigado ************************************************ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/list/idolisto Free Web-based e-mail groups by eGroups.com From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 131 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 528 invoked by uid 7770); 30 Mar 1999 19:05:09 -0000 Received: from web1.rocketmail.com (205.180.57.67) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 30 Mar 1999 19:05:09 -0000 Message-ID: <19990330184905.6734.rocketmail@web1.rocketmail.com> Received: from [206.167.80.240] by web1; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 10:49:05 PST Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 10:49:05 -0800 (PST) From: Lavalea Marteno To: idolisto@egroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] Progreso e diversaji. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kar amiki, Kelki esos surprizita vidar mea adreso en rocketmail vice hotmail. Kelkafoye hotmail male funcionas. Me do uzas mea altra adreso. Se ulu deziras skribar a me, lu uzez idolisto; tale la letro certe recevesos. Sioro BOL Jacques skribis: �Wavre, 26/3/99; Kar amiki, Hodie me dissendesis Progreso n�315 en qua , ye la lasta instanto, me insertis folieto informanta pri la fino di Idol e la kreo di "Idolisto" ed indikanta la nova retala adresi. Pri la BIBLIOGRAFIO DI IDO, la nova verko da T.Carlevaro e Haupenthal, vi trovos en ica numero, omna detali necesa ed utila; ed anke pri du altra verki a qua esas laboranta Carlevaro; do ne necesa skribar a lu por obtenar informi, omno trovesas en Progreso 315.� Sempre plezure me lektas la Ido-revui. Letron Internaciona e la Kordiegon Geyal me maxim joye recevis e sincerege dankas la kontributanti. Pri Progreso me vartas ol senpaciente. �Pri USENET, me ne kredas ke on povas opozar su a to pos lektir l'expliki da nia amiko Zeno e me votas yes, quankam me ne vere savas to quo ol esas e quale to funcionas.� Sioro ZENO certe povos helpar vu quale votar por ol. Saluti kordial ad omni, Martin ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/list/idolisto Free Web-based e-mail groups by eGroups.com From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 132 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 3845 invoked by uid 7770); 30 Mar 1999 19:11:47 -0000 Received: from web1.rocketmail.com (205.180.57.67) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 30 Mar 1999 19:11:47 -0000 Message-ID: <19990330185543.8404.rocketmail@web1.rocketmail.com> Received: from [206.167.80.240] by web1; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 10:55:43 PST Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 10:55:43 -0800 (PST) From: Lavalea Marteno To: idolisto@egroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] Tro multa poezio? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kar amiki, La ideo da sioro Eric Dickens esas tre bona. Desfelice me ne povas nun sustenar lu per tradukado. Un ek mea prioresi esas tradukar la Evangelio en Ido, pose se posibla la tota Biblo. Ya en ol trovesas poezio. Me esas tre okupata ca-tempe pro mea studii e apene lernas Ido. Ico pos kelka monati cesesos danke mea diplomesko. Kompreneble me kompros la libri quin sioro Dickens elaboros en Ido. Me printis la letro sube por lektar dum mea autobusal voyirado. Saluti kordial ad omni, Martin > Kar amiki, > > Me esas tre joyoza, ke ulu - cafoye sro Gasper - respondis pri la tradukeso di poezio. En ica hororinda milito-e-masakri periodo di nia kontinento, semblus forsan futila gesto tradukeskar poezio. > > On povas questionar: pro quo sro Dickens subite esas komencinta tradukar tale multa poemi en linguo, quon preske nula homo lektas? Por ke, ye la sama tempo kande ocidesas tale multa homi interne di nia kontinento, me esforcas pruvar, ke kulturala valori ankore vivas. Anke pruvar, ke nia Idolinguo es kapabla instrumento per qua ni povas promotar ne nur la komputoral aspekti di nia realitato, ma anke transportar la subtilaji dil esenco di kelka landi e kulturi. > > Me joyas anke, ke poezio ankore tradukesis en Ido. Por me ipsa, la du motivi tradukar la poezio da Knuts Skujenieks es 1) por ke tala poko de sam-tempana Latva literaturo tradukesas generale, e 2) por ke Juliy Daniel ed Andrei Sinyavski esas konocata en la tota mondo. Kontraste, Balta ex-GuLag-karcerani-poeti od ex-karcerani-prozaisti es preske ne-konocata. E me esas konvinkata, ke ca situaciono es rezulto de la mikreso dil linguo-areo, ne pro ke la Rusa poezio es necese supera. > > Me esforcas do pruvar, ke la poezio ne es sterila, ne-politikala turmo de ivoro por akademiala introvertiti-diletanti. Linguo, quale dicis Andreas Juste, ne automate e magiatre adportas pacon e yuston - to es forsan la naiva penso dil Esperantisti. Kulturala valori ne es instrumenti, oli esas skopo en su. Esis, exemple, la kulturala e spiritala valori di poezio qua helpis Knuts Skujenieks kande il esis en l' izolant-celulo, sen papero, plumo o krayono, ed ibe memorigis sua poemi. E, dum la yari en karcer-lagro, qui Skujenieks esas deskriptinta kom "mea doktoro-studii" - por ke esis tale multa intelektozi en la lagro - Julij Daniel anke tradukis poemi da Skujenieks en Rusa. La nigra-blank imajo, ke tota la Rusi odias tota la Balti, ed inverse, es tale primitiva dogmo quale "Two legs - bad! Four legs - good!" (Du pedi mala! Quar pedi - bona!) qua George Orwell tale efektive kritikis en "Animal Farm" (Farmeyo dil animali). Me konocas, exemple, Estoni qua voluntale tradukis Rusa poemi en Estona - t.e. en nuna tempo, ye l' epoko di ne-dependo. > > La mal aspekti di tradiciono e kulturo ya duras dum yarcenti. Anke, fortunoze, le bona. Ed en poezio es subtila sajeso qua tota la komputori en la mondo ne povus duplikar. L' interreto es pazo en bona direciono. Ma l' interreto anke ne esas skopo en su. L' interreto anke povas devinor religio od obsedajo. > > Do: me esperas, ke altra Idisti volos tradukar poezio. Ni facez nov Antologio en qua trovesus poezio, kurta prozo ed altra "kozi kulturala". Qua volas helpar? > > Saluti, > > Eric Dickens > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/list/idolisto > Free Web-based e-mail groups by eGroups.com > >
29 marto 1999
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Pro quo tale multa poezio? Ka nov Antologio es praktikebla entreprezajo?
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Me esas tre joyoza, ke ulu - cafoye sro Gasper - respondis pri la tradukeso di poezio. En ica hororinda milito-e-masakri periodo di nia kontinento, semblus forsan futila gesto tradukeskar poezio.
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On povas questionar: pro quo sro Dickens subite esas komencinta tradukar tale multa poemi en linguo, quon preske nula homo lektas? Por ke, ye la sama tempo kande ocidesas tale multa homi interne di nia kontinento, me esforcas pruvar, ke kulturala valori ankore vivas. Anke pruvar, ke nia Idolinguo es kapabla instrumento per qua ni povas promotar ne nur la komputoral aspekti di nia realitato, ma anke transportar la subtilaji dil esenco di kelka landi e kulturi.
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Me joyas anke, ke poezio ankore tradukesis en Ido. Por me ipsa, la du motivi tradukar la poezio da Knuts Skujenieks es 1) por ke tala poko de sam-tempana Latva literaturo tradukesas generale, e 2) por ke Juliy Daniel ed Andrei Sinyavski esas konocata en la tota mondo. Kontraste, Balta ex-GuLag-karcerani-poeti od ex-karcerani-prozaisti es preske ne-konocata. E me esas konvinkata, ke ca situaciono es rezulto de la mikreso dil linguo-areo, ne pro ke la Rusa poezio es necese supera.
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Me esforcas do pruvar, ke la poezio ne es sterila, ne-politikala turmo de ivoro por akademiala introvertiti-diletanti. Linguo, quale dicis Andreas Juste, ne automate e magiatre adportas pacon e yuston - to es forsan la naiva penso dil Esperantisti. Kulturala valori ne es instrumenti, oli esas skopo en su. Esis, exemple, la kulturala e spiritala valori di poezio qua helpis Knuts Skujenieks kande il esis en l' izolant-celulo, sen papero, plumo o krayono, ed ibe memorigis sua poemi. E, dum la yari en karcer-lagro, qui Skujenieks esas deskriptinta kom "mea doktoro-studii" - por ke esis tale multa intelektozi en la lagro - Julij Daniel anke tradukis poemi da Skujenieks en Rusa. La nigra-blank imajo, ke tota la Rusi odias tota la Balti, ed inverse, es tale primitiva dogmo quale "Two legs - bad! Four legs - good!" (Du pedi mala! Quar pedi - bona!) qua George Orwell tale efektive kritikis en "Animal Farm" (Farmeyo dil animali). Me konocas, exemple, Estoni qua voluntale tradukis Rusa poemi en Estona - t.e. en nuna tempo, ye l' epoko di ne-dependo.
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La mal aspekti di tradiciono e kulturo ya duras dum yarcenti. Anke, fortunoze, le bona. Ed en poezio es subtila sajeso qua tota la komputori en la mondo ne povus duplikar. L' interreto es pazo en bona direciono. Ma l' interreto anke ne esas skopo en su. L' interreto anke povas devinor religio od obsedajo.
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Do: me esperas, ke altra Idisti volos tradukar poezio. Ni facez nov Antologio en qua trovesus poezio, kurta prozo ed altra "kozi kulturala". Qua volas helpar?
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Saluti,
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Eric Dickens
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------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/list/idolisto Free Web-based e-mail groups by eGroups.com From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 133 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 12656 invoked by uid 7770); 30 Mar 1999 21:20:41 -0000 Received: from spartacus.a2000.nl (HELO smtp2.a2000.nl) (62.108.1.20) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 30 Mar 1999 21:20:41 -0000 Received: from node118d7.a2000.nl ([24.132.24.215] helo=default.a2000.nl) by smtp2.a2000.nl with esmtp (Exim 2.02 #4) id 10S5w7-0002mD-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 23:20:39 +0200 From: "Ido-Info" To: "idolisto" Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 23:24:49 +0200 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: Subject: [ido] Kosovo e Serbia Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Amiki, Ti qui deziras lektar la historio di Kosovo e Serbia, lektez "Kordiolando di Serbia" ye pagino: http://www.angelfire.com/id/Avance/kordiolando.html Saluti amikala, Hans St. ************************************************ Ido, linguo internaciona! Absolute vizitez: http://members.tripod.com/~avancigado ************************************************ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/list/idolisto Free Web-based e-mail groups by eGroups.com From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 134 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 22241 invoked by uid 7770); 31 Mar 1999 05:54:38 -0000 Received: from www.minitel.net (HELO gmailint1.globalmail.net) (193.252.91.17) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 31 Mar 1999 05:54:38 -0000 Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 07:54:38 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199903310554.HAA04216@gmailint1.globalmail.net> From: jeanmartignon@minitel.net (JEAN MARTIGNON) Reply-To: jeanmartignon@minitel.net (JEAN MARTIGNON) To: idolisto@egroups.com (IDOLISTO) MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] [Fwd: Nostradamus] Content-Type: message/rfc822; Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: jeanmartignon@minitel.net (JEAN MARTIGNON) Reply-To: jeanmartignon@minitel.net Received: from localhost; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 22:44:48 +0100 Message-Id: <19990330224448@minitel.net> To: idolisto@egroups.com (IDOLISTO) Errors-To: jeanmartignon@minitel.net Subject: Nostradamus X-MinitelNet: LU MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Kara cibernauti, La granda profeto Franca dil 16ma yarcento Nostradamus skribis : En 1999, sept mois Du ciel viendra grand roi plein d'effrayeurressusciter le grand roi d'AngolmoisAvant apres mars regner par bonheur. Ito povas tradukesar proximume ad Ido : En 1999, ye la sepesma monato Del cielo venos granda rejo pavoriganta qua rezurektigos la granda rejo di Angulemia (regiono di Angouleme, urbo en sudwest-Francia)Ante, pos la milito regnos felice. Onu komprenas la profetaji di Nostradamus erste pos lia efektigo. Ma por ica yaro, esas klara ke ulo grava eventos. Notinde ke New York ante nomizesar New York nomizesis New Amsterdam ed anke Nouvelle Angouleme. Do, probable ulo tre grava eventos en New York, e me ne povas evitar pensar pri la nuna eventi en la Balkani. Forsan la enemiki di Ocidento trovos moyeno por bombardar New York... Semblas ke ico devos finar bone, nam skribesas ke : regnos felice. Tamen ico esas tre obskura, espereble nula kataklismo eventos. Kun kordiala ciberspacala saluti. jeanmartignon@minitel.net From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 135 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 19318 invoked by uid 7770); 31 Mar 1999 10:13:39 -0000 Received: from www.minitel.net (HELO gmailint1.globalmail.net) (193.252.91.17) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 31 Mar 1999 10:13:39 -0000 Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 12:13:39 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199903311013.MAA29757@gmailint1.globalmail.net> From: jeanmartignon@minitel.net (JEAN MARTIGNON) To: idolisto@egroups.com (IDOLISTO) Reply-To: jeanmartignon@minitel.net Errors-To: jeanmartignon@minitel.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] Nostradamus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Kara cibernauti, La granda profeto Franca dil 16ma yarcento Nostradamus skribis : En 1999, sept mois Du ciel viendra grand roi plein d'effrayeurressusciter le grand roi d'AngolmoisAvant apres mars regner par bonheur. Ito povas tradukesar proximume ad Ido : En 1999, ye la sepesma monato Del cielo venos granda rejo pavoriganta qua rezurektigos la granda rejo di Angulemia (regiono di Angouleme, urbo en sudwest-Francia)Ante, pos la milito regnos felice. Onu komprenas la profetaji di Nostradamus erste pos lia efektigo. Ma por ica yaro, esas klara ke ulo grava eventos. Notinde ke New York ante nomizesar New York nomizesis New Amsterdam ed anke Nouvelle Angouleme. Do, probable ulo tre grava eventos en New York, e me ne povas evitar pensar pri la nuna eventi en la Balkani. Forsan la enemiki di Ocidento trovos moyeno por bombardar New York... Semblas ke ico devos finar bone, nam skribesas ke : regnos felice. Tamen ico esas tre obskura, espereble nula kataklismo eventos. Kun kordiala ciberspacala saluti. jeanmartignon@minitel.net ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/list/idolisto Free Web-based e-mail groups by eGroups.com From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 136 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 22741 invoked by uid 7770); 31 Mar 1999 10:22:04 -0000 Received: from spartacus.a2000.nl (HELO smtp2.a2000.nl) (62.108.1.20) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 31 Mar 1999 10:22:04 -0000 Received: from node118d7.a2000.nl ([24.132.24.215] helo=default.a2000.nl) by smtp2.a2000.nl with esmtp (Exim 2.02 #4) id 10SI8J-0002xl-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 12:22:03 +0200 From: "Ido-Info" To: "idolisto" Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 12:26:13 +0200 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: Subject: [ido] progreso Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kar amiki, Me jus recevis la nova Progreso ed ol es tre plena de interesant artikli. Tre danko sioro Bol, (chefa redaktero) e l' altri qui kontributis artikli interesanta. Saluti amikala, Hans St. ************************************************ Ido, linguo internaciona! 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Me volas uzar l'okaziono gratular ad omni kreri de la poemi pro lia ecelanta laboro. La traduo di poemi vere esas apta posibleso praktikar nia kara linguo. Me pregus la kreeri: Durez vua laboro!! Samtempe me pregas vi, permisar, ke via verki aparigos en nia Ido-revui. Kun la maxim kordiala ed amikala saluti! 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Frank Kasper sendis a vi salutkarto! Voluntez kliktar a la sequanta adreso: in die daf�r vorgesehene Stelle hineinkopieren por regardar la salutkarto http://de.ynot.com/cgi-bin/g3_RetrieveCard.cgi?fname=DWRDfWBa_0 En kazo de problemi voluntez irar a la sequanta adreso: http://de.ynot.com/courrier.html ed insertez ibe la numero de la karto: DWRDfWBa_0 Se vi anke volas sendar gratuita salutkarto lore ni kordialege invitas vi vizitar ni sub la sequanta adreso: http://de.ynot.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/list/idolisto Free Web-based e-mail groups by eGroups.com From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 140 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 1705 invoked by uid 7770); 31 Mar 1999 19:03:30 -0000 Received: from mail2.deltanet.com (199.171.190.56) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 31 Mar 1999 19:03:30 -0000 Received: from ts010d36.lax-ca.concentric.net (ts010d36.lax-ca.concentric.net [206.173.240.240]) by mail2.deltanet.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id LAA06776 for ; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 11:03:21 -0800 (PST) From: zeno@deltanet.com (Zeno) To: "idolisto" Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 19:02:06 GMT Message-ID: <37076f87.244757882@smtp.deltanet.com> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] voto, la Rumana Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ye sundio, 28-ma marto 1999, Hans Stuifbergen skribis: >Me probis irar al = "eGroups"-pagini e presar ibe la butono "polls", e lore >aparesis fenestro = qua dicas ke me devas plenigar la faketo: "Registred >Users, please sign in= ". Quon me skribos ibe, mea privat e-postal adreso >(fakte, ca, quan me uza= s nun)? Yes. Ante ke on darfas votar, on mustas registragar ye la telopag= ino. Ne importanta ka on esas ja registragita en la listo, e ja recevadas l= a mesaji per eposto, on ankore mustas registragar ye la telopagino. Me ne s= avas pro quo, ma me rimemorez ke me mustas facar ita. - Zeno -----------= -------------------------------------------------------------- eGroup home: = http://www.eGroups.com/list/idolisto Free Web-based e-mail groups by eGroup= s.com From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 141 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 8329 invoked by uid 7770); 31 Mar 1999 19:15:07 -0000 Received: from mail2.deltanet.com (199.171.190.56) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 31 Mar 1999 19:15:07 -0000 Received: from ts010d36.lax-ca.concentric.net (ts010d36.lax-ca.concentric.net [206.173.240.240]) by mail2.deltanet.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id LAA12648 for ; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 11:14:54 -0800 (PST) From: zeno@deltanet.com (Zeno) To: idolisto@egroups.com Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 19:13:37 GMT Message-ID: <370872a2.245552795@smtp.deltanet.com> References: <19990329221352.21232.qmail@hotmail.com> In-Reply-To: <19990329221352.21232.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] Pase Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ye lundio, 29-ma marto 1999, Martin Lavalle'e skribis: >Pri la votado, ol = ya esas sat komplika, ma danke la klarigi donita >recente, me konstatas ke= en la votal pagino, ne esas la ret-adresi di >siori Jacques Bol e Zeno, q= uankam li skribe manifestis la aprobo dil >ideo. Mea nomo esas ibe! Me e= sos felice krear kelka nova eposto-adresi e votos plu multa foye, ma me ne = opinionas ke ta esus honesta :-) - Zeno ---------------------------------= --------------------------------------- eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com= /list/idolisto Free Web-based e-mail groups by eGroups.com From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 142 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 26402 invoked by uid 7770); 1 Apr 1999 03:04:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mga2.primo.co.jp) (210.145.40.130) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 1 Apr 1999 03:04:15 -0000 Received: from mga2.primo.co.jp (unverified [210.145.40.140]) by mga2.primo.co.jp (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Thu, 01 Apr 1999 12:07:11 +0900 Message-ID: From: "Bebson Y. TAKATA" To: "IDOLISTO" Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 11:51:02 +0900 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] Pri laboro facenda da me. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kara Sri Cibernauti: **************************************************************** Kara Sro Maritn LAVALLE'E:#1 Pri laboro facenda da me. HoLala! **************************************************************** Plez* pardonar me ma me nule obliviis tradukor kelka parti del Evangelio. Me devas konstruktar la unesma etajo ante ke me konstrukteskas la duesma. Me kompilas unesma materio por komputorala vortaro, pose facos exhaustiva e joyigiva KURSO di Ido por Angle-parolanti forsan kun helpo di voluntero. E me finos mea "Ido por Angle-parolanti" e se me felice havos nulo facenda, me tradukeskos, sub HELPO da "Deo o destino", "Segun Mateo ed Ioano". Ka vu forsan savas ke me esas ne nur hucpozo* ma anke helikego hucpoza*? **************************************************************** Kara Sro Frank KASPER:#1 Gute Ware (Ido) haelt sich. **************************************************************** Mea danko a vu pro vua Grusskarte e salutokarto. Me sempre laboras. **************************************************************** Estimata e Beste vriend Sro Hans STUIFBERGEN:#1 **************************************************************** Multa danko a vu pro vua tradukuro di "Kordiolando di Serbia" Balde me sendos pekunio por abonar vua Kordiego Geyal, nam to havas valoro lektinda e pensinda, quankam me esas nek kontre nek por homosexualeso. **************************************************************** Kara Sro Jean MARTIGNON:#1 Pri internaciona stilo di Ido **************************************************************** Me pensas ke anke vua stilo di Ido esas tre internacionoza por Europani. Do voluntez korektigar mea stilo, kande vu sentas la mea kom deviacanta. Recente Sri Hans STUIFBERGEN e Robert B. CARNAGHAN ne pluse korektigas mea nerekomendinda stilo tamen me serchas/os plu bona stilo kam la nuna mea. Pro ke me devos tradukar kelka parti del Evangelio, lo es tre responsiva ed anke pezoza, nam me devos skribar en imitinda stilo por multa lernanti. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Adio! .....sincere via, B.Y.T. .....Idisto ed Idiotisto pro mea limitizita edukado ed anke Ido-Kavaliero kun abundanta hucpo* e numeroza erori **************************************************************** Plez* indikar mea erori pri vorti, gramatiko, dicmaniero ec., nam me esas nura ne-edukito e devas lernar dum ke me vivas. Me sempre esperas, samideani, via amikeso por EXTRA prenar peno de via parto por instruktar me, qua durstas ye savo ulaspecala. Tamen en rara kazo kande me savas plu bone kam vi, me volunte transdonos mea humila savo a vi segun via bezoni. **************************************************************** ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/list/idolisto Free Web-based e-mail groups by eGroups.com From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 143 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 10162 invoked by uid 7770); 1 Apr 1999 08:33:06 -0000 Received: from spartacus.a2000.nl (HELO smtp2.a2000.nl) (62.108.1.20) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 1 Apr 1999 08:33:06 -0000 Received: from node118d7.a2000.nl ([24.132.24.215] helo=default.a2000.nl) by smtp2.a2000.nl with esmtp (Exim 2.02 #4) id 10ScuQ-0001GK-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 10:33:06 +0200 From: "Ido-Info" To: "idolisto" Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 10:30:39 +0200 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: Subject: [ido] Kordiego Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kar amiki, Kar amiko e Tomodachi no Bebson Y. Takata, Danko pro vua komplezemeso abonar La Kordiego Geyal. Es tre afabla de vu. Ne sentez vu obligata abonar la revuo pro ke vu konocas me. La motivo susten-abono (o abono di solidareso) me ya aceptos. Tamen, on same es tam por o kontre homeosexualeso kam homeosexualo povas selektar esar homeosexuala. Saluti amikala, Hans St. ************************************************ Ido, linguo internaciona! Absolute vizitez: http://members.tripod.com/~avancigado ************************************************ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/list/idolisto Free Web-based e-mail groups by eGroups.com From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 144 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 10166 invoked by uid 7770); 1 Apr 1999 08:33:06 -0000 Received: from spartacus.a2000.nl (HELO smtp2.a2000.nl) (62.108.1.20) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 1 Apr 1999 08:33:06 -0000 Received: from node118d7.a2000.nl ([24.132.24.215] helo=default.a2000.nl) by smtp2.a2000.nl with esmtp (Exim 2.02 #4) id 10ScuQ-0001GK-01 for idolisto@egroups.com; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 10:33:06 +0200 From: "Ido-Info" To: "idolisto" Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 10:37:10 +0200 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: Subject: [ido] Velura Mineyo de Oro Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kar amiki, Hiere me vidis filmo Velura Mineyo de Oro, pri la muziko di Sorceso e Brilo (glamour and glitter). La rakonto ne esis tro forta, ma la muziko esis tre bona. Precipue riaudar la muziko da Iggy Pop instigis me traserchar mea diski e plear li, "donez danjero, mikra stranjero" ti-tidi-ti, tata-ta-ta-tata-ta, edc. Cetere, de ube venas la vorto Angla "glamour"? Kad ol anke existas en altra lingui (ne kom anglajo)? Saluti amikala, Hans St. ************************************************ Ido, linguo internaciona! Absolute vizitez: http://members.tripod.com/~avancigado ************************************************ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/list/idolisto Free Web-based e-mail groups by eGroups.com From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 145 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 23846 invoked by uid 7770); 1 Apr 1999 12:05:51 -0000 Received: from epmsa001.ep.minsk.by (HELO epms3.ep.minsk.by) (194.226.122.227) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 1 Apr 1999 12:05:51 -0000 Received: by epmsa001.ep.minsk.by with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 15:06:18 +0300 Message-ID: <8D76D48EDDD3D211AC3000A0C98212E703A78B@epmsa001.ep.minsk.by> From: "Dmitri P. Laptsionak" To: 'IDOLISTO' Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 15:06:13 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Subject: [ido] Linguala questioni Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1251" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Saluto estimata Idisti. Me havas questiono pri uzado di la vorto "qua". Ka onu povas irga-maniere distingar "qualeso" e "persono" en la sekvanta frazi: 1. Preparez veston por il. - Ma me ne savas _qua_ il esas (alta, dika, ...) Preparez manjon por il. - Ma me ne savas _qua_ il esas (Petro o Viktoro, ya Petro esas vegetarano e Viktoro prizas la japana koquajo) 2. Donez a me libro. - _Quan_, granda o mikra? Donez a me libro. - _Quan_, da V. Hugo o da W. Scott? 3. Me memoras el, _qua_ el esis en yunevo: svelta, bela, fresha. Me memoras el, _qua_ esis mea unesma amatino. 4. _Qua_ linguo povas esar la internacionala? - Nur simpla e facile lernebla. _Qua_ linguo esas plu facile lernebla? - Certe "Ido". Ankore un questiono pri stilo. On dicis a me: "ne uzes ta frazo, lo esas tro Esperantesa". Ka existas irga kriterii pri to, quo esas "tro" o "ne tro" Esperantesa o Esperantala? "Ido" heredis preske omno de "Esperanto", nur facis omno plu facila e logikala. Ka "Ido" heredis la ebleso konstruktar vorti ek omni vorti e vorteti, trovanta en vortaro? Me ege prizas en "Esperanto" olua vort-kombinaji kom: (Qua esas tradukuro di ta vorti aden "Ido"?) iom-et-e mal-adiau al-igx-il-o per-ant-o tro-a tie-a et-ul-o kun-ig-i for-ig-i Li donis (segun mea gusto) speciala charmo a linguo. Ka "Ido" perdis la traito? Zmicier Lapcionak ------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/list/idolisto Free Web-based e-mail groups by eGroups.com From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 146 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 6863 invoked by uid 7770); 1 Apr 1999 15:51:05 -0000 Received: from farida.a2000.nl (HELO smtp1.a2000.nl) (62.108.1.19) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 1 Apr 1999 15:51:05 -0000 Received: from node118d7.a2000.nl ([24.132.24.215] helo=default.a2000.nl) by smtp1.a2000.nl with esmtp (Exim 2.02 #4) id 10SjkF-0004Sg-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 17:51:03 +0200 From: "Ido-Info" To: "idolisto" Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 17:55:11 +0200 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: Subject: [ido] Re: Linguala questioni Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1251 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kar amiko Dmitri, No, ne existas kriterio pri stilo, nur uzez Ido segun gramatiko Idala e ne Esperantala, quo povas esar konfundiva e mem atraktiva, pro ke malgre omna diferesi, la konkordeso inter Ido ed Esperanto es plu mikra kam on pensas. Existas la detali. Cetere, por exemplo, on ne parolas pri Esperantesa (en Espo: -eca), ma Esperantatra. Ed anke ne es bezonata juntar extra -n (akuzativo) en frazi quala: Preparez veston por il > simple: preparez vesto por il preparez manjajon por il > simple: preparez manjajo por il. Koncernante la vortifado di Ido, on certe ne es permisita uzar prefixi e sufixi kom propra vorti, quale en Espo. Por signifiko expresita per prefixi e sufixi existas propra vorti, por exemplo -et = mikra, -ebla = forsan. Me ankore ne komprenas pro quo l' Esperantisti asertas bezonar nur duima dika dicionarii pro ke on povas expresar lo kontrea di vorto per la sufixo mal- (granda - malgranda). Tamen ya es posibla uzar la sufixo -et kom nedependanta vorto (la eta princo), do en fino on konstatas ke la dicionarii tamen devus esar plu dika pro ke on uzas et- kom radiko (ma tale ne mencionesas en la dicionarii). Anke, multafoye, kande on deziras uzar sufixo kom propra vorto en Ido, lo ne es posibla, pro ke oli ja havas altra signifiko, por exemplo, la sufixo -er = ta qua amatore okupas su pri ulo, ma 'ero' signifikas 'periodo'; -ul- = vira, maskula, ulo = kozo; -an = adheranto di, an = prepoziciono (ex.: me sidas an la tablo). Do Ido augmentas sua dicionarii per donar altra signifiki a vorti qui che Esperanto es uzata kom propra vorti. Anke, es altra tre importanta motivo. En Ido on preferas vorti qui internacione es rikonocebla kam vorti pro qui on erste mustar lernar l' idiomo di linguo. Tamen, en Ido restas posibla dicar, (hey hey, suprizo, atencez!): > iom-et-e = kelk-et-e (quantete, tantete, kelkete, pokete, multete) > mal-adiau = desadio (yes, yes, on tranquile darfas uzar 'des-' se on deziras, ma ka "mal-adiau" o desadio ne es: bon-veno? Che me es naturala erste pensar pri bon-veno ante pensar pri 'desadio', pro ke 'bon-veno' es koncepto qua existas en mea mento. > al-igx-il-o = (literale: ad-esk-ilo) abonigilo, membrigilo, adherigilo > per-ant-o = mediacanto ("per " ne es verbala radiko en Ido) > tro-a = tro-a, > troa libri, ma on povas questionar su: tro multa, tro bela, tro leda, tro quo? > tie-a = ibe, la signifiko restas la sama, ka ne, la yunini ibea o la yunini ibe. > et-ul-o = mikro, mikrulo > kun-ig-i = ligar (plu kurte), kunbindar, kunsutar, edc. (plu preciza deskripto dil ago) > for-ig-i = forigar Amiko, mankas a me la tempo, la resto esos respondata sive da altru, sive da me, se me itere startas mea komputoro morge o posmorge. Desodiala saluti, Hans St. ************************************************ Ido, linguo internaciona! Absolute vizitez: http://members.tripod.com/~avancigado ************************************************ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/list/idolisto Free Web-based e-mail groups by eGroups.com From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 147 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 23558 invoked by uid 7770); 1 Apr 1999 18:16:35 -0000 Received: from mail2.deltanet.com (199.171.190.56) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 1 Apr 1999 18:16:35 -0000 Received: from ts013d45.lax-ca.concentric.net (ts013d45.lax-ca.concentric.net [206.173.241.153]) by mail2.deltanet.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id KAA00256 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 10:16:31 -0800 (PST) From: zeno@deltanet.com (Zeno) To: "idolisto" Date: Thu, 01 Apr 1999 18:16:10 GMT Message-ID: <37069a15.2861212@smtp.deltanet.com> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] Velura Mineyo de Oro Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ye jovdio, 1-ma aprilo 1999, Hans Stuifbergen skribis: >Cetere, de ube ven= as la vorto Angla "glamour"? Kad ol anke existas en altra >lingui (ne kom a= nglajo)? Yes. La vorto havas origino en la Grekala 'grammatike' e la La= tinala 'grammatica', qua indikas ne simple gramatiko, ma anke la elementi d= i irga cienco, arto, o subjekto. Dum la mez-epoko, la Anglala vorto 'gramm= ar' (o 'glammar') havas la senco di lernajo misterioza. La Anglala vorti p= oeziala 'glamour' e 'gramarye' esas la sama kam 'grammar'. Dum la 19-ma ya= rcento, Siniorulo Walter Scott de Skotia rivivigis multa vorti mezepokala e= n lua poemi e romani. Yen du extrakturi de poemi qua skribesis da Siniorul= o Walter Scott : "A moment then the volume spread, And = one short spell therein he read ; It had much of glamour might." = (La of the Last Minstrel, iii. 9.) = "And how he sought her castle high, That morn, by help of gra= marye." (Ibid., v. 27.) La vorto 'gramar= ye' anke divenis la Francala vorto 'grimoire', ta qua en la Franca indikas = libro di sorcado. La Anglala vorto 'grammar' indikeskis la reguli di lingu= aro (qua esis arto sorcala quale matematiko e cienco); 'gramarye' (nun norm= ale 'gramary', ma esas vorto rara) indikeskis okulta lernado; e 'glamour' i= ndikeskis ulo ecitoza, facinanta, luranta, normale pro lua charmeso e beles= o. Do 'glamour' esis 'grammar'. Facinanta! (adminime por me :-) ) - Zeno= ------------------------------------------------------------------------= eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/list/idolisto Free Web-based e-mail gr= oups by eGroups.com From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 148 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 28603 invoked by uid 7770); 1 Apr 1999 18:25:45 -0000 Received: from mail2.deltanet.com (199.171.190.56) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 1 Apr 1999 18:25:45 -0000 Received: from ts013d45.lax-ca.concentric.net (ts013d45.lax-ca.concentric.net [206.173.241.153]) by mail2.deltanet.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id KAA04783 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 10:25:43 -0800 (PST) From: zeno@deltanet.com (Zeno) To: "idolisto" Date: Thu, 01 Apr 1999 18:25:22 GMT Message-ID: <3708b900.10777654@smtp.deltanet.com> References: <37069a15.2861212@smtp.deltanet.com> In-Reply-To: <37069a15.2861212@smtp.deltanet.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] Velura Mineyo de Oro Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Pardonez, mea informo venis de: "The Romance of Words" da Ernest Weekley, = 1922. "The Development of Modern English" da Robertson, Cassidy, 1954. "Web= ster's Encyclopedic Unabridged Dictionary of the English Language" "Latin D= ictionary", http://lysy2.archives.nd.edu/ . - Zeno ----------------------= --------------------------------------------------- eGroup home: http://www.= eGroups.com/list/idolisto Free Web-based e-mail groups by eGroups.com From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 149 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 20647 invoked by uid 7770); 1 Apr 1999 20:08:58 -0000 Received: from wya-lfd103.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (207.82.252.167) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 1 Apr 1999 20:08:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 9907 invoked by uid 0); 1 Apr 1999 20:09:10 -0000 Message-ID: <19990401200910.9906.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 206.167.80.240 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 01 Apr 1999 12:09:10 PST From: "Martin Lavallee" To: idolisto@egroups.com Date: Thu, 01 Apr 1999 12:09:10 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] Pase Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kar amiki, Zeno skribis: >Mea nomo esas ibe! Me esos felice krear kelka nova eposto-adresi e >votos plu multa foye, ma me ne opinionas ke ta esus honesta :-) Yes ya, tamen la nomo di sioro BOL ne esas til nun ibe. Amike, Martin Lavalle'e Linguo Internaciona Ido http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/8009/idolinguo.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/list/idolisto Free Web-based e-mail groups by eGroups.com From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 150 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 14152 invoked by uid 7770); 1 Apr 1999 21:57:06 -0000 Received: from mail2.ip.pt (194.79.69.132) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 1 Apr 1999 21:57:06 -0000 Received: from clientec (pm-lx-9-35.net.ip.pt [195.23.96.227]) by mail2.ip.pt with ESMTP id WAA28663 for < idolisto@egroups.com>; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 22:57:08 +0100 (WEST) Message-Id: <199904012157.WAA28663@mail2.ip.pt> Reply-To: From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Gon=E7alo_Neves?=" To: "IDOLISTO" Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 21:09:45 +0200 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] Re: Poemi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Frank skribis: > Samtempe me pregas vi, permisar, ke via verki aparigos en nia Ido-revui. Me repetas ke omno da me publisita* en Idol darfas uzesar en irga revuo, kun du kondicioni: 1) On ne darfas chanjar la vort-uzo sen mea antea konsento. 2) On mustas indikar la nomo dil autoro (se koncernesas tradukuro, on mustas indikar la nomo dil tradukero e la nomo dil originala autoro). Kun saluto kordial, Gon�alo Neves ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/list/idolisto Free Web-based e-mail groups by eGroups.com From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 151 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 3527 invoked by uid 7770); 1 Apr 1999 23:54:28 -0000 Received: from smtp05.wxs.nl (195.121.6.57) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 1 Apr 1999 23:54:28 -0000 Received: from pc ([195.121.77.113]) by smtp05.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with SMTP id AAA485D for ; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 01:54:26 +0200 Message-ID: <000401be7c9a$d499a740$714d79c3@pc> From: "Eric Dickens" To: "idolisto" Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 01:49:04 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Subject: [ido] glamr Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit 2 aprilo 1999 (nokte) Kara sro Zeno ed altri, Hodie me esas tro fatigita, ma, pri glamr / glamour me havos poka informo de un libro de 1899 ed un Islandana vortolibro. Til morge. Saluti, Eric Dickens ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/list/idolisto Free Web-based e-mail groups by eGroups.com From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 152 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 23584 invoked by uid 7770); 2 Apr 1999 06:42:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mga2.primo.co.jp) (210.145.40.130) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 2 Apr 1999 06:42:33 -0000 Received: from mga2.primo.co.jp (unverified [210.145.40.140]) by mga2.primo.co.jp (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Fri, 02 Apr 1999 15:45:37 +0900 Message-ID: From: "Bebson Y. TAKATA" To: "IDOLISTO" Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 15:36:57 +0900 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] Indiferenteso Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kara Sri Cibernauti:#1 Generalajo #2 Linguo #3 Politiko #4 Religio **************************************************************** Estimata e Beste vriend Sro Hans STUIFBERGEN:#1 indiferenteso **************************************************************** Vu bone komprenas me: Me esas nek kontre nek por heterosexualeso same kam pri homeosexualeso, l'amba es naturala e povus/os amikale kunexistar en la mondo. Quankam me ipsa kreskis inter Jud-Kristana ambiento, me tre influesis da Japoniana Shamanismo, qua es esencale indiferenta a l'amba. Onu povas esar por e kontre, pro ke irga dogmato instruktas lu kom tala. Onu mustas esar indiferenta, se la naturo instruktas lu esar naturala. **************************************************************** Kara Sro Dmitri P. LAPTSIONAK:#2 Pri bona stilo di lingui **************************************************************** Ne existas kriterio pri stilo ma existas komuna e bona raciono pri stilo. Pri irga linguo onu povus lernar la gramatiko inter 1 yaro se fortunoza, ma pri satisfacante bona stilo onu devus prenar adminime kelka yari. Me sempre sequis bona konsilo da Sro Heinrich SCHLIEMANN: Por lernar linguo onu DEVUS omnadie SKRIBAR irga kozo en la linguo e pregar instruktanto korektigar la gramatiko e stilo e pose esforcante MEMORAR la prozo. Co es la voyo rejala por lernar irga linguo en la maxim kurta tempo. Sro Heinrich SCHLIEMANN (1822-1890) parolis kelka dek stranjera lingui. **************************************************************** Kara Sro Maritn LAVALLE'E:#1 Me sempre mistaipas* **************************************************************** ..KAM anstat* kom, nam amba kam e kom esas konvenaNta "als" en la Germana. Pro ke me ja experiencis tro multa dicmanierI stultega en numeroza lingui. Balde me skribus poka kozi pri Zen-Budhismo, se vu interesesus da la temo. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Adio! .....sincere via, B.Y.T. .....Idisto ed Idiotisto pro mea limitizita edukado ed anke Ido-Kavaliero kun abundanta hucpo* e numeroza erori **************************************************************** Plez* indikar mea erori pri vorti, gramatiko, dicmaniero ec., nam me esas nura ne-edukito e devas lernar dum ke me vivas. Me sempre esperas, samideani, via amikeso por EXTRA prenar peno de via parto por instruktar me, qua durstas ye savo ulaspecala. Tamen en rara kazo kande me savas plu bone kam vi, me volunte transdonos mea humila savo a vi segun via bezoni. **************************************************************** ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/list/idolisto Free Web-based e-mail groups by eGroups.com From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 153 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 5493 invoked by uid 7770); 4 Apr 1999 02:23:04 -0000 Received: from dipobox.sis.it (193.70.16.1) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 4 Apr 1999 02:23:04 -0000 Received: from lizard [193.70.17.10] with smtp by dipobox.sis.it with smtp (Smail-3.2.0.101 1997-Dec-17 #8 #8) id m10TdTx-0008uzC; Sun, 4 Apr 1999 04:21:57 +0100 (GMT+0100) Message-Id: Date: Sun, 4 Apr 1999 04:21:57 +0100 (GMT+0100) X-Sender: narcar@mailserver.sis.it (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 To: idolisto@egroups.com From: Nardini Carlo Subject: [ido] tradukar Pasolini Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kar Amiko Hans Stuifbergen, 30/3/99 vu skribis: >Me anke entamis la traduko di "La cindri di Gramsci", del Italiana, > da Pier Paolo Pasolini, ma pos l' unesma pagino devis cesar >mea probi, pro la desfacileso di la tasko. >(Forsan sioro Carlo Nardini deziras helpar me?). Sincere, me ne amas la poezio politikale engajita: la verko, quun vu deziras tradukar, ja del titulo desatraktas me. Tamen, pro amikeso, se ne pro konvinco, me povus helpar, segun mea kapableso, en la traduko dil poezio di P.P. Pasolini, se adminime me bone komprenus to, quon il skribas. Ma, honeste, me ne savas quale me povas helpar en la traduko di ardua versi, quin me ipsa maxim ofte male komprenas. La rezultajo riskas esar tote sensenca macedonio di vorti. Me kredas ke, por helpar vu en vua teroriganta tasko, devota Pasolinisto esas necesa. Me, sen volar lo, konfrontas la Pasolinala hardeso kun la naturaleso e klareso di la lasta du poemi sendita hike da Goncalo Neves (FOLESO e NI SAVAS), qui naracas la historio, ed exploras la intima sentimenti di du personi, en maniero profunda ma transparanta, aludiva ma ne enigmatoza, kun stilo kelkafoye charmante parlaborita, ma nultempe tordita e sempre desobskura. Omnakaze, se vu absolute kredas ke la poezio di Pasolini meritas l'unionita esforco di du homi por probar tradukar ol, ni probez. Pasante, relate l'aparo en la reto di verki tradukita, quo pri la kopi-yuro? Me kredas ke explicita permiso generale devas demandesar. Kordiale, Carlo Nardini ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/list/idolisto Free Web-based e-mail groups by eGroups.com From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 154 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 9221 invoked by uid 7770); 5 Apr 1999 02:53:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mga2.primo.co.jp) (210.145.40.130) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 5 Apr 1999 02:53:11 -0000 Received: from mga2.primo.co.jp (unverified [210.145.40.140]) by mga2.primo.co.jp (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Mon, 05 Apr 1999 11:56:35 +0900 Message-ID: From: "Bebson Y. TAKATA" To: "IDOLISTO" Date: Mon, 5 Apr 1999 11:47:23 +0900 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] #1 Me laboras por manjar. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit **************************************************************** Kara Sri Cibernauti:#1 Generalajo #2 Linguo #3 Politiko #4 Religio **************************************************************** Dum kelka o kelka-dek, me ne savas, semani me voyajos por komercado. Do me, quale Sro James CHANDLER, koaktesos regretinde absentesar che Idolisto. Ma dum voyajo me kontinue kompilos unesma materio por komputorala vortaro, nam me ne bezonos komputoro por olua terminaro ma nur mea notlibreti. Me esperas via felica aktiveso dum absenteso pro mea ekonimiala situeso. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Adio! dum kelka tempo .....sincere via, B.Y.T. .....Idisto ed Idiotisto pro mea limitizita edukado ed anke Ido-Kavaliero kun abundanta hucpo* e numeroza erori **************************************************************** Plez* indikar mea erori pri vorti, gramatiko, dicmaniero ec., nam me esas nura ne-edukito e devas lernar dum ke me vivas. Me sempre esperas, samideani, via amikeso por EXTRA prenar peno de via parto por instruktar me, qua durstas ye savo ulaspecala. Tamen en rara kazo kande me savas plu bone kam vi, me volunte transdonos mea humila savo a vi segun via bezoni. **************************************************************** ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/list/idolisto Free Web-based e-mail groups by eGroups.com From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 155 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 8035 invoked by uid 7770); 5 Apr 1999 06:44:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO localhost) (202.84.12.231) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 5 Apr 1999 06:44:40 -0000 Received: (fmail 25661 invoked from network); 5 Apr 1999 06:43:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hongkong.com) (202.84.12.129) by mx2 with SMTP; 5 Apr 1999 06:43:13 -0000 Received: (fmail 19849 invoked by uid 1300); 5 Apr 1999 06:44:26 -0000 Date: 5 Apr 1999 06:44:26 -0000 Message-ID: <19990405064426.19847.fmail@hongkong.com> Reply-To: don_gasper@hongkong.com From: don_gasper@hongkong.com To: idolisto@egroups.com Subject: [ido] Linguala questioni Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Kara cibernauti, Zmicier (Dmitri) Lapcionak questionis ka on povas distingar "qualeso" e "persono" . Por qualeso ido uzas la vorto "quala" (= Esp. "kia"): Me ne savas quala il esas (alta, dika...). Por identeso ido uzas "qua" (= Esp. "kiu"): Me ne savas qua il esas (Petro o Viktoro). Me esperas, ke to klarigas la afero. Kordiale, Don Gasper ___________________________________________________________________________ http://www.hongkong.com - the only Asian portal site to receive a 1998 Standard of Excellence Award ! ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/list/idolisto Free Web-based e-mail groups by eGroups.com From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 156 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 10292 invoked by uid 7770); 5 Apr 1999 08:38:29 -0000 Received: from farida.a2000.nl (HELO smtp1.a2000.nl) (62.108.1.19) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 5 Apr 1999 08:38:29 -0000 Received: from node118d7.a2000.nl ([24.132.24.215] helo=default.a2000.nl) by smtp1.a2000.nl with esmtp (Exim 2.02 #4) id 10U4to-0006Nb-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Mon, 5 Apr 1999 10:38:28 +0200 From: "Ido-Info" To: "idolisto" Date: Mon, 5 Apr 1999 10:33:21 +0200 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: Subject: [ido] Pasolini Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Kar amiko Carlo Nardini, Danko pro vua reakto. Pardonez me se me ofendis vu per propozar helpar me tradukar Pasolini. Me ya es tre grand admiranto di la filmisto, autoro Pasolini, ma anke segun vereso devas konfesar ke me ne multe komprenas la poemi politikala da Pasolini. Ulafoye me kompris la versiono Italian ed Angla di la Cindri di Gramsci, en un tomo, simple pro la fakto ke me es, quale dicite, admiranto di PPP. Me esperis ke simple per lektar la poemi, me komprenas oli, ma vane. Ma vu es justa, es nesencoza tradukar texti quin on ne komprenas od, en vua kazo, mem desatraktas vu. Me ya es Pasolinisto, ma ne tante ke me opinionas ke lua poemi MUSTAS esar tradukata aden Ido.Tamen, me dankas vu pro vua eventuala komplezemeso. Me tre konkordas ke la poemi en stilo di Gon�alo Neves es multe plu klara e naturala, bela, ed efektive, tre komprenebla. Koncernante la kopi-yuri dil autori ne-Idista e vivanta, yes, me kredas ke es absolute necesa aquirar la permisi explicita por publisar verki. Ma kopi-yuri dil autori mortinta, kad la yuri ne 'mortas' kun l' autoro? Ka tale adminime ne es valida por Ido-autori? Forsan ke sioro J. Bol savas pri la kopi-yuri di Andreas Juste, se nur es por riimprimar lua verki o publisar ye l' interreto, edc. Kad existas lego Europana pri to o kad omno es aranjita regionale? Agreabla paskofesto dezirata, Saluti amikala, Hans St. ************************************************ Ido, linguo internaciona! Absolute vizitez: http://members.tripod.com/~avancigado ************************************************ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/list/idolisto Free Web-based e-mail groups by eGroups.com From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 157 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 10296 invoked by uid 7770); 5 Apr 1999 08:38:30 -0000 Received: from farida.a2000.nl (HELO smtp1.a2000.nl) (62.108.1.19) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 5 Apr 1999 08:38:30 -0000 Received: from node118d7.a2000.nl ([24.132.24.215] helo=default.a2000.nl) by smtp1.a2000.nl with esmtp (Exim 2.02 #4) id 10U4to-0006Nb-01 for idolisto@egroups.com; Mon, 5 Apr 1999 10:38:28 +0200 From: "Ido-Info" To: "idolisto" Date: Mon, 5 Apr 1999 10:42:31 +0200 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: Subject: [ido] Kurta livo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kar amiko e Tomodachi no. Bebson Y. Takata, Me regretas savar ke vu livos Idolisto, mem se es dum kurta periodo. Me supozas ke vu savas quale desabonar (se vu deziras) e pose riabonar Idolisto. Kande vu retrovenos, vartos mikra suprizeto por vu, artiklo pri pop-muziko en Japonia (pov esar utila por yuna Japoniani, interesata pri tam pop-muziko ed Ido, me esperas). Nakama, bon-voyajo! Saluti amikala, Hans St. ************************************************ Ido, linguo internaciona! Absolute vizitez: http://members.tripod.com/~avancigado ************************************************ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/list/idolisto Free Web-based e-mail groups by eGroups.com From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 158 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 14470 invoked by uid 7770); 5 Apr 1999 08:53:38 -0000 Received: from farida.a2000.nl (HELO smtp1.a2000.nl) (62.108.1.19) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 5 Apr 1999 08:53:38 -0000 Received: from node118d7.a2000.nl ([24.132.24.215] helo=default.a2000.nl) by smtp1.a2000.nl with esmtp (Exim 2.02 #4) id 10U58T-0007MY-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Mon, 5 Apr 1999 10:53:37 +0200 From: "Ido-Info" To: "idolisto" Date: Mon, 5 Apr 1999 10:57:55 +0200 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: Subject: [ido] texti en Ido Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Kar amiko Martin Lavall�e, Me havas nova hobio. Kelkafoye, kande me es tedata, me uzas la serchili (precipue Alta Vista) dil interreto e probas serchar per kelka vorti Idala, hazarde. Plu e plu ofte nun la serchili efektive trovas pagini en Ido, do to povas signifikar nur un kozo: ke la textaro en Ido tre kreskas. Me tre prizus vidar indexo de pagini en Ido ordinita segun alfabeto. Me pensis o lektis ulafoye ke vu okupis su pri to, ka ne? Esos tre utila. Omnafoye kande ulu adjuntas texto en Ido ye l' interreto, lu anuncas to a vu, kom indexisto, ka ni povas interkonsentar to? La texti esez provizita de trovovorti ed indexizita segun ta vorti. Me ne deziras impozar taski a vu, ma, quale skribite, ulafoye me lektis ke vu asumis ta tasko. Saluti amikala, Hans St. ************************************************ Ido, linguo internaciona! Absolute vizitez: http://members.tripod.com/~avancigado ************************************************ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/list/idolisto Free Web-based e-mail groups by eGroups.com From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 159 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 21602 invoked by uid 7770); 5 Apr 1999 11:10:48 -0000 Received: from mail2.deltanet.com (199.171.190.56) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 5 Apr 1999 11:10:48 -0000 Received: from ts043d29.lax-ca.concentric.net (ts043d29.lax-ca.concentric.net [206.173.249.137]) by mail2.deltanet.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id EAA24394 for ; Mon, 5 Apr 1999 04:10:38 -0700 (PDT) From: zeno@deltanet.com (Zeno) To: idolisto@egroups.com Date: Mon, 05 Apr 1999 11:10:18 GMT Message-ID: <370898c2.69576347@smtp.deltanet.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] Quo esas la Idala vorto por l'Angla "radio"? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable La libri da Dyer ne havas la vorto "radio", "Lexico di nova vorti" ne havas= la vorto "radio". Me pensas ke me lektis la vorto en Idolisto ante nun, m= a me forgesis ol :-(. Ka la Idala vorto por l'Angla "radio" esas "radio"? = Dyer definas radio quale "ray, beam, gleam". ??? - Zeno ---------------= ---------------------------------------------------------- eGroup home: http= ://www.eGroups.com/list/idolisto Free Web-based e-mail groups by eGroups.co= m From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 160 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 25150 invoked by uid 7770); 5 Apr 1999 17:15:39 -0000 Received: from smtp03.wxs.nl (195.121.6.37) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 5 Apr 1999 17:15:39 -0000 Received: from pc ([195.121.76.239]) by smtp03.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with SMTP id AAA8DF for ; Mon, 5 Apr 1999 19:15:29 +0200 Message-ID: <000c01be7f87$c0b5b940$ef4c79c3@pc> From: "Eric Dickens" To: "idolisto" Date: Mon, 5 Apr 1999 19:13:38 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Subject: [ido] smallclothes, rood-loft - ma nula radio Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit 5 aprilo 1999 Kar amiki, Sro Zeno skribis, ke en la vortolisto / vortolibro da Dyer ne es vorto "radio". Ma lore, ye la yaro 1924, la vorto en l'Angla linguo esis: "wireless". Ed ibe es "radio" en Ido.Ulfoye, me skribis, ke proxime 95% de la vorti qua me bezonas es en Dyer. Vere, ma me anke, tempope, volas uzar vorton, qua ne esas en lua listo: Exemple: "quite" qua en l'Angla linguo havas du signifiki: 1) tre 2) pasable, sufice. Tamen Dyer havas kelkafoye vorti, 95% de qua me sive ne konocas, sive konsideras kom vorti, qua forsan ne bezonesas en mez-granda vortolibro de proxime 400 pagini, pro ke li esas sive tre specalista, sive antiquatra. Exemple: smallclothes, eparch, epiphyte, datura, gammer, lamantin, periplus, holla, hough, plenipotence, pluvial, sphenoid, spoony on, splenalgy, tubulure, flocculent, abatis, asymptote, atony, polarimeter, macfarlane, madapolam, scholium, pinchers, hypogastrium, icosahedron, argillaceous, aristolochia, crural, cuiverin, cupel, gastralgia, infeudation, xiphoid, yataghan, yawl, usurious, torticollis, toque, tombac, spermine, sbirro, sapajou, socle, soliped, rive, spats, daggle, danseuse, footpad, foreordain, furlough, fumarole, lanuginous, laticiferous, lixivate, lunule, quassia, prodroma, panicle, madrepore, iron-manufactury, holothurian, rood-loft, brimstone, bourg, bascule-bridge, yesternight, zebu, suffragan, merle, merlon, merluce, merogeny, mesentery e.c, e.c. E me, kom tradukisto, sempre pensis, ke mea propra Angla vortaro esus pasable granda... Saluti, Eric Dickens ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/list/idolisto Free Web-based e-mail groups by eGroups.com From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 161 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 3426 invoked by uid 7770); 5 Apr 1999 21:47:52 -0000 Received: from mail2.ip.pt (194.79.69.132) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 5 Apr 1999 21:47:52 -0000 Received: from clientec (pm-lx-6-39.net.ip.pt [195.23.96.39]) by mail2.ip.pt with ESMTP id WAA12783 for < idolisto@egroups.com>; Mon, 5 Apr 1999 22:47:59 +0100 (WEST) Message-Id: <199904052147.WAA12783@mail2.ip.pt> Reply-To: From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Gon=E7alo_Neves?=" To: "IDOLISTO" Date: Mon, 5 Apr 1999 22:32:13 +0200 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] poemo da Camacho (SAME KAM) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Yen plusa poemo dal hispano Jorge Camacho, olquan me tradukis de Esperanto. La traduko esis tre desfacila, pro ke Camacho exhaustis capoeme omna latentaji dil adverbo Esperantal, qua, kombinate kun la "akuzativo direcional", dotas ita linguo per flexebleso e koncizeso apene imitebla en irg altra linguo, mem en nia bonega Ido. Tamen me esperas ke la tradukuro plezos a vi. SAME KAM same kam mil kristofori* misdriftas vers mil ameriki, vers maro e sablo trae, fugante afrika bersilo al luno, de edeno a geheno same kam delfini en la maro riplunjis, same kam vespertilii subite anjela, dum ke simio desaltis arboro vers voyo homal invitonte tenio solitara tale me agas pro to me es nuno ca-fore same kam birko frostoze senvesta for la suno, same kam nopalo defias klimato severa obliviante la paradizo same kam vi, miriadi de celuli ajile, zigzagatre, varme, formikumas ad ula loko satisfaconte obstineme la skopo konsumante la quar elementi tale me agas pro to me es nuno irgube sam kam tu, universo, transpulsas tu ipsa ed asaltas vakuajo, segun impero en direciono presempra dil du kosmi, inerta e vivanta tale, pro to ca-lore da Jorge Camacho (Hispania) tradukis: Gon�alo Neves *kristoforo: Christophorus Colombus, deskovrinto di Amerika. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/list/idolisto Free Web-based e-mail groups by eGroups.com From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 162 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 29172 invoked by uid 7770); 5 Apr 1999 22:37:49 -0000 Received: from mail2.ip.pt (194.79.69.132) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 5 Apr 1999 22:37:49 -0000 Received: from clientec (pm-lx-5-20.net.ip.pt [195.23.4.148]) by mail2.ip.pt with ESMTP id XAA00529 for < idolisto@egroups.com>; Mon, 5 Apr 1999 23:37:57 +0100 (WEST) Message-Id: <199904052237.XAA00529@mail2.ip.pt> Reply-To: From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Gon=E7alo_Neves?=" To: "IDOLISTO" Date: Mon, 5 Apr 1999 23:22:08 +0200 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] Yuri autoral Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Kar amiki, Carlo Nardini skribis: >Pasante, relate l'aparo en la reto di verki tradukita, quo pri la >kopi-yuro? Me kredas ke explicita permiso generale devas demandesar. Hans St. skribis: >Koncernante la kopi-yuri dil autori ne-Idista e vivanta, yes, me kredas ke >es absolute necesa aquirar la permisi explicita por publisar verki. Li es justa. Relate la poemi tradukita da me e publisita* che Idol, me povas dicar ke me ya demandis explicita permiso del autori. To esis facila, ne nur pro ke l' autori es vivanta (mem vivaca!), sed anke pro ke li esas amiki di me. Kande koncernesas autori mortinta, on devas serchar ube situesas la yuri autoral. Se on ne sucesas trovar li, on do publisez* la verki, ma on konservez la dokumenti pruvanta ke on ya facis demarshi por trovar la yuri ma ne trovis li. Pri la yuri autoral di Andreas Juste me recente questionis sro Bol. Il respondis ke ni havas quasa permiso tacata dal familio, quan il bone konocas. Me questionis il pro ke me intencas tradukar verko da Juste en la Portugalana (Un parl� d'ami). Pos ica respondo me opinionas ke ni ne bezonas tro suciar kande koncernesas verki da Juste pozota en la reto. Kun saluto kordial, Gon�alo Neves ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/list/idolisto Free Web-based e-mail groups by eGroups.com From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 163 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 14664 invoked by uid 7770); 5 Apr 1999 23:14:56 -0000 Received: from lince.lander.es (195.76.46.35) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 5 Apr 1999 23:14:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 20842 invoked from network); 5 Apr 1999 23:14:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ppp-47-252.lander.es) (195.76.47.252) by lince.lander.es with SMTP; 5 Apr 1999 23:14:51 -0000 X-Sender: joser@lince.lander.es (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 To: idolisto@egroups.com From: "j.m.rodriguez" Subject: [ido] Yuri dil autori Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hans skribis.... Koncernante la kopi-yuri dil autori ne-Idista e vivanta, yes, me kredas ke es absolute necesa aquirar la permisi explicita por publisar verki. Ma kopi-yuri dil autori mortinta, kad la yuri ne 'mortas' kun l' autoro? Ka tale adminime ne es valida por Ido-autori? Forsan ke sioro J. Bol savas pri la kopi-yuri di Andreas Juste, se nur es por riimprimar lua verki o publisar ye l' interreto, edc. Kad existas lego Europana pri to o kad omno es aranjita regionale? Me intencas klarigar ulo pri la yuri dil autoro. La yuri por kopiado, tradukado o rieditado apartenas al autori dum sua vivo, komprenende li pov vendar tala yuri, exemple ad editerii e.c. Depos la morto dil autoro la yuri transmisesas al heredanti segun la testamento, kom l' altra personal havaji (domo, pekunio...). La heredanto o heredanti posedas lore la yuri dil autoro. Dum quanta tempo? Nu, ico varias segun la stati. La revizuro dil Universal Konvenciono dil Yuri dil Autori, aprobata en Paris en la yaro 1971, dicas ke singla stato darfas fixigar la tempo dum qua la yuri apartenas al heredanto o heredanti, ma anke on aprobis ke tala tempo adminime dev esar 25 yari. En Hispania, exemple, la yuri dil autoro duras til 70 yari depos la morto dil autoro. Ma ta tempo pov esar diferanta en altra stati, ma memorez ke nul-tempe la tempo esos min kam 25 yari. Yen kelka praktikala exempli. Pier Paolo PASOLINI mortis en la yaro 1975, por savar a qui apartenas la yuri dil autoro, unesme on dev konocar la testamento e pose konocar la tempo qua fixigas la itala legaro. Ma se ulu posedas tala yuri to eventos adminime til yaro 2000, t.e. 1975 + 25 yari. Tamen, on dev konocar sat bone la itala legaro, nam pov eventar quale en Hispania, memorez ke hike la yuri duras por la heredanti ne 25 yari sed 70 !!! Pri nia amiko Andreas JUSTE. Unesme ni dev savar a qui apartenas la yuri, t.e. al ilua familio, al ULI, al omn idistaro, al homaro, ico dependas de la testamento. Pos savar tal informo, e se la yuri dil autoro apartenas al kelka heredanto, ni devos konocar la belga legaro por fixigar la tempo. Recevez amikal saluti de Hispania. Jose Maria Rodriguez Hernandez joser@lander.es ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/list/idolisto Free Web-based e-mail groups by eGroups.com From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 164 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 5572 invoked by uid 7770); 6 Apr 1999 04:10:56 -0000 Received: from web130.yahoomail.com (205.180.60.199) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 6 Apr 1999 04:10:56 -0000 Message-ID: <19990406041212.23404.rocketmail@web130.yahoomail.com> Received: from [38.26.5.9] by web130.yahoomail.com; Mon, 05 Apr 1999 21:12:12 PDT Date: Mon, 5 Apr 1999 21:12:12 -0700 (PDT) From: "N.I.M." To: idolisto@egroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] The New Guy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm new to Ido. I live in New York City. I was wondering since Ido is so much simpler than Esperanto why is esperanto the more popular one? I found over a hundred esperanto sites but only 5 Ido sites. So what gives? ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/list/idolisto Free Web-based e-mail groups by eGroups.com From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 165 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 27742 invoked by uid 7770); 6 Apr 1999 06:25:42 -0000 Received: from mail2.deltanet.com (199.171.190.56) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 6 Apr 1999 06:25:42 -0000 Received: from ts028d13.lax-ca.concentric.net (ts028d13.lax-ca.concentric.net [206.173.248.121]) by mail2.deltanet.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id XAA17378 for ; Mon, 5 Apr 1999 23:25:39 -0700 (PDT) From: zeno@deltanet.com (Zeno) To: "idolisto" Date: Tue, 06 Apr 1999 06:25:27 GMT Message-ID: <370a9a9f.27364882@smtp.deltanet.com> References: <000c01be7f87$c0b5b940$ef4c79c3@pc> In-Reply-To: <000c01be7f87$c0b5b940$ef4c79c3@pc> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] smallclothes, rood-loft - ma nula radio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ye lundio, 5-ma aprilo 1999, Eric Dickens skribis: >Sro Zeno skribis, ke e= n la vortolisto / vortolibro da Dyer ne es vorto >"radio". Ma lore, ye la y= aro 1924, la vorto en l'Angla linguo esis: >"wireless". >Ed ibe es "radio" = en Ido.Ulfoye, me skribis, ke proxime 95% de la vorti qua >me bezonas es en= Danko, Sioro Dickens. Me esis tradukanta naraco pri la krizo en Kosovo, = e me ne povis tradukar la frazo: President Clinton, in his weekly rad= io address, declared the Kosovo operation ``a difficult and dangerous = one, but it's necessary and right, and we must stand with all our NATO= allies to see it through.'' Me tradukas la tota naraco, ma me ne afi= shigos ol pro ke vu esas tradukisto, e me ne volas ke vu mustas laborar en = Idolisto! Ma voluntez regardar mea tradukuro de la supera frazo: Pre= zidanto Clinton, en lua radiala diskurso seminala, deklaris ke la oper= aco Kosovala esas "desfacila e danjeroza, ma lu esas necesa e yusta, e= ni mustas stacar kun omna di lia NATO-federiti por parfinar ol". Ank= e, me juis vua listo di vorti. Kelka di la vorti esas ordinara vorti en Us= a, ma me anke kelkafoye ridas pro kelka di la vorti en la dicionarii da Dye= r. Existas granda diferi inter 1920 e 1999, ka ne? Ma nun me mustas trovar= omna di ta vorti! - Zeno -----------------------------------------------= ------------------------- eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/list/idolisto= Free Web-based e-mail groups by eGroups.com From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 166 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 221 invoked by uid 7770); 6 Apr 1999 07:59:06 -0000 Received: from cgews1.hum.nagoya-cu.ac.jp (202.35.194.1) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 6 Apr 1999 07:59:06 -0000 Received: from [202.35.194.63] ([202.35.194.63]) by cgews1.hum.nagoya-cu.ac.jp (8.9.3/3.7W99022518) with ESMTP id QAA11001 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 16:57:27 +0900 (JST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Macintosh Eudora Pro Version 4.0.1J Message-Id: Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 17:00:52 +0900 To: idolisto@egroups.com From: "MORITA, Akira" Subject: [ido] mea vivo-sig(nal)o Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kara samideani! Itere me silencis dum du o tri monati, regretinde pro mea troa okupiteso profesionala. Intertempe shanjis ed eventis multo en la mondo anke che nia diskuteyo; desaparis IDOL e nun funcionas IDOLISTO.... Ed embarasite me sidas avan kelka centi (!) de via mesaji, qui akumulesinta restas ankore ne-lektita. Kordial saluti e til balde! Akira MORITA ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/list/idolisto Free Web-based e-mail groups by eGroups.com From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 167 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 20509 invoked by uid 7770); 6 Apr 1999 10:39:56 -0000 Received: from smtp03.wxs.nl (195.121.6.37) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 6 Apr 1999 10:39:56 -0000 Received: from pc ([195.121.77.152]) by smtp03.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with SMTP id AAA5432; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 12:39:55 +0200 Message-ID: <001201be8019$a77edf00$984d79c3@pc> From: "Eric Dickens" To: "N.I.M." Cc: "idolisto" Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 12:38:00 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Subject: [ido] Re: A reply to The New Guy Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: N.I.M. Aan: idolisto@egroups.com Datum: dinsdag 6 april 1999 6:08 Onderwerp: [ido] The New Guy > >I'm new to Ido. I live in New York City. >I was wondering since Ido is so much simpler than >Esperanto why is esperanto the more popular one? >I found over a hundred esperanto sites but only 5 Ido >sites. So what gives? >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >eGroups Spotlight: >"Kosovo-Reports" - Direct reports from Kosovo/Serbia/Yugoslavia. >http://clickhere.egroups.com/click/5 > >eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/list/idolisto >Free Web-based e-mail groups by eGroups.com 6th April 1999 Dear Mysterious NIM-cyricist, I don't know who you are, beyond being someone who appears to have "seen the light" as regards the facility (and, in my view, elegance) of Ido as opposed to its parent Esperanto. I shall keep my remarks brief, but the reasons for the popularity of one and the ignoring of the other are, as with all human activity, complex. But the truth in the crucial years between 1905 and 1910 appears to have been that the founder of Esperanto, Ludwig Zamenhof, did not want to let go of his baby. Some of his own committee did a blind test with various constructed language projects, and I believe that Ido came out best. But various Esperantists saw that a major revision could lead to schisms, as always happen too in religious groupings and political parties when powerful personalities clash, and so the Idists were basically told to shut up or get out. They got out, and have been living a relatively marginal existence ever since. I came across the Ido language some twenty years ago when it was being kept alive by various brave individual idealists, some of whom still participate now that the Internet has given Ido a new lease of life. Yes, Esperanto is much more popular at this time in history, but they also have financial backing and have built up a small, but significant amount of legitimacy and visibility which we - I could myself nowadays as an Idist - are still working to achieve. I have done little myself yet, but could list several names of people from various countries who have done and are still doing a great deal, such as running periodicals and making dictionaries. > A further aspect of Esperanto which irritates Idists greatly is the fact that Esperantists have given their movement a quasi-religious aura, which is all part and parcel of the fetishistic attitude to the revisions early this century. If you think 1907 was rather a long time ago, think of how people in Northern Ireland and former Yugoslavia cite instances of battles etc. from hundreds of years ago to justify their not always too pleasant activities. So, if more people start using Ido, and now via the Internet you can sit at home and still communicate with people all over the world, then maybe things will happen. Ido tries to take words which as many of the following languages have in more or less the same form: English, French, German, Spanish, Italian and Russian. So yes, Ido is a little Eurocentric and borrows heavily from the Romance languages, but Spanish, and its cousin Portuguese are, for instance, the lingua franca in South America, and English, Portuguese and French are used for the same purpose throughout Africa as a result of the colonial past of the world. We can't change history and for the present Ido appears to be the best solution, both linguistically and demographically. Hope you're not put off. Hope you'll learn Ido. Best wishes, Eric Dickens ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/list/idolisto Free Web-based e-mail groups by eGroups.com From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 168 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 6339 invoked by uid 7770); 6 Apr 1999 11:29:42 -0000 Received: from mout00.kundenserver.de (195.20.224.69) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 6 Apr 1999 11:29:42 -0000 Received: from [195.20.224.67] (helo=mx00.kundenserver.de) by mout00.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 10UU33-0002Wx-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 13:29:41 +0200 Received: from [212.81.171.183] (helo=www) by mx00.kundenserver.de with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 10UU33-0008GF-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 13:29:41 +0200 Message-ID: <000301be8020$77d1cea0$b7ab51d4@www.fen.baynet.de> From: "Frank Kasper" To: "Idolisto (Mesaji)" Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 13:25:29 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Subject: [ido] Re: Me iros ad Waldkappel ed Anklam Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kara amiki! Me volas informar vi, ke me cadie vespere livos mea lojeyo por irar ad Waldkappel por helpar gesiori Neussner ordinigar Ido-libri recevita de Suedia a la librerio dil Germana Ido-Societo. pose me vizitos mea patrulo en Anklam. Versimile me povos uzar l'okaziono de mea restado en Anklam por rirenkontrar du Ido-simpatiseri ibe. Volunte me prizentos a li la laboro de nia Ido-forumo "Idolisto". Por ke me kunportos mea komputileto dum mea voyajo me ne perdos la kontakto ad "Idolisto" e povos regardar lo dum la tota tempo. Se vi sendos salutmesaji a sioro Neussner dum la sequanta tri dii lore lu persone povos recevar ol. Yen lua adreso: alfred.neussner@idolinguo.de Pos mea departo de Waldkappel en saturdio me itere recevos la mesaji sendota a la mencionita e-postala adreso. Me nun deziras a vi agreabla semano! Kun la maxim kordiala ed amikala saluti a vi omni! Frank Kasper Me nun deziras a vi omni frank.kasper@idolinguo.de - webmaster@idolinguo.de ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/list/idolisto Free Web-based e-mail groups by eGroups.com From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 169 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 18204 invoked by uid 7770); 6 Apr 1999 11:59:39 -0000 Received: from spartacus.a2000.nl (HELO smtp2.a2000.nl) (62.108.1.20) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 6 Apr 1999 11:59:39 -0000 Received: from node118d7.a2000.nl ([24.132.24.215] helo=default.a2000.nl) by smtp2.a2000.nl with esmtp (Exim 2.02 #4) id 10UUW2-00016J-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 13:59:38 +0200 From: "Ido-Info" To: "idolisto" Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 14:03:55 +0200 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: Subject: [ido] Saluto New Guy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Saluto Nova Kerlo, Esez tre bon-venanta che Idolisto, la forumo dil Idisti. Vu es justa, Ido es plu facila kam Esperanto. (Pardonez me por skribar en Ido, me supozas ke vu kelke komprenas ol, od adminime l' Esperanto). Me pensas ke Esperanto es plu populara kam Ido, es pro ke Esperanto es marko-nomo di omna projetolingui. La nomo divenis sinonimo por projetolinguo. Do, preske omni intencante studiar linguo projetita, automate komencas che Esperanto. Fortunoze, sioro Dickens tre bone respondizis vua questioni, e por me nur restas adjuntar ke me savas ke existas plu kam 5 telopagini (sites, "telo" es Ido-equivalento di "web") en e pri Ido. Se interesas a vu, voluntez vizitar: http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/8009/IDO-URL-listo.html Ibe vu trovos multa texti en Ido, e ta listo mem ne es provizita de la maxim nova texti en Ido, por exemplo, se interesas a vu la questiono Serbia-Kosovo, lore vizitez http://www.angelfire.com/id/Avance/kordiolando.html (pardonez me, mikra reklamo por pagino tradukita da me). Bone, me ne volas fatigigar vu per tro longa texto, direte en Ido, me esperas ke vu trovos amiki che ni. Ni sempre bon-venigas nova (altra) opinioni, adheranti, edc. Saluti amikala, Hans St. ************************************************ Ido, linguo internaciona! Absolute vizitez: http://members.tripod.com/~avancigado ************************************************ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/list/idolisto Free Web-based e-mail groups by eGroups.com From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 170 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 30201 invoked by uid 7770); 6 Apr 1999 12:25:59 -0000 Received: from smtp04.wxs.nl (195.121.6.59) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 6 Apr 1999 12:25:59 -0000 Received: from pc ([195.121.76.132]) by smtp04.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with SMTP id AAAB70 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 14:25:57 +0200 Message-ID: <002b01be8028$783d8f20$844c79c3@pc> From: "Eric Dickens" To: "idolisto" Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 14:22:00 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Subject: [ido] the glamour of glamr, ed altra kozi Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit 6 aprilo 1999 Kar amiki, Me nun skribos ulon pri "glamour". En altra letro me skribis, ke esas du origini di mea informaco: 1) La "American Dictionary and Cyclopedia" (1899) do nun evas 100 yari ed ankore tre utila! 2) L' "An Icelandic-English Dictionary" Oxford, Anglia, (1874, ri-imprimita 1975). Unesme, en la "Cyclopedia", ni povas lektar: "Glamor, glamer: l'influo di ula charmo a l'okulo, e qua esforcas okulon vidar kozi diferente, kam li reale es." E, duesme "Sorcado, magio." La citato hike es de la "Enid", poemo da Alfred, Lord Tennyson (Anglo). Duesme, de l' "Icelandic-English Dictionary" ni obtenas: "Glamr [supersigno akuta super l' "a"]: poetala nomo dil luno; nomo di fantomo en la sagao* da Grettir; la vorto es interesanta, por ke olua identeso kun la Skota vorto "glamour" demonstras, ke la rakonto pri Glam existas en Skotia ed Islando komune, ed es do multe plu anciena kam Grettir (del yaro 1014). Cf 'glam' kadavratra e teroriganta homulo. Ivar Aasen." Persone, mea opiniono esas skeptika, kande me lektas, ke "grammar" e "glamour" es samfamilia. En Europa "r" ed "l" es tre distinta konsonanti (forsan en Japona e China lingui ica konsonanti es plu proxima, ma to es altra kozo). Yes, existas, exemple, "papel" en Hispana linguo e "paper" en multa altri, ma "gr-" e "gl-"? Pasante, Ivar Aasen esis la homo, qua inventis Nynorsk - to es Norvega linguo, la fundamento di qua es la Norvega dialekti, ne la Dana linguo, qua es la fundamento di la Norvega linguo di la majoritato de Norvegi - Bokmaal. Lua biografio esus forsan interesanta por ni Idisti: ilu esis anke idealisto, qua komencas preske sola. E nun preske 15% de Norvegi, qua parolas dialekti heme, uzas ica Nynorsk kom "lingua franca" skribata. Saluti, Eric Dickens ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/list/idolisto Free Web-based e-mail groups by eGroups.com From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 171 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 9275 invoked by uid 7770); 6 Apr 1999 12:50:25 -0000 Received: from wya-lfd102.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (207.82.252.166) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 6 Apr 1999 12:50:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 21101 invoked by uid 0); 6 Apr 1999 12:50:10 -0000 Message-ID: <19990406125010.21100.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 206.167.80.240 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 06 Apr 1999 05:50:09 PDT From: "Martin Lavallee" To: idolisto@egroups.com Date: Tue, 06 Apr 1999 05:50:09 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] texti en Ido Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kar amiko, Multa taskin me mustas nun facar. Pri alfabeta ordinado di pagini: me preferus ula segun-tema paginaro. Exemple, pagino qua prizentas la religii lektebla en Ido, pagino qua prizentas la texti pri homeosexualeso, ed cetera. Me anke havas prioreso finar uldie la vortolibro franca-ido en la interreto. Nun esas forsan kinimo. Anke me enretigas la evangelio segun santa Markus. Kevin Ford, la tradukanto di ica grava dokumento, atingis la dek-e-quaresma chapitro. �Omnafoye kande ulu adjuntas texto en Ido ye l' interreto, lu anuncas to a vu, kom indexisto, ka ni povas interkonsentar to? La texti esez provizita de trovovorti ed indexizita segun ta vorti.� Me ne kredas esar kapabla krear serchilo en Ido. Amike, Martin Martin Lavalle'e Linguo Internaciona Ido http://yi.com/home/ChandlerJames/ http://members.tripod.com/~Lavaleo/Enya.html http://www.angelfire.com/or/esperantotekstaro/index.html http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/8009/idolinguo.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/list/idolisto Free Web-based e-mail groups by eGroups.com From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 172 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 2149 invoked by uid 7770); 6 Apr 1999 17:33:25 -0000 Received: from spartacus.a2000.nl (HELO smtp2.a2000.nl) (62.108.1.20) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 6 Apr 1999 17:33:25 -0000 Received: from node118d7.a2000.nl ([24.132.24.215] helo=default.a2000.nl) by smtp2.a2000.nl with esmtp (Exim 2.02 #4) id 10UZix-0006lS-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 19:33:19 +0200 From: "Ido-Info" To: "idolisto" Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 17:24:30 +0200 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: Subject: [ido] radio, omni askoltas la radio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kar amiki, Segun me 'radio' es radio! Adminime, me sempre uzis ol tale. Me sempre pensis ke esis un ek ta poka vorti kun plurala signifiki, ma nun ke me probis kontrolar to, me ne plu povas la fonto di mea informo. Ma, kar amiko Zeno, quo 'por la diablo' es diskurso seminala? (Me savas ke vu probable misskribis e vizis: semanala, ka ne?) Kar amiko Frank, Anke a tu, pardonez a me ca stupida 'detal-atencado', ma quo es 'patrulo'? Ka patro qua hazarde es viro? Kar amiko Akira Morita, Me joyas ke vu ankore es sana ed retroesas che ni. Nun ke sioro Bebson Y. Takata tempale es for, forsan vu povas plenigar nia forumo per sajeso Japoniana. Oke, saluti amikala, Hans St. ************************************************ Ido, linguo internaciona! Absolute vizitez: http://members.tripod.com/~avancigado ************************************************ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/list/idolisto Free Web-based e-mail groups by eGroups.com From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 173 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 27851 invoked by uid 7770); 6 Apr 1999 21:14:16 -0000 Received: from mail2.ip.pt (194.79.69.132) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 6 Apr 1999 21:14:16 -0000 Received: from clientec (pm-lx-4-07.net.ip.pt [195.23.4.71]) by mail2.ip.pt with ESMTP id WAA24415 for < idolisto@egroups.com>; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 22:14:20 +0100 (WEST) Message-Id: <199904062114.WAA24415@mail2.ip.pt> Reply-To: From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Gon=E7alo_Neves?=" To: "IDOLISTO" Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 21:58:36 +0200 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] Progreso Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Kar amiki, Same kam multi ek nia listani, anke me recente recevis e parlektis la unusma numero cayara di Progreso. Me ne volas repetar hike la komenti da Hans pri la bona qualesi di nia precipua revuo. Me ne dubitas ke omna listani partoprenas mea opiniono, ke Progreso esas quaze pano nekareebla por la Idistaro. La problemo esas ke ni devas hungrar tante longe, pro vartar la nutrivo dum tri monati! Vartado tante longa, kun stomako tante vakua, certe defektas nia saneso. Por ke ni ne maladeskez, OPORTAS AUGMENTAR LA FREQUESO DI PROGRESO. Yen propozo, yen advoko, yen defio. Quo povus impedar ica augmento? Segun mea kompreno di novico, nur tri kozi: (1) Ne existar suficanta nombro de artikli por plenigar sis numeri yarala, vice la nuna quar numeri. (2) La redaktero ne povar (pro tempo-manko od altra motivo) sorgar plu multa numeri kam le nuna. (3) La augmento dil frequeso implikar nesuportebla augmento dil spensi, qui sualatere implikus augmento dil membro-kontributo yarala. Kad ica impedili es vere impediva? Nu, yen: Pri (1) ni ne sorgez. Senproblema plenigon di plusa numeri ya garantias la quanto e qualeso dil artikli, texti e diskuti lastatempe aparinta che Idol ed en la reto generale. Ulo movas e vekas en la nuna movemento, ka ne? Ka vi ne sentas lo? Pri (2): se la redaktero sentus ita problemo (quo es naturala), on facile povus pluaktivigar od augmentar la komitato redaktal. Quon ne povas facar un homo, ton certe povas facar esquado. Pri (3). Hike povus esar la problemo. Augmento dil membro-kontributo povus desatraktar membri e divenar nesuportebla por multi. Tamen on povus adminime studiar lo! Kalkular eventuala extra-kusti, inquestar che la membri, me ne savas. Forsan ULI esus kapabla suportar la kusti per facar ulasorta "gimnastiko" financal. Forsan on povus krear la kategorio di membro-apoganto, kun plu alta kontributo. Forsan... Oportas adminime studiar lo. Yen do mea advoko al DK: voluntez STUDIAR LA POSIBLESO DI AUGMENTAR LA FREQUESO di Progreso (de trimonateso a bimonateso). Forsan on povus cayare krear la kondicioni necesa por efektigar ica augmento de pos la yaro 2000. To esus bona maniero por celebar la eniro di nia linguo en la nova yarcento e preparar la unesma centenario di Ido ye 2007, kande Progreso devus publisesar* ja ne en singla duesma monato, ma mem en singla monato. Tale ni ne hungrus. Kun saluto kordial, Gon�alo Neves (hungrozo til junio 99) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/list/idolisto Free Web-based e-mail groups by eGroups.com From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 174 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 19668 invoked by uid 7770); 7 Apr 1999 16:52:26 -0000 Received: from epmsa001.ep.minsk.by (HELO epms3.ep.minsk.by) (194.226.122.227) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 7 Apr 1999 16:52:26 -0000 Received: by epmsa001.ep.minsk.by with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id <220DZYML>; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 19:52:52 +0300 Message-ID: <8D76D48EDDD3D211AC3000A0C98212E703A797@epmsa001.ep.minsk.by> From: "Dmitri P. Laptsionak" To: 'IDOLISTO' Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 19:52:42 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Subject: [ido] Re: Linguala questioni Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1251" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Saluto e danko ad omni. Estimata Don Gasper, vua respondo esas tale klara e simpla, ke ol pensigas me - me ja meritas titolo "Idiotisto", ka ne? Me ja imprimis citajo di Eric Dickens: "...mea propra problemi gramatikala es ofte la rezulto de ne volar penar lektar quon nia seniori ja esas skribinta e debatinta multa yari ante nun." E pendigis la citajo avan me kom averto - necesesas lernar. Danko anke a sioro Hans Stuifberger. Me komprenis, ke on ne uzas prefixi e sufixi kom propra vorti (kom radiki). Ma me opinionas, ke por la linguo esez plu vivaca, necesesas existo di alternativa formi expresar sua pensi. Exemple se a me tedis omna-die dicar "Bona matino", me certe povas exercar e dicar "Desadio", anstat* "manjez" - "dent-laborez", kande apude esas mulieri on povas ne kriar "fekar" ma delikate vocar "des-manjar" etp. Zmicier Lapcionak ------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/list/idolisto Free Web-based e-mail groups by eGroups.com From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 175 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 29007 invoked by uid 7770); 7 Apr 1999 18:55:33 -0000 Received: from farida.a2000.nl (HELO smtp1.a2000.nl) (62.108.1.19) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 7 Apr 1999 18:55:33 -0000 Received: from node118d7.a2000.nl ([24.132.24.215] helo=default.a2000.nl) by smtp1.a2000.nl with esmtp (Exim 2.02 #4) id 10UxU1-0003m6-01 for idolisto@egroups.com; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 20:55:29 +0200 From: "Ido-Info" To: "idolisto" Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 20:59:50 +0200 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: Subject: [ido] alternativa formi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kar amiki, kar amiko Dmitri Laptsoniak, Me certe konkordas vu ke linguo povas uzar alternativa formi expresar sua pensi. Ma, interne la gramatiko di ta linguo. Esperanto es Esperanto, Ido es Ido, omna linguo havas sua propra idiomo e posiblesi. To signifikas ke on devas esar sat kreiva por pensar pri alternativi, segun la gramatiko propra di la linguo. Ne es objeciono kontre la da vu uzata exempli: "desadio", "dentolaborez", certe ne, to montras pruvo di vua kreiveso. Ma fekIFar (pardonez me pro mea obstinemeso korektigar) semblas a me vorto 'neutra', mem kelke ciencala. Me povas imaginar ke mediko questionos a me (od a muliero), quale es vua feko? Forsan plu kruda vorto esus "kakar" (ya verbala radiko). E, ka "desmanjar" anke ne povas signifikar 'vomar'? Ma me dicas, durigez esar kreiva, to certe augmentas l' expresebleso e richigos la linguo. To memorigas me pri amikino di me qua respondis a sua spozo, kande il dum krizo relatala questionis ad el "ka tu amoras me?", "me ne odias tu". (!) Saluti desenemikala, Hans St. ************************************************ Ido, linguo internaciona! Absolute vizitez: http://members.tripod.com/~avancigado ************************************************ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/list/idolisto Free Web-based e-mail groups by eGroups.com From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 176 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 23481 invoked by uid 7770); 8 Apr 1999 09:19:18 -0000 Received: from mout0.01019freenet.de (194.97.109.116) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 8 Apr 1999 09:19:18 -0000 Received: from [62.104.201.2] (helo=mx1.01019freenet.de) by mout0.01019freenet.de with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 10VAxy-0003f5-01 for idolisto@egroups.com; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 11:19:18 +0200 Received: from [212.81.138.227] (helo=www) by mx1.01019freenet.de with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 10VAxo-0003tj-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 11:19:08 +0200 Message-ID: <001501be81a0$d70f30c0$528b51d4@www.fen.baynet.de> From: "Alfred Neussner" To: "Idolisto (mesaji)" Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 11:12:21 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Subject: [ido] Re: Internet-vendeyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Kara amiki! Me volas uzar l'okaziono dil restado de Frank Kasper che me por sendar a vi e-postala mesajo. Me volas apertar mikra vendeyo por postmarki per l'interreto, per qua me samtempe volas propagar Ido. Me preparis la sequanta texto por la vendeyo: Specala stampuri e postmarki pri fervoyo, fairo-brigado, lingui internaciona. Maxim granda ofro sur la mondo (cirkume 4000 stampuri fervoyala). Postmarki e stampuri ek altra domeni segun mankolisti po 10-50% Michel (en DM). Katalogi od ofrolisti kontre antecipa adsendo di postmarki di vua lando ye la valoro di 3,- EURO. Voluntez mencionar vua domeno kolektala! Korespondo kun l�exterlando prefere per la linguo internaciona Ido (moderna Esperanto). 10% di rabato ye korespondo per Ido.(informi pri Ido en internet trovesas ye http://www.idolinguo.de) A.Neussner, Modellbahn-Hof Burghofen, DE-37284 Waldkappel, Fax +495656/1812 La sama texton me volas anke Angle e France insertar. Questiono: Ka samideani quale Jacques Bol, Martin Laval�e od altri povus tradukar la texton aden la Franca ed Angla lingui e sendar la tradukuri per E-postala mesajo a Frank Kasper ? Me predankas a vi por via helpo ! Kordiala saluti a vi omni ! Alfred Neussner alfred.neussner@idolinguo.de ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/list/idolisto Free Web-based e-mail groups by eGroups.com From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 177 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 27612 invoked by uid 7770); 9 Apr 1999 02:15:27 -0000 Received: from mail2.deltanet.com (199.171.190.56) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 9 Apr 1999 02:15:27 -0000 Received: from ts011d19.lax-ca.concentric.net (ts011d19.lax-ca.concentric.net [206.173.241.31]) by mail2.deltanet.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id TAA15684 for ; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 19:15:21 -0700 (PDT) From: zeno@deltanet.com (Zeno) To: "idolisto" Date: Fri, 09 Apr 1999 02:14:56 GMT Message-ID: <370f6029.109079219@smtp.deltanet.com> References: <002b01be8028$783d8f20$844c79c3@pc> In-Reply-To: <002b01be8028$783d8f20$844c79c3@pc> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] the glamour of glamr, ed altra kozi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ye mardio, 6-ma aprilo 1999, Eric Dickens skribis: >Persone, mea opiniono = esas skeptika, kande me lektas, ke "grammar" e >"glamour" es samfamilia. En= Europa "r" ed "l" es tre distinta konsonanti >(forsan en Japona e China li= ngui ica konsonanti es plu proxima, ma to es >altra kozo). Yes, existas, ex= emple, "papel" en Hispana linguo e "paper" en >multa altri, ma "gr-" e "gl-= "? Danko, Sioro Dickens, por la informajo. Nun me serchas anciena diciona= rii ! De pos me respondas a la mesajo, me serchas la vorto "glamour". Me = trovis la sama informajo en "Cambridge Encyclopedia of the English Language= " e "Oxford Etymology" (voluntez pardonar me se la tituli ne esas exakta, m= e trovis li en la libro-butiko). Ma me ne havas vua experienco, e me ne sa= vas ka omna di ta autori obtenis lia informajo de la sama fundo, e ka ta in= formajo esas nekorekta! - Zeno ------------------------------------------= ------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/list/ido= listo Free Web-based e-mail groups by eGroups.com From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 178 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 419 invoked by uid 7770); 9 Apr 1999 02:24:55 -0000 Received: from mail2.deltanet.com (199.171.190.56) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 9 Apr 1999 02:24:55 -0000 Received: from ts011d19.lax-ca.concentric.net (ts011d19.lax-ca.concentric.net [206.173.241.31]) by mail2.deltanet.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id TAA18815 for ; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 19:24:48 -0700 (PDT) From: zeno@deltanet.com (Zeno) To: "idolisto" Date: Fri, 09 Apr 1999 02:24:23 GMT Message-ID: <371062b1.109727632@smtp.deltanet.com> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] radio, omni askoltas la radio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ye mardio, 6-ma aprilo 1999, Hans Stuifbergen skribis: >Segun me 'radio' e= s radio! Adminime, me sempre uzis ol tale. Me sempre >pensis ke esis un ek = ta poka vorti kun plurala signifiki, ma nun ke me >probis kontrolar to, me = ne plu povas la fonto di mea informo. Ma, kar amiko >Zeno, quo 'por la diab= lo' es diskurso seminala? (Me savas ke vu probable >misskribis e vizis: sem= anala, ka ne?) Ho! adminime ne povas esar irga konfuzeso. Me opinionas ke= la mondo savas ke Prezidanto Clinton ne mustas vartar la korekta tempo di = la semana por ilua seminala livro (o mem la korekta persono)! - Zeno ----= --------------------------------------------------------------------- eGroup= home: http://www.eGroups.com/list/idolisto Free Web-based e-mail groups by= eGroups.com From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 179 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 10266 invoked by uid 7770); 9 Apr 1999 15:58:12 -0000 Received: from mout00.kundenserver.de (195.20.224.69) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 9 Apr 1999 15:58:12 -0000 Received: from [195.20.224.67] (helo=mx00.kundenserver.de) by mout00.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 10VdfX-0001lC-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 17:58:11 +0200 Received: from [212.81.137.216] (helo=www) by mx00.kundenserver.de with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 10VdfW-00007y-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 17:58:10 +0200 Message-ID: <001b01be82a1$c1dd3d80$d88951d4@www.fen.baynet.de> From: "Frank Kasper" To: "'IDOLISTO'" Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 17:54:04 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Subject: [ido] Re: Linguala questioni Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kara amiki! Yen komento da Alfred Neussner relate linguala problemi mencionita recente da nia kara amiko Dmitri P. Laptsionak: Kara amiki! La vorto "anstat" esas komplete superflua, nam "vice" tote suficas. L'uzo di deskripto-vorti anke okazione esas en Germana kustumala, ma nur kande existas jokala rondo en qua on kelkfoye tale parolas. "transshovez kelka bilieteti" vice "voluntez donar a me pekunio". Ton on povas dicar, eventuale en amikala konverso, ma generale on devus tale parolar, ke on nemediate interkomprenas. Kordiale salutante! Alfred Neussner alfred.neussner@idolinguo.de Ica mesajo transsendesis da Frank Kasper frank.kasper@idolinguo.de ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/list/idolisto Free Web-based e-mail groups by eGroups.com From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 180 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 32615 invoked by uid 7770); 9 Apr 1999 20:31:49 -0000 Received: from out0.mx.skynet.be (195.238.2.35) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 9 Apr 1999 20:31:49 -0000 Received: from login.skynet.be (dialup113.wavre.skynet.be [195.238.10.113]) by out0.mx.skynet.be (8.9.3/odie-relay-v1.0) with ESMTP id WAA20456 for ; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 22:31:34 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199904092031.WAA20456@out0.mx.skynet.be> Reply-To: From: "BOL Jacques" To: "idolisto" Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 23:49:56 +0200 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] Diversaji pri Progreso Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit A.) l'ADVOKO DA G.NEVES por plu multa numeri di Progreso po yaro.Il ne semblas bone lektir nam Progreso aparas trifoye po yaro ed ne quar. Kande me riprenis la funciono di redaktero ed editero di Progreso en 1987, lor l'Ido-konfero en Eschwege,la revuo esis desaparanta; la lora redaktero ,Roger Moureaux, informis la prezidanto ke il ne plus povis durar sua tasko pro manko di artikli; me aceptis ta tasko pro ke me esis certa obtenar la kunlaboro di mea amiko A. Juste qua posedis enorma povo di produkto d'artikli valoroza , e qua til lore ne aceptis facile kunlaborar kun Moureaux tante il timis ke ica deformez sua texti o ne aceptez li tala quala li esis(tote ne-juste segun me ma la fakto existis) Depos 12 yari, me esforcis do kun la helpo di A.Juste , ed anke di kelka altri ( e me salutas specale Heidi Neussner e G�nter Anton) konservar a la revuo la nivelo quan ol sempre havis, ma kun desfacileso; esis ofte miraklo aparigar la revuo justatempe; ofte Andreas o me devis rapide redaktar lasta artikli por plenigar la 16 pagini e nultempe me havis rezervo por la sequanta numero. Nun Andreas esas mortinta e nova kunlaboranti devas aparar se on volas durigar la revuo; me esas sola fakte til nun por ta skopo e to postulas granda laboro se on volas quale me, konservar la bona nivelo di la revuo, e la korekteso di la linguo ; sequante la konsili di Couturat me esforcis konservar a singla texto la vid-maniero e la stilo di l'autoro ma tamen ofte me propozas a lu sive modifiko por klarigar la penso, sive korektigo : e mem pri texti tote ne-korekta , me propozas nova prizentado nam singlafoye, me eniras en la pelo! dil lektero e questionas me : quon il komprenos de to, ka to es facile komprenebla, klara ? To postulas necesanta laboro e me ne sentas me kapabla asumar ta tasko por plu kam la tri yarala numeri, tante plu ke por diminutar la kusto, depos plura numeri, me ipsa imprimigas la texti sur komputilo , o se on preferas me ipsa komputas la tota revuo e kopiigas la textaro en kopierio e ne plus en imprimerio. Restas ultre to, la distributo pri qua me esas helpata da la kasero Fr.Regnier (mea bofrato) e qua postulas anke tempo. On devas konsiderar nun la tre valoroza laboro da Jean Martignon qua sola produktas LETRO INTERNACIONA en bona e tre korekta Ido, omna du monati. (olim la angla IDO-VIVO pleis ta rolo di supleanta revuo a Progreso ma desfortunoze, ol desaparis) Me repetas ke ni esas aktualeTRE POKA aktiva idisti e tre poka anke qui pagas la yarala kontributo; demandar kontributo plu alta !!! revo ! Depos longatempe ni ne plus havus pekunio se meceno (nia anciena prezidanto R�hnisch) ne konsentis a la kaso yarala importanta sumo quan la kasero jeris tre kapable e habile quo posibligas editar Progreso dum plura sequanta yari. Ma la questiono esos konsiderenda; omnakaze, me ne plus povos durar mea tasko longatempe egarde mea evo. B) YURI DI AUTORO; ta yuri existas ed on ne povas publikigar texti sen la konsento di l'autoro, ecepte se la verko falis en la publika domeno; A.Juste , advokato ipsa, lernis a me ke on povas tamen publikigar extraktaji citante la nomo di l'autoro; ma on devas, segun me, verifikar en quala kondicioni; Me memoras ke Heidi Neussner sendis plurfoye tradukuri di verki pos inquestir che l'autoro e demandir la permiso. Me esos absenta dum 8 dii . Saluti ad omni. Jacques Bol jbol@skynet.be ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/list/idolisto Free Web-based e-mail groups by eGroups.com From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 181 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 16212 invoked by uid 7770); 10 Apr 1999 18:27:42 -0000 Received: from gilliam.vip.uk.com (194.176.218.1) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 10 Apr 1999 18:27:42 -0000 Received: from default (VIP-202-46.vip.uk.com [194.176.202.46]) by gilliam.vip.uk.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id TAA13116 for ; Sat, 10 Apr 1999 19:27:38 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <000001be837e$f1945260$2ecab0c2@default> From: "wood" To: Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 19:01:51 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Subject: [ido] Skotia Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0005_01BE8384.97BB2A60" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01BE8384.97BB22A60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Kar Idolani Amiko prizus informo pri Idisti en Skotia. 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------=_NextPart_000_0005_01BE8384.97BB22A60-- From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 182 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 24839 invoked by uid 7770); 10 Apr 1999 22:00:28 -0000 Received: from mail2.ip.pt (194.79.69.132) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 10 Apr 1999 22:00:28 -0000 Received: from clientec (pm-lx-3-19.net.ip.pt [195.23.4.19]) by mail2.ip.pt with ESMTP id XAA25456 for < idolisto@egroups.com>; Sat, 10 Apr 1999 23:00:35 +0100 (WEST) Message-Id: <199904102200.XAA25456@mail2.ip.pt> Reply-To: From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Gon=E7alo_Neves?=" To: "IDOLISTO" Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 22:42:45 +0200 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] Progreso Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Kar amiki Jacques Bol, Alfred Neussner e ceteri, Danko pro vua reakti a mea advoko pri Progreso. Me bone komprenas la situeso di amiko Bol. Advere il esas ulasorta heroo niatempa, same kam amiki Martignon, Hans, Frank, Chandler, Zeno (danko pro vua enretigo di la Kompleta Detaloza, qua atraktis me ad Ido tri monati ante nun!), Lavallee e mult altri. Esar heroo en la nuna epoko robotatra* es desfacil e penoza. Voluntez durar esar heroi, kar amiki, nam ni bezonas lo! Ma anke me volas esar heroo. Konseque, me propozas me kom kunredaktero di Progreso, por helpar amiko Bol. De pos agosto cayara me povos asumar yena taski: (1) Skribar ipsa artikli (me ja komencis agar lo). (2) Korektigar artikli da altri. (3) Kompilar artikli de plura fonti (ex. de interreto) e redaktar li. (4) Kompozar komputore la tota revuo per la programo Publisher, qua paginigas e donas aspekto profesional ad irga textaro. (5) Sendar a Belgia disketo od imprimuro kun la tuta revuo ja pronta a kopiesar. Me supozas ke per ta helpo la revuo senprobleme povas divenar trimonata. Forsan ni povas diskutar lo dum la renkontro en Neviges. Kun saluto kordial, Gon�alo Neves ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/list/idolisto Free Web-based e-mail groups by eGroups.com From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 183 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 18493 invoked by uid 7770); 11 Apr 1999 08:16:26 -0000 Received: from mail2.ip.pt (194.79.69.132) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 11 Apr 1999 08:16:26 -0000 Received: from clientec (pm-lx-4-28.net.ip.pt [195.23.4.92]) by mail2.ip.pt with ESMTP id JAA15615 for < idolisto@egroups.com>; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 09:16:26 +0100 (WEST) Message-Id: <199904110816.JAA15615@mail2.ip.pt> Reply-To: From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Gon=E7alo_Neves?=" To: "IDOLISTO" Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 09:00:33 +0200 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] =?ISO-8859-1?Q?poemo_da_Fern=E1ndez_=28Amor-temo=29?= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Kar amiki, Yen altra poemo da Miguel Fern�ndez, olquan me tradukis de Esperanto: Amor-temo Tale: side, plaje, glutante la krepuskulo en foreso per bolo kun mil spumi, transpasar tu per amoro, mea amoro. Yen sablo, shali arjenta sur mar-pelo infinita. Yen kisi, amoro, por amoro kun me eterne kunfuzita. Ma hundo fore aboyas stentore sur sablo litore, fugas tu kun la brizo, esvanas la paradizo, restas me e la maro, la kloki pluvas bitra gutaro. Tale: jace, rukule, ek nudesi nia plektar sukuso jua, sentar laxeso sur la labii, transportar ni amore aden vakuo, abandonar tempo gravida ye kadavri e mort-landi, experiencar la sprosi di flor-sezono sub la plandi. Ma la duelo en hund-inferno - duranta sufero - divenas inkubo presanta for tu, an la maro. Unike revas me ja transpasar tu per amoro, mea amoro. da Miguel Fern�ndez (Hispania) tradukis: Gon�alo Neves ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/list/idolisto Free Web-based e-mail groups by eGroups.com From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 184 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 6555 invoked by uid 7770); 12 Apr 1999 12:05:51 -0000 Received: from spartacus.a2000.nl (HELO smtp2.a2000.nl) (62.108.1.20) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 12 Apr 1999 12:05:51 -0000 Received: from node118d7.a2000.nl ([24.132.24.215] helo=default) by smtp2.a2000.nl with esmtp (Exim 2.02 #4) id 10WfTK-0007Ha-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 14:05:50 +0200 From: "Ido-Info" To: "idolisto" Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 13:58:34 +0200 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: Subject: [ido] gratitudeso Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Kar amiki, Pardonez me pro kelka dii de absenteso, ma yen itere me. Me lektis la mesaji ed es tre gratitudoza pro la komplezemeso di amiko Gon�alo Neves kooperar la redaktado di Progreso. Danko, amiko, danko! Anke me opinionas ke oportas augmentar la foyi di aparo di nia revui, ma anke tre bone komprenas la ofte solitara e penoza laborado di nia aktiva samideani, por singlafoye produktar nova numero. Me ipsa editante kelka revui koncias, rikonocas e komprenas lo e havas nulo kam respekto por l' editeri di nia revui. Ma me anke ne oblivias ti qui es laboranta "dop la skreni", kelka foyi ya tre literale, dop la skreni di la komputori por enretigar texti pri ed en Ido, od altramaniere es aktiva por nia linguo. Irgaquale, me quik okupas me pri la fino di generala lernolibro en la Nederlandana, por ke me povez imprimigar ante la fino di la yaro, adminime. Saluti amikala, Hans St. ************************************************ Ido, linguo internaciona! Absolute vizitez: http://members.tripod.com/~avancigado ************************************************ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/list/idolisto Free Web-based e-mail groups by eGroups.com From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 185 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 22225 invoked by uid 7770); 12 Apr 1999 17:19:16 -0000 Received: from www.minitel.net (HELO gmailint2.globalmail.net) (193.252.91.18) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 12 Apr 1999 17:19:16 -0000 Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 19:19:16 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199904121719.TAA19620@gmailint2.globalmail.net> From: jeanmartignon@minitel.net (JEAN MARTIGNON) Reply-To: jeanmartignon@minitel.net To: idolisto@egroups.com (IDOLISTO) MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] Revui Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Kara cibernauti, Me retrovenis hiere de kurta vakanco-sejorno, e me lektis kun intereso la mesaji pri nia revui. Esas tre bona publikigar plu ofte revui en nia linguo, mealatere me ja efektigis lo. Ma, anke se posible , esus tre bona editar libreti en nia linguo pri temi hodiala qui povas interesar la homi : Detektiv-romaneti, cienco-fiktiveso, historio, amor- rakonti, aktualaji, poemi edc... Ito, se ni povus, extreme vivigus nia linguo. Kad, nunatempe, esas posibla imprimigar tre chipe libreti ? Per quala moyeni e tekniki ? Kun kordiala ciberspacala saluti. jeanmartignon@minitel.net ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/list/idolisto Free Web-based e-mail groups by eGroups.com From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 186 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 22765 invoked by uid 7770); 12 Apr 1999 18:16:13 -0000 Received: from mout00.kundenserver.de (195.20.224.69) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 12 Apr 1999 18:16:13 -0000 Received: from [195.20.224.67] (helo=mx00.kundenserver.de) by mout00.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 10WlFi-0002QZ-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 20:16:10 +0200 Received: from [62.157.15.193] (helo=www) by mx00.kundenserver.de with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 10WlFi-0006At-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 20:16:10 +0200 Message-ID: <002401be8510$8e3d3720$c10f9d3e@www.fen.baynet.de> From: "Frank Kasper" To: "Idolisto (mesaji)" Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 20:13:38 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Subject: [ido] Re: Saluti da Eberhard Scholz Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kara amiki, me lektis omni recenta mesaji. Omni esas interesiva,tre interesiva ! Pos kelka tempo me komunikos mea opinioni koncerne nia movado idista ad Idolisto.Me admiras l'aktivesi di samideani, qui erste recente adheris a nia movado e qui ya tale aktive partoprenas l'interretala Ido-vivo e kompreneble ti d'omna altri.Me gratulas omni amiki kordialege ! Kun la maxim kordiala ed amikala saluti a vi omni! Okazione la renkontro kun Frank Kasper me helpe da lu anke votis per "Yes" por krear novajgrupi che "Usenet" Til riskribo! Eberhard Scholz eberhard.scholz@idolinguo.de ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/list/idolisto Free Web-based e-mail groups by eGroups.com From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 187 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 32101 invoked by uid 7770); 12 Apr 1999 20:28:18 -0000 Received: from mout00.kundenserver.de (195.20.224.69) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 12 Apr 1999 20:28:18 -0000 Received: from [195.20.224.67] (helo=mx00.kundenserver.de) by mout00.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 10WnJZ-0001sY-00; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 22:28:17 +0200 Received: from [212.81.132.173] (helo=www) by mx00.kundenserver.de with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 10WnJY-0003lN-00; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 22:28:16 +0200 Message-ID: <000801be8523$02530f60$ad8451d4@www.fen.baynet.de> From: "Frank Kasper" To: "Idolisto (mesaji)" Cc: "Manfred Magin" Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 22:10:18 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Subject: [ido] Re: La recenta mesaji ad "Idolisto" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kara amiki! Me volas dankar ad omni, qui sendis mesaji ad "Idolisto" dum la recenta dii. Me vere admiras l'optimismo e kurajo da nia kara amiko Goncalo koncerne la futuro de nia Ido-revui. Omnakaze me transsendos lua konstruktiva komenti e propozi komune kun la vere apta reagi da Jacques Bol a nia kara prezidanto Guenter Anton pregonte lu aranjar diskuti pri ca problemo dum nia konfero en Wuppertal-Neviges. Me anke tote konformas kun la talrelata komento da Hans. Me pensas, ke ni devez duskutar ta importanta afero dum nia konfero. Me nur povas dicar a nia kara amiko Goncalo: Voluntez durar vua valoroza laboro por nia kara linguo Ido!!! Se me retrovenos a Nuernberg me imprimos la poemi recevita e recevota til lore per "Idolisto" e sendos ol ad Jean Martignon, por ke lu povos aparigar ol en "Letro Internaciona". Jacques Bol ya mem povis lektar ed imprimar ol por "Progreso". Quale me ya informis vi me depos sis dii ne esis heme. Me sejornis che Alfred Neussner en Waldkappel dum quar dii, ube me ordinigis 1 150 kilogrami di libri, qui sendeskis a lu de Suedia. Precipue la sendajo konsistis ek Vortolibri "Ido-Sueda" e "Sueda- Ido" e Sueda Ido-lernolibro, ma me anke trovis plura anciena Ido-libreti inter la libri recevita. Depos du dii me nun sejornas che mea patro en Anklam en Nord-Esto di Germania proxime a la frontiero a Polonia e la Baltika Maro. Okazione me pasis la hodia vespero che mea Ido-amiko Eberhard Scholz, qua ante preske 27 yari rekrutis me por Ido e pose docis a me la linguo. Me montris a lu la recenta mesaji recevita e posibligis a lu sendar salutmesajo ad omna membri dil "Idolisto". Lu permisis a me membrigar lu aden nia forumo per lua e-postala adreso: eberhard.scholz@idolinguo.de quan me kompreneble quik facis. Lua filiulo en Berlin recevos la mesaji sendota ad "Idolisto" e transsendos ol faxe a lua patro. Me tre esperas, ke me per mea hodia demonstrado eventuale konvinkabis mea kara amiko Eberhard anke komprar komputilo e tale posibligar mem partoprenor en nia diskuti. Til lore lu intencas sendar a me lua komenti per faxilo e me transsendos ol ad "Idolisto". Do, me esas felicoza, ke de hodie duesma Idisto en Germania reguloze recevos nia mesaji. Me anke tre joyas, ke nia kara amiko Tom Wood intertempe retrovenis ad "Idolisto". Kara amiko Tom! Me deziras a vu ankorfoye multa plezuro en nia forumo! Esez ankorfoye bonvenanta! Regretinde me ne konocas Idisto en Skotia, ma me volunte rapide informos vu, se me saveskus ula. Do, me nun volas finar e dissendar mea komenti relate la recenta eventi che "Idolisto". Fine me volas konstatar, ke mea laboro kom administrero dil "Idolisto" tre plezas a me precipue l' agreablega aktivesi de kelka membri, qui vere facas valorozega Ido-laboro. Do, dezirez a nia forumo plusa tala sucesi e longa vivo!! Me deziras a vi omni ankore agreabla semano!! Kun la maxim kordiala ed amikala saluti a vi omni! Frank Kasper frank.kasper@idolinguo.de ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/list/idolisto Free Web-based e-mail groups by eGroups.com From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 188 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 26515 invoked by uid 7770); 12 Apr 1999 21:15:51 -0000 Received: from mail2.ip.pt (194.79.69.132) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 12 Apr 1999 21:15:51 -0000 Received: from clientec (pm-lx-3-39.net.ip.pt [195.23.4.39]) by mail2.ip.pt with ESMTP id WAA03245 for < idolisto@egroups.com>; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 22:15:53 +0100 (WEST) Message-Id: <199904122115.WAA03245@mail2.ip.pt> Reply-To: From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Gon=E7alo_Neves?=" To: "IDOLISTO" Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 21:49:33 +0200 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] Nova editerio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Kar amiki, Me anuncas ke me jus fondis nova editerio: Editerio Sudo Av. Miguel Torga, 25, Ed. B, 2 A 1070-1083 LISBOA Portugal tel. fax.: +351 (0)1 386 52 56 poedan@ip.pt Ica editerio editos en Ido, od en la Portugalana ed Esperanto pri Ido, e sam-tempe responsos oficale pri la difuzo di Ido en Portugal. La unesma edituro esos Portugalana traduko di la verko da Andreas Juste "Un parler d'amis", olqua aparos pos tri monati. Preparata esas anke ampla dicionario Portugalana-Ido, mas to es projeto por multa yari. Ol ankore esas en stando embrional, kontenante nur 250 kap-vorti. Kun saluto kordial, Gon�alo Neves ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/list/idolisto Free Web-based e-mail groups by eGroups.com From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 189 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 26546 invoked by uid 7770); 12 Apr 1999 21:15:51 -0000 Received: from mail2.ip.pt (194.79.69.132) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 12 Apr 1999 21:15:51 -0000 Received: from clientec (pm-lx-3-39.net.ip.pt [195.23.4.39]) by mail2.ip.pt with ESMTP id WAA03267 for < idolisto@egroups.com>; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 22:15:55 +0100 (WEST) Message-Id: <199904122115.WAA03267@mail2.ip.pt> Reply-To: From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Gon=E7alo_Neves?=" To: "IDOLISTO" Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 21:59:54 +0200 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] Bibliografio di Ido Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Kar amiki, Me recente recevis e parfoliumis la nova verko da Tazio Carlevaro "Bibliografio di Ido". Ol esas tre bona ed ampla, e me rekomendas ol ad omni. Sur 193 pagini A-3 (do 400 pagini en normala libro-formato!) trovesas amaso de informi precoza ed utila por sercheri ed amanti dil Ido-kulturo. Tamen ol ne es kompleta, precipue pri la yari plu recenta. Mankas ibe exemple omna edituri da Editerio "Tia Libro!". Pri to me ja avertis la autoro ed anke la editero di "Tia Libro!". Tazio Carlevaro predankas pri omna remarkigi pri manki ed erori, por eventuala duesma edito. Kun saluto kordial, Gon�alo Neves ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/list/idolisto Free Web-based e-mail groups by eGroups.com From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 190 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 10590 invoked by uid 7770); 12 Apr 1999 22:43:39 -0000 Received: from mail2.ip.pt (194.79.69.132) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 12 Apr 1999 22:43:39 -0000 Received: from clientec (pm-lx-6-32.net.ip.pt [195.23.96.32]) by mail2.ip.pt with ESMTP id XAA04301 for < idolisto@egroups.com>; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 23:43:44 +0100 (WEST) Message-Id: <199904122243.XAA04301@mail2.ip.pt> Reply-To: From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Gon=E7alo_Neves?=" To: "IDOLISTO" Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 23:08:17 +0200 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] "Parolacho!" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Kar amiki, Me recente kompris e parlektis "Parolacho! Lexiko pri amo, amoro, sexualeso e kozi relatanta. Slango, sinonimi, eufemismi, metafori e propozi en Ido", da nia Idolano Hans Stuifbergen. La longa titulo e subtituli ipsa ja es explikiva pri la kontenajo. Me adjuntos nur ke la libro tre plezas a me. La defini esas tre klara e bel-stila, e la vorto-selekto es tre ampla, de simpla "strad-vorti" forsan obcena (quankam la "obceneso" di vorti nultempe es absoluta, e vorti obcena por kelka popul-strati ne es tala por altri) til termini medicinal relatanta sexualeso, morbi venerala e kozi simila. Dum lektar la lexiko me remarkis anke ke Ido, per sua "picho" (=peniso), "kunio" (=vagino), "futuar" (=sexuagar) ed altri, es plu internaciona kam Esperanto mem sur ica tereno di "strad-vorti". [Me demandas pardono, se me ofensis la pudoro di ulu per citir la vorti supera.] Me do forte rekomendas ica libro. Kordiale salutas, Gon�alo Neves ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/list/idolisto Free Web-based e-mail groups by eGroups.com From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 191 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 10578 invoked by uid 7770); 12 Apr 1999 22:43:38 -0000 Received: from mail2.ip.pt (194.79.69.132) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 12 Apr 1999 22:43:38 -0000 Received: from clientec (pm-lx-6-32.net.ip.pt [195.23.96.32]) by mail2.ip.pt with ESMTP id XAA04292 for ; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 23:43:43 +0100 (WEST) Message-Id: <199904122243.XAA04292@mail2.ip.pt> Reply-To: From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Gon=E7alo_Neves?=" To: "IDOLISTO" Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 22:45:42 +0200 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] Re: Revui Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Kar amiko Jean Martignon: > Kad, nunatempe, esas posibla imprimigar > tre chipe libreti ? Per quala moyeni e > tekniki ? Suficas havar komputoro ed imprimilo, ed on povas imprimar libri heme, mem exemplerope, segun la ritmo dil komendi. Kun saluto kordial, Gon�alo ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/list/idolisto Free Web-based e-mail groups by eGroups.com From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 192 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 3446 invoked by uid 7770); 13 Apr 1999 02:29:49 -0000 Received: from wya-lfd91.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (207.82.252.155) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 13 Apr 1999 02:29:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 95118 invoked by uid 0); 13 Apr 1999 02:29:48 -0000 Message-ID: <19990413022948.95117.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 206.167.80.240 by wy1lg.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 19:29:46 PDT From: "Martin Lavallee" To: idolisto@egroups.com Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 19:29:46 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] sat okupat me es Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kar amiki, Me plezure vidas ke Ido aktive montras vivo-signi diverslande. En Kebekia Anne Claude duras la enretigado dil enorma dicionario franca-Ido e me probas sucesar omna mea kursi. Me esperas ke balde me povos krear ulo interrete o mem skribar artikleto por Progreso pos kelk semani. Amike Martin ______________________________________________________ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/list/idolisto Free Web-based e-mail groups by eGroups.com From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 193 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 23555 invoked by uid 7770); 13 Apr 1999 04:06:02 -0000 Received: from mail2.deltanet.com (199.171.190.56) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 13 Apr 1999 04:06:02 -0000 Received: from ts001d39.lax-ca.concentric.net (ts001d39.lax-ca.concentric.net [206.173.208.51]) by mail2.deltanet.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id VAA15595 for ; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 21:05:50 -0700 (PDT) From: zeno@deltanet.com (Zeno) To: "IDOLISTO" Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 04:05:11 GMT Message-ID: <3712c0c8.301271282@smtp.deltanet.com> References: <199904122243.XAA04292@mail2.ip.pt> In-Reply-To: <199904122243.XAA04292@mail2.ip.pt> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] Re: Revui Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ye lundio, 12-ma aprilo 1999, Goncalo Neves skribis: >Suficas havar komput= oro ed imprimilo, ed on povas imprimar libri heme, mem >exemplerope, segun = la ritmo dil komendi. Saluto, Sioro Neves, Voluntez pardonar me, ma quo e= sas 'exemplerope'? Anke, me vidas vua nomo quale 'Goncalo', ma la 'c' hava= s mikra lineo sub ol, ka to esas korekta, o me ne havas la korekta tipofaci= o? - Zeno ---------------------------------------------------------------= --------- eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/list/idolisto Free Web-based = e-mail groups by eGroups.com From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 194 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 19690 invoked by uid 7770); 13 Apr 1999 06:25:34 -0000 Received: from mail2.deltanet.com (199.171.190.56) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 13 Apr 1999 06:25:34 -0000 Received: from ts001d39.lax-ca.concentric.net (ts001d39.lax-ca.concentric.net [206.173.208.51]) by mail2.deltanet.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id XAA25159 for ; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 23:25:29 -0700 (PDT) From: zeno@deltanet.com (Zeno) To: idolisto@egroups.com Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 06:24:51 GMT Message-ID: <3713d3d5.306149191@smtp.deltanet.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] La linguo di Serbia e Kosovo, e la tacozo di Idolisto. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Idolistani, Ka ulu povez dicar a me qui lingui parolesas en Serbia, Kosovo= , Albania? En mea lokala libro-butiko, esas libro, qua esas titulizita "Se= rb-Croat", ma ta libro uzas la alfabeto di Ido, ed ito ne esas to quo me vi= das en la novaji o la telo (o la edificii, tanki, edc.). Vi savas, ke esas= nula mesaji en ica listo pri Kosovo. Pro quo to esas? Ita esas tre impor= tanta temo. Hike en Idolisto, ni havas homi de multa diversa landi, ma ni = ne povas audar lia opinioni. Ni ne mustas konkordar pri omno, se ni esas I= disti. Ni nur mustas konkordar ke Ido esas la plu bona linguo, od adminime= ke Ido esas bona linguo por parolado. Ma Ido ne esas utila se ni ne dicas= ti qui esas en nia intelekti ! - Zeno ----------------------------------= -------------------------------------- eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/= list/idolisto Free Web-based e-mail groups by eGroups.com From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 195 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 10888 invoked by uid 7770); 13 Apr 1999 17:49:57 -0000 Received: from www.minitel.net (HELO gmailint2.globalmail.net) (193.252.91.18) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 13 Apr 1999 17:49:57 -0000 Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 19:49:55 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199904131749.TAA20947@gmailint2.globalmail.net> From: jeanmartignon@minitel.net (JEAN MARTIGNON) Reply-To: jeanmartignon@minitel.net To: idolisto@egroups.com (IDOLISTO) MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] Respondo a Zeno Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Kara cibernauti, Esas tote evidenta ke nia samideano Zeno ne esas Europano, nam lore ilu preferus evitar la temo dil Balkana milito. Me povas dicar ke ica regiono esas tre komplexa e ke ne esas posibla savar ibe qui esas justa o ne. Europa ne esas Usa ube omna esas multe plu simpla ed ube onu savas tre bone to quo es mala e to quo es bona. Relate la linguo, la Serbi e la Kroati prolas la sama idiomo, ma pro ke la Kroati esas Romana katoliki li skribas olu per la alfabeto di Ido e pro ke la Serbi esas ortodoxa katoliki, li skribas ol per la cirila (Rusa) alfabeto. En Kosova, la Albani parolas la Albana e la Serbi parolas la Serba. La Albani maxim ofte esas islamana e la Serbi ortodoxa katoliki, ma esas Albani qui esas Romana katoliki (Fratino Tereza esis Romana katolika Albanino) ed esas anke Albani qui esas ortodoxa katoliki. Kosovo esas la loko ube naskis la Serba naciono, ma til nun pro granda enmigrado dum la Turka tempo e pos la 2ma mondo-milito ol divenis Albana ye 90Forsan en Usa kelkageneracioni pos nun la sud-westo parolos Hispane e la Anglo-Saxoni esos ibe nur mikra minoritato. Ma en Usa, me konjektas, ne existas la shovinista nacionalismo fanatika qua dominacas en la Balkani. La Serbi esas extreme valoroza e kurajoza soldati qui de 1500 yari rezistis sucesoze (mem, se kelkfoye la vinko vartisdum longa tempo) ye quar imperii. La chefi di NATO devabus lektar historio-libri ante bombardigar Serbia. Pro Serbia e la lora federi eruptis la unesma mondo-milito en 1914, e la Europani rimemoras ito kun teroro kande li pensas pri la nuna eventi. Tante plu ke Rusia (mem tre febligita) es favoroza a Serbia (pro ke la Serbi esas Slava ed ortodoxa same kam la Rusi) ed anke - iton onune substrekas - Chinia , nam Usa havas multa enemiki en la mondo, mem inter la homi qui koaktesas esar lua federiti ma qui preferus esar neutra. La milito entraprezata da Usa en ica regiono dil mondo es tre riskoza por omni. Me supozas ke esas tre desfacila intelektar to quon me ja skribis, ma ico esas nur tre neprofunda e tre simpligita analizo. Do, yen la motivo kara s- ro Zeno pro quo la Europani preferas evitar parolar pri ica milito qua esas tre danjeroza enkadre de situeso extreme komplexa ; talgrade ke onu ne esas kapabla intelektarolu satisfacante. Kun kordiala ciberspacala saluti. jeanmartignon@minitel.net ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/list/idolisto Free Web-based e-mail groups by eGroups.com From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 196 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 15608 invoked by uid 7770); 13 Apr 1999 18:54:08 -0000 Received: from spartacus.a2000.nl (HELO smtp2.a2000.nl) (62.108.1.20) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 13 Apr 1999 18:54:08 -0000 Received: from node118d7.a2000.nl ([24.132.24.215] helo=default) by smtp2.a2000.nl with smtp (Exim 2.02 #4) id 10X8K0-0001D0-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 20:54:08 +0200 Message-ID: <009501be85df$ab3dae20$d7188418@default.a2000.nl> From: "Ido-Info" To: "idolisto" Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 20:58:50 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Subject: [ido] La linguo Serbiana, Kosovo e la tacozeso di idolisto Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kar amiki, kar amiko Zeno, Me lektis vua mesajo e povas mencionar a vu ke existas dicionarieto Ido-Serbokroata ed anke Serbokroata-Ido, se vu interesas pri la literi uzata da ta linguo. Oli e komprebla che la GIS (Germana Ido-Societo), la proprietanto di vendisto anke aceptas marki postala de vua lando, se vu serchas maniero di pago. Ma irgamaniere, vu es justa, vu juste konstatis ke la linguo Serbiana (Serbokroata) uzas literi signizita. Anke, pri la menciono di Kosovo e la krizo ibe en ta regiono ja skribis sioro Martignon ed altri anke, ne tro multe, me konfesas, ma tamen, skribita esis. Me ipsa mem tradukis ed enretigis texto pri la "Kordiolando di Serbia", trovebla ye http://www.angelfire.com/id/Avance/kordiolando.html . Me vu deziras savar mea opiniono, me opinionas ke la federiti dil ONAT (Organizuro di la Nord-Atlantika Traktrato) es justa bombardar la guvernerial edifici di la Serbi e protektar la Kosovani. Ma, altralatere, me konkordas la Serbi ke Kosovo es parto di Serbia, e ne esez lando nedependanta. Me nur questionas me, pro quo du populi ne povas vivar ensemble? "Pro quo ne, pro quo ne, pro quo ne..., ni vivas ensemble?" (libera traduko di "Why can't we live together"). Nun en Amsterdam, jus es emisata ye la televiziono registrago di spektaklo kontre la bombardo di Serbia, spektaklo en qua partoprenas multa famoza kantisti Nederlandana. Ma, vere, se nulu facas ulo, quo eventas a la Kosovani? Parolante pri texti pri paco e pacifismo, morge, merkurdio, me iros a spektaklo, o plu precize: muzikalo "Hair", vu probable bone konocas la muzikalo. Kande me esis yuna, me jus faliis ta epoko, esis de generaciono jus ante me. Me ya savas omna kansoni e preske omna texti e sendubite laute kantas kun l' aktori. Saluti amikala, Hans St. ************************************************ absolute vizitez: http://members.tripod.com/~avancigado ************************************************ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/list/idolisto Free Web-based e-mail groups by eGroups.com From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 197 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 22720 invoked by uid 7770); 13 Apr 1999 19:06:40 -0000 Received: from spartacus.a2000.nl (HELO smtp2.a2000.nl) (62.108.1.20) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 13 Apr 1999 19:06:40 -0000 Received: from node118d7.a2000.nl ([24.132.24.215] helo=default) by smtp2.a2000.nl with smtp (Exim 2.02 #4) id 10X8W7-0002Pf-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 21:06:39 +0200 Message-ID: <00a101be85e1$6b532720$d7188418@default.a2000.nl> From: "Ido-Info" To: "idolisto" Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 21:11:22 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Subject: [ido] Revui ed imprimerii, nova editerio Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Kar amiki, Sioro Zeno questionis quo es "exemplerope"? Yen, exempler-op-e. La sufixo -op- signifikas: po, per nombro de. Quarope = per quar: gradope = grado pos grado: do exemplerope = exemplero pos exemplero. La litero � es kreebla per la klavo 'alt' e la nombro 135 dextre di vua klavaro. Sioro Jean Martignon questionis: > Kad, nunatempe, esas posibla imprimigar > tre chipe libreti ? Per quala moyeni e > tekniki ? Me dicas, yes. Che imprimerio "Skonpres" en Polonia. Es imprimerio di Jan Skoniecska, Esperantisto kun simpatio por Ido ed Idisti. On povas skribar en Ido a lu, ma lu respondos Esperante. Ibe me imprimigis mea vortaro Nederlandana-Ido/Ido-Nederlandana. Yen lua adreso: "Skonpres" strado Chlodna 23a Pl. 85-345 Bydgoszcz Polonia Ed altre, efektive per la modo di Gon�alo Neves, fotokopiante, exemplerope. Samatempe me sizas l' okaziono gratular Gon�alo Neves pro sua fondo di editerio Sudo. Me es tre kurioza pri l' edituri di ta editerio e vartas senpaciente. Saluti amikala, Hans St. ************************************************ absolute vizitez: http://members.tripod.com/~avancigado ************************************************ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/list/idolisto Free Web-based e-mail groups by eGroups.com From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 198 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 25544 invoked by uid 7770); 13 Apr 1999 20:57:26 -0000 Received: from mail2.ip.pt (194.79.69.132) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 13 Apr 1999 20:57:26 -0000 Received: from clientec (pm-lx-6-02.net.ip.pt [195.23.96.2]) by mail2.ip.pt with ESMTP id VAA15994 for < idolisto@egroups.com>; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 21:57:26 +0100 (WEST) Message-Id: <199904132057.VAA15994@mail2.ip.pt> Reply-To: From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Gon=E7alo_Neves?=" To: "IDOLISTO" Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 20:55:18 +0200 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] ankore pri Bibliografio di Ido Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Kar amiki, En mea antea mesajo me obliviis dicar lo sequanta: De nun voluntez sendar al kompilinto di "Bibliografio di Ido" (D-ro Tazio Carlevaro, Vialle G. Motta 32, 6500 Bellinzona, Suisia, o tcarleva@tinet.ch) informi pri vua omna edituri futura en o pri Ido, mem se koncernesas broshureti pok-pagina o propagili. La informi elaboresez segun ica modelo: LIBRI: Nomo familial dil autoro, bapto-nomo dil autoro: Titulo. Subtitulo. Apar-loko yaro dil edito: Nomo dil editerio. Nombro de pagini. Yen exemplo: Juste, Andreas: Vitra perli. Originale kompozit en Idolinguo. Gillly 1978: Autoro. 59 p. Se koncernesas tradukuro, on indikez anke la nomo dil tradukero: Mach, Ernst: Filozofiala e naturciencala pensado. Skisal psikologio dil exploro. Trad. da Stefano Bakonyi. Budapest 1917: Kunst�dter. 19 p. PERIODALI: Titulo. Subtitulo. Apar-loko (Red.: Nomo dil redaktero). yaredo (unua numero dil yaredo-lasta numero dil yaredo). Yen exemplo: Letro Internaciona. Jurnaleto transfrontiera. Organo dil stabilista skolo. FR-Savigny sur Orge (Red.: Jean Martignon). 1996 (1-2); 1997 (3-6); 1998 (7-10); 1999 (1-2). Tazio Carlevaro kompilos omna informi por eventuala duesma edito di ca importanta verko. Kun saluto kordial, Gon�alo Neves ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/list/idolisto Free Web-based e-mail groups by eGroups.com From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 199 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 25591 invoked by uid 7770); 13 Apr 1999 20:57:29 -0000 Received: from mail2.ip.pt (194.79.69.132) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 13 Apr 1999 20:57:29 -0000 Received: from clientec (pm-lx-6-02.net.ip.pt [195.23.96.2]) by mail2.ip.pt with ESMTP id VAA16021 for < idolisto@egroups.com>; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 21:57:29 +0100 (WEST) Message-Id: <199904132057.VAA16021@mail2.ip.pt> Reply-To: From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Gon=E7alo_Neves?=" To: "IDOLISTO" Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 21:41:15 +0200 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] Nova alfabeto Esperantal Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Kar amiki, Dum la last-yara Universala Kongreso di Esperanto en Montpellier, Francio , fondesis la asociuro TRENHA ("Tradicia Esperanto, Nova Help-Alfabeto"), qua komencis editar en yanuaro cayara la buletino Trefo, di qua la redaktero es Andr� Albault, ex-prezidero di la Akademio Esperantal. La skopo di ica buletino ed asociuro es propagar nova alfabeto di Esperanto, sen literi chapelizita. Yen la nova literi: ch vice c chapelizita (ch en Ido) sh vice s chapelizita (sh en Ido) j vice g chapelizita (dj en Ido) gh vice j chapelizita (j en Ido) kh vice h chapelizita (ne existas en Ido) u vice u chapelizita en diftongi (u en Ido) w vice u chapelizita en vorti internaciona (w en Ido) Yen Ido justifikata! Itere! La redaktero e prezidero di TRENHA (Andr� Albaut) ne es aprentiso. Il es prestijoza Esperantologo qua abundante verkifis pri la Fundamento di Zamenhof, pri olqua il vere specialigesis. Or la Fundamento di Esperanto es la precipua kolono dil literaro chapelizita... Albaut autoragis anke du tomi pri la land-nomi, altra osto en la guturo di Esperanto. Albaut restis en la Akademio Esperantal til 1998, kande il (same kam me) faliis rielektesar. En letro (skribita nov-alfabete) me dankis lu pro lua sendajo ed adjuntis ke la nova alfabeto, quankam plu bona kam la chapelizita e precipue kam la hororigiva x-surogato uzata en la reto, ne eskartas la kakofoniaji di Esperanto (-ajn, ojn, c^iujn edc) ma nur skribas li altre (-ayn, oyn, chiuyn edc)... Kun saluti kordial, Gon�alo Neves ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/list/idolisto Free Web-based e-mail groups by eGroups.com From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 200 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 27794 invoked by uid 7770); 13 Apr 1999 22:57:24 -0000 Received: from spartacus.a2000.nl (HELO smtp2.a2000.nl) (62.108.1.20) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 13 Apr 1999 22:57:24 -0000 Received: from node118d7.a2000.nl ([24.132.24.215] helo=default) by smtp2.a2000.nl with smtp (Exim 2.02 #4) id 10XBNH-0002hB-01 for idolisto@egroups.com; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 00:09:43 +0200 Message-ID: <00c001be85fa$fef463e0$d7188418@default.a2000.nl> From: "Ido-Info" To: "idolisto" Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 00:13:07 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Subject: [ido] korektigo, Sicilia Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Kar amiko Gon�alo Neves, Danko pro vua deskovrita eroro, me korektigos ol en la sequanta imprimoquanto. La novajo quan vu skribis pri l' Esperantala sercho a plu apta ortografio es tre interesanta. Me savas ke en Nederlando es situata NOVO, anke organizuro Esperantala por revizo dil Esperanto. Ka vu konocas ol? L' informin pri nova edituri me en futuro anke sendos a sioro Tazio Carlevaro. Quankam me publikigas omno en la revui, do segun, la bona lektanto... Es kelke tranquila en l' Idoforumo, ka ne? Me supozas ke multi es laboranta sive por Ido, (traduki), sive private, por revenuo. Ca yaro me decidas vakancar en Sicilia, Italia. Me anke prizas vizitar Napoli, e forsan kelka altra loki. Kad altri havas projeti? Saluti amikala, Hans St. ************************************************ absolute vizitez: http://members.tripod.com/~avancigado ************************************************ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/list/idolisto Free Web-based e-mail groups by eGroups.com From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 201 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 32700 invoked by uid 7770); 14 Apr 1999 04:26:53 -0000 Received: from cgews1.hum.nagoya-cu.ac.jp (202.35.194.1) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 14 Apr 1999 04:26:53 -0000 Received: from [202.35.194.63] ([202.35.194.63]) by cgews1.hum.nagoya-cu.ac.jp (8.9.3/3.7W99022518) with ESMTP id NAA26139 for ; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 13:25:04 +0900 (JST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Macintosh Eudora Pro Version 4.0.1J Message-Id: Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 13:28:59 +0900 To: idolisto@egroups.com From: "MORITA, Akira" Subject: [ido] internacieso? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kara kolegi, La t.n. lexikal internacieso en artificala lingui esas prizata diskut- e disput-temi inter olia susteneri. Kompreninde esas nulo altra kam exajero kompozar frazi prenante arbitriale radiki maxim diferanta ek la posible nombroza nacional lingui ed asertar ita konglomato vere "internaciona". Ma ek tote altra motivi Esperantal kansonisto ^ganfranko molle montras parodio dil Himno "La Espero". Ed yen esas por via juo ilua argumento e la texto ipsa! (Me tradukis lu aden Ido. La parodiita texton me skribis en l'ortografio di IDO.) ^ganfranko: "se vi nultempe esis japoniano e pro to ne povis experiencar quale aspektas la Internacia Linguo che ne-europana oreli, experiencez nun. Omna uzita radiki esas plene naturala, quale povas konstatar konoceri dil araba, rusa, japoniana, suahila e vicina lingui." La taivo En la sveton tokis uya sento tra la sveto nendas kubua voko per tobiloi de anana vento nun de uko tobu ji al uko Ne al sefo krovon hatashanta ji la hitan hikas ugyamaon al la aveto abade tatakanta ji yaksokas avyata chowaon Sur hayada luga firmalaso fahamante unu la tanaan la narodoi fanyos en saglaso unu kubuan krugon ugyamaan Nia mujtahida nakamaro en shigoto mira ne chokijos jis la zura ndoto de l'hitaro por abada her' tekeleijos ---(^ganfranko: Kontakto, edistudio, Pisa, 1979) Me komentos kurte nur pri japoniana vorti. (tob' ek tobu =flugar) hit' ek hito=homo tatak' ek tatakau=bataliar hik' ek hiku=tirar yaksok' ek yak(u)sok(u)=promiso chowa' =harmonio nakam' ek nakama=kolego, kunfrato shigot'o ek shigoto=laboro ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/list/idolisto Free Web-based e-mail groups by eGroups.com From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 202 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 9162 invoked by uid 7770); 14 Apr 1999 18:33:15 -0000 Received: from mout00.kundenserver.de (195.20.224.69) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 14 Apr 1999 18:33:15 -0000 Received: from [195.20.224.67] (helo=mx00.kundenserver.de) by mout00.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 10XUTI-000056-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 20:33:12 +0200 Received: from [212.81.133.167] (helo=www) by mx00.kundenserver.de with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 10XUTH-0007jC-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 20:33:12 +0200 Message-ID: <000301be86a5$47ed1c40$a78551d4@www.fen.baynet.de> From: "Frank Kasper" To: "Idolisto (mesaji)" Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 20:32:14 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Subject: [ido] Re: Recenta prego da Alfred Neussner Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kara amiki! Ante kelka dii nia kara amiko Alfred Neussner sendis mesajo ad "Idolisto" kun inquesto, ka ulu da vi povus tradukar l'insertita texto aden la Franca e l'Angla lingui. Regretinde me kam nuna administrero dil e-postala adreso da nia amiko regardis nula reago. Pro to me voluntas memorigar la prego da Alfred Neussner, ke ulu tradukez lua kurta propago-texto aden la dezirita lingui. Me precipue pregus Jacques Bol od Jean Martignon regardar, ka un de li ne povus facar la Franca e Zeno, ka lu ne povus facar l'Abgla tradukuro e sendar ol a me!! Me predankas a vi! Kun la maxim kordiala ed amikala saluti! Frank Kasper frank.kasper@idolinguo.de ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/list/idolisto Free Web-based e-mail groups by eGroups.com From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 203 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 7397 invoked by uid 7770); 14 Apr 1999 20:18:47 -0000 Received: from mail2.ip.pt (194.79.69.132) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 14 Apr 1999 20:18:47 -0000 Received: from clientec (pm-lx-8-39.net.ip.pt [195.23.96.167]) by mail2.ip.pt with ESMTP id VAA20820 for < idolisto@egroups.com>; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 21:18:53 +0100 (WEST) Message-Id: <199904142018.VAA20820@mail2.ip.pt> Reply-To: From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Gon=E7alo_Neves?=" To: "IDOLISTO" Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 20:52:54 +0200 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] Re: korektigo, Sicilia Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Amiko Hans questionis: >Me savas ke en Nederlando es situata NOVO, anke organizuro >Esperantala por revizo dil Esperanto. Ka vu konocas ol? Me ne konocas ol. La jus fondita TRENHA es sucedanto di AEIOU, altra asociuro kun sideyo en Francia, di qua la chefo esis Yannic Gicquel, ilqua redaktis la 12-pagina buletino "Yes! Sidiju kai taipu!", tote en la nova alfabeto. Ma ni savas ke lia esforci es tote vana... Kun saluto kordial, Gon�alo Neves ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/list/idolisto Free Web-based e-mail groups by eGroups.com From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 204 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 16905 invoked by uid 7770); 15 Apr 1999 12:57:28 -0000 Received: from wya-lfd114.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (207.82.252.178) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 15 Apr 1999 12:57:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 16864 invoked by uid 0); 15 Apr 1999 12:57:28 -0000 Message-ID: <19990415125728.16863.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 206.167.80.240 by wy1lg.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 05:57:26 PDT From: "Martin Lavallee" To: alfred.neussner@01019freenet.de Cc: idolisto@egroups.com Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 05:57:26 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] Internet-vendeyo Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kar siori Alfred Neussner ed Frank Kasper, Malgre mea granda okupateso pro mea studii, yen la tradukuro dezirata: �tampes et timbres sp�ciaux ayant pour th�me les chemins de fer, les pompiers, les langues internationales. Il s'agit de la plus grande offre au monde (aux alentours de 4000 �tampes sur les chemins de fer). Des catalogues ou des offres de listes seront envoy�s avec un versement anticip� de 3 euros. Veuillez mentionner votre champs d'int�r�t pour votre collection! Si vous nous �crivez en la langue internationale Ido, vous recevrez un rabais de 10 pour cent. Info gratuite sur l'ido � http://www.idolinguo.de ou en �crivant � A.Neussner Modellbahn-Hof Burghofen DE-37284 Waldkappel Fax +495656/1812 ______________________________________________________ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/list/idolisto Free Web-based e-mail groups by eGroups.com From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 205 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 17319 invoked by uid 7770); 15 Apr 1999 20:59:34 -0000 Received: from mail2.ip.pt (194.79.69.132) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 15 Apr 1999 20:59:34 -0000 Received: from clientec (pm-lx-4-04.net.ip.pt [195.23.4.68]) by mail2.ip.pt with ESMTP id VAA29858 for < idolisto@egroups.com>; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 21:59:39 +0100 (WEST) Message-Id: <199904152059.VAA29858@mail2.ip.pt> Reply-To: From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Gon=E7alo_Neves?=" To: "IDOLISTO" Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 21:26:36 +0200 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] Per quo Esperantisti perdas sua tempo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Kar amiki, Omni savas ke ula populi prizas mokar altri per facar joki pri li: Franci pri Belgi, Angli pri Skoti edc. Esperantisti rezolvis komencar agar lo pri ni, per tradukar ita malgusta joki e remplasigar la Belgi, Skoti edc per Idisti. La rezulto de tala entraprezo edifikiva povas lektesar sur yena pagino: http://members.aol.com/limako/idsxerc.html On tamen atencez: la stilo Esperantal dil tradukuri es tam leda kam la qualeso dil joki. La pagino ne havas signaturo. Konkluzo: li ankore timas ni, nam on mokas nur lo timata. Kontraston kun lo supera facas yena pagino da Pejno Simono: http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/profcon/e_ido.htm ube la autoro, qua tote ne esas Idisto, regalas ni per prizento pri nia linguo, en tono tote senpartisa, sobra ed informoza. Pejno Simono esas la autoro di Chapelilo, texto-procedigilo qua tandem solvis la problemo di la literi chapelita por uzanti di Windows (olquan il nomas Vindozo...). La problemo rivenis pose, kande on komencis uzar la reto... Kun saluti kordial, Gon�alo Neves ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/list/idolisto Free Web-based e-mail groups by eGroups.com From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 206 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 17335 invoked by uid 7770); 15 Apr 1999 20:59:37 -0000 Received: from mail2.ip.pt (194.79.69.132) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 15 Apr 1999 20:59:37 -0000 Received: from clientec (pm-lx-4-04.net.ip.pt [195.23.4.68]) by mail2.ip.pt with ESMTP id VAA29871 for < idolisto@egroups.com>; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 21:59:42 +0100 (WEST) Message-Id: <199904152059.VAA29871@mail2.ip.pt> Reply-To: From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Gon=E7alo_Neves?=" To: "IDOLISTO" Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 21:43:21 +0200 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] Portugalana texto sur hem-pagino Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Kar amiki, Sur la hem-pagino http://babelfish.altavista.com/cgi-bin/translate? me trovis eroroza texto Portugalana pri Ido. La texto es ne nur eroroza segun la gramatiko Portugalana: ol kontenas mem nepoka vorti Angla mixita kun le Portugalana! L' aranjinto di ita pagino voluntez sendar a me rete la texto, por ke me korektigez e retrosendez ol. Danko. Es tre importanta prizentar propagal texti en linguo nacional senerora e mem, kande posibla, bel-stila. Me esas pronta korektigar altra texti Portugalana qua eventuale trovesas en la reto. Kun saluto kordial, Gon�alo Neves ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/list/idolisto Free Web-based e-mail groups by eGroups.com From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 207 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 25860 invoked by uid 7770); 15 Apr 1999 21:14:20 -0000 Received: from www.minitel.net (HELO gmailint2.globalmail.net) (193.252.91.18) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 15 Apr 1999 21:14:20 -0000 Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 23:14:19 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199904152114.XAA11880@gmailint2.globalmail.net> From: jeanmartignon@minitel.net (JEAN MARTIGNON) To: idolisto@egroups.com (IDOLISTO) Reply-To: jeanmartignon@minitel.net Errors-To: jeanmartignon@minitel.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] Anglisk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Kara cibernauti, Dum telefonala konversado, s-ro Tom Lang dicis a me ke kelka homi vola impulsar nova linguo nomata "anglisk". Ol esas angla linguo kun simpligita pronunco. Kad ulu audis pri "anglisk" e savas to quo ol esas ? Kordiala ciberspacala saluti. jeanmartignon@minitel.net ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/list/idolisto Free Web-based e-mail groups by eGroups.com From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 208 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 30285 invoked by uid 7770); 15 Apr 1999 21:23:14 -0000 Received: from www.minitel.net (HELO gmailint2.globalmail.net) (193.252.91.18) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 15 Apr 1999 21:23:14 -0000 Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 23:23:13 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199904152123.XAA18659@gmailint2.globalmail.net> From: jeanmartignon@minitel.net (JEAN MARTIGNON) To: idolisto@egroups.com (IDOLISTO) Reply-To: jeanmartignon@minitel.net Errors-To: jeanmartignon@minitel.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] IDO-SALUTO Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Kara cibernauti, Icavespere me recevis la maxim recenta numero di "Ido-Saluto". Me gratulas, ol esas ecelanta. Me tre admiris ke s-ro Goncalo Neves, qua esas fresha Idisto, ja es samanivela kam s-ro Neussner un ek nia rara maxim kapabla Idisti. Semblas a me ke ica nunala numero esas aparte interesiva kun tre diversa texti ed informi. Kordiala ciberspacala saluti. jeanmartignon@minitel.net ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/list/idolisto Free Web-based e-mail groups by eGroups.com From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 209 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 299 invoked by uid 7770); 15 Apr 1999 21:28:29 -0000 Received: from www.minitel.net (HELO gmailint2.globalmail.net) (193.252.91.18) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 15 Apr 1999 21:28:29 -0000 Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 23:28:29 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199904152128.XAA24084@gmailint2.globalmail.net> From: jeanmartignon@minitel.net (JEAN MARTIGNON) To: idolisto@egroups.com (IDOLISTO) Reply-To: jeanmartignon@minitel.net (JEAN MARTIGNON) Errors-To: jeanmartignon@minitel.net (JEAN MARTIGNON) MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] [Fwd: IDO-SALUTO] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: jeanmartignon@minitel.net (JEAN MARTIGNON) Reply-To: jeanmartignon@minitel.net Received: from by with HTTP; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 20:25:07 +0200 Message-Id: <19990415202507@minitel.net> To: idolisto@egroups.com (IDOLISTO) Errors-To: jeanmartignon@minitel.net Subject: IDO-SALUTO X-MinitelNet: LU MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Kara cibernauti, Icavespere me recevis la maxim recenta numero di "Ido-Saluto". Me gratulas, ol esas ecelanta. Me tre admiris ke s-ro Goncalo Neves, qua esas fresha Idisto, ja es samanivela kam s-ro Neussner un ek nia rara maxim kapabla Idisti. Semblas a me ke ica nunala numero esas aparte interesiva kun tre diversa texti ed informi. Kordiala ciberspacala saluti. jeanmartignon@minitel.net ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/list/idolisto Free Web-based e-mail groups by eGroups.com From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 210 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 16778 invoked by uid 7770); 16 Apr 1999 10:16:32 -0000 Received: from spartacus.a2000.nl (HELO smtp2.a2000.nl) (62.108.1.20) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 16 Apr 1999 10:16:32 -0000 Received: from node118d7.a2000.nl ([24.132.24.215] helo=default) by smtp2.a2000.nl with smtp (Exim 2.02 #4) id 10Y5fk-000705-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 12:16:32 +0200 Message-ID: <002e01be87f2$dea763e0$d7188418@default.a2000.nl> From: "Ido-Info" To: "idolisto" Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 12:21:16 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Subject: [ido] Internacionaleso segun Janfranko Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Kar amiki, Vivosigno de Amsterdam. Kar amiko Morita Akira, me lektis vua kansono da Janfranko kun plezuro. Me tre prizis la texto quankam me ne komprenas ol. Me prizas l' aspekto di la linguo qua aspektas absolute exotike, ma efektive, on ne povas parolar pri internacionaleso di la vorti. Kar amiko Gon�alo Neves, Me ne kredas ke la proprietanto di la pagino Babelfish es membro di Idolisto, mem dubitas ka lu savas pri l' existo di Ido. Ol es tradukomashino, qua povas esar tre utila. Me probis l' Ido-texto "kordiolando" (me indikis ke esis texto Italiana, Ido ne es selektoposibleso) e vartis la rezulti. Es astonigiva, la mashino tradukas tam multe kam posible, e montras agreabla kaoso de vorti. Ma vu es justa, texti en lingui nacionala (ed internacionala) devus esar prizentata korekte. Se vu deziras, sendez mesajo a la proprietanto (forsan kun Ido-reklamo sub vua mesajo), por savigar a lu vua plendo. Me sempre reaktas ye hemopagini per skribar (en Ido!) a la proprietanti. Parolante pri internacionaleso di vorti, se ni probas un sama texto tradukar per ta mashino, sempre denove prizentanta ol kom linguo altra, lore ni povas deskovrar quante internaciona ol es. Anke existas tradukomashino qua tradukas (simpla) Ido-texti, me obliviis l' adreso, qua ankore havas ol? Saluti amikala, Hans St. ************************************************ absolute vizitez: http://members.tripod.com/~avancigado ************************************************ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/list/idolisto Free Web-based e-mail groups by eGroups.com From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 211 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 7359 invoked by uid 7770); 16 Apr 1999 11:18:51 -0000 Received: from epmsa001.ep.minsk.by (HELO epms3.ep.minsk.by) (194.226.122.227) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 16 Apr 1999 11:18:51 -0000 Received: by epmsa001.ep.minsk.by with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id <27XJWY9A>; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 14:19:41 +0300 Message-ID: <8D76D48EDDD3D211AC3000A0C98212E703A79B@epmsa001.ep.minsk.by> From: "Dmitri P. Laptsionak" To: 'IDOLISTO' Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 14:19:30 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Subject: [ido] Re: Internacionaleso segun Janfranko Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1251" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Saluto ad omni Kara Hans St Yen me kopias la texto pri tradukilo <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Charles anuncis katenringo a Ido-Angla tradukilo, qua lu kreis. Yen la tradukilo! ... http://www.catty.com/~catty/lang/dict.cgi Nun, ol aceptas Ido frazi e donas Angla vorti ek la radiki. - Zeno >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ /\/\/\ Ed yen mea questiono: quale standas la ideo krear listo en USENET? Ka on ankore votas o ni parvotis e obliviis? \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/ \/\/\/ Zmicier Lapcionak ------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/list/idolisto Free Web-based e-mail groups by eGroups.com From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 212 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 13163 invoked by uid 7770); 16 Apr 1999 12:42:21 -0000 Received: from spartacus.a2000.nl (HELO smtp2.a2000.nl) (62.108.1.20) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 16 Apr 1999 12:42:20 -0000 Received: from node118d7.a2000.nl ([24.132.24.215] helo=default) by smtp2.a2000.nl with smtp (Exim 2.02 #4) id 10Y7wp-0002tv-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 14:42:19 +0200 Message-ID: <000b01be8807$3b94aae0$d7188418@default.a2000.nl> From: "Ido-Info" To: "idolisto" Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 14:47:05 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Subject: [ido] Danko Dmitri Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Danko Dmitri, me efacis omna anteriora informo di mea komputoro e perdis informi kande me riinstalis mea programaro. Me quik riprobos l' adreso. Saluti amikala, Hans St. ************************************************ absolute vizitez: http://members.tripod.com/~avancigado ************************************************ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/list/idolisto Free Web-based e-mail groups by eGroups.com From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 213 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 28746 invoked by uid 7770); 16 Apr 1999 14:59:04 -0000 Received: from mail2.ip.pt (194.79.69.132) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 16 Apr 1999 14:59:04 -0000 Received: from ip.pt (aranha.ip.pt [195.23.110.1]) by mail2.ip.pt with SMTP id PAA00403 for ; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 15:59:09 +0100 (WEST) From: "Gon=?ISO-8859-1?B?52Fsbw==?= Neves" Sender: ip260424@ip.pt Reply-to: poedan@ip.pt To: idolisto@egroups.com Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 14:59:02 GMT X-Mailer: DMailWeb Web to Mail Gateway 2.0p, http://netwinsite.com/top_mail.htm Message-id: <37175036.4d6a.0@ip.pt> X-User-Info: 209.198.242.61 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] Pri bona stilo en Ido Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Kar amiki, Samideano Martignon skribis: >Me tre admiris ke s-ro Goncalo N= eves, qua esas fresha >Idisto, ja es samanivela kam s-ro Neussner un ek nia= rara >maxim kapabla Idisti Ica laudo esas misadresizita. Ol devus irar d= irete a la saji Couturat, Beaufront, Jespersen, Ostwald ed altri, e mem a Z= amenhof, qui sucesis regalar la homaro per nia linguo tante bela, utila e k= reigiva. Por atingar bona Ido-stilo me rekomendas lo sequanta: (1) Sorgem= e lektar e studiar la bona autori. Me opinionas yena libri kom nekareebla: = (a) Kompleta Gramatiko Detaloza, da Beaufront. (b) "Ido-English Dictiona= ry", da Dyer. (c) Lekto-libro di Ido (inkluzas noti pri stilo), da Talmey.= Omna libri supera es aquirebla de Ido-Editerio en Skotia. (2) Pensar dir= ete en Ido dum parolar e skribar. To es desfacila, ma extreme importanta. N= ultempe tradukar vorti od expresuri de linguo nacional. (3) Ne komplikar. = La penso esez simpla, por ke anke la expresuro di ita penso (sive parole, s= ive skribe) esez simpla. Lo cetera venos ipse. Kun saluto kordial, Gon= =E7alo Neves ----------------------------------------------------= -------------------- eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/list/idolisto Free= Web-based e-mail groups by eGroups.com From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 214 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 7462 invoked by uid 7770); 16 Apr 1999 15:17:06 -0000 Received: from mail2.ip.pt (194.79.69.132) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 16 Apr 1999 15:17:06 -0000 Received: from ip.pt (aranha.ip.pt [195.23.110.1]) by mail2.ip.pt with SMTP id QAA07674 for ; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 16:17:10 +0100 (WEST) From: "Gon=?ISO-8859-1?B?52Fsbw==?= Neves" Sender: ip260424@ip.pt Reply-to: poedan@ip.pt To: idolisto@egroups.com Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 15:17:03 GMT X-Mailer: DMailWeb Web to Mail Gateway 2.0p, http://netwinsite.com/top_mail.htm Message-id: <3717546f.5752.0@ip.pt> X-User-Info: 209.198.242.60 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] Libro-merkato en Portugal Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Kar amiki, Yen kelka nombri pri la libro-merkato en Portugal ye la fino di= 1997. Forsan li esas interesiva. [Ne obliviez ke koncernesas lando kun 10= milion habitanti.] Editerii: 1.162 Aparinta tituli: 8.331 Mez-valora nomb= ro de exempleri: 3.001 La tituli supera publisesis* en la yena lingui prec= ipua: Portugalane: 63% Angle: 18% France: 10% Hispane: 3% En la restanta = 6% trovesas multa lingui plu "mikra" (inkluzive tri tituli en la turka!) ma= ne Ido... Kun saluto kordial, Gon=E7alo Neves -------------------------= ------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGr= oups.com/list/idolisto Free Web-based e-mail groups by eGroups.com From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 215 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 19689 invoked by uid 7770); 16 Apr 1999 18:29:49 -0000 Received: from epmsa001.ep.minsk.by (HELO epms3.ep.minsk.by) (194.226.122.227) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 16 Apr 1999 18:29:49 -0000 Received: by epmsa001.ep.minsk.by with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id <27XJWZHG>; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 21:30:35 +0300 Message-ID: <8D76D48EDDD3D211AC3000A0C98212E703A79E@epmsa001.ep.minsk.by> From: "Dmitri P. Laptsionak" To: 'IDOLISTO' Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 21:30:32 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Subject: [ido] Interesanta fenomeno Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1251" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yen quala frazon me renkontis lektante dokumentaro (en Angla linguo): "... one or more of this constants OR'ed together ..." ( "... un o plu di ta konstanti ODigita kune ..."). To esas (segun mea savo) gramatike ne justa, ma komprenebla e (por me) tre apta. Ka existas sama fenomeno en altra lingui? Zmicier Lapcionak ------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/list/idolisto Free Web-based e-mail groups by eGroups.com From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 216 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 23826 invoked by uid 7770); 16 Apr 1999 21:44:32 -0000 Received: from mout00.kundenserver.de (195.20.224.69) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 16 Apr 1999 21:44:32 -0000 Received: from [195.20.224.67] (helo=mx00.kundenserver.de) by mout00.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 10YGPY-0008Fu-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 23:44:32 +0200 Received: from [212.81.175.29] (helo=www) by mx00.kundenserver.de with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 10YGPX-0003JU-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 23:44:32 +0200 Message-ID: <004b01be8851$fa141060$1daf51d4@www.fen.baynet.de> From: "Frank Kasper" To: "Idolisto (Mesaji)" Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 23:41:22 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Subject: [ido] Re: Mesaji recevita Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kara amiki! Pos mea retroveno de mea voyajo ad Waldkappel ed Anklam me hodie posdimeze itere devis laborar. Pro to me erste ante kelka minuti povis regardar l'e-postala mesaji recevita dum la recenta hori, ultre altro ti da Goncalo e Hans. Por ke me ya pos kelka hori itere livos Nuernberg por partoprenor en semanofina Esperanto-kunveno ne restas la tempo detaloze respondar la recevita mesaji nun. Me tre esperas, ke me povos reagar e respondar la mesaji recevita en sundio vespere o maxim tarde en lundio. Me pregas via pardono!! Dum mea absenteso atingis me letri da Guenter Anton ed James Chandler. Guenter Anton ya ante dek dii sendis kelka linei a Zeno kun prego, transsendar ol per e-postala mesajo. Me anke erste povos facar lo en sundio vespere od en lundio. James Chandler pregis me salutar vi omni maxim kordiale! Do, me nun deziras a vi omni agreabla semanofino!! Kun la maxim kordiala ed amikala saluti! Frank Kasper frank.kasper@idolinguo.de frank.kasper@idolinguo.de - webmaster@idolinguo.de ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/list/idolisto Free Web-based e-mail groups by eGroups.com From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 217 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 19139 invoked by uid 7770); 17 Apr 1999 06:44:43 -0000 Received: from farida.a2000.nl (HELO smtp1.a2000.nl) (62.108.1.19) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 17 Apr 1999 06:44:43 -0000 Received: from node118d7.a2000.nl ([24.132.24.215] helo=default) by smtp1.a2000.nl with smtp (Exim 2.02 #4) id 10YOqI-00044h-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Sat, 17 Apr 1999 08:44:42 +0200 Message-ID: <000901be889e$722e4d80$d7188418@default.a2000.nl> From: "Ido-Info" To: "idolisto" Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 08:49:31 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Subject: [ido] la fenomeno Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kar amiko Dmitri, Quo es "OR" od (en Ido, segun vua mesajo) "OD"? Dependas de la signifiko ante ke on povas e savas quale verbigar ol, ka ne? Saluti amikala, Hans St. ************************************************ Ido, linguo internaciona, absolute vizitez: http://members.tripod.com/~avancigado ************************************************ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/list/idolisto Free Web-based e-mail groups by eGroups.com From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 218 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 13544 invoked by uid 7770); 17 Apr 1999 08:48:18 -0000 Received: from epmsa001.ep.minsk.by (HELO epms3.ep.minsk.by) (194.226.122.227) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 17 Apr 1999 08:48:18 -0000 Received: by epmsa001.ep.minsk.by with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id <27XJWZTM>; Sat, 17 Apr 1999 11:49:09 +0300 Message-ID: <8D76D48EDDD3D211AC3000A0C98212E703A79F@epmsa001.ep.minsk.by> From: "Dmitri P. Laptsionak" To: 'IDOLISTO' Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 11:49:05 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Subject: [ido] Re: Interesanta fenomeno] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Saluti kara ido-lektanti Me pregas pardono, me expresis la fenomeno ne tre klare. Do ankor-foye Yen quala frazon me renkontis lektante dokumentaro (en Angla linguo): "... one or more of this constants OR'ed together ..." ( "... un o plu di ta konstanti ODigita kune ..."). To signifas: existas kelka konstanti (POR_LEKTAR, POR_SKRIBAR, POR_KREAR, ...), qui esas fakte ula nombri (1, 2, 4, ...). On povas uzar en programala (komputila) lingui ta konstanti vice la nombri por facar kodexo plu lektebla. Ma on povas anke uzar ilua kombinaji facita per operatoro "OD". E ni recevos nova konstanti "POR_LEKTAR OD POR_SKRIBAR", ... Do la resulto esas: "... un o plu di ta konstanti ODigita kune ...". En la angla linguo on uzis frazo "konstanti ODigita kune" vice la frazo "konstanti kunligigita per operatoro OD". Quale en konstruktita lingui. Forsan la fenomeno ne esas generala, ma nur en jargoni or specala (profesionala) lingui. Ka ulu remarkis irgo simila en altra naturala lingui? Zmicier ------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/list/idolisto Free Web-based e-mail groups by eGroups.com From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 219 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 7457 invoked by uid 7770); 17 Apr 1999 18:32:18 -0000 Received: from www.minitel.net (HELO gmailint2.globalmail.net) (193.252.91.18) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 17 Apr 1999 18:32:18 -0000 Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 20:32:18 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199904171832.UAA18294@gmailint2.globalmail.net> From: jeanmartignon@minitel.net (JEAN MARTIGNON) Reply-To: jeanmartignon@minitel.net To: idolisto@egroups.com (IDOLISTO) MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] Radotaji Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Kara cibernauti, Me riuzas la expresuro di Hans, kande ilu asertis ke esus plu bona skribar radotaji kam sendar nula mesajo. Nun nia forumo es tro vakua. Nune, me audas che televiziono reportajo pri Brazil. Brazil esas lando tre kosmopolita ube Espo havas certena suceso , precipue pro ke la spiritista movado tre forta en ica lando tre rekomendas la lernado di Espo kom linguo di homala frateso . Regretinde en Brazil, ne plus esas, o ne ja esas, Idisti. Forsan ni povus agar taskope. Ne tre longe ante nun me recevis mesajo de Brazilano qua demandis a me informi pri Ido. Pro ke me vakancis, me ne povis respondar quik; me tamen, retroveninte heme, sendis mesajo ad il kun la dezirata informi. Ma, til nun, me ne recevis altra mesajo. Forsan nia samideano Goncalo Neves qua esas samlinguano dil Brazilano povus relateskar kun il. Me pensas serioze redaktar libreto en Ido e propozar a nia editerio Sudo imprimar olu. Me ne esas tre grand autoro, ma me kredas ke esas plu bona ulo mem tre modesta kam nulo. Ito esus por l'Idisti la posibleso lektar nova libro. Nunatempe me lektas libri pri Grekia, nam me tre atraktesas da ica lando ed olua kulturo e linguo. Me tre regretas ke me ne esas tre dotita pri lingui, nam me volunte lernus la Greka qua havas tre bela skribo-maniero ed esas tre harmonioza. Regretinde, quankam la moderna linguo esas plu simpla kam la anciena, ol restas tre desfacile lernebla. E, de longa tempo, esas nulu Idisto en Grekia. Quale ni povus kaptar kelka ek li ? Forsan, se ni povus havar linko* kun TTT-eyi pri laortodoxa religio. Ito devus existar edesar posibla. Fino dil hodiala radotaji... Kordiala ciberspacala saluti. jeanmartignon@minitel.net ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/list/idolisto Free Web-based e-mail groups by eGroups.com From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 220 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 18169 invoked by uid 7770); 17 Apr 1999 21:46:52 -0000 Received: from farida.a2000.nl (HELO smtp1.a2000.nl) (62.108.1.19) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 17 Apr 1999 21:46:52 -0000 Received: from node118d7.a2000.nl ([24.132.24.215] helo=default) by smtp1.a2000.nl with smtp (Exim 2.02 #4) id 10YcvL-0004So-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Sat, 17 Apr 1999 23:46:51 +0200 Message-ID: <001e01be891c$7b8ed380$d7188418@default.a2000.nl> From: "Ido-Info" To: "idolisto" Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 23:51:42 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Subject: [ido] stilo e la Greki Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Kar amiki, Me dankas sioro Gon�alo Neves, pro sua ecelanta expliko pro quo il tante bone savas l' Ido. Me tote konkordas omna lua konsili e metodi, precipue numero du: "Pensar direte en Ido dum parolar e skribar." Ofte me es pensante, kantante e parolante (maxim ofte a me ipsa, pro ke nulu komprenas mea babiletado). Ma en la muzeo, ube me laboras, me renkontras multa turisti, de qui multi ne parolas l' Angla, Nederlandana o Germana. Lore, pro ke li tamen ne komprenas me, me nur parolas en Ido, ed ofte kun surpriziganta rezulti, la homi me komprenas. Forsan ne literale, ma tamen li rikonocas kelka vorti, maxim ofte sat suficanta por komprenar mea intenci. Me konfesas, me anke gestas multe. Gesti anke es linguo aparta, ka ne? Kar amiko Jean Martignon, Me pensis ke l' unesma Greko Idista ja trovesas inter la membraro di Idolisto. Ka nia amiko sioro Jorge Kantaros es de Grekia? Saluti amikala, Hans St. ************************************************ Ido, linguo internaciona, absolute vizitez: http://members.tripod.com/~avancigado ************************************************ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/list/idolisto Free Web-based e-mail groups by eGroups.com From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 221 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 6302 invoked by uid 7770); 18 Apr 1999 02:02:15 -0000 Received: from mail2.ip.pt (194.79.69.132) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 18 Apr 1999 02:02:15 -0000 Received: from clientec (pm-lx-8-52.net.ip.pt [195.23.96.180]) by mail2.ip.pt with ESMTP id DAA03341 for < idolisto@egroups.com>; Sun, 18 Apr 1999 03:02:13 +0100 (WEST) Message-Id: <199904180202.DAA03341@mail2.ip.pt> Reply-To: From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Gon=E7alo_Neves?=" To: "IDOLISTO" Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 02:21:28 +0200 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] Pri Ido en Brazil Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Kar amiko Jean Martignon, > Regretinde en Brazil, ne plus esas, o > ne ja esas, Idisti. En Brazil esis granda Idisto: Francisco Valdomiro Lorez (1872-1957). Il naskis en Chekia ma vivis en Brazil de pos 1893. Lorenz esis vera fenomeno lingual. Evante 17 yari (1889) il ja konocis multa lingui moderna e klasika. Lore il skribis docolibro pri la Rusa, tradukis de la Hebrea, studieskis la linguo dil cigani ed interesesis pri la sanskrita. Pos arivir en Brazil (1893), il examenesis en 12 lingui, inkluzive kelki oriental, ed ante sua morto (1957) il konocis rekorda nombro de lingui: 104, segun tri testi. Yen epizodo eventinta en 1929, dum exameno statal pri lingui. Lorenz astonis la asistanti per sua konoci pri la Latina, Araba, Greka ed mult altri. Pos Franca parolo dal examenero, Lorenz respondis France e divinis pro la pronunco de qua urbo devenas la examenero. Ica questionis lu: "Ka vu parolas plusa lingui?" Lorenz: "Yes, kelki. Me komprenas e skribas kinadek e du, e me esforcas perfekteskar en la lingui dil Mayai, Azteki e Nord-Amerikani." Lore la examenero venigis Japono, doktoro Nemoto. Pos kurta konverso kun Lorenz la Japono informis ke lua interparolanto vere savas la Japona, nam lu mem remarkis ke il (la Japono) parolas ne la dialekto de Tokio ma olta de Jokohamo! Komprenende tala homo ne faliabus interesesar pri lingui internaciona. En 1887 il konoceskis Volap�k, komencis korespondar (15-yara!) kun Schleyer e tradukar poemi Chekiana en la jus lernita linguo. Schleyer honorizis la yuno per diplomo "Poedan" (=poeto). Il divenis lore la 14-esma "poedan" (1889). En 1889 il lerneskis Esperanto e divenis pioniro di ta linguo en Brazil. Pose il divenis Idisto. En 1913 Lorenz publisis "Gramatica completa da lingua internacional Ido" e "Vortareto Ido-Portugalana" (qui mencionesas en la recenta "Bibliografio di Ido" da Carlevaro). En 1914 il redaktis la revuo "Astro Idista", ma nur un numero aparis (anke mencionita en la verko da Carlevaro). Pose il lernis altra projeti (Antido, Nov-Esperanto, Esperanta, Lange Bleu) ed ipsa elaboris un (Mundial, 1930) ante revenir definitive ad Esperanto. Ultre lingui il okupesis pri mult altra kozi, inkluzive spiritismo. Interesiva homo, ka ne? Semblas ke nun en Brazil ne existas movemento Idal ma ne mankas Idisti. Amiko di me (Esperantisto) renkontris lastyare en kongreso (pri spiritismo!) Brazilano qua bone parolas Esperanto ed Ido. > Ne tre longe ante nun me recevis mesajo de Brazilano qua >demandis a me informi pri Ido. Forsan nia samideano Goncalo Neves qua esas >samlinguano dil Brazilano povus relateskar kun il. Volunte. Donez a me lua adreso e me kontaktos il. Editerio Sudo nun prontigas 4-pagina informilo pri Ido en la Portugalana. > Me pensas serioze redaktar libreto en Ido e propozar a nia editerio Sudo > imprimar olu. Volunte. Kande ol esos pronta, sendez ol a me. Kun saluto kordial, Goncalo Neves ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/list/idolisto Free Web-based e-mail groups by eGroups.com From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 222 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 22307 invoked by uid 7770); 18 Apr 1999 09:13:41 -0000 Received: from cgews1.hum.nagoya-cu.ac.jp (202.35.194.1) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 18 Apr 1999 09:13:41 -0000 Received: from [202.35.194.63] ([202.35.194.63]) by cgews1.hum.nagoya-cu.ac.jp (8.9.3/3.7W99022518) with ESMTP id SAA02232 for ; Sun, 18 Apr 1999 18:11:47 +0900 (JST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Macintosh Eudora Pro Version 4.0.1J Message-Id: Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 18:15:58 +0900 To: idolisto@egroups.com From: "MORITA, Akira" Subject: [ido] nova alfabeto por Esperanto Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-2022-JP" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ante kelka dii me sendis la sequanta mesajo erore al ido-info vice a nia komunal Idolisto. (Sro Stuifbergen, pardonez me pro mea atenco-manko). Kara Idolistani, L' informo pri l'alternativa alfabeto por Esperanto interesas me. Ma me savis poke pri TRENHA. Semblas ke on propozas nun kelkete modifikita sistemo kam ta por qua la grupo cirkum Sro Albault argmentis olim en sua libro titulita "Unversala skribo". Me ipsa praktikas ica prototipala help-alfabeto en la korespondado kun la Esperantal instituci (UEA, eventoj e.c.). Naturale on komprenas me senprobleme ma me recevis til nun nula mesaji qua profitas la nova alfabeto. Saluti! Akira MORITA MORITA, Akira $B!!!J?9ED!!L@!K(B morita@hum.nagoya-cu.ac.jp ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/list/idolisto Free Web-based e-mail groups by eGroups.com From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 223 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 6463 invoked by uid 7770); 18 Apr 1999 16:53:59 -0000 Received: from mout00.kundenserver.de (195.20.224.69) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 18 Apr 1999 16:53:59 -0000 Received: from [195.20.224.67] (helo=mx00.kundenserver.de) by mout00.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 10YupS-0001GO-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Sun, 18 Apr 1999 18:53:58 +0200 Received: from [212.81.175.103] (helo=www) by mx00.kundenserver.de with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 10YupP-0006Y4-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Sun, 18 Apr 1999 18:53:56 +0200 Message-ID: <000101be89bb$b3f4b100$67af51d4@www.fen.baynet.de> From: "Frank Kasper" To: "Idolisto (Mesaji)" Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 17:44:20 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Subject: [ido] Re: Mesajo de la prezuidanto dil ULI a samideano Zeno Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1251" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Guenter Anton, prezidanto dil ULI, Bernhard-Kellermann-Str. 6k D-06366 KOETHEN/ Anh. GERMANIA 5ma aprilo 99 A samideano Zeno Kara samideano Zeno, me respondizas a vua e-letro, quan vu sendis per e-posto e quan me re- cevis per sdo. Frank Kasper. Me joyis ke vu skribis direte a me ed ante omno ke vu divenis membro dil ULI. Ja kelkafoye me lektis vua kontributi a la diskut- ado en la interreto sur la pagini dil Ido-listo. Me joyas pri vua aktiveso. Semblas a me ke vu esas un dil maxim aktiva membri dil Ido-rondo en la interreto e me dankas a vu pro lo en la nomo dil Direktanta Komitato dil Ido-Uniono. Regretinde me povas nur poke partoprenar en la diskuti dil Ido- rondo en la interreto pro diversa kauzi: Unesme me ne disponas pri komputoro, me bezonas la helpo dil samideano Frank Kasper, qua reprezentas la Germana Ido-Societo en la interreto e samtempe la prezidanto dil ULI. Do me ne povas direte kontaktar kun la membri dil Ido-listo. Duesme advere me esas anke tre okupata en Ido-aferi, ma anke en diversa altra aferi. Tamen per Frank me esas en kontakto kun la Ido-listo e sendas de tempo a tempo mea mesaji a vi. Ne kredez ke la DK dil ULI ne prizas alte via agado en la interreto. Ni savas ke en nia moderna tempo efikiva agado di nia move- mento ne esas posibla sen la interreto. La duimo dil komitatani direte uzas la reto, ma generale la komitatani grandaparte esas tre okupata en Ido-aferi anke extere dil reto. Do, ni deliberas prob- lemi di nia movemento e probas trovar solvuri, ni propagas nia lin- guo per anunci en jurnali e revui, skribas propagili e forsendas li e laboras kun novici, helpas a li lernar nia linguo e trovar korespondemi. Ni editas nia revui PROGRESO ed IDO-SALUTO, quo ne funcionas sen problemi. Ni skribas artikli ed okupas pri la linguala laboro e pri Ido-literaturo. Omnaloke problemi esas solvenda, pro ke ni esas nenombroza movemento e nia oldi divenis pasiva. Me ipsa havas vasta korespondo kun Idisti e kelk adheranti di altra interlinguala sistemi. Kelkafoye samideani timas ke la movemento dormas e ke altri esas tro pasiva, ecepte la interretani. Vere,lo ne esas tale. Anke extere de la reto Idisti esas aktiva, ma advere ni esas tro poka aktivi. Quale me mencionis, old Idisti divenis pasiva o mortis, e ni tro poke sucesis ganar yun kunlukteri en la pasinteso. Ni anke havas samideani qua esis tre aktiva dum multa yari, ma pro personala problemi prezente ne povas esar tre aktiva. Ni mustas aceptar lo. Ni devus komprenar la problemi di samideani e ne kritikar li pro mankanta aktiveso. Kelka aktivi kredas ke li sole esas aktiva por Ido, pro ke li ne savas, quon facas altri. Omnakaze la membri dil Idolisto prezente forte kontributas a la progreso di nia movemento, e ni esas tre kontenta pro lo. Me persone tre joyus, se me povus persone konoceskar vu ed altra membri dil listo dum nia cayara o dum venonta Ido-renkontro internaciona. Maxim kordiale G. Anton guenter.anton@idolinguo.de Ica mesajo transsdendedsis ad Idolisto da Frank Kasper frank.kasper@idolinguo.de - webmaster@idolinguo.de ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/list/idolisto Free Web-based e-mail groups by eGroups.com From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 224 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 22367 invoked by uid 7770); 18 Apr 1999 21:19:44 -0000 Received: from spartacus.a2000.nl (HELO smtp2.a2000.nl) (62.108.1.20) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 18 Apr 1999 21:19:44 -0000 Received: from node118d7.a2000.nl ([24.132.24.215] helo=default) by smtp2.a2000.nl with smtp (Exim 2.02 #4) id 10Yyya-0000Xh-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Sun, 18 Apr 1999 23:19:40 +0200 Message-ID: <001c01be89e1$da3c89c0$d7188418@default.a2000.nl> From: "Ido-Info" To: "idolisto" Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 23:24:32 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Subject: [ido] Kompleta Gramatiko Detaloza Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kar amiki, Me esis spektinta la pagini di Zeno de Kompleta Gramatiko Detaloza da de Beaufront. Per hazardo me trovis oli. Me devas dicar lo: es grandioza laboro quan il facis/as. Me gratulas vu, kar amiko Zeno, mea sincera komplimenti! Ido-interesato hike en Nederlando, qua relatis muliero Braziliana, kredas ke Ido es tre apta por la Braziliani, pro ke il opinionas Ido maxim facila por Portugalana-parolanti, pro multa similesi, precipue segun pronunco. Me ne savas pri to. Quale interesigar li? Ka forsan per kansono en Ido por l' Europana Festivalo di la Kansono? Saluti amikala, Hans St. ************************************************ Ido, linguo internaciona, absolute vizitez: http://members.tripod.com/~avancigado ************************************************ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/list/idolisto Free Web-based e-mail groups by eGroups.com From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 225 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 23939 invoked by uid 7770); 18 Apr 1999 22:45:43 -0000 Received: from smtp05.wxs.nl (195.121.6.57) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 18 Apr 1999 22:45:43 -0000 Received: from pc ([195.121.77.109]) by smtp05.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with SMTP id AAA140C for ; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 00:45:42 +0200 Message-ID: <000701be89ed$0226bc20$6d4d79c3@pc> From: "Eric Dickens" To: "idolisto" Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 00:44:22 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Subject: [ido] dickens skribos Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit 19 aprilo 1999 Kar amiki, Me skribos ankore. Ma me havas multa laboro. Tamen, me esas skribanta artiklo pri Ido en Estona. On devas esforcar. Saluti, Eric Dickens ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/list/idolisto Free Web-based e-mail groups by eGroups.com From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 226 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 12815 invoked by uid 7770); 18 Apr 1999 23:41:23 -0000 Received: from mail2.ip.pt (194.79.69.132) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 18 Apr 1999 23:41:23 -0000 Received: from clientec (pm-lx-9-10.net.ip.pt [195.23.96.202]) by mail2.ip.pt with ESMTP id AAA09957 for < idolisto@egroups.com>; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 00:41:20 +0100 (WEST) Message-Id: <199904182341.AAA09957@mail2.ip.pt> Reply-To: From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Gon=E7alo_Neves?=" To: "IDOLISTO" Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 00:24:37 +0200 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] Questiono zoologial Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Kar amiki, Ka vi konocas la mamifero qua Esperante nomesas "mungoto" (Lat. Herpestes ichneumon)? La Portugalana nomo es "saca-rabo(s)" o "mangu�o". Ol tre similesas la jineto ma es grizatra e plu spindelo-forma. Ka vu povas savigar da me la DEFIRS-nomi: D: E: F: I: R: S: Predanko pro vua helpo. Kun saluto kordial, Gon�alo Neves ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/list/idolisto Free Web-based e-mail groups by eGroups.com From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 227 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 29414 invoked by uid 7770); 19 Apr 1999 07:26:03 -0000 Received: from lince.lander.es (195.76.46.35) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 19 Apr 1999 07:26:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 13744 invoked from network); 19 Apr 1999 07:25:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ppp-47-250.lander.es) (195.76.47.250) by lince.lander.es with SMTP; 19 Apr 1999 07:25:50 -0000 X-Sender: joser@lince.lander.es X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 2 (High) To: idolisto@egroups.com From: "j.m.rodriguez" Subject: [ido] Questiono zoologial Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Estimat Amiko GON=C7ALO: La mamifero qua latine nomesas HERPESTES aparas e= n DYER (pagino 213) kom MANGUSTO. Se Tu vol konocar la nomo di ta animalo= en la hispana, ol es Mangosta. Recevez kordial saluti de Hispania. Jose = Maria Rodriguez Hernandez joser@lander.es -------------------------------= ------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.c= om/list/idolisto Free Web-based e-mail groups by eGroups.com From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 228 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 23726 invoked by uid 7770); 19 Apr 1999 08:39:00 -0000 Received: from farida.a2000.nl (HELO smtp1.a2000.nl) (62.108.1.19) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 19 Apr 1999 08:39:00 -0000 Received: from node118d7.a2000.nl ([24.132.24.215] helo=default) by smtp1.a2000.nl with smtp (Exim 2.02 #4) id 10Z9Zz-0002jj-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 10:38:59 +0200 Message-ID: <000701be8a40$c170fca0$d7188418@default.a2000.nl> From: "Ido-Info" To: "idolisto" Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 10:43:53 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Subject: [ido] mangusto Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ha, amiki, Nulatempe ante me audis pri tal animalo. Stranje. Ma es interesanta savar ke on sempre lernas, anke per l' Idoforumo. Irgaquale, la vorto Nederlandana por mangusto es 'mungo' o 'slangendoder', ta lasta signifikas literale 'serpent-ocidero'. Ma honeste, omna ta nomi ne dicas ulo a me, me ne povas imaginar qua animalo koncernas. Saluti amikala, Hans St. ************************************************ Ido, linguo internaciona, absolute vizitez: http://members.tripod.com/~avancigado ************************************************ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/list/idolisto Free Web-based e-mail groups by eGroups.com From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 229 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 29372 invoked by uid 7770); 19 Apr 1999 19:51:58 -0000 Received: from mout00.kundenserver.de (195.20.224.69) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 19 Apr 1999 19:51:58 -0000 Received: from [195.20.224.67] (helo=mx00.kundenserver.de) by mout00.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 10ZK5F-00062A-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 21:51:57 +0200 Received: from [212.81.170.78] (helo=www) by mx00.kundenserver.de with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 10ZK5E-0003Vf-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 21:51:56 +0200 Message-ID: <000301be8a9d$b962a1a0$4eaa51d4@www.fen.baynet.de> From: "Frank Kasper" To: "Idolisto (Mesaji)" Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 21:47:50 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Subject: [ido] Re: Babil-buxo che nia forumo Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kara amiki! Hodie me kun grandega plezuro povas saveskigar vi, ke depos kelka dii existas babil-buxo che nia Ido-forumo "Idolisto" automate instalita da la servo "egroups". Ica babil-buxo komence esas test-versiono, ma ol funcionas bone. Me cavespere sucesoze testis ol komune kun Hans. Ca babil-buxo (en l'Angla nomesas "Chat-Room") ofras ad Idolistani konektanta kun l'interreto dum la sama tempo la posibleso direte interkomunikar od interbabilar enskribante lia komenti aden la babil-buxo e l'altri quik povas respondar per la sama metodo. Me invitas vi omni uzar ta nova posibleso ed interbabilar cavoye kun altri, qui samtempe situesos en la babil-buxo. Yen kurta instruado, quale on atingas nia babil-buxo: Voluntez unesme irar a http://www.egroups.com Ye la sequanta fenestro insertez vua registrita che "Idolisto" e-postala adreso e pasvorto, quan vu ya selektis ante ke vu povis votar por la kreado de novajgrupi che "Usenet". Se vu ne eskartis la "Cookie", quan la servo insertis a vua komputoro dum vua unesma vizito che "Idolisto" vu ne bezonos insertar vua pasvorto, ma lore vu quik atingas la sequanta fenestro. Ibe vu trovos lineo kun la nomo "idolisto" e la nombro de membri, qui ya vizitis la babil-buxo. Kliktez sur ta nombro e vartez, til ke la fenestro kun la babil-buxo tote aperteskos. Infre de ta fenestro vu fine trovos un granda e du mikra fenestri. En la granda fenestro vu povos lektar la enskribota dum ta tempo komenti. Ye la supra mikra fenestro vu povos regardar, qua samtempe kun vu esas en la babil-buxo ed en la subra fenestro vu trovos vua propra nomo. Sub la granda fenestro vu povos selektar la koloro de vua enskribaji exemple "blua" o "reda". Ibe vu anke trovas fenestreto avan la vorto "Send". Aden ca fenestro enskribez vua komento e kliktez sur "Send". pos kurta momento vua komento esos lektebla en la granda fenestro e la kunbabilanti samtempe lektos ol ibe e vu povos vartar la reagi, qua quik anke esos lektebla ibe. Se vu selektos nova koloro lore la Angla nomo dil koloro automate esos lektebla en la fenestreto e vu nur devos kliktar sur "Send" sen enskribar ankore ula. Pose vu itere povos enskribar vua komenti, qua pos kliktar sur "Send" aparos en la granda fenestro en la selektita da vu koloro. Se vu ne selektas koloro lore vua texti aparos nigrakolore. Se vu volas livar la babil-buxo voluntez insertar kurta frazo por adiar, por ke l'altri savos, ke vu ne plus esos en la buxo. Do, me nun deziras a vi omni multa plezuro en nia nova babil-buxo! Kun la maxim kordiala ed amikala saluti Frank Kasper frank.kasper@idolinguo.de - webmaster@idolinguo.de ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/list/idolisto Free Web-based e-mail groups by eGroups.com From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 230 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 5455 invoked by uid 7770); 19 Apr 1999 21:54:29 -0000 Received: from mail2.ip.pt (194.79.69.132) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 19 Apr 1999 21:54:29 -0000 Received: from clientec (pm-lx-3-60.net.ip.pt [195.23.4.60]) by mail2.ip.pt with ESMTP id WAA29259 for < idolisto@egroups.com>; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 22:54:36 +0100 (WEST) Message-Id: <199904192154.WAA29259@mail2.ip.pt> Reply-To: From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Gon=E7alo_Neves?=" To: "IDOLISTO" Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 22:28:41 +0200 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] Pri mangusto Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Kar amiko Jose Maria, Danko pro tua preciza informo pri la serchata mamifero. Pose me serchis plu bone en dicionarii Portugalana e deskovris ke ica bestio en la Portugalana havas plura nomi ultre olta quan me konocis ("saca-rabo"), e ke uzesas anke la nomo "mangusto" en ita linguo. Kar amiko Hans, Mangusti es bestii tre interesiva. Lastsundie me vidis du en klozeyo di famoza gareno Portugalana quan me vizitis kun mea familio. Pri li me skribos artiklo por "Ido-Saluto!" Kun saluto kordial, Gon�alo Neves ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/list/idolisto Free Web-based e-mail groups by eGroups.com From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 231 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 5764 invoked by uid 7770); 20 Apr 1999 06:04:09 -0000 Received: from www.minitel.net (HELO gmailint1.globalmail.net) (193.252.91.17) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 20 Apr 1999 06:04:09 -0000 Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 08:04:07 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199904200604.IAA11291@gmailint1.globalmail.net> From: jeanmartignon@minitel.net (JEAN MARTIGNON) Reply-To: jeanmartignon@minitel.net (JEAN MARTIGNON) To: idolisto@egroups.com (IDOLISTO) MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] [Fwd: Zoologial nomo] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: jeanmartignon@minitel.net (JEAN MARTIGNON) Reply-To: jeanmartignon@minitel.net Received: from by with HTTP; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 19:44:49 +0200 Message-Id: <19990419194449@minitel.net> To: idolisto@egroups.com (IDOLISTO) Errors-To: jeanmartignon@minitel.net Subject: Zoologial nomo X-MinitelNet: LU MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Kara samideano, Me supozas ke ita animalo esas mangusto, do en la Franca : mangouste, tote simple. Mankas a la Franca la dezinenco - o remplasata per la min bela e sonora, talenomizita muta -e. kordiala saluti. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/list/idolisto Free Web-based e-mail groups by eGroups.com From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 232 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 26942 invoked by uid 7770); 20 Apr 1999 18:35:13 -0000 Received: from web1.rocketmail.com (205.180.57.67) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 20 Apr 1999 18:35:13 -0000 Message-ID: <19990420181846.17487.rocketmail@web1.rocketmail.com> Received: from [206.167.80.240] by web1; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 11:18:46 PDT Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 11:18:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Lavalea Marteno To: idolisto@egroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] Kelk kozi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kar amiki, Me prizus savar kande eventos la venonta elekti dil Direktanta Komitato. Me til nun ne recevis irga votilo. Me maxim plezure recevis Ido-Saluto! e gratulas sioro Hans Stuifbergen pro ilua grava laboro. La artikli pri Afrika ed India esas tre interesiva e me joyas ke afrikani uzez Ido en la revui. La aparo di nova autori ek diferanta kontinenti esas bonega kozo: Me maxim sincere dankas siori Ulf Wiman, Eric Dickens, Bebson Y. Takata, Fran�ois Hounsounou, Gon�alo Neves, Carlo Nardini pro lia gravega kontributo ad la richigo dil linguo internaciona per la bonega juveli quin li donacis en Ido-Saluto!. Fine, la korespondal pagino certe felicigos nia skribema amiko Frank Kasper. Pri la nova revuo Afrikana Veko en Ido, me nur povas expresar mea grandega joyo e gratitudo koram ica novajo astoniva. Me rekomendas ad omni skribar ad sioro Fran�ois Housounou por recevar ol. Hodie esas bahaa festo, do me mustos cesar interretumar. Maxim amike vin salutas Martin ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/list/idolisto Free Web-based e-mail groups by eGroups.com From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 233 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 12653 invoked by uid 7770); 20 Apr 1999 19:56:54 -0000 Received: from out0.mx.skynet.be (195.238.2.35) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 20 Apr 1999 19:56:54 -0000 Received: from login.skynet.be (dialup33.wavre.skynet.be [195.238.10.33]) by out0.mx.skynet.be (8.9.3/odie-relay-v1.0) with ESMTP id VAA29385 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 21:56:36 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199904201956.VAA29385@out0.mx.skynet.be> Reply-To: From: "BOL Jacques" To: "idolisto" Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 00:43:29 +0200 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] Diversaji Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Wavre, 20.04.99 1� a MARTIN LAVALLEE ed ad omni; VOTILI por la nova Direktanta Komitato; la sekretario di ULI, David Weston promisis sendar a me tre balde ta votili qui esos insertata en la n�316 di PROGRESO (qua esos dissendata en julio) 2� BRAZILIA; dum la 80a yari, me korespondis kun braziliano qua semblis esar la sola braziliano interesata da Ido, Profesoro Rui.R Mariano,rua Tiradentes,812, Centro, 37130 Alfenas(Est.de Minas Gerais); unesme me skribis en Ido ma il sempre respondis en portugala e fine demandis a me skribar en franca quan il prizis multe prefere kam en Ido; il judikis ke Interlingua esis plu apta por la braziliani kom linguo internaciona; lua korespondajo en portugala (quan me komprenas facile) esis tre interesiva; il explikis mem a me omna subtilaji di la braziliana uzo di la portugala ma absorbata da mea Ido-laboro, me regretinde devis interruptar ta relato; lu esas la sola braziliano interesata !!!da Ido quan on konocas depos 1979, kande la lora prezidanto Jacob demandis a me studiar l'adresaro por Progreso. Jacques Bol. Wavre, Belgia. Jacques Bol jbol@skynet.be ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/list/idolisto Free Web-based e-mail groups by eGroups.com From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 234 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 25627 invoked by uid 7770); 20 Apr 1999 21:11:21 -0000 Received: from spartacus.a2000.nl (HELO smtp2.a2000.nl) (62.108.1.20) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 20 Apr 1999 21:11:21 -0000 Received: from node118d7.a2000.nl ([24.132.24.215] helo=default) by smtp2.a2000.nl with smtp (Exim 2.02 #4) id 10ZhnU-0003FD-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 23:11:12 +0200 Message-ID: <000701be8b73$024c3040$d7188418@default.a2000.nl> From: "Ido-Info" To: "idolisto" Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 23:16:08 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Subject: [ido] mangusto, mono-relo Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Kar amiko Gon�alo Neves, ed altri, Me tre avide vartas vua artiklo pri la mangusto. Voluntez, anke inkluzar, se posible, imajo del animalo, por ke ni savas quale ol aspektas. Me jus finis mea docado a Jo, qua tradukis Ido-letro por me. Morge il iros a Germania por vizitar amiki, ed en agosto ad Usa, e pro to il ne povos asistar la renkontro en Neviges, Germania. Me nur esperas ke la mono-relo en Wuppertal restos pendanta, kande me uzos ol. Saluti amikala, Hans St. ************************************************ Ido, linguo internaciona, absolute vizitez: http://members.tripod.com/~avancigado ************************************************ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/list/idolisto Free Web-based e-mail groups by eGroups.com From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 235 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 28669 invoked by uid 7770); 20 Apr 1999 21:16:45 -0000 Received: from spartacus.a2000.nl (HELO smtp2.a2000.nl) (62.108.1.20) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 20 Apr 1999 21:16:45 -0000 Received: from node118d7.a2000.nl ([24.132.24.215] helo=default) by smtp2.a2000.nl with smtp (Exim 2.02 #4) id 10Zhsq-0003kY-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 23:16:44 +0200 Message-ID: <000f01be8b73$c8433460$d7188418@default.a2000.nl> From: "Ido-Info" To: "idolisto" Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 23:21:40 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Subject: [ido] Progreso Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kar amiko J. Bol, Mikhail Fedorchenko pregis a me savigar a vu ke il interesas recevar Progreso, ma ne es kapabla pagar ol. Segun vua dico, suficis nur sendar e-postala mesajo, por kontinuigar l' abono. Il ne recevis respondo de vu e nun dubitas ka vu recevis lua mesajo. Saluti amikala, Hans St. ************************************************ Ido, linguo internaciona, absolute vizitez: http://members.tripod.com/~avancigado ************************************************ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/list/idolisto Free Web-based e-mail groups by eGroups.com From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 236 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 10672 invoked by uid 7770); 20 Apr 1999 21:41:18 -0000 Received: from mail2.ip.pt (194.79.69.132) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 20 Apr 1999 21:41:18 -0000 Received: from clientec (pm-lx-5-59.net.ip.pt [195.23.4.187]) by mail2.ip.pt with ESMTP id WAA02921 for < idolisto@egroups.com>; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 22:41:23 +0100 (WEST) Message-Id: <199904202141.WAA02921@mail2.ip.pt> Reply-To: From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Gon=E7alo_Neves?=" To: "IDOLISTO" Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 22:23:54 +0200 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] babil-buxo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Kar amiko Frank, Danko pro vua esforco krear babil-buxo por nia listani. Hodie me vizitis ol trifoye. Ol esis vakua lore, ma es bona savar ke ol existas e ke ni povas vizitar ol e probar renkontrar ibe nia samideani. Kun saluto kordial, Gon�alo Neves ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/list/idolisto Free Web-based e-mail groups by eGroups.com From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 237 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 5156 invoked by uid 7770); 21 Apr 1999 04:49:53 -0000 Received: from www.minitel.net (HELO gmailint1.globalmail.net) (193.252.91.17) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 21 Apr 1999 04:49:53 -0000 Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 06:49:53 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199904210449.GAA20773@gmailint1.globalmail.net> From: jeanmartignon@minitel.net (JEAN MARTIGNON) Reply-To: jeanmartignon@minitel.net (JEAN MARTIGNON) To: idolisto@egroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] Diskuto Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Kara cibernauti, Pro mea aparato, me ne povis partoprenar la diskuto-forumo. Kad ito bone funcionis ? Saluti. JM ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/list/idolisto Free Web-based e-mail groups by eGroups.com From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 238 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 21024 invoked by uid 7770); 21 Apr 1999 05:28:25 -0000 Received: from cgews1.hum.nagoya-cu.ac.jp (202.35.194.1) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 21 Apr 1999 05:28:25 -0000 Received: from [202.35.194.63] ([202.35.194.63]) by cgews1.hum.nagoya-cu.ac.jp (8.9.3/3.7W99022518) with ESMTP id OAA07416 for ; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 14:26:27 +0900 (JST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Macintosh Eudora Pro Version 4.0.1J Message-Id: Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 14:30:48 +0900 To: idolisto@egroups.com From: "MORITA, Akira" Subject: [ido] mangusto Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-2022-JP" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit kara Idolistani, che la temo mangusto me memoris ceno spektita ante multa yari sur la tropikal insulo Tokunoshima, sudal Japonia. To esis kruela spektaklo por enoyanta turisti$B!'(Bkombato til morto dil venenoza serpento kontre mangusto. Omnafoye vinkis mangusto. En la japoniana linguo la bestio nomesas "manguus(u)". Evidente vorto devenanta angla "mangoose", nam la bestio ne esas di origino en Japonia. MORITA, Akira $B!!!J?9ED!!L@!K(B morita@hum.nagoya-cu.ac.jp ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/list/idolisto Free Web-based e-mail groups by eGroups.com From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 239 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 10776 invoked by uid 7770); 21 Apr 1999 10:40:31 -0000 Received: from www.minitel.net (HELO gmailint1.globalmail.net) (193.252.91.17) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 21 Apr 1999 10:40:31 -0000 Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 12:40:30 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199904211040.MAA29091@gmailint1.globalmail.net> From: jeanmartignon@minitel.net (JEAN MARTIGNON) To: idolisto@egroups.com (IDOLISTO) Reply-To: jeanmartignon@minitel.net Errors-To: jeanmartignon@minitel.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] Zoologial nomo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Kara samideano, Me supozas ke ita animalo esas mangusto, do en la Franca : mangouste, tote simple. Mankas a la Franca la dezinenco - o remplasata per la min bela e sonora, talenomizita muta -e. kordiala saluti. JM ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/list/idolisto Free Web-based e-mail groups by eGroups.com From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 240 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 18238 invoked by uid 7770); 21 Apr 1999 13:16:15 -0000 Received: from dipobox.sis.it (193.70.16.1) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 21 Apr 1999 13:16:15 -0000 Received: from lizard [193.70.17.15] with smtp by dipobox.sis.it with smtp (Smail-3.2.0.101 1997-Dec-17 #8 #8) id m10Zxo5-0008xAC; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 15:16:53 +0100 (GMT+0100) Message-Id: Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 15:16:53 +0100 (GMT+0100) X-Sender: narcar@mailserver.sis.it (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 To: idolisto@egroups.com From: Nardini Carlo Subject: [ido] quanta internacioneso Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kar Amiki, me expozas ula personala (metafisikala?) reflekti pri l' evaluar l' internacioneso di nova vorti. En INTERLINGUA, exemple, me lektis ke on uzas prezisa kriterio: aceptesas kom internacionala ula vorto, quu existas en adminime tri ek la sequanta lingui: Italiana, Franca, Hispana e/o Portugalana, Angla; o, kom duesma alternativo, in du ek la antea lingui, ed en la Germana e/o la Rusa. La du iberica lingui, Hispana e Portugalana, konsideresas kune, pro la komuna signifiko en la grupo dil romana lingui. La kriterio di Interlingua esas kritikebla (tro romanatra, segun me), ma havas la merito di definita preziseso. En IDO, ye mea konoco (ol es tote recenta, e me povas erorar), prezisa kriterio aktuale ne existas. En Ido valoras la principo generala e kelke abstraktala di la "maxim granda facileso por la maxim granda nombro di homi". Otto Jespersen skribis: "... on devas facar listo di la vorti korespondanta en la max granda nombro di la importanta lingui naturala e komparar li, konsiderante ne sole la nombro di la lingui, sed anke la nombro di la homi konocanta li"(1). Tradicionale, en Ido la importanta natural refero-lingui pri internacioneso esas la Europana GAFHIR (Germana, Angla, Franca, Hispana, Italiana, Rusa). La Portugalana (89% dil radiki komuna kun l'Hispana) ne eniras la nombro dil refero-lingui, ma eniras la kontado dil parolanti (Hispana e Portugalana parolanti adicionesas kune) (2). Kalkular la nombro dil homi konocanta singla GAFHIR-linguo esas tasko ne sempre facila. Onu povas questionar su kad on devas konsiderar, pri singla GAFHIR-linguo: a) unike la homi konocanta ol kom unesma linguo (matro-linguo); b) anke la homi konocanta ol kom duesma linguo (exemple la lokala linguo por l'enmigranti, o linguo, quu havas certena oficala funciono, kom l'Angla en India); c) anke la homi lerninta ol kom stranjera linguo (exemple linguo skolala). Se on referas a la stando faktala, aktuala, semblus logikoza, quankam nefacila, kalkular la omna konocanti di singla linguo (a + b + c). Se on referas a situeso utopiala, kande artificala linguo (Ido) divenus l'unika universala duesma linguo, sen ula stranjera linguo lernenda, lore evidente on devus konsiderar unike la matro-linguo. Couturat, en kuntexto mas-instruktala tote diferanta de l'aktuala, relatis la komprenebleso dil radiki a la "nombro di homi ek Europana kulturo konocanta unike lia matro-linguo" (2). Mi-ludale e mi-serioze, me probis quantizar l'internacioneso di nova radiki, altravorte mezurar lia GAFHIR-quanteso. Plura kriteri esas teoriale posibla (sendube anke altri, ultre la sube). ### KRITERIO A, egalesala: un linguo - un punto. Segun ica kriterio singla linguo havas la sama pezo o valoro. procento pezo Germana 16.5% 1 Angla 16.5% 1 Franca 16.5% 1 Hispana 16.5% 1 Italiana 16.5% 1 Rusa 16.5% 1 Ica kriterio ne konsideras la nombro dil parolanti, e ol ne semblas esir l'historial kriterio en Ido. Exemple: la GAFHIR-quanteso di radiko komuna a la tri romana lingui FHI esas 50%. ### KRITERIO B, proporcionala, historiala: tanta homi - tanta punti. Segun ica kriterio, quun Ido semblas plu o min sequir en sua radik-selekto, singla linguo havas pezo proporcionala a la nombro dil homi, qui parolis lu ye la unesma duadek yari dil 20.sma yar-cento (kande la Idala vortaro konstruktesis). Yen la historiala pezo di singla GAFHIR-linguo (parolant-nombro en milioni, ye la yaro 1921 (2): parolant-nombro pezo G 120 (22%) 3 A 150 (28%) 3,5 F 60 (11%) 1,5 H/P 85 (16%) 2 I 40 (7%) 1 R 90 (16%) 2 La pezala nombri, adjuntita da me, esas rondigite proporcionala a la parolant-nombro. ### KRITERIO C, proporcionala, aktualigita. Segun ica kriterio, en la selekto di nova vorti, singla linguo havas pezo strikte proporcionala a l' aktuala nombro dil parolanti. Yen la procento di singla GAFHIR-linguo (parolant-nombro en milioni, ye la fino dil 20.sma yar-cento): 1.sma linguo sumo 1. + 2.sma linguo G 100 (9%) 120 (8%) A 340 (30%) 460 (29%) F 70 (6%) 120 (8%) H/P 410 (36%) 530 (33%) I 50 (5%) 65 (4%) R 160 (14%) 290 (18%) Ica parolant-nombri esas la rondigita mez-valoro ek adminime du autonoma fonti, quin me trovis en Internet (3). Altru povas havar altra nombri ek altra fonti. En ica tabelo semblante ne evaluesas la nombro dil stranjera-linguo-parolanti. Se itu kalkulesas, l'Angla atingus, segun ula fonti, l'astronomiala nombro di 800-1.000 milioni di homi konocanta lu. Omnakaze, me ne kredas ke hodie la nombro dil parolanti povas esar l' unika parametro, en l'evaluo dil internacioneso: altre, la Chiniana esus l'universala linguo. Dum ica yar-cento enorma chanji eventis en omna feldi, ne unike demografiala*, ma anke politikala, kulturala, ciencala...linguala. Li ne povas ignoresar. Cetere, ja la olima selekto di la GAFHIR-lingui implikis kulturala kriterio. ### KRITERIO D, ponderate elitala. Segun ica kriterio singla GAFHIR-linguo esas ponderata (da me) camaniere: a) pro ipse selektesir da la pioniri b) pro la pezo historiala en Ido c) pro la nombro dil parolanti d) pro la respektiva kuntexto kulturala, ekonomiala, politikala... Me propozas stimulive la sequanta skalo: procento pezo Angla 5% 7 Hispana/Portugalana 20% 4 Rusa 15% 3 Franca 10% 2 Germana 10% 2 Italiana 10% 2 La punti asignita esas tote mea personala e arbitriala: altri propozez la sua (forsan me esis lejere partisana por l'Italiana, ma me konsideris ke poka deki di milioni di difero en la parolant-nombro ne esas tante importanta; ultre, l'Italiana esas l'unesme naskinto di la Latina, e lua nobeleso mustas konsideresar...). Vorto (radiko), quu havas la plu granda GAFHIR-quanteso segun la skalo, povas konsideresar internaciona. Me ne probis praktike la skalo. Yen nur du exempli, ja aparita hike: Exemplo facila Exemplo min facila G manguste tippen A mongoose to type F mangouste taper, dactylographier H mangosta mecanografiar I mangusta dattilografare R ? ? Segun la skalo, la radiko mangust.o havas GAFHIR-quanteso, o internacioneso, de 85% adminime (majoreso absoluta). Segun la skalo, la radiko taip.ar* havas GAFHIR-quanteso de 45% (majoreso relativa: F taper sonas simile, ma es etimologiale diferanta, me kredas). -------------------------- (1) Otto Jespersen. Qua es nia fundamento? (Progreso, Vol I). (Linko* en la Ido-hempagino). (2) Dyer, 1923. The problem of an International Auxiliary Language and its Solution in Ido. (Linko* en la Ido-hempagino). (3) IMHO* 'Internet' esas nule 'inter-net'; ol es integra propra nomo, quu esas netushebla, e ne darfas divenar Interreto, same kam Windows ne darfas divenar Fenestri. Lo sama valoras por WWW, quu ne darfas divenar TTT, se on volas ke la homi ordinara komprenas pri quo parolesas: por me ipsa dum plura monati esis inkubo ta ubiqua TTT-eyo, til ke unu chance explikis la signifiko. Probez taipar* http://ttt... vice http://www.... [Me lektis ke IMHO* ("In My Humble Opinion") es komuna formulo di politeso en la Internetala diskuti, por ke li ne divenez kelke ofensiva. Olu povas utile Idigesar, ma plez* ne Idizez ol... IMHO*]. -------------------------- Kordiale, Carlo Nardini ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/list/idolisto Free Web-based e-mail groups by eGroups.com From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 241 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 19007 invoked by uid 7770); 21 Apr 1999 13:17:38 -0000 Received: from lince.lander.es (195.76.46.35) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 21 Apr 1999 13:17:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 3641 invoked from network); 21 Apr 1999 12:58:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ppp-48-42.lander.es) (195.76.48.42) by lince.lander.es with SMTP; 21 Apr 1999 12:58:28 -0000 X-Sender: joser@lince.lander.es (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 To: idolisto@egroups.com From: "j.m.rodriguez" Subject: [ido] Mangusti Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Kar amiko GON=C7ALO ed Idolani: Me lektis ulo pri l'origino dil nomo MANGU= STO. Ica vorto venas del hindua Marati, ol pasis aden la portugala Mangus,= sendubite pro la kontakti inter la hinduani e la portugala kolonii ibe. E = de Tua nacionala linguo aden la ceteri (mangosta; mangouste; monguus...). = En Andaluzia, regiono ube me habitas, la mangusto es anke konocata kom MELO= NCILLO (prononcez meloncilyo), ta vorto venas del latina melo - melonis q= ua signifikas daxo en Idolinguo (animalo tre simila al mangusto). Semblas = ke la Tartesani, populo qua habitis en la sudo di Portugal e Hispania, intr= oduktis la mangusti afrikana (herpestes ichneumon) en l'Iberiana Peninsulo = por defendar su del serpenti. Hiere me vidis en la televiziono di Andaluz= io raporto pri la naturo en la Parko Naturala Despe=F1aperros (prononcez De= spenyaperos) inter Kastilia ed Andaluzia. En ta raporto aparis la mangusto= , quankam segun la raportisto es tre desfacila observar la mangusti. En ta= parko naturala la mangusti nutras su per rati e viperi (pardonez, se ta la= sta frazo vundis irga sentiveso). Til altr okaziono, recevez kordial salut= i de Hispania. Jose Maria Rodriguez Hernandez joser@lander.es ----------= --------------------------------------------------------------- eGroup home:= http://www.eGroups.com/list/idolisto Free Web-based e-mail groups by eGrou= ps.com From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 242 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 15353 invoked by uid 7770); 21 Apr 1999 19:04:42 -0000 Received: from mail2.ip.pt (194.79.69.132) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 21 Apr 1999 19:04:41 -0000 Received: from clientec (pm-lx-5-32.net.ip.pt [195.23.4.160]) by mail2.ip.pt with ESMTP id UAA03185; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 20:04:47 +0100 (WEST) Message-Id: <199904211904.UAA03185@mail2.ip.pt> Reply-To: From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Gon=E7alo_Neves?=" To: "IDOLISTO" Cc: "Tazio Carlevaro" Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 19:48:15 +0200 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] Debuto da Editerio Sudo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Kar amiki, Me anuncas ke Editerio Sudo jus debutis per yena verko: Neves, Gon�alo: Introdu��o � l�ngua internacional. Lisboa 1999: Editerio Sudo. 4 p. ISBN 972-8551-00-2 Ca edituro es gratuita. Ol es mikra informilo Portugalana quan me tradukis ed adaptis de Angla informilo sendita da Alfred Neussner. Me tenos vi informata pri mea edituri, sempre kun kopio a D-ro Tazio Carlevaro kom responsanto pri aferi bibliografial. Kun saluto kordial, Gon�alo Neves ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/list/idolisto Free Web-based e-mail groups by eGroups.com From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 243 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 18323 invoked by uid 7770); 21 Apr 1999 20:48:11 -0000 Received: from mail2.ip.pt (194.79.69.132) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 21 Apr 1999 20:48:11 -0000 Received: from clientec (pm-lx-8-35.net.ip.pt [195.23.96.163]) by mail2.ip.pt with ESMTP id VAA07202 for < idolisto@egroups.com>; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 21:48:18 +0100 (WEST) Message-Id: <199904212048.VAA07202@mail2.ip.pt> Reply-To: From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Gon=E7alo_Neves?=" To: "IDOLISTO" Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 20:58:57 +0200 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] Itere pri mangusto Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kar amiko Jose Maria, Dankego pro tua informi pri la mangusto. Me uzos li en mea artiklo. Tamen me ne asentas ke la daxo similesas la mangusto. Pluse "melo - melonis" ne esis "daxo" en la Latina, ma "melono": "daxo" esis "meles - melis". Kar amiko Akira Morita, Anke vua informon me uzos en mea artiklo. Danko. Kun saluto kordial, Goncalo Neves ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/list/idolisto Free Web-based e-mail groups by eGroups.com From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 244 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 18328 invoked by uid 7770); 21 Apr 1999 20:48:12 -0000 Received: from mail2.ip.pt (194.79.69.132) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 21 Apr 1999 20:48:12 -0000 Received: from clientec (pm-lx-8-35.net.ip.pt [195.23.96.163]) by mail2.ip.pt with ESMTP id VAA07212 for < idolisto@egroups.com>; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 21:48:19 +0100 (WEST) Message-Id: <199904212048.VAA07212@mail2.ip.pt> Reply-To: From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Gon=E7alo_Neves?=" To: "IDOLISTO" Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 21:31:43 +0200 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] Internacioneso Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Kar amiko Carlo Nardini, Vua artiklo tre plezis a me. Ol es tre importanta, meritas publiko plu vasta kam ica e konseque devus aparar en Progreso, segun mea opiniono. Me konsentas vua kriterio D (ponderate elitala). Ol es la kriterio qua maxim fitas en la realeso lingual e historial di nia linguo. Tamen me ne tote asentas la pezi quin vu atribuis a la sis lingui GAFHIR. La pezo dil Angla es kelke exajerita ed olca dil Franca - tre subevaluita. La Franca esis tre importanta por la formaco di Ido. Me mem asertis olim en poemo Esperantal ke Ido esas la rezulto di sexuago inter la yunino Esperanto e la galanta yunulo Franca, olquan la du samtempe volis e ne volis. Me forsan atribuus yena pezi: pezo Angla 6 Franca 5 Hispana/Portugalana 3 Germana 3 Italiana 2 Rusa 1 Me tote asentas vua exhorto ne Idigar "Internet" (ve! me ipsa agis lo!) e "WWW". La Esperantisti exajeris en ica domeno, til misformacar "Windows" aden "Vindozo". Altra lingui, altra mori... Kun saluto kordial, Gon�alo Neves ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/list/idolisto Free Web-based e-mail groups by eGroups.com From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 245 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 14489 invoked by uid 7770); 21 Apr 1999 22:22:03 -0000 Received: from spartacus.a2000.nl (HELO smtp2.a2000.nl) (62.108.1.20) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 21 Apr 1999 22:22:03 -0000 Received: from node118d7.a2000.nl ([24.132.24.215] helo=default) by smtp2.a2000.nl with smtp (Exim 2.02 #4) id 10a5NX-0005is-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 00:21:59 +0200 Message-ID: <002701be8c46$12829660$d7188418@default.a2000.nl> From: "Ido-Info" To: "idolisto" Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 00:26:59 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Subject: [ido] internacioneso Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kar amiki, Anke me impresesis dal 'exploro' da Carlo Nardini e pensis pri pregar permiso uzar ol kom artiklo por Ido-Saluto, ma es same felica se es uzata por Progreso, l' artiklo bezonas plu granda publiko. Cetere, en Ido-Saluto nr. 2-1996 publikigesis ula informo pri internacioneso, de la manuo di T. Lang. Yen la cifri: Angla-parolanto rikonocas cirkum 81% di omna vorti Franca-parolanto 91% Italiana-parolanto 83% Hispana-parolanto 80% Sueda-parolanto 74% Germana-parolanto 64% Rusa-parolanto 52% De ube venas ta cifri me ne savas, ma me pensas rimemorar ke esis ula exploro en libro da H. Jacob, "A Planned Auxiliary Language" (1947). La subtitulo di la libro es: "a detailed comparative study of interlinguistics with full grammatical details of five systems of demonstrated usefulness, Esperanto, Ido, Occidental, Novial, and Latino sin flexione...[e pluse]". La libro ankore es komprebla che l' Ido-librerio en Cardiff (videz: http://www.angelfire.com/id/Avance/Librerii.html ). Pardonez me por esar indolenta e ne quik serchar la detali dil exploro. (Ja es tarda e me bezonas vekar tre frue morge). Saluti amikala, Hans St. ************************************************ Ido, linguo internaciona, absolute vizitez: http://members.tripod.com/~avancigado ************************************************ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/list/idolisto Free Web-based e-mail groups by eGroups.com From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 246 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 7492 invoked by uid 7770); 22 Apr 1999 19:18:34 -0000 Received: from web1.rocketmail.com (205.180.57.67) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 22 Apr 1999 19:18:34 -0000 Message-ID: <19990422190203.24198.rocketmail@web1.rocketmail.com> Received: from [206.167.80.240] by web1; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 12:02:03 PDT Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 12:02:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Lavalea Marteno To: idolisto@egroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] Debuto da Editerio Sudo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sioro Neves, Me maxim joye vidis ke portugallingua verko aparis danke vua gravega laboro. Me opinionas ke esus bona ideo pozar ol anke en interreto, se ico esas posibla. Pagino en la portugala linguo pri Ido anke povus anuncar ica libreto recevebla poste. Meaopinione multa homi skribos por recevar ol. Maxim amike vun salutas, Martin _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.eGroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 247 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 8852 invoked by uid 7770); 22 Apr 1999 19:20:52 -0000 Received: from web1.rocketmail.com (205.180.57.67) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 22 Apr 1999 19:20:52 -0000 Message-ID: <19990422190421.24825.rocketmail@web1.rocketmail.com> Received: from [206.167.80.240] by web1; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 12:04:21 PDT Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 12:04:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Lavalea Marteno To: idolisto@egroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] rocketmail Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kar amiki, Me desfelice perdis omna mesaji kontenita en hotmail. Me do komencas transiro ad rocketmail, qua semblas ne havar tanta problemi. Mea nova adreso esos esperantomarten@rocketmail.com Maxim amike vin salutas, Martin ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.eGroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 248 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 5512 invoked by uid 7770); 22 Apr 1999 21:50:37 -0000 Received: from mail2.ip.pt (194.79.69.132) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 22 Apr 1999 21:50:37 -0000 Received: from clientec (pm-lx-8-59.net.ip.pt [195.23.96.187]) by mail2.ip.pt with ESMTP id WAA06988 for < idolisto@egroups.com>; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 22:50:45 +0100 (WEST) Message-Id: <199904222150.WAA06988@mail2.ip.pt> Reply-To: From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Gon=E7alo_Neves?=" To: "IDOLISTO" Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 22:27:01 +0200 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] Pagino Portugalana Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Kar amiko Martin, Me asentas ke esus bona pozar en la reto pagino Portugalana kun la texto jus editita da Editerio Sudo (ES). Tamen me ankore ne savas agar lo. Me volunte sendus rete la texto ad irgu qua esus pronta agar lo. Kun saluto kordial, Gon�alo Neves ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.eGroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 249 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 24271 invoked by uid 7770); 23 Apr 1999 04:23:37 -0000 Received: from dipobox.sis.it (193.70.16.1) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 23 Apr 1999 04:23:37 -0000 Received: from lizard [193.70.17.42] with smtp by dipobox.sis.it with smtp (Smail-3.2.0.101 1997-Dec-17 #8 #8) id m10aYRz-0008x9C; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 06:24:31 +0100 (GMT+0100) Message-Id: Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 06:24:31 +0100 (GMT+0100) X-Sender: narcar@mailserver.sis.it (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 To: idolisto@egroups.com From: Nardini Carlo Subject: [ido] quantizar l'internacioneso Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kar Idolani, me dankas l'Amiki Goncalo Neves e Hans Stuifbergen pro lia propozo editar mea reflekti pri maniero di mezurar l'internacioneso di nova vorti. Sendube me esus felica. Kompreneble cakaze on mustos korektigar mea erori gramatikala e lexikala: me es poke Idero. Unike, se posible, ne korektigez "itu" e "quu"; segun me li ne esas eroro, ma mea personala licenso. Me regretas mikra evidenta taipala* eroro en mea final skalo: 5% por l'Angla vice 35% Yen la tabelo korekta: procento pezo Angla 35% 7 Hispana/Portugalana 20% 4 Rusa 15% 3 Franca 10% 2 Germana 10% 2 taliana 10% 2 Ita skalon me mantenas. Segun me la pezi di Goncalo Neves evaluas tro poke la nombro dil parolanti, quaze eskartanta la ne-eludebla principo di la maxim granda facileso por la maxim granda nombro di homi. Fakte Ido rezultis forsan tro Francatra (ka mea Italianeso misduktas me?). La tabelon prizentita da Hans Stuifbergen me ja konocis. Ol esas altro kam mea skalo; ol fotografas l'aposterioriala rezulto dil vortar-konstrukto; mea skalo volus esar l'aprioriala kriterio por la radik-selekto, quo es diferanta kozo. Kordiale, Carlo Nardini ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.eGroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 250 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 22496 invoked by uid 7770); 23 Apr 1999 09:45:43 -0000 Received: from www.minitel.net (HELO gmailint1.globalmail.net) (193.252.91.17) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 23 Apr 1999 09:45:43 -0000 Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 11:45:43 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199904230945.LAA17923@gmailint1.globalmail.net> From: jeanmartignon@minitel.net (JEAN MARTIGNON) To: idolisto@egroups.com (IDOLISTO) Reply-To: jeanmartignon@minitel.net Errors-To: jeanmartignon@minitel.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] Diskuto Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Kara cibernauti, Pro mea aparato, me ne povis partoprenar la diskuto-forumo. Kad ito bone funcionis ? Saluti. JM ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.eGroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 251 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 30536 invoked by uid 7770); 23 Apr 1999 14:09:57 -0000 Received: from mout00.kundenserver.de (195.20.224.69) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 23 Apr 1999 14:09:57 -0000 Received: from [195.20.224.67] (helo=mx00.kundenserver.de) by mout00.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 10ageS-0004BQ-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 16:09:56 +0200 Received: from [212.81.173.207] (helo=www) by mx00.kundenserver.de with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 10ageQ-0003dD-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 16:09:54 +0200 Message-ID: <001301be8d92$940bde60$cfad51d4@www.fen.baynet.de> From: "Frank Kasper" To: "Idolisto (Mesaji)" Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 15:18:53 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Subject: [ido] Re: Letro da sioro Guenter Anton Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kara amiki! Samtempe kun ica mesajo vi recevos letro da Guenter Anton, quan lu adjuntis a letro, quan me recevis hodie de lu. Guenter Anton informis me, ke lu sustenas la projeto da Zeno krear novajgrupi che "Usenet". Pro to me pose votos por lu talrelate. Me tre esperas, ke vi omni standas bone e deziras a vi omni agreabla semanofino! Me devos laborar dum saturdio e dum sundio omnadie dum 12 hori e pro to nur havos poka tempo por interreta aferi. Kun la maxim kordiala ed amikala saluti! Frank Kasper frank.kasper@idolinguo.de - webmaster@idolinguo.de ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.eGroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 252 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 30552 invoked by uid 7770); 23 Apr 1999 14:09:58 -0000 Received: from mout00.kundenserver.de (195.20.224.69) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 23 Apr 1999 14:09:58 -0000 Received: from [195.20.224.67] (helo=mx00.kundenserver.de) by mout00.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 10ageU-0004BW-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 16:09:58 +0200 Received: from [212.81.173.207] (helo=www) by mx00.kundenserver.de with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 10ageL-0003dD-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 16:09:50 +0200 Message-ID: <001201be8d92$915d3920$cfad51d4@www.fen.baynet.de> From: "Frank Kasper" To: "Idolisto (Mesaji)" Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 15:11:00 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Subject: [ido] Re: Komenti de la prezidanto dil ULI sioro Guenter Anton koncerne l'opinioni pri la futuro di "Progreso" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Guenter Anton prezidanto dil ULI Bernh.-Kellermann-Str. 6k D-06366 KOETHEN/ Anh. GERMANIA A la membri dil IDO-LISTO Kara samideani dil Ido-Listo, nia amiko Frank Kasper informas me pri importanta diskuti dil membri di nia Ido-listo, pro ke regretinde me ne posedas komputoro. Tale me saveskis pri interesiva opinioni di nia samideano Neves koncerne nia maxim importanta revuo "Progreso". Kar amiko, me lektis omno quon vu skribis kun kreskant intereso. Yes, vere, Progreso esas quaze pano nekareebla por la Idistaro. Anke me meditis pri la problemo ke nia centrala organo aparas tro skarsa, fakte nur trifoye po yaro, e regretinde la revuo nur kontenas 16 pagini. Tale ne esas hazardo, ke en mea recenta CIRKULERO por la membri di nia Direktanta Komitato ca problemo esas importanta punto. Se vi lektos mea linei, la Cirkulero forsan ankore ne esas en la-manui di omna membri dil DK, ma ol esas ja en la manui di sdo. Jacques Bol. Quale sdo. Neves me opinionas ke Progreso devus aparar plu ofte, ad minime komence quarfoye po yaro. Nia chefa revuo fakte reflektas la situeso di nia movemento. Do, se nia chefrevuo esas plu impresiva por la publiko, anke l'opiniono dil publiko pri nia movemento esas plu favoroza por ni. Komprenende omno, quon skribis sdo. Jacques Bol, respondante a sdo. Neves, esas vera e korekta. Sdo. Bol facas ecelanta e meritoza laboro por nia movemento depos multa yari, e prezente fakte il sole facas la revuo. Il esas samtempe redaktero ed imprimisto e sorgas kune kun sdo. Franz Regnier por la distributo. Altri fakte nur sendas ad il artikli. Editar Progreso plu ofte, fakte esas ne simpla pro kauzi konocata: 1. Revuo demandas pekunio, ma la recevaji financala di nia nenombroza movemento ne suficas por adminime dumonatala edito dil revuo. 2. Nia meritoza redaktero ne plus esas yuna e ne disponas pri la povo korpala por ofte aparanta revuo. Sdo. Neves tre korekte vidas la problemi. Tre bona esas sua pro- pozi, respondizante la mesajo di Jacques Bol. Li esas konkreta e bona bazo anke por la diskuto en la DK. La problemo diskutesos anke dum nia konfero en Neviges komence di agosto. Fakto esas ke ni bezonas redaktala komisiono, ke ne nur un zeloza Idisto facas la tota laboro. Pro to me joyas pri la propozo di sdo. Neves ke il volas kunlaborar aktive. Maxim kordiale G. Anton guenter.anton@idolinguo.de - webmaster@idolinguo.de ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.eGroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 253 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 7397 invoked by uid 7770); 23 Apr 1999 17:26:13 -0000 Received: from mc.egroups.com (207.138.41.138) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 23 Apr 1999 17:26:13 -0000 Received: from [10.1.2.5] by mc.egroups.com with NNFMP; 23 Apr 1999 17:26:12 -0000 From: thomw@webtv.net To: idolisto@egroups.com Subject: [ido] Saluti samideani--me es nov idisto Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain Subject: Saluti samideani--me es nov idisto X-Mailer: www.eGroups.com Message Poster MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 17:26:09 -0000 In-Reply-To: From: thomw@webtv.net To: idolisto@egroups.com Saluti-- Me nomesas Thom Wilkerson, lojante en SanJose, CA ed me jus ca-semane esas lernanta la idala linguo. Me tre joyas lernar un mem plu simpla linguo kam Espo. Me esperas ke me povas lernar pronte, ma unesme, me mustas "des"lernar espo.:-). Me pregas pardono pro mea nesavo di kompleta vortari di Ido, ma me ankore ne havas lernolibri/vortlibri. Se vu savas irgaloko/vendeyo/ulo [en CA od Usa] de qua me povas [achetar(?)] ca libri, me tre felichus audar de vu. Videz mea 'profile' enlistigita kun eGrupo "IdoListo" por trovar la epost/post-adresi e telefon-numero. Me jus deklaris ke me esas un ex-esperantisto e volas tre multe ajuntar la Idala societo. Kordiale vua nova amiko idale Thom Wilkerson thomw@webtv.net ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.eGroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 254 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 24352 invoked by uid 7770); 23 Apr 1999 22:51:55 -0000 Received: from mail2.ip.pt (194.79.69.132) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 23 Apr 1999 22:51:55 -0000 Received: from clientec (pm-lx-10-49.net.ip.pt [195.23.97.49]) by mail2.ip.pt with ESMTP id XAA07440 for < idolisto@egroups.com>; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 23:52:02 +0100 (WEST) Message-Id: <199904232252.XAA07440@mail2.ip.pt> Reply-To: From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Gon=E7alo_Neves?=" To: "IDOLISTO" Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 23:17:16 +0200 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] Esez bonvenanta! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Saluto, kar amiko Thom Wilkerson! Ezez bonvenanta che ni! Ne multe sorgez pri "deslernar" Esperanto. Ne es necesa agar lo por bone lernar Ido, nam ica linguo lernesas ipse, sen grand esforci, quaze lude, por plezuro. Kande me lerneskis Ido tri monati ante nun, me trovis omna necesa lernili che yena editerio, de qua vu povas quick demandar katalogo: Ido-Librerio 44 Woodville Raod, Cathays Cardiff CF2 4EB Britania De lua katalogo me rekomendas la yena libri: Angle: Complete Manual of the Auxiliary Language Ido (de Beaufront), 1973, 44 p., �4.00. Ido-English Dictionary (Dyer), 1924, xxvi+408 p., �12.00 [bonega, nekareebla] English-Ido Dictionary (Dyer), 1924, xii+392 p., �12.00 (harda kovrilo), �6.00 (papera kovrilo) Ide: Kompleta Gramatiko Detaloza (de Beaufront), 1925, 232 p. �12.00 Dicionario de la 10 000 radiki di la linguo universala ido (Pesh), 1964, 631 p. Yen do! Me deziras a vu mult instanti amuziva inter ni. Kun saluto kordial, Gon�alo Neves (Portugal) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.eGroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 255 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 19649 invoked by uid 7770); 24 Apr 1999 08:57:21 -0000 Received: from mail2.ip.pt (194.79.69.132) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 24 Apr 1999 08:57:21 -0000 Received: from clientec (pm-lx-3-45.net.ip.pt [195.23.4.45]) by mail2.ip.pt with ESMTP id JAA10632 for < idolisto@egroups.com>; Sat, 24 Apr 1999 09:57:23 +0100 (WEST) Message-Id: <199904240857.JAA10632@mail2.ip.pt> Reply-To: From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Gon=E7alo_Neves?=" To: "IDOLISTO" Date: Sat, 24 Apr 1999 09:40:51 +0200 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] Re: quantizar l'internacioneso Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Kar amiki, Carlo Nardini skribis: >Kompreneble cakaze on mustos korektigar mea erori gramatikala e lexikala: me >es poke Idero. Yen certe jokajo. Se vu es "poke Idero" e skriptas eroroze, me pregas omna dei interlingual (se tali existas) : sendez a ni plusa modesti tante poke Idera, nam ni bezonegas li! >Fakte Ido rezultis forsan tro Francatra Sendubite Ido esas Francatra. Ma juste ita Francatreso dotas ol per sapto naturala, donas ad ol kohereso e vivaceso, dum ke Esperanto ed Interlingua (anke tre bela ed uzinda lingui) aspektas plu mashinatra, plu konstruktita. Segun mea gusto, evidente. Kun saluto kordial, Gon�alo Neves ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.eGroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 256 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 24399 invoked by uid 7770); 24 Apr 1999 10:45:40 -0000 Received: from smtp01.wxs.nl (195.121.6.61) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 24 Apr 1999 10:45:39 -0000 Received: from pc ([195.121.208.233]) by smtp01.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with SMTP id AAA4AE9 for ; Sat, 24 Apr 1999 12:45:39 +0200 Message-ID: <00cc01be8e3f$66b3dd20$e9d079c3@pc> From: "Eric Dickens" To: "idolisto" Date: Sat, 24 Apr 1999 12:43:32 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Subject: [ido] la debato pri internacioneso, ed altra kozi Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit 24 aprilo 1999 Kar amiki, Me havis l'antea du semani tre fatiganta traduko-texto. Nun, me esforcas skribar ulo. Unesme, me volas dankar Hans Stuifbergen pri l'Ido-Saluto. Me ne ankore tralektis ol, ma l'artikli aspektas interesanta. Ka la fotografio sur la kovrilo es arko en Berlin o Brussel/Bruxelles/Bruessel? La vorto "quadrigo" es, surprizante, en la vortolibro da Dyer! Duesme, me opinionas, ke es regrentinda fakto, ke preske (Goncalo Neves e Hans Stuifbergen es ja ecepti) tota la plu entuziasmoza debantanti pri internacioneso havas, kom matrala linguo un DEFIRS (o GAPHIR)-linguo. Quon opinionus homi, la linguo matrala di qui es ne-Romana, ne-Germana linguo, ma exemple Slava, Semidala o Turkala linguo. Me aceptas, ke Ido es tre Romana linguo, ma l'opinioni da "exteri" o "stranjeri" esus interesanta lektar. Triesme, me lektis ulloke, ke kelka Estoniani skribos kune libron en Esperanto. Me ne savas sive l'informo esis joko, sive serioza. Ma se la koncio, ke Esperanto existas es kreskanta en Estonia, me opinionas, ke es bona tempo skribar ulo pri nia linguo. Me esforcos - en Estona... Saluti, Eric Dickens ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.eGroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 257 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 22470 invoked by uid 7770); 24 Apr 1999 16:30:52 -0000 Received: from spartacus.a2000.nl (HELO smtp2.a2000.nl) (62.108.1.20) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 24 Apr 1999 16:30:52 -0000 Received: from node118d7.a2000.nl ([24.132.24.215] helo=default) by smtp2.a2000.nl with smtp (Exim 2.02 #4) id 10b5KM-00051U-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Sat, 24 Apr 1999 18:30:50 +0200 Message-ID: <001101be8e70$86606c20$d7188418@default.a2000.nl> From: "Ido-Info" To: "idolisto" Date: Sat, 24 Apr 1999 18:35:55 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Subject: [ido] joyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Kar amiki, Me esis kelke absenta pro laborala cirkonstanci e regretas dicar ke restos tale, ma probos partoprenar la forumo tam multe kam posible. Me tre joyas pro la 'novico' sioro Thom Wilkerson ed esperas ke lu trovez agreabla tempo che ni. ("aceti" en Ido = komprar). Sioro Gon�alo Neves ja explikis a vu ube komprar (komendar) libri. Por vendolisto di la diferanta librerii: http://www.angelfire.com/id/Avance/Librerii.html revui: http://www.angelfire.com/id/Avance/REVUI.html O.k., me devas irar, me havas mea obligi. Saluti amikala, Hans St. ************************************************ Ido, linguo internaciona, absolute vizitez: http://members.tripod.com/~avancigado ************************************************ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.eGroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 258 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 4329 invoked by uid 7770); 24 Apr 1999 23:47:47 -0000 Received: from mc.egroups.com (207.138.41.138) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 24 Apr 1999 23:47:47 -0000 Received: from [10.1.1.19] by mc.egroups.com with NNFMP; 24 Apr 1999 23:47:47 -0000 From: thomw@webtv.net To: idolisto@egroups.com Subject: [ido] Me dankas omni por vua kordial bonveni Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain Subject: Me dankas omni por vua kordial bonveni X-Mailer: www.eGroups.com Message Poster MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sat, 24 Apr 1999 23:47:46 -0000 In-Reply-To: From: thomw@webtv.net To: idolisto@egroups.com Estimata idisti-- Me kordiale dankas vi omni pro vua afablesa bonveno ad Ido e kordiala letri. Me antevidas ad multa bona amikesi en "Idistolando". Me serchadis kelka libro-vendeyi en San Jose por Idala libri, ma ad nula sukceso. Me havas fratino qua lojas en Sheffield Anglia. Me skribos a elu por helpar me komprar la libri sugestita da Sro Neves. Intertempe, me esperas ke me povas impresar la TTT-pagini por havar desmola exemplero, se me darfas/se to ne esas desdarfata. Me havas WebTV, ne KP. WebTV, por ti qui lojas exter Usa, esas nova konektilo por ligar la televisiono ad la interneto. On povas rigadarar TV dum sur la interneto. Olu esas tre chipa desplu kam US$300 kaj $25 po monato. Regretinde, ol ne kaplabas uzar JAVA, do me ne nun povas babilar kun vi en la babileyo. Mikrsoft promesas ke "balde" ni havos kapablo uzar JAVA. Tamen li dicis to plu nam 2 yari ante nun. Me kompris mea WebTV lasta februaro. Omni WebTV-uzanti prenadas sua spiro. Me havas questiono pri la citajo en IdoListo. Kande idisto citas altra letro, me vidas nur bluea buxo kun ne-lektebla nigra skribajo. Me pensas ke ta esas pro ke WebTV uzas dessimila konektilo nam altra ligili. Ka vero? Me tre juis lektar la multa TTT-pagini pri Ido facita da kelka idisti. Ti esas tre informiva. Me gratulas e dankas omni pro via labori. Se irgu havas adreso de idisto en Tulsa, Oklahoma, me aprecus havar lua adreso. Me vizitos mea familio je la komenco de junio, mea fratino vizitos de Anglia samtempe. Kordiale, vua nova amiko Thom Wilkerson thomw@webtv.net ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.eGroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 259 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 9968 invoked by uid 7770); 25 Apr 1999 11:01:00 -0000 Received: from farida.a2000.nl (HELO smtp1.a2000.nl) (62.108.1.19) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 25 Apr 1999 11:01:00 -0000 Received: from node118d7.a2000.nl ([24.132.24.215] helo=default) by smtp1.a2000.nl with smtp (Exim 2.02 #4) id 10bMei-0004LG-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Sun, 25 Apr 1999 13:01:00 +0200 Message-ID: <000b01be8f0b$9e377780$d7188418@default.a2000.nl> From: "Ido-Info" To: "idolisto" Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 13:06:06 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Subject: [ido] Idisti Usana Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kar amiki, e kar amiko Thom Wilkinson, Esas kelka Idisti en l' Usa, precipue oldi qui ne disponas sive komputoro, sive aceso ad interreto. Anke, li ne vivas en Oklahoma, ma en Pennsylvania ed Texas, li es la reprezenteri dil Uniono di la Linguo Ido (ULI) en l' Usa. Me ne plu savas l' adreso di la Texasano, ma yen la Pennsylvaniano: Edward H. Steve, 820, Glendalough Road, Erdenheim, Pennsylvania 19118. Altra Usani: -Zeno, me ne savas lua adreso, ma il es membro di ca forumo e vivas, me kredas, en vua regiono dil Usa. Se il lektas ca mesajo, forsan il kontaktos vu separate. -Tom Todd, 3713 West Main, Kalamazoo, MI 49006, il es tre surda ed olda, apene savas vorto dil Ido, ma es ne-cesante entuziasmanta pro l' afero Idala ed es komplezanta sustenar multa projeti. Il es quakero ed idealisto. -Tre recente New-Yorkano anuncis sua membreso che Idolisto, nomo me ne savas, nur abreviuro: N.I.M. Forsan, same kam Zeno, se il lektas ca mesajo, il kontaktos vu. Anke tre aktiva, e yuna (18 yari, me kredas), es Cook. Cook es reda (politikale), se vu es interesata pri lektar lua pagini, yen l' adreso: http://members.tripod.com/~Cook_3/ido/indexo.html E restas mea familio. Ante un e duima yari mea fratulo mariajesis a muliero Usana. Li ambe savas ke me es Idisto fervoroza e pregis lernolibri por li ipsa e la du filiuli di la muliero (mea fratulo es elua duesma spozo). Li dankis me afable e promisis a me studiar Ido, ma til nun me ne plu audis pri lia lernemeso. Me pensas ke li nur volis esar afabla a me e sustenar l' Idisti per komprar kelka libri, ma ne serioze pensas pri lernar Ido. Irgaquale es ca naraco, li vivas en Wichita, Kansas. Ma savante ke li ne parolas Ido, me dubitas kad es utila vizitar li. Tamen, se vu es interesata pri konoceskar familio di Idisto Nederlandana, lasez savar a me, me aranjos kontakto-posibleso. Aparte de ca longa mesajo pri Usani, me volas dicar ke me joyas savar ke nia amiko Eric Dickens es probanta skribar texto en l' Estoniana, pri Ido. Me nun lektas libro dal Estoniano Jaan Kross, "Keisri Hull", o, segun titulo Nederlandana: "la folo di la caro". Es interesanta libro pri la historio di la landi Baltika. Saluti amikala, Hans St. ************************************************ Ido, linguo internaciona, absolute vizitez: http://members.tripod.com/~avancigado ************************************************ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.eGroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 260 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 5655 invoked by uid 7770); 25 Apr 1999 19:30:53 -0000 Received: from mc.egroups.com (207.138.41.138) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 25 Apr 1999 19:30:53 -0000 Received: from [10.1.2.6] by mc.egroups.com with NNFMP; 25 Apr 1999 19:30:25 -0000 From: frank.kasper@idolinguo.de To: idolisto@egroups.com Subject: [ido] Nula mesajo dum la tota semanofino Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain Subject: Nula mesajo dum la tota semanofino X-Mailer: www.eGroups.com Message Poster MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 19:30:39 -0000 In-Reply-To: From: frank.kasper@idolinguo.de To: idolisto@egroups.com Kara amiki! Me devas konstatar, ke dum la tota semanofino nula mesajo atingis nia forumo. Quo eventis. Regretinde mem du mesaji dissendita da me ne atingis "Idolisto". Me tre esperas, ke me balde itere povos regardar mesaji da Idolani! Kordiala saluti a vi omni! Frank Kasper ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.eGroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 261 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 13154 invoked by uid 7770); 25 Apr 1999 19:50:17 -0000 Received: from mout0.01019freenet.de (194.97.109.116) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 25 Apr 1999 19:50:17 -0000 Received: from [194.97.109.112] (helo=mx0.01019freenet.de) by mout0.01019freenet.de with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #7) id 10bUuv-0007vE-01 for idolisto@egroups.com; Sun, 25 Apr 1999 21:50:17 +0200 Received: from [212.81.173.19] (helo=www) by mx0.01019freenet.de with smtp (Exim 2.12 #7) id 10bUuf-0004Jd-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Sun, 25 Apr 1999 21:50:01 +0200 Message-ID: <001801be8f54$695bc7c0$13ad51d4@www.fen.baynet.de> From: "Frank Kasper" To: "Idolisto (Mesaji)" Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 21:34:27 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Subject: [ido] Re: Komenti da la prezidanto dil ULI Guenter Anton koncerne "Progreso" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Guenter Anton prezidanto dil ULI Bernh.-Kellermann-Str. 6k D-06366 KOETHEN/ Anh. GERMANIA A la membri dil IDO-LISTO Kara samideani dil Ido-Listo, nia amiko Frank Kasper informas me pri importanta diskuti dil membri di nia Ido-listo, pro ke regretinde me ne posedas komputoro. Tale me saveskis pri interesiva opinioni di nia samideano Neves koncerne nia maxim importanta revuo "Progreso". Kar amiko, me lektis omno quon vu skribis kun kreskant intereso. Yes, vere, Progreso esas quaze pano nekareebla por la Idistaro. Anke me meditis pri la problemo ke nia centrala organo aparas tro skarsa, fakte nur trifoye po yaro, e regretinde la revuo nur kontenas 16 pagini. Tale ne esas hazardo, ke en mea recenta CIRKULERO por la membri di nia Direktanta Komitato ca problemo esas importanta punto. Se vi lektos mea linei, la Cirkulero forsan ankore ne esas en la-manui di omna membri dil DK, ma ol esas ja en la manui di sdo. Jacques Bol. Quale sdo. Neves me opinionas ke Progreso devus aparar plu ofte, ad minime komence quarfoye po yaro. Nia chefa revuo fakte reflektas la situeso di nia movemento. Do, se nia chefrevuo esas plu impresiva por la publiko, anke l'opiniono dil publiko pri nia movemento esas plu favoroza por ni. Komprenende omno, quon skribis sdo. Jacques Bol, respondante a sdo. Neves, esas vera e korekta. Sdo. Bol facas ecelanta e meritoza laboro por nia movemento depos multa yari, e prezente fakte il sole facas la revuo. Il esas samtempe redaktero ed imprimisto e sorgas kune kun sdo. Franz Regnier por la distributo. Altri fakte nur sendas ad il artikli. Editar Progreso plu ofte, fakte esas ne simpla pro kauzi konocata: 1. Revuo demandas pekunio, ma la recevaji financala di nia nenombroza movemento ne suficas por adminime dumonatala edito dil revuo. 2. Nia meritoza redaktero ne plus esas yuna e ne disponas pri la povo korpala por ofte aparanta revuo. Sdo. Neves tre korekte vidas la problemi. Tre bona esas sua pro- pozi, respondizante la mesajo di Jacques Bol. Li esas konkreta e bona bazo anke por la diskuto en la DK. La problemo diskutesos anke dum nia konfero en Neviges komence di agosto. Fakto esas ke ni bezonas redaktala komisiono, ke ne nur un zeloza Idisto facas la tota laboro. Pro to me joyas pri la propozo di sdo. Neves ke il volas kunlaborar aktive. Maxim kordiale G. Anton guenter.anton@idolinguo.de - webmaster@idolinguo.de ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.eGroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 262 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 13152 invoked by uid 7770); 25 Apr 1999 19:50:17 -0000 Received: from mout0.01019freenet.de (194.97.109.116) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 25 Apr 1999 19:50:17 -0000 Received: from [194.97.109.112] (helo=mx0.01019freenet.de) by mout0.01019freenet.de with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #7) id 10bUuv-0007vE-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Sun, 25 Apr 1999 21:50:17 +0200 Received: from [212.81.173.19] (helo=www) by mx0.01019freenet.de with smtp (Exim 2.12 #7) id 10bUug-0004Jd-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Sun, 25 Apr 1999 21:50:02 +0200 Message-ID: <001901be8f54$6a2cd360$13ad51d4@www.fen.baynet.de> From: "Frank Kasper" To: "Idolisto (Mesaji)" Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 21:42:25 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Subject: [ido] Re: Letro da Guenter Anton /Trublado de mea e-postal-servo Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kara amiki! Samtempe kun ica mesajo vi recevos letro da Guenter Anton, quan lu adjuntis a letro, quan me recevis hodie de lu. Guenter Anton informis me, ke lu sustenas la projeto da Zeno krear novajgrupi che "Usenet". Pro to me intertempe votis por lu talrelate. Me tre esperas, ke vi omni standas bone e deziras a vi omni agreabla nova semano! Me devis laborar dum saturdio e dum sundio omnadie dum 12 hori e pro to nur havis poka tempo por interreta aferi. Tamen dum ta du tempi vere nula mesajo atingis nia Idolisto. Cetere mea e-postala adreso frank.kasper@idolinguo.de pro irga kauzo esas trublema e me devas supozar la sama de omna adresi kun la sufixo "idolinguo.de". Pro to me devas sendar la mesajo da Guenter Anton duesma foyo per altra e-postfako, per qua me samtempe membreskis che "Idolisto" til ke mea kustumala adreso itere funcionos. Do, esperante, ke la diskuti che "Idolisto" rivekigos dum la nova semano me volas finar mea mesajo!! Kun la maxim kordiala ed amikala saluti! Frank Kasper frank.kasper@01019freenet.de - webmaster@idolinguo.de ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.eGroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 263 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 13544 invoked by uid 7770); 25 Apr 1999 19:50:56 -0000 Received: from mc.egroups.com (207.138.41.138) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 25 Apr 1999 19:50:56 -0000 Received: from [10.1.2.5] by mc.egroups.com with NNFMP; 25 Apr 1999 19:48:07 -0000 From: thomw@webtv.net To: idolisto@egroups.com Subject: [ido] Re: Nula mesajo dum la tota semanofino Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain Subject: Re: [ido] Nula mesajo dum la tota semanofino X-Mailer: www.eGroups.com Message Poster MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 19:48:10 -0000 In-Reply-To: From: thomw@webtv.net To: idolisto@egroups.com Original Article: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/?start=260 > Content-Type: text/plain > Subject: Nula mesajo dum la tota semanofino > X-Mailer: www.eGroups.com Message Poster > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain > Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 19:30:39 -0000 > In-Reply-To: > From: frank.kasper@idolinguo.de > To: idolisto@egroups.com > > Kara amiki! > > Me devas konstatar, ke dum la tota semanofino nula mesajo atingis nia forumo. Quo eventis. Regretinde mem du mesaji dissendita da me ne atingis "Idolisto". > Me tre esperas, ke me balde itere povos regardar mesaji da Idolani! > > Kordiala saluti a vi omni! > > Frank Kasper > > Kar Frank; Ka mea antea afisho esas vere nur de nulo? Me skribis mea danki al idisti, e vidis olu quik pos. Me opinionas ke forsan vi ne vidis olu ante lor vi skribis vua afisho. Ne grava. Mi joyas audar de vu uletempe. Sincere vua Thom ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.eGroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 264 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 16435 invoked by uid 7770); 25 Apr 1999 19:57:36 -0000 Received: from mc.egroups.com (207.138.41.138) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 25 Apr 1999 19:57:36 -0000 Received: from [10.1.1.18] by mc.egroups.com with NNFMP; 25 Apr 1999 19:57:06 -0000 From: thomw@webtv.net To: idolisto@egroups.com Subject: [ido] Re: Nula mesajo dum la tota semanofino Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain Subject: Re: [ido] Nula mesajo dum la tota semanofino X-Mailer: www.eGroups.com Message Poster MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 19:57:05 -0000 In-Reply-To: From: thomw@webtv.net To: idolisto@egroups.com Original Article: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/?start=260 > Content-Type: text/plain > Subject: Nula mesajo dum la tota semanofino > X-Mailer: www.eGroups.com Message Poster > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain > Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 19:30:39 -0000 > In-Reply-To: > From: frank.kasper@idolinguo.de > To: idolisto@egroups.com > > Kara amiki! > > Me devas konstatar, ke dum la tota semanofino nula mesajo atingis nia forumo. Quo eventis. Regretinde mem du mesaji dissendita da me ne atingis "Idolisto". > Me tre esperas, ke me balde itere povos regardar mesaji da Idolani! > > Kordiala saluti a vi omni! > > Frank Kasper > > Kar Frank- Me anke dicas ke me recevis tre bonkordiala letro de Hans quo anke aperis je nia forumo. Me tre dankas lu pri olua granda helpo informigar me pri kelka idisti en Usa. Me sendis e-letri a Iorweth e ad esperantisto en Nederlando diskutante pri Ido. Vua Thom ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.eGroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 265 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 25952 invoked by uid 7770); 25 Apr 1999 21:42:39 -0000 Received: from mc.egroups.com (207.138.41.138) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 25 Apr 1999 21:42:39 -0000 Received: from [10.1.1.19] by mc.egroups.com with NNFMP; 25 Apr 1999 21:42:38 -0000 From: thomw@webtv.net To: idolisto@egroups.com Subject: [ido] Por quo...? Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain Subject: Por quo...? X-Mailer: www.eGroups.com Message Poster MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 21:42:38 -0000 In-Reply-To: From: thomw@webtv.net To: idolisto@egroups.com Saluti denove, I apologize for this being partly in English, ma mea savpovo di Ido ne sufichas por esprimar omni di mea demandi. Just a few things to ask about posting to IdoListo. unesme: Why does all the extra info re: adresses, etc. appear on "MY" posts and no one else's? And how do I avoid this? It may be because I am using WebTV; and its unique program may be acting differently than even Windows--which WebTV doesn't use, even though it is a Microsoft owned product. Also citations from earlier posts appear unreadable {black print in a dark blue box}. Again is this perhaps due to WebTV programing--does this appear on anyone else's IdoListo messages, ie when they view the messages on their own PC? --For those not aquainted with WebTV, it is not actually a computer, but a "simple" modem-type box with a small amount of memory that is connected to one's television an phone line. It comes packaged with many good features, [one being its very low price--less than $300] but it lacks, for now, the ability to use JAVA, so at present, I'm not able to use the chat room, unless it is listed or connected somehow to WebTV's Community Access. --I've only had this unit for 2 months, so I don't know how to solve this just now. I am far from being computer literate--even though I've lived in the Silicon Valley for over 10 years. This whole internet thing is very new to me. But I love it anyway, there is so much to explore and new friends to make here. duesme: Me votis "yes" pri la novajgrupo. Me ofte lektas soc.culture.esperanto e me esperegas ke ni idisti povos havar plu civilizema diskuti pri omna temi nam kelka esperantisti facas en ta diskuteyo. La plu bele civilizema afablaeso di Idolisto ed idisti tre enkuragigis me deskovrar e lernar plu pri Ido. Me tre dankas ad omni pro via tre kordiala bonveni al Idolisto. triesme: Me dankas "vi omni" [me devenas de Oklahoma, ube ni kutime dicas "ya'll" do ka vere ta uzado esas korekta por me?] :-) ?] me dankas pro via helpo en mea esforcado lernar la Internaciona Linguo. Por nun, me troveskas ke me unuesme pensas espe, e lore probas tradukar aden Ido. Do me demandas pardonon de omni se me foyfoye inkluszas espa vorti inter idala frazi. Me esforcos [skribar ta espa vorti en krampi por invitar korektado di mea erori pri uzado e stilo] til me povos komprar idala libri. (e certe pose anke) finale Me aprecus se omna idisti forsan povus skribar vua "profile" en la "profile-pagino", do me e omna idisto povas konoceskar omna altra. Me dankas vi pro via bonveni ad Idolisto, Vua kordiale Thom ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.eGroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 266 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 30698 invoked by uid 7770); 25 Apr 1999 21:55:33 -0000 Received: from farida.a2000.nl (HELO smtp1.a2000.nl) (62.108.1.19) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 25 Apr 1999 21:55:33 -0000 Received: from node118d7.a2000.nl ([24.132.24.215] helo=default) by smtp1.a2000.nl with smtp (Exim 2.02 #4) id 10bWs7-00052V-00; Sun, 25 Apr 1999 23:55:31 +0200 Message-ID: <001b01be8f67$0e7366c0$d7188418@default.a2000.nl> From: "Ido-Info" To: "idolisto" Cc: "Frank Kasper" Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 00:00:39 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Subject: [ido] mesaji recevita Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kara Frank, Thom ed altri, Me tre bone recevas omna mesaji del Idolisto, anke ta di Thom Wilkinson, ma ye sua mesaji efektive aparas multa pre-mesaji da la serverio. Kara Thom, me es absoluta nesavanto pri komputoral aferi, e do ne povos helpar vu solvar tala problemi. Me kontrolis l' adreso a qua vu sendas la mesaji, ma semblante to es bona. Frank, me recevis omna tua mesaji per Idolisto, anke kelka sendita dum ca semanofino, precipue da me, Thom Wilkinson ed Eric Dickens. Me konjektas ke altri es celebranta la semanofino exter la hemo, o forsan pasigas la semanofino sen komputoro, es posibla, ka ne? Se vere tu ne recevis ula mesajo, lore me timas ke tua komputoro es defekta. Por esar certa me anke sendos ca mesajo a tua privat adreso. Or, nun me iros dormar. Me devas levar me frue, morge. Saluti amikala, Hans St. ************************************************ Ido, linguo internaciona, absolute vizitez: http://members.tripod.com/~avancigado ************************************************ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.eGroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 267 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 1495 invoked by uid 7770); 25 Apr 1999 22:05:31 -0000 Received: from farida.a2000.nl (HELO smtp1.a2000.nl) (62.108.1.19) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 25 Apr 1999 22:05:31 -0000 Received: from node118d7.a2000.nl ([24.132.24.215] helo=default) by smtp1.a2000.nl with smtp (Exim 2.02 #4) id 10bX1m-0005cs-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 00:05:30 +0200 Message-ID: <001f01be8f68$735d07c0$d7188418@default.a2000.nl> From: "Ido-Info" To: "idolisto" Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 00:10:38 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Subject: [ido] lasta mesajeto Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Me bone povas lektar, t.e., per normala literi, l' elektronika letri di sioro Thom Wilkinson, ultre ke es pre-mesajizita da la serverio. Efektive, trovesas multa Esperantaji en vua mesaji, Thom, ma ne esez destranquila, ni korektigos vu e helpas vu Idigar vua pensado, se vu deziras. La propozon krear profilo di Idolisto-membri me tre multe prizas. Nur, me ne savas quale facar to. Certe esos tre utila se ni ne sempre itere bezonas introduktar ni. Es kustumo ke novo introduktas su, altri povas reaktar per skribar kelka linei pri su ipsa, ma me povas imaginar ke es tediva se on sempre repetas su pro omna nova membro. Do, voluntez explikar a ni quale 'profilifar'. Bona nokto, me rilektos la mesaji morge. Saluti amikala, Hans St. ************************************************ Ido, linguo internaciona, absolute vizitez: http://members.tripod.com/~avancigado ************************************************ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.eGroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 268 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 19959 invoked by uid 7770); 26 Apr 1999 00:20:33 -0000 Received: from mailsorter-105-1.iap.bryant.webtv.net (HELO mailsorter-105-1.bryant.webtv.net) (209.240.198.119) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 26 Apr 1999 00:20:33 -0000 Received: from postoffice-293.iap.bryant.webtv.net (postoffice-293.iap.bryant.webtv.net [209.240.198.32]) by mailsorter-105-1.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.8/ms.gso.08Dec97) with ESMTP id RAA20643; Sun, 25 Apr 1999 17:20:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from production@localhost) by postoffice-293.iap.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.8/po.gso.24Feb98) id RAA28510; Sun, 25 Apr 1999 17:20:33 -0700 (PDT) X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhRVSMBUM9hH+gwdz3gta8mcEwe87AIUHyDhbemTYmjqTXn45tBMOgkoDCI= From: thomw@webtv.net (Thom Wilkerson) Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 17:20:32 -0700 (PDT) To: idolisto@egroups.com Message-ID: <736-3723B150-274@postoffice-293.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Content-Disposition: Inline MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Subject: [ido] Ca esas testo #3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit me provas vidi qua esas la maxim bona maniero por postar afishi sur la Idolisto. Esas kelka maniero por ke me povas e-postigar. Espereble, me trovos la maxim bona balde. Thom ----------- Thom Wilkerson San Jose, CA ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.eGroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 269 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 19941 invoked by uid 7770); 26 Apr 1999 08:22:15 -0000 Received: from mout1.01019freenet.de (62.104.201.3) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 26 Apr 1999 08:22:15 -0000 Received: from [62.104.201.2] (helo=mx1.01019freenet.de) by mout1.01019freenet.de with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #7) id 10bgec-0000Xu-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 10:22:14 +0200 Received: from [212.81.175.217] (helo=www) by mx1.01019freenet.de with smtp (Exim 2.12 #7) id 10bgeW-0005Z3-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 10:22:09 +0200 Message-ID: <000a01be8fbd$7a979d20$d9af51d4@www.fen.baynet.de> From: "Frank Kasper" To: "Idolisto (Mesaji)" Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 10:13:23 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Subject: [ido] Re: Trublado de mea Ido-e-postfako Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kara amiki! Quale me ya informis vi hiere mea elektrona Ido-postfako adminime depos saturdio esas trublata. Hazarde me ne probis regardar ol en saturdio pro manko di tempo e konseque erste remarkis la trublado en sundio vespere pos ke me nek dum la frua matino nek dum la tarda vespero recevis ula mesajo mem ne la du mesaji, quan me ipsa sendis ad "Idolisto" ya en venerdio. Pro to me kontrolis l'arkivo dil "Idolisto" e mem ibe trovis nula nova mesajo sendita pos venerdio. Konseque me skribis la mesajo "Nula mesajo dum la tota semanofino" direte aden la mesaj-fenestro dil "Idolisto" e pose regardis la membrilisto, ube me trovis la vorto "bouncing" vice la vorto "active" dop mea e-postala adreso, qua signifikas, ke mea e-postfako prezente ne recevas mesaji. Konseque me quik membreskis ad "Idolisto" per duesma e-postala adreso. Ya kelka minuti pose me recevis ibe mesajo da nia nova amiko Thom Wilkerson, qua saveskis a me, ke lu sendis mesajo ad "Idolisto" dum la semanofino. Pos ke me quik respondis ca mesajo lu anke quik respondis e saveskis me, ke exemple anke Hans Stuifbergen sendis mesajo ad "Idolisto". Fine me unesme ankorfoye sendis mea du mesaji ad "Idolisto" e pose ankorfoye regardis l'arkivo, ube me nun trovis plusa mesaji sendita dum saturdio. Do, me devas konstatar, ke nia forumo anke dum la semanofino vivis, quan me ne quik povis remarkar pro la trublado de mea e-postala servo. Semblas, ke anke la servo di "Idolisto" adminime dum kurta tempo trublesis, por ke me dum mea unesma regardo dil arkivo trovis nula mesaji sendita pos venerdio e mem ne mea du mesaji ibe e dum mea duesma regardo omna mesaji inkluzite la mea trovesis ibe. Pro to me pregas via pardono, ke vi nun recevis la mesaji da Guenter Anton e da me dufoye!! Recente ya Jean Martignon dufoye sendis mesajo, ke la kontakto kun "Idolisto" semblante ne funcionas che lu, ma dop lua e-postala adreso on ne trovas la vorto "bouncing", ma la vorto "active", qua signifikas, ke lu devus recevar omna mesaji. Okazione me volas informar vi, ke la vorto "bouncing" anke trovesas dop la sequanta e-postala adresi: tromso_esperanto@hotmail.com omddi@mer1.uninet.net.mx e don_gasper@hongkong.com Semblas, ke anke ti membri ne recevas la mesaji sendita ad "Idolisto". Me pregus li, informar me, se li recevis ca mesajo ed eventuale membreskar per plusa e-postala adreso aden nia forumo, por ke li itere recevos nia mesaji. Do, me nun annkorfoye deziras a vi omni agreabla semano esperante, ke balde omni itere povos recevar nia mesaji!! Kun la maxim kordiala ed amikala saluti a vi omni! Frank Kasper frank.kasper@idolinguo.de - webmaster@idolinguo.de frank.kasper@01019freenet.de ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.eGroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 270 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 5269 invoked by uid 7770); 26 Apr 1999 09:14:21 -0000 Received: from mout1.01019freenet.de (62.104.201.3) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 26 Apr 1999 09:14:21 -0000 Received: from [194.97.109.112] (helo=mx0.01019freenet.de) by mout1.01019freenet.de with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #7) id 10bhT2-0001DE-02 for idolisto@egroups.com; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 11:14:20 +0200 Received: from [212.81.173.231] (helo=www) by mx0.01019freenet.de with smtp (Exim 2.12 #7) id 10bhSl-0001Yr-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 11:14:03 +0200 Message-ID: <001101be8fc4$bac09da0$e7ad51d4@www.fen.baynet.de> From: "Frank Kasper" To: "Idolisto (Mesaji)" Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 11:03:58 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Subject: [ido] Re: Propozo da nia amiko Thom Wilkerson Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kara amiki! Me kordialege dankas a nia amiko Thom Wikerson por lua mesaji e propozi ad "Idolisto". Me probis realigar lua propozo, ke omna idisti forsan povus skribar vua "profile" en la "profile-pagino", por ke lu ed omna idisto povas konoceskar omna altri. Me facis lo enirinte ad "Idolisto" per mea e-postala adreso frank.kasper@01019freenet.de qua ne esas registrata kam administrero dil "Idolisto". Pro to me ne povis apertar la "membro"-pagino, ube on trovas la posibleso enskribar la persona profili da omni, qua signifikas, ke nur l'administrero (momente ta esas Hans Stuifbergen e me) povas insertar la profili e fine anke regardar ol. Se nia amiko Thom trovis posibleso, quale omni povas insertar lia profili e fine anke povos regardar lo me pregas lu, saveskigar ni omni, quale on facez lo!! Fine me volas informar vi, ke me pro la duranta trublado de mea Ido-e-postfako modifikis lo aden transsend-postfako, qua signifikas, ke me ne plus povos sendar mesaji per ol ed omna mesaji atingota ta postfako automate transsendesos a mea e-postala adreso: frank.kasper@01019freenet.de qua esas mea chefa elektrona postfako de nun. Do, me nun erste itere regardos mea elektrona postfaki morge matine, por ke me devos laborar dum ca posdimezo. Kun la maxim kordiala ed amikala saluti a vi omni! Frank Kasper frank.kasper@idolinguo.de - webmaster@idolinguo.de ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.eGroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 271 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 16187 invoked by uid 7770); 26 Apr 1999 17:12:11 -0000 Received: from spartacus.a2000.nl (HELO smtp2.a2000.nl) (62.108.1.20) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 26 Apr 1999 17:12:11 -0000 Received: from node118d7.a2000.nl ([24.132.24.215] helo=default) by smtp2.a2000.nl with smtp (Exim 2.02 #4) id 10bovS-0005sB-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 19:12:10 +0200 Message-ID: <001b01be9008$a46875c0$d7188418@default.a2000.nl> From: "Ido-Info" To: "idolisto" Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 19:17:20 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Subject: [ido] Carlos Drummond de Andrade Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Kar amiki, yen poemeto da Carlos Drummond de Andrade, forsan konocata da Gon�alo Neves. Me tradukis la poemeto per dicionarieto e bilinguala (Portugalana-Nederlandana) edituro di "O amor natural" (L' amoro naturala), poemaro erotika. La tomon me kompris pos vidir l' ecelanta dokumentalo da Heddy Honigman, Nederlandana dokumentalisto. "Kad es flori kad es glutei" Kad es flori kad es glutei ca flori de arabeski laciva? Kad es glutei kad es flori ca glutei de dolceso e moleso vejetal? Saluti amikala, Hans St. ************************************************ Ido, linguo internaciona, absolute vizitez: http://members.tripod.com/~avancigado ************************************************ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.eGroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 272 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 11188 invoked by uid 7770); 26 Apr 1999 19:00:28 -0000 Received: from www.minitel.net (HELO gmailint1.globalmail.net) (193.252.91.17) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 26 Apr 1999 19:00:28 -0000 Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 21:00:28 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199904261900.VAA05202@gmailint1.globalmail.net> From: jeanmartignon@minitel.net (JEAN MARTIGNON) Reply-To: jeanmartignon@minitel.net To: idolisto@egroups.com (IDOLISTO) MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] Diversaji Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Kara cibernauti, Me demandas pardono pro mea eroro, ne esis por mea aparato la diskuto-forumo qua ne fucionis, ma me nur ne povas enirar la babil-buxo. Ito ne esas pleziva, ma to ne esas tre jenanta. Icavespere, me spektis che televiziono reportajo pri la tre probabla balda sendependeso di Skotia. Ito surprizis me , nam me ne povis kredar ke la Skoti volassendependeso. Lore anke probable Angliaabandonus Ulster, e la Walesani anke postulus sendependeso. Anglia divenus areale mikra lando ye 150 000 km2. Por kompensar, me propozas Uniono di Anglia kun Francia. Pro ke la Franci tre regretas neplus havar reji, la rejino di Anglia divenus anke rejino di Francia e la neyustajo qua facesis en 1328 kande la rejo diAnglia qua esis la vera heredanto dil trono di Francia refuzesis dal Franca nobelaro, lore efacesus. Unionita l'amba landi havus 700 000 km2 ed esus la superfacala duesma lando en Europa. Kun cirkume 110 000 000 de habitanti, ni esis la plu populizita lando dil Europana Uniono. Ed un ek le maxim richa. Kompreneble ni bezonus komuna linguo, ed ica linguo povus esar nur Ido. Lore, pose, pro ke la linguo komuna dil maxim importanta lando dil EU esus Ido, la tota komuneso adoptus nia idiomo kom oficala helpanta linguo di Europa. Bela revo kad ne ? Kun kordiala ciberspacala saluti. jeanmartignon@minitel.net ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.eGroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 273 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 22276 invoked by uid 7770); 26 Apr 1999 19:19:34 -0000 Received: from spartacus.a2000.nl (HELO smtp2.a2000.nl) (62.108.1.20) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 26 Apr 1999 19:19:34 -0000 Received: from node118d7.a2000.nl ([24.132.24.215] helo=default) by smtp2.a2000.nl with smtp (Exim 2.02 #4) id 10bquj-00027z-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 21:19:33 +0200 Message-ID: <002901be901a$7037b100$d7188418@default.a2000.nl> From: "Ido-Info" To: "idolisto" Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 20:59:01 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Subject: [ido] karto di kredito Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kar amiki, Ka vi rimemorez kande ni ankore parolis pri krear la posibleso pagar per karto di kredito, che nia Ido-librerii? Per hazardo me trovis, plu bone: a me sendesis reklamotexto pri pagar per karto di kredito per l' interreto. Me insertis la texto (Angla) en ca mesajo, forsan ke Usano (pro ula motivo me kredas ke es telefononumero Usana) povas telefonar la numero por informar su pri l' intenci di la reklamanto. Yen la texto: "Your business should be accepting Credit Cards from your customers! Over 97% of all sales on the internet are done with Credit Cards. Over 92% of mail-orders and telephone-orders are done with Credit Cards. If you don't take Credit Cards, 9 out of every 10 potential customers can't do business with you. We specialize in on-line businesses, mail-order and telephone order businesses, start-ups, in-home businesses as well as retail locations. In other words, we specialize in YOUR business. Call 805-288-2842 now, and in a few days, you'll be accepting Credit Cards. 805-288-2842." Se es bona kondicioni (li probable es komercala entreprezisti), lore forsan es pripensinda la posibleso. Adminime me es tre interesata por Editerio Tia Libro. Saluti amikala, Hans St. ************************************************ Ido, linguo internaciona, absolute vizitez: http://members.tripod.com/~avancigado ************************************************ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.eGroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 274 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 4061 invoked by uid 7770); 26 Apr 1999 19:45:45 -0000 Received: from out0.mx.skynet.be (195.238.2.35) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 26 Apr 1999 19:45:45 -0000 Received: from login.skynet.be (dialup66.wavre.skynet.be [195.238.10.66]) by out0.mx.skynet.be (8.9.3/odie-relay-v1.0) with ESMTP id VAA04154 for ; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 21:45:26 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199904261945.VAA04154@out0.mx.skynet.be> Reply-To: From: "BOL Jacques" To: "idolisto" Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 08:56:49 +0200 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] No Subject Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Wavre (Belgia) 26/04/99 Informi por THOM WILKERSON. La sola idisti konocata en USA,esas ti qui esas abonanta a la revuo oficala PROGRESO e qui pagas reguloze la yarala kontributo ad ULI (Uniono por la Linguo Internaciona, IDO); yen la listo: 1) Fred BROENING, 205 Essex Circle, Stephens City, Va 22655 2) Orval LIECHTY, 1337 Mission Avenue,Carmichael CA 95608 3) Bruce HUNTER, 7418 Daingerfield Dr, Dallas Tx 75227 9309 4) Edward STEVE,820, Glendalough Road, Erdenheim PA 19038 5) Thomas TODD, 3713 West Main, Kalamazoo, Michigan, 49006-2842 Adjuntenda : ta qua nomizas su: ZENO EXE , partoprenas en l'Idolisto ma di qua ni ne posedas l'adreso. Saluti Jacques Bol (editero di la revuo Progreso) jbol@skynet.be ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.eGroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 275 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 11902 invoked by uid 7770); 26 Apr 1999 22:05:04 -0000 Received: from mailsorter-105-2.iap.bryant.webtv.net (209.240.198.118) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 26 Apr 1999 22:05:04 -0000 Received: from postoffice-293.iap.bryant.webtv.net (postoffice-293.iap.bryant.webtv.net [209.240.198.32]) by mailsorter-105-2.iap.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.8/ms.gso.08Dec97) with ESMTP id PAA23781; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 15:05:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from production@localhost) by postoffice-293.iap.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.8/po.gso.24Feb98) id PAA12890; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 15:05:04 -0700 (PDT) X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhRhOhi3fylrBAOu+/ZAYCxLpurY9gIUI+Y7Npb1Si/XHZWGoYowKs+6RKs= From: thomw@webtv.net (Thom Wilkerson) Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 15:05:04 -0700 (PDT) To: idolisto@egroups.com Message-ID: <725-3724E310-13140@postoffice-293.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Content-Disposition: Inline MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Subject: [ido] Fwd: Me dankas sdo Hans ed omni Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=WebTV-Mail-1617220024-6477 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --WebTV-Mail-1617220024-6477 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" content-transfer-encoding: 7Bit content-type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Me sendis ca letro unisme ad idolist(sen necesa "o"].com, do lo ne aperis en la forumo. Me nun eseras ke me korektigis la eroro, e ca letro yese aperas ibe. Thom ----------- Thom Wilkerson San Jose, CA ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.eGroups.com - Simplifying group communications --WebTV-Mail-1617220024-6477-- From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 276 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 12938 invoked by uid 7770); 26 Apr 1999 22:07:06 -0000 Received: from mailsorter-105-1.iap.bryant.webtv.net (HELO mailsorter-105-1.bryant.webtv.net) (209.240.198.119) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 26 Apr 1999 22:07:06 -0000 Received: from postoffice-293.iap.bryant.webtv.net (postoffice-293.iap.bryant.webtv.net [209.240.198.32]) by mailsorter-105-1.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.8/ms.gso.08Dec97) with ESMTP id PAA20222; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 15:07:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from production@localhost) by postoffice-293.iap.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.8/po.gso.24Feb98) id PAA13168; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 15:07:06 -0700 (PDT) X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhQuRk4GifS8tc95Xgutvx56T6hwbwIUb3vT9MRphj4fV31katFiYAWpr4A= From: thomw@webtv.net (Thom Wilkerson) Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 15:07:06 -0700 (PDT) To: idolisto@egroups.com Message-ID: <725-3724E38A-13149@postoffice-293.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Content-Disposition: Inline MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Subject: [ido] Re: Fwd: Ca esas PROBO #3 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=WebTV-Mail-958657517-6482 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --WebTV-Mail-958657517-6482 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" content-transfer-encoding: 7Bit content-type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Videz sube por la sendita letro de e ad Hans Thom ----------- Thom Wilkerson San Jose, CA ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.eGroups.com - Simplifying group communications --WebTV-Mail-958657517-6482-- From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 277 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 13720 invoked by uid 7770); 26 Apr 1999 22:08:22 -0000 Received: from mailsorter-105-1.iap.bryant.webtv.net (HELO mailsorter-105-1.bryant.webtv.net) (209.240.198.119) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 26 Apr 1999 22:08:22 -0000 Received: from postoffice-293.iap.bryant.webtv.net (postoffice-293.iap.bryant.webtv.net [209.240.198.32]) by mailsorter-105-1.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.8/ms.gso.08Dec97) with ESMTP id PAA22132; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 15:08:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from production@localhost) by postoffice-293.iap.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.8/po.gso.24Feb98) id PAA13320; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 15:08:22 -0700 (PDT) X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhQnro8KaA1C7LFYFxqLcKDqWVF9qwIUL00GWVuimBflORjORFRKRyL9C18= From: thomw@webtv.net (Thom Wilkerson) Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 15:08:22 -0700 (PDT) To: idolisto@egroups.com Message-ID: <725-3724E3D6-13155@postoffice-293.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Content-Disposition: Inline MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Subject: [ido] Re: Fwd: Quale ESPELAR mea nomo Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=WebTV-Mail-1625638030-6485 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --WebTV-Mail-1625638030-6485 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" content-transfer-encoding: 7Bit content-type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Thom ----------- Thom Wilkerson San Jose, CA ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.eGroups.com - Simplifying group communications --WebTV-Mail-1625638030-6485-- From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 278 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 22816 invoked by uid 7770); 26 Apr 1999 22:25:16 -0000 Received: from mailsorter-105-2.iap.bryant.webtv.net (209.240.198.118) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 26 Apr 1999 22:25:16 -0000 Received: from postoffice-293.iap.bryant.webtv.net (postoffice-293.iap.bryant.webtv.net [209.240.198.32]) by mailsorter-105-2.iap.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.8/ms.gso.08Dec97) with ESMTP id PAA03886; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 15:25:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from production@localhost) by postoffice-293.iap.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.8/po.gso.24Feb98) id PAA15449; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 15:25:16 -0700 (PDT) X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhUAoXECu9IG1o6EzhU35WlphppnIs4CFBc/FziYpgl1T4PxTB9EDD8lYUZM From: thomw@webtv.net (Thom Wilkerson) Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 15:25:16 -0700 (PDT) To: idolisto@egroups.com Message-ID: <735-3724E7CC-590@postoffice-293.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Content-Disposition: Inline MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Subject: [ido] Forwarding a letter Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I apologize for writing this in English, but I'm too tired to write this in Ido at the moment., I discovered why some of the letters I send to "idolist@egroups.com" weren't appearing: I forgot the o at the end of idolisto. First problem solved. Second problem is that I find that I cannot forward letters that are sent to me to appear on the Idolist message page. My explanatory reason for forwading the letter appears, but not the letter itself. I had wanted to post the kind letter Hans sent me with the corrections he so helpfully provided. I also wanted to post my letter to him thanking him for his kindness. If I can solve this problem of forwarding, I will send those letters as well soon. Thom ----------- Thom Wilkerson San Jose, CA ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.eGroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 279 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 14955 invoked by uid 7770); 26 Apr 1999 23:13:31 -0000 Received: from mailsorter-105-2.iap.bryant.webtv.net (209.240.198.118) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 26 Apr 1999 23:13:31 -0000 Received: from postoffice-293.iap.bryant.webtv.net (postoffice-293.iap.bryant.webtv.net [209.240.198.32]) by mailsorter-105-2.iap.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.8/ms.gso.08Dec97) with ESMTP id QAA18250; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 16:13:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from production@localhost) by postoffice-293.iap.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.8/po.gso.24Feb98) id QAA22217; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 16:13:30 -0700 (PDT) X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhQFXAHQ+47EkuX+u7DsQXIRCzgtNwIVAIpDkQP1D2oD4zGnk4HHVYdeKnUz From: thomw@webtv.net (Thom Wilkerson) Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 16:13:30 -0700 (PDT) To: idolisto@egroups.com Message-ID: <723-3724F31A-17850@postoffice-293.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Content-Disposition: Inline MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Subject: [ido] Quale faracar personala "profile" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Me skribos ca en Ido, e lore en la angla por certar ke on komprenas mea informo. Ye la supro di la mesajala pagino estas redoza buxo nomesata "my space" < klikez > , lore klikez sur "user info", Sur ca pagino aperas kelka buxi "edit", klikez e lore plenigagez vua nomo, edc. At the top of the message page, is a small red box "my space" click on that. Then click on "user info" which will bring up your profile page. On his page are several places "edit" click on each in turn and fill in the information you wish others to know about you. [You may need to "log-in" somewhere along the line, Frank was kind enough to enter my name on the Idolist users list, so I don't even know my own password!] Ne gravesas. Me esperas ke ca esas helpoza por omni. Thom ----------- Thom Wilkerson San Jose, CA ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.eGroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 280 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 18699 invoked by uid 7770); 26 Apr 1999 23:20:40 -0000 Received: from mailsorter-105-2.iap.bryant.webtv.net (209.240.198.118) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 26 Apr 1999 23:20:40 -0000 Received: from postoffice-293.iap.bryant.webtv.net (postoffice-293.iap.bryant.webtv.net [209.240.198.32]) by mailsorter-105-2.iap.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.8/ms.gso.08Dec97) with ESMTP id QAA01769; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 16:20:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from production@localhost) by postoffice-293.iap.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.8/po.gso.24Feb98) id QAA23351; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 16:20:40 -0700 (PDT) X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhRjjmhO04YEhFw7Hxoux2aovNs5IwIUXhD+kQVvfonyJ2hfFA9eej6z+xc= From: thomw@webtv.net (Thom Wilkerson) Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 16:20:39 -0700 (PDT) To: idolisto@egroups.com Message-ID: <724-3724F4C7-15752@postoffice-293.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Content-Disposition: Inline MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Subject: [ido] Profiles Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit One last important item: After you add or edit any information on the profile page, be sure to click on the "apply" button each time at the bottom of the page before going on to the next set of information. Or...you can hit "cancel" if you change your mind or want to delete any nformation.. Thom ----------- Thom Wilkerson San Jose, CA ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.eGroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 281 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 23913 invoked by uid 7770); 27 Apr 1999 08:28:44 -0000 Received: from mout1.01019freenet.de (62.104.201.3) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 27 Apr 1999 08:28:44 -0000 Received: from [62.104.201.2] (helo=mx1.01019freenet.de) by mout1.01019freenet.de with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #7) id 10c3ER-000451-01; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 10:28:43 +0200 Received: from [212.81.174.246] (helo=www) by mx1.01019freenet.de with smtp (Exim 2.12 #7) id 10c3ED-0004Wv-00; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 10:28:29 +0200 Message-ID: <000801be9087$85c94f20$f6ae51d4@www.fen.baynet.de> From: "Frank Kasper" To: "Idolisto (Mesaji)" Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 10:10:26 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Subject: [ido] Re: Profili Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kara amiko Thom Wilkerson! Me kordialege dankas a vu pro vua informo, quale l'Idolistolani povas prizentar su che "Idolisto". Me devas konstatar, ke me ya facis lo komence de mea okupado kam administrero dil "Idolisto". Samtempe me devas saveskigar vu, ke la facita profilo da me nur esas lektebla da me ipsa, se me eniras ad idol per mea registrata adreso frank.kasper@idolinguo.de ,ma ne da altri. Ka vu ya sucesis trovar mea profilo? Se yes, voluntez saveskigar me, quale vu facis lo. Kun la maxim kordiala ed amikala saluti! Vua Germana amiko Frank frank.kasper@01019freenet.de ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.eGroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 282 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 23912 invoked by uid 7770); 27 Apr 1999 08:28:44 -0000 Received: from mout1.01019freenet.de (62.104.201.3) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 27 Apr 1999 08:28:44 -0000 Received: from [62.104.201.2] (helo=mx1.01019freenet.de) by mout1.01019freenet.de with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #7) id 10c3ER-000451-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 10:28:43 +0200 Received: from [212.81.174.246] (helo=www) by mx1.01019freenet.de with smtp (Exim 2.12 #7) id 10c3EE-0004Wv-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 10:28:30 +0200 Message-ID: <000901be9087$866986c0$f6ae51d4@www.fen.baynet.de> From: "Frank Kasper" To: "Idolisto (Mesaji)" Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 10:21:36 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Subject: [ido] Re: Mea e-postala adreso Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kara amiki! Kun grandega regreto me devas informar vi, ke mea e-postala adreso frank.kasper@idolinguo.de anke tri dii pos la komenco dil trublado ne itere funcionas. Me ya sendis plendo-mesajo a la servo. Pro la duranta trublado me desabonos ca adreso dil Idolisto. Me ya abonis mea altra e-postala adreso frank.kasper@01019freenet.de ad Idolisto ed anuncis lo kam administrero, por ke me durante povos administrar nia forumo. Omnakaze me pregas vi sendar mesaji a me persone, a Guenter Anton, Alfred Neussner ed ad omna altri, qui recevis da me e-postala adreso prenomo.nomo@idolinguo.de nur ankore a mea e-postala adreso frank.kasper@01019freenet.de . Me dankas a vi! Me esas kelke astonanta, ke nula Idolistolano havas ula opiniono koncerne la recenta komenti da la prezidanto dil ULI, Guenter Anton, quan me sendis dufoye ad Idolisto. Kun la maxim kordiala ed amikala saluti! Frank Kasper frank.kasper@01019freenet.de ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.eGroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 283 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 5284 invoked by uid 7770); 27 Apr 1999 09:59:33 -0000 Received: from mailsorter-105-2.iap.bryant.webtv.net (209.240.198.118) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 27 Apr 1999 09:59:33 -0000 Received: from postoffice-293.iap.bryant.webtv.net (postoffice-293.iap.bryant.webtv.net [209.240.198.32]) by mailsorter-105-2.iap.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.8/ms.gso.08Dec97) with ESMTP id CAA12640; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 02:59:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from production@localhost) by postoffice-293.iap.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.8/po.gso.24Feb98) id CAA25651; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 02:59:33 -0700 (PDT) X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhQX1nAz6Ywks5Vp/tEv6YU/JEP88AIVAK3KwCdIjZD3BvHqK/MLpvnSmgiR From: thomw@webtv.net (Thom Wilkerson) Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 02:59:33 -0700 (PDT) To: idolisto@egroups.com, frank.kasper@01019freenet.de Message-ID: <724-37258A85-18070@postoffice-293.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Content-Disposition: Inline MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Subject: [ido] Re: vua profilo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit yes, Frank, me troveskis vua profilo sen irga problemo. On nur neces[esk]as klik[ag]ar sur vua nomo en blua, apud vua nova adreso irgaloke ol aperas sur la mesajala pagino . Tamen kande me klikigis sur Quelle, nur aperas nulala pagino. Me [enkrampigas] ta vorti o parto di ti pri qui me ne tote cert[esk]as. Me mustas lernar plu pri quale uzagar -esk-, -ag-, e altra afixi. Me rilektos la pagini gramatika sur la reto [neto]. tamen nun esas 3a pos noktemezo hike e me mustas dormesos Idala/Espe- Mi tre bezonas "dicionarion". Nu, me dicis ke me intermiksos la lingvi :-0 Me ne deziras insultagar, [esas la 3a di kloko]??? me nur jokas. Vua Thom ----------- Thom Wilkerson San Jose, CA ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.eGroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 284 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 10068 invoked by uid 7770); 27 Apr 1999 10:10:30 -0000 Received: from mout1.01019freenet.de (62.104.201.3) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 27 Apr 1999 10:10:30 -0000 Received: from [194.97.109.112] (helo=mx0.01019freenet.de) by mout1.01019freenet.de with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #7) id 10c4ov-0004vN-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 12:10:29 +0200 Received: from [212.81.174.188] (helo=www) by mx0.01019freenet.de with smtp (Exim 2.12 #7) id 10c4os-0006l8-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 12:10:27 +0200 Message-ID: <000801be9095$c3ef0160$bcae51d4@www.fen.baynet.de> From: "Frank Kasper" To: "Idolisto (Mesaji)" Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 12:02:15 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Subject: [ido] Re: Ankorfoye komento relate persona profili da Idolistolani Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kara amiki! Me kompletigis mea persona profilo che "Idolisto" dum la recenta minuti. Pose me probis regardar lo enirinte ad "Idolisto" per altra e-postala adreso e pasvorto e fine sucesis regardar la profili da nia amiko Thom Wilkerson e da me. Pro to me volas saveskigar vi, quale on fine povas regardar l'insertita profili. Unesme on kreez sua propra profilo segun la recenta instruado da Thom kliktante sur "user info". Por atingar, ke omna membri povos lektar vua profilo on devez modifikar la lasta punto de ol tale, ke ol aspektas tale: Email Client: plain text only Profile: Fully visible to eGroup members Reminders: On, for web-only subscriptions Table Size: On atingas ca modifikajo kliktante sur "Edit" sup ca punto e selektar ca frazi helpe de la dardi dop la frazi. Fine on kliktez sur " Add changes" e future la profilo esos lektebla por omni. Se on volas regardar la profili d'altri on irez a la startpagino dil "Idolisto" e kliktez ibe sube sur la ligo:Top posting authors e lore apertesas listo kun l'e-postala adresi dil Idolistani, qui adminime unfoye sendis mesajo ad "Idolisto". Kliktante sur adreso markita ibe blukolore on atingas la persona profilo dil adresero. Do, me nun anke kordialege invitas vi omni insertar via persona profili aden nia "Idolisto". Se vi deziras vi anke povos insertar fotografuro de vi. Ca fotografuro antee devas aparigeskar sur TTT-tereno de vi. Lore enskribez dop la punto foto la TTT-adreso de vua tereno e la nomo dil indiko de vua fotografuro (exemple http://www.idolinguo.de/3568fe9.jpg , se l'indiko de vua fotografuro nomesus 3568fe9.jpg e situesus sur la tereno http://www.idolinguo.de/prizentajo.htm - on nur darfas enskribar la chefa adreso dil tereno sen sub-adreso ante la nomo dil indiko dil fotografuro.) Do, me tre esperas, ke on balde povos regardar la profili de multa Idolistani e precipue anke de la membri dil Diretanta Komitato dil ULI!! Se ulu bezonus plusa helpo voluntez kontaktar me. Me erste itere esos arivebla morge matine, por ke me ankorfoye devos laborar dum ca posdimezo. Kun la maxim kordiala ed amikala saluti a vi omni! Frank Kasper frank.kasper@01019freenet.de ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.eGroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 285 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 21577 invoked by uid 7770); 27 Apr 1999 14:00:13 -0000 Received: from f116.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (207.82.251.46) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 27 Apr 1999 14:00:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 24425 invoked by uid 0); 27 Apr 1999 14:00:39 -0000 Message-ID: <19990427140039.24424.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 195.161.9.13 by wy1lg.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 07:00:37 PDT From: "Mikhail Fedorchenko" To: idolisto@egroups.com Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 07:00:37 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] Ni konservez Ido korekta! Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Estimata sioro Gunter Anton, kara samideani, Recente me esis neagreable surprizita e deceptita lektir nia precipua revuo "Progreso". Me remarkis kelka gramatikal erori en ol! Me ipsa es komencanta idisto e certe komprenas ke nulu es perfekta, ma me tre prizas nia admirinda linguo, ed lo dolorigas me kande me vidas quale olu misuzesas. Me anke komprenas ke Ido kreesis por esar konstante pluperfektigita, ma me ne pensas ke rupto di precipua reguli es bona maniero por facar lo. Exemple sioro Gunter Anton skribis en sua artiklo "Ido-rekontro 1998 en Polonia" la sequanta: "Tamen arivis salutanta LETRI kun bona deziri por la rekontro EK plura landi di Europa ed EK USA." Tamen en "Kompleta gramatiko detaloza" klare skribesas: "Dicez : Me recevis LETRO DE Paris, NE EK Paris." Ultre: "EK = de interne ad extere di", "Per extenso naturala EK uzesas anke por indikar la materio di ula kozo (ek qua on imaginas, ke ol esas extraktita) : vazo EK oro; ma esas preferinda dicar : ora vazo.", ed "EK darfas uzesar metafore pro indikar objekto o mem ento apartenanta ad ensemblo, kolektajo (e quin on supozas extraktita ek olu), exemple pri relatanta superlativo : la maxim richa EK omni." Konseque esas anke nekorekta dicar exemple "Me es EK Murmansk." vice "Me es DE Murmansk." (Adminime se me es EN Murmansk ye la momento di dico.) Tala uzo dil prepoziciono EK forsan es Esperantala, ma ne Idala. Me anke penis saveskar ka onu devas mayuskulizar o minuskulizar la adjektivi derivita de nomi di landi. E me esis maxim surprizita vidar la amba varianti en la sama numero di "Progreso"! Ek "Kompleta gramatiko detaloza": "De li venas reguloze l'adjektivi Angla, Franca, Germana, Rusa, Sueda, Dana, Polona, Greka, Araba, Hispana, Skota, Lapona, Suisa." Konseque onu sempre devas mayuskulizar tala adjektivi. Me supozas ke se ni asertas ke ni havas komuna linguo, ni ne darfas uzar ol segunvole; ni devas sequar la reguli donita a ni da fondinti di nia linguo. Ni konservez Ido korekta! Me esos tre gratitudoza a vi se vi savigos a me irga erori quin vi sendubite remarkos en mea mesajo. Me ne es abonita al Idolisto, do voluntez skribar a me che . Kun la maxim amikala saluti, Mihail ______________________________________________________ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.eGroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 286 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 5442 invoked by uid 7770); 27 Apr 1999 19:31:29 -0000 Received: from www.minitel.net (HELO gmailint1.globalmail.net) (193.252.91.17) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 27 Apr 1999 19:31:29 -0000 Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 21:31:26 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199904271931.VAA00467@gmailint1.globalmail.net> From: jeanmartignon@minitel.net (JEAN MARTIGNON) Reply-To: jeanmartignon@minitel.net To: idolisto@egroups.com (IDOLISTO) MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] Gratitudo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Kara cibernauti, Me dankas s-ro Bol pro ilua indiko pri la nomi ed adresi dil Usana Idisti. Me ne savis ke li esas tante nombroza. Kande onu pensas ke en Europa, onu asertas ke la Usani tote ne interesesas pri lingui ! Kara s-ro Bol la interesato pri qua me parolis a vu esas s-ro Adam, do me supozas ke il kaptis nia adresi che l'inter-reto. Me esperas ke tandem uladie, ni sucesos atraktar Franci e Germani a nia movado. Hike, la vetero esas tre stranja ed onu havas l'impreso ke vera printempala vetero volas advenar. Quala esas la vetero en altra Europana landi ? En Francia til nun esis tre mala, griza e pluvoza vetero ed ito preske depos la monato Oktobro pasintayare ! Kun kordiala ciberspacala saluti ad omni. jeanmartignon@minitel.net ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.eGroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 287 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 2157 invoked by uid 7770); 27 Apr 1999 20:18:16 -0000 Received: from mail2.ip.pt (194.79.69.132) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 27 Apr 1999 20:18:16 -0000 Received: from clientec (pm-lx-8-16.net.ip.pt [195.23.96.144]) by mail2.ip.pt with ESMTP id VAA22594 for < idolisto@egroups.com>; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 21:18:22 +0100 (WEST) Message-Id: <199904272018.VAA22594@mail2.ip.pt> Reply-To: From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Gon=E7alo_Neves?=" To: "IDOLISTO" Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 20:59:26 +0200 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] Re: Carlos Drummond de Andrade Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Kara Hans, Carlos Drummond de Andrade es famoza poeto Brazilana. Regretinde me ankore ne konocas lua verkaro. Tamen mi prizas vua tradukuro de vidpunto stilal. Voluntez sendar a me la poemo originala, por ke mi analizez ol anke de vidpunto tradukal. Kun saluto kordial, Gon�alo Neves ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.eGroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 288 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 12450 invoked by uid 7770); 27 Apr 1999 20:34:02 -0000 Received: from spartacus.a2000.nl (HELO smtp2.a2000.nl) (62.108.1.20) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 27 Apr 1999 20:34:02 -0000 Received: from node118d7.a2000.nl ([24.132.24.215] helo=default) by smtp2.a2000.nl with smtp (Exim 2.02 #4) id 10cEYI-0007jz-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 22:33:58 +0200 Message-ID: <005101be90ee$01e8c200$d7188418@default.a2000.nl> From: "Ido-Info" To: "idolisto" Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 22:39:11 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Subject: [ido] Drummond de Andrade Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Kar amiko Gon�alo, bone, yen l' originalo (sen la tildo sur la 'a'): "Sao flores ou sao nalgas" Sao flores ou sao nalgas estas flores de lascivo arabesco? Sao nalgas ou sao flores estas nalgas de vegetal do�ura e macieza? Kar amiko Jean M., La vetero hike es ecelanta, quankam la vento povas esar kelke koldeta. Tamen, la suno montras su la tota jorno. Hike en Nederlando, omni es preparanta por la granda festodio okazione la naskodio di la rejino, la famoza "koninginnedag", venanta venerdio. Omni vendas sua ecesanta posedaji en la stradi, ye preci maxim chipa. Omni es gaya e multi metas vesti oranjea, segun la koloro di la familio rejala. Saluti de Amsterdam, Hans St. ************************************************ Ido, linguo internaciona, absolute vizitez: http://members.tripod.com/~avancigado ************************************************ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.eGroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 289 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 21244 invoked by uid 7770); 27 Apr 1999 20:47:49 -0000 Received: from spartacus.a2000.nl (HELO smtp2.a2000.nl) (62.108.1.20) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 27 Apr 1999 20:47:49 -0000 Received: from node118d7.a2000.nl ([24.132.24.215] helo=default) by smtp2.a2000.nl with smtp (Exim 2.02 #4) id 10cElb-00013C-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 22:47:43 +0200 Message-ID: <005701be90ef$ed812580$d7188418@default.a2000.nl> From: "Ido-Info" To: "idolisto" Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 22:52:56 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Subject: [ido] Altra poemo da Carlos Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit O.k., yen altra poemeto da Carlos Drummond de Andrade: "Sugar e sugesar dal amoro" Sugar e sugesar dal amoro sam-instante boko multivalenta la korpo du en un la juo plena quo ne apartenas a me nek apartenas a tu juo di fuzo difuza transfuzo la lekado la sugado e la sugeso en la sama spasmo omno es boko boko boko boko sisadek-e-non foyi bokilingo* *(C. Drummond de Andrade uzas hike la vorto "boquil�ngua", quan me tradukas per fingita vorto, ma tamen analoga a 'kunilingo' ed 'anilingo') Yen l' originalo: "Sugar e ser sugado pelo amor" Sugar e ser sugado pelo amor no mesmo instante boca milvalente o corpo dois em um o gozo pleno que nao pertence a mim nem te pertence um gozo de fusao difusa transfusao o lamer o chupar o ser chupado no mesmo espasmo � tudo boca boca boca boca sessenta e nove vezes boquil�ngua Juez, saluti amikala, Hans St. ************************************************ Ido, linguo internaciona, absolute vizitez: http://members.tripod.com/~avancigado ************************************************ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.eGroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 290 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 6157 invoked by uid 7770); 27 Apr 1999 23:09:34 -0000 Received: from mailsorter-105-2.iap.bryant.webtv.net (209.240.198.118) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 27 Apr 1999 23:09:34 -0000 Received: from postoffice-291.iap.bryant.webtv.net (postoffice-291.iap.bryant.webtv.net [209.240.198.24]) by mailsorter-105-2.iap.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.8/ms.gso.08Dec97) with ESMTP id QAA01693; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 16:09:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from production@localhost) by postoffice-291.iap.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.8/po.gso.24Feb98) id QAA05775; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 16:09:34 -0700 (PDT) X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhR+c4P5DuYYOIDS7KEVZDJbqFrIiAIUb5AEZz3WUHpfQ8hy2hP8XxNMsSM= From: thomw@webtv.net (Thom Wilkerson) Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 16:09:34 -0700 (PDT) To: idolisto@egroups.com Message-ID: <666-372643AE-15072@postoffice-291.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Content-Disposition: Inline MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Subject: [ido] Re: Fwd: vua profilo Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=WebTV-Mail-403988907-7489 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --WebTV-Mail-403988907-7489 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" content-transfer-encoding: 7Bit content-type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Me tre dankas Sdo Neves pro lua bonkordiala helpo pri mea erori en mea letro. Me opinias ke Espo forsan kripligis mea poveso lernar la idala nuntempe. Do me demandas pardono di omna idolistani por mea erori idale. Til me havas dicionario e libri di gramatiko, me esperas ke me povos sendar mea letro a idolistano qua tradukos olu de la angla aden la idala. Me certesas ke me ne deziras insultar o idolistani o la bela linguo Ido ipsa. Me kordiale dankas ad omna idolistani pro lia pacienco til me lernabos la idala plu bone. Thom ----------- Thom Wilkerson San Jose, CA ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.eGroups.com - Simplifying group communications --WebTV-Mail-403988907-7489-- From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 291 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 10624 invoked by uid 7770); 28 Apr 1999 05:30:43 -0000 Received: from www.minitel.net (HELO gmailint1.globalmail.net) (193.252.91.17) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 28 Apr 1999 05:30:43 -0000 Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 07:30:42 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199904280530.HAA17216@gmailint1.globalmail.net> From: jeanmartignon@minitel.net (JEAN MARTIGNON) Reply-To: jeanmartignon@minitel.net To: idolisto@egroups.com (IDOLISTO) MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] Lingui Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Kara cibernauti, Kara H. Stuifbergen quanta lingui vu savas ? Ciberspacala saluti. JM ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.eGroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 292 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 7756 invoked by uid 7770); 28 Apr 1999 09:34:42 -0000 Received: from farida.a2000.nl (HELO smtp1.a2000.nl) (62.108.1.19) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 28 Apr 1999 09:34:42 -0000 Received: from node118d7.a2000.nl ([24.132.24.215] helo=default) by smtp1.a2000.nl with smtp (Exim 2.02 #4) id 10cQjp-0000ax-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 11:34:41 +0200 Message-ID: <001301be915b$121d15a0$d7188418@default.a2000.nl> From: "Ido-Info" To: "idolisto" Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 11:39:53 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Subject: [ido] lingui ed artiklo Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Kar amiko Jean, Regretinde me ne savas tro multa lingui. Fluante: la Nederlandana, l' Angla, la Germana, min fluante ma tamen suficante por komprenigar me: la Hispana, la Franca, lektante me relative bone komprenas la Franca, la Hispana, l' Italiana e Portugalana, (vorti es rikonocebla sive pro mea kurso Hispana quan me regretinde ne finis, sive pro Ido, qua kontenas sat multe internaciona vorti). Ofte me trovesas en cirkli de amiki Hispana e pro to 'lernas' multe de li. Ulafoye me entamis su-studio dil Albaniana ma devis cesar pro tro desfacila strukturo di ta linguo. Nun me intencas 'probar' la Polona per helpo di sioro Jerzy Gralek de Warszawa e gramatikolibri. E, forsan, se la muzeo permisas a me, kun kolego me sequos kurso Japoniana por guidar turisti Japoniana, ma to ankore es afero necerta. Tamen, me savas de multa lingui nur kelka frazi o vorti por salutar personi o dankar homi od: en la muzeo ube me laboras, atencigar vizitanti ke "fotografar es permisita, nur sen fulgurar" ed "on ne darfas portar sako sur la dorso, nur en la manuo, (moyeno preventiva kontre acidenti)". Vere, on ne kredas quante homi es plezita per saluto en lia propra linguo, rideti abundas kande on salutas (od esforcas) dicar adminime un vorteto en linguo nacionala. Kar amiko Gon�alo, Pardonez me pro ne-decanta manieri, me obliviis konfirmar la recevo dil artiklo. Ol es grandioz artiklo, tre uzinda. Danko. Me anke probos uzar la literi Greka, se me deskovras quale transportar oli a mea propra Word-programo. Me joyas ke plezas a vu la poemeti da Carlos Drummond de Andrade. Sequas altra en sequanta mesajo. Saluti amikala, Hans St. ************************************************ Ido, linguo internaciona, absolute vizitez: http://members.tripod.com/~avancigado ************************************************ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.eGroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 293 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 13642 invoked by uid 7770); 28 Apr 1999 09:50:38 -0000 Received: from farida.a2000.nl (HELO smtp1.a2000.nl) (62.108.1.19) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 28 Apr 1999 09:50:38 -0000 Received: from node118d7.a2000.nl ([24.132.24.215] helo=default) by smtp1.a2000.nl with smtp (Exim 2.02 #4) id 10cQzF-0001d2-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 11:50:37 +0200 Message-ID: <001501be915d$4c047860$d7188418@default.a2000.nl> From: "Ido-Info" To: "idolisto" Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 11:55:50 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Subject: [ido] yen, altra poemeto da C. D.de A. Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit "La karno es trista pos felacio" La karno es trista pos felacio Pos posturo sisadek-e-non la karno es trista Ka sablo, la plezo? Kad es nulo plusa pos la tremo? Nur vartante, ye altra konvulso, altra plezo tante profunda en sembleso, ka tante plata en elektreso di la minuto? Ja diluteskas l' orgasmo en memoro e muko fluas lente ek tua vivo. (L' originalo) "A carne � triste depois da fela�ao" A carne � triste depois da fela�ao. Depois do sessenta-e-nove a carne � trista. � areia, o prazer? Nao h� mais nada ap�s esse tremor? S� esperar mais outra convulsao, outro prazer tao fundo na aparencia mas tao raso na eletricidade do minuto? J� se dilui o orgasmo na lembran�a o gosma escorre lentamente de tua vida. Saluti amikala, Hans St. ************************************************ Ido, linguo internaciona, absolute vizitez: http://members.tripod.com/~avancigado ************************************************ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.eGroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 294 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 17978 invoked by uid 7770); 28 Apr 1999 16:03:24 -0000 Received: from farida.a2000.nl (HELO smtp1.a2000.nl) (62.108.1.19) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 28 Apr 1999 16:03:24 -0000 Received: from node118d7.a2000.nl ([24.132.24.215] helo=default) by smtp1.a2000.nl with smtp (Exim 2.02 #4) id 10cWnv-00042V-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 18:03:19 +0200 Message-ID: <005201be9191$5e6f7200$d7188418@default.a2000.nl> From: "Ido-Info" To: "idolisto" Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 18:08:34 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Subject: [ido] profili e sedicii Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Pardonez me ke me ankore kreis profilo. La semano sequanta me okupas pri ta materio (di quale facar to). Hodie me esis skribinta multa letri ad amiki qui ne disponas komputoro, me esis tre tarda respondar lia letri. Efektive, limakatra posto es lenta, ka ne? Ka vi lektis pri la sedicii en Rotterdam, pos la vinko di la Kupo Nacionalo da Feyenoord, la futbaloklubo Rotterdamana? Ka Nederlando es l' unika lando ube l' adheranti di futbaloklubi sedicias pos konkursi? Saluti amikala, Hans St. ************************************************ Ido, linguo internaciona, absolute vizitez: http://members.tripod.com/~avancigado ************************************************ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.eGroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 295 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 20217 invoked by uid 7770); 28 Apr 1999 16:06:27 -0000 Received: from farida.a2000.nl (HELO smtp1.a2000.nl) (62.108.1.19) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 28 Apr 1999 16:06:27 -0000 Received: from node118d7.a2000.nl ([24.132.24.215] helo=default) by smtp1.a2000.nl with smtp (Exim 2.02 #4) id 10cWqw-0004Hv-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 18:06:26 +0200 Message-ID: <005801be9191$cd948260$d7188418@default.a2000.nl> From: "Ido-Info" To: "idolisto" Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 18:11:41 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Subject: [ido] eroreto Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit HoHoHo, pardonez me, me vizis: "Pardonez me ke me ankore NE kreis profilo." Hola, es tote altra signifiko, tante mikra vorto, ka ne? Saluti, Hans St. ************************************************ Ido, linguo internaciona, absolute vizitez: http://members.tripod.com/~avancigado ************************************************ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.eGroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 296 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 9816 invoked by uid 7770); 28 Apr 1999 17:33:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO epmsa001.ep.minsk.by) (194.226.122.227) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 28 Apr 1999 17:33:59 -0000 Received: by epmsa001.ep.minsk.by with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 20:32:25 +0300 Message-ID: <8D76D48EDDD3D211AC3000A0C98212E703A7B3@epmsa001.ep.minsk.by> From: "Dmitri P. Laptsionak" To: 'IDOLISTO' Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 20:32:25 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Subject: [ido] Profili ed babileyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1251" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Saluti Me shamas, ke me ankore ne salutis nova IdoList-ano, Thom Wilkerson. Do me anke kordiale invitas vu a nia lingua forumo. Esez plu multa tale aktiva idisti. Vu sendis al listo dum du semani plu di mesaji kam me dum tri monati! Ne esas necesa deslernar Esperanto - ol esas anke bona linguo. Ma pos kelka tempo Ido kom plu facila e logika remplasos ol en vua cerebro. Me nun apene povas korekte pozar omni dezinenci Esperantala. Danko a vu pro ideo skribar sua profilo en eGroups. Me ja longe volis propozar ulo simila. Me kelk-foye vizitis la babil-buxo che eGroups. Sempre parolis kun me singla e adiis. Por parolar ni mustas inter-konsentar pri tempo, kande on vizitez la buxo. Me tre prizis la bela revo da Jean Martignon pri kun-ligar Anglia e Francia. Ube me povas pozar mea aprobo? ;-) Ma pri to, ke Skotia volas sendependeso de Anglia, me esas preske certa. Same kam Irelando. Ka existas Idisti en la landi? Ni questionez a li. Me savas bone, quale mikra lando "bone" standas en "protektanta manui" di plu granda "frata" lando. Ka vu memoras quale rapide for-kuris respubliki de USSR? Nun nia prezidento (A. Lukashenko) tre laudas su ke ilu helpas a plu proxima integrado, ma poka Belarusi prizas la intergrado. Zmicier Lapcionak ------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.eGroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 297 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 7585 invoked by uid 7770); 28 Apr 1999 19:14:50 -0000 Received: from www.minitel.net (HELO gmailint1.globalmail.net) (193.252.91.17) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 28 Apr 1999 19:14:50 -0000 Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 21:14:49 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199904281914.VAA09714@gmailint1.globalmail.net> From: jeanmartignon@minitel.net (JEAN MARTIGNON) Reply-To: jeanmartignon@minitel.net (JEAN MARTIGNON) To: idolisto@egroups.com (IDOLISTO) MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] [Fwd: Profili e diversaji] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: jeanmartignon@minitel.net (JEAN MARTIGNON) Reply-To: jeanmartignon@minitel.net Received: from by with HTTP; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 19:58:24 +0200 Message-Id: <19990428195824@minitel.net> To: idolisto@egroups.com (IDOLISTO) Errors-To: jeanmartignon@minitel.net Subject: Profili e diversaji X-MinitelNet: LU MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Kara cibernauti, Mea mikra komputoratra aparato ne posibligas a me redaktar mea profilo en loko acesebla ad omni, me havas nulo por klikar. Do, kara Frank, me ne savas quale agar icarelate. En Francia esas grava problemo nun pri Korsika. Korsika esas kelkete Franca Kosovo, ibe mikra parto (cirkume 7 o 8%) deziras sendependeso. Ica nacionalisti ofte facas atenti kontre la publika edifici dil Franca guvernerio. Ica atenti esas tre poke sangifanta, ma la Franci es fatigita pri ca insulo, e multi aceptus la sendependeso di Korsika. Regretinde la plumulta Korsikani ne volas ica sendependeso, ne pro Franca patriotismo ma pro ke Korsika esas tre povra regiono. La Korsikani vivas sat bone danke la imposti dil kontinentala Franci. La situeso ne esus tre grava ibe, se la Korsikani, mem kande le ne volas sendependeso, esas solidara kun lia frati nacionalista Korsikani, nam la Korsikani havas klano-spirito. Do, tale la situeso divenas tre komplikita, quale en la Balkani, ma multe min sangifanta. La populo Franca, generale, bone aceptus la sendependeso di Korsika, ma ne la Franca guvernerio, qua absolute ne volas abandonar mem la maxim mikra parto dil teritorio segun la oficala principo di : la republiko una e nedividebla. La Franca guvernerio per tre nehabila intrigi explozigis tre recente albergo apartenanta a Korsikana nacionalisto. Ma la policani qui facis ica misagado deskovresis da altra policani e nun la afero esas difuzita omnube da la "media"-i. Ico esas vera skandalo, la jurnalisti e la partisi dil opozo dicas : Quo, ica guvernerio asertas esar virtuoza, ed ol organizigas atenti ? Ni ne bezonis tala krizo dum militala tempo. Pri sedicii, yes me spektis che televiziono quo eventis en Rotterdam. Ni havas simila situeso en la departmento Seine Saint Denis, ube yuna Araba ed Afrikana enmigranti sedicias e ruptas omno ye singla futbal-"match". Ito esas rutino, e mem se ito ne plezas a la homi onu kustumeskas pri lo e ne audacas plendar pro ke onu ne volas esar akuzata pri rasismo e xenofobio e konseque severe punisata. La strado-bubachi darfas agar segunvole, li esas nulatempe punisata. En mea quartero, la post-oficeyo esis incendiata ye la pasinta semano-fino. Onu bone savas ti qui agis lo, ma li ne esos punisata, nam kande li kaptesas, la judiciisti quik liberigas oli. Ni, nur esas populo de serfi submisata a la maligna e stulta deziri di lua mastri. Malgre omno, me sendas a vi mea maxim kordiala saluti ciberspacal. jeanmartignon@minitel.net ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.eGroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 298 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 25662 invoked by uid 7770); 28 Apr 1999 19:44:25 -0000 Received: from web4.rocketmail.com (205.180.57.78) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 28 Apr 1999 19:44:25 -0000 Message-ID: <19990428194244.24646.rocketmail@web4.rocketmail.com> Received: from [206.167.80.240] by web4; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 12:42:44 PDT Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 12:42:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Lavalea Marteno To: idolisto@egroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] Nova pagino da sioro NEVES Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kar amiki, Maxim joye me povas anuncar la aparo di nova pagino pri Ido en la portugala linguo qua esas ad http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/8009/idolinguo/Portugal/ido.html Me sincerege dankas sioro Gon�alo NEVES laborir tante multe por ica texto. Tra ica traduko en la linguo di Portugalia e Brazilia, multi nun povos konocar la linguo internaciona ed olua distinta traiti. Maxim amike vin salutas Martin ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.eGroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 299 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 32505 invoked by uid 7770); 28 Apr 1999 22:40:38 -0000 Received: from mail2.ip.pt (194.79.69.132) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 28 Apr 1999 22:40:38 -0000 Received: from clientec (pm-lx-9-07.net.ip.pt [195.23.96.199]) by mail2.ip.pt with ESMTP id XAA02404 for < idolisto@egroups.com>; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 23:40:42 +0100 (WEST) Message-Id: <199904282240.XAA02404@mail2.ip.pt> Reply-To: From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Gon=E7alo_Neves?=" To: "IDOLISTO" Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 22:42:13 +0200 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] Me indignas! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Kara Hans, Hodie me recevis la unesma cayara numero di "Ido-Saluto!". Mea komenca entuziasmo pro la bona qualeso e richa kontenajo dil revuo quik bremsagesis pro konstatir ke un de mea artikli ("La reji dil cervi") subisis neexpektata censuro. Yen konduto quan me kustumeskabis en medio Esperantal ma tote ne expektis hike. Mea artiklin me ne skribas irge, me sorge ponderas e kriblagas omna vorti dum verkifar, por ke la lektero recevez juo maxim granda e mem kelka instrukto. Evidente me ne es perfekta nek neeroriva. Me dankas omna kritiki e propozi por plubonigo. Tamen me ne povas tolerar ke on atentez mea texti ed enduktez en li erori qui ne trovesis ibe. Yen: Me skribis "Ne es yusta raptar la filii _de_ matro" e vu chanjis a "Ne es yusta raptar la filii _di_ matro". Ita _de_ ne es hazardal. Me uzis ol intence. On raptas filii _de_ matro same kam on raptas filii _de_ domo, civitani _de_ lando e tale pluse. To esas un ek la legimita senci di "de". Hike ol markizas la origino, la departo-punto, ne la aparteneso, quan evidente expresus la prepoziciono "di". Do vu igis me expresar quon me ne volis expresar. Me skribis "ne chasar plus" e vu Esperantatre chanjis a "ne plu chasar". Eroro. "Plus" e "plu" ne havas la sama signifiko. On povas legimite dicar sive "ne plus chasar", sive "ne pluse chasar", sive "ne chasar plus", sive "ne chasar pluse", ma nultempe "ne plu chasar". Dyer docas to tre bone. Me savas ke "ne plus -ar" es plu ofta kam "ne -ar plus", ma me elektis "ne chasar plus" pro motivi eufonial. Samkriterie me elektis "onu nomizas" vice "on nomizas" en mea altra artiklo publisita en la sama numero di "Ido-Saluto!" Koncernesas ya la sama esforco ponderar e kriblagar omna elementi. Me skribis "ja de tro longe" e vu chanjis a "ja depos tro longe". Eroro. "De pos" (ne "depos", segun Dyer) esas uzinda nur kande ol avaniras konkreta evento o bone determinita tempo-punto, por expresar ago o stando qua duras de lore. Exemple: "de pos la milito me kustumas amar la olima enemiko"; "de pos la lasta exameno me ne prizas mea docero". Kande ne koncernesas konkreta evento o bone determinita tempo-punto, es uzinda "de" vice "de pos". Exemple: de kande vu studias Ido? (ne "de pos kande"!) de longe me studias ol. de tre longe me studias ol. de tro longe me studias ol. ja de tro longe me studias ol. "de pos longe" esas ridinda ed absurda, nam ne existas en la tempo ula marko nomata "longe", de pos qua on povus agar ulo. Ma ne finas hike la plendi. Vu chanjis dufoye mea "uldie" a "uladie". "Uladie" ne es eroroza, evidente, ma anke "uldie" ne es tala. Amba es korekta linguale e stilale. La "ul" de "uldie" es evidente la adjektivo "ula" kun elizionita "a". Samkriterie on darfas formacar amaso de vorti en Ido: "ulsorta", "samtempe", "nultempe" edc, sempre kande l' eufonio posibligas lo. Evidente me nultempe dicus "altrtempe" vice "altratempe", pro motivi eufonial, ma "uldie" es ne nur facile pronuncebla ma mem tre bela. Me finos per "me judikos vu ne kom bestio, ma kom homo", quan vu substitucis a mea "me judikos vu ne kom bestion, ma quale homon". Hike me dankas vu pro la chanjo, nam la frazo divenis plu simpla e plu naturala. Tamen mea frazo ne esis eroroza. La cervo ne esas homo, do la rejo volis judikar lu _quale_ homo, ne _kom_ bestio (nam lu esis ya bestio). Pluse, itasorta uzon dil akuzativo legitimigas la instrukto da Dyer (relate "quale" e "kom") e da Beaufront (nur relate "quale"). Konkluze: quankam capunte vu sucesis plubeligar mea texto, vu tamen ne darfas agar lo sen avertir me. Same pri "un de la reji", quan vu substitucis a mea "unu de la reji". La frazo divenis plu bela (do me dankas vu pro la chanjo), ma vu ne darfas agar lo, nam anke "unu" es vorto Esperantal e preske samsignifika kam "un", do on darfas dicar anke "unu ek la reji". Nun me devas ripensar mea plusa verkifemeso por "Ido-Saluto!". Se me ne ricevos garantio ke ico ne iteresos, me mustas (quankam kun granda regreto) ne nur ne _plus_ artiklifar por ica revuo, ma mem retrotirar la artiklo jus sendita. Me demandas pardono se mea tono hika ule ofensis vu, ma ne prizas celar mea sentimenti, sive kande me devas laudar, sive kande me mustar reprimandar. Kordiale (quankam indignoze) me salutas vu, Gon�alo Neves ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.eGroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 300 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 19522 invoked by uid 7770); 29 Apr 1999 02:22:10 -0000 Received: from mailsorter-105-2.iap.bryant.webtv.net (209.240.198.118) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 29 Apr 1999 02:22:10 -0000 Received: from postoffice-293.iap.bryant.webtv.net (postoffice-293.iap.bryant.webtv.net [209.240.198.32]) by mailsorter-105-2.iap.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.8/ms.gso.08Dec97) with ESMTP id TAA09830; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 19:21:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from production@localhost) by postoffice-293.iap.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.8/po.gso.24Feb98) id TAA19521; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 19:21:43 -0700 (PDT) X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhUAgDYuGPq+sHTaTsj566jI/3AuEKwCFCJVMsZ8G18XGLy7hM7NuEkx5I8p From: thomw@webtv.net (Thom Wilkerson) Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 19:21:43 -0700 (PDT) To: lavaleo@my-dejanews.com (Martin), idolisto@egroups.com Message-ID: <14165-3727C237-1267@postoffice-293.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Content-Disposition: Inline MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Subject: [ido] Re: Fundamentalismo en Esperantujo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Saluti ad mea amiko idala Me dankas vu pro vua vorti en sce pri mea letro. Me oblivias ka esis vua letro a sce e vua signaturo qua unisme interesis me pri Ido. Me skribis a idolisto e tre goyas pri lerni "mea nova linguo" Tamen, multa esperantisti komdamis me pro mea sugesti. Me esperas ke me ne kauzas ula destranquileso en Idala rondo pri mea letro en sce. Me agnoskas ke me ne havas "rajton*" por inflamar sce pri sugestas reformi en Espo. [ Mi pardonpetas, sed mia lernado sen idala libri ne sufichas, do mi dauras en espo] Fakte, mi ne antauvidis kian problemon au teruran malamon ekzisitis inter esp-itsoj pri reformoj al espo mem. Mi estas tro/tre naiva pri tiuj temoj. Denove, mi petegas pardonon se mi kauzas ian maltrankvilighon. Por mi, ambau espo kaj Ido estas nur hobioj por amuzigi min. Mi nun komprenas, ke por multaj, Internaci(on)a Linguo estas religia afero, kaj mi nur sugestis ke tro multaj en la nuntempa mondo mort(ig)as pro religiaj kredoj kaj lingvo ia devas ne estas kauzon de tia malameco . Sincere vua Thom ----------- Thom Wilkerson San Jose, CA ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.eGroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 301 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 14404 invoked by uid 7770); 29 Apr 1999 11:28:46 -0000 Received: from search.egroups.com (HELO search.findmail.com) (207.138.41.144) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 29 Apr 1999 11:28:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 2740 invoked by uid 7770); 29 Apr 1999 11:28:46 -0000 Received: from www.minitel.net (HELO gmailint1.globalmail.net) (193.252.91.17) by search.egroups.com with SMTP; 29 Apr 1999 11:28:46 -0000 Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 13:23:41 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199904291123.NAA16730@gmailint1.globalmail.net> From: jeanmartignon@minitel.net (JEAN MARTIGNON) To: idolisto@egroups.com (IDOLISTO) Reply-To: jeanmartignon@minitel.net Errors-To: jeanmartignon@minitel.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] Profili e diversaji Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Kara cibernauti, Mea mikra komputoratra aparato ne posibligas a me redaktar mea profilo en loko acesebla ad omni, me havas nulo por klikar. Do, kara Frank, me ne savas quale agar icarelate. En Francia esas grava problemo nun pri Korsika. Korsika esas kelkete Franca Kosovo, ibe mikra parto (cirkume 7 o 8%) deziras sendependeso. Ica nacionalisti ofte facas atenti kontre la publika edifici dil Franca guvernerio. Ica atenti esas tre poke sangifanta, ma la Franci es fatigita pri ca insulo, e multi aceptus la sendependeso di Korsika. Regretinde la plumulta Korsikani ne volas ica sendependeso, ne pro Franca patriotismo ma pro ke Korsika esas tre povra regiono. La Korsikani vivas sat bone danke la imposti dil kontinentala Franci. La situeso ne esus tre grava ibe, se la Korsikani, mem kande le ne volas sendependeso, esas solidara kun lia frati nacionalista Korsikani, nam la Korsikani havas klano-spirito. Do, tale la situeso divenas tre komplikita, quale en la Balkani, ma multe min sangifanta. La populo Franca, generale, bone aceptus la sendependeso di Korsika, ma ne la Franca guvernerio, qua absolute ne volas abandonar mem la maxim mikra parto dil teritorio segun la oficala principo di : la republiko una e nedividebla. La Franca guvernerio per tre nehabila intrigi explozigis tre recente albergo apartenanta a Korsikana nacionalisto. Ma la policani qui facis ica misagado deskovresis da altra policani e nun la afero esas difuzita omnube da la "media"-i. Ico esas vera skandalo, la jurnalisti e la partisi dil opozo dicas : Quo, ica guvernerio asertas esar virtuoza, ed ol organizigas atenti ? Ni ne bezonis tala krizo dum militala tempo. Pri sedicii, yes me spektis che televiziono quo eventis en Rotterdam. Ni havas simila situeso en la departmento Seine Saint Denis, ube yuna Araba ed Afrikana enmigranti sedicias e ruptas omno ye singla futbal-"match". Ito esas rutino, e mem se ito ne plezas a la homi onu kustumeskas pri lo e ne audacas plendar pro ke onu ne volas esar akuzata pri rasismo e xenofobio e konseque severe punisata. La strado-bubachi darfas agar segunvole, li esas nulatempe punisata. En mea quartero, la post-oficeyo esis incendiata ye la pasinta semano-fino. Onu bone savas ti qui agis lo, ma li ne esos punisata, nam kande li kaptesas, la judiciisti quik liberigas oli. Ni, nur esas populo de serfi submisata a la maligna e stulta deziri di lua mastri. Malgre omno, me sendas a vi mea maxim kordiala saluti ciberspacal. jeanmartignon@minitel.net ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.eGroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 302 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 11799 invoked by uid 7770); 29 Apr 1999 17:40:50 -0000 Received: from gilliam.vip.uk.com (194.176.218.1) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 29 Apr 1999 17:40:50 -0000 Received: from default (VIP-202-215.vip.uk.com [194.176.202.215]) by gilliam.vip.uk.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id SAA25190 for ; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 18:40:41 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <001101be9266$6c322e20$d7cab0c2@default> From: "wood" To: Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 18:31:26 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Subject: [ido] Ido Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000E_01BE926E.7D8E7AE0" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01BE926E.7D8E77AE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Kar Idisti Me pensas ke multa homi ne aceptos tro longa vorti kun mult afix= i. Kompreno dependas de bona texto. Es facila trovar 'erori' en Progreso. = Mea-opinione, la kauzo es en la sistemo ipsa. Ido ne es perfekta. Amikala = saluti Tom Wood --------------------------------------------------------= ---------------- eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/group/idolisto http://= www.eGroups.com - Simplifying group communications ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01BE926E.7D8E77AE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable content-type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1"
Kar Idisti
Me pensas ke multa homi ne a= ceptos tro longa vorti kun mult afixi.  Kompreno
Es fac= ila trovar 'erori' en Progreso. Mea-opinione, la kauzo es en la sistemo ip= sa.
Ido ne es perfekta.
Amikala saluti
Tom Wood
 
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------=_NextPart_000_000E_01BE926E.7D8E77AE0-- From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 303 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 18625 invoked by uid 7770); 29 Apr 1999 20:53:36 -0000 Received: from farida.a2000.nl (HELO smtp1.a2000.nl) (62.108.1.19) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 29 Apr 1999 20:53:36 -0000 Received: from node118d7.a2000.nl ([24.132.24.215] helo=default) by smtp1.a2000.nl with smtp (Exim 2.02 #4) id 10cxnr-0005fr-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 22:53:03 +0200 Message-ID: <004b01be9283$02ff2800$d7188418@default.a2000.nl> From: "Ido-Info" To: "idolisto" Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 22:53:24 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Subject: [ido] exkuzi sincera Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Kar amiki, kar amiko Gon�alo Neves, Me pregas a vu aceptar mea exkuzi pro alterar vua texti. Quo eventis es lo sequanta: Me transskribas omna texti manuale aden la komputoro e mea kompozoprogramo. Texti livrita e-postale esos plu facile transportebla per simpla klavagi. Ma, kande la pagini di Ido-Saluti es kompozita, me imprimas la pagini e sendas oli a sioro Alfred Neussner, por esar korektigata. Il nur lektas la texti sen antea savo dil originala texti e substrekizas l' "erori" segun lua kompreno o nekompreno di la texti. Normala proceduro es ke, efektive, l' autoro originala di la texto es konsultata pri la propozita korektiguri, ma anke regretinde, pro ke multafoye la texti sendesas a me per tradicionala posto, e letrala diskutado es tre tempivora, sioro Alfred Neussner e me korektigas la texti segun propra judiko. Til nun nulatempe ni recevis plendi pri korektiguri o chanjita texti. Ka to signifikas ke l' autori ne esez konsultata pri la korektiguri? No, absolute ne. Tamen, nun per moyeni tante rapida, quale e-posto, la posibleso kontaktar l' autoro originala es multe plu facila, do mea exkuzo falas for. Ka cenzuro? Me dubitas qualifiko tala. Ni ne intencis celar irgo, pro quo ni facus? Es nulo cenzurinda, ka ne?! Ma se nia agi similesis tala, itere, mea maxim sincer exkuzi pro la tot afero, me promisas ke ne itere eventos, certe ne se l' autoro es tante rapide konsultebla. Me tre aprecias vua metodo di laborado, verkifado e deziras traktar ol kun respekto. Vu es justa, es tre bona ponderar e kriblagar la vorti por efektigar efiko. Anke, yes, povas esar ke me ipsa chanjis "uldie", "ulsorta", "samtempe" edc. aden 'uladie', 'ulasorta', 'samatempe' edc. pro ke me multe plu prizas ta formi, ma me to facis nekonciante. No, juste pro ke me ipsa sempre skribas oli kun -a-, to chanjesis. Tamen, amba formi es korekta, ed singlu uzez la formo preferata, me respektas ta preferi. Kar amiko, se me promisas future erste kontaktar vu, ed altra autori pri korektiguri, ka vu es komplezanta pardonar a me ca neplezanta modo di ago? Maxim kordiale salutante vu, Hans St. ************************************************ Ido, linguo internaciona, absolute vizitez: http://members.tripod.com/~avancigado ************************************************ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.eGroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 304 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 8656 invoked by uid 7770); 29 Apr 1999 21:34:43 -0000 Received: from mail2.ip.pt (194.79.69.132) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 29 Apr 1999 21:34:43 -0000 Received: from clientec (pm-lx-8-20.net.ip.pt [195.23.96.148]) by mail2.ip.pt with ESMTP id WAA00225 for < idolisto@egroups.com>; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 22:34:48 +0100 (WEST) Message-Id: <199904292134.WAA00225@mail2.ip.pt> Reply-To: From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Gon=E7alo_Neves?=" To: "IDOLISTO" Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 22:17:56 +0200 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] Adavane! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Kar amiko Hans, La afero es obliviita, nun ni irez adavane, ni difuzez ed uzez ica linguo tante bela, qua donas a ni libereso dum pensar e dum krear. Me gratulas vu pro vua esforci redaktal e vua kapableso aparigar du revui ed akurate efektigar tanta taski. Anke vua reakto pruvas ke vu esas homo tre respektinda. Me recente lektis la longa "Odo a Couturat" da Juste. Qual maestroverko! Me rekomendas ol ad omni, precipue kande on splinas o kande on sentas dubiti pri la perfekteso di Ido. Bonega remedio! Kordiale, Gon�alo Neves ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.eGroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 305 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 5617 invoked by uid 7770); 29 Apr 1999 22:28:56 -0000 Received: from farida.a2000.nl (HELO smtp1.a2000.nl) (62.108.1.19) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 29 Apr 1999 22:28:56 -0000 Received: from node118d7.a2000.nl ([24.132.24.215] helo=default) by smtp1.a2000.nl with smtp (Exim 2.02 #4) id 10czId-0003JQ-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 00:28:55 +0200 Message-ID: <005f01be9290$68380400$d7188418@default.a2000.nl> From: "Ido-Info" To: "idolisto" Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 00:34:13 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Subject: [ido] Adavane! Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Kar amiko Gon�alo, Danko pro vua vorti, Gon�alo. Yes, anke me lektis "Odo a Couturat" da A. Juste. Lor mea unesma lektado me tre astonigesis pro l' ecelanteso di la poemo. A. Juste esis grandioza talento. Saluti amikala, Hans St. ************************************************ Ido, linguo internaciona, absolute vizitez: http://members.tripod.com/~avancigado ************************************************ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.eGroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 306 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 5705 invoked by uid 7770); 30 Apr 1999 00:39:20 -0000 Received: from web4.rocketmail.com (205.180.57.78) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 30 Apr 1999 00:39:20 -0000 Message-ID: <19990430003740.2046.rocketmail@web4.rocketmail.com> Received: from [206.167.80.240] by web4; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 17:37:40 PDT Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 17:37:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Martin Reply-To: idolinguo@geocities.com To: idolisto@egroups.com Cc: esperantomarten@hotmail.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] La rolo di futura interlinguo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kar amiki, Me recente recevis ica interesiva artiklo da sioro James Chandler. Yen do ol: La rolo di futura interlinguo La moto di Volapuk esis �ad un homaro, un linguo�. Jespersen rekomendis adoptar kontree ta da Bollack: duesma linguo ad omni; e catempe interlinguisti semblas sempre preferar ca lasta formulo. Do ni divenabas min ambicioza pri la projetata rolo di futura sucesinta interlinguo: ni certe ne intencas ke ol remplasez la nacionala lingui. Interesanta questiono es, se ula nacionala linguo (exemple la angla) esus ankore vaste difuzita en la mondo kande interlinguo esus adoptat, quagrade la nova interlinguo suplantus la dominacanta nacionala linguo en lua rolo kom internaciona linguo? Uli forsan questionos, quante valorus adoptar interlinguo, se neapta nacionala linguo durus esar uzata. Ma forsan komence esus necesa, e mem dezirinda ne insistar pri exkluziva uzo di interlinguo. Ol povus stacar apud la regnanta nacionala linguo dum kelka tempo, se ol havus la ofical suporto di ula internaciona organizuro, exemple la Unionita Nacioni. Lua rolo dum ta tempo ne esus servar kom unika linguo internaciona, ma provizar auxiliara moyeno por ti qui ne konocus sate bone la nacionala linguo. Esas fakte tre posibla, ke takaze on konstatus la vera extenso di nekonoco di la supozata �internaciona� nacionala linguo. Forsan on esus astonata da la populareso di la nova komuniko-moyeno. Imaginez, ke on povus provizar informi per la moderna medii en la interlinguo, apud la nacionala linguo: per radio, televiziono ed interreto. Vere bone konstruktita interlinguo, abundanta ye regulozeso, kun klara e simpla fonologio* (1) e fidebla konekto inter sono ed espelo, esus tre acesebla a homi di omna parti di la mondo; sorgoze selektita internaciona vortaro kapabligus la interlinguo atingar linguo-grupi mem til la slava landi e Rusia; anke multa afrikani. Esas interesanta observar en la nova medio dil interreto, ke situi kun informo intencita por internaciona publiko, exemple ti pri internaciona politiko o sportal konkursi, ofras informo en nur mikra nombro di lingui, kelkafoye nur l'angla e la franca. Me pensis pri la nombro di interesati qui povus profitar per informi en interlinguo pos nur kurta studio di lua precipua treti* (2). Tamen kompreneble esus multa angla-parolanta germani, skandinaviani ed altri qui probable preferus recevar informi en l'angla, pro ke por ti l'angla esus plu facila. Posibla efekto di introduktar interlinguo apud nacionala linguo, esus ke l'altra granda nacionala lingui riganus populareso, pro ke on ne timus ne povar komunikar, se on ne konsakrus omna sua tempo a studiar la dominacanta nacionala linguo. Tale tempo esus liberigata por studiar altra nacionala lingui. Ica konsideri duktas a la konkluzo, ke se interlinguo esus ultempe adoptata apud nacionala linguo (dum la �regno� di nacionala linguo), ol probable diplasus ta linguo pos kelka tempo. Kondicione ke utila informi esus disponebla per l'interlinguo, lua populareso e lernebleso donus ad ol avantajo super la nacionala linguo; to kombinita kun augmentanta intereso pri altra nacionala lingui gradale diminutus la tillora influo di la nacionala linguo. Omnakaze, l'introdukto di interlinguo plenigus la existanta brechi en la mondala linguo-situaciono*, e to es la skopo por qua ni laboras. James Chandler (1) La son-sistemo di la linguo (2) �Traito� semblas esar eroro, nam la fonto-formi es A trait (pronuncata [trei(t)], F trait (pronuncata [tre]), P tra�o, I tratto. Me do propozas �treto�, ma �trato� anke esus aceptebla. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.eGroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 307 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 24069 invoked by uid 7770); 30 Apr 1999 15:25:52 -0000 Received: from lince.lander.es (195.76.46.35) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 30 Apr 1999 15:25:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 11222 invoked from network); 30 Apr 1999 15:25:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ppp-48-187.lander.es) (195.76.48.51) by lince.lander.es with SMTP; 30 Apr 1999 15:25:21 -0000 X-Sender: joser@lince.lander.es X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 To: idolisto@egroups.com From: "j.m.rodriguez" Subject: [ido] Riabono en idolisto Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kara HANS e FRANK: Yen demando a Vi, kom administreri dil Ido-listo. Me recevis komunikajo da Sioro Mariano Echevarria Braga de Mexikia, il lerneskis la linguo internacional e pro to abonis al antea idolisto, ta qua administresis James Chandler. Ma, depos la paso dil idisti ek ta listo a ca nova che egroups, il recevis nulo. Ka Vi pov riabonar amiko Echevarria Braga aden la nova ido-listo. Yen ilua adreso: marechbra@mexico.com Multa danki. Recevez Saluti de Hispania Jose Maria Rodriguez Hernandez joser@lander.es ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.eGroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 308 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 25688 invoked by uid 7770); 30 Apr 1999 15:28:29 -0000 Received: from web4.rocketmail.com (205.180.57.78) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 30 Apr 1999 15:28:29 -0000 Message-ID: <19990430152649.12282.rocketmail@web4.rocketmail.com> Received: from [206.167.80.240] by web4; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 08:26:49 PDT Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 08:26:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Martin Reply-To: idolinguo@geocities.com To: thomw@webtv.net Cc: idolisto@egroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] Fundamentalismo en Esperantia Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kar sioro Thom Wilkerson Maxim joye me vidis la arivo di nova amiko de San Jose, Kalifornia, en la idolingua forumo. Me pregas vu abonar Ido-revui quale Progreso, Letro Internaciona, Ido-Saluto!, La Kordiego Geyal e, se ico esas posibla, anke komprar libri de la Ido Book Service en Anglia o de la Germana Ido-Societo. Jean Martignon povos indikar a vu quale facar ico. Vu efektigas nula destranquileso en Idala rondo pro vua letri en . Vu skribis ica saja vorti: �Linguo esas religioza kozo, e me nur sugestis ke tro multi en la nuntempa mondo mort(ig)as pro religioza kredi, e lingui ya devas ne esar kauzo di ica odio�. Me perfekte konsentas kun vu. Idisti luktas por avancigado dil ideo dil linguo internaciona, e me esas felica esar vua kunhelpanto. Vua kunlaboro esas tre grava: la Uniono por la Linguo Internaciona (Ido) certe volunte aceptos irga kontributo quan vu povos facar por ol. Sincere vua Martin ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.eGroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 309 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 31886 invoked by uid 7770); 30 Apr 1999 19:28:46 -0000 Received: from mailsorter-105-2.iap.bryant.webtv.net (209.240.198.118) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 30 Apr 1999 19:28:46 -0000 Received: from postoffice-291.iap.bryant.webtv.net (postoffice-291.iap.bryant.webtv.net [209.240.198.24]) by mailsorter-105-2.iap.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.8/ms.gso.08Dec97) with ESMTP id MAA04081; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 12:28:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from production@localhost) by postoffice-291.iap.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.8/po.gso.24Feb98) id MAA18738; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 12:28:46 -0700 (PDT) X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhQhEclbC9stW9JMDBQlEaU+Yxf4mwIUIUoGJkw9PrnXADFfLmalUgET/nA= From: thomw@webtv.net (Thom Wilkerson) Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 12:28:46 -0700 (PDT) To: idolisto@egroups.com, esperantomarten@rocketmail.com Message-ID: <14922-372A046E-11802@postoffice-291.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Content-Disposition: Inline MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Subject: [ido] Me goyus kontributor ad Idolisto ed omna altra idala rondi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kara Martin e omna idolistani: Me komprenas ke me es vere bonvenigita novulo a "Idio" e me dankas omna idisti pro via kordiala bonveno. Me petas pardono pro quo ke la sequanta es en la anglala e ne idala. I would be most willing to offer any thoughts or contributions to "Progreso!" or other Ido forums. However, please bear in mind, that I am NOT a linguist, nor very proficient in Esperanto or, most certainly, in Ido, as yet. My knowledge of the issues involved in linguistics or the development and/or the reforms concerning any "international language system" is from the perspective of someone whose understanding of such issues is that of a "komencanto eternala". [In other words, please don't expect me to be an authority, ---my opinions are just that, my opinions, certainly not based on years of study or research] Ido, for me, is an wonderful development in the history of planned languages and I am most happy to learn and use it. I am rankled when [some] Esperantists advise me that Espo has no need of the reforms promoted by the Idist community. But then, part of my initial interest in Esperanto [as well as Ido ] is its perceived status [ by most English-speakers ] as an "underdog" or "lost cause". Neither of which I believe to be true for Espo OR Ido. The internet is changing the world, and it will change the way all of us communicate. I believe, both Espo and Ido will have their rightful place in this "new world" I, personally, see, or hope to see, Ido taking the role of a "vernacular" form of Esperanto, more useful for daily, ease of use communiction. Whereas Esperanto, perhaps with its devotion to its more "strict" use of accusatives, etc, will be used for more "formal" essays, etc. When absolute clarity [according to some esperantists] seems to be needed. Similar to the use of Latin in the days of Isaac Newton. Again, let me reiterate, that I am not a linguist, and these are only the thoughts of a "casual" observer...I would, of course, appreciate the thoughts of my more knowledgable fellow citizens of "Linguo Internacionio" from both "Idisti" and "Esperantistoj" Sincere vua, thom san jose, ca ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.eGroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 310 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 1495 invoked by uid 7770); 1 May 1999 01:29:01 -0000 Received: from mail1.chek.com (208.197.227.56) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 1 May 1999 01:29:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 26784 invoked from network); 1 May 1999 01:31:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web2.chek.com) (208.197.227.39) by mail1.chek.com with SMTP; 1 May 1999 01:31:21 -0000 Received: (from nobody@localhost) by web2.chek.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id VAA18634; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 21:25:50 -0400 Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 21:25:50 -0400 Message-Id: <199905010125.VAA18634@web2.chek.com> From: "Mariano Echeverr�a-Braga" To: idolisto@egroups.com Subject: [ido] Re:You have been added to idolisto Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On "eGroups.com Manager" wrote: >This is the eGroups.com service. > >You have been added to the idolisto@egroups.com group >by the group's moderator: frank.kasper@idolinguo.de > >Here is a welcome message provided by frank.kasper@idolinguo.de: > >------------------ >************ WELCOME! ************ >************ BONVENO! ************ > >Your name has been added to Idolisto, the mailing list for the international language Ido. You will now receive all messages that are sent to the list. > >Vua nomo adjuntesis ad Idolisto, la posto-listo por la linguo internaciona Ido. Vu recevos nun omna mesaji qui sendesas a la listo. > >This list is primarily for communication in and on Ido. >Messages in national languages are acceptable, but members should make an effort to write in Ido wherever possible. Communication in other IALs (Esperanto, Interlingua, Novial etc.) is strongly discouraged. Mailing lists exist for these languages - information can generally be found at the relevant Web sites. This list is NOT for the discussion of the relative merits of other IALs - a list AUXLANG exists for this purpose. > >Ica listo esas precipue por komunikado en e pri Ido. >Mesaji en nacionala lingui esas aceptebla, ma membri devas esforcar skribar en Ido kande esas posibla. >Komunikado en altra LIA-i (Esperanto, Interlingua, Novial e.c.) esas forte deskonsilata. Posto-listi existas por ta lingui - informo povas generale trovesar ye la relatanta reto-tereni. Ica listo NE esas por la diskuto di la relativa meriti di altra LIA-i - listo AUXLANG existas por ta skopo. > >To send a message to the list, use the address: > idolisto@egroups.com >To unsubscribe, send an empty message to: > idolisto-unsubscribe@egroups.com >To resubscribe, send an empty message to: > idolisto-subscribe@egroups.com >Archives, list description and member list can be >obtained on the web at: >http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto > >Por sendar mesajo a la listo, uzez la adreso: > idolisto@egroups.com >Por desabonar, sendez vakua mesajo a: > idolisto-unsubscribe@egroups.com >Por riabonar, sendez vakua mesajo a: > idolisto-subscribe@egroups.com > >L'arkivi, listo-deskripturo e listo di membri povas esar obtenata ye la reto che: >http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto > >There are two main sources of Ido information on the >internet: >The Official Ido Website: http://users.aol.com/idolinguo >The Ido Homepage: http://yi.com/home/ChandlerJames >At these sites you can find news, courses, grammars, >vocabularies, articles, poems, history and general >information on and in Ido. English is also used on these pages. > >Esas du chefa fonti di idala informo ye la interreto: >La oficala Ido reto-tereno: http://users.aol.com/idolinguo >La Ido-hempagino: http://yi.com/home/ChandlerJames >Ye ta tereni vu povas trovar novaji, kursi, gramatiki, >vortari, artikli, poemi, historio e general informo pri >ed en Ido. > >If you need textbooks, dictionaries or books in Ido, these can be obtained relatively cheaply from all over the world from the Ido Book Service. Write to: The Ido Book Service, 44 Woodville Road, Cardiff, CF2 4EB, UK. > >Se vu bezonas lernolibri, vortari o libri en Ido, ti povas obtenesar relative chipe de la tota mondo de la Ido Libro-servo. Skribez ad: Ido Libro-servo, 44 Woodville Road, Cardiff, CF2 4EB, UK. > >Finally, new members are encouraged to send a message to the list soon after joining, in order to introduce >themselves to other members, and to give any information they may wish to give about themselves and their interests. We hope you enjoy your time on the Idolisto mailing list. > >Fine, nova membri kurajigesas sendar mesajo a la listo >balde pos abonar, por introduktar su ad altra membri, e >por donar irga informo quan forsan li deziras donar pri su ipsa e sua interesi. >Ni esperas ke vu juos vua tempo ye la posto-listo Idolisto. > >***** Ido - la linguo por la interreto ***** > >James Chandler - 11ma aprilo 1997 > 19ma marto 1999 > > >------------------ > >If you do not want to be a member of this group, you can instantly >remove yourself simply by replying to this message. Use the "Reply" >function of your e-mail program and send us back a blank message. > >Please direct any comments or questions about the group or your >subscription to the group moderator: > > frank.kasper@idolinguo.de > idolisto-owner@egroups.com > >eGroups.com asks group moderators to make sure they add no one to >their group who might not want to be. If you believe this policy has >been violated, please notify us at abuse@egroups.com. > >You can receive group messages in your e-mail in-box or read them on >the Web at: > > http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto > >If you have questions about the group, please contact the group >moderator at idolisto-owner@egroups.com. > >If you have other questions, please visit > > http://www.egroups.com/info/help.html > >Welcome! > >The eGroups.com Team >--- >FREE Web-based e-mail groups! >http://www.egroups.com > > > Thanks for accepting me into the list. I have been trying to learn Esperanto since about 2 year ago, but the correlatives are very difficult. Now I have some books from the Ido Service Books and the cassete. I hope very soon to write to the list in Ido. If somebody wish to write to me, my postal address is: Mariano Echeverr�a Braga Calle 67 No. 425-B x 32 y 34 Centro 97000 M�rida, Yucat�n MEXICO. Thanks very much for your kind attention Registrate y obten un correo gratuito, seguro y de por vida en: http://www.mexico.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.eGroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 311 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 6474 invoked by uid 7770); 2 May 1999 06:15:20 -0000 Received: from www.minitel.net (HELO gmailint1.globalmail.net) (193.252.91.17) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 2 May 1999 06:15:20 -0000 Date: Sun, 2 May 1999 08:15:19 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199905020615.IAA18067@gmailint1.globalmail.net> From: jeanmartignon@minitel.net (JEAN MARTIGNON) Reply-To: jeanmartignon@minitel.net (JEAN MARTIGNON) To: idolisto@egroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] 1ma Mayo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Kara samideani cibernauti, Hodie esas la unesma mayo dio di la labor-festo. En Francia, quale en multa landi me konjektas, ol esas festo-dio e la homi ne laboras. En Paris icadie esas defili de sindikati e de politika partisi. Omnube enstrade onu disvendas maiflori e preske singlu kompras mikra buketi o stipeti de maiflori. La maiflori komprita icadie e quin onu ofras a familiani od amiki havas la reputeso esar fortunigili. Por la anciena Kelti, ica dio esis la festo di Beltaine t.e. la festo dil rinaskanta naturo dil arbori e planti. Do, la unesma mayo havas longa tradiciono dop su en Europa. Onu kredas abandonir la anciena dei, ma li rinaskas altramaniere... Kun kordiala ciberspacala saluti. jeanmartignon@minitel.net ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.eGroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 312 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 7746 invoked by uid 7770); 2 May 1999 08:49:53 -0000 Received: from www.minitel.net (HELO gmailint1.globalmail.net) (193.252.91.17) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 2 May 1999 08:49:53 -0000 Date: Sun, 2 May 1999 10:49:52 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199905020849.KAA05647@gmailint1.globalmail.net> From: jeanmartignon@minitel.net (JEAN MARTIGNON) Reply-To: jeanmartignon@minitel.net To: idolisto@egroups.com (IDOLISTO) MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] La Etruski Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Kara cibernauti, La deveno de la Etruska populo konsideresas ofte kom misterioza. Nun segun revuo historiala quan me lektis recente, yuna historiisto opinionas ke la Etruski esas de Thraka-Iliriana deveno e tale li esus la kuzi dil anciena Greki. Interesiva kad ne ? Saluti. JM ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.eGroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 313 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 5162 invoked by uid 7770); 2 May 1999 18:33:46 -0000 Received: from www.minitel.net (HELO gmailint2.globalmail.net) (193.252.91.18) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 2 May 1999 18:33:45 -0000 Date: Sun, 2 May 1999 20:33:45 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199905021833.UAA19130@gmailint2.globalmail.net> From: jeanmartignon@minitel.net (JEAN MARTIGNON) Reply-To: jeanmartignon@minitel.net (JEAN MARTIGNON) To: idolisto@egroups.com (IDOLISTO) MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] [Fwd: Radotaji] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from mail.agl.fr (netra.agl.fr [194.51.117.1]) by gmailint1.globalmail.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA09654 for Jeanmartignon@minitel.net; Sun, 2 May 1999 20:29:48 +0200 (MET DST) From: Exterterano@xmail.org Message-Id: <199905021829.UAA09654@gmailint1.globalmail.net> To: Jeanmartignon@minitel.net Date: Sun, 02 May 1999 20:27:31 GMT Subject: Radotaji X-MinitelNet: LU Estimata samideani, Pro ke ne aparas multa mesaji hike, me nun sendas kelka radotaji. La vetero divenis vere printempala en Francia nun ube me spionadas la Terani, me esperas ke esas same por vi en vua diversa Terana regioni. Padre Pio esas nun divenanta santulo dil katolika Eklezio. Il esas extreme populara en Italia, la santi havas la reputeso facar mirakli. Ni devus pregar Padre Pio por la sucesoza difuzado di nia kara linguo. Recente en Rusia multa ikoni dil Deala matro ploris tre abundante. Kande ulo tala eventas, ico signifikas ke granda katastrofo esas balda. Kan nova mondo-milito o granda kataklismo ? Til nun la ploranta ikoni nulatempe eroris ed ito es kelke pavoriganta. Esas nun granda expozado en Al Kaira, chefurbo di Egiptia. Ka la Angli di London ne timas subisar bale nov atenti ? Exterterana saluti samideana. E.T. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.eGroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 314 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 29391 invoked by uid 7770); 2 May 1999 19:03:24 -0000 Received: from spartacus.a2000.nl (HELO smtp2.a2000.nl) (62.108.1.20) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 2 May 1999 19:03:24 -0000 Received: from node118d7.a2000.nl ([24.132.24.215] helo=default) by smtp2.a2000.nl with smtp (Exim 2.02 #4) id 10e1WM-0007IK-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Sun, 2 May 1999 21:03:22 +0200 Message-ID: <000901be94cf$33598b00$d7188418@default.a2000.nl> From: "Ido-Info" To: "idolisto" Date: Sun, 2 May 1999 21:08:44 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Subject: [ido] Exterterani Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kar amiki, Me gratulas l' Italiani pro la santigo di Pia Patro. Adminime, es beatifiko, ka ne, fazo ante la santigo? Ye la televiziono me anke audis kelka originala Angla parolanti, do, me supozas ke anke exter Italia la Pia Patro es famoza. Adjuntante al auguranta vorti di Jean Martignon, hiere me audis en korto hundi aboyar, mem ulular. Li interinstigis su. Ka hundi ululanta anke ne pre-avertas katastrofi? Nur, pri quo es expozo en Al Kaira (ka Kairo?). Me tre tresayis pro l' atenti en London. Es stranja, on parolas pri la kondutacho di la Serbi kontre altra populi, ma mem en l' ocidento on ne semblas esar kapabla vivar ensemble en paco. Pro quo ne? Me esperas ke l' ikoni di Rusia eroras e lakrimifas pro intenca feliceso, pro balda futurala paco, omnaloke. Saluti amikala, Hans St. ************************************************ Ido, linguo internaciona, absolute vizitez: http://members.tripod.com/~avancigado ************************************************ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.eGroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 315 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 3058 invoked by uid 7770); 2 May 1999 19:10:22 -0000 Received: from spartacus.a2000.nl (HELO smtp2.a2000.nl) (62.108.1.20) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 2 May 1999 19:10:22 -0000 Received: from node118d7.a2000.nl ([24.132.24.215] helo=default) by smtp2.a2000.nl with smtp (Exim 2.02 #4) id 10e1d7-00003g-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Sun, 2 May 1999 21:10:21 +0200 Message-ID: <000d01be94d0$2d45a540$d7188418@default.a2000.nl> From: "Ido-Info" To: "idolisto" Date: Sun, 2 May 1999 21:15:44 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Subject: [ido] Esez bon-venanta, sioro Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Kara sioro Mariano Echeverr�a-Braga, Esez bon-venanta che Idolisto ed Ido. Me tre esperas ke vu trovos kontenteso per Ido, ed mult amiki. Ulafoye me vizitis vua lando, e tre juis la lando, peizajo, e precipue la tre afabla populo Mexikana. Me ankore savuras la memorajo di la voyajo. Me vizitis Yucatan: Cancun, Tulum e Chetumal, pose me travoyajis Mexikia per autobuso e vizitis mult altra urbi. Se vu havas questioni pri Ido-linguo, ne hezitez questionar li, ni volunte vu helpos. Saluti amikala, Hans St. ************************************************ Ido, linguo internaciona, absolute vizitez: http://members.tripod.com/~avancigado ************************************************ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.eGroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 316 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 11729 invoked by uid 7770); 2 May 1999 19:20:08 -0000 Received: from spartacus.a2000.nl (HELO smtp2.a2000.nl) (62.108.1.20) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 2 May 1999 19:20:08 -0000 Received: from node118d7.a2000.nl ([24.132.24.215] helo=default) by smtp2.a2000.nl with smtp (Exim 2.02 #4) id 10e1mY-0000s1-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Sun, 2 May 1999 21:20:06 +0200 Message-ID: <001301be94d1$89edeea0$d7188418@default.a2000.nl> From: "Ido-Info" To: "idolisto" Date: Sun, 2 May 1999 21:25:29 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Subject: [ido] artikli por la revui Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Kar amiko Thom Wilkerson, Ne sentez vu obligata skribar por la revuo e certe ne pri linguistiko. Nur kande on deziras skribar pri interlinguistiko, on skribez pri to, altre, nur pri irga temo quan interesas a vu. Do, nur skribez se vu havas ulo mencioninda, saviginda, e ne pro obligo, ma pro deziro. Me havas questioneto por vu, ka vu, kom habitanto di San Jos�, savas la Hispana? Ka San Jos� ne es tre proxim la frontiero di Mexikia? Ka la Hispana es fako obligita en la skoli, ibe, che vu? Saluti amikala, Hans St. ************************************************ Ido, linguo internaciona, absolute vizitez: http://members.tripod.com/~avancigado ************************************************ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.eGroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 317 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 1248 invoked by uid 7770); 2 May 1999 20:48:44 -0000 Received: from mailsorter-105-1.iap.bryant.webtv.net (HELO mailsorter-105-1.bryant.webtv.net) (209.240.198.119) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 2 May 1999 20:48:44 -0000 Received: from postoffice-291.iap.bryant.webtv.net (postoffice-291.iap.bryant.webtv.net [209.240.198.24]) by mailsorter-105-1.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.8/ms.gso.08Dec97) with ESMTP id NAA06099; Sun, 2 May 1999 13:48:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from production@localhost) by postoffice-291.iap.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.8/po.gso.24Feb98) id NAA09963; Sun, 2 May 1999 13:48:45 -0700 (PDT) X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhUAq4T9EruCXOdzavmkK7zWqQUx4cACFF6qob0lJzxhhDN6pawYaxp+h4Mp From: thomw@webtv.net (Thom Wilkerson) Date: Sun, 2 May 1999 13:48:45 -0700 (PDT) To: idolisto@egroups.com Message-ID: <14923-372CBA2D-19187@postoffice-291.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Content-Disposition: Inline MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Subject: [ido] Pri mea urbo San Jose CA Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kara Hans e idolistani Hans demandis pri San Jose, do me skribos kelketa pri mea urbo: San Jose [prox. 100km sude de SanFrancisko] esas la maxim granda urbo en norda Kalifornia [la 3-esma maxim granda en Kal. pos LA e SanDiego]. SJ es en la Santa Clara valo [tale nomata "Silicia Valo" mondfama hemo di alt-teknologii, exemple, Apple, Hewlett-Packard, Adobe, Sun Microsystems, e multa altra komputora firmi. Ante 1970, SJ esis [grandparte] nur foresto di prun-aboraro. Un di nia granda "shoppng malls" [butikaro] nomesas "The Prunyard". SJ kreskas trege rapide. La prezo di domi esas treege "multekosta" $500,000! Balde on komencos konstruigar nova urbodomo ube mea domo nun situas, do me mustos translojar dum la sequanta yaro. SanJose esis [1850-1851] la " State Capital" stata chefurbo, [nun en Sacramento]. Populi de multa kulturi lojas en SJ.-- Hispana, vietnamana, koreana, angla, sikhana, edc. Fakte, omna afishi por la autobusi, "light-rail" treni es en la angla, hispana e la vietnama! [regretinde ne en la idala o espa] Hodie la urbo festas la mexikana festodio "Cinquo de Mayo" kun granda parado, mexikana manjado, muziko edc. Lo es la maxim granda festado exter Mexikia. La vietnama komunumo en SJ esas la maxim granda exter VietNam ipsa e festas la Tet yarkomenco kun parado e multa "firecrackers" longdura. Ni havas multa vietnamana, hispana chinia e altra "restaurants" e butiki. La urbo havas kulturi de [ek?] la tota mondo! Ni havas multa muzei, la maxim nova esas "The Tech" pri la historio de alt-teknologii en SJ. Anke la "Winchester Mystery House" un domego konstueskinta da S-rino Winchester qua kredis ke se elu sempre konstruantas ca domego, tande la "spirits" di la mortinti [qui mortis pro /da /per la "Winchester rifles"] ne trubligus elu. La konstuado ne haltis dum 40 yari til elua morto [1910?] ! La TTTeya adreso di SanJose [en angla]: http://www.ci.san-jose.ca.us/ Me esperas ke vi eblos vizitar SJ en la futuro. Vi omni certe esas bonvena. Sincere vua amiko-- thom san jose, ca Learn from the mistakes of others... You can't live long enough to make them all yourself. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.eGroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 318 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 21359 invoked by uid 7770); 3 May 1999 10:50:45 -0000 Received: from farida.a2000.nl (HELO smtp1.a2000.nl) (62.108.1.19) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 3 May 1999 10:50:45 -0000 Received: from node118d7.a2000.nl ([24.132.24.215] helo=default) by smtp1.a2000.nl with smtp (Exim 2.02 #4) id 10eGJA-0005Uu-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Mon, 3 May 1999 12:50:44 +0200 Message-ID: <000a01be9553$8cac9f60$d7188418@default.a2000.nl> From: "Ido-Info" To: "idolisto" Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 12:52:48 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Subject: [ido] pagini da Zeno Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Kar amiki, kar amiko Zeno, Kun granda joyo me remarkas ke vua pagini amaseskas diale. Tre reguloze me nun kontrolas la 'reto' por texti en e pri Ido, e plu e plu ofte me renkontras pagini da vu. Grandioza laboro! Tamen, un mikra prego: voluntez anke mencionar en vua listo de revui Idala, la nova revuo Afrikana, Afrikana Veko en Ido Buxo Postal 226 Lokossa-Mono Republiko di B�nin La chef-editero es Fran�ois Hounsounou. Danko, Saluti amikala, Hans St. ************************************************ Ido, linguo internaciona, absolute vizitez: http://members.tripod.com/~avancigado ************************************************ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.eGroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 319 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 21366 invoked by uid 7770); 3 May 1999 10:50:46 -0000 Received: from farida.a2000.nl (HELO smtp1.a2000.nl) (62.108.1.19) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 3 May 1999 10:50:46 -0000 Received: from node118d7.a2000.nl ([24.132.24.215] helo=default) by smtp1.a2000.nl with smtp (Exim 2.02 #4) id 10eGJA-0005Uu-01 for idolisto@egroups.com; Mon, 3 May 1999 12:50:45 +0200 Message-ID: <000b01be9553$8cce3120$d7188418@default.a2000.nl> From: "Ido-Info" To: "idolisto" Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 12:56:07 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Subject: [ido] Idotexti da Frank Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kar amiko Frank, Me es revizanta mea pagini e probas korektigar oli se necese. Ma nur du texti de vua paginaro me ne povas ritracar. Sempre itere aparas mesajo di Tripod, ke vua pagini ne es trovebla. Koncernas la pagini pri la konkurso pri yuni (prefere la texto Nederlandana) e l' invito a la kunveno en Germania. Me esperas ke es mea eroro e ye vua helpo korektigar mea pagini. Danko, Saluti amikala, Hans St. ************************************************ Ido, linguo internaciona, absolute vizitez: http://members.tripod.com/~avancigado ************************************************ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.eGroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 320 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 28381 invoked by uid 7770); 3 May 1999 11:11:50 -0000 Received: from farida.a2000.nl (HELO smtp1.a2000.nl) (62.108.1.19) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 3 May 1999 11:11:50 -0000 Received: from node118d7.a2000.nl ([24.132.24.215] helo=default) by smtp1.a2000.nl with smtp (Exim 2.02 #4) id 10eGdZ-0006w5-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Mon, 3 May 1999 13:11:49 +0200 Message-ID: <000d01be9556$7e99fe60$d7188418@default.a2000.nl> From: "Ido-Info" To: "idolisto" Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 13:17:13 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Subject: [ido] pagino en l' Esperanto Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Kar amiki, kar amiko Thom, Kun intereso me lektis vua mesajo pri San Jos�, Ca. Es interesanta savar ke tanta Vietnamani vivas ibe. Do, mea questiono (komparez la difereso a 'demando') es nun: ka la Vietnamana es la duesma granda linguo en vua urbo, e do konseque, ka la Vietnamana es docata en la skoli? Ka vu savas kelka vorti Vietnamana, forsan? Parolante pri Vietnam, me spektis ecelanta filmo pri Vietnam, ol titulizesas Ciclo, tre bona filmo. Anke, por vu ed altra Esperanto-devenanti, me kreis mikra kurso en l' Esperanto por ke vi povez vidar la difero inter Espo ed Ido. Me ankore kreos pagino por montrar (ed atencigar) la maxim importanta diferi inter la du lingui. Tamen, yen ja du diferanta reguli gramatikala: 1. Uzez la sufixo -al- por adjektivigar substantivi. (Komparez la frazi: "me laboras en betona fabrikerio" e "me laboras en betonala fabrikerio", l' unesma indikas ke la fabrikerio es de betono (l' edifico, la fabrikerio ipsa), la duesma indikas la produkto betono, fabrikerio qua relatas betono). 2. En Ido ne es posibla uzar sufixi kom verbo propra. Me pregas, ne konsiderez mea remarko kom kritiko, ma kom konsili, por ke omni maxim bone interkomprenez. La pagini http://www.angelfire.com/id/Avance/idoesperanto.html e http://www.angelfire.com/id/Avance/esperantokurs.html Saluti amikala, Hans St. ************************************************ Ido, linguo internaciona, absolute vizitez: http://members.tripod.com/~avancigado ************************************************ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.eGroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 321 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 21314 invoked by uid 7770); 3 May 1999 16:45:47 -0000 Received: from mout0.01019freenet.de (194.97.109.116) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 3 May 1999 16:45:47 -0000 Received: from [62.104.201.2] (helo=mx1.01019freenet.de) by mout0.01019freenet.de with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #7) id 10eLql-0007c5-02 for idolisto@egroups.com; Mon, 3 May 1999 18:45:47 +0200 Received: from [212.81.174.164] (helo=www) by mx1.01019freenet.de with smtp (Exim 2.12 #7) id 10eLqV-0001C9-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Mon, 3 May 1999 18:45:32 +0200 Message-ID: <004001be9583$e6b49000$a4ae51d4@www.fen.baynet.de> From: "Frank Kasper" To: "Idolisto (Mesaji)" Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 18:13:22 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Subject: [ido] Re: Babileyo/Samideano ek Mexico/Profili Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kara amiki! Por ke me anke dum la tota semanofino devis laborar dum 12 hori omnanokte ed anke dum la komencita semano laboros omnadie til venerdio me nur apene povas reagar pro mesaji recevita che "Idolisto". Yen kurta komenti: Me tote konformas kun la propozo de nia amiko Dmitri, ke interesanti mustas inter-konsentar pri tempo, kande on vizitez la babileyo por fine anke renkontrar altru ibe. Do, kara amiki, voluntez propozar tempo, kande l'interesanta amiki renkontrez en nia babileyo!!! Me volas saveskar nia kara amiko Rodriguez, ke me abonis lua Mexicana amiko ad "Idolisto". Se ulu da vi volunte aparigus lua profilo che "Idolisto" e havas irga teknikala problemi lore lu volunte povos sendar ol a me e me probos aparigar ol. Kun la maxim kordiala ed amikala saluti a vi omni! Frank Kasper frank.kasper@01019freenet. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.eGroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 322 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 22159 invoked by uid 7770); 3 May 1999 17:37:34 -0000 Received: from mailsorter-105-2.iap.bryant.webtv.net (209.240.198.118) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 3 May 1999 17:37:34 -0000 Received: from postoffice-292.iap.bryant.webtv.net (postoffice-292.iap.bryant.webtv.net [209.240.198.25]) by mailsorter-105-2.iap.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.8/ms.gso.08Dec97) with ESMTP id KAA27351; Mon, 3 May 1999 10:37:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from production@localhost) by postoffice-292.iap.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.8/po.gso.24Feb98) id KAA04502; Mon, 3 May 1999 10:37:34 -0700 (PDT) X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhReyucEz3Aen8zrv9K+omQwCIXs7QIUe9YwnpcXu3/j9XBb3wztMuI3kN4= From: thomw@webtv.net (Thom Wilkerson) Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 10:37:34 -0700 (PDT) To: idolisto@egroups.com Message-ID: <5225-372DDEDE-30781@postoffice-292.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Content-Disposition: Inline MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Subject: [ido] Re: Fwd: pagino en l' Esperanto Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=WebTV-Mail-1114864751-15961 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --WebTV-Mail-1114864751-15961 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" content-transfer-encoding: 7Bit content-type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Yen mea letro ad Hans, ed ad idolistani anke: thom san jose, ca Learn from the mistakes of others... You can't live long enough to make them all yourself. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.eGroups.com - Simplifying group communications --WebTV-Mail-1114864751-15961-- From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 323 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 25647 invoked by uid 7770); 3 May 1999 17:42:55 -0000 Received: from mailsorter-105-1.iap.bryant.webtv.net (HELO mailsorter-105-1.bryant.webtv.net) (209.240.198.119) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 3 May 1999 17:42:55 -0000 Received: from postoffice-292.iap.bryant.webtv.net (postoffice-292.iap.bryant.webtv.net [209.240.198.25]) by mailsorter-105-1.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.8/ms.gso.08Dec97) with ESMTP id KAA00558; Mon, 3 May 1999 10:42:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from production@localhost) by postoffice-292.iap.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.8/po.gso.24Feb98) id KAA04814; Mon, 3 May 1999 10:42:55 -0700 (PDT) X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhQ0TrUEqsEci40rJ8G4YCr7mvbnLgIUBy7lUHHx1p33CuK3Yeb3tCeMqS4= From: thomw@webtv.net (Thom Wilkerson) Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 10:42:54 -0700 (PDT) To: idolisto@egroups.com Message-ID: <5230-372DE01E-11586@postoffice-292.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Content-Disposition: Inline MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Subject: [ido] Mea letro ne esis inkluzita en FWD: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Me pregas via pardono, Mea letro ne esis sendata kun la anonco ad idolisto, Hans, se vu povas, prego sendez mea letro a Idolisto. Danko kordiale thom san jose, ca Learn from the mistakes of others... You can't live long enough to make them all yourself. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.eGroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 324 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 20733 invoked by uid 7770); 3 May 1999 18:24:56 -0000 Received: from spartacus.a2000.nl (HELO smtp2.a2000.nl) (62.108.1.20) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 3 May 1999 18:24:56 -0000 Received: from node118d7.a2000.nl ([24.132.24.215] helo=default) by smtp2.a2000.nl with smtp (Exim 2.02 #4) id 10eNOg-0006No-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Mon, 3 May 1999 20:24:54 +0200 Message-ID: <002201be9592$ff50c5c0$d7188418@default.a2000.nl> From: "Ido-Info" To: "idolisto" Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 20:30:18 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Subject: [ido] letro recevita Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kar amiko Thom, Me recevis amba vua letri, un per Idolisto ed un versiono direte a mea privat adreso. Do, me pensas ke ne plu es necesa pasigar ol ad Idolisto. "or" es interjeciono e signifikas: well, now, but (in argument), edc. Por Angla-parolanti povas esar konfundiva pro lia "or" (Ido: od). Interesante, ta diskuti pri docado en qua linguo. Anke hike en Nederlando, precipue la granda urbi quale Amsterdam e Rotterdam, on diskutas pri quo es plu bona, docado (= instruktado, lernigado) en la propra linguo di la migranto, (anke de multa parti di la mondo, maxim multe de Turkia e Maroko), od en la Nederlandana, pro ke li vivas hike en Nederlando. Diferanta probi montris avantaji por amba motivi e to desfaciligas la situeso. Sive docado en propra linguo kun rezulto ke lo lernenda esez plu bone komprenata, sive docado en la Nederlandana kun rezulto ke la savo di la Nederlandana es plu bona, ma min bona kompreno di la materio lernenda. On bezonas savar bone la Nederlandana se on deziras trovar bon ofico, pos la skolo. Altralatere, kun basa nivelo di la generala kompreno, on anke ne trovos bon ofico. Quala dilemo! Quale altra landi solvas ca problemo? Es desfacila, ka 'silikono' es substantivo, me kredas ke yes, lore vu es justa per dicar: Silikonala Valo. Ma, me evitus la problemo per aplikar ta altra gramatikala regulo glutinar du substantivi a Silikono-Valo (o: Silikon-valo, same kam tero-pomo/ter-pomo/pomo di tero, amoroletro/amor-letro/letro di amoro, edc.) Cetere, la dicionario kontenas la vorto 'siliko' (Angle: silicon), do forsan es maxim bona: Siliko-Valo. Me serchos adresi dil interretala pagini di Amsterdam. Saluti amikala, Hans St. ************************************************ Ido, linguo internaciona, absolute vizitez: http://members.tripod.com/~avancigado ************************************************ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.eGroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 325 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 4863 invoked by uid 7770); 3 May 1999 21:44:13 -0000 Received: from spartacus.a2000.nl (HELO smtp2.a2000.nl) (62.108.1.20) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 3 May 1999 21:44:13 -0000 Received: from node118d7.a2000.nl ([24.132.24.215] helo=default) by smtp2.a2000.nl with smtp (Exim 2.02 #4) id 10eQVZ-0000rC-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Mon, 3 May 1999 23:44:13 +0200 Message-ID: <006b01be95ae$d80aff00$d7188418@default.a2000.nl> From: "Ido-Info" To: "idolisto" Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 23:49:39 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Subject: [ido] Fw: pagino en l' Esperanto Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hans, Danko, pro vua helpo e la pagini, por ke me e altri povas lernar la idala plu facile. Prego korektez mea erari segun vua konsilo. Respondante ad vua questioni pri San Jose: SJ esas maxim parte angla, kun multi hispani, vietnami e altra "exterlandani" [ma fakte, la angla-parolanti es vere la altralandani] . La angla es la "oficiala" linguo, ma mem la "San Jose Mercury News" omnadiala gazeto havas vietnamala linguo "edition". Nun esas granda disputo inter multa [akadamiki?] skolestri pri ke per qua linguo devas lernigar la pueri en skoli. Questiono es: Ka es plu bona instruas pueri nur en la angla o en hispana ed angla? Kelki dicas ke por ke la hispan-parolanta pueri lernar la angla, instruez nur en la angla. Mem multa hispan-parolanti gepatri dicas tale. Fakte, multa skoli havas pueri qua parolas dek o plu dessama lingui! Ma me ne havas filii, do lo persone ne koncernas me ipsa. Quon es plu bona dicar: "Silicala valo o Silikona(la) valo"? Ed quo es "or"? formo di o(d)? Yen es TTTadreso de "livecam"--foto vivala di San Jose: http://www.newschannel11/livecam/ por ke vi povas vidar San Jose nuntempe. [ad omna idolistani]: Voluntez donacar TTTadresi di via urbi, por ke ni omni povas savar plu pri via hem-urbi. thom san jose, ca Learn from the mistakes of others... You can't live long enough to make them all yourself. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.eGroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 326 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 26025 invoked by uid 7770); 3 May 1999 22:20:25 -0000 Received: from farida.a2000.nl (HELO smtp1.a2000.nl) (62.108.1.19) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 3 May 1999 22:20:25 -0000 Received: from node118d7.a2000.nl ([24.132.24.215] helo=default) by smtp1.a2000.nl with smtp (Exim 2.02 #4) id 10eR4b-0002JQ-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Tue, 4 May 1999 00:20:25 +0200 Message-ID: <000301be95b3$e7006540$d7188418@default.a2000.nl> From: "Ido-Info" To: "idolisto" Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 00:25:50 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Subject: [ido] pagino ne trovebla Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kar amiko Martin, Me probis insertar la generala introdukto pri Ido en l' Italiana, tradukita da Carlo Nardini, aden mea Italiana pagino. Sempre me probas l' insertita ligo ma sempre itere geocities sendas mesajo ke la pagino ne es trovebla. Forsan me uzas fals adreso? Yen quan me uzas: http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/8009/idolinguo/lingua/itallingue.html kad es justa? Helpez me, Saluti amikala, Hans St. ************************************************ Ido, linguo internaciona, absolute vizitez: http://members.tripod.com/~avancigado ************************************************ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.eGroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 327 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 8801 invoked by uid 7770); 4 May 1999 14:22:34 -0000 Received: from mailsorter-105-2.iap.bryant.webtv.net (209.240.198.118) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 4 May 1999 14:22:34 -0000 Received: from postoffice-291.iap.bryant.webtv.net (postoffice-291.iap.bryant.webtv.net [209.240.198.24]) by mailsorter-105-2.iap.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.8/ms.gso.08Dec97) with ESMTP id HAA22985; Tue, 4 May 1999 07:22:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from production@localhost) by postoffice-291.iap.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.8/po.gso.24Feb98) id HAA06614; Tue, 4 May 1999 07:22:35 -0700 (PDT) X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhUAm4mqsQL9SoZIjPu2y+j6y/OcMcgCFHBxRlBq0DppRAhkuZSpAvP/tKKb From: thomw@webtv.net (Thom Wilkerson) Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 07:22:35 -0700 (PDT) To: idolisto@egroups.com Message-ID: <14924-372F02AB-21931@postoffice-291.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Content-Disposition: Inline MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Subject: [ido] Oklahoma tornado Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kara idolistani En mea hemstato, Oklahoma, esis trege forta stormo ---forsan plu multa nam 40 "tornadoes" [me ne savas la idala vorto por oli] . At least one tornado was said to be over a mile wide! the destruction is the worst seen in many years. --- Dank al Deo, mea familio, lojanta en Tulsa, 100km NE de Oklahoma City, esas sekura e sana. Tamen, plu danjero poseblas en a proxima futuro Ma en OKC, plu nam 1000 domi esis "destroyed". La venti di la tornado esis plu nam 300 miles/hr. [500km/horo] Plu nam 40 mortigiti. La printempo esas tre danjera tempo por tala stormi en Usa. Segun la Atlanik-marbordo esas "hurricanes" e en Kaifornia esas tertremi. thom san jose, ca Learn from the mistakes of others... You can't live long enough to make them all yourself. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.eGroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 328 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 22296 invoked by uid 7770); 4 May 1999 17:26:10 -0000 Received: from www.minitel.net (HELO gmailint1.globalmail.net) (193.252.91.17) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 4 May 1999 17:26:10 -0000 Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 19:26:09 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199905041726.TAA13832@gmailint1.globalmail.net> From: jeanmartignon@minitel.net (JEAN MARTIGNON) Reply-To: jeanmartignon@minitel.net To: idolisto@egroups.com (IDOLISTO) MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] Statala skandalo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Kara cibernauti, En Francia nun eventas grava skandalo pri qua me ja aludis. En Korsika, insulo ube cirkume 7 1634889482e la lojantaro esas nacionalista e volas sendependeso dum ke la altra lojanti tote ne volas ita sendependeso pro la povreso dil insulo qua vivas danke la helpo di kontinentala Francia, eventis recente atento kontre restorerio posedata da Korsika nacionalisto. Or, pos inquesto evidenteskis ke la faceri dil atento esis policani sub l'impero dil prefekto (reprezentanto di la guvernerio en la Franca departmenti). Nun pro ca fakto, onu suspektas (ed havas bona motivi suspektar) la nuna socialista guvernerio. Quankam, fortunoze, esis nula mortinto, ica afero memorigas neeviteble pri olta dil RAINBOW WARRIOR. La opozado esas tre kontenta e volas renversar la guvernerio. Fakte en normala lando, pos simila afero, la chefministro demisionus, ma Francia ne esas normala lando, e de longa tempo la demokratio hike es nur semblo... Kun kordiala ciberspacala saluti. jeanmartignon@minitel.net ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.eGroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 329 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 28056 invoked by uid 7770); 4 May 1999 17:34:35 -0000 Received: from www.minitel.net (HELO gmailint1.globalmail.net) (193.252.91.17) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 4 May 1999 17:34:35 -0000 Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 19:34:33 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199905041734.TAA19060@gmailint1.globalmail.net> From: jeanmartignon@minitel.net (JEAN MARTIGNON) Reply-To: jeanmartignon@minitel.net To: idolisto@egroups.com (IDOLISTO) MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] Falsa tiposkribo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Kara cibernauti, En la suba mesajo me skribis 7 po cent de la lojantaro. Regretinde mea aparato ne riproduktas bone la signo qua indikas la po centi. Ciberspacala saluti. jeanmartignon@minitel.net ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.eGroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 330 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 12571 invoked by uid 7770); 4 May 1999 18:00:06 -0000 Received: from wya-lfd100.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (207.82.252.164) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 4 May 1999 18:00:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 40390 invoked by uid 0); 4 May 1999 17:00:06 -0000 Message-ID: <19990504170006.40389.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 206.167.80.240 by wy1lg.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 04 May 1999 10:00:06 PDT Reply-To: idolinguo@geocities.com From: "Martin Lavallee" To: idolisto@egroups.com Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 10:00:06 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] pagino ritrovat Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kar amiki, La pagino da Carlo Nardini esas marvelo. Me uzas ol ofte por lernar la italiana. La justa adreso esas http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/8009/idolinguo/lingua/itallingue.htm (to es sin la final �l� en htm. Maxim amike vin salutas Martin Lavalle'e Linguo Internaciona Ido http://yi.com/home/ChandlerJames/ http://members.tripod.com/~Lavaleo/Enya.html http://www.angelfire.com/or/esperantotekstaro/index.html http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/8009/idolinguo.html ______________________________________________________ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.eGroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 331 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 32705 invoked by uid 7770); 4 May 1999 21:18:35 -0000 Received: from spartacus.a2000.nl (HELO smtp2.a2000.nl) (62.108.1.20) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 4 May 1999 21:18:35 -0000 Received: from node118d7.a2000.nl ([24.132.24.215] helo=default) by smtp2.a2000.nl with smtp (Exim 2.02 #4) id 10emaG-0006x2-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Tue, 4 May 1999 23:18:33 +0200 Message-ID: <004f01be9674$6db1e3a0$d7188418@default.a2000.nl> From: "Ido-Info" To: "idolisto" Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 23:24:00 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Subject: [ido] ri: pagino ritrovat, tornado Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kar amiko Martin, Danko, efektive, me sempre (pro kustumo) adjuntis "l" dop 'htm'. Nun funcionas bone. Kar amiko Thom, Me sincere esperas ke vua familiani ankore es sana e sen domaji. Me probis kontaktar mea familio (mea fratulo) en Wichita, ma nula vivosigno. Me restas probante. Saluti amikala, Hans Stuifbergen ************************************************ Ido, linguo internaciona, absolute vizitez: http://members.tripod.com/~avancigado ************************************************ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.eGroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 332 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 11949 invoked by uid 7770); 5 May 1999 17:23:09 -0000 Received: from www.minitel.net (HELO gmailint1.globalmail.net) (193.252.91.17) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 5 May 1999 17:23:09 -0000 Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 19:23:09 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199905051723.TAA23497@gmailint1.globalmail.net> From: jeanmartignon@minitel.net (JEAN MARTIGNON) Reply-To: jeanmartignon@minitel.net To: idolisto@egroups.com (IDOLISTO) MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] Turisti Usana Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Kara cibernauti, Icamonate, onu videskas mult Usana turisti en Paris. Plu multa turisti kam dum la recenta yari. Me konjektas ke la Usani ne plus volas irar ad est-Europana landi por sejornar turistale ibe pro la proximeso de la milito en Yugoslavia. Dum la recenta yari esis min multa Usani en Paris pro la plu granda chipeso di est-Europa e pro la atrakto di ca landi poke konocata pro ke poke vizitata dum la tempo dil komunismo e dil kolda milito. Nun, pro diversa timo-motivi, li retrovenas a west-Europa. Me supozas ke esas same en Madrid, Lisboa, Bruxelles, London e.t.p. Ka nia samideani di ca urbi o lia preurbi povas konfirmar to quon me asertas ? T.e. ka li vidas plu multa Usana turisti kam kustumale ? Kun kordiala ciberspacala saluti. jeanmartignon@minitel.net ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.eGroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 333 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 19471 invoked by uid 7770); 6 May 1999 04:49:06 -0000 Received: from www.minitel.net (HELO gmailint2.globalmail.net) (193.252.91.18) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 6 May 1999 04:49:06 -0000 Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 06:49:05 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199905060449.GAA09386@gmailint2.globalmail.net> From: jeanmartignon@minitel.net (JEAN MARTIGNON) Reply-To: jeanmartignon@minitel.net To: idolisto@egroups.com (IDOLISTO) MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] Quo eventas ? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Kara cibernauti, Icanokte nula mesajin me recevis. Ka mea aparato ne plus funcionas ? O ka vi omna uzis la "babil-buxo" e tale "obliviis" sendar mesaji altramaniere ? Kordiala ciberspacala saluti. jeanmartignon@minitel.net ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.eGroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 334 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 19967 invoked by uid 7770); 6 May 1999 04:51:38 -0000 Received: from www.minitel.net (HELO gmailint2.globalmail.net) (193.252.91.18) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 6 May 1999 04:51:38 -0000 Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 06:51:37 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199905060451.GAA09590@gmailint2.globalmail.net> From: jeanmartignon@minitel.net (JEAN MARTIGNON) Reply-To: jeanmartignon@minitel.net (JEAN MARTIGNON) To: idolisto@egroups.com (IDOLISTO) MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] [Fwd: Quo eventas ?] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: jeanmartignon@minitel.net (JEAN MARTIGNON) Reply-To: jeanmartignon@minitel.net Received: from by with HTTP; Thu, 06 May 1999 06:49:05 +0200 Message-Id: <19990506064905@minitel.net> To: idolisto@egroups.com (IDOLISTO) Errors-To: jeanmartignon@minitel.net Subject: Quo eventas ? X-MinitelNet: LU MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Kara cibernauti, Icanokte nula mesajin me recevis. Ka mea aparato ne plus funcionas ? O ka vi omna uzis la "babil-buxo" e tale "obliviis" sendar mesaji altramaniere ? Kordiala ciberspacala saluti. jeanmartignon@minitel.net ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.eGroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 335 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 22930 invoked by uid 7770); 6 May 1999 09:28:30 -0000 Received: from mout1.01019freenet.de (62.104.201.3) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 6 May 1999 09:28:30 -0000 Received: from [194.97.109.112] (helo=mx0.01019freenet.de) by mout1.01019freenet.de with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #7) id 10fKSD-0001re-04 for idolisto@egroups.com; Thu, 6 May 1999 11:28:29 +0200 Received: from [212.81.175.18] (helo=www) by mx0.01019freenet.de with smtp (Exim 2.12 #7) id 10fKRz-0008IN-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Thu, 6 May 1999 11:28:15 +0200 Message-ID: <005b01be97a2$4ccf4220$d9d225c3@www.fen.baynet.de> From: "Frank Kasper" To: "Idolisto (Mesaji)" Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 11:21:16 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Subject: [ido] Re: Plendo da Jean Martignon Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kara amiki! Me volas uzar l'okaziono komentar la plendo da Jean, ke nula mesajo sendita ad "Idolisto" atingis lua elektrona postfako dum la recenta nokto. Kun granda regreto me devas konstatar, ke depos kelka dii vere nur ankore tri til quar Idolistolani sendis mesaji. Exemple mea recenta mesaji kun propozi koncerne la sucesoza uzado de nia bibaleyo restis senatingita da la Idolistolani e mem la komenti da nia kara prezidanto Guenter Anton ad Idolisto restis sen irga reago. Me depos kelka tempo sendis mesajo ad Jacques Bol kun l' importanta por me e certe anke por lu inquesto, ka lu konformas kun me, ke me pagos la yarala kontributo por "Progreso" dum nia Ido-renkontro en Neviges sen recevar irga reago. Ante preske sep semani me recevis kurta e-postala mesajo da nia kara Polona amiko Antoni Myszakowski informinte me, ke lu nun havas e-postala adreso. Quankam me depos ta tempo dufoye telefonis kun lu e lu amba foyi promisis a me itere skribar mesajo venas nula vivo-signo da lu nek a me ipsa nek ad Idolisto. Lua e-postala adreso segun la membro-listo di Idolisto funcionas, adminime lu recevas omna mesaji. En komenco di aprilo sioro Guenter Anton sendis a me letro a nia amiko Zeno, qua regretinde erste atingis mea kustumala postfako un dio pos ke me iris ad Waldkappel. Pro to me erste povis transsendar ol ye 18ma di aprilo. Intertempe sioro Anton inquestis che me, ka sioro Zeno ya reagis. Regretinde adminime me depos kelka semani audis nula da lu. Okazione sioro Anton anke remarkis, ke lu ya depos kelka semani sendis postkarto a Robert Carnaghan sen recevar respondo. Talrelate me devas konstatar, ke nia kara amiko e sekretario dil DK dil ULI por linguala questioni segun mea memoro ankore ne sendis ula mesajo dum 1999 nek a la lora Idol nek ad Idolisto. Me tre esperas, ke lu standas bone. Do, kara Robert, l'Idolistolani e kompreneble anke me esus tre gratiduoza recevar vivo-signo da vu!!! Do, kara amiki. Me tre esperas, ke me povos kurajigar vi per ica komenti skribar via opinioni e.c. a nia Idolisto por pluvivigar ol! ! Kun la maxim kordiala ed amikala saluti a vi omni! Frank Kasper frank.kasper@01019freenet.de ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.eGroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 336 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 17094 invoked by uid 7770); 6 May 1999 12:43:31 -0000 Received: from mail.sipsa.com.pe (HELO servidor.sipsa.com) (200.4.213.130) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 6 May 1999 12:43:31 -0000 Received: from jaime (infovia013-pool3.dnet.com.pe [200.37.98.13]) by servidor.sipsa.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2448.0) id JWKCB95N; Thu, 6 May 1999 07:51:50 -0500 Message-Id: <4.1.19990506072021.00b17620@mail.sipsa.com> X-Sender: jaime@mail.sipsa.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 07:40:43 -0500 To: idolisto@egroups.com From: Jaime Escobal McEvoy Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] Questioni Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Kara amiki, Me lektis la revuo 'Ido-Saluto' (in LA REJI DIL CERVI), "Do me= pregas vu ne plu chasar". Me kredas que on devas dicar "Do me pregas vu ne= plus chasar" o "Do me pregas vu ne chasar pluse", Ka me es justa? Anke me = lektis in la revuo, "Lu jetis ol EK la fenestro" , me kredas ke on devas d= icar "Lu jetis ol TRA la fenestro" e Anke "Me atencigis pri l'afishi" devas= esar "Me antencis la afishi". Ka me es justa?. Ka on povas klarigar lo a m= e? (Ka 'LO' es justa hike?) Danki Jaime Escobal Jaime.escobal@sipsa.com = Please tell me about any mistakes Por favor corr=EDjanme si encuentran erro= res -----------------------------------------------------------------= ------- eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.eGrou= ps.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 337 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 13829 invoked by uid 7770); 6 May 1999 15:02:45 -0000 Received: from mail2.ip.pt (194.79.69.132) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 6 May 1999 15:02:45 -0000 Received: from ip.pt (aranha.ip.pt [195.23.110.1]) by mail2.ip.pt with SMTP id QAA21803; Thu, 6 May 1999 16:02:39 +0100 (WEST) From: "Gon=?ISO-8859-1?B?52Fsbw==?= Neves" Sender: ip260424@ip.pt Reply-to: poedan@ip.pt To: idolisto@egroups.com X-CC-Sender: poedan@ip.pt Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 15:02:32 GMT X-Mailer: DMailWeb Web to Mail Gateway 2.0p, http://netwinsite.com/top_mail.htm Message-id: <3731af08.4ae6.0@ip.pt> X-User-Info: 209.198.242.60 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] Erori Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Kar amiko Jaime Escobal, >Me lektis la revuo 'Ido-Saluto' (in LA REJI DIL = CERVI), "Do >me pregas vu ne plu chasar". Me kredas que on devas dicar >"D= o me pregas vu ne plus chasar" o "Do me pregas vu ne >chasar pluse", Ka me = es justa? Vu es tre justa. Me esas la autoro dil artiklo e me skribis "ne = plus chasar". Regretinde on rifacis mea artiklo ed introduktis ne nur ta, m= a mem altr erori. Pri la afero me sendis plendo-letro ad Idol, ube ol apari= s ante ke vu adherabis. >Anke me lektis in la revuo, "Lu jetis ol EK la fe= nestro" , me >kredas ke on devas dicar "Lu jetis ol TRA la fenestro" Iter= e vu esas tre justa. >Anke "Me atencigis pri >l'afishi" devas esar "Me ant= encis la afishi". Ka me es justa? Cafoye vu ne es justa. La autoro ne voli= s dicar "me atencis la afishi". Il volis dicar ke il igis ulu altra atencar= la afishi. Do il devus dicir: "Me igis il [la guidisto] atencar la afishi"= o "Me atencigis la afishi da il [la guidisto]". >Ka on povas >klarigar lo= a me? (Ka 'LO' es justa hike?) Tote justa. Yen: "Me prizas Ido" =3D "Me = prizas ol" [ol =3D Ido] "Me prizas parolar Ido" =3D "Me prizas lo" [lo =3D= parolar Ido] Do: "ol" por objekti. "lo" por agi Kun saluto kordial= , Gon=E7alo Neves -------------------------------------------------------= ----------------- eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/group/idolisto http:/= /www.eGroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 338 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 27616 invoked by uid 7770); 6 May 1999 17:03:10 -0000 Received: from spartacus.a2000.nl (HELO smtp2.a2000.nl) (62.108.1.20) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 6 May 1999 17:03:10 -0000 Received: from node118d7.a2000.nl ([24.132.24.215] helo=default) by smtp2.a2000.nl with smtp (Exim 2.02 #4) id 10fRYA-0001mW-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Thu, 6 May 1999 19:03:06 +0200 Message-ID: <001b01be97e3$148b5ac0$d7188418@default.a2000.nl> From: "Ido-Info" To: "idolisto" Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 19:08:36 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Subject: [ido] turisti usana, reji di cervi Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Kara Jean Martignon, No, sat stranje ne trovesas tanta turisti Usana en Amsterdam, prezente. Forsan li omni iris a Francia. Cetere, ya es multa turisti Franca en Amsterdam ed anke tre mult Italiani, do yen mea chanco praktikar mea (mala) savo dil amba lingui, ma ne erste pos me tresayigis li per kelka guturala 'g', karakterizivo di la Nederlandana. Izreali povas regardar kelke agreable surprizita pro la kelke sama sono, nur, li ne komprenas la vorti. Kar amiko Jaime e Gon�alo, Ankorafoye me konfesas ke me esis la chanjinto di la frazo de "Do me pregas vu ne plus chasar" ad "Do me pregas vu ne plu chasar". Segun me, amba formi es posibla. En l' unesma kazo 'plus' signifikas quanteso di lo chasata, en la duesma kazo 'plu' signifikas 'itere, altrafoye, ankorafoye, edc'. Me ja pregis exkuzi pro la nepregita chanjo ed ankorafoye hike promisas erste konsultar l' autoro pri l' eventuala chanco. Tamen, me nun nur deziris klarigar ke amba formi es korekta, nur kun diferanta signifiki. Kun kordiala saluti, Hans St. ************************************************ Ido, linguo internaciona, absolute vizitez: http://members.tripod.com/~avancigado ************************************************ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.eGroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 339 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 5148 invoked by uid 7770); 6 May 1999 18:08:36 -0000 Received: from m4.egroups.com (HELO mu.egroups.com) (207.138.41.151) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 6 May 1999 18:08:36 -0000 Received: from [10.1.2.16] by mu.egroups.com with NNFMP; 06 May 1999 19:08:35 -0000 X-Mailer: www.eGroups.com Message Poster MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 18:08:35 -0000 From: idolinguo@geocities.com In-Reply-To: <001801be8f54$695bc7c0$13ad51d4@www.fen.baynet.de> To: idolisto@egroups.com Subject: [ido] Komenti da la prezidanto dil ULI Guenter Anton koncerne �Progreso� Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Responde al artiklo: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/?start=261 Kar amiki, Sioro Guenter Anton skribis: > 1. Revuo demandas pekunio, ma la recevaji financala di nia nenombroza > movemento ne suficas por adminime dumonatala edito dil revuo. Me rekomendus ke sioro Gon�alo Neves kreez revuo en Ido, forsan literatural, kun multa prozi e poemi. Anke lu povus sendar tradukuri di noveli a sioro Jean Martignon, la Chefo dil Stabilisma Skolo, rete o letre por �Letro Internaciona�. La artikli quin sioro Neves ja sendis a diversa revui idista grande plualtigis lia nivelo. > 2. Nia meritoza redaktero ne plus esas yuna e ne disponas pri > la povo korpala por ofte aparanta revuo. Ica redaktero ya facas gravega laboro por la linguo internaciona dil Delegitaro. Me nun ne esas kapabla skribar sat bona artiklo por Progreso, ma balde me finos mea studii administral e tale povos. > Pro to me joyas pri la > propozo di sdo. Neves ke il volas kunlaborar aktive. Me anke tre joyas. Verkin da sioro Neves en Ido la idolinguani bezonegas. Maxim kordiale Martin ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.eGroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 340 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 57 invoked by uid 7770); 6 May 1999 20:37:29 -0000 Received: from out0.mx.skynet.be (195.238.2.35) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 6 May 1999 20:37:29 -0000 Received: from login.skynet.be (dialup155.wavre.skynet.be [195.238.10.155]) by out0.mx.skynet.be (8.9.3/odie-relay-v1.0) with ESMTP id WAA11532 for ; Thu, 6 May 1999 22:37:11 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199905062037.WAA11532@out0.mx.skynet.be> Reply-To: From: "BOL Jacques" To: "idolisto" Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 17:21:05 +0200 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] lPlendo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Wavre 6/5/.99 Pri la plendi expresita da Frank Kasper. FUNCIONO DIL IDOLISTO; nula problemo por me; me singlafoye, recevis normale omna mesaji en Idolisto; sendubite me posedas bona aparato e bona"server" PAGO DIL KONTRIBUTAJO ad ULI; me partoprenos en l'Ido-konfero en Neviges kun la kasero Franz Regnier e ya vi povos ibe pagar vua kontributajo yarala. PRI LA RESPONDI AL MESAJI: on ne esas sempre pronta respondar ad irga mesajo; me rekomendas la pacienteso nam singlu havas sua propra okupantaji e problemi familiala e sucii; omni ne esas celibi. Saluto ad omni. Jacques Bol jbol@skynet.be ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.eGroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 341 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 26040 invoked by uid 7770); 6 May 1999 21:18:37 -0000 Received: from farida.a2000.nl (HELO smtp1.a2000.nl) (62.108.1.19) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 6 May 1999 21:18:37 -0000 Received: from node118d7.a2000.nl ([24.132.24.215] helo=default) by smtp1.a2000.nl with smtp (Exim 2.02 #4) id 10fVXR-0004C4-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Thu, 6 May 1999 23:18:37 +0200 Message-ID: <001601be9806$c669c9c0$d7188418@default.a2000.nl> From: "Ido-Info" To: "idolisto" Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 23:22:26 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Subject: [ido] saja vorti, Progreso Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Kar amiki, Anke me ne havas problemi pri la recevo di la mesaji. Me konkordas sioro Jacques Bol ke ne omni havas suficanta tempo partoprenar. Es multi ibe (che l' Idolisto) qui nulafoye skribis o reaktis, ma qui simple preferas lektar kam reaktar. E tale esez! Plendar ne helpas. Mem kontree, me es certa ke se on restas plendante, on sentas su min e min stimulata skribar kelka vorti. Adminime, tale certe funcionas che me. Me es certa ke sioro Antoni Myszakowski havas bona motivi por ne quik reaktar e skribar, lasez lu, lasez omni qui ne skribas. Partoprenar Idolisto es yuro, e ne obligo. Lasez tenar lo plezuro. Koncernante l' edito di Progreso, me pensis ke esis l' intenco di sioro Gon�alo Neves helpar editar quar foyi vice tri foyi e ne sis foyi yarale, quale skribas sioro G�nter Anton. Do, tante pluse ne kustos, mea-opinione. Jean Martignon editas Letro Internaciona, tote sole, adminime quar foyi po yaro, tre admirind e laudind afero. Saluti amikala, Hans St. ************************************************ Ido, linguo internaciona, absolute vizitez: http://members.tripod.com/~avancigado ************************************************ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.eGroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 342 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 23367 invoked by uid 7770); 6 May 1999 22:04:36 -0000 Received: from mailsorter-105-2.iap.bryant.webtv.net (209.240.198.118) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 6 May 1999 22:04:36 -0000 Received: from postoffice-293.iap.bryant.webtv.net (postoffice-293.iap.bryant.webtv.net [209.240.198.32]) by mailsorter-105-2.iap.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.8/ms.gso.08Dec97) with ESMTP id PAA20740; Thu, 6 May 1999 15:04:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from production@localhost) by postoffice-293.iap.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.8/po.gso.24Feb98) id PAA27183; Thu, 6 May 1999 15:04:35 -0700 (PDT) X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhRVeN7VUa7ET1XasGkpxQ5OrL6/FwIUbab6kvCdhKwAqXreyaL1oC42Nyo= From: thomw@webtv.net (thom wilkerson) Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 15:04:35 -0700 (PDT) To: lee@houten.freeserve.co.uk, idolisto@egroups.com Message-ID: <7754-373211F3-416@postoffice-293.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Content-Disposition: Inline MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Subject: [ido] Oklahoma "Twisters" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Here are some photos taken of the Oklahoma "twisters" [cikloni] May 3rd. http://members.tripod.com/~jademama/twister.html thom san jose, ca Learn from the mistakes of others... You can't live long enough to make them all yourself. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.eGroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 343 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 18014 invoked by uid 7770); 6 May 1999 22:51:09 -0000 Received: from mail2.ip.pt (194.79.69.132) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 6 May 1999 22:51:09 -0000 Received: from clientec (pm-lx-8-05.net.ip.pt [195.23.96.133]) by mail2.ip.pt with ESMTP id XAA13024 for < idolisto@egroups.com>; Thu, 6 May 1999 23:51:16 +0100 (WEST) Message-Id: <199905062251.XAA13024@mail2.ip.pt> Reply-To: From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Gon=E7alo_Neves?=" To: "IDOLISTO" Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 23:02:26 +0200 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] Re: Pri "plue" e "pluse" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Amiko Hans skribis: >Ankorafoye me konfesas ke me esis la chanjinto di la frazo de "Do me pregas >vu ne plus chasar" ad "Do me pregas vu ne plu chasar". Segun me, amba formi >es posibla. En l' unesma kazo 'plus' signifikas quanteso di lo chasata, en >la duesma kazo 'plu' signifikas 'itere, altrafoye, ankorafoye, edc'. Yen mea pensi pri "plue" e "pluse". Amb adverbi koncernas quanto, mas "plue" indikas augmento di quanto, dum ke "pluse" montras adjunto di quanto ad altra quanto. En la unesma kazo koncernesas do nur un quanto qua augmentas, dum ke en la duesma on parolas pri plura quanti qui adjuntesas l' una al altra. Nun ni aplikez ica difero al chaso. La homi chasis 20 cervi en la unesma dio. En la duesma dio li chasis 20 cervi pluse [= a lo chasita en la unesma dio li adicionis 20 cervi] En la triesma dio la rejo dicis: "Haltez! Ne chasez pluse!" [= a la 40 cervi ja chasita ne adicionez plusa cervi] La homi chasis 20 cervi en la unesma dio. En la duesma dio la homi chasis plue [= li chasis plu multe, li augmentis la quanto ja chasita en la dio antea, ma on ne precize indikas la nombro] En la triesma dio la rejo dicis: "Haltez! Ne chasez plue!" [= ne augmentez la quanto ja chasita] Altravorte on povas dicar ke "plue" remplasas "plu multe", dum ke "pluse" remplasas "plusa kozo", "plusa ento" o "plusa foyo". Por (ex-)Esperantisti me adjuntez ke nia "plus(e)" generale korespondas a la "plu" Esperantal. Exemple: En Esperanto: "Mi ne plu venos al via hejmo" En Ido: "Me ne plus venos a vua hemo" [= me venos a vua hemo nul plusa foyo] La "pli" Esperantal esas nia "plue": En Esperanto: "La infano mangxis grandan kvanton da supo kaj diris: mi ne volas pli!" [mi ne volas pli multe da supo] En Ido: "La infanto manjis granda quanto de supo e dicis: me ne volas plue!" [= me ne volas plu multe = me ne volas plu multa supo] Ma ne sempre: En Esperanto: "La infano mangxis du pomojn kaj diris: mi ne volas pli!" [mi ne volas pliajn pomojn] En Ido: "La infanto manjis du pomi e dicis: me ne volas pluse" [= me ne volas adjuntar plusa pomi al du pomi ja manjita] o same bone "me ne volas plue" [= me ne volas augmentar la quanto ja manjita] Yen forsan helpilo por decidar inter "plu" e "pluse": kande on volas expresar "plu multe", on elektez "plue"; en altra kazi, on elektez "pluse". Me esperas ke me ne konfuzigis vi plue. Se me agis lo, me explikos la kozo pluse. Kordiale, Gon�alo ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.eGroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 344 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 18087 invoked by uid 7770); 6 May 1999 22:51:19 -0000 Received: from mail2.ip.pt (194.79.69.132) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 6 May 1999 22:51:19 -0000 Received: from clientec (pm-lx-8-05.net.ip.pt [195.23.96.133]) by mail2.ip.pt with ESMTP id XAA13048 for < idolisto@egroups.com>; Thu, 6 May 1999 23:51:18 +0100 (WEST) Message-Id: <199905062251.XAA13048@mail2.ip.pt> Reply-To: From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Gon=E7alo_Neves?=" To: "IDOLISTO" Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 23:11:18 +0200 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] Re: revuo literatural Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Amiko Martin skribis: >Me rekomendus ke sioro Gon�alo Neves kreez revuo en Ido, forsan literatural, >kun multa prozi e poemi. Anke me ja pensis lo. Me joyus agar lo, ma to impedus me divenar kunredaktero di "Progreso" de pos agosto, quale me propozis. Se altru propozus su por kunredaktar "Progeso" kun kolego Bol, me liberesus de ita tasko e povus krear e redaktar revuo literatural, quan ni forte indijas. Qua propozos su? Kun saluti kordial, Gon�alo ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.eGroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 345 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 14208 invoked by uid 7770); 7 May 1999 04:42:13 -0000 Received: from www.minitel.net (HELO gmailint1.globalmail.net) (193.252.91.17) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 7 May 1999 04:42:13 -0000 Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 06:42:12 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199905070442.GAA00758@gmailint1.globalmail.net> From: jeanmartignon@minitel.net (JEAN MARTIGNON) Reply-To: jeanmartignon@minitel.net To: idolisto@egroups.com (IDOLISTO) MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] Revui Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Kara cibernauti, Me opinionas ke esus bon afero por nia movado, se s-ro Goncales Neves povus kunredaktar "Progreso" por posibligar lua aparigo ye singla trimestro, do quarfoye en la yaro vice tri nun. Anke me ne kredas, same kam Hans, ke ito esus tre kustoza. "Progreso" havas plu multa prestijo kam la altra revui, ed olua plu frequa aparigo tre helpus nia afero. Kun kordiala ciberspacala saluti. jeanmartignon@minitel.net ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.eGroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 346 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 16887 invoked by uid 7770); 7 May 1999 16:12:27 -0000 Received: from spartacus.a2000.nl (HELO smtp2.a2000.nl) (62.108.1.20) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 7 May 1999 16:12:27 -0000 Received: from node118d7.a2000.nl ([24.132.24.215] helo=default) by smtp2.a2000.nl with smtp (Exim 2.02 #4) id 10fnEg-0004r1-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Fri, 7 May 1999 18:12:26 +0200 Message-ID: <002001be98a5$2c9a7b60$d7188418@default.a2000.nl> From: "Ido-Info" To: "idolisto" Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 18:13:57 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Subject: [ido] Oklahoma rezigita Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kar amiki, Me jus spektis la pagini pri fotografuro de la cikloni en Oklahoma, Usa, konsilita da Thom Wilkerson. Il es justa, esis granda dizastro, la cikloni ibe. Omno es rezigita, es nekredinda! Me sincere esperas ke vua familiani es sana e sekura. Me komprenis ke multafoye eventas tala tempesti ube, ka ne? On questionas su pro quo homi restas vivanta en regioni ube multa katastrofi naturala eventas o minacas, quale la lineo di rupto en San Francisko, Nederlando sep metri sub la nivelo dil aquo, Napoli e Sicilia che l' Edna e Vesuvio en Italia, edc. Me deziras agreabla semanofino a vi, Saluti amikala, Hans St. ************************************************ Ido, linguo internaciona, absolute vizitez: http://members.tripod.com/~avancigado ************************************************ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.eGroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 347 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 16903 invoked by uid 7770); 7 May 1999 16:12:28 -0000 Received: from spartacus.a2000.nl (HELO smtp2.a2000.nl) (62.108.1.20) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 7 May 1999 16:12:28 -0000 Received: from node118d7.a2000.nl ([24.132.24.215] helo=default) by smtp2.a2000.nl with smtp (Exim 2.02 #4) id 10fnEg-0004r1-01 for idolisto@egroups.com; Fri, 7 May 1999 18:12:26 +0200 Message-ID: <002101be98a5$2cc3ae40$d7188418@default.a2000.nl> From: "Ido-Info" To: "idolisto" Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 18:17:59 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Subject: [ido] plu e plus Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Kar amiko Gon�alo Neves, Me dankas vu pro la klar expliko pri la difero inter 'plu' e 'plus'. Efektive, vu es justa, do por cesar l' ago on uzas 'plus' (quale me lektis en 10.000 radiki da M. Persiko). Me anke regretas ja konstatar ke me ne esos kapabla helpar editar Progreso, pro ke me ja es tro okupata pri altra kozi editenda. Saluti amikala, Hans St. ************************************************ Ido, linguo internaciona, absolute vizitez: http://members.tripod.com/~avancigado ************************************************ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.eGroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 348 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 28331 invoked by uid 7770); 7 May 1999 16:28:58 -0000 Received: from m4.egroups.com (HELO mu.egroups.com) (207.138.41.151) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 7 May 1999 16:28:58 -0000 Received: from [10.1.2.16] by mu.egroups.com with NNFMP; 07 May 1999 17:28:58 -0000 X-Mailer: www.eGroups.com Message Poster MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 07 May 1999 16:28:58 -0000 From: idolinguo@geocities.com In-Reply-To: <199905070442.GAA00758@gmailint1.globalmail.net> To: idolisto@egroups.com Subject: [ido] Revui Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kar amiki, Sioro Gon�alo Neves skribis: �Me joyus agar lo, ma to impedus me divenar kunredaktero di "Progreso" de pos agosto, quale me propozis. Se altru propozus su por kunredaktar "Progeso" kun kolego Bol, me liberesus de ita tasko e povus krear e redaktar revuo literatural, quan ni forte indijas. Qua propozos su?� Me obliviis ica importanta helpo quan vu propozis ad Progreso. Per vua manui Progreso ya ridivenus la granda forumo internacionlingua kand ol esis produktata da Louis Couturat. Nulo impedas pozar en ol tradukuri o originalaji di poemi o prozi. Me ipsa preferus koncentrar me en la propago di Ido en Kanada e editar revui bilingua (franca-Ido). Anke kreo di librerio idista en Kanada esus bona kozo. E kompreneble editar nova versiono di Ido-lernolibro por franclinguani esas tote necesa. Do sat multa projeti por simpla celibo! Me ya prizus helpar sioro Jacques Bol, ma semblas a me ke sioro Gon�alo Neves esas ja plu bona kam me. En la artiklo: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/?start=345 Jean Martignon skribis: > Me opinionas ke esus bon afero por nia > movado [ya tre bona], se s-ro Goncales Neves povus > kunredaktar "Progreso" por posibligar > lua aparigo ye singla trimestro, do > quarfoye en la yaro vice tri nun. > Anke me ne kredas, same kam Hans, ke > ito esus tre kustoza [me sendos pekunio]. "Progreso" havas > plu multa prestijo [ica revuo Progreso terorigis la Esperantisti!] kam la > altra > revui, ed olua plu frequa aparigo tre > helpus nia afero. Letrin sendis e amike komentis Martin ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.eGroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 349 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 28378 invoked by uid 7770); 7 May 1999 16:29:03 -0000 Received: from m4.egroups.com (HELO mu.egroups.com) (207.138.41.151) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 7 May 1999 16:29:03 -0000 Received: from [10.1.2.16] by mu.egroups.com with NNFMP; 07 May 1999 17:29:03 -0000 X-Mailer: www.eGroups.com Message Poster MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 07 May 1999 16:29:02 -0000 From: thomw@webtv.net To: idolisto@egroups.com Subject: [ido] Lojantar sur nia hem-planedo Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kar Hans, e idolistani-- Me ne certesas, ka mea Ido sufichesas, ma longtempe me dicas: La Tero es tre bela loko por vizitar, ma qui vere dezirus san-mente lojar hike?!! ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.eGroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 350 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 13064 invoked by uid 7770); 7 May 1999 16:55:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO epmsa001.ep.minsk.by) (194.226.122.227) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 7 May 1999 16:55:04 -0000 Received: by epmsa001.ep.minsk.by with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Fri, 7 May 1999 19:53:17 +0300 Message-ID: <8D76D48EDDD3D211AC3000A0C98212E703A7B7@epmsa001.ep.minsk.by> From: "Dmitri P. Laptsionak" To: 'IDOLISTO' Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 19:53:16 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Subject: [ido] Printempa saluti e danki Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1251" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit printempa saluti Me ne savas quale en altra parti di Europa, ma en Belarusia cayare printempo, semblas, ja finis. Nur dum Aprilo esis suficante bona vetero. En Mayo ankore koldeskis. Do me hastas sendar ad omni printempa saluti, nam me timas, ke balde esos tarde - somero venos. En populo on dicas: "varma aprilo, kolda mayo - sequos bona somero ed richa rikolto". Venis a me exemplero di "Ido-Saluto". Granda danko a ti, qui partoprenis olua kreado. Me ankore ne parlektis, ma trovis artikli tre bona. Me havas questiono: ula artikli esas facita per un literi, altra per altra, ka to esas intence? O to esas pro to, ke diversa autori tale volis? Pri plendi: me omna labor-dio sidas che komputilo, e lektas mesaji, jus li arivas. Ma me ne sempre reagas - ne a singla mesajo me havas quon dicar e ne a singla me volas. Ultre me ne sempre povas pro laboro. Thom jus skribis: > La Tero es tre bela loko por vizitar, ma qui vere > dezirus san-mente lojar hike?!! Existas proverbo "Bone esas ibe, ube ni ne che-esas". E gaya adjunto: "Pro to ya esas bone, ke ni ne che-esas". Me lo tale komprenas - se ulo esas mala sur Tero - nur la Homo kulpas. Zmicier Lapcionak ------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.eGroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 351 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 11304 invoked by uid 7770); 7 May 1999 17:48:34 -0000 Received: from www.minitel.net (HELO gmailint1.globalmail.net) (193.252.91.20) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 7 May 1999 17:48:34 -0000 Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 19:48:30 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199905071748.TAA01260@gmailint1.globalmail.net> From: jeanmartignon@minitel.net (JEAN MARTIGNON) Reply-To: jeanmartignon@minitel.net To: idolisto@egroups.com (IDOLISTO) MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] Diversaji Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Kara cibernauto, Me demandas pardono pro eroro lingual, nome icamatine me skribis ke "Progreso" esas la revuo qua havas plu multa prestijo, me devabus skribar ke ol esas la revuo qua havas maxim multa prestijo por l'Idistaro. En Francia, la docado di la regionala lingui esas nun permisata quankam kun restrikti kompare ad altra Europana landi. Me saveskis cavespere che radio ke la prefekti qui esas funcioneri qui guvernas la Franca departementi esas kelkafoye vera feudala siniori, mikra lokala tirani (ico relatas a la skandala gravega qua eventis segun la imperi dil prefekto en Korsika). Ni ne nur havas vera demokratio, ma ulamaniere ni ja retroiris a la Mezepoko por la maniero guvernar. Mankas nur statostroko e restauro di rejo. Dume, en Bruxelles naska Europa. Stranje, unlatere onu volas preparar la XXIma yarcento ye Europana nivelo, e ye Franca nacionala nivelo onu retroiras a fora pasinta tempi... Onu duros probable parolar pri la atento qua eventis en Korsika ne nur ye Franca skalo, ma anke en Europa, nam la rejimo (nome la republiko) esas serioze minacata en nia lando per la konsequi di ta skandalo. Kun kordiala ciberspacala saluti. jeanmartignon@minitel.net ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.eGroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 352 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 15632 invoked by uid 7770); 7 May 1999 18:49:56 -0000 Received: from www.minitel.net (HELO gmailint1.globalmail.net) (193.252.91.20) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 7 May 1999 18:49:56 -0000 Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 20:49:55 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199905071849.UAA22399@gmailint1.globalmail.net> From: jeanmartignon@minitel.net (JEAN MARTIGNON) Reply-To: jeanmartignon@minitel.net To: idolisto@egroups.com (IDOLISTO) MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] Juranaleti Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Kara cibernauti, Me redaktis e tiposkribis la numero 3 di "Letro Internaciona". Mankas nur fotokopiar e sendar olu. Ito postulos kelka tempo. Icafoye me tradukis okultista novelo qua fitas tre bone kun la nunala situeso. Forsan vi ne savas quo es Varanasi ? Vu saveskos lo. E kompreneble Tintin anuncos a vi la fino dil mondo pro la misterioza stelo qua balde kolizionos kun la Tero. Kun kordiala ciberspacala saluti. jeanmartignon@minitel.net ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.eGroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 353 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 18262 invoked by uid 7770); 7 May 1999 18:54:03 -0000 Received: from www.minitel.net (HELO gmailint1.globalmail.net) (193.252.91.20) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 7 May 1999 18:54:03 -0000 Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 20:54:03 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199905071854.UAA24585@gmailint1.globalmail.net> From: jeanmartignon@minitel.net (JEAN MARTIGNON) Reply-To: jeanmartignon@minitel.net To: idolisto@egroups.com (IDOLISTO) MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] Eroro Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit En la sequanta mesajo, onu ne devas lektar che la lineo objekto : Juranaleti ma Jurnaleti. Saluti kordiala. JM ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.eGroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 354 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 18118 invoked by uid 7770); 8 May 1999 05:53:29 -0000 Received: from www.minitel.net (HELO gmailint1.globalmail.net) (193.252.91.20) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 8 May 1999 05:53:29 -0000 Date: Sat, 8 May 1999 07:53:29 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199905080553.HAA15218@gmailint1.globalmail.net> From: jeanmartignon@minitel.net (JEAN MARTIGNON) Reply-To: jeanmartignon@minitel.net (JEAN MARTIGNON) To: idolisto@egroups.com (IDOLISTO) MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] [Fwd: Diversaji] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: jeanmartignon@minitel.net (JEAN MARTIGNON) Reply-To: jeanmartignon@minitel.net Received: from by with HTTP; Fri, 07 May 1999 19:48:31 +0200 Message-Id: <19990507194831@minitel.net> To: idolisto@egroups.com (IDOLISTO) Errors-To: jeanmartignon@minitel.net Subject: Diversaji X-MinitelNet: LU MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Kara cibernauto, Me demandas pardono pro eroro lingual, nome icamatine me skribis ke "Progreso" esas la revuo qua havas plu multa prestijo, me devabus skribar ke ol esas la revuo qua havas maxim multa prestijo por l'Idistaro. En Francia, la docado di la regionala lingui esas nun permisata quankam kun restrikti kompare ad altra Europana landi. Me saveskis cavespere che radio ke la prefekti qui esas funcioneri qui guvernas la Franca departementi esas kelkafoye vera feudala siniori, mikra lokala tirani (ico relatas a la skandala gravega qua eventis segun la imperi dil prefekto en Korsika). Ni ne nur havas vera demokratio, ma ulamaniere ni ja retroiris a la Mezepoko por la maniero guvernar. Mankas nur statostroko e restauro di rejo. Dume, en Bruxelles naska Europa. Stranje, unlatere onu volas preparar la XXIma yarcento ye Europana nivelo, e ye Franca nacionala nivelo onu retroiras a fora pasinta tempi... Onu duros probable parolar pri la atento qua eventis en Korsika ne nur ye Franca skalo, ma anke en Europa, nam la rejimo (nome la republiko) esas serioze minacata en nia lando per la konsequi di ta skandalo. Kun kordiala ciberspacala saluti. jeanmartignon@minitel.net ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.eGroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 355 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 18481 invoked by uid 7770); 8 May 1999 05:55:00 -0000 Received: from www.minitel.net (HELO gmailint1.globalmail.net) (193.252.91.20) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 8 May 1999 05:55:00 -0000 Date: Sat, 8 May 1999 07:55:00 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199905080555.HAA15276@gmailint1.globalmail.net> From: jeanmartignon@minitel.net (JEAN MARTIGNON) Reply-To: jeanmartignon@minitel.net (JEAN MARTIGNON) To: idolisto@egroups.com (IDOLISTO) MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] [Fwd: [Fwd: Diversaji]] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from gmvtx2 (gmailvtx2.globalmail.net [192.168.220.101]) by gmailint2.globalmail.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA16352 for jeanmartignon@minitel.net; Fri, 7 May 1999 21:34:26 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 21:34:26 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199905071934.VAA16352@gmailint2.globalmail.net> From: jeanmartignon@minitel.net (JEAN MARTIGNON) Reply-To: jeanmartignon@minitel.net (JEAN MARTIGNON) To: jeanmartignon@minitel.net Subject: [Fwd: Diversaji] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MinitelNet: LU From: jeanmartignon@minitel.net (JEAN MARTIGNON) Reply-To: jeanmartignon@minitel.net Received: from by with HTTP; Fri, 07 May 1999 19:48:31 +0200 Message-Id: <19990507194831@minitel.net> To: idolisto@egroups.com (IDOLISTO) Errors-To: jeanmartignon@minitel.net Subject: Diversaji X-MinitelNet: LU MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Kara cibernauto, Me demandas pardono pro eroro lingual, nome icamatine me skribis ke "Progreso" esas la revuo qua havas plu multa prestijo, me devabus skribar ke ol esas la revuo qua havas maxim multa prestijo por l'Idistaro. En Francia, la docado di la regionala lingui esas nun permisata quankam kun restrikti kompare ad altra Europana landi. Me saveskis cavespere che radio ke la prefekti qui esas funcioneri qui guvernas la Franca departementi esas kelkafoye vera feudala siniori, mikra lokala tirani (ico relatas a la skandala gravega qua eventis segun la imperi dil prefekto en Korsika). Ni ne nur havas vera demokratio, ma ulamaniere ni ja retroiris a la Mezepoko por la maniero guvernar. Mankas nur statostroko e restauro di rejo. Dume, en Bruxelles naska Europa. Stranje, unlatere onu volas preparar la XXIma yarcento ye Europana nivelo, e ye Franca nacionala nivelo onu retroiras a fora pasinta tempi... Onu duros probable parolar pri la atento qua eventis en Korsika ne nur ye Franca skalo, ma anke en Europa, nam la rejimo (nome la republiko) esas serioze minacata en nia lando per la konsequi di ta skandalo. Kun kordiala ciberspacala saluti. jeanmartignon@minitel.net ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.eGroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 356 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 5817 invoked by uid 7770); 8 May 1999 07:15:26 -0000 Received: from www.minitel.net (HELO gmailint1.globalmail.net) (193.252.91.20) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 8 May 1999 07:15:26 -0000 Date: Sat, 1 May 1999 12:20:40 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199905011020.MAA13783@gmailint1.globalmail.net> From: jeanmartignon@minitel.net (JEAN MARTIGNON) Reply-To: jeanmartignon@minitel.net To: idolisto@egroups.com (IDOLISTO) MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] 1ma Mayo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Kara samideani cibernauti, Hodie esas la unesma mayo dio di la labor-festo. En Francia, quale en multa landi me konjektas, ol esas festo-dio e la homi ne laboras. En Paris icadie esas defili de sindikati e de politika partisi. Omnube enstrade onu disvendas maiflori e preske singlu kompras mikra buketi o stipeti de maiflori. La maiflori komprita icadie e quin onu ofras a familiani od amiki havas la reputeso esar fortunigili. Por la anciena Kelti, ica dio esis la festo di Beltaine t.e. la festo dil rinaskanta naturo dil arbori e planti. Do, la unesma mayo havas longa tradiciono dop su en Europa. Onu kredas abandonir la anciena dei, ma li rinaskas altramaniere... Kun kordiala ciberspacala saluti. jeanmartignon@minitel.net ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.eGroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 357 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 5892 invoked by uid 7770); 8 May 1999 07:15:52 -0000 Received: from www.minitel.net (HELO gmailint1.globalmail.net) (193.252.91.20) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 8 May 1999 07:15:52 -0000 Date: Sat, 1 May 1999 12:28:27 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199905011028.MAA15687@gmailint1.globalmail.net> From: jeanmartignon@minitel.net (JEAN MARTIGNON) Reply-To: jeanmartignon@minitel.net (JEAN MARTIGNON) To: idolisto@egroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] 1ma Mayo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Kara samideani cibernauti, Hodie esas la unesma mayo dio di la labor-festo. En Francia, quale en multa landi me konjektas, ol esas festo-dio e la homi ne laboras. En Paris icadie esas defili de sindikati e de politika partisi. Omnube enstrade onu disvendas maiflori e preske singlu kompras mikra buketi o stipeti de maiflori. La maiflori komprita icadie e quin onu ofras a familiani od amiki havas la reputeso esar fortunigili. Por la anciena Kelti, ica dio esis la festo di Beltaine t.e. la festo dil rinaskanta naturo dil arbori e planti. Do, la unesma mayo havas longa tradiciono dop su en Europa. Onu kredas abandonir la anciena dei, ma li rinaskas altramaniere... Kun kordiala ciberspacala saluti. jeanmartignon@minitel.net ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.eGroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 358 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 22602 invoked by uid 7770); 8 May 1999 08:42:03 -0000 Received: from mail.utfors.se (195.58.103.125) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 8 May 1999 08:42:03 -0000 Received: from md4690b90.utfors.se (md4690b90.utfors.se [212.105.11.144]) by mail.utfors.se (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA06744 for ; Sat, 8 May 1999 10:41:59 +0200 (MET DST) To: idolisto@egroups.com From: loerne@ling.gu.se (Christer Loernemark) Date: Sat, 8 May 1999 10:43:01 +0100 Message-ID: <19990508104301669048@md4690b90.utfors.se> MIME-Version: 1.0 Organization: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?G=F6teborg?= University X-Mailer: MacSOUP 2.2b3 Subject: [ido] [idolisto] artiklo da =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Lars=E9n?= (1914) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable En la biblioteko di Esperanto-Societo de Gotenburgo me trovis fest-libro Id= ala, imprimita en 1914 okazione dil 50esma aniversario di Per Ahlberg. En o= l trovesas ica artiklo: --------------------------------------------------= ---------------------- --------------------------------- Ek la mondolingual= a vivo en G"oteborg da K. L. Lars=E9n (instruktisto populskolala, G"oteborg= ) Prefaco. Me skribabis longa artiklo pri la dekyarala stabileso por la f= estimprimuro a mea amiko sioro P. Ahlberg. Regretinde mea skriburo divenis = tro sika. Ol repozas nun en la paperokorbo. Nam me ne volas ofrar sika pape= roflori a la vivanta energio en la Sueda mondolinguala movado. Me mustas ko= nseque kolektar ulo ek la vivanta Idovivo hike. La Mondolinguala Societo = Ido. esas granda societo. Ol havas adminime du membri e sioro Patrik. Patr= ik esas la granda olda viro, rentiero ed altro. La du membri esas me e Peve= . Me e Peve decidis sequar la traci di Patrik ed anke divenar granda olda v= iri e rentieri. Vivez Patrik! Patrik en Idokunveno. "Ido" havis granda k= unveno. Omna membri asistis, t.e. Patrik, Peve e me. Patrik facis granda di= skurso. Il dicis adminime du Idala vorti. La tota asemblo tacas e meditas p= ri la granda diskurso. On ne volas uzar la vortolibro. Subite Patrik facas= la granda gesto a sua vortolibro. Il dicas: "Me ne komprenas. Me mustas vi= dar, quon me dicis." La restanta esperantisto. Hike ni havas granda Espo= societo. La granda Esposocieto invitis la anke granda Idosocieto. Sioro Pev= e aceptis ed advenis. Il trovis un membro: la prezidanto, sioro Kaao, ipsa.= Peve questionis: "Ube tu havas tua esperantisti?" "Mea esperantisti", il= respondis e vidis tra la fenestro, quale la patro vidis pos sua perdita fi= lio, "mea esperantisti, li esas ... li esas ... en la membrolisto." Kaao n= e ploris. La trauro esis tro granda. [...] Espo en la milito. La Mondoli= nguala Societo Ido e la Mondolinguoklubo dil Laboristi havas kune granda ku= nveno. On meditas pri la novajo, ke espo facas a la "Reda kruco" granda se= rvi en la milito, ma on ne komprenas quale. Multa Idala pensi naskas en la = membri. Subite ula voco klamas: "Komprenas! La vunditi krias -aj, -aj, -oj= , -oj. Ed ico esas espo!" Tante bonega esas espo. Finovorti. Ankore mul= ta anekdotin me povas rakontar. Ma Peve ne volas. Il timas, ke lua grandioz= a homajopoemo venos en la ombro. E me mustar obediar mea prezidanto. Vua K= aa"all "All. --------------------------------------------------------------= ---------- --------------------------------- Komenti: En la Sueda "aj!" u= zesas ye subita doloro (Angle "ouch!"), e "oj!" esas krio di surprizo (Angl= e "whoops!"). En la omnadiala jurnalo Ny Tid [=3DNova Tempo] de 17 oktobro= 1910 trovesas notico pri la fondo di V=E4rldsspr=E5ksf=F6reningen Ido (la = Mondolinguala klubo Ido) en G"oteborg. Inter la fondinti trovesis Lars=E9n,= la prezidanto Patrik Hedlund, e P.W. Th=F6rnqvist, mencionita en la texto.= Adminime komence trovesis kelka plura membri. Me ankore ne trovis informi = pri en qua yaro la klubo dissolveskis. En 1916 imprimesis lernolibro da La= rs=E9n: "L"arobok i Ido j"amte kort Ido-svensk ordlista" (Lernolibro pri Id= o kun kurta Ido-Sueda vort-listo). Idoklubben Blanka Stelo, G"oteborg, edit= is la libro. Supozeble la klubo mencionita en la artiklo da Lars=E9n esas "= Blanka Stelo". Christer L"ornemark --------------------------------------= ---------------------------------- eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/grou= p/idolisto http://www.eGroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 359 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 21884 invoked by uid 7770); 8 May 1999 11:03:48 -0000 Received: from mout0.01019freenet.de (194.97.109.116) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 8 May 1999 11:03:48 -0000 Received: from [62.104.201.2] (helo=mx1.01019freenet.de) by mout0.01019freenet.de with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #7) id 10g4tX-0002Pa-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Sat, 8 May 1999 13:03:47 +0200 Received: from [212.81.171.196] (helo=www) by mx1.01019freenet.de with smtp (Exim 2.12 #7) id 10g4tN-000132-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Sat, 8 May 1999 13:03:37 +0200 Message-ID: <002201be9941$f13726c0$c4ab51d4@www.fen.baynet.de> From: "Frank Kasper" To: "Idolisto (Mesaji)" Date: Sat, 8 May 1999 12:43:46 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Subject: [ido] Re: Komento d'Alfred Neussner relate l'apareso di Ido-revui Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kara amiki! Yen komento da sioro Alfred Neussner koncerne la recente diskuti pri nia Ido-revui: Sismonatala edito di PROGRESO ne nur exajerus nia prezenta financala posiblesi, ma men se ni havus la pekunio, lore restus la problemo di la kontenajo. Tante multo ni ne havas imprimenda. Koram ica situeso me konsideras kom absurda projetar plusa Ido-revuo. Por PROGRESO esus ampla literaturala parto apta suplemento. Kande foye existos abundanta stoko di skripturi literaturala, tante granda, ke la PROGRESO-redaktero jemas, ke lu ne savas quale imprimar ico omno, lore ni povas reflektar pri specala revuo por ica skopo. Ni anke bezonas revuo por vivo-reformeri, por filateliisti, por voyajemi, por Budhisti, por shak-luderi etp., -- esas omno posibla en Ido, - nur qua skriba, pagas ed abonas ica revui? Ni havas 2 revui, l'una por la plu alta nivelo (PROGRESO), ed Ido-Saluto por la plu generala texti, kom " bulvarda revuo " quale on dicas en Germania. Ni unesme plenigez oli e sorgez por to, ke li reguloze aparos. Pose ni povos diskutar pri irga plusa revuo, Kompreneble anke existas la "Letro Internaciona", ma ol esas precipue l'edituro di s-ro Martignon, quo es laudinda. Kordiala saluti Alfred Neussner alfred.neussner@idolinguo.de Ica mesajo esis transsendata ad "Idolisto" da Frank Kasper frank.kasper@01019freenet.de ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.eGroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 360 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 29266 invoked by uid 7770); 8 May 1999 19:25:18 -0000 Received: from www.minitel.net (HELO gmailint2.globalmail.net) (193.252.91.20) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 8 May 1999 19:25:18 -0000 Date: Sat, 8 May 1999 21:25:16 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199905081925.VAA12694@gmailint2.globalmail.net> From: jeanmartignon@minitel.net (JEAN MARTIGNON) Reply-To: jeanmartignon@minitel.net (JEAN MARTIGNON) To: idolisto@egroups.com (IDOLISTO) MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] [Fwd: La sanskrita] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from mail.agl.fr (netra.agl.fr [194.51.117.1]) by gmailint2.globalmail.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA12351 for Jeanmartignon@minitel.net; Sat, 8 May 1999 21:22:42 +0200 (MET DST) From: Exterterano@xmail.org Message-Id: <199905081922.VAA12351@gmailint2.globalmail.net> To: Jeanmartignon@minitel.net Date: Sat, 08 May 1999 21:19:57 GMT Subject: La sanskrita X-MinitelNet: LU Kara Teran amiki, Ulafoye existis linguo tam artificala kam Ido qua divenis internaciona linguo, nome la sanskrita. La sanskrita qua esis perfektigita linguo di la Veda-i da genioza gramatikisto ye la nomo Panini cirkum la IVma yarcento ante Kristo. Ita linguo, komence parolata nulaloke esis uzata por la inter-regiona komuniki en India. Pose, pro ke la kulturo Indiana esis tre brilanta, la sanskrita adoptesis kom helpanta linguo en la vicina landi di India ed ito bone funcionis. Do, ja existis olim artificala linguo qua uzesis por limitizita internaciona relati. Ciberspacala saluti. E.T. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.eGroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 361 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 30178 invoked by uid 7770); 9 May 1999 05:12:38 -0000 Received: from www.minitel.net (HELO gmailint1.globalmail.net) (193.252.91.20) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 9 May 1999 05:12:38 -0000 Date: Sun, 9 May 1999 07:12:38 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199905090512.HAA11826@gmailint1.globalmail.net> From: jeanmartignon@minitel.net (JEAN MARTIGNON) Reply-To: jeanmartignon@minitel.net To: idolisto@egroups.com (IDOLISTO) MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] Printempala vetero Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Kara cibernauti, Hike en Francilia *, erste nun la vetero diveneskas printempala. Me tote ne presavas, kad ito duros dum longa tempo. Ni havas nul ideo pri la somerala tempo e pri la rekolti. En west-Europa nia agrokultivo konkurencesas da olta di Usa e dil est-Europana landi. Ito es ekonomiala plago por ni. Probable la nura solvo es developar la biologiala agrokultivo. En Francia pro diversa motivi quan me nesavas ito esas tre desfacila tasko. Kun kordiala ciberspacala saluti. * Francilia: Parisana regiono. France: Ile de France. jeanmartignon@minitel.net ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.eGroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 362 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 24261 invoked by uid 7770); 9 May 1999 19:48:46 -0000 Received: from www.minitel.net (HELO gmailint2.globalmail.net) (193.252.91.20) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 9 May 1999 19:48:46 -0000 Date: Sun, 9 May 1999 21:48:45 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199905091948.VAA04679@gmailint2.globalmail.net> From: jeanmartignon@minitel.net (JEAN MARTIGNON) Reply-To: jeanmartignon@minitel.net To: idolisto@egroups.com (IDOLISTO) MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] Diglosio (*) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Kara cibernauti, En multa landi la parolata linguo esas sat diferanta de la literaturala linguo. La linguisti nomizas ica situeso diglosio (*). En ula landi, la difero esas tre granda e preske parolesas pri quaze du diferanta lingui. En Grekia til 1976 existis du lingui : oficala statala linguo ne tro fora de la antiqua Greka linguo qua nomesis Katharevoussa t.e. purista linguo e populala linguo parolata da omni ed uzata kelkafoye da kelka autori e nomata dimotiki (populala linguo). Nun ica "dimotiki" divenis oficala e la diglosio finis. En Francia nunatempe, la difero esas granda inter la literturala linguo e l'omnadia linguo, ma preske nulu pensas redaktar en la singladia linguo e la difero kreskas inter la oficala linguo qua esas tre stabila e mem konservema e la parolata linguo qua evolucionas sat rapide. Kad en via landi existas anke situeso de diglosio ? O nur mikra ne tre importanta difero inter skribita linguo e parolata linguo ? Kun kordiala ciberspacala saluti. jeanmartignon@minitel.net ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.eGroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 363 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 25932 invoked by uid 7770); 9 May 1999 19:53:25 -0000 Received: from farida.a2000.nl (HELO smtp1.a2000.nl) (62.108.1.19) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 9 May 1999 19:53:25 -0000 Received: from node118d7.a2000.nl ([24.132.24.215] helo=default) by smtp1.a2000.nl with smtp (Exim 2.02 #4) id 10gZdc-0002nM-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Sun, 9 May 1999 21:53:24 +0200 Message-ID: <004301be9a56$634ce000$d7188418@default.a2000.nl> From: "Ido-Info" To: "idolisto" Date: Sun, 9 May 1999 21:59:03 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Subject: [ido] Mondolinguala Societo Ido Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kar amiki, kar amiko Christer, Yes, yes, me savas, me es libera ca vespero, pro to l' inundo de e-postala mesaji! Me lektis tre amuzanta mesajo sendita da Christer, es tre ridinda, vere! Me rikonocas multe de la reala kunveni, nur, prezente on vere parolas pri "granda asocieto", nam la nombro di Idisti...duopleskis!!! Ne tri, ma sis partoprenanti ;-). Parolante pri progreso... Quo astonigis me es la senco di realeso quan havis ta "ula voco", qua klamis ke soldati vundita komprenas plu bone l' Esperanto pro le aj-aj, oj-oj. Grandioze. Voluntez, se vu havas, plusa tala mesaji. Saluti amikala, Hans St. ************************************************ Ido, linguo internaciona, absolute vizitez: http://members.tripod.com/~avancigado ************************************************ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.eGroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 364 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 25937 invoked by uid 7770); 9 May 1999 19:53:26 -0000 Received: from farida.a2000.nl (HELO smtp1.a2000.nl) (62.108.1.19) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 9 May 1999 19:53:26 -0000 Received: from node118d7.a2000.nl ([24.132.24.215] helo=default) by smtp1.a2000.nl with smtp (Exim 2.02 #4) id 10gZOY-0001hS-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Sun, 9 May 1999 21:37:50 +0200 Message-ID: <003d01be9a54$36964260$d7188418@default.a2000.nl> From: "Ido-Info" To: "idolisto" Date: Sun, 9 May 1999 21:43:29 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Subject: [ido] 4 foyi Progreso Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kar amiko A. Neussner, Me ne komprenas de ube vu havas la nombro de SIS foyi Progreso. Me kredas ke koncernis 4 foyi Progreso, nur 1 plusa numero po yaro, ne povas esar tro multa e chera, segun mea opiniono. Ma anke edito di nova revuo, irgamikra, irgaspecalistala, sempre esez bon-venanta. Ultre to, ni vivas en parto di la mondo, ube regnas relative granda libereso di parolo, ka ne? Qua impedos me od irgu editar irga revuo, se me deziras? "...pose ni povos diskutar pri irga plusa revuo" sonas kelke, pardonez a me la komparo, diktatoratre a me. Saluti amikala, Hans St. ************************************************ Ido, linguo internaciona, absolute vizitez: http://members.tripod.com/~avancigado ************************************************ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.eGroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 365 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 25944 invoked by uid 7770); 9 May 1999 19:53:27 -0000 Received: from farida.a2000.nl (HELO smtp1.a2000.nl) (62.108.1.19) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 9 May 1999 19:53:27 -0000 Received: from node118d7.a2000.nl ([24.132.24.215] helo=default) by smtp1.a2000.nl with smtp (Exim 2.02 #4) id 10gZEw-0000tS-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Sun, 9 May 1999 21:27:54 +0200 Message-ID: <003901be9a52$d3503f40$d7188418@default.a2000.nl> From: "Ido-Info" To: "idolisto" Date: Sun, 9 May 1999 21:33:32 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Subject: [ido] sanamente habitar la tero, la Sanskrita Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kar amiki, kar amiko Thom, Vua Ido suficis por klarigar a ni la frazo: "La tero es tre bela loko por vizitar, ma qui vere dezirus sanamente lojar hike?" Se es bela, pro quo ne? Nur, quale ja skribis Dmitri Laptsionak, "bona esas, ube ni ne esas", ed il povas esar justa. Omnafoye kande homo intermixas l' iro di la naturo, katastrofi ekologiala eventas, regretinde. Kar amiko Dmitri, Hodie la vetero esis nekredinde agreabla en Amsterdam. Maxim ofte, che ni es quale che vu. Komenco di aprilo bele, e pose koldeskas. Ma, fortunoze, ne ca yaro, nun mayo vere komencis bele, e me esperas ke restez tale! Vu komprenas, ke anke a vu me deziras tre bela vetero! En qua urbo vu lojas, kad es bela urbo? Me ne deziras esar 'shovinisto', o simile, ma Amsterdam vere es tre bela dum la somero, tre verda la planti, e gaya la homi. Terasi, turisti, edc. Do, anke a vu, printempala saluti! Koncernante la diferanta tipi di literi en Ido-Saluto, oli ne es pro deziro dil autori, ma pro la kompozero dil artikli (qua es me). Me opinionis ke esus plu vivac aspektanta, tale. Me recevis plendi pri la litero per qua kompozesis la raporto pri la voyajo ad India, da Alfred Neussner. Me chanjos to. Savez, ke omna komento esez bon-venanta. Kar amiko Jean Martignon, Danko pro la naraco pri la Sanskrita. Ol es tre esperigiva. Se ni durigas l' uzo di Ido, qua savas qual efekto havos. Saluti amikala, Hans St. ************************************************ Ido, linguo internaciona, absolute vizitez: http://members.tripod.com/~avancigado ************************************************ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.eGroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 366 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 3662 invoked by uid 7770); 10 May 1999 06:57:49 -0000 Received: from cgews1.hum.nagoya-cu.ac.jp (202.35.194.1) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 10 May 1999 06:57:49 -0000 Received: from [202.35.194.63] ([202.35.194.63]) by cgews1.hum.nagoya-cu.ac.jp (8.9.3/3.7W99022518) with ESMTP id PAA04836 for ; Mon, 10 May 1999 15:55:26 +0900 (JST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Macintosh Eudora Pro Version 4.0.1J Message-Id: Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 16:01:02 +0900 To: idolisto@egroups.com From: "MORITA, Akira" Subject: [ido] Ka Sro Guenter Anton eroris? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-2022-JP" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kara IDOLISTANI! ante cirkum dek dii Sro Fedorchenko avertis pri la erora uzo dil prepoziciono "EK". 1) La viro venas de Murmansk. 2) La viro venas (od esas) EK Murmansk. Malgre la instrukciono da de Beaufront, l'amba frazi esas por me evidente klara e seque korekta. Dum ke en la unesma exemplo Murmansk esas geografial punto, ube la viro departas, la duesma montras ne nur punto, ma (vasta) areo kontenanta miliono de homi. Ed ica viro esas (od eventuale esis) anke habitanto ibe. Qua havas imagino, ke la viro konsistas ek materio nomizita "Murmansk"? Semblas ke la latinida lingui generale havas kustumo expresar la du nuanci per la moyeno di "DE". Ka la uzado di EK en la supra kazo esas germanismo, quan heredas anke Esperanto? (Se yes, me es ankore plu Esperantisto kam Idisto.) Kordial saluti Akira M. MORITA, Akira $B!!!J?9ED!!L@!K(B morita@hum.nagoya-cu.ac.jp ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.eGroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 367 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 29361 invoked by uid 7770); 10 May 1999 08:10:42 -0000 Received: from farida.a2000.nl (HELO smtp1.a2000.nl) (62.108.1.19) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 10 May 1999 08:10:42 -0000 Received: from node118d7.a2000.nl ([24.132.24.215] helo=default) by smtp1.a2000.nl with smtp (Exim 2.02 #4) id 10gl97-0002Lf-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Mon, 10 May 1999 10:10:41 +0200 Message-ID: <003001be9abd$625fe220$d7188418@default.a2000.nl> From: "Ido-Info" To: "idolisto" Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 10:16:19 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Subject: [ido] =?iso-8859-1?Q?l'_erori_di_G=FCnter?= Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kar amiki e kar Akira Morita, Yes, anke me kredis ke tam 'ek' kam 'de' esus la sama, quale me es kustumata de la Nederlandana, linguo qua relatas la Germana. Ma tamen, se on komparez la kazo al Angla, lore on trovas: He is from Murmansk - origino (ne nur konsistar, ma anke direciono) He is out (of) Murmansk - prepoziciono: ne esar en Germanika linguo quale l' Angla klare distingas l' uzo di 'ek' e 'de'. E honeste, me devas dicar ke me opinionas lo plu klara, on direte vidas quo es vizata. Latinida lingui nur uzas 'de' quale germanika lingui nur 'ek', quale vu ja remarkis. En la Nederlandana on sempre bezonas indikar lo vizata per la verbo, probable same kam en la Germana: Hij 'komt' uit Moermansk [Il 'venas' ek Murmansk] - Il es de Murmansk Hij 'is' uit Moermansk [Il 'es' ek Murmansk] - Il es ek Murmansk Quale es en la Japoniana? Saluti amikala, Hans St. ************************************************ Ido, linguo internaciona, absolute vizitez: http://members.tripod.com/~avancigado ************************************************ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.eGroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 368 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 5611 invoked by uid 7770); 10 May 1999 09:41:27 -0000 Received: from farida.a2000.nl (HELO smtp1.a2000.nl) (62.108.1.19) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 10 May 1999 09:41:27 -0000 Received: from node118d7.a2000.nl ([24.132.24.215] helo=default) by smtp1.a2000.nl with smtp (Exim 2.02 #4) id 10gmYt-0000P4-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Mon, 10 May 1999 11:41:23 +0200 Message-ID: <005601be9aca$0e53d940$d7188418@default.a2000.nl> From: "Ido-Info" To: "idolisto" Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 11:46:58 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Subject: [ido] Komenius ed India, Hungariana lecioni Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Nova texti es adjuntita al interreto: - Komenius (Jan Amos Komensky) ye: http://www.angelfire.com/id/Avance/KOMENIUS.html - India, ulo remarkinda pri http://www.angelfire.com/id/Avance/INDIA.html e me durigis l' Ido-lecioni por Hungariani, on komencas ye: http://www.angelfire.com/id/Avance/idonyelvtan.html Co por via informo. Saluti amikala, Hans St. ************************************************ Ido, linguo internaciona, absolute vizitez: http://members.tripod.com/~avancigado ************************************************ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.eGroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 369 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 20738 invoked by uid 7770); 10 May 1999 11:49:52 -0000 Received: from mout00.kundenserver.de (195.20.224.69) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 10 May 1999 11:49:52 -0000 Received: from [195.20.224.67] (helo=mx00.kundenserver.de) by mout00.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 10goZB-00066J-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Mon, 10 May 1999 13:49:49 +0200 Received: from [212.122.136.94] (helo=www) by mx00.kundenserver.de with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 10goZ7-00038P-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Mon, 10 May 1999 13:49:45 +0200 Message-ID: <002001be9ada$b308d0c0$5e887ad4@www.fen.baynet.de> From: "Frank Kasper" To: "Idolisto (Mesaji)" Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 13:30:22 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Subject: [ido] Re: Trublado di diversa servi Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kara amiki! Kun grandega regreto me devas konstatar, ke diversa interret-servi uzata da me trublesas prezente. Tale me nek povas recevar mesaji per mea e-postala adresi: frank.kasper@idolinguo.de e frank.kasper@01019freenet.de Pro to me tempale membrigis ad Idolisto per mea kreita erste ante kelka dii Esperanto-adreso: frank.kasper@esperanto-nuernberg.de qua prezente funcionas koncerne la dissendo e la recevo di mesaji. Kordiala saluti a vi omni! Frank Kasper frank.kasper@idolinguo.de ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.eGroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 370 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 20382 invoked by uid 7770); 10 May 1999 13:51:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO epmsa001.ep.minsk.by) (194.226.122.227) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 10 May 1999 13:51:46 -0000 Received: by epmsa001.ep.minsk.by with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Mon, 10 May 1999 16:35:27 +0300 Message-ID: <8D76D48EDDD3D211AC3000A0C98212E703A7BA@epmsa001.ep.minsk.by> From: "Dmitri P. Laptsionak" To: 'IDOLISTO' Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 16:35:24 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Subject: [ido] Profesionala vortari Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1251" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Saluti me sendas ad omni, qua uzas ca bel idiomo En mea kompanio ("mea" en senco - en qua me laboras, ma ne proprietas ;-) on uzas Rusa lingua por relatar inter kolegi orale (per voco) e sempre Angla kande on skribas irgo ad ulu. Mem se ad Germano, Franco, Chino e. t. p. Plu juste ni uzas "mala Angla", ya poka savas ol perfekte. Me joye dicus a chefi e omna laboranti: "Ni omna uzes Ido - maxim bona, facila e logika linguo, speciale facita por internacionala komunikado! Yen esas gramatiko, yen kurta kursi - singlu rapide povas lernar la linguo. E nia traktadi esos plu agreabla e facila!" Ma on certe dicos a me: "Ka vu havas vortaro por nia profesionala temi? Quale ni tradukos nia speciala vorti?" Yen esas problemo. Me savas, ke estimata sioro Zeno kolektas komputila vorti, to esos tre bone, ma existas anke multa altra sub-lingui: pri ekonomiko, politiko, transporto e. c. Ka ni esas preta por enirar nuntempa mondo? Me ne havas vortari, nur ta listo di vorti, qua me prenis ek Internet, do me ne savas, forsan en ula granda vortaro ja existas multa profesionala vorti. Zmicier Lapcionak ------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.eGroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 371 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 9334 invoked by uid 7770); 10 May 1999 14:27:11 -0000 Received: from farida.a2000.nl (HELO smtp1.a2000.nl) (62.108.1.19) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 10 May 1999 14:27:11 -0000 Received: from node118d7.a2000.nl ([24.132.24.215] helo=default) by smtp1.a2000.nl with smtp (Exim 2.02 #4) id 10gr1S-0004x4-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Mon, 10 May 1999 16:27:10 +0200 Message-ID: <009b01be9af1$fbcd8aa0$d7188418@default.a2000.nl> From: "Ido-Info" To: "idolisto" Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 16:32:51 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Subject: [ido] profesionala vorti Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kar amiko Dmitri, La vortotrezoro di Ido es plu ampla kam vu expektas. Ma, regretinde, me es certa ke mankas multa vorti moderna. Vu es justa. Tamen, por interhelpar ni, forsan es posibla krear dicionario profesionala. Do, questionez omna vorti quin vu renkontras, bezonas e/o deziras havar tradukit aden Ido. Vorti qui ankore ne existas en Ido, ni povas krear, per helpo di la GAFIRS-lingui. Me kredas ke povas esar tre interesanta projeto. Me dicus: questionez. Saluti amikala, Hans Stuifbergen. ************************************************ Ido, linguo internaciona, absolute vizitez: http://members.tripod.com/~avancigado ************************************************ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.eGroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 372 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 24922 invoked by uid 7770); 10 May 1999 18:27:54 -0000 Received: from www.minitel.net (HELO gmailint1.globalmail.net) (193.252.91.20) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 10 May 1999 18:27:54 -0000 Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 20:27:53 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199905101827.UAA21730@gmailint1.globalmail.net> From: jeanmartignon@minitel.net (JEAN MARTIGNON) Reply-To: jeanmartignon@minitel.net To: idolisto@egroups.com (IDOLISTO) MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] Frumento-siropo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Kara cibernauti, Hodie me kompris en vendeyo pri naturala produkturi frumento-siropo. Ica biologiala frumento-siropo havas por tale dicar la sama saporo kam l'acero-siropo di Kanada e mem me opinionas ke ol esas plu saporoza. Yen nova formo de sukro. Saluti ad omni. jeanmartignon@minitel.net ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.eGroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 373 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 2807 invoked by uid 7770); 10 May 1999 21:24:33 -0000 Received: from mail2.ip.pt (194.79.69.132) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 10 May 1999 21:24:33 -0000 Received: from clientec (pm-lx-8-48.net.ip.pt [195.23.96.176]) by mail2.ip.pt with ESMTP id WAA09786 for < idolisto@egroups.com>; Mon, 10 May 1999 22:23:53 +0100 (WEST) Message-Id: <199905102123.WAA09786@mail2.ip.pt> Reply-To: From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Gon=E7alo_Neves?=" To: "IDOLISTO" Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 22:06:00 +0200 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] Pri "de" , "ek" e Beaufront Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Kar amiki, Yen mia opiniono pri la prepozicioni "de" e "ek". Nia kara markezo kontredicas su ipsa. Unesme il dicas (KGD, p. 75): "la hundo saltis ek la barelo (lu esis _en_ la barelo); la hundo saltis de la barelo (lu esis nur _an_ la barelo). Do atencez ne konfundar _ek_ a _de_; nam, quale vu vidas, _ek_ supozas, ke on esis _en_ la loko, kontre ke _de_ supozas, ke on esis nur _an_ od _apud_ olu." Pose il dicas (KGD, p. 75): "Ne konfundez _ek_ al punto di deveno. Dicez: Me recevis letro _de_ Paris, ne _ek_ Paris." Ka vu remarkis la kontredico? Yen do, imaginez lo sequanta. Paulus habitas en Paris. En Paris. Interne di Paris. Petrus habitas en Lyon, do ekster Paris. Se Paulus sendas letro a Petrus, ol iras ek Paris (nam ol esis interne di Paris) a Lyon. Petrus do darfas dicar: "Me recevis letro ek Paris". Me ne volas komparar Paris kun barelo, ma pro quo hundo darfas saltar ek barelo e letro ne darfas sendesar ek Paris. Ka la barelo ne kontenis la hundo same kam Paris kontenis la letro? Imaginez nun lo sequanta. Ioannes habitas en suburbo an Paris. Il sendas letro a Petrus, qua habitas en Lyon. Segun la barelo-rezono, la letro iras de Paris a Lyon, e do Petrus darfas dicar: "Me recevis letro de Paris." E nun yen forsan interesiva questiono. Pro quo Beaufront kontredicas su ipsa? Nu, on ne obliviez ke la Detaloza aparis en 1925, kande la Idisti naive pensis (kelki ankore pensas tale) ke la Esperantisti esas la rivali quin oportas konvinkar e persuadar. La Detaloza esas plena de noti e komenti qui vizas la Esperantisti e lia linguo. On darfas mem dicar ke la Detaloza havis duopla skopo: unlatere docar la linguo internaciona Ido ed erektar modeli lingual e stilal por la Idistaro; altralatere revelar (o mem denuncar) la febla punti di Esperanto. Kelkafoye co efektigesas tote klare, e mem per remarkigi kelke shikanatra; altrafoye Beaufront preferas exajerar la logikozeso di Ido, kun la skopo kontrastigar la ambigueso di Esperanto. On merkez la lora konjunturo e sempre egardez ol dum studiar la Detaloza, nam kelkafoye oportas lektar "inter la linei". Quon do Beaufront volis kontrastigar per tal distingo di "ek" e "de", tro rigoroza, rigida e mem kelke pedantatra? Nu, la prepoziciono Esperantal "de" divenabis tante laxa, ke la Esperantisti komencis atribuar nelogikoza senci a la prepoziciono "el" (nia "ek"), dicante exemple "traduki el Esperanto" ("tradukar ek Esperanto"), por kelke alejar la kompatinda "de", qua esis vera "faktotum". To esis nur surogato. La linguo Ido prizentante tri propozicioni ("de", "di" e "da") por la multa taski dil "de" Esperantal, Beaufront volis tre forte emfazar ke la prepozicioni Idal havas senco multe min vasta ed ambigua kam le Esperantal, e ke konseque, la Idisti ne bezonas rekursar a surogati nelogikoza. Taskope il restriktis la senco-domeno dil prepozicioni til limiti qui ne sempre fitas en kondicioni real dil vivo omnadia. Imaginez lo sequanta. Paulus videskas Petrus en la strado e questionas il: "De ube vu venas?". La respondo maxim natural es: "De la butiko". Ka vere importas, ka Petrus esis interne di la butiko regardante la vari, od an la butiko, exemple adosita sur la pordo-fosto e regardante la flananti? No. Nek la questioninto bezonis tanta precizeso nek la respondinto judikis ol kom necesa. E kustumale eventas ico. La vivo es tro rapida o tro matida por ke on suciez ita detali. Pluse, es danjeroza tro precize fixigar la detali. Imaginez nun kato qua es en chambro. Petrus stacas exter la chambro. Nun la kato venas a Petrus. Nula dubito. La kato venas ek la chambro. Nun la kato esas an la chambro-pordo ma exter la chambro. Petrus duras stacar exter la chambro. La bestio venas a Petrus. Sendubite lu venas de la chambro. Ma quon on dicus se la bestio havus duimo de la korpo en la chambro e duimo exter ol e nun venus a Petrus? Ka lu venus ek o de la chambro? E se lu havus nur la kaudo en la chambro? Ka ek o de? On povus imaginar multega nuanci simila. Ka konkluzo? Nu, me opinionas ke la prepoziciono "de" es kelke laxa per kontenar plura nuanci pri la deveno-punto. Ol ya kontenas adminime yena nuanci: "de en", "de an", "de sur" e "de sub". Por la unesma nuanco ("de en"), existas anke la prepoziciono "ek", qua es uzinda nur kande on bezonas o mustas (pro klareso) precizigar ke la movo o la deveno efektigesas de interne ad extere. Same pri l' altra nuanci: kande oportas precizigar, on precizigas (la kato saltas de sur la tablo, de sub la tablo, de an la fenestro, edc), ma nur kande oportas. Dicar "me recevis letro ek Paris" ne es do eroroza, ma nur tro preciza, nenecese preciza, pro kontenar informo ecesiva, nedemandita, nevolata. Me exkuzas me pro facir quaza esayo pri kozo tante mikra. Kun saluti kordial, Gon�alo Neves ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.eGroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 374 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 36 invoked by uid 7770); 10 May 1999 23:07:19 -0000 Received: from farida.a2000.nl (HELO smtp1.a2000.nl) (62.108.1.19) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 10 May 1999 23:07:19 -0000 Received: from node118d7.a2000.nl ([24.132.24.215] helo=default) by smtp1.a2000.nl with smtp (Exim 2.02 #4) id 10gz8p-0006aJ-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Tue, 11 May 1999 01:07:19 +0200 Message-ID: <001401be9b3a$a4edaa00$d7188418@default.a2000.nl> From: "Ido-Info" To: "idolisto" Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 01:12:58 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Subject: [ido] extra exemplero di Progreso Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kar amiko Jacques, No, me regretas informar vu ke me ankore ne recevis extra exemplero di Progreso no. 315 por sendar a mea amiko en Turkia. Mea prezenta e-postal adresi es: hans.stuifbergen@idolinguo.de od: Ido-Info@zap.A2000.nl Amba adresi duktas a mea e-postala programo. Saluti kordiala, anke a Marcella, Hans St. ************************************************ Ido, linguo internaciona, absolute vizitez: http://members.tripod.com/~avancigado ************************************************ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.eGroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 375 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 13607 invoked by uid 7770); 12 May 1999 16:25:26 -0000 Received: from mout1.01019freenet.de (62.104.201.3) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 12 May 1999 16:25:26 -0000 Received: from [62.104.201.2] (helo=mx1.01019freenet.de) by mout1.01019freenet.de with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #7) id 10hboz-0006Zj-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Wed, 12 May 1999 18:25:25 +0200 Received: from [212.81.173.175] (helo=www) by mx1.01019freenet.de with smtp (Exim 2.12 #7) id 10hbor-00070j-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Wed, 12 May 1999 18:25:17 +0200 Message-ID: <002001be9c93$80a3da20$afad51d4@fen.baynet.de> From: "Frank Kasper" To: "Idolisto (Mesaji)" Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 18:15:32 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Subject: [ido] Re: Nova interretilo Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kara amiki! Me jus sucesoze instalis nova interretilo 5.0, qua anke kontenas la nova e-postala programo "Outlook Express 5". Me tre esperas, ke me future ankore plu komfortoze povos "promenar" tra l'interreto. Me nun deziras a vi omni agreabla tempo. Kordiala saluti a vi omni! Frank Kasper frank.kasper@01019freenet.de ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.eGroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 376 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 17398 invoked by uid 7770); 12 May 1999 17:20:59 -0000 Received: from gilliam.vip.uk.com (194.176.218.1) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 12 May 1999 17:20:59 -0000 Received: from default (VIP-202-133.vip.uk.com [194.176.202.133]) by gilliam.vip.uk.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id SAA17830 for ; Wed, 12 May 1999 18:20:45 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <000001be9c9a$b8084940$85cab0c2@default> From: "wood" To: Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 18:08:55 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Subject: [ido] diglosio* Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001A_01BE9CA2.7FF748A0" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ------=_NextPart_000_001A_01BE9CA2.7FF7448A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Kar idolistani Komenti pri diglosio* da Sioro Jean Martignon multe interesi= s me. Semblas a me ke parolata Ido divenus diferanta de skribita Ido. On om= isus substantival -o ed uzus afixi nur ube absolute necesa. Amikal saluti T= om Wood -----------------------------------------------------------------= ------- eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.eGrou= ps.com - Simplifying group communications ------=_NextPart_000_001A_01BE9CA2.7FF7448A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable content-type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1"
Kar idolistani
Komenti pri diglosio* da Sioro Jean Martignon = multe interesis me. Semblas a me ke parolata Ido divenus diferanta de skrib= ita Ido. On omisus substantival -o ed uzus
afixi nur ube absolute necesa.
Amikal saluti
Tom Wood
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------=_NextPart_000_001A_01BE9CA2.7FF7448A0-- From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 377 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 3075 invoked by uid 7770); 12 May 1999 17:50:40 -0000 Received: from spartacus.a2000.nl (HELO smtp2.a2000.nl) (62.108.1.20) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 12 May 1999 17:50:40 -0000 Received: from node118d7.a2000.nl ([24.132.24.215] helo=default) by smtp2.a2000.nl with smtp (Exim 2.02 #4) id 10hd9S-0002rR-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Wed, 12 May 1999 19:50:38 +0200 Message-ID: <001101be9ca0$bedff000$d7188418@default.a2000.nl> From: "Ido-Info" To: "idolisto" Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 19:56:21 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Subject: [ido] diglosio* Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kar amiki, No, me ne kredas ke on omisus l' -o sustantivala, ka l' Italiana e Hispana omisas omna le -o ed -a? Se certena litero apartenas a vorto, ed on aceptas to kom parto di la vorto, lore pro quo on omisus ta literi? Me ya kredas, segun la naturo di la homo, ke on deziras tenar tre kurta la vorti, por exemplo, ke 'automobilo' anke povas divenar 'auto' o 'fotografuro' povas divenar 'foto', o quale me lektis en Letro Internaciona: ekovilaji (vice ekologiala vilaji). Do on sive aceptez kom oficala la radiko "ekovilaj.", sive aceptez kom oficala nova prefixo "eko-", sive on riskez lektar eko-vilajo (vilajo di eko). Se l' intenco di L.I. es klareso por omna linguani, lore me pensas ke apene es posibla linguo sen plena vorti. Abreviuro en l' una linguo ne signifikas la sama en l' altra linguo. L' uzo di sufixi e prefixi dependas de la strukturo di la linguo. Se on konsentas ke on lektas la signifiko di vorto per la plaso en la frazo, lore yes, probable on perdas l' uzo di sufixi e prefixi. Ma se la signifiko e mem la plu-detalizita es expresata per la pre- ed sufixi, e se la plaso di la vorto en la frazo ne es fixa, lore me ne kredas ke on perdas l' uzo di la pre- e sufixi. Ma, me konkordas sioro Tom Wood, interesanta sempre es la developo di linguo, nam mea aserturi ne necese es vera. Saluti amikala, Hans St. ************************************************ Ido, linguo internaciona, absolute vizitez: http://members.tripod.com/~avancigado ************************************************ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.eGroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 378 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 5821 invoked by uid 7770); 12 May 1999 17:54:34 -0000 Received: from spartacus.a2000.nl (HELO smtp2.a2000.nl) (62.108.1.20) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 12 May 1999 17:54:34 -0000 Received: from node118d7.a2000.nl ([24.132.24.215] helo=default) by smtp2.a2000.nl with smtp (Exim 2.02 #4) id 10hdDF-0003Fg-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Wed, 12 May 1999 19:54:33 +0200 Message-ID: <001501be9ca1$4a999740$d7188418@default.a2000.nl> From: "Ido-Info" To: "idolisto" Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 20:00:16 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Subject: [ido] L.I. Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kar amiki, Pardonez me, on lektez por l' abreviuro L.I. 'Linguo Internaciona' e ne l' ecelanta revuo da amiko J. Martignon 'Letro Internaciona'. Ka vu videz a quo duktas l' uzo di abreviata vorti? saluti amikala, Hans St. ************************************************ Ido, linguo internaciona, absolute vizitez: http://members.tripod.com/~avancigado ************************************************ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.eGroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 379 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 12492 invoked by uid 7770); 12 May 1999 18:59:42 -0000 Received: from www.minitel.net (HELO gmailint1.globalmail.net) (193.252.91.20) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 12 May 1999 18:59:42 -0000 Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 20:59:31 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199905121859.UAA08137@gmailint1.globalmail.net> From: jeanmartignon@minitel.net (JEAN MARTIGNON) Reply-To: jeanmartignon@minitel.net To: idolisto@egroups.com (IDOLISTO) MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] Diglosio (*) (sequo) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Kara cibernauti, Me kredas ke esis miskompreno a mea antea mesajo. Kande me skribis pri diglosio (*), me ne pensis pri Ido o pri ula interlinguo, nome oli esas tro yuna. Me pensis pri la naturala lingui parolata en la singladia uzado. En certena lingui la disto esas tre granda inter la oficala literatura linguo e la linguo dil omnadia konversado. Ito existas en la Araba landi e, til recente, existis en Grekia. En Francia existas sat granda difero inter ica lingui. Ex: onu skribas por l'aquo : l'eau, ma onu ofte dicas : la flotte. La vino esas normale : le vin, ma onu dicas anke populale : le pinard. Ito ne esas slango, nam lo es normala populala uzado. Mem existas kelka gramatikala diferi. Me questionis nia amiki, kad en lia matrala lingui existas granda difero inter la populala e la literaturala lingui. En ta kazo, onu darfus parolar pri diglosio. Kun kordiala ciberspacala saluti. jeanmartignon@minitel.net ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.eGroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 380 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 15288 invoked by uid 7770); 12 May 1999 19:04:18 -0000 Received: from spartacus.a2000.nl (HELO smtp2.a2000.nl) (62.108.1.20) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 12 May 1999 19:04:18 -0000 Received: from node118d7.a2000.nl ([24.132.24.215] helo=default) by smtp2.a2000.nl with smtp (Exim 2.02 #4) id 10heIg-0001Vl-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Wed, 12 May 1999 21:04:14 +0200 Message-ID: <001b01be9cab$07598300$d7188418@default.a2000.nl> From: "Ido-Info" To: "idolisto" Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 21:09:58 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Subject: [ido] diglosio*, sequo Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kar amiko Jean, No, me ne konstatas diglosio* en la Nederlandana. Ya existas formi historiala, ma to es altra kam prezenta du existanta formi. E, komprenende, la slango, qua abundas, segun me en omna landi. Saluti amikala, Hans St. ************************************************ Ido, linguo internaciona, absolute vizitez: http://members.tripod.com/~avancigado ************************************************ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.eGroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 381 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 13725 invoked by uid 7770); 13 May 1999 09:07:34 -0000 Received: from www.minitel.net (HELO gmailint2.globalmail.net) (193.252.91.20) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 13 May 1999 09:07:34 -0000 Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 11:07:33 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199905130907.LAA29650@gmailint2.globalmail.net> From: jeanmartignon@minitel.net (JEAN MARTIGNON) Reply-To: jeanmartignon@minitel.net To: idolisto@egroups.com (IDOLISTO) MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] Ka balde la fino dil mondo ? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Kara cibernauti, Me timas ke ni ne havos la posibleso irar a la konfero di Neviges, nome la fino dil mondo forsan eventos antee. La granda profeto Nostradamus ja dum la XVIma yarcento predicis : En 1999 sept mois Du ciel viendra grand roi plein d'effrayeur Qui viendra ressusciter le grand roi d'Angolmois Avant apres mars regner par bonheur. En la Franca ica predicajo ne esas tre klara, yen tradukite ad Ido to quon onu povas havar : En 1999, ye la sepesma monato Del cielo venos granda pavoriganta rejo Qua rezurektigos la granda rejo di (Angoulemes ?) (urbo en sudwest- Francia) Pos ed ante la milito regnos felice. Onu komprenas nula pri la signifiko dil profetajo. Tamen, onu supozas ke eventos ulo dramatatra e mem kataklismatra. Se onu konsideras la nunala eventi e la milito en Yugoslavia, onu mustas agnoskar ke omno esas posibla ed onu povas pavorar... Espereble ni tamen povos irar a Neviges. Se la fino dil mondo ne eventos antee... Kun kordiala saluti ciberspacala. jeanmartignon@minitel.net ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.eGroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 382 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 13865 invoked by uid 7770); 13 May 1999 10:48:55 -0000 Received: from www.minitel.net (HELO gmailint1.globalmail.net) (193.252.91.20) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 13 May 1999 10:48:55 -0000 Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 12:48:55 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199905131048.MAA22171@gmailint1.globalmail.net> From: jeanmartignon@minitel.net (JEAN MARTIGNON) Reply-To: jeanmartignon@minitel.net To: idolisto@egroups.com (IDOLISTO) MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] Radotaji Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Kara cibernauti, Pro ke mea mesajo pri la fino dil mondo timigis nulu, me duras skribar por evitar vakua mesajo-buxo cadie. Pro ke ne esas aparte interesiva temo, me rezolvis radotar segun la rekomendo di Hans. Recente me kompris historiala revuo qua raportis pri la konquesto di Anglia dal Normandiani. Semblas ke la Angli ne tre prizas ica periodo di lia historio. Tamen pro ica konquesto e pro heredajo di lia reji; dum la sequanta yarcento li posedis la westala duimo di Francia, absolute sen milito e sen batalio. Quon esabus la Angla linguo sen ica konquesto, ni ne savas. La Angla es mixuro di anciena Franca linguo e di Anglosaxona linguo, qua pose evolucionis. Tamen ica mixuro divenas grandapaze la mondo-linguo di nia nunala tempo. Ol esas tamen multe plu desfacila kam Ido. Kordiala saluti ciberspacala. JM ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.eGroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 383 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 28252 invoked by uid 7770); 13 May 1999 11:28:00 -0000 Received: from farida.a2000.nl (HELO smtp1.a2000.nl) (62.108.1.19) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 13 May 1999 11:28:00 -0000 Received: from node118d7.a2000.nl ([24.132.24.215] helo=default) by smtp1.a2000.nl with smtp (Exim 2.02 #4) id 10htei-0005UT-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Thu, 13 May 1999 13:28:00 +0200 Message-ID: <001e01be9d34$75e2a340$d7188418@default.a2000.nl> From: "Ido-Info" To: "idolisto" Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 13:33:45 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Subject: [ido] radotajo interesanta Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kar amiki, Me timas ne havar tro multa tempo por skribar ad Idolisto ca Acensofesto, tamen, me aprecias l' inicio da sioro Jean Martignon tenar ol vivace. Mem, la radotajo da Jean ne es simpla radotajo, ma me opinionas ol tre interesanta, anke pro vidopunto historiala. Do, kar amiko Jean, se nulu reaktas, ne pensez ke ne esos lektata vua mesaji, do, voluntez durigar. On komprenez, ke ca mesajo validesas por omni qui sendas mesajo ad Idolisto, ol sempre es lektata. Cetere, hiere me spektis ecelanta filmo Franca, "La vivo revita di anjeli", mama mea, quala bonega filmo ol es! Tre spektinda! Omna laudo por l' aktori qui tante bone pleis la roli, tre konvinkiva. Anke, absolute spektinda es: Sue, filmo Usana pri muliero perdanta preno ye la sua vivo. Quala tristeso!, ma anke ecelanta pleita. Til riskribo, Saluti amikala, Hans St. ************************************************ Ido, linguo internaciona, absolute vizitez: http://members.tripod.com/~avancigado ************************************************ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.eGroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 384 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 29369 invoked by uid 7770); 13 May 1999 11:30:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO epmsa001.ep.minsk.by) (194.226.122.227) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 13 May 1999 11:30:42 -0000 Received: by epmsa001.ep.minsk.by with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Thu, 13 May 1999 14:29:07 +0300 Message-ID: <8D76D48EDDD3D211AC3000A0C98212E703A7BE@epmsa001.ep.minsk.by> From: "Dmitri P. Laptsionak" To: 'IDOLISTO' Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 14:29:07 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Subject: [ido] Re: Ka balde la fino dil mondo ? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Saluti ante-mond-fina ! Me havas kontakti kun Spiritisti de Brazilia, qui per Esperanto propagas la doktrino pri ri-enkarnado e existo di animo. Do me recevis de li libro pri la temo. Me ne memoras detali, ma se kurte dicar, on skribis ke a nia planeto advenas granda kometo (o altra planeto), qua ad-for balayos omna mala. E ti, qui restos esos nur bona homi, forte kredanta a Deo e konduktanta segun Bibla reguli. Temas en la libro juste pri ca-yara autuno. Do ne timu, nia konfero en Neviges certe eventos, ma pos .... Zmicier ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.eGroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 385 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 2194 invoked by uid 7770); 13 May 1999 11:43:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO epmsa001.ep.minsk.by) (194.226.122.227) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 13 May 1999 11:43:40 -0000 Received: by epmsa001.ep.minsk.by with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Thu, 13 May 1999 14:42:10 +0300 Message-ID: <8D76D48EDDD3D211AC3000A0C98212E703A7BF@epmsa001.ep.minsk.by> From: "Dmitri P. Laptsionak" To: 'IDOLISTO' Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 14:42:10 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Subject: [ido] Re: radotajo interesanta Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Saluti cinemala ! Anke me (kun mea spozino) ante ne longe vizitis filmo-salono e spektis bonega filmo "Ameskinta Shakespeare". Vi povas ne kredar, ma me ploris. En la filmo on naracas, quale la mastro William kreadis sua verko "Romeo e Julieta". Forsan ne esis tale en realo, ma bonege inventite e pleite. On dicis, ke la filmo mem recevis kelka "Oscar". Me donus a ol plus. Zmicier ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.eGroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 386 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 13653 invoked by uid 7770); 13 May 1999 12:09:24 -0000 Received: from smtp05.wxs.nl (195.121.6.57) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 13 May 1999 12:09:24 -0000 Received: from pc ([195.121.210.248]) by smtp05.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with SMTP id AAA136A for ; Thu, 13 May 1999 14:09:21 +0200 Message-ID: <000201be9d39$357c7c40$f8d279c3@pc> From: "Eric Dickens" To: "idolisto" Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 13:53:59 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Subject: [ido] diglosio en Finlando, Belgia, Britania, e c Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit 13 mayo 1999 DIGLOSIO, DUESMA LINGUI E HELPO-LINGUI Kar amiki, La questioni e debato pri diglosio interesas me, do me esforcas ulon skribar. Hans skribas, ke ne existez diglosio en Nederlando (exepte, forsan la Frisiani, qui parolas Frisiana linguo heme, e la Nederlanda ultraloke, exemple kande li es en la ne-Frisiana provinci di Nederlando), ma me opinionas, ke diglosio ne es tale "nigra-e-blanka". Diglosio interne di un linguo? Ofte. Ma en la majoritato de landi di nia mondo anke existas diglosio o multaglosio* trans la limiti dil naturala lingui. En Finlando, en la provinco Pohjanmaa / Osterbotten, exemple, es un tipo di diglosio. La "finlandssvenskarna" (Suedi Finlandana) di Narpes, parolas Narpesiska (forta dialekto di la Sueda) heme, normala Sueda linguo [di Finlando] en la regiono, e la Fina linguo, kande li voyajas altraloke, interne di Finlando. Ica "triglosio" transiras la linguala frontieri o limiti. Qua linguo uzesas kande e ube es afero di kontexto. Me kredas, ke en Norwegia preske nulo parolas Nynorsk heme, neoficale. Nynorsk es dialekto preske nur por skribanti - ili qui skribas Nynorsk parolas heme dialekti. En Belgia, en la duimo di lando ube o f i c a l e parolesas la Nederlanda linguo, parolesas multa dialekti di Nederlanda, quin apene komprenas homi di Nederlando. Ibe la diglosio es tre klara. E la Flandriani di Brussel/Bruxelles/Bruessel (Belgia es lando qua havas t r i oficala lingui - anke, regionale, la Germana!) li parolas forsan la Franca linguo, qua praktikale es dominacante en la centro dil chefurbo. Do la Flandriana habitanto di Brussel: li parolas dialekto heme, li lektas jurnali skribita en la Nederlanda, e forsan li parolas la Franca en l'urbo. Existas naturale anke Flandriani qua principe parolas nur la Nederlanda omnaloke. Diglosio en (Grand) Britania. Tre poka homi parolas konsequente pura "BBC English", "Oxford English", "Queen's English". Britaniani parolas sive dialekto, sive "BBC English" ma l'acento es regionala e kelka vorti es anke dialektala. Ica situaciono devus esar la sama en multa landi. Exemple, en Skotia existas ":Lallands" (t e Lowlands Scottish - la Skota linguo dil basa parto di Skotia). Kande Lallands-parolanto volas komunikar kun Anglo, lu parolas sive l'Angla sive simpligata Lallands, pro ke la vortaro di Lallands es diferanta. Lallands es "Scots English" ma la vortaro venas de la Germana / Skandinava lingui e ne de la Kelta. La Skota Kelti devas anke esar diglosiala - nur forsan en Irlando komprenesas li. En la granda urbi li devas parolar l'Angla. (Remarkinde, la Kelti di Skotia ne parolas Lallands kom duesma linguo, nur l'Angla.) Me opinionas, ke tre, tre poka homi parolas simile ad libro, e diglosio es "la maxim normala kozo en la mondo" quale ni dicas retorikale en Angla. Diglosio en Ido, tamen, es kompleta absurdeso. Ne nur, ke la linguo es tro yuna, ma sendube l'ide[al]o di interlinguo es un Idiomo di Omni, ube nulo sentas, ke lu esez inferiora o stigmatizata. Nula homo kreas dialekti - dialekti naskesas e konservesas o represesas. Qua dialekto devinos la dominanta dialekto di lando es tre ideologiala kozo. Prefere nula dialekti en Ido! Saluti, Eric Dickens ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.eGroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 387 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 29767 invoked by uid 7770); 13 May 1999 15:48:28 -0000 Received: from farida.a2000.nl (HELO smtp1.a2000.nl) (62.108.1.19) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 13 May 1999 15:48:28 -0000 Received: from node118d7.a2000.nl ([24.132.24.215] helo=default) by smtp1.a2000.nl with smtp (Exim 2.02 #4) id 10hxil-0000gf-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Thu, 13 May 1999 17:48:27 +0200 Message-ID: <001a01be9d58$d94c6d20$d7188418@default.a2000.nl> From: "Ido-Info" To: "idolisto" Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 17:54:13 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Subject: [ido] amiki cinemala Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kar amiki, Me joyas lektir ke altri anke vizitas la cinemo, mem se es ne-ofta. Prezente tre bona filmi kreesas. Me (ankore) ne spektis "Shakespeare Enamoreskanta" (pardonez me pro la mikra korektiguro titulala, Dmitri). Me ya spektis filmo "Elizabeth", en qua pleas la sam aktori. Me opinionas ke ta filmo povas interesanta por Jean Martignon, pro la Franca Skotia. Lastafoye ke me ploris pro filmo esis, me devas pensar profunde nun, dum "Termini di Afeciono", kun Shirley Maclain, Deborah Winger e Jack Nicholson. Ma anke altra filmi povas esar lakrimifiva, me nur sempre probas supresar la ploresko. Saluti lakrimizita, Hans St. ************************************************ Ido, linguo internaciona, absolute vizitez: http://members.tripod.com/~avancigado ************************************************ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.eGroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 388 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 7292 invoked by uid 7770); 13 May 1999 16:04:51 -0000 Received: from farida.a2000.nl (HELO smtp1.a2000.nl) (62.108.1.19) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 13 May 1999 16:04:51 -0000 Received: from node118d7.a2000.nl ([24.132.24.215] helo=default) by smtp1.a2000.nl with smtp (Exim 2.02 #4) id 10hxyc-0001uE-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Thu, 13 May 1999 18:04:50 +0200 Message-ID: <002001be9d5b$23704e60$d7188418@default.a2000.nl> From: "Ido-Info" To: "idolisto" Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 18:10:37 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Subject: [ido] diglosio Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kar amiki, Hola, yen itere Eric Dickens. Ni tu indijis, Eric. Joyo retrovidar tu che Idolisto. Koncernante la diglosio en Nederlando, me komprenis ke ne esas dialekto. Ma me devas remarkar ke me trovas la diferi inter dialekto e diglosio kelke ne-preciza. Ka es plu bona expliko di "diglosio"? La Friziana ne povas esar konsiderata diglosio, pro ke es propra linguo, apertenant a la Friziana, e Frizia, same kam la Baska a la Baski e Baskolando, segun mea kompreno di la definuro da Jean Martignon. Ma se on konsideras diglosio, difero di parolo inter lo vulgara e lo oficistala, do parolata da instituti oficala, guverneriala, edc, lore ya existas diglosio. En la linguo oficistala multa vorti 'elevata' uzesas, apene uzata en la linguo stradala. Do, yes, me kredas ke tamen existas diglosio en Nederlando. Tamen, en Nederlando ne existas aparta vorto por aquo ("water"). Od on vizas la termini fingita da la populacho, por exemplo on dicas pri aquo: biro komonesala (pro ke es provizita a la komoneso), ma tala vorti es intencita kom joko. Saluti amikala, Hans St. ************************************************ Ido, linguo internaciona, absolute vizitez: http://members.tripod.com/~avancigado ************************************************ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.eGroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 389 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 12154 invoked by uid 7770); 13 May 1999 16:12:53 -0000 Received: from www.minitel.net (HELO gmailint2.globalmail.net) (193.252.91.20) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 13 May 1999 16:12:53 -0000 Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 18:12:53 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199905131612.SAA08598@gmailint2.globalmail.net> From: jeanmartignon@minitel.net (JEAN MARTIGNON) Reply-To: jeanmartignon@minitel.net To: idolisto@egroups.com (IDOLISTO) MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] Lakrimifanta filmi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Kar amiki, Inter la bona lakrimifanta filmi, me rekomendas a vi spektar la filmo : "Titanic". Bona plorado. Saluti ciberspacala. JM ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.eGroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 390 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 17819 invoked by uid 7770); 14 May 1999 13:49:12 -0000 Received: from mout1.01019freenet.de (62.104.201.3) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 14 May 1999 13:49:12 -0000 Received: from [62.104.201.2] (helo=mx1.01019freenet.de) by mout1.01019freenet.de with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #8) id 10iIKt-0005TT-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Fri, 14 May 1999 15:49:11 +0200 Received: from [212.81.173.187] (helo=www) by mx1.01019freenet.de with smtp (Exim 2.12 #7) id 10iIKe-0003xh-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Fri, 14 May 1999 15:48:57 +0200 Message-ID: <001301be9e10$82ad1880$bbad51d4@fen.baynet.de> From: "Frank Kasper" To: "Idolisto (Mesaji)" Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 15:31:50 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Subject: [ido] Re: Komento da Alfred Neussner kpncerne la propozo editar plusa Ido-revui Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000F_01BE9E1E.E2B9FDC0" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01BE9E1E.E2B9FFDC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" content-transfer-encoding: 7bit content-type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Kara amiko Hans! Ni havas "libereso di parolo" e pro to me darfas expresar mea opiniono, ke me ne konsideras kom bona ideo prezente editar ankore plusa Ido-revueto por kontenajo. qua bone povus aparar en PROGRESO. Kompreneble, me ne volas impedar irgu editar Ido-revuo, se lu pagas ol e savas de ube venos l'artikli. Kordiala saluti! Alfred Neussner Ica mesajo esas transsendita da Frank Kasper frank.kasper@01019freenet.de ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.eGroups.com - Simplifying group communications ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01BE9E1E.E2B9FFDC0-- From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 391 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 27913 invoked by uid 7770); 14 May 1999 17:37:25 -0000 Received: from www.minitel.net (HELO gmailint1.globalmail.net) (193.252.91.20) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 14 May 1999 17:37:25 -0000 Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 19:37:25 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199905141737.TAA23749@gmailint1.globalmail.net> From: jeanmartignon@minitel.net (JEAN MARTIGNON) Reply-To: jeanmartignon@minitel.net To: idolisto@egroups.com (IDOLISTO) MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] Revui Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Kara cibernauti, Me perfekte asentas to quon s-ro Neu�ner asertis pri la ne-neceso kreor un plusa revuo en Ido. Tamen me opinionas ke se exemple "Progreso" aparus quarfoye en la yaro, ito esus bona por nia movadeto e samatempe vera "progreso". Me dissendis icamatine la no 3 di 1999 di "Letro Internaciona". Me timas tamen ke pro la festo-dii dil monato mayo en Francia ke mea revueto ne atingos vi quik. Me prizus saveskar kande vu recevos L.I.e se la artiklo pri Gustav Meyrink plezis a vu. Kordiala ciberspacala saluti. jeanmartignon@minitel.net ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.eGroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 392 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 9031 invoked by uid 7770); 15 May 1999 10:55:52 -0000 Received: from www.minitel.net (HELO gmailint1.globalmail.net) (193.252.91.20) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 15 May 1999 10:55:52 -0000 Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 12:55:51 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199905151055.MAA16071@gmailint1.globalmail.net> From: jeanmartignon@minitel.net (JEAN MARTIGNON) Reply-To: jeanmartignon@minitel.net To: idolisto@egroups.com (IDOLISTO) MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] Radotaji Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Kara cibernauti, Me remarkis lektante libri pri historio di la lingui stranja fakti. En Grekia tam longe kam onu kredis povar restaurar l'imperio di Bizanco, la oficala linguo esis arkaikema linguo qua probis konservar la esencala traiti dil anciena Greka linguo. Tote evidente por konservar linguo kun la pasinteso e l'imperio. Kande la Greki renuncis definitive l'ideo imperiala lore li renuncis anke la linguo arkaikema e la moderna parolata linguo divenis oficala linguo. En Italia tam longe kam l'ideo di la Romana imperio restis vivanta, la oficala linguo e la linguo di la literaturo restis la Latina, quankam la parolata linguo divenabis tre diferanta. Kande la Italiani renuncis pri l'ideo di Romana imperio, li komencis uzar en la literaturo la parolata linguo t.e. la Italiana linguo. Forsan en ica fakti existas ulo reflektinda pri la fato di nia Idolinguo. Omnakaze me konstatas ke la fato di linguo koincidas kun ideologiala e politika fakti. Saluti ciberspacala ad omni. jeanmartignon@minitel.net ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.eGroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 393 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 26198 invoked by uid 7770); 15 May 1999 13:53:37 -0000 Received: from www.minitel.net (HELO gmailint2.globalmail.net) (193.252.91.20) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 15 May 1999 13:53:37 -0000 Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 15:53:36 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199905151353.PAA20924@gmailint2.globalmail.net> From: jeanmartignon@minitel.net (JEAN MARTIGNON) Reply-To: jeanmartignon@minitel.net To: idolisto@egroups.com (IDOLISTO) MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] Anciena Ido Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Kar amiki, Omni savas ke me esas tre konservema koncerne la linguo e ke me desaprobas omna nenecesa e neutila chanji quin kelka ek nia samideani volas facar a nia linguo. Ma se onu havas imaginado e fantazio, onu povas pensar pri supozita anciena ed arkaika standi di nia idiomo. Ito jenas nulu, nam arkaika stando ne povas esar modelo di nunala o futural uzado di Ido e posibligas ludar sendanjere kun la linguo. Yen exemplo di Mezepokal Ido : Bela dolca sinyoro estas granda joyo vidare vu en nia bona urbo Nuernberg. Hyki, ni havas splendhida ciwito kun multa bela domoi. La homoi di Nuernberg estas tre afabhla, la homuloi estas kurajozza chevaleroi e la hominoi estas tre graciozza e charmozza damoi. Yen arkaiko Ido dil yaro 1499 parolata en urbo Nuernberg. Onu povas ludar... Anke se ni tradukas verki de diversa patuazi* povas esar ke ni mustas tradukar dialektaji. Quankam pro la karaktero di helpanta linguo la dialekti ne existas en Ido, lore onu mustas krear ulo por reflektar la dialektaji. Ibe, itere, imaginado povas plear rolo. Anke slango povas tradukesar. (Me opinionas ke Espo-vorti povas kelkafoye esar bona slango-vorti). Ciberspacala saluti. JM ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.eGroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 394 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 15791 invoked by uid 7770); 16 May 1999 07:16:04 -0000 Received: from www.minitel.net (HELO gmailint1.globalmail.net) (193.252.91.20) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 16 May 1999 07:16:04 -0000 Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 09:16:03 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199905160716.JAA11374@gmailint1.globalmail.net> From: jeanmartignon@minitel.net (JEAN MARTIGNON) Reply-To: jeanmartignon@minitel.net (JEAN MARTIGNON) To: idolisto@egroups.com (IDOLISTO) MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] [Fwd: Lul-kanto] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: jeanmartignon@minitel.net (JEAN MARTIGNON) Reply-To: jeanmartignon@minitel.net Received: from localhost; Sat, 13 Feb 1999 14:52:38 +0100 Message-Id: <19990213145238@minitel.net> To: idol@noether.ex.ac.uk (IDOL) Errors-To: jeanmartignon@minitel.net Subject: Lul-kanto X-MinitelNet: LU MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Dormez karineto mea, Proxim kordio adoranta; Ta okulin cielea Kisos dormo advenanta. Havas el, kom bel feino, Ali grand, gracil, ombroza; El disdonas til matino, Sonji infantal, joyoza. Klozez blu okuli, klozez! Ja dormeskis omna floro; Tale, belo, tu repozez Til la nova dolc auroro. Da T. Sweetlove (London) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.eGroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 395 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 18450 invoked by uid 7770); 16 May 1999 07:29:00 -0000 Received: from www.minitel.net (HELO gmailint1.globalmail.net) (193.252.91.20) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 16 May 1999 07:29:00 -0000 Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 09:28:59 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199905160728.JAA12343@gmailint1.globalmail.net> From: jeanmartignon@minitel.net (JEAN MARTIGNON) Reply-To: jeanmartignon@minitel.net To: idolisto@egroups.com (IDOLISTO) MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] Radotaji Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Kara cibernauti, Dormas, dormas ica grupo. Supozeble omni obliviis Ido. Icamatine, me vidis texto sur mea mikra skreno, ma, ho ve ! Ito ne esis en Ido, ma en la linguo di nia konkurencanti en Esperanto. Parolesis pri reklamo favoroze al Eklezio di Ciencologio. Me ne savis til nun ke la Eklezio di Ciencologio uzas Espo por sua reklamo. Icamatine la cielo esas tre blua e sunoza, ka vera printemo su instalas.? Dum la pasinta dii, me rilektis la libreto : "Voyajo a Tahiti e mondo-turo" da Henri Vinez. La linguo esas kontentiganta e la livro redaktita kun humuro ed esprito. Segun to quo me kredis intelektar Henri Vinez esis pacifisto ed ante la duesma mondo-milito, il laboris por ido enkadre di organizuro liberesana. Kun kordiala ciberspacala saluti. jeanmartignon@minitel.net ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.eGroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 396 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 19649 invoked by uid 7770); 16 May 1999 07:34:33 -0000 Received: from www.minitel.net (HELO gmailint1.globalmail.net) (193.252.91.20) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 16 May 1999 07:34:33 -0000 Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 09:34:32 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199905160734.JAA12837@gmailint1.globalmail.net> From: jeanmartignon@minitel.net (JEAN MARTIGNON) Reply-To: jeanmartignon@minitel.net To: idolisto@egroups.com (IDOLISTO) MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] Korektigo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Me demandas pardono, nam en la suba mesajo me eroris. Vice livro, onu devas lektar : libro. E vice to quo me intelektas, onu devas lektar : to quon me intelektas. Kande onu skribas spontane onu tro facile eroras. Saluti. JM ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.eGroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 397 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 18009 invoked by uid 7770); 16 May 1999 15:54:59 -0000 Received: from farida.a2000.nl (HELO smtp1.a2000.nl) (62.108.1.19) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 16 May 1999 15:54:59 -0000 Received: from node118d7.a2000.nl ([24.132.24.215] helo=default) by smtp1.a2000.nl with smtp (Exim 2.02 #4) id 10j3Fi-0003ed-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Sun, 16 May 1999 17:54:58 +0200 Message-ID: <001501be9fb5$44401560$d7188418@default.a2000.nl> From: "Ido-Info" To: "idolisto" Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 18:00:49 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Subject: [ido] Idodormo? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kara Jean, No, no, me ne dormis. Me laboris (dum la jorno) e vespere me vizitis amiki. Ma kande heme, me sempre lektas la mesaji ed anke lektis vua tre interesanta imaginuro dil Ido anciena. Esos tre utila, nam se on deziras tradukar texto mez-epokala, lore on ne povas tradukar en prezenta Ido, ka ne? Cetere, me lektis tradukuro Nederlandana di "Embusko che fuorto Bragg" da Tom Wolfe. En ta libro (la tradukuro) on probis donar Nederlandana equivalanto di dialekto Texasana, ma segun me hororigive male. Esis quale se fingita dialekto. Me preferas dialekto regionala Nederlandana, se on tamen tradukas. Me konjektas ke en l' originalo ne es fingita dialekto ma reala dialekto Texasana. Fakte, to pensigis me, quale tradukar eventuala dialekti en Ido? Saluti amikala, Hans St. ************************************************ Ido, linguo internaciona, absolute vizitez: http://members.tripod.com/~avancigado ************************************************ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.eGroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 398 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 28571 invoked by uid 7770); 16 May 1999 17:47:06 -0000 Received: from farida.a2000.nl (HELO smtp1.a2000.nl) (62.108.1.19) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 16 May 1999 17:47:06 -0000 Received: from node118d7.a2000.nl ([24.132.24.215] helo=default) by smtp1.a2000.nl with smtp (Exim 2.02 #4) id 10j50D-0004pU-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Sun, 16 May 1999 19:47:05 +0200 Message-ID: <001d01be9fc4$ee37e700$d7188418@default.a2000.nl> From: "Ido-Info" To: "idolisto" Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 19:52:55 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Subject: [ido] quale tradukar... Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kar amiki, Me bezonas via helpo che la traduko di la vorto Angla: transgender. Quale tradukar ca vorto aden Ido? Predanko, Saluti amikala, Hans St. ************************************************ Ido, linguo internaciona, absolute vizitez: http://members.tripod.com/~avancigado ************************************************ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.eGroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 399 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 28827 invoked by uid 7770); 16 May 1999 19:09:06 -0000 Received: from www.minitel.net (HELO gmailint2.globalmail.net) (193.252.91.20) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 16 May 1999 19:09:06 -0000 Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 21:09:02 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199905161909.VAA09321@gmailint2.globalmail.net> From: jeanmartignon@minitel.net (JEAN MARTIGNON) Reply-To: jeanmartignon@minitel.net (JEAN MARTIGNON) To: idolisto@egroups.com (IDOLISTO) MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] [Fwd: Laiki] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from mail.agl.fr (netra.agl.fr [194.51.117.1]) by gmailint2.globalmail.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA07991 for Jeanmartignon@minitel.net; Sun, 16 May 1999 13:31:55 +0200 (MET DST) From: Jorgos_kantazeros@xmail.org Message-Id: <199905161131.NAA07991@gmailint2.globalmail.net> To: Jeanmartignon@minitel.net Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 13:28:34 GMT Subject: Laiki X-MinitelNet: LU Kar amiki, En Grekia existas ferii nomata "laiki", oli vizitesas da povra homi qui trovas ibe chipa utensili e produkturi ne-aquirebla altraloke. Precipue onu povas komprar alkohol-varmigili qui esas nekareebla por koquar bona Greka kafeo. La exterlandani qui ne drinkis Greka kafeo preparita talmaniere ne povas savar quo esas bona e vera Greka kafeo. Me rekomendas ad omna mea amiki qui intencas vakancar en Grekia vizitar e vidar "laiki", lore li experiencos quo esas vera Grekia kustumale nekonocata da stranjeri. Saluti kordiala. Jorgos ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.eGroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 400 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 18381 invoked by uid 7770); 17 May 1999 08:04:20 -0000 Received: from mout1.01019freenet.de (62.104.201.3) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 17 May 1999 08:04:20 -0000 Received: from [62.104.201.2] (helo=mx1.01019freenet.de) by mout1.01019freenet.de with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #8) id 10jINm-0000iF-00; Mon, 17 May 1999 10:04:18 +0200 Received: from [212.81.170.194] (helo=www) by mx1.01019freenet.de with smtp (Exim 2.12 #7) id 10jINa-0003cM-00; Mon, 17 May 1999 10:04:07 +0200 Message-ID: <000801bea03b$d3ca07a0$c2aa51d4@fen.baynet.de> From: "Frank Kasper" To: "Idolisto (Mesaji)" Cc: "Jean Martignon" Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 10:02:36 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Subject: [ido] Re: Letro Internaciona Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0005_01BEA04C.63901C20" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01BEA04C.639011C20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" content-transfer-encoding: 7bit content-type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Kara amiki, kar amiko Jean! Me volas saveskigar vi, ke me jus trovis "Letro Internaciona" numero 3/1999 en mea postfako. Me kordiale gratulas Jean pro lua eceleblega laboro por nia movado. La revuo itere tre plezas a me. Precipue me ankore volas dankar ad Jean, ke lu adjuntis l'informo pri la cayara Ido-konfero en Germania. Kordiala saluti a vi omni sendas! Frank Kasper frank.kasper@01019freenet.de ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01BEA04C.639011C20-- From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 401 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 15854 invoked by uid 7770); 17 May 1999 12:13:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO epmsa001.ep.minsk.by) (194.226.122.227) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 17 May 1999 12:13:33 -0000 Received: by epmsa001.ep.minsk.by with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Mon, 17 May 1999 15:12:00 +0300 Message-ID: <8D76D48EDDD3D211AC3000A0C98212E703A7C7@epmsa001.ep.minsk.by> From: "Dmitri P. Laptsionak" To: 'IDOLISTO' Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 15:11:59 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Subject: [ido] Re: Idodormo? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Saluti dormema Anke me ne dormis, ma me festis. Ya mea spozino sucese pasis sua sequanta yaro. Do me dum tota seman-fino kun lango extere (haste) kuradis tra urbo por kolektar necesa donaco, manjaji, flori. Pose - me mustis purigar nia chambro e fine helpar ad elu koquar regalaji(?). Certe vespere sundie advenis gasti - ni kune gratulis, bon-deziris, manjis, drinkis. Me anticipe sendis letro (per elektrona posto) a lokala radio-stacio por gratulor mea Irena okazione de elua naskodio. To esis tre marveloze: me dicis yen mea nova tosto e koincid(ant)e radio-aparato anuncas mea vers-gratulajo. Omna esis tre plezura. Do nun me sidas an mea komputilo e sembligas ad omni, ke me laboras. Ma per un manuo me tushas muso e per l'altra me subtenas mea kapo por ol ne falez pro dormemo. Zmicier ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 402 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 1209 invoked by uid 7770); 17 May 1999 12:48:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO epmsa001.ep.minsk.by) (194.226.122.227) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 17 May 1999 12:48:40 -0000 Received: by epmsa001.ep.minsk.by with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Mon, 17 May 1999 15:47:17 +0300 Message-ID: <8D76D48EDDD3D211AC3000A0C98212E703A7C8@epmsa001.ep.minsk.by> From: "Dmitri P. Laptsionak" To: 'IDOLISTO' Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 15:47:16 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Subject: [ido] Re: amiki cinemala Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1251" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Saluti eroroza Hans skribis: > pardonez me pro la mikra korektiguro titulala, Dmitri ... Ube esas nia kara Bebson Y Takata? Qua serchos mea erori? Til kande me plenigos la IDOLISTO per eroroza mesaji? Ka me fin-fine parlektos la KGD? Ka me minime lektos mea mesaji ante sendar oli? Yen tale me publike batis me pro desakurateso e nediligenteso. ;-) Me laude advokas omnu: ne timez korektigar me, me ankore lernas e facas erori. A me tedis fine de singla letro skribar "Eror-havanta! Plezez (o bonvolez) korektigar". (Ka "tedar" esas transitiva o ne? Forsan "Me tedis skribar ..."?) Zmicier ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 403 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 7907 invoked by uid 7770); 17 May 1999 13:00:31 -0000 Received: from spartacus.a2000.nl (HELO smtp2.a2000.nl) (62.108.1.20) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 17 May 1999 13:00:31 -0000 Received: from node118d7.a2000.nl ([24.132.24.215] helo=default) by smtp2.a2000.nl with smtp (Exim 2.02 #4) id 10jN0P-0002gG-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Mon, 17 May 1999 15:00:30 +0200 Message-ID: <002601bea066$11006720$d7188418@default.a2000.nl> From: "Ido-Info" To: "idolisto" Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 15:06:23 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Subject: [ido] Hela, vekanto! Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Saluto kar amiko de Belorusia, Tre bone ke vu 'vekis'. Yes yes, vu ne kredos vua okuli, forprenez ta manuo suportanta vua kapo e movez ol trans la klavaro, yen mesajeto de Amsterdam. Vu skribis ke vua Irene sucesoze pasis la sequanta yaro, yaro de quo? Kad el studias? Ed el anke celebris naskodio, ka? Irgaquo, gratulez el de me, quankam me es nekonocato por el. Vu indijas Bebson Y. Takata, ka ne? Anke me. Me fakte expektis ke vu korektigus me, nam pose me pensis, ke la titulo di la filmo pri Shakespeare, esas "Shakepeare in Love" do, ne "falling in love". Pro to plu korekta es: "Shakespeare Enamoranta". Ma, es bagatelo. Ye quanta gradi mea tempo permisas a me, me korektigos vua mesaji, til B.Y.T. retrovenos, ka bone? Do, 'fin-fine' en Ido, ne es mala, ma anke existas 'tandem', qua havas la signifiko 'fin-fine'. 'minime', probable vu vizas: adminime, ka ne? 'laude', me konjektas ke es skrib-eroro, probable 'laute' (ka?) 'tedar' es transitiva, do: ulo/ulu tedas me, me tedesas skribar, skribar tedas me, edc. Nun me havas questioneto a vu, Dmitri. Qua es justa: Dmitri o Zmicier? (E quan vu preferas?) Saluti amikala, Hans St. ************************************************ Ido, linguo internaciona, absolute vizitez: http://members.tripod.com/~avancigado ************************************************ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 404 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 21849 invoked by uid 7770); 17 May 1999 14:16:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO epmsa001.ep.minsk.by) (194.226.122.227) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 17 May 1999 14:16:53 -0000 Received: by epmsa001.ep.minsk.by with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Mon, 17 May 1999 17:15:20 +0300 Message-ID: <8D76D48EDDD3D211AC3000A0C98212E703A7CA@epmsa001.ep.minsk.by> From: "Dmitri P. Laptsionak" To: 'IDOLISTO' Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 17:15:19 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Subject: [ido] Re: Hela, vekanto! Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Re-saluto ek Belarusia Hans, to esas ankorfoye me, Zmicier. Granda danki a vu pro korektiguri e promiso korektigar. Pri nomo dil filmo me ne povas dicar ulo - me ne regardis de komenco e tradukuris la nomo de la Rusa linguo. (Quala esas difero inter 'amorar' ed 'amar'?) Mea spozino havis sua sequanta naskodi-festo ye 8ma di Mayo. Ma nam la 9ma di Mayo esas en nia (pos-sovetia) landi festo di venko en "la Granda Patria Milito" (ne "2ma Mondmilito"), e pro to ke ni venis a "dacha" (to esas rur-domo, ube on povas plantacar legumi, frukti, beri ec - pos meksika tele-seriali on nomizis oli "fazenda") por helpar a patri enterigar terpomi. Do ni festis la naskodio hiere e nun me dormemas. Vu esas konocato por el, me rakontis pri la listo e me havas "Ido-Saluto" kun vua foto. Kande a me venas nova mesajo, mea komputilo bipas* (sonas). Me prenis orelili (headphones) e askoltas muziko. En nia Intranet me trovis kolekto de kanti da "Clannad". Interese, en qua linguo esas ilua kanti? Pri 'tandem' - tala vorto me ne trovis en vortareto (adjuntos). Pri 'adminime' - savis, ma obliviis. Pri 'laude' - certe 'laute'. Nun me havas respondo. Mea nomo esas Zmicier Lapcionak en la Belarusa linguo. Ma on rare uzas ol (linguo), preske omnu parolas la Rusa. En la Rusa on skribas mea nomo Dmitri(y) Laptsyonok. (Nur per cirila literi). La Rusa linguo ne havas bona latina transskribo. Nun, kande me recevis nova pasporto en ol la nomo esis skribita Dmitri Laptsionak - do mala mixuro. Segun informo ek pasporto on kreis a me elektronal adreso. Ma me preferas Zmicier - anciena belarusa nomo. Me ne povas skribar streketi - por to necesesas HTML-formato. Nun che ni esas la 5ma horo - se chefo ne regardos - me venos ad hemo. Zmicier. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 405 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 17583 invoked by uid 7770); 17 May 1999 19:23:31 -0000 Received: from farida.a2000.nl (HELO smtp1.a2000.nl) (62.108.1.19) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 17 May 1999 19:23:30 -0000 Received: from node118d7.a2000.nl ([24.132.24.215] helo=default) by smtp1.a2000.nl with smtp (Exim 2.02 #4) id 10jSz1-00014O-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Mon, 17 May 1999 21:23:27 +0200 Message-ID: <002001bea09b$8f099ee0$d7188418@default.a2000.nl> From: "Ido-Info" To: "idolisto" Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 21:29:18 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Subject: [ido] L.I.recevita Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kar amiko Jean Martignon, Me recevis la L.I., danko. Me lektas kun grand intereso. Saluti amikala, Hans St. ************************************************ Ido, linguo internaciona, absolute vizitez: http://members.tripod.com/~avancigado ************************************************ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 407 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 5651 invoked by uid 7770); 18 May 1999 13:08:14 -0000 Received: from dipobox.sis.it (193.70.16.1) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 18 May 1999 13:08:14 -0000 Received: from lizard [193.70.17.26] with smtp by dipobox.sis.it with smtp (Smail-3.2.0.101 1997-Dec-17 #8 #8) id m10jkWh-0008zWC; Tue, 18 May 1999 15:07:23 +0100 (GMT+0100) Message-Id: Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 15:07:23 +0100 (GMT+0100) X-Sender: narcar@mailserver.sis.it X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 To: idolisto@egroups.com From: Nardini Carlo Subject: [ido] vinko e vinkeso Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Kar Amiki, Franciano vizitis London. Il remarkis: - London es tre interes= anta, ma vere la Angliani esas tre extravaganta: "Trafalgar Placo", "Water= loo Strado"..., li nomizis la loki di sua urbi unike per vinkesi. Ica old= a jokon me rimemoris kande me lektis en la vortari da Dyers la sequanta ko= relati: defeat (1) (n.): vinko...(English-Ido); vinko: victory (2)...(Ido-= English). Ye unesma instanto, to semblis mea-orele contredicajo. Quale l= a sama vorto, nome "vinko", povas signifikar sive =93victory=94 sive =93de= feat=94, du fakti aparante opozita? Reale, pos reflektir, me kredas ke Ido= esas tre logikoza ank cakaze (quale preske sempre), dum ke la naturala l= ingui esas ofte nereguloza e arbitralia. Se me komprenas juste, la substa= ntivo "vinko" havas logikoze la senco aktiva dil verbo vinkar, dum ke la = senco pasiva expresesas korekte da la substantivo "vinkeso": vinko =3D ago= vinkar =3D =93victory=94 =3D =93defeat=94 aktiva, donita, inflictita= *(3); vinkeso =3D fakto vinkesar =3D =93defeat=94 pasiva, subisita. La qu= estiono povos pluprufundigesar e generaligesar da plu bona linguisto kam me= . Permanas, por me, necerteso pri la preposicioni uzenda. Qui de= la sequanta frazi esas korekta, e qui ne? - la vinko di/da Napol=E9on (ye = Austerlitz); - la vinko super Napol=E9on (ye Waterloo); - la vinkeso di Nap= ol=E9on (ye Waterloo); - la vinko super Napol=E9on da Wellington (ye Waterl= oo); - la vinko di/da Wellington super Napol=E9on; - la vinkeso di Napol=E9= on da Wellington. Ca omno dicite, por la nemediateso dil kompreno e la r= ichigo dil linguo, forsan aparta radiki por expresar vinko e vinkeso povus = esar utila, samtempe ke tre internaciona (e aktuala): viktor.o* e difit.o*= (1)(2). Kordiale, Carlo Nardini ----------------------------- (1) = G Niederlage, (Def=E4tismus); A defeat; F d=E9fait; H derrota; I sconfitta= , disfatta; R porojienie. (2) G Sieg , (Viktoriarufen); A victory; F victoi= re; H victoria; I vittoria; R pobieda. (3) G beibringen; A inflict; F infl= iger; H infligir; I infliggere; R naniesti. --------------------------= ----------------------------------------------- eGroups.com home: http://ww= w.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group com= munications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 408 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 27006 invoked by uid 7770); 18 May 1999 17:46:10 -0000 Received: from www.minitel.net (HELO gmailint1.globalmail.net) (193.252.91.20) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 18 May 1999 17:46:09 -0000 Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 19:46:07 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199905181746.TAA09339@gmailint1.globalmail.net> From: jeanmartignon@minitel.net (JEAN MARTIGNON) Reply-To: jeanmartignon@minitel.net To: idolisto@egroups.com (IDOLISTO) MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] Vinko Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Kara cibernauti, Anke me havis problemi pri la vorti vinko e vinkeso. Fakte vinkeso esas logikoza vorto, ma por komencanto onu povas miskomprenar, do me ipsa uzas la vorto desvinko vice vinkeso, nam desvinko esas nule ambigua e nemediate komprenebla. Ultre to ol esas perfekte permisata dal KGD. Me pensis anke pri la radiko defet, nam en la Angla existas la vorto defeat, en la Germana existas la vorto defaetismus (pronuncez : defetismus) ed en la Franca existas la vorto defaite (pronuncez : defet). Pri la altra lingui me ne savas. Ma tala vorto, quankam ol esas perfekte aceptabla, ne propozesis dal anciena Idisti e ne existas en la dicionarii. Do, la vorto desvinko qua ne bezonas existar en dicionarii, pro ke lua radiko ja existas ibe, fitas tote bone. Kun kordiala ciberspacala saluti. jeanmartignon@minitel.net ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 409 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 5228 invoked by uid 7770); 18 May 1999 18:55:26 -0000 Received: from www.minitel.net (HELO gmailint1.globalmail.net) (193.252.91.20) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 18 May 1999 18:55:26 -0000 Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 20:55:25 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199905181855.UAA13494@gmailint1.globalmail.net> From: jeanmartignon@minitel.net (JEAN MARTIGNON) Reply-To: jeanmartignon@minitel.net To: idolisto@egroups.com (IDOLISTO) MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] Argumenti Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Kara cibernauti, Hodie che "minitel" ye interna nacionala uzado, me recevis mesajo da Espisto quan me probis aquirar por Ido. Il skribis a me ke Ido esas progreso kompare ad Esperanto, ma ke la reformeri tre nocis la movado ed impedis la difuzado di nia linguo... Regretinde ito omna esas justa. Me nule povas replikar. Siori reformeri voluntez renuncar pri via reformi se vu vere amas Ido, o renuncez pri Ido, nome la granda majoritato dil Idisti volas stabila linguo e la Espisti qui esas pronta adoptar Ido ofte renuncas o transiras ad Interlingua pro la neprizata reformemeso di kelka Idisti. Ido esas la maxim bona Interlinguo, ni ne aceptez ke ol esez destruktata od olua difuzado impedata pro la kaprici di kelki. Ni kreez literaturo enkadre di stabila linguo. Lore ni havos la posibleso difuzesar. Ciberspacala saluti. JM ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 410 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 16297 invoked by uid 7770); 18 May 1999 21:53:38 -0000 Received: from spartacus.a2000.nl (HELO smtp2.a2000.nl) (62.108.1.20) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 18 May 1999 21:53:38 -0000 Received: from node118d7.a2000.nl ([24.132.24.215] helo=default) by smtp2.a2000.nl with smtp (Exim 2.02 #4) id 10jrnq-0005aQ-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Tue, 18 May 1999 23:53:34 +0200 Message-ID: <001f01bea179$b602bca0$d7188418@default.a2000.nl> From: "Ido-Info" To: "idolisto" Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 23:59:32 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Subject: [ido] defat.ar Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Kar amiki, Me opinionas lo interesanta, la diskuto pri vinko, vinkeso, desvinko, difit.ar, e defet.ar. Yen, mea kontributureto: defac.ar, en qua es rikonocebla 'fac', ye qua es fondita maxim multa propozi. Cetere, en la Nederlandana ya existas: defaitistisch, ma to signifikas: desesperanta la vinko; defaite: vinkeso (desvinko) , (ol venas de la Franca "d�-faire" = destruktar to quo es facita, vinkar. Se ni dicus: defacita, lore en la Nederlandana on literale povas tradukar: afgemaakt, ingemaakt, (kun la verbo "afmaken" = parfacar, "inmaken" = hachar por konservar). Tamen, forsan "desfacita" es plu bon e bela, nam lore l' uneso di la vinkiti es disbatita, diskombatita, edc. Es plu figurala. Saluti amikala, Hans St. ************************************************ Ido, linguo internaciona, absolute vizitez: http://members.tripod.com/~avancigado ************************************************ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 411 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 20538 invoked by uid 7770); 18 May 1999 22:00:43 -0000 Received: from spartacus.a2000.nl (HELO smtp2.a2000.nl) (62.108.1.20) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 18 May 1999 22:00:43 -0000 Received: from node118d7.a2000.nl ([24.132.24.215] helo=default) by smtp2.a2000.nl with smtp (Exim 2.02 #4) id 10jruh-000680-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Wed, 19 May 1999 00:00:39 +0200 Message-ID: <002501bea17a$b32549c0$d7188418@default.a2000.nl> From: "Ido-Info" To: "idolisto" Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 00:06:37 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Subject: [ido] stranjeso Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kar amiki, Me sendas mesaji ad Idolisto, ma konstatis ke ne omna mesajo quik es transsendata da la serverio di ca grupo "Egroups". Tale me recevis mea hiere sendita mesajo hodie. Un dio plu pose! Normale me sendas e pos du, tri, kin minuti recevas la mesaji sendita ad Idolisto. Ka me es l' unika qua havas ca problemo, o ne? Saluti amikala, Hans St. ************************************************ Ido, linguo internaciona, absolute vizitez: http://members.tripod.com/~avancigado ************************************************ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 412 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 24036 invoked by uid 7770); 19 May 1999 10:34:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO epmsa001.ep.minsk.by) (194.226.122.227) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 19 May 1999 10:34:47 -0000 Received: by epmsa001.ep.minsk.by with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Wed, 19 May 1999 13:33:12 +0300 Message-ID: <8D76D48EDDD3D211AC3000A0C98212E703A7CB@epmsa001.ep.minsk.by> From: "Dmitri P. Laptsionak" To: 'IDOLISTO' Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 13:33:11 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Subject: [ido] Re: Argumenti Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Saluti reformala Se me povas konsiderar su kom reformemulo (reformero) o se ulu konsideras me tala, lore me publike renuncas omna probi e propozi pri reformi. Reformi en linguo esas necesa (pasabla) se on sentas ulo quon on ne povas facar per moyeni dil linguo. Me ankore ne trovis irga quo mankas en Ido. Se mi skribas ula vorti o frazi, ne bona segun l' Idala gramatiko, co esas pro to, ke me ankore ne suficante savas la linguo o ne trovis apta vorto od automate uzis Esperantistala heredo. Reformi darfas propozar nur ta, qua bone parstudis linguo, do me ne esas reformero. Estimata Jean Martignon, vua amiko skribis: > la reformeri tre nocis la movado ed > impedis la difuzado di nia linguo... Do uzis pasinta tempo. Forsan lu volis dicar, ke nombroza reformi en Ido komence di ca yarcento "impedis" e pro to lu _nun_ ne volas agnoskar meriti dil linguo? ;-) Zmicier ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 413 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 23034 invoked by uid 7770); 19 May 1999 18:19:22 -0000 Received: from gilliam.vip.uk.com (194.176.218.1) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 19 May 1999 18:19:22 -0000 Received: from default (VIP-206-115.vip.uk.com [194.176.206.115]) by gilliam.vip.uk.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id TAA16269 for ; Wed, 19 May 1999 19:19:10 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <000901bea223$0016c580$73ceb0c2@default> From: "wood" To: Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 19:08:13 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Subject: [ido] Revuo Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0006_01BEA22A.F1B2B6E0" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01BEA22A.F1B2BB6E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Kar ido-listani Me pensas ke esus bon ideo havar inter-retala revuo. Kad es= posibla havar Progreso, forsan kurtigita, sur la inter-reto? Amikala salut= i Tom Wood http://www.fortunecity.com/victorian/bronte/215/index.html -= ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eG= roups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.co= m - Simplifying group communications ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01BEA22A.F1B2BB6E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable content-type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1"
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= ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01BEA22A.F1B2BB6E0-- From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 414 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 3501 invoked by uid 7770); 19 May 1999 18:39:29 -0000 Received: from www.minitel.net (HELO gmailint2.globalmail.net) (193.252.91.20) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 19 May 1999 18:39:29 -0000 Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 20:39:25 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199905191839.UAA00054@gmailint2.globalmail.net> From: jeanmartignon@minitel.net (JEAN MARTIGNON) Reply-To: jeanmartignon@minitel.net To: idolisto@egroups.com (IDOLISTO) MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] Revuo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Kara cibernauti, Me opinionas ke la ideo di nia samideano Tom Wood pri inter-retala revuo esas ecelanta. Pro quo ne enretigar "Letro Internaciona" ? Ol esas plu kurta kam "Progreso" ed aparas plu ofte. Kompreneble se ito esas posibla. Ma la ideo ipsa pri revuala enretigo esas bonega. Kordiala ciberspacala saluti. jeanmartignon@minitel.net ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 415 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 24890 invoked by uid 7770); 20 May 1999 07:52:36 -0000 Received: from mout1.01019freenet.de (62.104.201.3) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 20 May 1999 07:52:36 -0000 Received: from [194.97.109.112] (helo=mx0.01019freenet.de) by mout1.01019freenet.de with esmtp (Exim 3.00 #2) id 10kNd5-0004yq-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Thu, 20 May 1999 09:52:36 +0200 Received: from [212.81.170.246] (helo=www) by mx0.01019freenet.de with smtp (Exim 3.00 #2) id 10kNcZ-0002JT-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Thu, 20 May 1999 09:52:03 +0200 Message-ID: <000e01bea295$a1c4ab00$f6aa51d4@fen.baynet.de> From: "Frank Kasper" To: "Idolisto (Mesaji)" Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 09:27:58 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Subject: [ido] Komenti kpncerne recenta mesaji Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0007_01BEA2A3.0CB65F00" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01BEA2A3.0CB655F00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" content-transfer-encoding: 7bit content-type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Kara amiki! Me konkordas kun s-do Martignon, "desvinko" esas plu bona. Me opinionas, ke "Trafalgar''e "Waterloo" esas loki di vinki e ne di vinkesi. "Vinkesar" signifikas segun mea opiniono esar la perdanto, ma ye ica loki Britania vinkis e ne vinkesis. Ultre to: En qua lando ne existas stradnomi pri vinki? "Defaitismus" en Germana ne signifikas "desvinko", ma la mentala stando "ne kredar a la vinko posibla". Expresar ico esis dum la milito en Germania krimino, qua punisesis per morto. Segun me esas la sis frazi (vinko) korekta, qnankam me havas kelketa desagreabla senti en la stomako pri I'uzo di "super" e me ipsa preferus evitar ica vorto ye ica kohero. Me irge sentas, ke to esas transporto di nacional-linguala pensmaniero ad Ido, ma instante ne savas qua altra vorton on prefere povus uzar. Me konsideras "viktoro" kom superflua, o ka povus explikar a me, quo es la difero a "vinko" ? Principe Ido esas apertita por reformi kompare ad Esperanto, ma to signifikas, ke propozata chanji vere devas esar emendi. Segun mea impreso existas Idisti, qui opinionas. ke se lia reform-propozi ne ne qnik aceptesas, ke Ido ne esas reformiva. Me pregas omni aceptar, ke Ido esas tante relative perfekta, ke esas vere desfacila trovar ankore reala plubonigi. Ni koncentrez nia linguala laboro pri l'aquiro di nova vorti e la transvivo di Ido entote. L'oficala acepto di L.l. ne dependas de la prezenta gramatikala stando, ma to esas politikala afero. Pro to ni mustas pluforteskar e por to esas necesa havar funcionanta movemento, qua unesmarange okupas pri la difuzo di Ido. Kordiala saluti Alfred Neussner alfred.neussner@idolinguo.de Ica mesajo transsendeskis da Frank Kasper frank.kasper@idolinguo.de ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01BEA2A3.0CB655F00-- From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 416 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 16261 invoked by uid 7770); 20 May 1999 08:47:11 -0000 Received: from lince.lander.es (195.76.46.35) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 20 May 1999 08:47:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 31769 invoked from network); 20 May 1999 08:37:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ppp-48-38.lander.es) (195.76.48.29) by lince.lander.es with SMTP; 20 May 1999 08:37:50 -0000 X-Sender: joser@lince.lander.es X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 To: idolisto@egroups.com From: "j.m.rodriguez" Subject: [ido] Insulo di Paco Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Frank Kasper skribis: Ultre to: En qua lando ne existas stradnomi pri vinki? Nu, segun me kredas ico eventas en Kostarika. La konstituco aprobata en la yaro 1949 interdiktis l'existo di permananta armeo. Ank en Kostarika ne existas sur la stradi statui dedikata al militisti. Kostarika es insulo di Paco e Demokratio en la mezo di Central Ameriko, kontinento qua vivis ne-kontebla militi e revolti dum la yardeko 1980. Recevez kordiala saluti de Hispania. Jose Maria Rodriguez Hernandez joser@lander.es ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 417 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 27136 invoked by uid 7770); 20 May 1999 09:12:03 -0000 Received: from lince.lander.es (195.76.46.35) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 20 May 1999 09:12:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 6045 invoked from network); 20 May 1999 08:59:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ppp-48-38.lander.es) (195.76.48.191) by lince.lander.es with SMTP; 20 May 1999 08:59:00 -0000 X-Sender: joser@lince.lander.es X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 To: idolisto@egroups.com From: "j.m.rodriguez" Subject: [ido] Eroro Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Pardonez eroro en mea lasta mesajo: Frank Kasper ne skribis: Ultre to: En qua lando ne existas stradnomi pri vinki? Ma, ta frazo aparas en la letro da Alfred Neussner qua transsendeskis da Frank. Pardonez a me amiki Frank ed Alfred! Kordiala Saluti Jose Maria Rodriguez Hernandez joser@lander.es ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 418 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 30626 invoked by uid 7770); 20 May 1999 10:38:09 -0000 Received: from gilliam.vip.uk.com (194.176.218.1) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 20 May 1999 10:38:09 -0000 Received: from default (VIP-202-206.vip.uk.com [194.176.202.206]) by gilliam.vip.uk.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA22001 for ; Thu, 20 May 1999 11:38:05 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <000001bea2ab$c055ac20$cecab0c2@default> From: "wood" To: Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 08:53:36 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Subject: [ido] Progreso Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0014_01BEA29E.3F74BC20" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01BEA29E.3F74BBC20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Kar amiki Me lektas en Progreso: "voluntez sendar .... informi". La vorto d= irete derivita del verbo es ago o stando. Do on ne povas sendar 'informi'. = Tamen ica uzo dil vorto es komprenebla. La eroro ne es en la vorto ma en la= regulo. Amikala saluti Tom Wood http://members.rotfl.com/komuniko/index.ht= ml --------------------------------------------------------------------= ---- eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.eg= roups.com - Simplifying group communications ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01BEA29E.3F74BBC20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable content-type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1"
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Me lektas en Progreso: "voluntez sendar .... i= nformi". La vorto direte derivita del verbo es ago o stando. Do on ne = povas sendar 'informi'. Tamen ica uzo dil vorto es komprenebla. La eroro n= e es en la vorto ma en la regulo.
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------=_NextPart_000_0014_01BEA29E.3F74BBC20-- From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 419 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 202 invoked by uid 7770); 20 May 1999 20:44:55 -0000 Received: from farida.a2000.nl (HELO smtp1.a2000.nl) (62.108.1.19) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 20 May 1999 20:44:55 -0000 Received: from node118d7.a2000.nl ([24.132.24.215] helo=default) by smtp1.a2000.nl with smtp (Exim 2.02 #4) id 10kZgM-00011d-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Thu, 20 May 1999 22:44:46 +0200 Message-ID: <003601bea302$7009b8e0$d7188418@default.a2000.nl> From: "Ido-Info" To: "idolisto" Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 22:50:46 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Subject: [ido] e-revuo Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kar amiki, Anke me opinionas ne mala ideo krear e-revuo. Ma quale ol aspektez? Me ja recevis de sioro J. Martignon exemplo per e-posto, ma me questionas me kad esos utila en formo e-postala. Me ja abonas 'letro di novajo' e-postala, es membro di Idolisto, ambe ja livras a me tre multa informuri (yes yes, sioro Tom Wood, es justa, 'informi' es verbo substantivigita kun la signifiko de ago iterita, do la rezulto de 'informar' es 'informuro' (se konkrete), tamen 'informi' anke es bone komprenata). Cetere, me vizitis ambe vua pagini Tom, ecelante aspektanta oli es! Ma, altralatere, me anke ne savas quale altre on povas krear ol. E, se koncernas Idal aferi, me joyos recevar ol. Koncernante Kosta-Rika, me opinionas ta lando tre saja e kurajoza. Ol anke developas turismo ne-amasala, ma stimulas la mikra-skala turismo, t.e., ambiento-respektanta. Es tre bona ideo, segun me. Me salutas vi amikale, Hans St. ************************************************ Ido, linguo internaciona, absolute vizitez: http://members.tripod.com/~avancigado ************************************************ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 420 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 23498 invoked by uid 7770); 20 May 1999 21:24:46 -0000 Received: from dipobox.sis.it (193.70.16.1) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 20 May 1999 21:24:46 -0000 Received: from lizard [193.70.17.18] with smtp by dipobox.sis.it with smtp (Smail-3.2.0.101 1997-Dec-17 #8 #8) id m10kbEV-0008z0C; Thu, 20 May 1999 23:24:07 +0100 (GMT+0100) Message-Id: Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 23:24:07 +0100 (GMT+0100) X-Sender: narcar@mailserver.sis.it (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 To: idolisto@egroups.com From: Nardini Carlo Subject: [ido] desvinko Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Kar Amiki, komento a la komenti pri vinko/vinkeso. A Jean martignon. a) = "Desvinko" rimemoras a me Esp. "malsupreniri" e le simila. Me ne konocas Es= p; me renkontris ta vorto, kande me tradukis PRO QUO IDO. Pro quo Ido? Anke= pro ke ol evitas tala tordadi. b) Me alegis en mea letro la sis GAFHIR di = viktor.o, difit.o, inflikt.ar: hovee, dop la signaturo, kom ped-noti, facil= e eskapebla. c) (Me recevis Letro Internaciona N. 3: to esas sempre vera p= lezuro. Lektante vua marveloza Ido, onu komprenas pro ke vu esas tale stab= ilista!). A Alfred Neussner. a) Pri "desvinko", videz supere. b) Pri "Def= =E4tismus", me savis la signifiko, e me pozis ol inter parentezi, por expre= sar lua memorilo-funciono. c) Pri "viktoro", fakte, lu esus sinonimo di vin= ko, ma, segun me, plu importanta, plu emfazosa: extreme, vinko en skarmuc= ho, viktoro en mondo-milito. Tamen, me ne insistas. d) Pri "vinko super Nap= ol=E9on", ka "vinko kontre Napol=E9on" esus preferebla?. A Hans Stuifberg= en. Defac.ar, mea-opinione, esas tro etimologiala, tro mediata, tro pok= e orele rimemoriva, relate le GAFHIR. Kordiale, Carlo Nardini ---------= ---------------------------------------------------------------- eGroups.co= m home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simp= lifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 421 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 2565 invoked by uid 7770); 20 May 1999 21:44:48 -0000 Received: from farida.a2000.nl (HELO smtp1.a2000.nl) (62.108.1.19) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 20 May 1999 21:44:48 -0000 Received: from node118d7.a2000.nl ([24.132.24.215] helo=default) by smtp1.a2000.nl with smtp (Exim 2.02 #4) id 10kacL-0005rO-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Thu, 20 May 1999 23:44:41 +0200 Message-ID: <003e01bea30a$cf45a140$d7188418@default.a2000.nl> From: "Ido-Info" To: "idolisto" Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 23:50:43 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Subject: [ido] etimologiala Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kar amiko Carlo Nardini ed altri, Vu es justa, me tre prizas l' etimologio e kelkafoye retro-irar a la bazo. Ma me es same felica uzar vorto prezenta ed 'orelo-rimemoriva', quale vu lo tre bele deskriptas. Cetere, me opinionas ke divenas tempo ke sive l' Akademio dil Ido-linguo riestablisesos, sive Komitato Linguala. Me certe entamos ta punti ye la kongreso en Neviges. Vu semblas kandidato tre apta por la rispektiva taski, ka vu konsiderus tal ofico en l' Idomovemento? E ne nur vu, forsan anke altri sentas su apta por l' ofico. Se es sat multa entuziasmeso, me opinionas ol tre granda pazo adavane por l' Idomovemento e previdas riflorifanta movement(et)o, ka ne? Do, me salutas omni, me devas dormar, morge frue me vekos por laborar, e fakte tre multe, ca semano. Til riskribo, Hans St. ************************************************ Ido, linguo internaciona, absolute vizitez: http://members.tripod.com/~avancigado ************************************************ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 422 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 15800 invoked by uid 7770); 21 May 1999 05:01:54 -0000 Received: from www.minitel.net (HELO gmailint2.globalmail.net) (193.252.91.20) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 21 May 1999 05:01:54 -0000 Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 07:01:53 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199905210501.HAA23503@gmailint2.globalmail.net> From: jeanmartignon@minitel.net (JEAN MARTIGNON) Reply-To: jeanmartignon@minitel.net To: idolisto@egroups.com (IDOLISTO) MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] Akademio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Kara cibernauti, Me opinionas ke esas bona ke Akademio o Komitato lingual ne plus existas. Unesme, ni ne plus havas sat valoroza linguisto por ita skopo; duesme la reformeri esas tante obstinema ke li povus aceptar lia propozi kontre la deziro dil majoritato dil Idisti. Se li ne aceptas lore la reformeri povus livar la movado klozante violentoze la pordo. Me sempre dicis e ridicas ke por la reformeri existas altra solvo. Vice diskutar, pro quo ne krear revui e redaktar libri kun la reformi dezirata da li ? Lore onu povus maxim bone judikar quon valoras la reformi ed adoptar o refuzar oli. Agar altramaniere esas diktatoresal. Ante omno laboro e praktiko, la diskuti pose. Kun kordiala saluti. jeanmartignon@minitel.net ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 423 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 32049 invoked by uid 7770); 21 May 1999 10:42:55 -0000 Received: from smtp01.wxs.nl (195.121.6.61) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 21 May 1999 10:42:55 -0000 Received: from pc ([195.121.208.131]) by smtp01.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with SMTP id AAA2922 for ; Fri, 21 May 1999 12:42:54 +0200 Message-ID: <001201bea376$70f93040$83d079c3@pc> From: "Eric Dickens" To: "idolisto" Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 12:41:09 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Subject: [ido] akademio o nula akademio Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit 22 mayo 1999 AKADEMIO, O NULA AKADEMIO - ITA ES LA QUESTIONO Kar amiki, Me konkordas kun Jean Martignon, ke krear revui e redaktar libri es multe plu valoroza kam pedanta argumenti. On probas tro multe korektar l'una l'altra tra l'interreto, e tro poke krear ulon ipsa. Kande ulu skribas ulo, altra trovas neimportanta erori, e skribas kom respondo plena pagino de preskripti e normi. Ica situaciono es motivo havar akademio. La pleyado de De Beaufront, Couturat, e. c. aceptesas kom regulizanta personaro. Ma se ili ne reflektis pri partikulara problemo (exemple: komputari, interreto, e.c.) es nur du metodi solvar ica problemo: 1) L'uzado determinas quo uzesas; 2) Ni havas demokratale elektita personaro (akademio o komitato) qua determinas l'uzado por nin. En ideala mondo me preferus 1), ma me esas sat evosa savar, ke l'uzado di helpolinguo es ulo, per quo homi volas demonstrar, ke li esez plu inteligenta, plu erudita, e.c. kam altri. Se ni ne volas disipar tro tempo kande ni pledas por e kontre nova vorti, esus plu bone, ke ni havos linguisti e altra edukita homi, qua juas strukturar linguo, kande la movemento es suficante granda. Til lore, ni povas uzar metodo 1). Venos tempo, tamen, kande ni devos strukturar la (s-)elektado dil nova vortaro di Ido. Altre, nia Idomondeto devinos serpento-areno de insultita egi (memorez 1907-08!), homi, qua opinionas savar omnon plu bone kam altri. (Nova vortin, nova nomon di movemento, nova sintaxon, ma sen yusta selektado-proceso.) Regretinde, la nobla idei di Pannekoek, la princo Kropotkin, Bakunin, ne es praktikebla. En nia revi e sonji ni povas esar anarkisti, ma en nia omnadia vivo? Saluti, Eric Dickens ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 424 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 22841 invoked by uid 7770); 21 May 1999 18:29:12 -0000 Received: from mout1.01019freenet.de (62.104.201.3) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 21 May 1999 18:29:12 -0000 Received: from [194.97.109.112] (helo=mx0.01019freenet.de) by mout1.01019freenet.de with esmtp (Exim 3.00 #2) id 10ku2h-0000oU-00; Fri, 21 May 1999 20:29:11 +0200 Received: from [212.81.172.209] (helo=www) by mx0.01019freenet.de with smtp (Exim 3.00 #2) id 10ku2P-0000RV-00; Fri, 21 May 1999 20:28:54 +0200 Message-ID: <001001bea3b7$c3085b40$d1ac51d4@fen.baynet.de> From: "Frank Kasper" To: "Manfred Magin" , "Idolisto (Mesaji)" Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 20:21:55 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Subject: [ido] Joyoza Penetekostofesto Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0005_01BEA3C7.91E0C9C0" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01BEA3C7.91E0CC9C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" content-transfer-encoding: 7bit content-type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Kara amiki! Me deziras a vi omni Joyoza ed agreabla Pentekostofesto. Me mem regretinde ne povos festar la festo, nam me situesos en mea laboro dum la sequanta quar nokti por gardar mea firmo. Pro to me anke nur apene povos respondar mesaji dum ta tempo. Pos la festodii me havos libera tempo dum un semani, ma me devos uzar ca tempo por repozado, por ke me vere dum la tota recenta semani ecepte per mea laboro kam pordisto preske nur ankore okupeskis su per komputora aferi sen repozo. Kun la maxi kordiala ed amikala saluti! Frank Kasper frank.kasper@idolinguo.de ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01BEA3C7.91E0CC9C0-- From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 425 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 8454 invoked by uid 7770); 21 May 1999 19:58:18 -0000 Received: from www.minitel.net (HELO gmailint2.globalmail.net) (193.252.91.20) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 21 May 1999 19:58:17 -0000 Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 21:58:10 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199905211958.VAA24805@gmailint2.globalmail.net> From: jeanmartignon@minitel.net (JEAN MARTIGNON) Reply-To: jeanmartignon@minitel.net To: idolisto@egroups.com (IDOLISTO) MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] Lingui-festo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Kar amiki cibernauti, Se me bone memoras ye la Pentekosto-dio , la apostoli qui esis la dicipuli di Iesus subite obtenis dil santo spirito la doto pri lingui ed esis kapabla parolar en omna idiomi sen lernir oli. Per Ido, ni anke juas pri ulaspeca miraklo dil Pentekosto. Ni atencez ne destruktar ol e ne lasar destruktar ol per nedezirata reformi. En mea administrerio un ek mea supero iris a Bruxelles recente. Lu parolis per la mediaco de dekedu interpretisti !!! Posibla solvon ni konocas tre bone. Ni laborez por olua difuzo ne per ludar pri lua reformi. Se Ido standas hodie nebone, kulpas inter nia preirinti ti qui volis senfina reformi ed interquerelis vice laborar. Ni ne imitez li. Ni havas admirinda linguala instrumento apta por omno, e ni juas interparolo ed interkompreno quin tre poka homi posedas. Ido esas nia Pentekosto-miraklo. Kun kordiala ciberspacala saluti. jeanmartignon@minitel.net ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 426 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 27039 invoked by uid 7770); 22 May 1999 10:45:19 -0000 Received: from as-img-3.compuserve.com (HELO spamgaac.compuserve.com) (149.174.217.146) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 22 May 1999 10:45:19 -0000 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by spamgaac.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-1.0) id GAA20378 for idolisto@egroups.com; Sat, 22 May 1999 06:45:19 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 06:40:58 -0400 From: "R.B. Carnaghan" <100024.1005@compuserve.com> Sender: "R.B. Carnaghan" <100024.1005@compuserve.com> To: Idolisto Message-ID: <199905220644_MC2-76A2-8BC9@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Subject: [ido] Pri "de", "ek" e Beaufront Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Gon=E7alo Neves skribis longa mesajo - mikra esayo - ye 10 mayo pri la dist= ingo inter "de" ed "ek" e pri la duopla skopo di de Beaufront kande il skri= bis la "Kompleta Gramatiko Detaloza". Semblas a me ke Sro Neves esas justa= pri amba punti. Kelka tempo ante nun, me komencis redaktar la texto di ta= libro, parte e precipue per omiso di omna aserti (precipue pri Esperanto) = qui, mem se generale justa, poke o nule helpas lernanto di Ido. Regretinde = me ankore ne trovas dum multa monati tempo por kompletigar la projeto. Tame= n me esperas ri-komencar ol kande cirkonstanci permisas. Pro manko di temp= o me nun anke ne povas lektar la majoritato di mesaji recevita de "Idolisto= " - yen konfeso! Me sendas ica mesajo parte por indikar ke me ne tote desap= aris! Kelka semani ante nun me mem (Frank Kasper esos plezata!) kelke ri-no= vigis la tereno ye . Recente me helpis pr= i produkto di nova (ma tarda) numero di "Ido-Vivo" quan redaktas Nic ap Gly= n qua anke imprimigos ol balde. Me esperas ke ico signalas nova aktiveso Id= ala da Nic qua dum plura yari esis tre aktiva ma qua, pro grava responsi fa= miliala e laborala, dum recenta yari esis ne-aktiva. Robert Carnaghan. --= ----------------------------------------------------------------------- eGr= oups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com= - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 427 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 11404 invoked by uid 7770); 22 May 1999 17:32:47 -0000 Received: from gilliam.vip.uk.com (194.176.218.1) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 22 May 1999 17:32:47 -0000 Received: from default (VIP-206-37.vip.uk.com [194.176.206.37]) by gilliam.vip.uk.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id SAA17397 for ; Sat, 22 May 1999 18:32:04 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <000101bea477$e7bf73e0$25ceb0c2@default> From: "wood" To: Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 14:27:19 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Subject: [ido] Revuo Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000C_01BEA45F.32D01A60" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01BEA45F.32D011A60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Kar amiki **************** Hans St. ***************** Multa danki pro remar= ki. ********************* Jean Martignon ********************** Havar Letr= o Internaciona sur la inter-reto esus ecelanta. 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------=_NextPart_000_000C_01BEA45F.32D011A60-- From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 428 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 5183 invoked by uid 7770); 22 May 1999 18:36:01 -0000 Received: from www.minitel.net (HELO gmailint2.globalmail.net) (193.252.91.20) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 22 May 1999 18:36:01 -0000 Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 20:36:00 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199905221836.UAA16097@gmailint2.globalmail.net> From: jeanmartignon@minitel.net (JEAN MARTIGNON) Reply-To: jeanmartignon@minitel.net To: idolisto@egroups.com (IDOLISTO) MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] Menade bal pu"ki bal Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Kar amiki cibernauti, Menade bal pu"ki bal signifikas en Volapu"k : Un homaro un linguo. Dum la intermilita tempo la Esperantala organizuro SAT adoptis ica moto e deziris la desaparo di omna patuazi Kar amiki, Menade bal pu"ki bal esis la bela devizo di Volapu"kal movado e signifikas en Ido : Un homaro un linguo. Dum la intermilita tempo la Esperantala organizuro SAT adoptis ica devizo e deziris la desaparo di omna patuazi (*) (t.e. nacionala ed etnala lingui). To ne esis tote astonanta nam SAT esas sennaciona organizuro qua deziras la desaparo di omna nacioni por ke existez nur un homaro, nedividita per rasi, nacioni e religii. Ma me kredis ke ica volo esis nur apartajo di SAT. Normale interlinguo esas linguo qua vizas esar nur helpanta linguo e ne la sola uzata e parolata linguo en la mondo. Me lektis hiere kelka artikli en kalendario di 1932 en Ido. Inter ica artikli esis un ek Marcel Pesch (Persiko) redaktinto dil dicionario dil 10.000 radiki. Lua stilo e dominaco di la linguo esis tote remarkinda, ma en ica artiklo il asertis ke Ido devis remplasar omna lingui existanta en la mondo. Il adjuntis : kompreneble iton ni ne povas dicar apertite, to esas vereso quan ni devas celar por homi qui ne intelektus, ma mondolinguo devas pos min o plu longa tempo remplasar omna altra lingui. Me citas ito memore, nam il ne skribis lo exakte tale, ma to esis lua sinso. Persone, ito tote ne jenus me se Ido desaparigus omna altra lingui e remplasus oli, ma me supozas ke esas homi qui pensas altramaniere... Quon vu opinionas ? Ka fakte devas esar : un homaro un linguo, o kad Ido mustas restar nur helpanta linguo uzata nur por relati kun stranjeri e konseque la patuazi (*) mustas esar sorgoze flegata ? Kad ita bilinguismo esas posibla ? Forsan existas landi ube dialekti e nacionala linguo bone kunexistas, ma kustumale oficala linguo inklinas desaparigar sua dialekti e regionala lingui. Kun kordiala ciberspacala saluti. jeanmartignon@minitel.net ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 429 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 24119 invoked by uid 7770); 22 May 1999 19:27:22 -0000 Received: from spartacus.a2000.nl (HELO smtp2.a2000.nl) (62.108.1.20) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 22 May 1999 19:27:22 -0000 Received: from node118d7.a2000.nl ([24.132.24.215] helo=default) by smtp2.a2000.nl with smtp (Exim 2.02 #4) id 10lHQU-0007Fy-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Sat, 22 May 1999 21:27:18 +0200 Message-ID: <003f01bea489$f50d0aa0$d7188418@default.a2000.nl> From: "Ido-Info" To: "idolisto" Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 21:33:23 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Subject: [ido] lingual akademio es linguo-festo Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kar amiki, Me restas opinionante ke akademio povas esar tre utila por l' Idistaro. Se ya nur por selekto di nova vorti. E, ti qui konocas me sat longe, me nulafoye esis por komisitaro selektita qua decidas pri vorti (segun vorto di Jean Martignon: "diktatoresala"), ma per la maxim granda quanteso de partoprenanti kam posible (segun propozo mea: "demokratiala"). Me ja kelka foyi propozis insertar en Progreso listo de nova vorti (preferinde, trovita en l' Ido-jurnalaro e che Idolisto). Ti qui interesas su pri nia linguo, aprobas o desaprobas la vorti. La tasko di eventuala Komitato Linguala es observar ta vorti (ofte asteriskizita) e probar (ka refutar?) la neceseso di propozi, ne interdiktar oli! Tale ni kreos plu ampla vortari per plu demokratiala maniero. Ka numero un (1) di Eric Dickens ne es segun la sama principo? Se la praktiko selektas la uzado di certena vorti, ka ta sama uzanti anke ne povas votar segun lia preferata uzado? Quo importas es ke ni klare povas dicar: ho, en Ido ni skribas ta vorto tale, od: ho, l' Ido-equivalento es to, edc. Nun ni ofte mem ne povas tradukar la maxim moderna vorti de la maxim nacionala lingui. Cetere, me kredas ke l' Idomovemento havas statuti, ka ne? Forsan, se chanjo es tante granda minaco por certeni (e kredez me, anke me ne deziras chanjar la gramatiko, anke me kredas ye bazo de-irala). Ma me ne volas exkluzar altra (alternativa) formi di expreso. Ni povus fixigar ke adminime es korekta la gramatiko segun la Kompleta Gramatiko Kompleta da de Beaufront, ma ke darfas esar experimentata per altra formi. Me kredas ye l' akumulanta posiblesi, omna (nova) formi greftita ye la bazo. Lore Ido esos quale arboro, fruktifant (stili, literaturi) e ramifikanta (diversesko dil uzanti, nova sociala grupi uzanta Ido). Me kredas ke l' Akademio povas esar defensiva faktoro por la bazo di Ido. Me ne deziras esar tro pesimistoza, ma mem sen la bizantina diskuti (nulatempe me savus ta vorto danke ta diskuti!), ni ne atraktas abundanta adheranti! Me kredas ye equilibranta mixuro de amba aspiraji, tam solicitado di nov adheranti kam pensado pri nia linguo. Saluti amikala, Hans St. ************************************************ Ido, linguo internaciona, absolute vizitez: http://members.tripod.com/~avancigado ************************************************ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 430 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 3776 invoked by uid 7770); 22 May 1999 17:20:09 -0000 Received: from wya-lfd128.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (207.82.252.192) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 22 May 1999 17:20:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 96285 invoked by uid 0); 22 May 1999 17:20:10 -0000 Message-ID: <19990522172010.96284.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 206.167.80.240 by wy1lg.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sat, 22 May 1999 10:20:09 PDT Reply-To: idolinguo@geocities.com From: "Martin Lavallee" To: 100024.1005@compuserve.com Cc: idolisto@egroups.com Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 10:20:09 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] Itallingua e germanlingua lexiki Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kar sioro Carnaghan Vu skribis: �Kelka semani ante nun me mem (Frank Kasper esos plezata!) kelke ri-novigis la tereno ye .� Me esas tre felica ke vu to facis. Vua tereno esas tre grava kontributo por la avancigado dil internacionlingua ideo. Me dezirus indikar ke la ret-adreso http://members.aol.com/idolinguo/#italiano ne plus existas: Me persone kredas ke ico atraktis italianlinguani en la Ido-movado e sioro Carlo Nardini demonstris ico per marveloza tradukuri dil pagini dil anglalingua oficala TTT-eyo trovebla ad http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/8009/idolinguo/lingua/itallingue.htm Me povas rikopiar ica itallingua TTT-eyo se sioro Robert Carnaghan voluntas sendar la nuna ret-adreso (URLa). La sama propozo aplikesas por la germanlingua lexiko. La aktivado di sioro Nic ap Glyn multe felicigas me. Gratuli al angla idisti! Ne obliviez sendar numero ad sioro Kevin Ford en Kanada. Maxim amike vin salutas Martin Linguo Internaciona Ido http://yi.com/home/ChandlerJames/ http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/8009/idolinguo.html ______________________________________________________ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 431 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 15444 invoked by uid 7770); 22 May 1999 20:35:46 -0000 Received: from www.minitel.net (HELO gmailint2.globalmail.net) (193.252.91.20) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 22 May 1999 20:35:46 -0000 Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 22:35:46 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199905222035.WAA10099@gmailint2.globalmail.net> From: jeanmartignon@minitel.net (JEAN MARTIGNON) Reply-To: jeanmartignon@minitel.net To: idolisto@egroups.com (IDOLISTO) MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] Bizantina diskuti Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Kara cibernauti, Certe mem sen la bizantina diskuti, ni ne esus centamilioni de homi, ma vice esar kelka deki de personi en la mondo, ni povus esar kelka mili. La krizo di 1928 tre febligis nia movado, ma anke la quereli dil posmilital tempo (pos 1945) impedis nia movado kreskar e difuzesar mem modeste. Me pensas pri ito. Koncerne akademio, kad existas Akademio por la Angla linguo qua esas la linguo standante maxim bone en la mondo ? Vice akademio (ni esas tro poke nombroza por ito) me kredas ke esus plu bona havar linguala konsilantaro qua rekomendus e propozus vorti, ma sen igar oli obligala. Cetere la Akademio di Esperanto havas nur tala rolo ed obedias ti qui volas. La linguo tamen funcionas bone. Koncerne la demokrateso di vorto-elekto da omni me havas multa restrikti, nam suficas lektar la plumultar mesaji hike, por vidar ke, quale omnube, esas tre poka sagaca e racionoza homi. La maxim bona decidanto es la uzado, nam la homi qui rezonas stulte kande li mustas rapide selektar, esas multe plu saja e racionoza kande li havas tempo reflektar ed establisar pokope uzado. Ito povas nur devenar de parolata e skribata linguo, lore onu remarkas en la realeso to quo bone fitas e to quo ne fitas. Ma diskuti en abstrakteso abutas generale a nulo. Ne nur che la Idisti, ma omnube. Koncerne la alternativa formi, oli ne darfas esar tro nombroza, nam nia linguo perdus parto de sua simpleso e facileso. Lore esus preferebla adoptar Interlingua. Esus plu oportuna parlernar Ido ed uzar omna lua posiblesi qui ja esas tre granda. La alternativa formi omnakaze existas per la eroreti quin ni omna facas pro nesuficanta savo di la linguo e di lua bona pasinta autori ed anke pro nesuficanta atenco. Ma sempre por homi qui volas chanji ed alternativa formi existas moyeno : tradukez bona verki de autori en via nacionala lingui. Redaktez ipsa romani, redaktez revui od adminime redaktez artikli por ja existanta revui kun vua propozi pri chanji ed alternativa formi. Redaktez ed editigez propraspense nova dicionarii e gramatiki, se ne omna vua propozi e deziri esos "lettre morte" (mortinta litero) quale ni dicas en la Franca. Ti qui ne agas por la linguo per literaturo e kapableso linguala ne darfas modifikigar nia linguo. Ma ne nur por Ido, ico existas por omna altra lingui, pro quo ni esus ecepto ? Linguo ne esas ne povas esar ludilo, ol esas instrumento quan onu perfektigas per laboro, ne per diskuti ed voti. Homi qui esas nur lernanti pri instrumento ne devus yurizesar dicar quale olu devus funcionar a plu experiencoza uzanti. Se vere la instrumento ne plezas a li quale olu esas, li havas la posibleso lernar plear altra instrumento o mem krear la propra e lasar tranquil ti qui amas ica instrumento e probas utiligar olu korekte. Ultre to, me konjektas ke la reformemi pos perturbir movado, tamen mem se li sucesas, esas eterna deskontenta homi e fine livas pos min o plu longa tempo la movado. Ne diskutin, ma verkin ni bezonas. Experiencoza homi pose povos divenar linguala konsilantaro. Ma omnakaze duminstante diskuti esas vana nam nia movado ne havas la kapabla homi por redaktar nova gramatiki e lexiki ed anke indijas la pekunio por imprimigar tala verki... Do, la nura solvo esas la tradicionala linguo e la laboro. jeanmartignon@minitel.net ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 432 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 11078 invoked by uid 7770); 22 May 1999 21:52:24 -0000 Received: from spartacus.a2000.nl (HELO smtp2.a2000.nl) (62.108.1.20) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 22 May 1999 21:52:24 -0000 Received: from node118d7.a2000.nl ([24.132.24.215] helo=default) by smtp2.a2000.nl with smtp (Exim 2.02 #4) id 10lJgt-0001Pc-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Sat, 22 May 1999 23:52:23 +0200 Message-ID: <005201bea49e$3a816860$d7188418@default.a2000.nl> From: "Ido-Info" To: "idolisto" Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 23:58:28 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Subject: [ido] tamen... Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kar amiki, kar amiko Jean, Certe, vu es justa, ke ti qui deziras experimentar nova propozi o formi, laborez ipse por krear literaturo od artiklifas por revui. Se ula redaktero o redakterio ne aprobas o konkordas lo nova, lore simple es desfortuno por la reformemo. E yes, anke me konkordas ke ti qui ne aprobas certena linguo-gramatiko o la tota linguo, li serchez altra linguo sive kreez propra linguo. Saja vorti! Me prizas l' expresuro: litero mortinta. Me esforcas omno por krear lektaji. Nun me prizas spektar favorata televizionoprogramo mea, do pardonez me pro ca kelke abrupta fino! Kar amiko Jacques Bol, Me bone recevis l' extra exemplero di Progreso, danko! Til riskribo! Saluti amikala, Hans St. ************************************************ Ido, linguo internaciona, absolute vizitez: http://members.tripod.com/~avancigado ************************************************ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 433 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 9503 invoked by uid 7770); 22 May 1999 23:16:11 -0000 Received: from farida.a2000.nl (HELO smtp1.a2000.nl) (62.108.1.19) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 22 May 1999 23:16:11 -0000 Received: from node118d7.a2000.nl ([24.132.24.215] helo=default) by smtp1.a2000.nl with smtp (Exim 2.02 #4) id 10lKzy-00063D-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Sun, 23 May 1999 01:16:10 +0200 Message-ID: <000301bea4a9$eeeeac80$d7188418@default.a2000.nl> From: "Ido-Info" To: "idolisto" Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 01:22:16 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Subject: [ido] voluntez helpar trovar Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kar amiki, Me es serchanta traduko por l' Angla vorti "toggle, to toggle". Precipue, me serchas la tradukuro por mantelo kun klozilo qua funcionas per kordeto (fakte, slingeto) qua hokesas cirkum peceto de ligno, tale ke la ligneto preventas la desklozo di la mantelo. Yen l' equivalanti en: la Nederlandana: houtje-touwtje jas l' Angla: toggle coat la Hispana: trenca Qui es l' equivalanti en: la Rusa: l' Italiana: la Portugalana: la Franca: la Germana: Predanki, Saluti amikala, Hans St. ************************************************ Ido, linguo internaciona, absolute vizitez: http://members.tripod.com/~avancigado ************************************************ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 434 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 16979 invoked by uid 7770); 23 May 1999 13:43:31 -0000 Received: from gilliam.vip.uk.com (194.176.218.1) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 23 May 1999 13:43:31 -0000 Received: from default (VIP-202-167.vip.uk.com [194.176.202.167]) by gilliam.vip.uk.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA09916 for ; Sun, 23 May 1999 14:43:24 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <003201bea521$1f594340$a7cab0c2@default> From: "wood" To: Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 14:33:28 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Subject: [ido] Ido Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002E_01BEA529.3984CFC0" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ------=_NextPart_000_002E_01BEA529.3984CCFC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Kar amiki, Pri Ido La questiono sive = on povas savar irgo decidesas ne per argumento ma per praktiko. 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------=_NextPart_000_002E_01BEA529.3984CCFC0-- From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 435 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 31087 invoked by uid 7770); 23 May 1999 15:46:07 -0000 Received: from dipobox.sis.it (193.70.16.1) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 23 May 1999 15:46:07 -0000 Received: from lizard [193.70.17.58] with smtp by dipobox.sis.it with smtp (Smail-3.2.0.101 1997-Dec-17 #8 #8) id m10lbNi-000909C; Sun, 23 May 1999 17:45:46 +0100 (GMT+0100) Message-Id: Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 17:45:46 +0100 (GMT+0100) X-Sender: narcar@mailserver.sis.it X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 To: idolisto@egroups.com From: Nardini Carlo Subject: [ido] vestaro Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kar amiko Hans Stuifbergen, me trovis lo yena: Webster Dictionary: "duffle coat" or "duffel coat": a heavy usually woolen medium-length coat with toggle fasteners and a hood. Me opinionas ke to esas lo sama kam "toggle coat". Takaze: G Dufflecoat A duffle coat o duffel coat F duffle-coat o duffel-coat H trenca P ? I montgomery R ? En mea Rusa-Italiana-Rusa vortaro esas: "mujskoie palto" (literale: maskula paltoto). Forsan la Rusa ne havas vorto plu preciza. Me ne savas. Kordiale Carlo Nardini ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 436 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 18441 invoked by uid 7770); 23 May 1999 19:16:29 -0000 Received: from www.minitel.net (HELO gmailint2.globalmail.net) (193.252.91.20) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 23 May 1999 19:16:29 -0000 Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 21:16:19 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199905231916.VAA02807@gmailint2.globalmail.net> From: jeanmartignon@minitel.net (JEAN MARTIGNON) Reply-To: jeanmartignon@minitel.net To: idolisto@egroups.com (IDOLISTO) MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] Diversaji Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Kara cibernauti, Kara s-ro Wood, Me dankas s-ro Wood pro ilua aprobo enretigar "Letro Internaciona". Me esperas ke uladie ito divenos realeso. Me lektis hodie chapitri de libro pri la origini di la Greka civilizo. Esis ulo tre interesiva; segun historiisto J. Spanuth, la Doriani, qui invadis Grekia cirkum la 13ma yarcento ante nia ero, esis Skandinavi devenante de la regiono apud l'insulo Heligoland. Li ekpulsesis de ca teritoriio pro terorigiva kataklismo qua eventis lore en ica parto di Europa. Spanuth situigis ibe Atlantido. Ica ekpulsata populi iris til Mediteranea landi e kombatis la anciena Egiptiani qui nomizis li : "la populi dil maro". Pro lia desvinko kontre la Egiptiani li iris ad altra mediteranea landi ed invadis Grekia, tale finante la Mikena epoko dil Greka historio e preparante la voyo a la futura klasika civilizuro Greka. La Spartani esis Doriani, e multo che li pensigis pri la Prusiani ed ito povus justifikar la tezo di J. Spanuth. Do, nia kara Germana samideano Frank Kasper es forsan decendanto di la Atlantidani (segun Spanuth) Kun kordiala ciberspacala saluti. jeanmartignon@minitel.net ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 437 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 29388 invoked by uid 7770); 23 May 1999 22:25:42 -0000 Received: from mail2.ip.pt (194.79.69.132) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 23 May 1999 22:25:42 -0000 Received: from clientec (pm-lx-4-47.net.ip.pt [195.23.4.111]) by mail2.ip.pt with ESMTP id XAA13616 for < idolisto@egroups.com>; Sun, 23 May 1999 23:25:47 +0100 (WEST) Message-Id: <199905232225.XAA13616@mail2.ip.pt> Reply-To: From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Gon=E7alo_Neves?=" To: "IDOLISTO" Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 08:33:40 +0200 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] Re: voluntez helpar trovar Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Amiko Hans questionis: > Me es serchanta traduko por l' Angla vorti "toggle, to toggle". Precipue, me > serchas la tradukuro por mantelo kun klozilo qua funcionas per kordeto > (fakte, slingeto) qua hokesas cirkum peceto de ligno, tale ke la ligneto > preventas la desklozo di la mantelo. En la Portugalana: canadiana En Esperanto: duflo Kun saluto kordial, Gon�alo Neves ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 438 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 23771 invoked by uid 7770); 24 May 1999 11:53:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO epmsa001.ep.minsk.by) (194.226.122.227) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 24 May 1999 11:53:16 -0000 Received: by epmsa001.ep.minsk.by with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Mon, 24 May 1999 14:51:45 +0300 Message-ID: <8D76D48EDDD3D211AC3000A0C98212E703A7D3@epmsa001.ep.minsk.by> From: "Dmitri P. Laptsionak" To: 'IDOLISTO' Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 14:51:44 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Subject: [ido] Diversaji Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Saluti Me dankas a estimata sioro Jean Martignon. Me ja recevis "Letro Internaciona" e parlektis. Kelka skriburi sur "Komikso" esas apene lektebla - forsan pro ke konverto esis damajita. Me kun granda plezuro skribus o tradukus aden Ido. Ma por to me havas tre mikra vort-provizo. Forsan se me pozus ula tradukuro en ca listo ulu korektigus erori e savigus a me mankanta vorti. Me tale ja facis - sendis naraceto "Libero" al listo - ma nulu reagis. Me certe ne volas uzar Idolistani kom vortari. Koncerne Akademio - se ol ne havos decidanta voco (por dicar - "uzez nur ta formo") - por qua skopo ol uzesos? E se l' Akademio havos obliganta povo - komence on diskutos pri statuto, pose pri membri, pose pri raiti dil Akademio. E lore eventos ke ne singlu volos obediar a decidi. Imaginez ni, ke omna Idisti esas membri di ta Akademio e nia listo esas ne-cesanta kunsido. Do propozez nova vorti, la membri analizos oli. To ja tre bone sucesis pri la nomi di zodiako-signi. Me vartas simila rezultajo pri komputorala/komputilala vorti. Kara sioro T. Wood. Me joye trovis vua tereno pri/por Ido, ankore ne-vizita da me. Do me serchos tempo por par-irar ol tota. Zmicier Lapcionak ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 439 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 23432 invoked by uid 7770); 24 May 1999 18:01:40 -0000 Received: from spartacus.a2000.nl (HELO smtp2.a2000.nl) (62.108.1.20) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 24 May 1999 18:01:40 -0000 Received: from node118d7.a2000.nl ([24.132.24.215] helo=default) by smtp2.a2000.nl with smtp (Exim 2.02 #4) id 10lz2h-0004wd-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Mon, 24 May 1999 20:01:39 +0200 Message-ID: <000f01bea610$54dcda00$d7188418@default.a2000.nl> From: "Ido-Info" To: "idolisto" Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 20:07:47 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Subject: [ido] Ka Libero? Ka duflo? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kar amiki, Me astonesas lektir en la mesajo da Zmicier (Dmitri) ke lu sendis naracuro a la listo, titulizita: Libero. Regretinde me ne plu povas rimemoras ol, ma certe es tre kurioza. Forsan vu volas risendar ol, Zmicier. Me tre dankas siori Neves e Nardini pro lia tradukuri di la vorto Angla 'toggle coat'. Efektive semblas ke la majoritato di la GAFHIRS-lingui donas "duffle coat" do l' Esperantala "duflo" ne semblas mala selekto. Tamen, en mea dicionario Angla-Nederlandana "duffle" (Ndlna: duffel) skribesas ke 'duffle' es materialo de qua la mantelo es facita. Ma quale nomesas la sistemo di klozo di la mantelo, do 'toggle'? Voluntez en la GAFHIRS-lingui: G A F H I R S P Predanko pro via helpo. Saluti amikala, Hans St. ************************************************ Ido, linguo internaciona, absolute vizitez: http://members.tripod.com/~avancigado ************************************************ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 440 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 11684 invoked by uid 7770); 24 May 1999 19:28:00 -0000 Received: from www.minitel.net (HELO gmailint2.globalmail.net) (193.252.91.20) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 24 May 1999 19:28:00 -0000 Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 21:27:55 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199905241927.VAA19499@gmailint2.globalmail.net> From: jeanmartignon@minitel.net (JEAN MARTIGNON) Reply-To: jeanmartignon@minitel.net To: idolisto@egroups.com (IDOLISTO) MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] Rozinil Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Kara cibernauti, Me havas anciena dicionario pri la Bretona linguo e tale me saveskis ke la floro quan ni nomas kalendulo en Ido nomesas rozinil en la Bretona. Bela nomo, kad ne ? Ciberspacala saluti. JM PS - Quale onu nomas la kalendulo en via nacionala lingui ? ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 441 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 28593 invoked by uid 7770); 24 May 1999 20:46:20 -0000 Received: from spartacus.a2000.nl (HELO smtp2.a2000.nl) (62.108.1.20) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 24 May 1999 20:46:20 -0000 Received: from node118d7.a2000.nl ([24.132.24.215] helo=default) by smtp2.a2000.nl with smtp (Exim 2.02 #4) id 10m1bx-0003X8-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Mon, 24 May 1999 22:46:13 +0200 Message-ID: <000701bea627$52b854e0$d7188418@default.a2000.nl> From: "Ido-Info" To: "idolisto" Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 22:52:22 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Subject: [ido] Kalendula Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kalendula en la Nederlandana es: goudsbloem, literale tradukita es: floro de oro. Anke existas altra versiono, quan l' Angli nomizas "French marigold", ta nomesas en la Nederlandana: Afrikaantje. Saluti amikala, Hans Stuifbergen ************************************************ Ido, linguo internaciona, absolute vizitez: http://members.tripod.com/~avancigado ************************************************ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 442 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 18610 invoked by uid 7770); 24 May 1999 21:23:24 -0000 Received: from lince.lander.es (195.76.46.35) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 24 May 1999 21:23:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 28126 invoked from network); 24 May 1999 21:23:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ppp-47-239.lander.es) (195.76.47.229) by lince.lander.es with SMTP; 24 May 1999 21:23:15 -0000 X-Sender: joser@lince.lander.es X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 To: idolisto@egroups.com From: "j.m.rodriguez" Subject: [ido] Diversaji Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kar amiki: En la hispana linguo la angla vorto to toggle on dicas trancar, ma ta vorto en la hispana es preske ne- uzata. Pri kalendula, en la hispana linguo ta floro hav la maxim bela nomo, c.e. MARAVILLAS (marvelaji), ek la latina linguo mirabilia (anke marvelaji). Recevez kordiala saluti de Hispania. Jose Maria Rodriguez Hernandez joser@lander.es ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 443 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 19515 invoked by uid 7770); 24 May 1999 21:24:42 -0000 Received: from spartacus.a2000.nl (HELO smtp2.a2000.nl) (62.108.1.20) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 24 May 1999 21:24:42 -0000 Received: from node118d7.a2000.nl ([24.132.24.215] helo=default) by smtp2.a2000.nl with smtp (Exim 2.02 #4) id 10m2DA-0006dj-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Mon, 24 May 1999 23:24:40 +0200 Message-ID: <002201bea62c$b1a05840$d7188418@default.a2000.nl> From: "Ido-Info" To: "idolisto" Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 23:30:48 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Subject: [ido] defino di diglosio* Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kar amiki, Qua havas bona definuro di la vorto 'diglosio'? Saluti amikala, Hans Stuifbergen ************************************************ Ido, linguo internaciona, absolute vizitez: http://members.tripod.com/~avancigado ************************************************ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 444 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 25323 invoked by uid 7770); 25 May 1999 10:03:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO epmsa001.ep.minsk.by) (194.226.122.227) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 25 May 1999 10:03:24 -0000 Received: by epmsa001.ep.minsk.by with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Tue, 25 May 1999 13:01:56 +0300 Message-ID: <8D76D48EDDD3D211AC3000A0C98212E703A7D4@epmsa001.ep.minsk.by> From: "Dmitri P. Laptsionak" To: 'IDOLISTO' Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 13:01:51 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Subject: [ido] Re: LIBERO Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1251" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Saluto ad omni. Yen esas mea unesma probo tradukar. Me ne savas multa vorti, do me uzis le angla. Bonvolez korektigar erori e mankanta vorti. LIBERO Viola Marioni (Mexika) - Vu esas libera. - Danko, sioro. - Vu esas libera. - Danko, sioro. - Vu esas absolute libera e povas irar ad-ube vu volas e dicar irgo vu volas. - Granda danko, sioro. - Pro quo ya vu ne dicas irgo vu volas? - Me ja dicis. - Quon vu dicis? Kande? Me ankore audis nulo. - Me dicis "Granda danko". - Poke. Vu povas irar ad-ube vu volas, dansetante e saltante pro joyo, ke vu esas absolute libera e povas dicar irgo vu volas. - Me dansetas. - Vu base dansetas. Vu havas plena yuro alte saltadar sur un pedo, por ke omni de fore povez vidar, ke nulu impedas a vu dansetadar pro joyo. Yen tale. Nun ja plu bone. - Bonvolez dicar, sioro, ka me darfas por ne-longe cesar la dansado pro joyo e ireskar paze? Ya me poke panteskis* (perdis la spiro) (A. to pant, be out of breath). - Vartez minuto. Me mustas lektar en la instrucioni. Yen, komento ad artiklo 6: "De joya saltado esas liberigata personi, sufranta de pos-resta fenomeni di yuneva poliomielito*". - Granda danko, sioro. Me almene rispiros* (A. to take breath) ... - Ne ireskez - vu ankore ne montris atestilo pri pos-resta poliomielito*. - Pardonez, sioro, me ne savas, qua vu esas ... - Me esas instruktisto pri lernigado (instruktado) a populo quale uzar senlimita libero. - Danko, granda danko. E dicez, sioro instruktisto pri lernigado di uzado, ka me darfas ... - Ne darfas. Ne distraktesez. Saltadez pro joyo. Plu alte, plu alte, plu salte ... Zmicier Lapcionak ------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 445 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 15826 invoked by uid 7770); 25 May 1999 17:48:33 -0000 Received: from www.minitel.net (HELO gmailint2.globalmail.net) (193.252.91.20) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 25 May 1999 17:48:33 -0000 Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 19:48:31 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199905251748.TAA25500@gmailint2.globalmail.net> From: jeanmartignon@minitel.net (JEAN MARTIGNON) Reply-To: jeanmartignon@minitel.net To: idolisto@egroups.com (IDOLISTO) MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] Kalendulo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Kar amiki, Me dankas ti qui respondis pri la traduko di kalendulo en lia patuazi (*) En mea patuazo la nomo di ca floro esas : souci. Ito esas la sama vorto kam souci qua tradukesas per sucio en Ido. Do, regretinda nomo. Me ne intelektas pro quo tante bela floro havas tante desgaya nomo en mea matrala linguo. Saluti ad omni. jeanmartignon@minitel.net ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 446 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 8488 invoked by uid 7770); 25 May 1999 20:52:58 -0000 Received: from spartacus.a2000.nl (HELO smtp2.a2000.nl) (62.108.1.20) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 25 May 1999 20:52:58 -0000 Received: from node118d7.a2000.nl ([24.132.24.215] helo=default) by smtp2.a2000.nl with smtp (Exim 2.02 #4) id 10mOBv-000237-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Tue, 25 May 1999 22:52:51 +0200 Message-ID: <000b01bea6f1$6ae0d040$d7188418@default.a2000.nl> From: "Ido-Info" To: "idolisto" Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 22:59:01 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Subject: [ido] Libero Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kar amiko Dmitri, Danko pro la rakonteto. Me parlektos ol ca vespero, erste me drinkos biro o vino kun Diego, bon amiko mea de Hispania, qua (mi-)studias Ido en kambio por la Hispana. Saluti amikala, Hans St. ************************************************ Ido, linguo internaciona, absolute vizitez: http://members.tripod.com/~avancigado ************************************************ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 447 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 1098 invoked by uid 7770); 26 May 1999 06:24:27 -0000 Received: from gilliam.vip.uk.com (194.176.218.1) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 26 May 1999 06:24:27 -0000 Received: from default (VIP-206-120.vip.uk.com [194.176.206.120]) by gilliam.vip.uk.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id HAA09524 for ; Wed, 26 May 1999 07:24:23 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <000001bea73f$4540b780$78ceb0c2@default> From: "wood" To: Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 06:57:08 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Subject: [ido] Pagini e derivo Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000C_01BEA744.F8CAAF40" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01BEA744.F8CAAAF40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Kar amiki *********************************** Zmicier Lapcionak e Han St. *= ********************************** Danki pro remarki pri ret-pagini. ****= ************ Hans St. **************** Pri informo/informuro: Vu skribas: '= informi' ... es bone komprenata. Quon facar? Nul problemo. Se ol funci= onas uzez ol. Amikal saluti Tom Wood -----------------------------------= ------------------------------------- eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups= .com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communicatio= ns ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01BEA744.F8CAAAF40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable content-type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1"
Kar amiki
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Zmicier Lapcionak e Han St.
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Danki pro remarki pri ret-pagini.
 
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------=_NextPart_000_000C_01BEA744.F8CAAAF40-- From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 448 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 21854 invoked by uid 7770); 26 May 1999 08:24:48 -0000 Received: from spartacus.a2000.nl (HELO smtp2.a2000.nl) (62.108.1.20) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 26 May 1999 08:24:48 -0000 Received: from node118d7.a2000.nl ([24.132.24.215] helo=default) by smtp2.a2000.nl with smtp (Exim 2.02 #4) id 10mYzW-0006VQ-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Wed, 26 May 1999 10:24:46 +0200 Message-ID: <001901bea752$16d27240$d7188418@default.a2000.nl> From: "Ido-Info" To: "idolisto" Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 10:31:02 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Subject: [ido] Abou Ben Adhem Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Kar amiko Martin Lavall�e, Me ne povas apertar per tua ligo (en l' URL-adresi), la pagino da Tom Wood, pri Abou Ben Adhem. Ka l' adreso es justa? Saluti amikala, Hans St. ************************************************ Ido, linguo internaciona, absolute vizitez: http://members.tripod.com/~avancigado ************************************************ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 449 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 11945 invoked by uid 7770); 27 May 1999 07:25:48 -0000 Received: from mout0.01019freenet.de (194.97.109.116) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 27 May 1999 07:25:48 -0000 Received: from [194.97.109.112] (helo=mx0.01019freenet.de) by mout0.01019freenet.de with esmtp (Exim 3.00 #2) id 10muY0-00069c-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Thu, 27 May 1999 09:25:48 +0200 Received: from [212.81.173.126] (helo=www) by mx0.01019freenet.de with smtp (Exim 3.00 #2) id 10muXh-0003tA-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Thu, 27 May 1999 09:25:30 +0200 Message-ID: <002001bea812$11859f40$7ead51d4@fen.baynet.de> From: "Frank Kasper" To: "Idolisto (Mesaji)" Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 09:14:49 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Subject: [ido] Re: Plusa komenti da Alfred Neussner Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0011_01BEA821.5EEC8AA0" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01BEA821.5EEC88AA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" content-transfer-encoding: 7bit content-type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Kara amiki! L'uzado determinas quo uzesas: Forsan., ma lore esos Ido, se to esos principo, balde ne plus linguo logikoza e reguloza. To esas la principo di la nacionala lingui, qui tale dum la yarmili divenis desreguloza e pro to desfacila. Ni ofras Ido kom reguloza linguo, se linguala neglijemeso esos aceptata, lore Ido uldie esos tam desfacila e nepreciza kam irga nacionala linguo. Me plendas kontre nulu, qua exho ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01BEA821.5EEC88AA0-- From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 450 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 11945 invoked by uid 7770); 27 May 1999 07:25:48 -0000 Received: from mout0.01019freenet.de (194.97.109.116) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 27 May 1999 07:25:48 -0000 Received: from [194.97.109.112] (helo=mx0.01019freenet.de) by mout0.01019freenet.de with esmtp (Exim 3.00 #2) id 10muY0-00069c-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Thu, 27 May 1999 09:25:48 +0200 Received: from [212.81.173.126] (helo=www) by mx0.01019freenet.de with smtp (Exim 3.00 #2) id 10muXh-0003tA-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Thu, 27 May 1999 09:25:30 +0200 Message-ID: <002001bea812$11859f40$7ead51d4@fen.baynet.de> From: "Frank Kasper" To: "Idolisto (Mesaji)" Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 09:14:49 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Subject: [ido] Re: Plusa komenti da Alfred Neussner Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0011_01BEA821.5EEC8AA0" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01BEA821.5EEC88AA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" content-transfer-encoding: 7bit content-type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Kara amiki! L'uzado determinas quo uzesas: Forsan., ma lore esos Ido, se to esos principo, balde ne plus linguo logikoza e reguloza. To esas la principo di la nacionala lingui, qui ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01BEA821.5EEC88AA0-- From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 453 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 11945 invoked by uid 7770); 27 May 1999 07:25:48 -0000 Received: from mout0.01019freenet.de (194.97.109.116) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 27 May 1999 07:25:48 -0000 Received: from [194.97.109.112] (helo=mx0.01019freenet.de) by mout0.01019freenet.de with esmtp (Exim 3.00 #2) id 10muY0-00069c-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Thu, 27 May 1999 09:25:48 +0200 Received: from [212.81.173.126] (helo=www) by mx0.01019freenet.de with smtp (Exim 3.00 #2) id 10muXh-0003tA-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Thu, 27 May 1999 09:25:30 +0200 Message-ID: <002001bea812$11859f40$7ead51d4@fen.baynet.de> From: "Frank Kasper" To: "Idolisto (Mesaji)" Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 09:14:49 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Subject: [ido] Re: Plusa komenti da Alfred Neussner Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0011_01BEA821.5EEC8AA0" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01BEA821.5EEC88AA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" content-transfer-encoding: 7bit content-type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Kara amiki! L'uzado determinas quo uzesas: Forsan., ma lore esos Ido, se to esos principo, balde ne plus linguo logikoza e reguloza. To esas la principo di la nacionala lingui, qui tale dum la yarmili divenis desreguloza e pro to desfacila. Ni ofras Ido kom reguloza linguo, se linguala neglijemeso esos aceptata, lore Ido uldie esos tam desfacila e nepreciza kam irga nacionala linguo. Me plendas kontre nulu, qua exhortas me pro anke nur mikra linguala erori. Me joyas renkontrar Idisti, qui savas Ido plu bone kam me, nam mea granda sucio esas, ke Ido perisas pro manko di homi, qui vere bonege parolas Ido. Mili di Idisti, qui nur infantesale balbutas Ido, anke ne avancigus nia linguo. Desvinko: To esis spontana ideo da me, ma me ne volis dicar per to, ke to esus l'unika traduk-posibleso. Ni anke havas desfacila e ne quik per to falas a la nivelo di Esperanto. Straduomi pri vinki: Me ne volis asertar, ke absolute nulalaloke existas lando, ube on ne havas tala stradi, ma adminime en la granda landi di Europa. Certe Monako, Tonga, Tuvalu etp. apene havas tala stradnomi. Kordiala saluti Alfred Neussner alfred.neussner@idolinguo.de Ica mesajo transsendeskis da Frank Kasper frank.kasper@01019freenet.de ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01BEA821.5EEC88AA0-- From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 456 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 27488 invoked by uid 7770); 27 May 1999 08:41:30 -0000 Received: from spartacus.a2000.nl (HELO smtp2.a2000.nl) (62.108.1.20) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 27 May 1999 08:41:30 -0000 Received: from node118d7.a2000.nl ([24.132.24.215] helo=default) by smtp2.a2000.nl with smtp (Exim 2.02 #4) id 10mvjE-0005f9-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Thu, 27 May 1999 10:41:28 +0200 Message-ID: <001b01bea81d$9521f0a0$d7188418@default.a2000.nl> From: "Ido-Info" To: "idolisto" Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 10:47:41 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Subject: [ido] expliko dezirata, Bayer kontre Manchester Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Kar amiko Frank, Danko pro tua mesaji. Me es tre joyanta pro tua tradukuri dil Angla vorto "to toggle". Precipue "Knebelverschluss" es bel e bona vorto, qua a me expresas la slingeto-ligneto-sistemo di la klozilo. Me anke lektis la mesajo da Alfred Neussner. Me ankore ne komprenas quale funcionas ke Alfred povas partoprenar la forumo, se il ne havas aceso ad interreto. Ka tu sendas la mesaji a lu per faxilo, e kad il retrofaxas respondo, quan tu transkopias ad idolisto? O ka tu direte de la komputoro povas transsendar la mesajo a la faxilo di Alfred ed reverse? Hiere me spektis en kafeerio la futbalokonkurso inter Manchester Unionita e Bayer M�nchen. Esis tre ecitiva ludado, per un punto la Germana esis avanca ye l' Angli dum preske la tota konkurso, nur dum l' ultima du minuti du punti ganesis dal Angli, tale li vinkis la konkurso. Esis tre agreabla humoro en la kafeerio, me esis kun Angla amiki, ma anke asistis Germana turisti an la sama tablo ed esis nul enemikeso. Saluti amikala, Hans Stuifbergen ************************************************ Ido, linguo internaciona, absolute vizitez: http://members.tripod.com/~avancigado ************************************************ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 457 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 10738 invoked by uid 7770); 27 May 1999 17:57:01 -0000 Received: from www.minitel.net (HELO gmailint2.globalmail.net) (193.252.91.20) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 27 May 1999 17:57:01 -0000 Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 19:56:55 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199905271756.TAA29304@gmailint2.globalmail.net> From: jeanmartignon@minitel.net (JEAN MARTIGNON) Reply-To: jeanmartignon@minitel.net To: idolisto@egroups.com (IDOLISTO) MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] Uzado Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Kar amiki, Kara s-ro Neu�ner, Me kredas ke parolesas pri miskompreno, kande me skribas ke la uzado establisas la regulo, ito signifikas ke me havas plu multa konfido ye simpla homi qui uzas nia linguo kam ye intelektozi qui ofte havas extravaganta rezonado. Exemple cirkum 1930, la akademio enduktis la posibleso supresas la dezinenco -as dil indikativo prezenta. Me opinionas ke, ecepte por poeziaji, ito esis absurda, nun la uzado aceptis ica reformo por la verbo esar ma sempre plu refuzas ol por altra verbi. Ito esas sajeso. Ne simpla homi e uzanti enduktas neregulaji, ma extravaganta homi, qui esis sancionita dal akademio. Onu aceptis la vorto delegaciono vice delegitaro, certe ica vorto esas plu internaciona ma ol ne obedias la lego di reversebleso : delegito - delegitaro e konseque kontributas destruktar la regulozeso e simpleso di nia linguo. Ka survoye ad Interlingua ? Existas altra exempli pri aferi quin la akademio nulatempe devabus aceptar. Kande me skribis ke la uzado establisas la regulo, me pensis pri la reformeri qui volas impozar per omna moyeni sua reformi ad akademio qua lore decidos la uzado kontre la volo dil plumulta uzanti. Se onu dicus : singlu darfas enduktar en Ido omna chanji e formi quin lu volas, ma il mustas aceptigar oli dal uzanti per artikli, literaturo e per redaktar ed editar propraspense la nova vorti e formi, forsan la reformeri divenus plu cirkonspekta, nam li konfrontesus kun lia responsiveso. Do, mem se la uzado povas enduktar nelogikoza reguli, lore to eventas multe plu lente e facile kontrolebla e ribonigebla kam per nesaja decidi desupre facita por komplezar a kelka obstinema homi. Tala nesagaca chanji eventis tro ofte en la pasinteso e me absolute volas ke li ne plus eventos en la futuro. Ma, komprenez me bone, me nule esas kontre chanji o reformi kande li esas vere NECESA, nam fakte existas kelka rara kazi en nia linguo ube chanji esus necesa. Regretinde, la reformeri sempre atakis bone funcionanta vorti, nulatempe ambigua o male konceptita vorti (ankorefoye fortunoze tre rara en Ido). Yen la motivo pro quo la uzado esas plu bona judiciisto kam akademio persekutata da reformeri. Cetere me konjektas ke reformeri, ofte, esas vaganta steli qui mem se li obtenas to quon li deziras, esas sempre deskontenta, e pos min o plu longa tempo livas la movado pos livigir nia afero a plu serioza homi. Do, se li esas obstinema e fanatika pri lia chanji, li povas esar tre danjeroza. Suficas pensar pri la pasinteso di nia movado... Malgre ita ruda e ne-afabla vorti, me salutas omni kordiale. jeanmartignon@minitel.net ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 458 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 16309 invoked by uid 7770); 28 May 1999 10:57:06 -0000 Received: from mout1.01019freenet.de (62.104.201.3) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 28 May 1999 10:57:06 -0000 Received: from [194.97.109.112] (helo=mx0.01019freenet.de) by mout1.01019freenet.de with esmtp (Exim 3.00 #2) id 10nKK1-0007qm-00; Fri, 28 May 1999 12:57:05 +0200 Received: from [212.81.172.19] (helo=www) by mx0.01019freenet.de with smtp (Exim 3.00 #2) id 10nKJk-00081P-00; Fri, 28 May 1999 12:56:48 +0200 Message-ID: <003001bea8f8$bfc58020$13ac51d4@fen.baynet.de> From: "Frank Kasper" To: "Manfred Magin" , "Idolisto (Mesaji)" Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 12:55:17 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Subject: [ido] Saluti dil privata Ido-renkontreto Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002D_01BEA909.55D3DB60" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ------=_NextPart_000_002D_01BEA909.55D3DDB60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" content-transfer-encoding: 7bit content-type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Kara amiki! Ni maxim kordiale salutas vi omni okazione de nia Ido-renkontreto en Nuernberg. Nia kara amiko Goncalo Neves jus arivis en Nuernberg e ni komune pasos la sequanta du dii babilonte IDO e regardonte l'urbo Nuernberg e la proxima regiono nomizita Frankona Suisia. Ni amba nun deziras a vi omni agreabla semanofino! Kun la maxim kordiala ed amikala saluti! Frank e Goncalo frank.kasper@01019freenet.de ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications ------=_NextPart_000_002D_01BEA909.55D3DDB60-- From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 459 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 17104 invoked by uid 7770); 28 May 1999 21:05:52 -0000 Received: from www.minitel.net (HELO gmailint1.globalmail.net) (193.252.91.20) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 28 May 1999 21:05:52 -0000 Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 23:05:47 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199905282105.XAA19018@gmailint1.globalmail.net> From: jeanmartignon@minitel.net (JEAN MARTIGNON) Reply-To: jeanmartignon@minitel.net To: idolisto@egroups.com (IDOLISTO) MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] Diglosio (*) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Kara cibernauti, kara Hans, Definuron di la vorto diglosio (*) me ne savas, tamen dicar me povas ke en la Greka ito signifikas : bilinguismo. Parolesis pri la situeso linguala en Grekia ante ne tre longe. Lore existis oficala administreriala linguo protektata dal guvernerio e qua esforcis mantenar kelke modernigita la tradicionala anciena Greka linguo. Ica idiomo nomesis la katharevusa, t.e. la purista linguo, ol kunexistis kun la ordinara linguo dil omnadia vivo parolata da omni e qua nomesis : dimotiki. La literaturisti kombatis tre energioze por la vinko di la dimotiki. Por explikar la lora situeso, onu devus pensar pri la situeso en latinida lando, se la administrerial idiomo esabus la Mezepokal Latina linguo di la Eklezio (ne la pure klasika Latina tro fora e desfacila) e la singladia linguo esante la Italiana, la Hispana, la Portugalana o la Franca. Kompreneble multa homi esabus tre deskontenta pro la permano di ca arkaika idiomo. En 1976, la lora guvernanti des-oficaligis la katharevusa e nun uzesas nur la dimotiki. La diglosio (*) finis en Grekia, ma nun pokope ol komencas en Francia ube la literatural idiomo divorcas de la omnadie parolata linguo sempre plu multe. Tamen la Franci tre prizas sua tradicionala klasika linguo e ne deziras renuncar pri olu. Do, existas sat multa autori qui redaktas en idiomo qua tre similesas olta dil 17ma yarcento e pro ke la Franci havas plu multa instrukto kam la Greki, li esas bone komprenata. Kun kordiala ciberspacala saluti. jeanmartignon@minitel.net ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 460 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 13939 invoked by uid 7770); 28 May 1999 21:58:07 -0000 Received: from farida.a2000.nl (HELO smtp1.a2000.nl) (62.108.1.19) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 28 May 1999 21:58:07 -0000 Received: from node118d7.a2000.nl ([24.132.24.215] helo=default) by smtp1.a2000.nl with smtp (Exim 2.02 #4) id 10nUdi-0006zb-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Fri, 28 May 1999 23:58:06 +0200 Message-ID: <000c01bea956$0bfc0560$d7188418@default.a2000.nl> From: "Ido-Info" To: "idolisto" Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 00:04:24 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Subject: [ido] =?iso-8859-1?Q?l'_uzado_e_politeso=2C_Saluti_a_Frank_e_Gon=E7alo?= Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Kar amiki, kar amiko Jean Martignon, Danko pro vua mesajo pri Akademio. Ol es interesanta lektar. Ultre ke me ankore sentas ke ni bezonas organo qua regulizas l' adopto di nova vorti o formi, o mem la NECESA chanji (ti quin vu aludas), me nulafoye opinionis ke devas esar mikra selektita grupo de akademiani. Me ankore adheras la penso ke demokratio es decido da omni, do quale se plebicito. Me nur tre deziras registrago di nova vorti por ke omni povez ritrovar oli vice rideskovrar la roto, t.e. ripropozar vorto por mankanta vorto o koncepto ja priparolata ante monati o mem yari. Lore es posibla referar a listo (o vortaro) ube on povas trovar la vorti uzata. Amiki, nun es 15 hori pos me skribis lo supra, me havas gasto de London, do vere ne povas tro multe partoprenar la diskuti hike en la forumo. Tamen, me recevis e lektis la mesajo pri diglosio*. Danko, me povas uzar la signifiko Greka. Me dankas Frank e Gon�alo pro la vakancala mesajo de N�rnberg, me deziras agreabla sejorno ad ambi. Me probable ripartoprenos la forumo sundiovespero o lundio. Cetere, me esis telefonita da granda televizionokanalo, pri Ido. Wow, ka me aparos ye la televiziono la duesma foyo, parolante pri Ido? Me lo certe esperas. Saluti amikala, Hans St. ************************************************ Ido, linguo internaciona, absolute vizitez: http://members.tripod.com/~avancigado ************************************************ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 461 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 24464 invoked by uid 7770); 29 May 1999 08:11:34 -0000 Received: from www.minitel.net (HELO gmailint2.globalmail.net) (193.252.91.20) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 29 May 1999 08:11:34 -0000 Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 10:11:27 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199905290811.KAA07713@gmailint2.globalmail.net> From: jeanmartignon@minitel.net (JEAN MARTIGNON) Reply-To: jeanmartignon@minitel.net To: idolisto@egroups.com (IDOLISTO) MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] Agreabla surprizo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Kara cibernauti, Hodie matine agreabla surprizon me havis, nome me havis telefonal advoko da Frank Kasper di Nuernberg qua gastigas nun nia Portugalana samideano Goncalo Neves. S-ro Neves ne nur redaktas ecelante ma parolas tre bele sonante, kun pronunco facile komprenebla, nia linguo. Do, esis granda plezuro por me interparolar lun li amba. Esas anke tre joyigiva konstatar ke fresh Idisti povas parolar e pronuncar tre bele nia idiomo. Maxim kordiale vin salutas. jeanmartignon@minitel.net ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 462 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 2747 invoked by uid 7770); 29 May 1999 13:21:35 -0000 Received: from smtp05.wxs.nl (195.121.6.57) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 29 May 1999 13:21:35 -0000 Received: from pc ([195.121.208.6]) by smtp05.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with SMTP id AAA3287 for ; Sat, 29 May 1999 15:21:33 +0200 Message-ID: <000901bea9d5$ea118ee0$06d079c3@pc> From: "Eric Dickens" To: "idolisto" Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 15:19:40 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Subject: [ido] diglosio, diglosio, diglosio Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit DIGLOSIO 29 mayo 1999 Kara amiki, Me trovis expliko por la termino "diglosio": L'expliko trovesis en "A Dictionary of Stylistics", Katie Wales, Longman, London, 1995. Diglossia A term coined by Ferguson ("Diglossia", 1959) to refer to a bidialectal or multi-dialectal situation in certain speech communities. Typically, certain distinct social functions are regarded as appropriate for different dialects (...) and have become standardised, grouped largely under formal, or high, and informal, or low. (...) e.g. in Egypt, classical Arabic and Egyptian colloquial Arabic; in Switzerland, High German and Swiss-German. (...) The term has been extended to cover comparable functional variation between languages in a community: e.g. English and Hawaiian pidgin; Spanish and Guarani in Paraguay. In medieval Europe what can be seen as cultural diglossia existed: Latin used for education, religious and serious literature; the vernaculars for oral and popular literature and everyday speech. Me esperas, ke ica expliko es klara. Existas anke "bilingualismo" e "bidialektismo". Saluti, Eric Dickens ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 463 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 21407 invoked by uid 7770); 29 May 1999 16:52:08 -0000 Received: from mout1.01019freenet.de (62.104.201.3) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 29 May 1999 16:52:08 -0000 Received: from [62.104.201.2] (helo=mx1.01019freenet.de) by mout1.01019freenet.de with esmtp (Exim 3.00 #2) id 10nmL9-0000de-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Sat, 29 May 1999 18:52:07 +0200 Received: from [212.81.175.243] (helo=www) by mx1.01019freenet.de with smtp (Exim 3.00 #2) id 10nmL0-0006QP-01 for idolisto@egroups.com; Sat, 29 May 1999 18:51:58 +0200 Message-ID: <002101bea9f3$876f06a0$f3af51d4@fen.baynet.de> From: "Frank Kasper" To: "Idolisto (Mesaji)" Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 17:23:59 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Subject: [ido] Re: Komento da Alfred Neussner Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0005_01BEA9F8.0A217160" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01BEA9F8.0A2177160 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" content-transfer-encoding: 7bit content-type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Kara amiki! Me min multe pensis al uzo di nova formi e vorti (qui probable esas superflua} kam a la vere deskorekta uzo di ]a ja longe existanta reguli e vorti. Me timas, ke irgu foye dicos. ke se multi uzas kom komparativo "same quale" vice "same kam", lore ica formo future devos esar korekta. Se to esos la konsidero di la linguo-developo, lore to esus la destrukto di Ido. La danjero, qua venas de la reformemi, ne esas la reformeri ipsa, ma ke existas homi, qui imitas omna stultaji linguala, qui aparas ed impresas kom "moderna". To ne esas specale Idala afero, ma same konstatebla en Germana e certe anke en Franca, quon s-do Martignon certe povos atestar, Kordiala saluti! Alfred Neussner alfred.neussner@idolinguo.de Ica mesajo transsendeskis ad Idolisto da Frank Kasper frank.kasper@01019freenet.de ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01BEA9F8.0A2177160-- From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 464 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 17190 invoked by uid 7770); 29 May 1999 18:04:19 -0000 Received: from mail1.gte.net (207.115.153.32) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 29 May 1999 18:04:19 -0000 Received: from someone (1Cust82.tnt7.dfw5.da.uu.net [153.36.205.82]) by mail1.gte.net with ESMTP for ; id NAA04329 Sat, 29 May 1999 13:04:18 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <000701bea9fd$5ecf0c40$52cd2499@someone> Reply-To: "Kurt Hager" From: "Kurt Hager" To: Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 13:01:59 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3115.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Subject: [ido] Fine me trovis vi. Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0004_01BEA9D3.6FF3E100" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BEA9D3.6FF3EE100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Kara Amiki: Me kredis longe ke la mondo bezonas linguo logika. Ido sembla= s esar la maxim bona selekto. Me nur komencis lernar la linguo Ido ma me= esas tre felica ol trovar. Me e kin altra en Texas esperas lernar ca ling= uo internaciona. Kun via helpo, me, e mea amiki hike, esos balde idisti. = = Kordiale, = Kurt Erich Hager = galahad1@gte.net -----------------------= -------------------------------------------------- eGroups.com home: http:/= /www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group = communications ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BEA9D3.6FF3EE100 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable content-type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1"
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= ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BEA9D3.6FF3EE100-- From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 465 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 23359 invoked by uid 7770); 30 May 1999 07:27:56 -0000 Received: from www.minitel.net (HELO gmailint2.globalmail.net) (193.252.91.20) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 30 May 1999 07:27:56 -0000 Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 09:27:56 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199905300727.JAA08445@gmailint2.globalmail.net> From: jeanmartignon@minitel.net (JEAN MARTIGNON) Reply-To: jeanmartignon@minitel.net To: idolisto@egroups.com (IDOLISTO) MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] Buddhismo Zen Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Kara cibernauti, Nunatempe esas serio de televizionala sendi pri la buddhismo zen enduktata en Europa (Francia) da mastro Taishen Daishimaru qua esis Japona monako. La buddhismo zen semblas bone radikifar en Ocidento, nam ol esas racionoza e sobra. La perspektivi di developo di ca formo di buddhismo esas bona. La adepti di zen povus bezonar ed utiligar nia kara Idolinguo. Me renuncis pri propagado che la Tibetana buddhisti, nam ica buddhisti volas promocar la Tibetana linguo che omna Ocidentani qui interesesas pri lia formo di buddhismo !!! Kande onu pensas ke ica linguo ne esas Indo-Europana e ke ni mustas lernar omna vorti ed ultre to la skribomaniero, quankam tre bela, esas tre diferanta de la nia; ito esas vera folajo. E mem plu utopial kam esus la adopto di Ido. Mikra chanco existas por ni che la buddhismo zen, ni devas probar ol. Kordiale e ciberspacale vin salutas. jeanmartignon@minitel.net ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 466 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 25292 invoked by uid 7770); 30 May 1999 07:37:26 -0000 Received: from law-f131.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (209.185.131.194) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 30 May 1999 07:37:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 79657 invoked by uid 0); 30 May 1999 07:37:23 -0000 Message-ID: <19990530073723.79656.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 200.44.2.104 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sun, 30 May 1999 00:37:22 PDT From: "Daniel Alegrett" To: idolisto@egroups.com Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 03:37:22 VET Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] No Subject Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hola! Hello! Saluton! Soy Daniel Alegrett, de 22 anos, de Caracas, Venezuela. Recientemente aprendi el Esperanto, pero no quede totalmente satisfecho con la lengua (aunque seguire siendo un esperantista activo). Por ello les escribo. He sabido de las criticas y reformas del Ido al Esperanto, y debo decir que se han corregido en el Ido muchisimas de las cosas que creo son complicaciones innecesarias (e incluso gratuitas) del Esperanto, tanto gramatical como foneticamente. I am Daniel Alegrett, a 22 years old Venezuelan from Caracas. I recently learned Esperanto, but this language didn't satisfy me completely (although I'll continue to be an active Esperantist). Having heard just a few weeks ago about Ido, I saw some of the critiques and reforms of your language over Esperanto, and I must agree completely with you, since you fixed much of the faults I saw in Esperanto. Mi estas Daniel Alegrett, 22-jara venezuelano el Karakaso. Mi facile lernis Esperanton antaux du monatoj, sed mi vidis ke Esperanto ne tute placxas al mi, kvankam mi ankoraux estos aktiva esperantisto. Mi sciis pri Ido antaux tre malmultaj semajnoj, kaj mi sciis pri viaj korektadoj al Esperanto. Mi trovis vin korektajn. Because my internet access is mostly limited to e-mail, I have not been able to see your webpages, and so, I haven't learned (I have just seen it at a glance, and certainly liked it) Ido's grammar nor its vocabulary. I believe it'll be very easy to learn (a merit of Ido), but I'll have to do it through observation: I'll closely watch and read your letters at idolist@egroups.com and I hope (and I'm sure my hopes will be fullfilled) I'll find it a most educative and inspiring experience. So, just let me sit back and enjoy your conversations. And I hope to not be just a stranger soon! ______________________________________________________ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 467 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 14908 invoked by uid 7770); 30 May 1999 15:13:29 -0000 Received: from gilliam.vip.uk.com (194.176.218.1) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 30 May 1999 15:13:29 -0000 Received: from default (VIP-202-132.vip.uk.com [194.176.202.132]) by gilliam.vip.uk.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA00404 for ; Sun, 30 May 1999 16:13:22 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <000001beaaad$cf663a40$84cab0c2@default> From: "wood" To: Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 15:50:17 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Subject: [ido] Ido Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0004_01BEAAB4.1D7821C0" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BEAAB4.1D78221C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Kar amiki L'Australiani nul-tempe uzas un silabo plu kam li bezonas uzar e = omna kurtiguro finas ye vokal-sono. Forsan la Romana lingui havas la korek= ta ideo e la vokalo es la naturala vort-finalo? (Lone Traveller da Anne Mus= toe). Amikala saluti Tom Wood http://www.fortunecity.com/victorian/bronte/2= 15/index.html ---------------------------------------------------------= --------------- eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto ht= tp://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BEAAB4.1D78221C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable content-type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1"
Kar amiki
L'Australiani nul-tempe uzas un silabo plu kam li b= ezonas uzar e omna kurtiguro finas ye vokal-sono.  Forsan la Romana l= ingui havas la korekta ideo e la vokalo es la naturala vort-finalo? (Lone = Traveller da Anne Mustoe).
Amikala saluti
Tom Wood
 
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------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BEAAB4.1D78221C0-- From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 468 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 32456 invoked by uid 7770); 30 May 1999 19:45:31 -0000 Received: from ncc3.infomail.es (HELO infomail.es) (194.224.53.142) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 30 May 1999 19:45:31 -0000 Received: from 206217.rad.bbv.es ([195.53.206.217]) by infomail.es (Tid InfoMail Exchanger v2.20) with SMTP id #928093462.259800001; Sun, 30 May 1999 21:44:22 +0200 From: xavo@bbvnet.com To: idolisto@egroups.com Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 19:46:34 GMT Reply-To: xavo@bbvnet.com Message-ID: <37518e55.53433@mail.infomail.es> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.01/32.397 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Infomail-Id: 928093462.657C010A81106E.13983 Subject: [ido] UTL Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Saluti kara amiki, Me volas prezenti a vi la projekto quan me esas develo= pante. Ol temas pri ne-ambigua linguo, qua onu povos uzar por produktar plu= ra versioni (en plura lingui) de un texto skribita en UTL (Universal Transl= ation Language), * per mashinala traduko * . Naturala lingui (ed desfortun= oze anke Ido ed Esperanto), pro lia ambiguesaji, ne povas esar mashinale tr= adukata ad altra lingui *sen-erore*. Ma to povas esar diferanta se la "font= o-linguo" esas preparita por esar mashinale tradukata. Tala esas la skopo d= e UTL: esar uzata da irga homo od publikista kompanio por obtenar multa div= ers-lingua versioni de un nura texto, kun (preske) nula homala post-edito. = Me esas bazijinta UTL sur Eo&Ido, ma ol ne skopas esar "reformo" di oli, m= a diferanta linguo qua (por praktikala razoni) profitas de la avanzi atinga= ta en la kampo de artefarita lingui obtenita de amba Idista ed Esperantista= movadi. Omna li (E-isti ed Idisti) povos joyar la teknika avantaji de la n= ova linguo se la projekto sukcesas. Quale unesma skizo de la linguo me poza= s hike artiklo quan me skribis (en la angla) pri UTL. [begin] I'm develop= ing a logical language (that is, an unambiguous, full-expressive one) which= relies on western world vocabulary and syntactics. To make it, I'm taking = advantage of Esperanto/Ido grammar and lexicon. Something of this was attem= pted on the DLT project, but they were too reluctant to make changes in Eo,= perhaps to not be seen as reformists by their colleagues or to keep close = to what was aimed with DLT Eo, which was to be a machine-translation-orient= ed version of Esperanto. Well, this is not what my project attempts to be, = but rather a freely-made new language heavily influenced by Esperanto and I= do. This is important to get rid of the features which make those languages= (though better than NLs) unsuitable for MT. The aim of this project is th= erefore to make an auxiliary language with the next characteristics: 1. Be= ing unambiguous (or _unambiguous enough_), which make it suitable for good = quality machine translation (from it) and other computational issues, and f= or scientific, philosophical and linguistical purposes. 2. Being easy to = learn.In some aspects, it will be easier than Eo/Ido, as it's more consiste= nt and regular. On others, it'll be harder, for the requirements of unambig= uity and meaning-preciseness. 3. Other minor aspects taken into account o= n language design are being aesthetically pleasant for most people, and bei= ng concise. A text on this language will almost ever be somewhat shorter th= an the English or Esperanto version. To give you an idea of how the langua= ge is, I'll give you first some basic details of its grammar and then I'll = show to you its direct-derivation table. The alphabet and phonetics of the= language is that of Ido. Accented letters are therefore avoided. 95 to 9= 9 per cent of vocabulary is directly imported from Eo and Ido. Part-of-spe= ech endings are -o (noun) -e (plural noun) -a (adj) and -am (adv). Verbs w= ork as in Esperanto: -i -as -is -os -us -u -ant- -int- -ont-, -at- -it- -o= t- forms are not used. Active participle is derived directly from verb (e.g= . reganta homo is said rega homo). Passive verb is made by the suffix -at-.= Passive participle is (as you may guess) derived directly from the passive= verb (eg. regati -> regata). This gets rid of Eo/Ido problems with -ita -a= ta. To specify time on participles (and on infinitives) one adds the endin= g to the conjugated form. For example: vidos (will see) -> vidosa (that wil= l see) vidatis (was seen) -> vidatisa (that was seen) Well, and now the di= rect derivation table. Firstly, let me say that (as in Eo/Ido) every stem h= as an implicit PoS function, though the system is deviced in a way you neve= r need to know it to deduct the meaning of a given word. As you'll see, I'v= e used a two-way system of direct derivation. One is substitutive (as usual= ), and the other is a new type of direct derivation which I call agglutinat= ive, and it's used from nouns and verbs. >From an adjectival word (-a): -o = : being (person/thing) that is -a -i: to be -a >From a verbal word (-i): -o= : being which -i -a: which -i -io: action of -i >From a nominal word (-o):= -i: to be -o or practise the function of -o -a: which is -o or practises t= he function of -o -oa: which pertains to -o (this is not definitive though= , since I'm studying the possibility of using an alternative adjectival end= ing -oy -ey for possesives, and let -oa -ea for other adjectival purposes) = I recommend you to apply real words to this system to better understand ho= w it works; e.g. take "bona" (good) or "broso" (brush) and take from the ta= ble the meanings of their derivates. As you see, direct derivation is full= y directional, and consistent. Btw, it gets rid of the problems with "-o / = -ilo" and "-i / -agi". This scheme is also useful to eliminate the transit= ive/intransitive problem which arises with some verbs. This is cause this v= erbs are in UTL considered as stative, i.e., they mean "being -a". For exam= ple, morta: death > morti: being death - transitive is made with -ig- (ma= ke someone to be -a): mortigi: to kill - intransitive is made with -ij- (ge= t -a): mortiji: to die The same goes for other verbs on the like (droni, a= perti, dormi...), so you never wonder "is this verb transitive or instransi= tive?"; it's stative! You make it transitive or intranstive by -ig- and -ij= -, in a logical, regular and consistent way. There's more to say on the UT= L language, but it's still on development. [end] Bonvole savigez ol a me = se vu es interesata pri ca projekto. Saludos, Marcos -------------------= ------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: ht= tp://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying gr= oup communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 469 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 24582 invoked by uid 7770); 30 May 1999 20:41:11 -0000 Received: from www.minitel.net (HELO gmailint1.globalmail.net) (193.252.91.20) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 30 May 1999 20:41:11 -0000 Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 22:41:08 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199905302041.WAA29178@gmailint1.globalmail.net> From: jeanmartignon@minitel.net (JEAN MARTIGNON) Reply-To: jeanmartignon@minitel.net To: idolisto@egroups.com (IDOLISTO) MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] Projeti Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Kara cibernauti, La projeti por altra konstruktita lingui ne interesas me, nam ni ja havas maxim granda desfacilaji por difuzar Ido, do adoptar altra linguo qua havas nula sociala ed ideologial bazo esus por me folajo. Me opinionas anke ke la Angle-parolanti exajeras per skribar e prizentar texti en lia lingui hike. Me ipsa ne savas tre bone la Angla e ne komprenas omno en ol. Pluse se la Angla esas tante universala linguo lore Ido ja ne plus havas irga utileso. Ma me ne povas bone redaktar en la Angla e me ne komprenas olu tote bone. Quon dicus la altra Idisti se me prezentus parto de mea texti en la Franca ? Ido existas por ke singlu havez la sama yuri linguala e por ne privilejiizar aparta grupi linguala. Ecepte por Angle-parolanta novici qui kompreneble ne povas ja savar bone nia idiomo e demandas informi, la altra Angle-parolanti devus uzar nur Ido o renuncar pri sua expliki. Me propozas ke la Angla esez refuzata same kam la altra konstruktita lingui. Ne esas motivo ke patuazo (*) hike havez plu multa yuri kam la altra patuazi (*), ecepte ankorefoye por la novici qui volas informi e ne savas nia linguo sat bone por expresar exakte to quon li intencas dicar. Kordiale e ciberspacale vin salutas. jeanmartignon@minitel.net ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 470 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 10686 invoked by uid 7770); 31 May 1999 05:21:01 -0000 Received: from www.minitel.net (HELO gmailint2.globalmail.net) (193.252.91.20) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 31 May 1999 05:21:01 -0000 Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 07:21:01 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199905310521.HAA24128@gmailint2.globalmail.net> From: jeanmartignon@minitel.net (JEAN MARTIGNON) Reply-To: jeanmartignon@minitel.net To: idolisto@egroups.com (IDOLISTO) MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] Sturmi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Kara cibernauti, Hiere eventis terorigiva sturmo en Paris, e mem esis un mortinto. Me lojas en urbeto ye 30 kilometri de Paris cirkume, e me spektis nulo, nam ne esis sturmo che me. Ma icamatine me saveskis ke ne nur en Paris anke en urbo Minsk (chefurbo di Belarusia) eventis super-terorigiva sturmo e 54 yuni qui asistis "rock"-koncerto mortis pro la konsequi dil sturmo. Me esperas ke nia samideano Zmierc ne esas inter la viktimi. Kordiale e ciberspacale vin salutas. jeanmartignon@minitel.net ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 471 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 6561 invoked by uid 7770); 31 May 1999 06:40:37 -0000 Received: from mout0.01019freenet.de (194.97.109.116) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 31 May 1999 06:40:37 -0000 Received: from [62.104.201.2] (helo=mx1.01019freenet.de) by mout0.01019freenet.de with esmtp (Exim 3.00 #2) id 10oLkS-0008Jo-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Mon, 31 May 1999 08:40:36 +0200 Received: from [212.81.173.113] (helo=www) by mx1.01019freenet.de with smtp (Exim 3.00 #2) id 10oLk8-00067Z-01 for idolisto@egroups.com; Mon, 31 May 1999 08:40:16 +0200 Message-ID: <002101beab30$67fa7640$71ad51d4@fen.baynet.de> From: "Frank Kasper" To: "Idolisto (Mesaji)" Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 08:34:33 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Subject: [ido] Re: Saluti da James Chandler Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0016_01BEAB40.688732A0" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ------=_NextPart_000_0016_01BEAB40.6887332A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" content-transfer-encoding: 7bit content-type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Kara amiki! Me recevis letro da James Chandler, la kreinto di "Idolisto". Lu pregis me salutar omna membri dil "Idolisto" da lu e dezirar a vi omni maxim kordiala sucesi koncerne l'uzado di nia Ido-linguo partoprenonte en la diskuti. James intencas retrovenar a nia forumo tam balde kam posible, ma prezente ol regretinde ankore ne esas posibla. Lu anke volunte partoprenos nia cayara konfero en Neviges segun lua posiblesi. Kun la maxim kordiala ed amikala saluti a vi omni! Frank Kasper frank.kasper@01019freenet.de ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications ------=_NextPart_000_0016_01BEAB40.6887332A0-- From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 472 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 20675 invoked by uid 7770); 31 May 1999 07:15:46 -0000 Received: from smtp1.gte.net (207.115.153.30) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 31 May 1999 07:15:46 -0000 Received: from someone (1Cust57.tnt4.dfw5.da.uu.net [153.36.196.57]) by smtp1.gte.net with ESMTP for ; id CAA15742 Mon, 31 May 1999 02:15:45 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <000801beab35$18984000$39c42499@someone> Reply-To: "Kurt Hager" From: "Kurt Hager" To: Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 02:13:21 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3115.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Subject: [ido] Ni ne trovis la vorti korekta Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0005_01BEAB0B.27F7E520" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01BEAB0B.27F7EE520 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Kara amiki: Me e kin amiki praktikas lernar la linguo internaciona. Ni de= ziras tradukar artikli aden(?) la idolinguo ma ni ne trovas irgaloke la vor= ti pro "laser, radar, missile, fighter (jetplane), marshal, colonel, major,= lieutenant, sergeant, corporal (rank), private (rank), commander (naval ra= nk), ensign, senior, petty officer [posible oficireto?], frigate" o "genoci= de." Ka ulu savas la vorti korekta? Ube trovas on granda trezoro di nova = vorti? = Kordiale, = Kurt Hager = galahad1@gte.net = = = ------------------------------------------------------------------------ = eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.= com - Simplifying group communications ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01BEAB0B.27F7EE520 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable content-type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1"
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------=_NextPart_000_0005_01BEAB0B.27F7EE520-- From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 473 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 4578 invoked by uid 7770); 31 May 1999 09:19:28 -0000 Received: from lince.lander.es (195.76.46.35) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 31 May 1999 09:19:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 22216 invoked from network); 31 May 1999 09:19:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ppp-48-240.lander.es) (195.76.48.240) by lince.lander.es with SMTP; 31 May 1999 09:19:16 -0000 X-Sender: joser@lince.lander.es X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 To: idolisto@egroups.com From: "j.m.rodriguez" Subject: [ido] Mesajo da Daniel Alegrett Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kar Amiki: Me tradukos aden Ido la mesajo sendita en la lingui hispana, angla ed Esperantala ad Ido-listo de Daniel Alegrett ------------------------- Saluti! Me esas Daniel Alegrett, evanta 22 yari, me habitas en Karakas, Venezuela. Recente me lernis Esperanto, ma me ne esas tute satisfacata de ta linguo (quankam me sequos kom aktiv esperantisto). Pro to me skribas a Vi. Me saveskas pri la kritiki e reformi di Ido relate ad Esperanto, e me mustas dicar ke en la linguo Ido on korektis multa ek la aferi gramatikala e fonetikala qui en Esperanto esas ne-necesa (e mem superflua). Nam me hav la posibleso partoprenar en Interreto nur per e-letri, me ne povis videskar via pagini, e pro ico me ne lernis l'Idala gramatiko o la vortaro (me nur regardeskis oli). Me pensas ke es tre facila parlernar la linguo (quo ya es merito di linguo Ido). Me volunte lektadas via letri en idolisto@egroups.com e me esperas (e me savas ke mea esperi realigos su) ke to esos por me instruktiva ed edifikiva experienco. Nu, me sekvos juante via konversadi. E me esperas ke balde me ne esos stranjerulo che Vi. ----------------------- Me ya sendis al amiko Daniel la korespondala kurso editata de Hispana Ido Societo e me esperas ke il balde partoprenos ofte en idolisto. Omna Vi pov vidar ke l' idisti en la hispanlinguala landi augmentas, ka ne? Jose Maria Rodriguez Hernandez joser@lander.es ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 474 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 20214 invoked by uid 7770); 31 May 1999 11:40:26 -0000 Received: from mga2.primo.co.jp (210.145.40.130) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 31 May 1999 11:40:26 -0000 Received: from mga2.primo.co.jp (unverified [210.145.40.140]) by mga2.primo.co.jp (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Mon, 31 May 1999 20:44:09 +0900 Message-ID: From: "Bebson Y. TAKATA" To: "IDOLISTO" Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 20:28:10 +0900 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] Me ankore vivas sub ekonomiala desfacileso. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kande me lernis la Portugala, me ne studiis la gramatiko, nam me ja parolis la Hispana. Hazarde renkontrinte Ido, me ne serioze lernis la gramatiko, nam me ja konocis Esperanto. Generale me ne prizas studiar gramatiko. Ma en la voyajo me seiroze lekteskis KGD, quan me kelkatempe glitlektis, e felice trovis ke me tante misuzis Ido ke me ankore devas multege lernar. Exemple me miskomprenis ke 'lu' es nur por 'ilu' ed 'elu' e ne por 'olu'. Quale mala Idisto me esis! Ma me deziras uladie divenar kompetenta Idisto. Tamen por plebeyi, ordinara populi, qui antee ne lernis irga altra linguo, -me vere kredas-, la stranjera linguo od Ido esas tre desfacile lernebla. En Idolisto, preske omna bona Idisti lernis e konocas Esperanto, quo helpis ke li povez kaptar e manjar Ido sen multa laboro sudorifanta, ka ne? Do me esperas ke ni kune konstruktez bona lernolibri kun detaloza praktiki por komencanti di Ido por ke li facile povez lernar Ido per un od altra "Ido por Lernanti/???" de la libri quin ni prizentos en la InterReto. Pos 1 o 2 monati me ipsa sendos ad Idolisto la unesma specimeno sur qua onu povos bone adjuntar sua materii por ke ni facez plu bona lernolibro. Me ja facis kinimo de "Komputorala Vortaro", do onu bone vartez kelkatempe. Regretinde dum 1-2 monati me nur sporadike povos sendar letri ad Idolisto. xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Kara Sro Kurt HAGER: Plez* vartar la lernolibro probanta por Komencanti. xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx laser - lasero* / radar - radaro* / missile - misilo* / frigate - fregato fighter (jetplane) - yetbataliero* / marshal - marshalo / major - mayoro colonel - kolonelo / lieutenant - lietnanto / ensign - sublietnanto sergeant - serjento / corporal (rank) - korporalo / senior - senioro private (rank) - simpla soldato / commander (naval rank) - chefadmiralo petty officer [posible oficireto?] - oficiracho / genocide - gentocido ---------------------------------------------------------------- Adio! .....sincere via, B.Y.T. .....Idisto ed Idiotisto pro mea limitizita edukado ed anke Ido-Kavaliero kun abundanta hucpo* e numeroza erori xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Plez* indikar mea erori pri vorti, gramatiko, dicmaniero ec., nam me esas nura ne-edukito e devas lernar dum ke me vivas. Me sempre esperas, samideani, via amikeso por EXTRA prenar peno de via parto por instruktar me, qua durstas ye savo ulaspecala. Tamen en rara kazo kande me savas plu bone kam vi, me volunte transdonos mea humila savo a vi segun via bezoni. xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 475 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 7154 invoked by uid 7770); 31 May 1999 13:06:12 -0000 Received: from spartacus.a2000.nl (HELO smtp2.a2000.nl) (62.108.1.20) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 31 May 1999 13:06:12 -0000 Received: from node118d7.a2000.nl ([24.132.24.215] helo=default) by smtp2.a2000.nl with smtp (Exim 2.02 #4) id 10oRlc-0007MG-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Mon, 31 May 1999 15:06:12 +0200 Message-ID: <007c01beab67$3ff5b100$d7188418@default.a2000.nl> From: "Ido-Info" To: "idolisto" Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 15:12:34 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Subject: [ido] Joyo pro nov Idisti! Joyo pro nova vorti! Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kar amiki, Kurt Hager e la kin Texasani, Daniel Alegrett de Venezuela, esez bon-venanta che Idolisto! Me tre joyas lektir ke on deskovras Idolinguo en omna parti di la mondo ed es komplezanta uzar ol. La historio di Ido ye l' interreto ankore es yuna, ni, l' Idisti zeloze ed entuziasmante es pozanta Ido ye la reto. L' Idomovemento dum longa tempo esis tante mikra ke ne esis posibla editar nova moderna dicionarii, ma adminime l' adheranti qui restis kredanta ye Ido, esez tre dankata pro lia perseveremeso, nam sen li, forsan Ido esus parmortinta. Koncernante la nova vorti, es regulo en Ido ke on serchez en la tal-nomizita GAFHIR-lingui al equivalanti, por esar certa ke la radiko havez rikonocebleso tam granda kam posibla. Nu, ne omni posedas ampla dicionarii di omna la sis lingui por komparar la vorti, ma fortunoze existas Idolisto, kun membri en la sis linguoregioni bezonata. Se nova vorto ne es savata, probez ca listo por saveskar ol. Me ipsa es kompilanta listo de vorti (yes, yes, la "granda trezoro di nova vorti") qui es propozita ed uzita en la prezenta fonti Idala, se posible, kun lia GAFHIR-equivalanti. Me jus komencis, do esez kelke pacientoza. Ol anke esos enretigata. "Tomodachi no" (amiko) Bebson Y. Takata ja donis oli a vu, yen ti qui me trovis en la dicionarii English-Ido da Dyer e propra propozi. Asterisko es por indikar ke vorto ne es ofical o trovebla en dicionarii. Me nur donos ti qui es altra kam ti da Bebson Y. Takata. Cetere, ultre kelki, la maxim multi es trovebla en la dicionario English-Ido da Dyer. -radaro = radaro (sen asterisko, nam es vorto oficala) -missile = fuzeo, lansajo, projektilo; tamen: misilo* es vorto anke konocata en la Latina, Italiana e Hispana -fighter (jetplane) = kombat-aviono -private = (simpla) soldato (simpla ne es necesa) -petty officer = sub-oficiro (trovesas en English-Ido da Dyer) Saluti amikala, Hans St., Amsterdam sunoza ************************************************ Ido, linguo internaciona, absolute vizitez: http://members.tripod.com/~avancigado ************************************************ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 476 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 27457 invoked by uid 7770); 31 May 1999 14:35:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO epmsa001.ep.minsk.by) (194.226.122.227) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 31 May 1999 14:35:44 -0000 Received: by epmsa001.ep.minsk.by with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Mon, 31 May 1999 17:34:18 +0300 Message-ID: <8D76D48EDDD3D211AC3000A0C98212E703A7F1@epmsa001.ep.minsk.by> From: "Dmitri P. Laptsionak" To: 'IDOLISTO' Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 17:34:17 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Subject: [ido] Re: Sturmi Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1251" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Saluti pos-sturma Felicoze nur mea indolenteso savis me e mea spozino di vizito a la koncerto. Me saveskis pri detalaji de radio-advoco: "Esas terura hom-masakro che metro- stacio Niamiha. Omnu qua havas automobilo e povas arivar a la loko bonvolez helpar a mediki transportar vunditi a hospitali". Hodie matine per televiziono chef-policisto klarigis la afero: "Dum prezentado di 'rock'-grupo subite pluvegis kun fortega vento. Do omna askoltanti (cirkum 2500 homi) impetue kureskis a maxim proxima tekto - metro-stacio. Dum kurado eventis, ke mortis 54 homi e cirkum 200 esis vundita". Nun me ankore savas ke inter mortinta esas 42 yunini e 1 policisto. Do me esas vivanta, ma trista. Zmicier Lapcionak ------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 477 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 11833 invoked by uid 7770); 31 May 1999 17:01:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO epmsa001.ep.minsk.by) (194.226.122.227) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 31 May 1999 17:01:05 -0000 Received: by epmsa001.ep.minsk.by with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Mon, 31 May 1999 19:59:34 +0300 Message-ID: <8D76D48EDDD3D211AC3000A0C98212E703A7F2@epmsa001.ep.minsk.by> From: "Dmitri P. Laptsionak" To: 'IDOLISTO' Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 19:59:33 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Subject: [ido] Re: Me ankore vivas sub ekonomiala desfacileso. Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Saluto kara Bebson Y. TAKATA Mea rigardilo ne vidigas tota titolo di venanta letri, do me lektis la titolo di vua letro kom: "Me ankore vivas ..." To esas tre bona novajo e ol forte joyigis me. Omna ekonomiala desfacilesi esas nur provizora, ma la vivo esas eterna. Rivenez plu balde al nia listo, vu esas indijata. Zmicier LAPCIONAK ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 478 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 3830 invoked by uid 7770); 31 May 1999 18:46:49 -0000 Received: from www.minitel.net (HELO gmailint1.globalmail.net) (193.252.91.20) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 31 May 1999 18:46:49 -0000 Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 20:46:50 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199905311846.UAA09461@gmailint1.globalmail.net> From: jeanmartignon@minitel.net (JEAN MARTIGNON) Reply-To: jeanmartignon@minitel.net To: idolisto@egroups.com (IDOLISTO) MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] Des-sekureso en Francia Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Kara cibernauti, La des-sekureso divenas tante grava en mea desfortunoza lando ke la urbodomo di mea urbo Savigny sur Orge distributigis ad omna habitanti flugfolio qua raportas pri la voto dil urbala konsilantaro de propozo reaktar kontre la des-sekureso en nia urbo. La titulo di la flugfolio esas : LA DES-SEKURESO NE ESAS FATALA E LA MUNICIPO EXPRESAS SUA IRACEGO sequas la listo dil incidenti sempre plu grava qui eventas sempre plu multe. La strado-bubachi filii di enmigranti ne nur divenas sencese plu atakema, ma precipue li ne esas (nek lia genitori) punisata, li esas quik liberigata, se la policani kaptas li, da desestiminda e kriminoza judiciisti. La municipo sendis mesaji a la ministro pri interna aferi ed a la ministro pri judiciado. Savigny esas urbo same kam mult altra urbi en Francia. La des-sekureso hike ne esas plu grava kam en mult altra regioni di mea lando. Ma, ol esas ja terorigiva, la iracego qua invadas mea samlandani povus efektigar explozo de revolto en mea lando. Tre probable pos la milito en Yugoslavia, la nexta lando, ube ulo mala eventos en Europa, esos Francia. Me ne havas granda simpatio por la enmigranti, ma onu povas komprenar ke kande strado-bubachi povas sen punisesar incendiar post-oficeyi, ruptar la vetrini dil vendeyi, insultar ed atakar la pasanti (precipue se li esas Franci), li durigos la afero. La vera kulpozi esas la judiciisti qui impedas lia puniso e kreas intence tala situeso. La iraco kreskas, kreskas... La Franci esas populo kun febla karaktero, ma kande li divenas vere iracoza, la explozo esas subita e terorigiva. Quale sempre por homi qui havas febla karaktero. Ni havas guvernerio qua es quaze la enemiko di la propra populo ed esas simila a koloniala od okupadala guvernisti. Kordiale ma tristege vin salutas. jeanmartignon@minitel.net ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 479 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 16963 invoked by uid 7770); 31 May 1999 19:12:56 -0000 Received: from spartacus.a2000.nl (HELO smtp2.a2000.nl) (62.108.1.20) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 31 May 1999 19:12:56 -0000 Received: from node118d7.a2000.nl ([24.132.24.215] helo=default) by smtp2.a2000.nl with smtp (Exim 2.02 #4) id 10oXUO-0007D5-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Mon, 31 May 1999 21:12:48 +0200 Message-ID: <022b01beab9a$77ea2720$d7188418@default.a2000.nl> From: "Ido-Info" To: "idolisto" Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 21:19:13 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Subject: [ido] Francia Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kar amiko Jean Martignon, Vua guvernerio es kontra sua propra populo? Ka Francia ne es demokratio? Ka la Franci ipsa ne votis por ca guvernerio? O kad omna ta Franci qui votis la socialisti es stupida? Ton me absolute ne povas kredar, me tre regretas. Saluti amikala, Hans St. ************************************************ Ido, linguo internaciona, absolute vizitez: http://members.tripod.com/~avancigado ************************************************ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 480 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 29301 invoked by uid 7770); 31 May 1999 19:36:23 -0000 Received: from www.minitel.net (HELO gmailint2.globalmail.net) (193.252.91.20) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 31 May 1999 19:36:23 -0000 Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 21:36:23 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199905311936.VAA26758@gmailint2.globalmail.net> From: jeanmartignon@minitel.net (JEAN MARTIGNON) Reply-To: jeanmartignon@minitel.net (JEAN MARTIGNON) To: idolisto@egroups.com (IDOLISTO) MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] Re: [Fwd: [ Francia]] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: jeanmartignon@minitel.net (JEAN MARTIGNON) Reply-To: jeanmartignon@minitel.net Received: from by with HTTP; Mon, 31 May 1999 21:33:31 +0200 Message-Id: <19990531213331@minitel.net> To: Ido.Info@zap.A2000.nl Errors-To: jeanmartignon@minitel.net Subject: [Re: [ido] Francia] X-MinitelNet: LU MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Kar amiko, Francia absolute ne esas demokrata lando. Ne nur la guvernerio ne egardas la volo di la populo, ma dextra partisi infiltresas da socialisti sub falsa etiketo. Do, mem kande ni havas dextra (oficale) guvernerio la politiko restas sama. Pluse la partisis qui esas vere jenanta ne reprezentesas, dextra partiso kun 12 po cent de voti esas multe min multe reprezentata kam la komunisti kun 7 po cent de voti. Tre granda parto de la lojantaro ne plus votas, nam ol ne plus kredas ye la demokratio en Francia. Mem en 1997, la dextra partisi kune havis cirkum 60 po cent de la voti e 40 po cent esis por la sinistrani. Pro tote aparta tranchado elektalo ed aparti legi (ed anke pro la desuniono dil dextrani) la socialisti kaptis la povo. Pro ke vu savas ya la Franca, me sendos a vu la flugfolio. Ito ne esas inventajo da me, la flugfolio dal urbodomo existas vere. Me volas ke mea stranjera korespondanti informesas pri la pseudo-demokratio en Francia e la vera des-sekureso. Ante judikar mea vorti, vu devus vivar dum plura monati en Francia en la preurbi di granda urbi. Me envidias vua fortuno lojar en Nederlando qua esas certe multe plu libera e demokrata lando kam Francia. Hike le "mass-media" darfas nur expresar to quo esas "politically correct". La jurnali qui ne esas tala bankrotas, e la homi havas nula posibleso expresar sua vera opiniono. Nam, li povas subisar severa pekunio-puniso. Balde vu lektos la flugfolio. Kordiale e ciberspacale. jeanmartignon@minitel.net ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 481 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 14443 invoked by uid 7770); 31 May 1999 22:20:18 -0000 Received: from spartacus.a2000.nl (HELO smtp2.a2000.nl) (62.108.1.20) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 31 May 1999 22:20:18 -0000 Received: from node118d7.a2000.nl ([24.132.24.215] helo=default) by smtp2.a2000.nl with smtp (Exim 2.02 #4) id 10oaPp-00006A-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 00:20:17 +0200 Message-ID: <04c601beabb4$a7c633c0$d7188418@default.a2000.nl> From: "Ido-Info" To: "idolisto" Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 00:26:40 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Subject: [ido] flugofolio Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kar amiko Jean Martignon, Me es tre kurioza lektar la flugofolio. Vu es justa, se me lektas la mesaji vua, lore certe es fortuneso vivar en Nederlando. La kriminaji deskriptita da vu ne eventas hike. Forsan ulu ya es raptata de sua pekunio, o batata pro nula motivo, tamen me havas l' impreso ke hike ne es tante violentoza kam en Francia. Quo pleas rolo maxim granda hike, se koncernas violento, es l' alkoholo. Se on drinkas tro multa e ne plu povas kondutar su, lore eventas ke violento es uzata, tre regretinde. Recente es serio de violenteso pro l' alkoholo. Maxim konocata afero es la yunulo qua esis kikita (pedofrapita) a morto pro ke il dicis ulo pri violento uzita da quar yunuli parbatanta altra yunulo. La mortinto nur preteriris, vidis la violento e probis haltigar la quaropo per vorti. Li ne aceptis lua interveno e komencis kikar lu a morto. Ye la plaso dil ocido (quale es deskriptita l' ago), nun es plakato kun vorti memorigiva l' afero. La quaropo es arestita ed enkarcerigita. Cetere, la quaropo kulpanta es (blanka) Nederlandani. Ofte me marchas tra Amsterdam, anke tra parti konocata kom danjeroza. Ma me ne es timemo, me refuzas timar. En la quartero ube me vivas, 60% di la habitantaro es stranjera. Maxim multi es de Surinam, ex-kolonio Nederlandana, lore sequas la Marokani e Turki. Tamen, en ca multi-kulturala quartero, apene es violenteso. La habitantaro mixita vivas ensemble en paco. Saluti amikala, Hans Stuifbergen ************************************************ Ido, linguo internaciona, absolute vizitez: http://members.tripod.com/~avancigado ************************************************ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 482 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 9780 invoked by uid 7770); 1 Jun 1999 00:53:06 -0000 Received: from mout1.01019freenet.de (62.104.201.3) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 1 Jun 1999 00:53:06 -0000 Received: from [194.97.109.112] (helo=mx0.01019freenet.de) by mout1.01019freenet.de with esmtp (Exim 3.00 #2) id 10ocnh-0005gJ-00; Tue, 01 Jun 1999 02:53:05 +0200 Received: from [212.81.172.152] (helo=FrankKasper) by mx0.01019freenet.de with smtp (Exim 3.00 #2) id 10ocnW-0002Iw-00; Tue, 01 Jun 1999 02:52:55 +0200 Message-ID: <000601beabc9$26b7aba0$98ac51d4@FrankKasper> From: "Frank Kasper" To: "Idolisto (Mesaji)" Cc: "Manfred Magin" Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 02:47:20 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Subject: [ido] Ido-renkonteto en Nuernberg/Librolisto dil Germana Ido-Societo Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kara amiki! Me volas uzar l'okaziono dil tardnokta okupado per komputora aferi por informar vi relate la recenta Ido-renkontreto, quo eventis en Nuernberg. Ye la recenta venerdio me povis salutar nia Idolistolano Goncalo Neves en la fervoyala staciono de Nuernberg. Quankam lu nur apene parolas la Germana e me tote ne savas la Portugala linguo ni quik bonege interkomprenis amba parolinte nia kara linguo internaciona Ido. Pos komuna dejuno ni iris per autobuso a la proxima rura regiono de Nuernberg, ube ni experiencis agreablega duhora migrado tra la belega naturo durinte babilar per Ido. La vespero ni pasis en la proxima universitata e "Siemens"-urbo Erlangen. Ibe vartis ni kara amiko da me e membro dil Nuernberga Esperanto-grupo, qua akompanis ni a la konocata Erlangena urb-ferio sur la monto. Tale ni interbabilis Iden ed Esperanten dum la vespero. Omnakaze nultempe existis desfacilaji segun la interkompreno. Pro l'amaso di homi sur la festo ni regardis la festo de la cielo vehinte per giganta amuz-rotilo, qua transportis a ni a l'alteso de 55 metri sub l'urbo, ube ni havis belega regardo a l'urbo e la festo. Ye la fino dil vespero ni ankore babilis per Ido til la dua horo en mea lojeyo. En saturdio matine ni facis turo tra la bela urbo Nuernberg. Unesme ni promenis tra la distrikto nomizita pro la multa ponti ibe "Mikra Venecia" e por fine atingar la chefa merkado e regardar ibe la konocata "Kurado da viri", qua nur unfoye omnadie ye dimezo eventas sub la "Mulier-kirko". Pose ni partoprenis en urb-guidado per mikra vehiklo, ube ni demandis la guidad-texto en Esperanto, qua ni anke recevis. On montris a ni ankorfoye la "Mikra Venecia", l'anciena urbo e ni cirkumvehis la kastelo. Regretinde mea kara amiko pos komuna dejuno ya itere devis departar e tale ya finis belega e neobliviebla renkontro inter Idisti. Me ankorfoye kordialege dankas Goncalo, por ke lu venis a Nuernberg . Kompreneble ni anke uzis l'okaziono por babilar telefone kun plusa atingebla idisti. Tale Goncalo povis kontaktar telefone kun Jean Martignon, Alfred Neussner e fine ankore kun la prezidanto dil ULI Guenter Anton. Me volunte kurajigus anke altri aranjar renkontreti kun idisti por anke praktikar nia linguo parolante. Skribez ad idisti en urbi, qui vi volunte vizitus ed aranjez renkontreti ibe. Adminime voluntez anuncar via partopreno en la cayara Ido-renkontro en Wuppertal-Neviges (Germania) por experiencar la bonega relati inter l'idisti!! Mealatere me ya esas preparante plusa Ido-renkontreto ankore ante la konfero en Neviges. Fine me ankore volas mencionar la librolisto dil Germana Ido-Societo. Quale me ya mencionis ante kelka semani arivis libri de Suedia. Pro to la stoko dil Germana Ido-Societo tote chanjeskis. Ante kelka dii me recevis l'aktuala listo da sioro Alfred Neussner, qua esas skribita tote en Ido. Me devas chanjar preske omno sur mea interret-pagino http://www.online.de/home/Ido-Germania/lit1.htm quo bezonos longa tempo. Dum la recenta libera dii me nur sucesis enkomputorigar kin de 13 pagini en formato A5. Me pozis ol a la tereno http://www.online.de/home/Ido-Germania/lit.htm e la neaktualizita parto dil librolisto , qua espereble konstante diminuteskos, restas sur l'altra tereno "lit1.htm". L'anciena pagino "lit.htm" esis por novkomencanti. Me versimile movos ol ad altra tereno. Me tre esperas, ke me fine interesigos Germaniani por regardar la Biblioteko dil Germana Ido-Societo per mea laboro, nam Alfred Neussner nur kreis la listo per Ido e me devas tradukar omnbo aden la Germana linguo. Do, me nun volas finar mea longa mesajo. Kun la maxim kordiala saluti a vi omni! Frank Kasper ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 483 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 5314 invoked by uid 7770); 1 Jun 1999 04:48:58 -0000 Received: from mga2.primo.co.jp (210.145.40.130) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 1 Jun 1999 04:48:58 -0000 Received: from mga2.primo.co.jp (unverified [210.145.40.140]) by mga2.primo.co.jp (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Tue, 01 Jun 1999 13:52:30 +0900 Message-ID: From: "Bebson Y. TAKATA" To: "IDOLISTO" Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 13:30:43 +0900 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] Me vivas nam me vivigesas. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Kara Sri Cibernauti:#1 Generalajo #2 Linguo #3 Politiko #4 Religio ******************************************************************************* Kara Sro Kurt HAGER:#2 Vu sempre povas multe fidar a Sro Hans STUIFBERGEN. ******************************************************************************* Sro Hans STUIFBERGEN es mea unesma instruktisto di Ido e savas plu bone kam me. Pardonez me pri ke me ulatempe per hucpo*(chutzpa) instruktas altri per erori. Me pruntis vorti kun asteriski de Esperanto, exemple: misilo*, lasero*. E "petty officer" es komprenende "suboficiro", ma "oficiracho" esas mea joko e la vorto quale suboficiri sentas pri su ipsa, ka ne anke en USA? (^_^;) ******************************************************************************* Beste vriend Sro Hans STUIFBERGEN:#2 Danko pro vua koretiguri. ******************************************************************************* Anke me vartas vua "granda trezoro di nova vorti" dum ke me kolektadas materii por l'unesma bazo di futural 'komptorala vortari'. Anke vu esez pacientoza! ******************************************************************************* Kara Sro Dmitri P. LAPTSIONAK:#1,2 Multa danko pro vua komenturo pri Idiotisto. ******************************************************************************* Anke me esas trista pri la morti di yunini e policisto. Kontree ni hike vivanta sempre devus irge kontributar a la mondo, nam la universo nun vivigas ni. - Yes, me korektigas kelka vorti por vu. -------------------------------------- savis uli De vizito a la koncerto. // bonvolez -> voluntez, plez* Dum prezentado di 'rock'-grupo subite pluvegis -> En prezentado ... askoltanti impetuOZe kureskis ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Yen esas mea unesma probo tradukar interesanta rankonto aden Ido. Me ne savas multa vorti, do me koaktesis uzar le angla. Bonvolez korektigar erori e plenigar mankanta vorti. -> Voluntez, plez* LIBERESO : Viola Marioni (Mexika) - A: Vu esas libera. - B: Danko, sioro. - A: Vu esas libera. - B: Danko, sioro. - A: Vu esas absolute libera e povas irar adube�vu volas e dicar irgo quon vu volas. - B: Granda danko, sioro. - A: Pro quo ya vu ne dicas irgo quon vu volas? - B: Me ja dicis. - A: Quon vu dicis? Kande? Me ankore audis nulo. - B: Me dicis "Granda danko". - A: Ma poke. Vu povas irar adube vu volas, dansetante�e saltante pro la joyo ke vu esas absolute�libera e povas dicar irgo quon vu volas. - B: Do me dansetas. - A: Vu basnivele dansetas. Vu havas plena yuro alte�saltadar sur un pedo, por ke omni de fore povez�vidar ke nulu impedas a vu dansetar pro joyo. Yen tale.... Nun ja plu bone. - B: Plez* dicar, sioro, ka me darfas dum poka tempo�cesar ica joyigiva dansado e pazeskar? Ja me poke�anheleskas. - A: Vartez dum minuto. Me mustas lektar en la instrucioni. �Yen, komento ad artiklo 6: "De juenda saltado onu�darfas liberigar personi sufranta de pose-restanta fenomeni�da poliomielito* en yunevo". - B: Granda danko, sioro. Me adminime rirespiras... - A: Ne ireskez. Tu ankore ne montris atest[il]o�pri sufrita poliomielito*. - B: Pardonez, sioro, me ne savas qua vu esas ... - A: Me esas instruktisto pri LERNIGADO a populo quale uzar senlimita libereso. - B: Danko, granda danko. E dicez, sioro instruktisto�pri LERNIGADO (koaktanta) di libereso, ka me darfas ... - A: (Tu) ne darfas. Ne distraktesez. Saltadez pro joyo da libereso. ��Plu alte, plu alte, plu saltante ... Zmicier Lapcionak Ka me korektigis vu suficante bone? Lernez Ido plu diligente, plu diligente... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Adio! .....sincere via, B.Y.T. .....Idisto ed Idiotisto pro mea limitizita edukado ed anke Ido-Kavaliero kun abundanta hucpo* e numeroza erori ******************************************************************************* Plez* indikar mea erori pri vorti, gramatiko, dicmaniero ec., nam me esas nura ne-edukito e devas lernar dum ke me vivas. Me sempre esperas, samideani, via amikeso por EXTRA prenar peno de via parto por instruktar me, qua durstas ye savo ulaspecala. "Do me PREGAS IDOLani donacar via amikeso, pri qua me volas QUESTIONAR vi ed anke quan me kordiale DEMANDAS de vi." Tamen en rara kazo kande me savas plu bone kam vi, me volunte transdonos mea humila savo a vi segun via bezoni. ******************************************************************************* ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 484 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 17276 invoked by uid 7770); 1 Jun 1999 07:45:09 -0000 Received: from spartacus.a2000.nl (HELO smtp2.a2000.nl) (62.108.1.20) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 1 Jun 1999 07:45:09 -0000 Received: from node118d7.a2000.nl ([24.132.24.215] helo=default) by smtp2.a2000.nl with smtp (Exim 2.02 #4) id 10ojET-0006uh-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 09:45:09 +0200 Message-ID: <001901beac03$9230bea0$d7188418@default.a2000.nl> From: "Ido-Info" To: "idolisto" Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 09:51:34 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Subject: [ido] Frankismo, Minsk Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Frank, ka tu skribas Esperanto od Ido? De la texto me certe povis vidar ke tu uzis la tarda-noktala okupado por komputoral aferi. Ma me joyas ke la renkontreto inter tu e Gon�alo Neves esis suceso. Tu es justa, esus rekomendinda ke l' Idisti interrenkontras, ma regretinde por multi mankas la pekunio. Precipue ti qui vivas en lontana regioni. Tomodachi no Bebson Y. Takata, Yen vu itere es. Tre bon afero. Me tre bone recevis vua kuverto plena, danko. E che l' Idolisto, danko pro vua afabla vorti. Me nur povas dicar ke existas kazi ube la "maestro" es preterirata da sua lernanto. Tala kazo es la vua. Bone, forsan eroreto hik od ibe, ma tin anke me facas. Gramatikale vu es tam bona, se ne plu bona, kam me ;-) Cetere, quale dicar en la Japoniana: bone, por exemplo en la frazo: Ohayo gozaimas, Ogenki des ka? --- Genki des, arigato --- (tre) bone. (konsiderez 'bone' kom interjeciono, por finar la konverseto, od aprobar l' afero, frazo, opiniono, edc.). Anke me deziras savar 'bela'. Ulu indikis mea kapratra barbeto e dicis ulo, me ne savas quo. Me nur volis questionar: ka bela? od: bela, ka ne? Hiere me spektis la telenovaji e vidis la hororigiva acidenti en Minsk. Me tre joyas ke Zmicier e spozino ne livis la domo, ma es trista ke (yuna) homi mortis. Ofte on audas pri ti qui faliis treno, aviono, autobuso edc., qua pose kolizionas ed efektigas mortinti. Semblas ke dum la tota yaro acidenti e katastrofi grava eventas, ke oli divenas normala, tante multe oli eventas. La tifoni en Oklahoma e Kansas, USA, la granda pluvegi en Azia ed estal Europa, metropolitanala katastrofo en Minsk, edc. E pluse, la militi omnube en la mondo. On apene kredas ke la populizo di la mondo kreskas, ka ne? Saluti amikala, Hans St. ************************************************ Ido, linguo internaciona, absolute vizitez: http://members.tripod.com/~avancigado ************************************************ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 485 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 20084 invoked by uid 7770); 1 Jun 1999 08:58:39 -0000 Received: from smtp2.gte.net (207.115.153.31) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 1 Jun 1999 08:58:39 -0000 Received: from someone (1Cust17.tnt2.dfw5.da.uu.net [153.36.185.17]) by smtp2.gte.net with ESMTP for ; id DAA19537 Tue, 1 Jun 1999 03:58:37 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <003701beac0c$9d685cc0$11b92499@someone> Reply-To: "Kurt Hager" From: "Kurt Hager" To: Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 03:56:13 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3115.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Subject: [ido] Nia nova amiki transmari Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0034_01BEABE2.B175D280" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ------=_NextPart_000_0034_01BEABE2.B175DD280 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Saluto kara amiki: Ni nova idisti en nordala Texas dankas nia nova amiki t= ransmari (Takata e Stuifbergen) pro doninta ni helpo kun nia traduki. Ni d= eskovris ni ne savas multa vorti kande ni komencis tradukar la novaji aden= Idolinguo. Ni esforcos havar pacienteso. Ica esas necesa absorbar nova l= inguo ed ola gramatiko. = Kordiale, = Kurt Erich Hager = galahad1@gte.net -------------= ------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com ho= me: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplify= ing group communications ------=_NextPart_000_0034_01BEABE2.B175DD280 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable content-type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1"
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------=_NextPart_000_0034_01BEABE2.B175DD280-- From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 486 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 31754 invoked by uid 7770); 1 Jun 1999 09:20:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO epmsa001.ep.minsk.by) (194.226.122.227) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 1 Jun 1999 09:20:52 -0000 Received: by epmsa001.ep.minsk.by with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 12:19:17 +0300 Message-ID: <8D76D48EDDD3D211AC3000A0C98212E703A7F4@epmsa001.ep.minsk.by> From: "Dmitri P. Laptsionak" To: 'IDOLISTO' Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 12:19:15 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Subject: [ido] Re: Nia nova amiki transmari Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1251" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Saluto transoceana Tre agreable saveskar pri nova membri en nia listo e movemento. Yen esas adreso en Internet ube vi povas trovar ula informo pri Ido: http://yi.com/home/ChandlerJames/ De ibe me prenis gramatiki e vortari per qua me lernis (-as, -os). Existas anke multa altra pagini pri Ido. Do quale skribas Hans St. - "Absolute vizitez!" Zmicier Lapcionak ------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 487 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 14838 invoked by uid 7770); 1 Jun 1999 12:37:57 -0000 Received: from mout0.01019freenet.de (194.97.109.116) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 1 Jun 1999 12:37:57 -0000 Received: from [62.104.201.2] (helo=mx1.01019freenet.de) by mout0.01019freenet.de with esmtp (Exim 3.00 #2) id 10onnk-0003sS-00; Tue, 01 Jun 1999 14:37:52 +0200 Received: from [212.81.171.83] (helo=www) by mx1.01019freenet.de with smtp (Exim 3.00 #2) id 10onnc-0007q8-01; Tue, 01 Jun 1999 14:37:44 +0200 Message-ID: <001301beac2b$816c9260$53ab51d4@fen.baynet.de> From: "Frank Kasper" To: , References: <37518e55.53433@mail.infomail.es> Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 14:19:37 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Subject: [ido] Re: UTL Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kara amiko Marcos! Kun granda surprizo me lektis pri vua projeto. Me savas, ke ya existas test-projeto di UTL-linguo, quo nek bazintesas sur Ido e nek sur Esperanto. Pro to l'Idistaro devez salutar vua projeto, quan me volas facar per ica letro. Se vua projeto fine vinkos lore omna uzanti dil dijitala UTL-linguo automate saveskos relate l'existo di Ido kam linguo por la neelektrona interrelati inter la homi di diversa landi. Do, me gratulas a vu pro vua ideo e tote sustenas vua projeto. Me volunte uldie recevos da vu l'interret-adreso, de ube me povos recevar e pose instalar vua UTL-linguo en mea komputoro. Pro la reago da Jean Martignon me forsan ankorfoye kurte devus expozar la senco dil UTL-linguo. La UTL-linguo tote ne esas vera linguo, quan on povas parolar, ma ol esas pura elektrona linguo. La senco esas, ke on pozas pagini aden l'interreto skribita en sua matrolinguo od en linguo auxiliara, quale exemple en Ido. Se nun exemple habitanto di Chinia trovas mea Ido-pagini e komence ne povos lektar ol, lore lu devez startar la "UTL-linguo"-programo instalita antee en lua komputilo ed ol automate montros a lu la texto en la Chinia linguo. Quale Marcos ya mencionis, la ya existanta projeti di "UTL-linguo" ne egardas auxiliara lingui e konseque la texti skribita en Ido ne esus lektebla por Chiniani, qui ne savas Ido, se un di ta projeti fine vinkos ed aceptesos kam oficiala "UTL-linguo" por la komputora interrelati. Lore certe konseque anke la chanci dil difuzado di Ido ed Esperanto mem per l'elektrona moyeni diminuteskus. Do, kara amiki, voluntez sustenar la projeto da nia samideano Marcos! Kun la maxim kordiala ed amikala saluti a vi omni! Frank Kasper frank.kasper@01019freenet.de ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 488 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 31227 invoked by uid 7770); 1 Jun 1999 13:40:00 -0000 Received: from spartacus.a2000.nl (HELO smtp2.a2000.nl) (62.108.1.20) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 1 Jun 1999 13:40:00 -0000 Received: from node118d7.a2000.nl ([24.132.24.215] helo=default) by smtp2.a2000.nl with smtp (Exim 2.02 #4) id 10ools-0003Fu-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 15:40:00 +0200 Message-ID: <002701beac35$25d96180$d7188418@default.a2000.nl> From: "Ido-Info" To: "idolisto" Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 15:46:26 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Subject: [ido] UTL Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kar amiki, Interesanta ed utila certe es, l' UTL (di qua es l' abreviuro, Universala Traduko-Linguo?). Ke nula texto Idala es tradukata per l' UTL ne es vera. Me konstatis ke la serchili di AltaVista 'pensas' ke mea texti en Ido es texti en l' Italiana. Do, la tradukili tradukas la texto quale se es Italiana e to donas remarkinda, ma stranja e drola rezulti. Vi ipsa probez: serchez per AltaVista: kordiolando, od: komenius ido, ed imperez tradukar la texti. Lektez e ridez! Saluti amikala, Hans St. ************************************************ Ido, linguo internaciona, absolute vizitez: http://members.tripod.com/~avancigado ************************************************ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 489 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 6789 invoked by uid 7770); 1 Jun 1999 17:30:12 -0000 Received: from www.minitel.net (HELO gmailint1.globalmail.net) (193.252.91.20) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 1 Jun 1999 17:30:12 -0000 Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 19:30:10 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199906011730.TAA25113@gmailint1.globalmail.net> From: jeanmartignon@minitel.net (JEAN MARTIGNON) Reply-To: jeanmartignon@minitel.net To: idolisto@egroups.com (IDOLISTO) MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] Psikoso Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Kara cibernauti, Nun dominaceskas psikosos en mea lando pro la venenigita hani di Belgia. Ica animali venenigesis per farini polutata per dioxido. Pos la skandalo dil bovo-karno e nun la katastrofo di la hani, me kredas ke esus plu bona renuncar pri karno ed imitar nia samideani le Neu�ner qui esas vejetaranti. Anke esus plu saja manjar nur frukti, legumi e produkturi dil biologiala agrokultivo. Kordiale e biologiale vin salutas. jeanmartignon@minitel.net ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 490 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 32268 invoked by uid 7770); 1 Jun 1999 17:20:23 -0000 Received: from www.minitel.net (HELO gmailint1.globalmail.net) (193.252.91.20) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 1 Jun 1999 17:20:23 -0000 Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 19:20:05 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199906011720.TAA19379@gmailint1.globalmail.net> From: martignonjean@lemel.fr (Jean Martignon) Reply-To: martignonjean@lemel.fr To: idolisto@egroups.com (IDOLISTO) MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] Psikoso Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Kara cibernauti, Pro la Belga hani nutrita per farino venenigita per dioxido, nun dominacas psikoso en mea lando. Onu mustas suspektar la bovo-karno, nun la ovi e la hano-karno. Forsan la justa solvo esas imitar le Neu�ner e divenar vejetaranto. Ultre to esus plu saja, segun posibleso, manjar nur biologiala frukti legumi e produkturi. Ito esas quaze monakala vivo. La moderna mondo esas tre danjeroza e destruktera. Kordiale e ciberspacale vin salutas. martignonjean@lemel.fr ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 491 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 30350 invoked by uid 7770); 2 Jun 1999 03:31:15 -0000 Received: from mga2.primo.co.jp (210.145.40.130) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 2 Jun 1999 03:31:15 -0000 Received: from mga2.primo.co.jp (unverified [210.145.40.141]) by mga2.primo.co.jp (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Wed, 02 Jun 1999 12:35:06 +0900 Message-ID: From: "Bebson Y. TAKATA" To: "IDOLISTO" Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 12:23:22 +0900 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] Me korektigas anke vu. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Kara Sri Cibernauti:#1 Generalajo #2 Linguo #3 Politiko #4 Religio ============================================================================== Beste vriend Sro Hans STUIFBERGEN:#2 La Japona linguo sempre esas nepreciza. ============================================================================== >Cetere, quale dicar en la Japoniana: bone, por exemplo en la frazo: >Ohayo gozaimas, Ogenki des ka? --- Genki des, arigato --- (tre) bone. >(konsiderez 'bone' kom interjeciono, por finar la konverseto, > od aprobar l' afero, frazo, opiniono, edc.). -> Generale Japoni ne dicas 'bone' en tala kazo ma dicas nulo e reverencas (basigas sua kapo). Temen me dicus "Aa SOOdes ka. DOOmo, DOOmo.", nam me ne prizas tacar. Ico signifikas ke "Ka lo es tala? Esez tale, tale". (^_^) Hahaha! >Anke me deziras savar 'bela'. >Ulu indikis mea kapratra barbeto e dicis ulo, me ne savas quo. >Me nur volis questionar: ka bela? od: bela, ka ne? -> kakKO Iides ka? Ico signifikas ke "Ka (me/irgu od irgo/) aspekats bela?". La Japona linguo maxim ofte omisas subjekto en la frazo. ============================================================================== Kara Sro Kurt HAGER:#2 Me esas vua nedezirata instruktisto di Ido. (^_^;) ============================================================================== Me korektigas anke vu. -- Vua recenta letro --------------------------------------------------------- Saluto kara amiki: Ni nova idisti en nordala Texas dankas nia nova amiki transmarA (Takata e Stuifbergen) pro donIR A ni helpo PRI nia traduki. Ni deskovris KE ni ne savas multa vorti kande ni komencis tradukar la novaji aden Idolinguo. Ni esforcos havar pacienteso. IcO esas necesa absorbar nova linguo ed ola gramatiko. ��������������������������������� Kordiale, Kurt Erich Hager ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Ni kune lernez ica bela linguo! Bebson Y. TAKATA Ein guter Freund ist mehr wert als hundert Verwandte. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Adio! .....sincere vua, B.Y.T. .....Idisto ed Idiotisto pro mea limitizita edukado ed anke Ido-Kavaliero kun abundanta hucpo* e numeroza erori ============================================================================== Plez* indikar mea erori pri vorti, gramatiko, dicmaniero ec., nam me esas nura ne-edukito e devas lernar dum ke me vivas. Me sempre esperas, samideani, via amikeso por EXTRA prenar peno de via parto por instruktar me, qua durstas ye savo ulaspecala. Tamen en rara kazo kande me savas plu bone kam vi, me volunte transdonos mea humila savo a vi segun via bezoni. ============================================================================== ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 492 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 25326 invoked by uid 7770); 2 Jun 1999 10:32:48 -0000 Received: from mail2.ip.pt (194.79.69.132) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 2 Jun 1999 10:32:48 -0000 Received: from ip.pt (aranha.ip.pt [195.23.110.1]) by mail2.ip.pt with SMTP id LAA18492; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 11:32:51 +0100 (WEST) From: "Gon=?ISO-8859-1?B?52Fsbw==?= Neves" Sender: ip260424@ip.pt Reply-to: poedan@ip.pt To: idolisto@egroups.com, idolisto@egroups.com X-CC-Sender: poedan@ip.pt Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 09:30:58 GMT X-Mailer: DMailWeb Web to Mail Gateway 2.0p, http://netwinsite.com/top_mail.htm Message-id: <3754f9d2.7dd1.0@ip.pt> X-User-Info: 209.198.242.60 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] Viruso Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Kar amiki, Yen importanta mesajo jus recevita da me. Ol esas en Esperanto = e me ne havas tempo por tradukar ol. Tamen me supozas ke omni esos kapabla = lektar ol. Koncernesas problemo komputoral qua makulizas la nova versiono W= indows 98. Me esperas ke la mesajo esos utila por vi. Kun saluti kordial, = Gon=E7alo Neves Mesagho de Bertil Wennergren: (el soc.culture.esperanto)= :Atenton! Nepre ne instalu la programaron "Personal Web Server", kiu estas = parto de Vindozo 98 (kaj kiu ankau ekzistas kiel sendependaprogramaro). Tiu= "Persona TTT-servilo" estas danghera viruseca programaro, kiu senpete kaj = kashe detruas kaj shanghas surdiskajn html-dosierojn. Jen kio okazis al mi:= Mi instalis la Personan TTT-servilon por vidi, chu ghi povas helpi en la t= estado kaj evoluigado de miaj cgi-programetoj. Montrighis, ke ne, sed dum m= i testis kaj prove vizitis kelkajn el miaj paghoj, kiuj trovighas sur la di= sko de mia hejma komputilo, la TTT-servilo ne nur montris al mi tiujn pagho= jn, sed dume prenis la okazon senpete _shanghi la enhavon de la surdiskaj d= osieroj_! Ghi senpete kaj senaverte shanghis chiun dosieron, kiun mi viziti= s. Paghoj kun chapa indiko pri UTF-8 estis transformitaj tiel, ke numeraj H= TML-kodoj (ĉ k.s.) farighis dubitokaj UTF-8 kodoj. Tio ne estis tro te= rura, char neniuj informoj vere perdighis. Sed: En paghoj kun chapa indiko = pri Latino 1 (iso-8859-1), tiaj numeraj kodoj estis transformitaj al simpla= Askio, kio signifis, ke la chapelaj Esperantaj literoj perdis siajn chapel= ojn, kio estas nerenversebla perdo de informoj. (Almenau tiujn shanghojn mi= sukcesis rimarki kaj pene ripari, sed eble estas ankoraualiaj!) Jen la kon= duto de vera viruso! Do, nepre neniam tushu tiun programaron. Ghi estas kun= liverata kun Vindozo 98, kaj povas shajni alloga. Feliche ghi ne estas auto= mate instalata. Necesas aparta klopodo por instali ghin. Ne faru! Se vi jam= faris, tuj malinstalu, kaj kontrolu, chu iuj el viaj html-dosieroj estis s= hanghitaj.Bertilo Wennergren http://purl.oclc.org/NET/bertilobertilow@hem1.= passagen.se ***************************************************************= **** Kion Bertilo raportas estas sendube vera. Tamen ghi neniel rilatas al = virusoj. La programo estas simple tro inteligenta kaj lau propra iniciato a= fable "redaktas" chiujn al ghi prezentatajn html-dosierojn. Jen la problemo= . Evidente ne temas pri viruso, sed pri unuavide ne vidata kaj cxiuokaze tr= e nedezirata a=FDtomata funkcio de "Personal Web Server".Simono Pajneprofco= n@csi.com ----------------------------------------------------------------= -------- eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://ww= w.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 493 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 15776 invoked by uid 7770); 2 Jun 1999 17:00:35 -0000 Received: from mout1.01019freenet.de (62.104.201.3) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 2 Jun 1999 17:00:35 -0000 Received: from [194.97.109.112] (helo=mx0.01019freenet.de) by mout1.01019freenet.de with esmtp (Exim 3.00 #2) id 10pENA-0001w1-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Wed, 02 Jun 1999 19:00:12 +0200 Received: from [212.81.172.188] (helo=www) by mx0.01019freenet.de with smtp (Exim 3.00 #2) id 10pEMd-0007vi-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Wed, 02 Jun 1999 18:59:40 +0200 Message-ID: <000d01bead19$42a5c3a0$bcac51d4@fen.baynet.de> From: "Frank Kasper" To: "Idolisto (Mesaji)" Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 18:56:52 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Subject: [ido] Re: Viruso Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0009_01BEAD29.AD7F0640" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01BEAD29.AD7F00640 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" content-transfer-encoding: 7bit content-type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Kara amiki! Me kordialege dankas a Goncalo pro lua informo. Me quik regardis mea komputora sistemo pos lektar la mesajo e remarkis, ke me mem instalis la programo "Web Publishing Assistent", ma me ankorfoye nultempe uzis ol. L'interret-servi, ube me instalis mea interret-tereni ya antee avertis me transsendar interret-pagini per ta programo. Pro to me uzas la programo "WS-FTP 6.0" por pozar mea pagini aden l'interreto, qua bonege funcionas. Omnakaze me quik deinstalis la programo "Web Publishing Assistent". Me ankore volas mencionar, ke la programo automate instaleskas, se on instalas "Windows 98" e se on selektas l'automata instalado. Regretinde me nur apene povos partoprenar la diskuti che "Idolisto" til lundio, nam me devos laborar hodie nokte dum 9 hori, morge nokte dum 12 hori e pose quik itere en saturdio e sundio dum 12 hori ambadie dum la jorno. Me devos livar mea lojeyo ya pos un horo: Kordiala saluti a vi omni sendas Frank Kasper frank.kasper@01019freenet.de ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01BEAD29.AD7F00640-- From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 494 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 23720 invoked by uid 7770); 2 Jun 1999 18:48:38 -0000 Received: from smtp2.gte.net (207.115.153.31) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 2 Jun 1999 18:48:38 -0000 Received: from someone (1Cust213.tnt11.dfw5.da.uu.net [153.34.32.213]) by smtp2.gte.net with ESMTP for ; id NAA09557 Wed, 2 Jun 1999 13:48:36 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <002a01bead28$36aa9a80$d5202299@someone> Reply-To: "Kurt Hager" From: "Kurt Hager" To: Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 13:46:22 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3115.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Subject: [ido] Ube esas la mulieri? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0027_01BEACFE.4D0B2800" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ------=_NextPart_000_0027_01BEACFE.4D0B22800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Kara amiki: Mea bona (e tre bela ) amika Susan questionas a me: Pro quo mu= lieri ne skribanta en Idolinguo en la Idolisto? (Susan esas un de la sis n= ova idisiti en nordala Texas.) Me dicis a Susan ke me ne savas, ma me que= stionos. 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------=_NextPart_000_0027_01BEACFE.4D0B22800-- From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 495 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 13396 invoked by uid 7770); 2 Jun 1999 18:33:47 -0000 Received: from www.minitel.net (HELO gmailint2.globalmail.net) (193.252.91.20) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 2 Jun 1999 18:33:47 -0000 Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 20:33:49 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199906021833.UAA03509@gmailint2.globalmail.net> From: martignonjean@lemel.fr (Jean Martignon) Reply-To: martignonjean@lemel.fr To: idolisto@egroups.com (IDOLISTO) MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] Belga ed Europana hani Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Kara cibernauti, Semblas ke la mesaji quin me sendis pri la skandalo dil hani ne havis rezulto. Hike en Francia esas vera psikoso e la homi nun extreme timas komprar ovi e hani. Onu dicas mem ke pasti e kuki povas esar danjeroza. Kad en l'altra lando vicina de Belgia nome Nederlando, onu timas pri hano-karno ed ovi ? Kad onu pavoras venenigesar per dioxido ? Nun, me destranquilesas pri la nexta skandalo, olim fola bovini en Anglia, hodie venenigita hani en Belgia, morge malada poki o mutoni sive en Francia, sive en Italia Grekia od irg altra lando. Advere Europana Uniono esas tre danjeroza por la Europana konsumeri. Kordiale e ciberspacale vin salutas martignonjean@lemel.fr ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 496 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 6892 invoked by uid 7770); 2 Jun 1999 19:12:47 -0000 Received: from smtp2.gte.net (207.115.153.31) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 2 Jun 1999 19:12:47 -0000 Received: from someone (1Cust213.tnt11.dfw5.da.uu.net [153.34.32.213]) by smtp2.gte.net with ESMTP for ; id OAA15148 Wed, 2 Jun 1999 14:12:44 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <001e01bead2b$95bdde80$d5202299@someone> Reply-To: "Kurt Hager" From: "Kurt Hager" To: Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 14:10:27 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3115.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Subject: [ido] Fw: Me ankore vivas sub ekonomiala desfacileso. Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -----Original Message----- From: Bebson Y. TAKATA To: IDOLISTO Date: Monday, May 31, 1999 6:54 AM Subject: [ido] Me ankore vivas sub ekonomiala desfacileso. >Kande me lernis la Portugala, me ne studiis la gramatiko, nam me ja parolis > la Hispana. Hazarde renkontrinte Ido, me ne serioze lernis la gramatiko, > nam me ja konocis Esperanto. Generale me ne prizas studiar gramatiko. >Ma en la voyajo me seiroze lekteskis KGD, quan me kelkatempe glitlektis, e > felice trovis ke me tante misuzis Ido ke me ankore devas multege lernar. >Exemple me miskomprenis ke 'lu' es nur por 'ilu' ed 'elu' e ne por 'olu'. >Quale mala Idisto me esis! Ma me deziras uladie divenar kompetenta Idisto. > >Tamen por plebeyi, ordinara populi, qui antee ne lernis irga altra linguo, > -me vere kredas-, la stranjera linguo od Ido esas tre desfacile lernebla. >En Idolisto, preske omna bona Idisti lernis e konocas Esperanto, quo helpis > ke li povez kaptar e manjar Ido sen multa laboro sudorifanta, ka ne? > >Do me esperas ke ni kune konstruktez bona lernolibri kun detaloza praktiki > por komencanti di Ido por ke li facile povez lernar Ido per un od altra > "Ido por Lernanti/???" de la libri quin ni prizentos en la InterReto. >Pos 1 o 2 monati me ipsa sendos ad Idolisto la unesma specimeno sur qua onu > povos bone adjuntar sua materii por ke ni facez plu bona lernolibro. > >Me ja facis kinimo de "Komputorala Vortaro", do onu bone vartez kelkatempe. >Regretinde dum 1-2 monati me nur sporadike povos sendar letri ad Idolisto. > >xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx >Kara Sro Kurt HAGER: Plez* vartar la lernolibro probanta por Komencanti. >xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx >laser - lasero* / radar - radaro* / missile - misilo* / frigate - fregato >fighter (jetplane) - yetbataliero* / marshal - marshalo / major - mayoro >colonel - kolonelo / lieutenant - lietnanto / ensign - sublietnanto >sergeant - serjento / corporal (rank) - korporalo / senior - senioro >private (rank) - simpla soldato / commander (naval rank) - chefadmiralo >petty officer [posible oficireto?] - oficiracho / genocide - gentocido > >---------------------------------------------------------------- >Adio! .....sincere via, >B.Y.T. .....Idisto ed Idiotisto pro mea limitizita edukado ed anke > Ido-Kavaliero kun abundanta hucpo* e numeroza erori >xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx >Plez* indikar mea erori pri vorti, gramatiko, dicmaniero ec., > nam me esas nura ne-edukito e devas lernar dum ke me vivas. >Me sempre esperas, samideani, via amikeso por EXTRA prenar peno > de via parto por instruktar me, qua durstas ye savo ulaspecala. >Tamen en rara kazo kande me savas plu bone kam vi, > me volunte transdonos mea humila savo a vi segun via bezoni. >xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >eGroups Spotlight: >"Veterans of Foreign Wars" - Did you fight somewhere >around the world? 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------=_NextPart_000_0031_01BEAD01.FCAFBBA20-- From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 498 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 17855 invoked by uid 7770); 2 Jun 1999 19:28:10 -0000 Received: from spartacus.a2000.nl (HELO smtp2.a2000.nl) (62.108.1.20) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 2 Jun 1999 19:28:10 -0000 Received: from node118d7.a2000.nl ([24.132.24.215] helo=default) by smtp2.a2000.nl with smtp (Exim 2.02 #4) id 10pGgH-0001WA-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 21:28:05 +0200 Message-ID: <001301bead2e$f10b40e0$d7188418@default.a2000.nl> From: "Ido-Info" To: "idolisto" Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 21:34:29 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Subject: [ido] Jean Martignon e la mulieri Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Kar amiki, kar amiko Kurt, Me tre regretas informar vu ke Idolisto semblas esar afero di kerli. Ye quanta gradi me savas, nula muliero es membro di Idolisto. Tamen eli existas, mulieri Idista. Interaltre: Veronique Sauvegeau en Kanada, bon amiko di Martin Lavall�e, Marion Kasper en Germania, Sofiane Morchedi en Aljeria, Solange Folly en B�nin, Sylvie Danlehondji, anke en B�nin, Wanda Banasiewicz en Polonia, Heidi Neussner en Germania, Tatyana Vasilyeva en Kazakhstan, e pluse. Ma me konjektas ke li sive ne disponas e-posto sive tote ne disponas komputoro (ka pro povreso?). Certe esus bon afero se anke fine mulieri kontributis lia opiniono, savaji, edc. ad Idolisto. Ma, me havas bon espero. Kar amiko Jean Martignon, Del organizuro E-groups, qua posibligas Idolisto, me recevas iteranta menciono ke l' adreso martignonjean@lemel.fr ne es konocata da li. Se vu deziras kontributar ad Idolisto per ta adreso, forsan es plu bona abonar Idolisto per ta adreso. Do, voluntez sendar per ta adreso (vakua, anke sen temo) mesajo ad: idolisto-subscribe@egroups.com . Danko. Saluti amikala, Hans Stuifbergen ************************************************ Ido, linguo internaciona, absolute vizitez: http://members.tripod.com/~avancigado ************************************************ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 499 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 30664 invoked by uid 7770); 2 Jun 1999 19:46:11 -0000 Received: from spartacus.a2000.nl (HELO smtp2.a2000.nl) (62.108.1.20) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 2 Jun 1999 19:46:11 -0000 Received: from node118d7.a2000.nl ([24.132.24.215] helo=default) by smtp2.a2000.nl with smtp (Exim 2.02 #4) id 10pGxg-0003E3-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 21:46:04 +0200 Message-ID: <002f01bead31$749b7360$d7188418@default.a2000.nl> From: "Ido-Info" To: "idolisto" Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 21:52:32 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Subject: [ido] la hani e l' Esperanto-mesajo Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Kar amiko Jean Martignon, Certe, la novajo pri la hani, la 'hanoskandalo', explozis quale se bombo. Omna supermerkati prenis la hanaji ed ovaji de la planki. Nur la konsumento ne semblas tro suciar pri la danjero di venenizo. E me, me ja delonge es vejetarero, do anke ne sucias pri l' afero. Me nur esperas ke per tal aferi, homi esos pensanta pri la maniero quale traktesas animali. Me ne es vejetarero pro ke me es kontra la manjado di karno, no, nur pro nekonkordeso pri la maniero quale animali es traktata, precipue la tal-nomizita 'bio-industrio' (ka to es kompreno internaciona?). Do, karno de animalo qua vivis normale me ya manjus, ma til nun ne es tro facila komprar ol e do me es kontenta manjar produkti vejetarala. Kar amiko Gon�alo, Danko pro vua mesajo pasigata a ni pri la viruso. Me regretas konstatir ke me tre desfacile komprenas l' Esperanto, pos esar Idisto dum longa tempo. Ma me komprenis ke la programo Personal Web Server es nefidenda, mem ne-uzenda! Me uzas Windows '98, ma kredas ne uzar PWS. Me plu bone ne uzos ta programo. Saluti amikala, Hans St. ************************************************ Ido, linguo internaciona, absolute vizitez: http://members.tripod.com/~avancigado ************************************************ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 500 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 17588 invoked by uid 7770); 2 Jun 1999 20:15:37 -0000 Received: from www.minitel.net (HELO gmailint1.globalmail.net) (193.252.91.20) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 2 Jun 1999 20:15:37 -0000 Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 22:15:38 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199906022015.WAA19437@gmailint1.globalmail.net> From: martignonjean@lemel.fr (Jean Martignon) Reply-To: martignonjean@lemel.fr To: idolisto@egroups.com (IDOLISTO) MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] Yen me esas che la listo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Kara samideani, kara Hans, Nun Hans vu povos sendar mesaji a me ad ica nov adreso nam me adheris al idolisto.. Ito esas mikra chanjo. Me kredas ke anke me divenos vejetaranto pro neceseso. Me opinionas ke la agrokultivo devus divenor "biologiala" t.e. sen kemialaji ed uzar nur naturala dungo. La konvencionala agrokultivo destruktas la tero e mortigas la vivanta enti inkluzite la homi. Forsan la "triesma voyo" di nia samideano Neu�ner devus aceptesar, nam la tro granda pekunio-avideso es katastrofo. Kordiale vin salutas martignonjean@lemel.fr ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 501 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 30235 invoked by uid 7770); 3 Jun 1999 09:05:25 -0000 Received: from lince.lander.es (195.76.46.35) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 3 Jun 1999 09:05:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 29573 invoked from network); 3 Jun 1999 09:05:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ppp-48-7.lander.es) (195.76.48.7) by lince.lander.es with SMTP; 3 Jun 1999 09:05:15 -0000 X-Sender: joser@lince.lander.es X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 To: idolisto@egroups.com From: "j.m.rodriguez" Subject: [ido] Hispanlinguala Idisti Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Kar Amiki: Okazione di sendado di mesaji inter Marcos xavo@bbvnet.com = e me ipsa, ni inquestis quanta Idol-ani habitas en hispanlinguala landi. S= egun mea unesma regardo ni esas: -- "Marcos" de Hispan= ia. -- "Mariano Echeverr=EDa-Braga" de Mexikia. -- = "Jaime Escobal McEvoy" de Peru. -- "Daniel = Alegrett" de Venezuela. -- "Jose Maria Rodriguez H= ernandez" de Hispania. Kad esas altri? Kordiala saluti = de Hispania. Jose Maria Rodriguez Hernandez joser@lander.es ------------= ------------------------------------------------------------- eGroups.com h= ome: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplif= ying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 502 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 26092 invoked by uid 7770); 3 Jun 1999 10:11:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO epmsa001.ep.minsk.by) (194.226.122.227) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 3 Jun 1999 10:11:30 -0000 Received: by epmsa001.ep.minsk.by with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 13:10:52 +0300 Message-ID: <8D76D48EDDD3D211AC3000A0C98212E703A7FC@epmsa001.ep.minsk.by> From: "Dmitri P. Laptsionak" To: 'IDOLISTO' Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 13:10:51 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Subject: [ido] Pri mulieri Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1251" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Saluti ad omnu Me anke remarkis ke mankas mulieri che IDOLISTO. Eli tre beligus nia 'ciberspaca' komunikado. En nia lando esas 'mito' ke homini esas ne tre kapabla pri komputili e pluse pri exacta cienci. Do, se on prenas en komputila firmao ula muliero o yunino, to esas nur por ke apud-sidanta homuli ne uzes mala vorti (ne blasfemez*). Ma che la listo esas tre edukita homi e semblas ke ni ne bezonas ula impedilo. Tamen certe mankas mulieri - sen eli la homi ne povas multiplikar su :) Quon signifas 'jurar' - en Ido-Angla vortaro on skribis: 'to swear, give one's oath' - to esas 'male, obscene parolar' o 'dicar ke ulu esos fidela'. Do me ne komprenas, quon me faras, kande me 'juras'. Zmicier Lapcionak ------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 503 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 1316 invoked by uid 7770); 3 Jun 1999 10:30:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO epmsa001.ep.minsk.by) (194.226.122.227) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 3 Jun 1999 10:30:33 -0000 Received: by epmsa001.ep.minsk.by with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 13:30:09 +0300 Message-ID: <8D76D48EDDD3D211AC3000A0C98212E703A7FD@epmsa001.ep.minsk.by> From: "Dmitri P. Laptsionak" To: 'IDOLISTO' Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 13:30:08 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Subject: [ido] Pri skandali Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1251" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Saluti Yen esas mea 'nigra humoro'. Ne montrez ica letro ad ulu oficisto de Belarusia, on punisos me, se komprenos quon me skribas :) Nia guvernerio deziras nur bono por nia populo. Se eventas ula katastrofo od incidento lore ol ne urjas dicar a homi pri to. Ol sorgas pri nia psiko. Por ne esez paniko ni saveskis pri explodo en Chernobil nur kande radio-aktiva nubi advenis Suedia. Do forsan en nia lando ultempe aparas venenizita manjaji, ni pri co saveskos nur pos kande certa tempo pasos e multa homi venenizos. Pri bov-mortigado existas olda anekdoto*. Renkontras bovini de Francia, Usa ed USSR. La Usana dicas: "Por havar bov-kamo la homi mortigas ni per elektro - tre rapide e sen-dolore". La Franciana dicas: "Oni mortigas ni per gilotino* kom rejin - to esas timige, ma noble". E nia bovino triste ekspiras: "Ma ni mortas per nia propra morto"... Qua esas diferenco inter 'ocidar' e 'mortigar'? Zmicier Lapcionak ------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 504 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 12115 invoked by uid 7770); 3 Jun 1999 10:55:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO epmsa001.ep.minsk.by) (194.226.122.227) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 3 Jun 1999 10:55:32 -0000 Received: by epmsa001.ep.minsk.by with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 13:55:01 +0300 Message-ID: <8D76D48EDDD3D211AC3000A0C98212E703A7FE@epmsa001.ep.minsk.by> From: "Dmitri P. Laptsionak" To: 'IDOLISTO' Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 13:55:00 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Subject: [ido] Pri erori Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1251" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Saluto kara Bebson Y. TAKATA Me kordiale dankas a vu pro vua korektiguri. Me tre prizas vua desfacila laboro instruktar ni pri erori. Voluntez durigar ol sen fatigir. Nia redakteri (Jean Martignon e Hans Stuifberger). Se vu volas, vu povas pozar la naracuro "Libereso" en vua jurnali. Yen me havas du questioni pri nombri. En KGD me lektis: "Se li konstitucas multipliko on indikas olu per _a_ ye la fino dil unesma nombro : dua-dek (20)" Ka me povas uzar ica regulo por nombri altra de dek, cent, mil e.c.? Exemple tria-sis = 18, kina-non e du = 47. (To ne esas reformo, nur interesa matematika fenomeno). Me ne tre bone komprenas quo esas 'dua', 'tria', ed altra. Duesma - to esas ta, qua sequas pos la firsta. Duopla - ta qua konsistas ek du kozi. Ma dua - ? Zmicier Lapcionak ------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 505 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 27469 invoked by uid 7770); 3 Jun 1999 19:00:13 -0000 Received: from www.minitel.net (HELO gmailint2.globalmail.net) (193.252.91.20) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 3 Jun 1999 19:00:12 -0000 Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 21:00:08 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199906031900.VAA20233@gmailint2.globalmail.net> From: martignonjean@lemel.fr (Jean Martignon) Reply-To: martignonjean@lemel.fr To: idolisto@egroups.com (IDOLISTO) MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] Plendo-kansono dil Flandriana texistini Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Kara cibernauti, Hodie la sindikato C.G.T. distributis flugfolio pri profesionala aferi. Pro ke la C.G.T.-ani esas koncioza ed erudita laboristi en lia flugfolio esis Mezepokal poemo qua semblas indikar ke ja dum la 12ma yarcento existis forta spirito de klaso-kombato. Yen la poemo : PLENDO-KANSONO DIL FLANDRIANA TEXISTINI Silka tukin sempre texos ni, Malgre to nulatempe plu bone vestita esos ni, Sempre povra e nuda esos ni E sempre hungros e durstos ni... Per granda peno panon havas ni, Poka matine e vespere mem mine, Granda parto del nokti ne dormas ni. Ma plurichigas laboro nia Ilta por qua laboras ni. Chretien de Troyes La Chevaliero ye la Leono (1170) Pos lektir ica poemo me komprenas plu bone la Flandriana laboristi di 1999. Konservinte la memoraji di la laborkondicioni deskriptita en ica kansoneto, li volas ganar (multa) pekunio per nutrar hani per dioxinizita (*) farino, por evitar . rifalar en tala mizero. Yen la misterio di lia agadmaniero solvita. ... Silka tukin sempre texos ni... Kordiale e texistale vin salutas martignonjean@lemel.fr ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 506 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 22783 invoked by uid 7770); 4 Jun 1999 06:42:25 -0000 Received: from mga2.primo.co.jp (210.145.40.130) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 4 Jun 1999 06:42:25 -0000 Received: from mga2.primo.co.jp (unverified [210.145.40.140]) by mga2.primo.co.jp (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Fri, 04 Jun 1999 15:45:27 +0900 Message-ID: From: "Bebson Y. TAKATA" To: "IDOLISTO" Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1999 15:37:18 +0900 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] -esm vinkas Esperantala -a. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kara Sri Cibernauti:#1 Generalajo #2 Linguo #3 Politiko #4 Religio =============================================================================: Kara Sro Kurt HAGER:#2 Ich habe meine Pflicht nicht genug getan, nicht wahr? =============================================================================: idisti -> Idisti, ola gramatiko -> olUa gramatiko, geshafft! =============================================================================: Kara Sro Dmitri P. LAPTSIONAK:#2 Pro quo 'dua' anstat* simpla 'du'? =============================================================================: Hodie vu e me esas matematikisti. Me telefonas a vu dicante.."La nombri es... 20, 2, 10, 12, 10, 2..." ma en Esperanto "dudek du dek dekdu dek du".... Vu kompreneble audas quale "du dek dudek dek du dekdu.. 2, 10, 20, 10, 2, 12". Ma kande en Ido me dicas "duadek du dek dek-e-du dek du", quon vu audas? Exakte la nombri quin me intencis transportar, ka ne? E dua-dek tote ne esas duopla dek! 'Dua' es adjektivo qua expresas qualeso di 2. Duadek, triadek, quaradek etc. es en la duesma kolono (=deka kolono). Do en aritmetiko la triesma kolono es centa kolono, la quaresma es mila kolono. E duadek es 'dek' qua havas qualeso di 2, nome 'duesma dek = 20'. Vua 'tria sis' trovesas en 3[6(a b c d)] ma ne en 4[6(a b c d)]. Ka vu bone povas dicar la sequanta frazi en Esperanto per Esperantala -a? Vu povus ganar specala premio se vu esus la milionESMa eniranto aden la muzeo. Me prenos kelkESMa specimeni por inspektar la qualeso di ica fabrikerio. -----------------------------------------------------------------------------: to swear (make solemn declaration) = jurar to swear (blaspheme) = blasfemar : to curse = maledikar -----------------------------------------------------------------------------: Nia guvernerio deziras nur bonESo por nia populo. Se eventas ula katastrofo od acidenti lore ol ne urjas informar homi pri to. Nam ol sorgas nia sentimento (psiko). Por KE ne esez paniko, ni saveskis pri exploZo en Chernobil nur kande radio-aktiva nubi advenis Suedia. Do forsan en nia lando se ultempe aparas venenizita manjaji, ni pri co saveskos nur pos kande certa tempo pasos e multa homi venenizos. Pri bov-mortigado existas olda anekdoto. Renkontras bovini de Francia, Usa ed USSR. La Usana dicas: "Por havar bov-karno la homi mortigas ni per elektro - tre rapide e sen-dolore". La Franciana dicas: "OnU mortigas ni per gilotino kom rejinoN - to esas timiganta, ma nobla". E nia bovino triste expiras: "Ma ni mortas per nia propra morto"... Qua esas DIFERO inter 'ocidar' e 'mortigar'? Zmicier Lapcionak mortigar = cesigar vivar : ocidar = mortigar vole e voloente Ta yuno ne ipse ocidis ma mortigis sua gepatri pro granda chagreno. -----------------------------------------------------------------------------: Adio! .....sincere via, B.Y.T. .....Idisto ed Idiotisto pro mea limitizita edukado ed anke Ido-Kavaliero kun abundanta hucpo* e numeroza erori =============================================================================: Plez* indikar mea erori pri vorti, gramatiko, dicmaniero ec., nam me esas nura ne-edukito e devas lernar dum ke me vivas. Me sempre esperas, samideani, via amikeso por EXTRA prenar peno de via parto por instruktar me, qua durstas ye savo ulaspecala. Tamen en rara kazo kande me savas plu bone kam vi, me volunte transdonos mea humila savo a vi segun via bezoni. =============================================================================: ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 507 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 11133 invoked by uid 7770); 4 Jun 1999 13:51:53 -0000 Received: from dipobox.sis.it (193.70.16.1) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 4 Jun 1999 13:51:53 -0000 Received: from lizard [193.70.17.54] with smtp by dipobox.sis.it with smtp (Smail-3.2.0.101 1997-Dec-17 #8 #8) id m10pvKy-0008miC; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 15:52:48 +0100 (GMT+0100) Message-Id: Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1999 15:52:48 +0100 (GMT+0100) X-Sender: narcar@mailserver.sis.it X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 To: idolisto@egroups.com From: Nardini Carlo Subject: [ido] Ido, hobio o movemento Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Kar Idisti, =93Intereso pri mondo-linguo povas esar=85 1. filologial in= tereso=85 2. mirealista, miidealista intereso=85 3. pure idealista intere= so=85=94 (J. Kreis - Antologio dil Ido Linguo). Me apartenas a l'unesma= kategorio. Mea intereso pri via facinanta linguo esas exakte, en mea limi= ti, filologiala, linguistikala. Por me Ido esas plezuro en su, amuzo, hob= io*, ne movemento. Me facinesas da la splendida rezultajo di linguo-kons= truktado per intelektala laboro, preske sen helpo de la omnadia uzado. Of= te me astonesas da la kapableso expresar koncepti per linguo artificala mem= plu efikive e plu bele kam per lingui naturala. Prenez le yena: - =93olim= ega=94 (Richardson, 1929): me ne savus quale nereduktive tradukar ol; - = =93exemplerope=94 (Neves): me ne savus quale expresar plu sintezale la kon= cepto. Me kredas ke vi devas esar =93toto corde=94 gratitudoza a la olima= reformeri dil Idolinguo: se vi havas hodie linguo tante admirinda, quanka= m ankore polisebla, to debesas precize a lia neevaluebla linguo-perfektigad= o. Prezente me esas kreanta, pro mea filologiala amuzo e por mea persona= la uzo, listo di nova radiki (exkluzante termini teknikala). Me ja havas c= irkum 300 di li, singlu kun lua GAFHIR-grado, quantizita segun mea personal= a skalo. Me anke transskribas (latinigas) proximigale la Rusa alfabeto. M= ea laboro esas amatorala, efektigata preske unike per mea plura dicionarii= . Me amuzas me per omna to. Esas ludo tre facinanta, ed instrukte= so pluse. (A B. Takata, me expresas mea feliceso pro lua riveno). Kord= iale, Carlo Nardini ----------------------------------------------------= -------------------- eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolis= to http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 508 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 8591 invoked by uid 7770); 4 Jun 1999 06:11:41 -0000 Received: from mga2.primo.co.jp (210.145.40.130) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 4 Jun 1999 06:11:41 -0000 Received: from mga2.primo.co.jp (unverified [210.145.40.140]) by mga2.primo.co.jp (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Fri, 04 Jun 1999 15:14:42 +0900 Message-ID: From: "Bebson Y. TAKATA" To: "IDOLISTO" Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1999 15:03:02 +0900 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] Esperantala -a ne valoras kam -esm. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kara Sri Cibernauti:#1 Generalajo #2 Linguo #3 Politiko #4 Religio =============================================================================: Kara Sro Kurt HAGER:#2 Ich habe meine Pflicht nicht genug getan, nicht wahr? =============================================================================: idisti -> Idisti, ola gramatiko -> olUa gramatiko, geshafft! =============================================================================: Kara Sro Dmitri P. LAPTSIONAK:#2 Pro quo 'dua' anstat* simpla 'du'? =============================================================================: Hodie vu e me esas matematikisti. Me telefonas a vu dicante.."La nombri es... 20, 2, 10, 12, 10, 2..." ma en Esperanto "dudek du dek dekdu dek du".... Vu kompreneble audas quale "du dek dudek dek du dekdu.. 2, 10, 20, 10, 2, 12". Ma kande en Ido me dicas "duadek du dek dek-e-du dek du", quon vu audas? Exakte la nombri quin me intencis transportar, ka ne? E dua-dek tote ne esas duopla dek! 'Dua' es adjektivo qua expresas qualeso di 2. Duadek, triadek, quaradek etc. es en la duesma kolono (=deka kolono). Do en aritmetiko la triesma kolono es centa kolono, la quaresma es mila kolono. E duadek es 'dek' qua havas qualeso di 2, nome 'duesma dek = 20'. Vua 'tria sis' trovesas en 3[6(a b c d)] ma ne en 4[6(a b c d)]. Ka vu bone povas dicar la sequanta frazi en Esperanto per Esperantala -a? Vu povus ganar specala premio se vu esus la milionESMa eniranto aden la muzeo. Me prenos kelkESMa specimeni por inspektar la qualeso di ica fabrikerio. -----------------------------------------------------------------------------: to swear (make solemn declaration) = jurar to swear (blaspheme) = blasfemar : to curse = maledikar -----------------------------------------------------------------------------: Nia guvernerio deziras nur bonESo por nia populo. Se eventas ula katastrofo od acidenti lore ol ne urjas informar homi pri to. Nam ol sorgas nia sentimento (psiko). Por KE ne esez paniko, ni saveskis pri exploZo en Chernobil nur kande radio-aktiva nubi advenis Suedia. Do forsan en nia lando se ultempe aparas venenizita manjaji, ni pri co saveskos nur pos kande certa tempo pasos e multa homi venenizos. Pri bov-mortigado existas olda anekdoto. Renkontras bovini de Francia, Usa ed USSR. La Usana dicas: "Por havar bov-karno la homi mortigas ni per elektro - tre rapide e sen-dolore". La Franciana dicas: "OnU mortigas ni per gilotino kom rejinoN - to esas timiganta, ma nobla". E nia bovino triste expiras: "Ma ni mortas per nia propra morto"... Qua esas DIFERO inter 'ocidar' e 'mortigar'? Zmicier Lapcionak mortigar = cesigar vivar : ocidar = mortigar vole e voloente Ta yuno ne ipse ocidis ma mortigis sua gepatri pro granda chagreno. -----------------------------------------------------------------------------: Adio! .....sincere via, B.Y.T. .....Idisto ed Idiotisto pro mea limitizita edukado ed anke Ido-Kavaliero kun abundanta hucpo* e numeroza erori =============================================================================: Plez* indikar mea erori pri vorti, gramatiko, dicmaniero ec., nam me esas nura ne-edukito e devas lernar dum ke me vivas. Me sempre esperas, samideani, via amikeso por EXTRA prenar peno de via parto por instruktar me, qua durstas ye savo ulaspecala. Tamen en rara kazo kande me savas plu bone kam vi, me volunte transdonos mea humila savo a vi segun via bezoni. =============================================================================: ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 509 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ X-Duplicate: Duplicate(2)--1865099791 Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 10140 invoked by uid 7770); 4 Jun 1999 06:15:16 -0000 Received: from mga2.primo.co.jp (210.145.40.130) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 4 Jun 1999 06:15:16 -0000 Received: from mga2.primo.co.jp (unverified [210.145.40.140]) by mga2.primo.co.jp (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Fri, 04 Jun 1999 15:18:20 +0900 Message-ID: From: "Bebson Y. TAKATA" To: "IDOLISTO" Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1999 15:10:14 +0900 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] Esperantala -a ne valoras kam -esm. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kara Sri Cibernauti:#1 Generalajo #2 Linguo #3 Politiko #4 Religio =============================================================================: Kara Sro Kurt HAGER:#2 Ich habe meine Pflicht nicht genug getan, nicht wahr? =============================================================================: idisti -> Idisti, ola gramatiko -> olUa gramatiko, geshafft! =============================================================================: Kara Sro Dmitri P. LAPTSIONAK:#2 Pro quo 'dua' anstat* simpla 'du'? =============================================================================: Hodie vu e me esas matematikisti. Me telefonas a vu dicante.."La nombri es... 20, 2, 10, 12, 10, 2..." ma en Esperanto "dudek du dek dekdu dek du".... Vu kompreneble audas quale "du dek dudek dek du dekdu.. 2, 10, 20, 10, 2, 12". Ma kande en Ido me dicas "duadek du dek dek-e-du dek du", quon vu audas? Exakte la nombri quin me intencis transportar, ka ne? E dua-dek tote ne esas duopla dek! 'Dua' es adjektivo qua expresas qualeso di 2. Duadek, triadek, quaradek etc. es en la duesma kolono (=deka kolono). Do en aritmetiko la triesma kolono es centa kolono, la quaresma es mila kolono. E duadek es 'dek' qua havas qualeso di 2, nome 'duesma dek = 20'. Vua 'tria sis' trovesas en 3[6(a b c d)] ma ne en 4[6(a b c d)]. Ka vu bone povas dicar la sequanta frazi en Esperanto per Esperantala -a? Vu povus ganar specala premio se vu esus la milionESMa eniranto aden la muzeo. Me prenos kelkESMa specimeni por inspektar la qualeso di ica fabrikerio. -----------------------------------------------------------------------------: to swear (make solemn declaration) = jurar to swear (blaspheme) = blasfemar : to curse = maledikar -----------------------------------------------------------------------------: Nia guvernerio deziras nur bonESo por nia populo. Se eventas ula katastrofo od acidenti lore ol ne urjas informar homi pri to. Nam ol sorgas nia sentimento (psiko). Por KE ne esez paniko, ni saveskis pri exploZo en Chernobil nur kande radio-aktiva nubi advenis Suedia. Do forsan en nia lando se ultempe aparas venenizita manjaji, ni pri co saveskos nur pos kande certa tempo pasos e multa homi venenizos. Pri bov-mortigado existas olda anekdoto. Renkontras bovini de Francia, Usa ed USSR. La Usana dicas: "Por havar bov-karno la homi mortigas ni per elektro - tre rapide e sen-dolore". La Franciana dicas: "OnU mortigas ni per gilotino kom rejinoN - to esas timiganta, ma nobla". E nia bovino triste expiras: "Ma ni mortas per nia propra morto"... Qua esas DIFERO inter 'ocidar' e 'mortigar'? Zmicier Lapcionak mortigar = cesigar vivar : ocidar = mortigar vole e voloente Ta yuno ne ipse ocidis ma mortigis sua gepatri pro granda chagreno. -----------------------------------------------------------------------------: Adio! .....sincere via, B.Y.T. .....Idisto ed Idiotisto pro mea limitizita edukado ed anke Ido-Kavaliero kun abundanta hucpo* e numeroza erori =============================================================================: Plez* indikar mea erori pri vorti, gramatiko, dicmaniero ec., nam me esas nura ne-edukito e devas lernar dum ke me vivas. Me sempre esperas, samideani, via amikeso por EXTRA prenar peno de via parto por instruktar me, qua durstas ye savo ulaspecala. Tamen en rara kazo kande me savas plu bone kam vi, me volunte transdonos mea humila savo a vi segun via bezoni. =============================================================================: ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 510 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 14763 invoked by uid 7770); 4 Jun 1999 16:11:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO epmsa001.ep.minsk.by) (194.226.122.227) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 4 Jun 1999 16:11:20 -0000 Received: by epmsa001.ep.minsk.by with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 19:10:41 +0300 Message-ID: <8D76D48EDDD3D211AC3000A0C98212E703A802@epmsa001.ep.minsk.by> From: "Dmitri P. Laptsionak" To: 'IDOLISTO' Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1999 19:10:40 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Subject: [ido] Pri nombri Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1251" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Saluti matematikala Kara sioro Bebson Y. Takata. Me lernis matematiko en universitato dum 5 yari, ma me ne komprenas quo esas: > Vua 'tria sis' trovesas en 3[6(a b c d)] ma ne en 4[6(a b c d)]. Zmicier Lapcionak ------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 511 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 22138 invoked by uid 7770); 4 Jun 1999 18:42:50 -0000 Received: from mout1.01019freenet.de (62.104.201.3) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 4 Jun 1999 18:42:50 -0000 Received: from [62.104.201.2] (helo=mx1.01019freenet.de) by mout1.01019freenet.de with esmtp (Exim 3.00 #2) id 10pyvZ-0007SI-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Fri, 04 Jun 1999 20:42:49 +0200 Received: from [212.81.173.247] (helo=www) by mx1.01019freenet.de with smtp (Exim 3.00 #2) id 10pyvI-0000Hz-01 for idolisto@egroups.com; Fri, 04 Jun 1999 20:42:32 +0200 Message-ID: <000e01beaeb9$f28f1a40$f7ad51d4@fen.baynet.de> From: "Frank Kasper" To: "Idolisto (Mesaji)" Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1999 20:36:15 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Subject: [ido] Re: Literaturbiblioteko dil Germana Ido-Societo Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0005_01BEAEC9.E4151900" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01BEAEC9.E41511900 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" content-transfer-encoding: 7bit content-type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Kara amiki! Me jus finis enkomputorigar l'aktualigita "Listo dil literaturbiblioteko dil Germana Ido-Societo", qua nun kontenas anke omna libri recevita en marto de Suedia. Pro la extenteso dil nova listo me devis pozar lo aden l'interreto per du parti. Vi trovos lo ye la sequanta TTT-eyi: Unesma parto: http://www.online.de/home/Ido-Germania/lit.htm Duesma parto: http://www.online.de/home/Ido-Germania/lit1.htm Komenti koncerne la listo esos bonvenata che me!!! Me nun deziras a vi omni agreabla semanofino! Kun la maxim kordiala ed amikala saluti a vi omni! Frank Kasper frank.kasper@01019freenet.de ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01BEAEC9.E41511900-- From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 512 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 17771 invoked by uid 7770); 5 Jun 1999 06:58:53 -0000 Received: from search.egroups.com (HELO search.findmail.com) (207.138.41.144) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 5 Jun 1999 06:58:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 3248 invoked by uid 7770); 5 Jun 1999 06:58:53 -0000 Received: from www.minitel.net (HELO gmailint2.globalmail.net) (193.252.91.20) by search.egroups.com with SMTP; 5 Jun 1999 06:58:53 -0000 Date: Sat, 5 Jun 1999 08:55:45 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199906050655.IAA18220@gmailint2.globalmail.net> From: martignonjean@lemel.fr (Jean Martignon) Reply-To: martignonjean@lemel.fr To: idolisto@egroups.com (IDOLISTO) MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] La Belgi es divenonta vejetaranti Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Kara cibernauti, Icamatine, me audis che radio ke en Belgia, tre poke karno es aquirebla nun. Koakte la Belgi divenas vejetaranti. E la nuna eventi pro la dis-savigo di venenizita nutrivi facas granda reklamo por la biologial produkturi. En Francia, la situesos esas apene plu bona icarelate e ni opinioneskas ke forsan la vejetaranti esas justa. Ed anke esus plu bona komprar biologiala produkturi. Ma la Europana guvernerii ne tre kurajigis la agrokultivisti laborar e produktar biologiale. Forsan ni devus refujar ni en ekovilaji (*) En altra loki kam en west-Europa, onu ne havas tala problemi... Ciberspacale e dioxinale vin salutas martignonjean@lemel.fr ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 513 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 7537 invoked by uid 7770); 5 Jun 1999 10:50:46 -0000 Received: from spartacus.a2000.nl (HELO smtp2.a2000.nl) (62.108.1.20) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 5 Jun 1999 10:50:46 -0000 Received: from node118d7.a2000.nl ([24.132.24.215] helo=default) by smtp2.a2000.nl with smtp (Exim 2.02 #4) id 10qE2C-0003Bx-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Sat, 5 Jun 1999 12:50:40 +0200 Message-ID: <000901beaf42$2bc22a40$d7188418@default.a2000.nl> From: "Ido-Info" To: "idolisto" Date: Sat, 5 Jun 1999 12:57:14 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Subject: [ido] biriferio Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kar amiki, Me lektis libreto pri Amsterdam en l' Italiana (guidolibro lasita en la muzeo da turisto). Ye mea surprizo me lektis la vorto "birrifici". Kun granda okuli me kuris a mea planko kun dicionarii. Ma regretinde en la dicionario Italiana-Nederlandana me ne trovis ol, ol ne es tro ampla. Tamen (mem kelka plusa foyi me trovis la vorto "birrifici" en la guidolibro, do devas esar vorto normala), me sempre pensis ke l' Ido-vorto biriferio esis tipal Idovorto, pro olua kompozeso de Ido-elementi, bir-if-eri-o. Ma ke l' elementi es tante internaciona e derivata de lingui reala, me ne konciis. Do, on vere rikonocas multa vorti en la lingui nacionala per Ido. Ne nur per la radiki, ma anke kompozita per l' afixi. Anke parolante kun turisti de Arjentinia, me serchis la vorto 'abreviuro' en la Hispana, ne povis rimemorar ol, e probis per l' Ido-formo 'abreviuro'. Ha, 'abreviatura', la paro korektigis me. Anke hike lo sama, per uzo di Idovorti ed elementi, on es plu proxim la lingui nacionala kam on koncias. (Adminime, segun mea experienci). Me ne asertas ke Ido pro to es superiora ad altra projetita lingui, ma nur la plezuro di uzebleso plezis a me. Co, lo supre skribita, me konstatis pos lektir la mesajo da Carlo Nardini. Saluti amikala, Hans St. ************************************************ Ido, linguo internaciona, absolute vizitez: http://members.tripod.com/~avancigado ************************************************ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 514 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 20603 invoked by uid 7770); 5 Jun 1999 18:26:40 -0000 Received: from www.minitel.net (HELO gmailint2.globalmail.net) (193.252.91.20) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 5 Jun 1999 18:26:40 -0000 Date: Sat, 5 Jun 1999 20:26:42 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199906051826.UAA05775@gmailint2.globalmail.net> From: martignonjean@lemel.fr (Jean Martignon) Reply-To: martignonjean@lemel.fr To: idolisto@egroups.com (IDOLISTO) MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] Internacioneso Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Kara cibernauti, Hans aludis pri l'internaciona karaktero di nia linguo en recenta mesajo. Kad il pensis pri la filmo "mortal kombat". Onu povus kredar ke la homi qui facis ica filmo e titulizis ol esas Idisti, nam ica titulo esas preske perfekta Ido. Anke existas la nomo dil kremo por la pelo nomizita "nivea". Anke la fabrikeri di ca produkturo esis olim Idisti. Existas konstruktisti de domi en Francia di qua la nomo di la firmo esas "dom-expo". Evidente existas exter la Angla latenta mondala linguo qua povus fitar sat bone kun Ido. Do, ni devus laborar inteligente por propozar a ti qui voluntas alternativa mondo-linguo. Ciberspacala ed alternativa saluti. martignonjean@lemel.fr ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 515 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 2008 invoked by uid 7770); 6 Jun 1999 06:04:09 -0000 Received: from www.minitel.net (HELO gmailint1.globalmail.net) (193.252.91.20) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 6 Jun 1999 06:04:09 -0000 Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1999 08:04:11 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199906060604.IAA23533@gmailint1.globalmail.net> From: martignonjean@lemel.fr (Jean Martignon) Reply-To: martignonjean@lemel.fr To: idolisto@egroups.com (IDOLISTO) MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] Blanka Stelo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Kara cibernauti, Yen poemo da nia granda poeto, livinta ica mondo recente, Andreas Juste : Vana ne pov esor tanta fervoro E kand eventos la sublim auroro, L'ultima, qua konocos nul vespero, Venos la floro di ta long espero, Lore levesos la nubea velo Por la Kompani di la Blanka Stelo. Ica poemo aparis en la no 300 di Progreso. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 516 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 9100 invoked by uid 7770); 6 Jun 1999 18:46:41 -0000 Received: from www.minitel.net (HELO gmailint1.globalmail.net) (193.252.91.20) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 6 Jun 1999 18:46:41 -0000 Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1999 20:46:39 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199906061846.UAA29486@gmailint1.globalmail.net> From: martignonjean@lemel.fr (Jean Martignon) Reply-To: martignonjean@lemel.fr To: idolisto@egroups.com (IDOLISTO) MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] La maxim longa dio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Kara cibernauti, Hodie, 55 yari ante nun, t.e. ye la 6ma junio 1944, la westala federiti desembarkis en Normandia e tale komencis la liberigo di west-Europa dil nazistacha yugo. Remember ! Rimemorez ! Pro ke ica dio esas la maxim longa... Ciberspacale salutante. JM ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 517 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 11353 invoked by uid 7770); 6 Jun 1999 18:51:47 -0000 Received: from farida.a2000.nl (HELO smtp1.a2000.nl) (62.108.1.19) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 6 Jun 1999 18:51:47 -0000 Received: from node118d7.a2000.nl ([24.132.24.215] helo=default) by smtp1.a2000.nl with smtp (Exim 2.02 #4) id 10qi1F-00058A-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 20:51:41 +0200 Message-ID: <001801beb04e$8a8ebae0$d7188418@default.a2000.nl> From: "Ido-Info" To: "idolisto" Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1999 20:58:18 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Subject: [ido] internacioneso Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kar amiki, kar amiko Jean Martignon, Vu qua tenas vivace la forumo per diverse temizita mesaji, me ne pensis pri "Mortal Kombat", titulo preske Idala, nam mankas l' -o ye la fino di Kombato. Tamen, es komenco survoye ad tota Idigo di filmotituli, ka ne? Me havas questiono por vu ed altra Idisti de ne-Angla linguala nacioni. Hike en Nederlando tituli di filmi ne-Nederlandana sempre es tradukita aden l' Angla. Mem de filmi en qui es parolata altra linguo kam l' Angla. Tale la filmi Chiniana automate recevas titulo Angla, dum ke la filmo es parolata Chiniane e subtitulizita Nederlandane. Me ne savas la motivo. Ofte anke pekunio stranjera es tradukita aden dolari, quale se ni ne komprenas ke en Chinia es pagata per "yuan", o quale se ni ne es kapabla transkalkular la sumo aden florini. Ka tale anke es en altra landi? Saluti amikala, Hans St. ************************************************ Ido, linguo internaciona, absolute vizitez: http://members.tripod.com/~avancigado ************************************************ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 518 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 5201 invoked by uid 7770); 6 Jun 1999 20:00:34 -0000 Received: from www.minitel.net (HELO gmailint1.globalmail.net) (193.252.91.20) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 6 Jun 1999 20:00:34 -0000 Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1999 22:00:21 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199906062000.WAA13696@gmailint1.globalmail.net> From: martignonjean@lemel.fr (Jean Martignon) Reply-To: martignonjean@lemel.fr To: idolisto@egroups.com (IDOLISTO) Cc: edward.hsteve@lemel.fr MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] Filmi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Kara cibernauti, kara Hans, En Francia la tituli di omna stranjera filmi, segun mea savo, esas tradukita a la Franca linguo. Anke la nomo di la pekunio restas segun la vera nomo di ca stranjera pekunio. Kelkafoye, ma tre rare, ol esas tradukita a Franca franko. Me supozas ke esas granda preso en vua lando por pokope penetrigar la Angla. Me konjektas ke ito fontas de la fakto ke vua linguo esas parenta tre proxima omnarelate de la Angla. Mea-opinione, omno dependas de la rezisto-volo di vua samlandani. Se la Nederlandani cedas, lore la Angla divenos ulaspeca oficala linguo en vua lando ed altra Europana landi esos atakata. Me konjektas ke esos la Skandiviana landi e pose Germania edc., omno segun la regulo di la minim granda rezisto ke la ancien Idisti volis uzar favoroze ad Ido ante la kataklismatra krizo di 1928. Do, ito esas vere "Mortal Kombat"-o. Vin salutas kordiale e ciberspacale. martignonjean@lemel.fr ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 519 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 7873 invoked by uid 7770); 6 Jun 1999 23:59:16 -0000 Received: from mga2.primo.co.jp (210.145.40.130) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 6 Jun 1999 23:59:16 -0000 Received: from mga2.primo.co.jp (unverified [210.145.40.140]) by mga2.primo.co.jp (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Mon, 07 Jun 1999 09:02:34 +0900 Message-ID: From: "Bebson Y. TAKATA" To: "IDOLISTO" Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 08:54:03 +0900 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] Me ne esas matematikisto ma Kungfuisto. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Kara Sri Cibernauti:#1 Generalajo #2 Linguo #3 Politiko #4 Religio >----------------------------------------------------------------------------< Me sendis ica letro 2 dii ante nun ed eGroups ne recevis olu. eGroups ne sempre funcionas bone. Dum monato me tote ne recevis letri. Pos kande me receveskis via letri, kelkatempe mea letri forjetesis da la sistemo. Do me chanjis la titulo di mea letri e itere sendis oli, lore la sistemo recevis. Ma icatempe mea omna letri sama recevesis e sendesis a vi kontre via jeno. Forsan pro ke la sistemo fole ne agnoskas me kom membron. >============================================================================< Kara Sro Dmitri P. LAPTSIONAK:#2 Advere me ne es matematikisto ma ne-edukito. >============================================================================< Me korektigas me ipsa: ocidar = mortigar vole e vIolEnte, HoLala! Mea fingri tre prizas mistaipar* kontre mea propra nobla volo. Forsan pro ke me esas ebria de multa frapi olim recevita sur la kapo. Wuups! 3[6(a b c d)] esas nek matematiko nek lineara algebro ma tirkesto. e.g. bestio[...leono(a,b), tigro(a,b,c), baleno(a...f), elefanto(a,b)...] fisho[...haringo(a,b,c), makrelo(a,b,c), baleno(a...f)...] Onu povas dicar ke 'fisha baleno' ne esas justa. Anstate*.. 2[...4(a,b), 5(a,b,c), 6(a...f), 7(a,b)...] 3[...4(a,b,c), 5(a,b,c), 6(a...f)...] Lore onu dicas ke 'tria sis' ne esas justa. Ka mea Ido esas justa? (^_^) >============================================================================< Kara Dro Carlo NARDINI:#1 'E molto tempo che mi asp'etta? >============================================================================< Me dankas a vu pro vua specale afabla komplimento. Ma me pavoras de mea manko di kapableso reguloze korespondar en Idolisto. Me anke pavoras de ke ica mala situeso forsan duros dum kelka monati. >============================================================================< Kara Sro Frank KASPER:#1 Me standas bone, to-quon�me anke esperas de vu. >============================================================================< Multega danko pro vua bona laboro. En tre lontana futuro, se Deo lon permisus, me dezirus kun vu fabrikar ampla lernolibro por Germane-parolanti. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Adio! .....sincere via, B.Y.T. .....Idisto ed Idiotisto pro mea limitizita edukado ed anke Ido-Kavaliero kun abundanta hucpo* e numeroza erori ============================================================================== Plez* indikar mea erori pri vorti, gramatiko, dicmaniero ec., nam me esas nura 'ne-edukito' e devas lernar dum ke me vivas. Me sempre esperas, samideani, via amikeso por EXTRA prenar peno de via parto por instruktar me, qua durstas ye savo ulaspecala. Tamen en rara kazo kande me savas plu bone kam vi, me volunte transdonos mea humila savo a vi segun via bezoni. ============================================================================== ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 520 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 26274 invoked by uid 7770); 7 Jun 1999 09:31:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO epmsa001.ep.minsk.by) (194.226.122.227) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 7 Jun 1999 09:31:52 -0000 Received: by epmsa001.ep.minsk.by with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 12:30:12 +0300 Message-ID: <8D76D48EDDD3D211AC3000A0C98212E703A804@epmsa001.ep.minsk.by> From: "Dmitri P. Laptsionak" To: 'IDOLISTO' Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 12:30:12 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Subject: [ido] Texaso Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1251" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Saluti trans-oceana Kara amiki Texasana! Me recevis bonega turisma mapo e guidilo pri Texaso. Do nun me povas 'virtuale' voyajar tra la lando. Ka vu povas dicar en qua parto, urbo vi habitas? Me regardos la mapo e lektos pri via loko. Certe vi ipsa povas sendar ula informo pri ol. Me kun intereso aceptos. En Esperanto ni jokis: 'Ghis rewiedersehen' ('Til rividerzeen') Zmicier Lapcionak ------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 521 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 1896 invoked by uid 7770); 7 Jun 1999 09:54:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO epmsa001.ep.minsk.by) (194.226.122.227) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 7 Jun 1999 09:54:44 -0000 Received: by epmsa001.ep.minsk.by with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 12:54:03 +0300 Message-ID: <8D76D48EDDD3D211AC3000A0C98212E703A805@epmsa001.ep.minsk.by> From: "Dmitri P. Laptsionak" To: 'IDOLISTO' Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 12:54:02 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Subject: [ido] Stranjaji di eGroups Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1251" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Saluti idolistana Me anke remarkis ula stranjaji di nia listo. Exemple jovdie (la 3a di junio) me sendis tri letri: "Pri mulieri", "Pri skandali" e "Pri erori". Me sendis oli ye 13:11, 13:30 e 13:55 (Minska tempo). Ed oli advenis me ye 14:14, 14:07 e 13:56. Do la lasta rivenis maxim rapide (pos un minuto), pos ol la duesma e la unesma sendito venis nur pos un horo! Me ne plendas, ito nur plezigis me. Ma se to relatus ad ula labor-koncerna korespondado, mea chefo ne joyus. Me pregas pardono, sioro Bebson Y. Takata. Me durante ne komprenas vua exempli. Me ne insistas pri plu detala explikajo, ma se to ne esas a vu desfacila, lore voluntez plus-donar. Semblas a me, ke en la listo (kesto) > bestio[... leono(a,b), tigro(a,b,c), ... tigro() esas predikato*, funciono? Ed (a,b,c) - argumenti? Mankas a me dicionario di matemetikala e komputorala vorti. Zmicier Lapcionak ------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 522 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 13246 invoked by uid 7770); 7 Jun 1999 18:21:06 -0000 Received: from www.minitel.net (HELO gmailint2.globalmail.net) (193.252.91.20) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 7 Jun 1999 18:21:06 -0000 Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 20:21:08 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199906071821.UAA11839@gmailint2.globalmail.net> From: jeanmartignon@minitel.net (JEAN MARTIGNON) Reply-To: jeanmartignon@minitel.net To: idolisto@egroups.com (IDOLISTO) MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] Quon onu manjas en Belgia ? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Kara cibernauti, kara sioro Bol, En west-Europa nun onu timas manjar karno, ovi, lakto, butro, fromajo, e mem kuki e yogurti. Maxim mala es la situeso en Belgia. Che televiziono, onu montris Belgi a ni qui nun manjas nur pano e fishaji. Forsan anke li povas manjar frukti e legumi. Ma li ne plus darfas manjar kuki, ho ve ! Me kompras sempre plu multe biologiala produkturi : ovi, fromaji, mandelo-lakto, legumi e frukti. Ito esas vera koshmaro (*) (mala sonjo). Nun, ni ne plus bezonas militi por hungrar. Dioxinale e ciberspacale vin salutas jeanmartignon@minitel.net ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 523 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 25012 invoked by uid 7770); 7 Jun 1999 19:31:29 -0000 Received: from www.minitel.net (HELO gmailint1.globalmail.net) (193.252.91.20) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 7 Jun 1999 19:31:29 -0000 Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 21:30:41 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199906071930.VAA10844@gmailint1.globalmail.net> From: jeanmartignon@minitel.net (JEAN MARTIGNON) Reply-To: jeanmartignon@minitel.net (JEAN MARTIGNON) To: idolisto@egroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] Quon onu manjas en Belgia ? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Kara cibernauti, kara sioro Bol, En west-Europa nun onu timas manjar karno, ovi, lakto, butro, fromajo, e mem kuki e yogurti. Maxim mala es la situeso en Belgia. Che televiziono, onu montris Belgi a ni qui nun manjas nur pano e fishaji. Forsan anke li povas manjar frukti e legumi. Ma li ne plus darfas manjar kuki, ho ve ! Me kompras sempre plu multe biologiala produkturi : ovi, fromaji, mandelo-lakto, legumi e frukti. Ito esas vera koshmaro (*) (mala sonjo). Nun, ni ne plus bezonas militi por hungrar. Dioxinale e ciberspacale vin salutas jeanmartignon@minitel.net ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 524 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 10679 invoked by uid 7770); 7 Jun 1999 21:40:29 -0000 Received: from farida.a2000.nl (HELO smtp1.a2000.nl) (62.108.1.19) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 7 Jun 1999 21:40:29 -0000 Received: from node118d7.a2000.nl ([24.132.24.215] helo=default) by smtp1.a2000.nl with smtp (Exim 2.02 #4) id 10r784-0000b5-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 23:40:24 +0200 Message-ID: <014e01beb12f$49652fe0$d7188418@default.a2000.nl> From: "Ido-Info" To: "idolisto" Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 23:47:06 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Subject: [ido] Probo e "zipper" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kar amiki, Me ne savas quon facar pri la problemo di e-groups, qua posibligas por ni Idolisto. Me anke kelka foyi experiencis ke mesaji ne atingas quik pos sendo, ma mem (un foyo) un dio plu tarda! Anke mea lokala provizerio ne funcionas tro bona, ofte mea 24-hori aperta aceso al interreto semblas blokusita e ne sendas nek recevas mesaji. Me anke ne vidis multa mesaji ca vespero e pro to me timis ke itere mea provizerio es desfuncionanta. Me per sendar ca mesajo me remarkos. Me anke havas questiono, quale nomesas la sistemo di klozo, qua funcionas per du strii de feraji qui ligesas per un metala interplektil(et)o. Se posible, en la GAFHIR-lingui (ed altra): G: Reissverschluss A: zipper F: H: I: R: (P): (NL): rits(sluiting) Saluti amikala, Hans St. ************************************************ Ido, linguo internaciona, absolute vizitez: http://members.tripod.com/~avancigado ************************************************ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 525 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 14687 invoked by uid 7770); 7 Jun 1999 21:46:53 -0000 Received: from farida.a2000.nl (HELO smtp1.a2000.nl) (62.108.1.19) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 7 Jun 1999 21:46:53 -0000 Received: from node118d7.a2000.nl ([24.132.24.215] helo=default) by smtp1.a2000.nl with smtp (Exim 2.02 #4) id 10r7EF-00017B-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 23:46:47 +0200 Message-ID: <015201beb130$2e118800$d7188418@default.a2000.nl> From: "Ido-Info" To: "idolisto" Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 23:53:29 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Subject: [ido] koshmaro*? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kar amiko Jean Martignon, Ultre l' existo dil Idovorto 'inkubo', a qua vu probable referas per koshmaro*, me tre prizas la vorto uzata da vu. Quale es l' espelo Franca? Ol kelke similesas la vorto Angla 'nightmare', la Nederlandana 'nachtmerrie', la Germana 'Nachtmahr'. Do, me supozas ke 'kosh-' esos ula formo di nokto, ka ne? Cetere, en Nederlando omna produkti karna e hanaji es oficale deklarita kom sekura. Saluti amikala, Hans St. ************************************************ Ido, linguo internaciona, absolute vizitez: http://members.tripod.com/~avancigado ************************************************ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 526 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 30531 invoked by uid 7770); 8 Jun 1999 01:47:26 -0000 Received: from mga2.primo.co.jp (210.145.40.130) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 8 Jun 1999 01:47:26 -0000 Received: from mga2.primo.co.jp (unverified [210.145.40.140]) by mga2.primo.co.jp (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Tue, 08 Jun 1999 10:50:47 +0900 Message-ID: From: "Bebson Y. TAKATA" To: "IDOLISTO" Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 10:35:05 +0900 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] Me ne esas matematikisto ma Idiotisto. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kara Sri Cibernauti:#1 Generalajo #2 Linguo #3 Politiko #4 Religio ============================================================================== Kara Sro Hans STUIFBERGEN:#1 Ondervinding is de beste leermeesteres. ============================================================================== Me recevis vua letro. Multa danko pro vua kustumala afableso. Me prizas omna trublo e problemi, nam li povus facar me kom plu saja. ============================================================================== Kara Sro Dmitri P. LAPTSIONAK:#2 Me esas Idiotisto ma tre proxim idioto. ============================================================================== Wuuuups! 3[6(a b c d)] ed altri esas nek matematiko nek funcioni nek predikati ma simpla tirkesti o 'matryoshki*' o nur buxi qui male aspektas matematiko. bestio[...leono(a,b), tigro(a,b,c), baleno(a...f), elefanto(a,b)...] fisho[...haringo(a,b,c), makrelo(a,b,c), baleno(a...f)...] e.g. ....elefanto(afrika, india)... bebson(kungfuisto, idioto,..., Idiotisto)... Onu povas dicar ke 'fisha baleno' ne esas justa. Anstate*.. 2[...4(a,b), 5(a,b,c), 6(a...f), 7(a,b)...] 3[...4(a,b,c), 5(a,b,c), 6(a...f)...] Do 3 hike en 'tria sis' ne esas nombro ma nomo, qua indikas la rango. 'Tria dek' es nombro, qua trovesas en la duesma kolono (deka kolono) ma nur en la rango nomata kom tri. (='tria rango', ma nenecese 'triesma rango') Segun normala defino: kolono:......4ma....3ma...2ma...1ma ///////.....mila, centa, deka, baza. rango: 1ma:una...................10......1 2ma:dua...................20......2 3ma:tria..................30......3 4ma:quara.................40......4 5ma:kina..................50......5 Segun fola defino da Bebson: kolono:......4ma....3ma...2ma...1ma ///////.....mila, centa, deka, baza. rango: 1ma:baza..........................0 2ma:una...................10......1 3ma:dua...................20......2 4ma:tria..................30......3 5ma:quara.................40......4 6ma:kina..................50......5 Hike 'tria' esas en la '4ma' rango! Ka me esas justa o idiota? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Adio! .....sincere via, B.Y.T. .....Idisto ed Idiotisto pro mea limitizita edukado ed anke Ido-Kavaliero kun abundanta hucpo* e numeroza erori ============================================================================== Plez* indikar mea erori pri vorti, gramatiko, dicmaniero ec., nam me esas nura ne-edukito e devas lernar dum ke me vivas. Me sempre esperas, samideani, via amikeso por EXTRA prenar peno de via parto por instruktar me, qua durstas ye savo ulaspecala. Tamen en rara kazo kande me savas plu bone kam vi, me volunte transdonos mea humila savo a vi segun via bezoni. ============================================================================== ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 527 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 1837 invoked by uid 7770); 8 Jun 1999 07:41:12 -0000 Received: from lince.lander.es (195.76.46.35) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 8 Jun 1999 07:41:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 3353 invoked from network); 8 Jun 1999 07:41:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ppp-47-245.lander.es) (195.76.47.245) by lince.lander.es with SMTP; 8 Jun 1999 07:41:01 -0000 X-Sender: joser@lince.lander.es X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 To: idolisto@egroups.com From: "j.m.rodriguez" Subject: [ido] Dento-Stango Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kar Amiko HANS: En la hispana linguo la angla vorto zipper esas: CREMALLERA (prononcez kremajera). Ma, ta vorto ja existas en Ido, en la Hispana/Ido Vortaro da Pedro Marcilla aparas Dento-Stango. Saluti kordiala de Hispania. Jose Maria Rodriguez Hernandez joser@lander.es ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 528 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 8742 invoked by uid 7770); 8 Jun 1999 17:00:01 -0000 Received: from mail.utfors.se (195.58.103.125) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 8 Jun 1999 17:00:01 -0000 Received: from md4690b9a.utfors.se (md4690b9a.utfors.se [212.105.11.154]) by mail.utfors.se (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id SAA26377 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 18:59:58 +0200 (MET DST) To: idolisto@egroups.com (idolisto) In-Reply-To: <001801beb04e$8a8ebae0$d7188418@default.a2000.nl> From: loerne@ling.gu.se (Christer Loernemark) Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 18:59:52 +0100 Message-ID: <19990608185952981165@md4690b9a.utfors.se> Organization: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?G=F6teborg?= University X-Mailer: MacSOUP 2.2b3 Subject: [ido] Re: internacioneso Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hans Stuifbergen skribis: >Me havas questiono por vu ed altra Idisti de ne-Angla linguala nacioni. >Hike en Nederlando tituli di filmi ne-Nederlandana sempre es tradukita >aden l' Angla. Mem de filmi en qui es parolata altra linguo kam l' >Angla. Tale la filmi Chiniana automate recevas titulo Angla, dum ke la >filmo es parolata Chiniane e subtitulizita Nederlandane. Me ne savas la >motivo. Ofte anke pekunio stranjera es tradukita aden dolari, quale se >ni ne komprenas ke en Chinia es pagata per "yuan", o quale se ni ne es >kapabla transkalkular la sumo aden florini. Ka tale anke es en altra >landi? La Nederlandala exemplo quan vu citis semblas extrema. En Suedia on ne tradukas la tituli di Usana filmi, ma la filmi esas subtextizita. Tamen, granda parto dil spektantaro ne bezonas la tradukuri dil dialogi. (En Suedia aranjesas du internaciona film-festivali, en G"oteborg e en Stockholm. Ibe montresas filmi de maxim diversa landi, ma la subtexti esas sempre Anglalinguala se on ne parolas la Angla en la filmo.) Se montresus exemple Franca od Italiana filmo en televiziono o (rarege) en kino e la titulo e la subtexti esas tradukita ad-en la Sueda. La valuti ne konvertesas a dolari, euri* o Sueda kroni, segun mea savo. (Me tre rare iras a kino e nulatempe regardas televiziono, trovante Interreto multe plu valora okupeso kam televiziono.) :-) Saluti Christer L"ornemark ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 529 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 3884 invoked by uid 7770); 8 Jun 1999 17:39:04 -0000 Received: from www.minitel.net (HELO gmailint1.globalmail.net) (193.252.91.20) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 8 Jun 1999 17:39:04 -0000 Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 19:39:00 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199906081739.TAA05628@gmailint1.globalmail.net> From: jeanmartignon@minitel.net (JEAN MARTIGNON) Reply-To: jeanmartignon@minitel.net To: idolisto@egroups.com (IDOLISTO) MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] Zipper Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Kara cibernauti, kara Hans, En la Franca la vorto zipper tradukesas per : fermeture eclair. Me ne savas quale tradukar ad Ido, ma dento-stango ne esas mala. Onu povus anke forsan krear la vorto zipero (*). Koncerne la vorto koshmaro (*) me propozas ol, pro ke la vorto inkubo esas ambigua, nome dum la Mezepoko onu konsideris ke inkubo esis diablo maskula qua obsedis dum nokto la mulieri. Do, mea-opinione esas plu bona uzar mala sonjo, od anke krear altra vorto t.e. koshmaro (*). En la Franca la vorto "cauchemar" nule relatas kun nokto ma forsan kun kushar (coucher). Me propozis la vorto koshmaro nam en Espo la problemo anke existas e Germana profesoro propozis la vorto koshmaro. Do, forsan ica vorto povus esar uzebla. Ma, inkubo esas problema vorto e do pro to esas un ek la rara kazi de reformenda vorti qui existas vere en nia linguo. Ciberspacale ed amike vin salutas jeanmartignon@minitel.net ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 530 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 10618 invoked by uid 7770); 8 Jun 1999 20:04:40 -0000 Received: from farida.a2000.nl (HELO smtp1.a2000.nl) (62.108.1.19) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 8 Jun 1999 20:04:40 -0000 Received: from node118d7.a2000.nl ([24.132.24.215] helo=default) by smtp1.a2000.nl with smtp (Exim 2.02 #4) id 10rS6q-0003CL-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 22:04:32 +0200 Message-ID: <003f01beb1eb$0fed6680$d7188418@default.a2000.nl> From: "Ido-Info" To: "idolisto" Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 22:11:14 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Subject: [ido] koshmaro*, dento-stango, subtextizo Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kar amiki, Danko pro via komenti koncernante la vorti bezonata da me. Me opinionas koshmaro* bela vorto, me lektis ke '-mar' signifikis en la mez-epokala Nederlandana: fantomo noktala, me pensas ke same kam en l' Angla o Germana. "kosh-" de 'kushar' anke es tre komprenebla, do me pensas ke ta vorto facile povas adoptesar dal Idisti. Dento-stango kom klozilo di pantaloni o manteli semblas kelke longe, anke me klinas ad aceptar zipo* kom la moyeno di klozo e kom verbo derivata: zipagar*. Me preferas 'zip' pro la sono, onomatopeo. E subtextizo, uzita da Christer Loernemark, efektive es multe plu klara kam subtituli quin uzesas en la Nederlandana ed Angla, nam ne vere koncernas tituli, ka ne? Me regretas lektir en la mesajo da Christer ke apene es montrata filmi Franca od Italiana en Suedia, recente me vidis ecelanta filmi de ta landi. Hike relative multe filmi de landi ne-Angla-linguala es montrata, ma ne es tro granda surprizo, me vivas en Amsterdam, ube filmi es montrata de omna landi. Me konjektas ke es la sama en Stockholm, ka ne? Cetere Christer, pardonez me por remarkar kelka Esperantaji en vua mesajo. Ka vu posedas apta dicionario Ido-Sueda/Sueda-Ido? Se me darfas konsilar a vu, siorino Kerstin Akerlund donacas ti gratuite ad omna Suedo interesata pri Ido. Semblas a me ke vu es sat interesata pri Ido, ka ne? Pro quo ne skribar ad el? (El probable nur kalkulas l' afrankuro). La dicionarii es tre dik ed utila. Se vu deziras me povas sendar a vu lua adreso o telefononumero. Forsan vu ja posedas oli ed es ca mesajo superflua. Talakaze, pardonez me pro mea mixemeso. Saluti amikala, Hans St. ************************************************ Ido, linguo internaciona, absolute vizitez: http://members.tripod.com/~avancigado ************************************************ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 531 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 31961 invoked by uid 7770); 8 Jun 1999 23:53:41 -0000 Received: from dipobox.sis.it (193.70.16.1) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 8 Jun 1999 23:53:41 -0000 Received: from lizard [193.70.17.38] with smtp by dipobox.sis.it with smtp (Smail-3.2.0.101 1997-Dec-17 #8 #8) id m10rWe0-0008muC; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 01:55:04 +0100 (GMT+0100) Message-Id: Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 01:55:04 +0100 (GMT+0100) X-Sender: narcar@mailserver.sis.it X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 To: idolisto@egroups.com From: Nardini Carlo Subject: [ido] zip.o* Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Kar Hans Stuifbergen, en mea propra listo di nova radiki me ja hav= is, inkluzita, la radiko "zip.o*", kun la sequanta GAFHIR: G Reissverschl= =FCsse, Zipp A zip(-fastener), zipper F fermeture =E9clair, zip H cremaller= a I cerniera lampo, zip R molniia (Franca "=E9clair", Italiana "lampo", Ru= sa "molniia" esas omna, me kredas, Ido "fulmino") Kordiale = Carlo Nardini ----------------------------------------------------------= -------------- eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto htt= p://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 532 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 16500 invoked by uid 7770); 9 Jun 1999 08:42:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO epmsa001.ep.minsk.by) (194.226.122.227) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 9 Jun 1999 08:42:55 -0000 Received: by epmsa001.ep.minsk.by with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 11:42:41 +0300 Message-ID: <8D76D48EDDD3D211AC3000A0C98212E703A80A@epmsa001.ep.minsk.by> From: "Dmitri P. Laptsionak" To: 'IDOLISTO' Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 11:42:40 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Subject: [ido] Re: Zipper Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1251" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Saluti komparala Sioro J. M. Rodriguez, me pregas pardono. Me sendis ica letro a vu vice sendar ad Idolisto. En la Rusa linguo la angla vorto 'zipper' esas: zastyozhka-molnia tradukesas en Ido buklo-fulmino. 'koshmaro' - esas en la Rusa linguo juste en tala formo. Me trovis 'Lexiko di Nova Vorti' en tereno da James Chandler, kompilita da Camiel De Cock. Ta vort-provizon me adjuntos a mea dicionario. Ma me pensas ke to certe ne esas kompleta listo di nova vorti. Ibe esas vorto 'altisto : ta qua pleas alto'. Do 'alto' esas muzikal instrumento. Ma segun KGD 'alto' - ta qua esas alta (giganto). Me memoras, ke ula Idisti laboras sive pri nova lerno-libri, gramatiki, sive pri vortari. Ka me povas helpar? Me esas preta e tre volas. Esus anke bona ideo - kompilar temala vortari por komencanti - exemple kelka vorti pri domo, meblo, manjilaro, vesto. Pri bestii - nomi di animali, fishi, birdi, insekti. Pri homo - nomi di korpo-parti. Etp. Zmicier Lapcionak ------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 533 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 19144 invoked by uid 7770); 9 Jun 1999 10:46:53 -0000 Received: from mout0.01019freenet.de (62.104.201.5) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 9 Jun 1999 10:46:53 -0000 Received: from [62.104.201.2] (helo=mx1.01019freenet.de) by mout0.01019freenet.de with esmtp (Exim 3.02 #1) id 10rfsj-00062w-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Wed, 09 Jun 1999 12:46:53 +0200 Received: from [212.81.175.214] (helo=www) by mx1.01019freenet.de with smtp (Exim 3.02 #1) id 10rfsP-0004iv-01 for idolisto@egroups.com; Wed, 09 Jun 1999 12:46:34 +0200 Message-ID: <000001beb265$48f35460$d6af51d4@fen.baynet.de> From: "Frank Kasper" To: "Idolisto (Mesaji)" Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 11:34:55 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Subject: [ido] Re: Telefonado kun James Chandler Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000D_01BEB26C.18BCEFC0" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01BEB26C.18BCEEFC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" content-transfer-encoding: 7bit content-type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Kara amiki! Me volas informar vi, ke me hiere telefonis kun James Chandler. Me quik atingis lu sub la telefonnumero, quo lu explikis a ni per lua lasta mesajo ad "Idolisto". James maxim kordiale salutas vi omni. Lu tre indijas la kontakto ad altra idisti per "Idolisto". Pro to lu tre esperas, ke lu povos rikonekteskar a l'interreto tam balde kam posible e lore retrovenar a nia rondo. Regretinde lu ankore ne trovis laboro e konseque ne posedas la financala moyeni por komprar su komputilo. Omnakaze lu deziras multa plezuro ad omna membri che "Idolisto" per vivanta diskuti ed anke uzante la babilbuxo kam nova moyeno di interkomunikado per nia kara Ido-linguo. Anke me maxim kordiale salutas vi omni! Frank Kasper frank.kasper@01019freenet.de ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01BEB26C.18BCEEFC0-- From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 534 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 5036 invoked by uid 7770); 9 Jun 1999 19:38:45 -0000 Received: from smtp1.gte.net (207.115.153.30) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 9 Jun 1999 19:38:45 -0000 Received: from someone (1Cust84.tnt3.dfw5.da.uu.net [153.36.194.84]) by smtp1.gte.net with ESMTP for ; id OAA03333 Wed, 9 Jun 1999 14:38:43 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <004b01beb2af$5c12a7e0$54c22499@someone> Reply-To: "Kurt Hager" From: "Kurt Hager" To: Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 14:36:16 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3115.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Subject: [ido] Ne tovarishch ed c. Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0048_01BEB285.6ED1F2C0" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ------=_NextPart_000_0048_01BEB285.6ED1FF2C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Kara S-ro Lapcionak: Quo esas la vorto en vua linguo kun la senco 'confrer= e'? Ni pensis ke ol esis 'to- varishch' ma vu dicis a ni ke ica ne esas la = vorto. Vu questionis pri Amanda. Yes, Amanda esas muliero. Ni havas du m= ulieri en nia grupo, Susan ed Amanda. (Susan esas a me tre importanta.) En= nordala Texaso ni havas multa religii ma ni esas katolika. Kelka hike esas= ortodoxa, altra texasani esas protestanta. Tamen plu texasani esas katolik= a kam ortodoxa o protestanta pro ke Texaso esis unfoye parto de la katolika= naciono Mexikia. = Kordiale, = Kurt E. 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En nordala Texaso ni havas multa religii ma ni e= sas katolika. Kelka hike esas ortodoxa, altra texasani esas pro= testanta. Tamen plu texasani esas katolika
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------=_NextPart_000_0048_01BEB285.6ED1FF2C0-- From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 535 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 25295 invoked by uid 7770); 9 Jun 1999 20:52:29 -0000 Received: from law-f18.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (209.185.131.81) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 9 Jun 1999 20:52:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 12924 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jun 1999 20:46:16 -0000 Message-ID: <19990609204616.12923.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 200.44.1.244 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 09 Jun 1999 13:46:16 PDT From: Daniel Alberto Alegrett To: idolisto@egroups.com Date: Wed, 09 Jun 1999 16:46:16 VET Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] Re: Zipper Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit En Venezuela, ni dicas "cierre". ______________________________________________________ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 536 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 2853 invoked by uid 7770); 10 Jun 1999 10:48:46 -0000 Received: from epmsa001.ep.minsk.by (194.226.122.227) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 10 Jun 1999 10:48:46 -0000 Received: by epmsa001.ep.minsk.by with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 13:48:36 +0300 Message-ID: <8D76D48EDDD3D211AC3000A0C98212E703A80F@epmsa001.ep.minsk.by> From: "Dmitri P. Laptsionak" To: 'IDOLISTO' Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 13:48:26 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Subject: [ido] Re: Ne tovarishch ed c. Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Saluto ad omni. Kara Kurt Hager e la Texasa grupo. Yes vu esas prava, la Angla vorto 'confrere' tradukesas kom 'amiko, kolego, kompano'. La Rusa 'tovarishch' esas en la Angla 'comrade; friend; companion; colleague; helpmate'. To esas segun vortari, ma nun en reala vivo onu dicas 'tovarishch' nur pri burokrati o komunisti, qua dum Soveta tempo misuzis la bona vorto kun signifiko 'kunlaboranto', 'amiko'. Transdonez mea bondeziri ad omna en via Texasa grupo. Precipue a la mulieri - eli esas rarajo e belajo en nia mondo. Me provis lernigar internaciona linguo a mea Irena. Ma elu ne volis studiar Esperanto e nun ne deziras Ido. Ha! Nia futura infanti ne eskapos mea influo :-) Kara Idisti. Quale esas plu korekte dicar: 1a) Me provis lernigar internaciona linguo a mea Irena. 1b) Me provis lernigar mea Irena pri internaciona linguo. 1c) Me provis igar mea Irena lernar internaciona linguo. 2a) Me provis igar mea Irena Idistino. 2b) Me provis igar mea Irena esar Idistino. 2c) Me provis igar ke mea Irena esez Idistino. 3a) Me provis instruktar internaciona linguo a mea Irena. 3a) Me provis instruktar mea Irena pri internaciona linguo. Kun estimo Zmicier. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 537 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 3058 invoked by uid 7770); 10 Jun 1999 12:48:38 -0000 Received: from law-f199.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (209.185.130.109) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 10 Jun 1999 12:48:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 406 invoked by uid 0); 10 Jun 1999 12:48:36 -0000 Message-ID: <19990610124836.405.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 159.15.128.3 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 05:48:36 PDT From: James Chandler To: idolisto@egroups.com Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 12:48:36 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] me retrovenas Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kar amiki Me jus obtenis Hotmail-adreso e nun riadheras ad Idolisto. Me esperas ke me povos reguloze kontributar a nia forumo. Me kontaktos kelka idisti balde pri diversa aferi. Me standas bone, ma povre. Me ne ja kontrolis l'arkivi por saveskar pri la nuna temi di diskuto hike, do prego pardonez se me ne skribas pluse nun. Kun kordial saluti ad omni James Chandler idojc@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 538 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 31227 invoked by uid 7770); 10 Jun 1999 13:29:38 -0000 Received: from epmsa001.ep.minsk.by (194.226.122.227) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 10 Jun 1999 13:29:38 -0000 Received: by epmsa001.ep.minsk.by with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 16:29:18 +0300 Message-ID: <8D76D48EDDD3D211AC3000A0C98212E703A815@epmsa001.ep.minsk.by> From: "Dmitri P. Laptsionak" To: 'IDOLISTO' , "'xavo@bbvnet.com'" Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 16:29:15 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Subject: [ido] Re: UTL Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1251" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Saluto Marcos! Me serchis tra la Internet pri logikala lingui. E trovis ke ja existas almene* du projeti pri la temo. To esas la lingui 'Loglan' http://www.halcyon.com/loglan/ e 'Lojban' http://www.lojban.org/ Ka vu savas pri li? Semblas a me ke tala lingui esas precipue apta por per-mashina tradukado. Ma Ido, Esperanto, ed altra simila esas por homi. Me kun intereso rigardus irga info pri vua linguo. Ka ol esas trovebla irgaloke en la reto? Vu demandis pri quo me laboras. Me esas developanto di programaro pri konservado ed analizado di datumi relatanta ad Internet aktivado di ula uzero. La datumi* esas pozata en datum-bazo* (MS SQL Server 7.0). Zmicier Lapcionak ------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 539 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 32290 invoked by uid 7770); 10 Jun 1999 13:31:12 -0000 Received: from law-f155.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (209.185.131.218) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 10 Jun 1999 13:31:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 11779 invoked by uid 0); 10 Jun 1999 13:31:12 -0000 Message-ID: <19990610133112.11778.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 159.15.128.3 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 06:31:12 PDT From: James Chandler To: idolisto@egroups.com Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 13:31:12 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] plusa mesajo Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kar amiki Me vere joyas pri la nombro di nova partoprenanti di ca forumo. Me salutas omna nova membri e deziras a li omna suceso pri lernar Ido ed uzar ol. Quale Frank explikis, ni interparolis per telefono ye mardio, mea unesma okaziono por parolar Ido dum multa tempo. Tamen me kredas ke ni bone interkomprenis. Sro Hager: ka vu nun havas l'informo quan vu demandis? Prego rikontaktez me che Hotmail se vu havas ankore demandi. James Chandler idojc@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 540 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 22140 invoked by uid 7770); 10 Jun 1999 16:54:23 -0000 Received: from mout00.kundenserver.de (195.20.224.69) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 10 Jun 1999 16:54:23 -0000 Received: from [195.20.224.67] (helo=mx00.kundenserver.de) by mout00.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 10s85v-0000zh-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 18:54:23 +0200 Received: from [212.122.135.205] (helo=www) by mx00.kundenserver.de with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 10s85r-0002xo-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 18:54:20 +0200 Message-ID: <000d01beb361$d2ee8840$cd877ad4@fen.baynet.de> From: "Frank Kasper" To: "Idolisto (Mesaji)" Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 18:52:57 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Subject: [ido] Re: Mea elektrona postfako Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000A_01BEB372.746B8640" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01BEB372.746B88640 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" content-transfer-encoding: 7bit content-type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Kara amiki! Quale altri da vi anke de tempo a tempo experiencas tale anke mea interret-servo,ube situesas mea e-postfako frank.kasper@01019freenet.de ya depos kelka dii havas teknikala problemi. Til hodie matine me adminime ankore povis uzar mea postfako, ma nun ol anke trubleskis. Pro to me devas uzar un de mea altra servi. Felicoze mea e-postfako frank.kasper@idolinguo.de prezente funcionas. Pro to me pregas omni, qui hodie ya sendis mesajo a mea altra postfako sendar ol ankorfoye ad ica adreso, per qua me anke riabonis che Idolisto. Me tre regretas ta situeso, nam preske omnadie trubleskas un de mea interret-servi. Du de mea servi me ya ne plus povas uzar depos kelka semani. La kauzo por ta duranta trubladi segun mea opiniono esas, ke la kompanii en Germania durante testas nova versimile ne funcionata funcioni por ganar plu alta profito de la uzeri e konseque fine nula plus funcionas ecepte la pagado dil kontributo. Kun la maxim kordiala ed amikala saluti a vi omni! Frank Kasper frank.kasper@idolinguo.de ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01BEB372.746B88640-- From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 541 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 28571 invoked by uid 7770); 10 Jun 1999 21:41:57 -0000 Received: from law-f92.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (209.185.131.155) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 10 Jun 1999 21:41:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 10958 invoked by uid 0); 10 Jun 1999 21:41:58 -0000 Message-ID: <19990610214158.10957.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 194.83.240.16 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 14:41:58 PDT From: James Chandler To: idolisto@egroups.com Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 21:41:58 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] Re: Fwd: me retrovenas Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Marcos skribis: >Saluto, James. Me tre joyas pri vua retroveno. Me vere esperas ke vu >durigez e developez vua Idistala ed *auxlinguala laboro, quale vu >faradis antee. Danko, Marcos, pro vua bonveniganta vorti. Me duris mea diversa labori por Ido e pri interlingui mem dum absenteso de la reto, exemple skribante plura artikli por Progreso ed Ido-Vivo. Mea aktiveso nun esos restriktita, nam me ne povos administrar mea pagini, ma me povos regardar ti di altri e partoprenar diskuti hike e che Auxlang (qua semblante esabas silencoza recente - ka vera?). Me joyas trovar Marcos hike che Idolisto lor mea retroveno. Kordiale, James Chandler idojc@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 542 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 22451 invoked by uid 7770); 10 Jun 1999 21:33:04 -0000 Received: from mu.egroups.com (207.138.41.151) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 10 Jun 1999 21:33:04 -0000 Received: from [10.1.2.24] by mu.egroups.com with NNFMP; 10 Jun 1999 22:33:04 -0000 X-Mailer: www.eGroups.com Message Poster MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <7jpauc$jrnd@eGroups.com> Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 21:33:00 -0000 From: chandler@maths.ex.ac.uk To: idolisto@egroups.com Subject: [ido] Fwd: Bibliografio di Ido Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Begin forwarded message: Original Article: http://www.egroups.com/group/auxlang/?start=14902 The Universala Esperanto-Asocio is now carrying the following work (according to "Laste aperis" in the May issue of "Esperanto"): Bibliografio di Ido. Tazio Carlevaro (1945), Reinhard Haupenthal (1945). Bellinzona/Saarbruecken: Hans Dubois/Iltis, 1999. 193p. ISBN 3 932807 04 9 and 88 87282 01 3. 30cm. Lists -- by year of appearance and author or title -- as complete as possible of books in or about Ido, and of periodicals. 19.80 Euros. (The Euro was worth about $1.04, last time I checked.) -- Don HARLOW http://www.webcom.com/~donh/ (English version: http://www.webcom.com/~donh/dona.html) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 543 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 19433 invoked by uid 7770); 11 Jun 1999 04:48:33 -0000 Received: from mga2.primo.co.jp (210.145.40.130) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 11 Jun 1999 04:48:32 -0000 Received: from mga2.primo.co.jp (unverified [210.145.40.140]) by mga2.primo.co.jp (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 13:52:06 +0900 Message-ID: From: "Bebson Y. TAKATA" To: "IDOLISTO" Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 13:36:43 +0900 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] Welcome home! Ido-ArkiKavaliero. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kara Sri Cibernauti:#1 Generalajo #2 Linguo #3 Politiko #4 Religio ============================================================================== Kara Sro James CHANDLER:#1 Welcome home! Ido-ArkiKavaliero. ============================================================================== Nun me povos itere lernar multo pri Ido de vu quale antee. HoLala! Me instruktas hike kelka personi pri kelka kozi quin me ne bone savas. HoLala! Nam tote mankas suficanta nombri de instruktanti por omna komencanti. Tamen vu ne es por komencanti, vu es por serioza lernanti quala me. Capisci? ============================================================================== Kara Sro Dmitri P. LAPTSIONAK:#2 Vua spozino, mea spozino. (^_^);;;;; ============================================================================== Anke mea spozino lernas nek stranjera lingui nek Ido ma nur parolas Japone. >Kara Idisti. Quale esas plu korektA dicar: >1a) Me proBis lernigar internaciona linguo a mea Irena. >1b) Me proBis lernigar mea Irena pri internaciona linguo. >1c) Me proBis igar mea Irena lernar internaciona linguo. Me dicas.... Me proBis lernigar internaciona linguo DA mea Irena. Me proBis igar mea Irena lernar internaciona linguo. Regretinde onu ne darfas dicar quale 1b. >2a) Me proBis igar mea Irena Idistino. >2b) Me proBis igar mea Irena esar Idistino. >2c) Me proBis igar ke mea Irena esez Idistino. 2c es la maxim bona e 2b es okida* ma 2a es mala. Ma me dicus.. Me esforcis ke mea Irena esez Idistino. >3a) Me proBis instruktar internaciona linguo a mea Irena. >3b) Me proBis instruktar mea Irena pri internaciona linguo. Quale antee Sro Zeno EXE e me multe diskutadis pri 'kalkular' e 'komputar', esas kelka anguli inter Europani per ta-qui onu regardas sua verbi. Funciono[Verbo]-kalkular o komputar(problemo? o respondo?)=rezulto Me kalkulas/komputas la problemo dum ke Sro Zeno EXE verbagas la respondo. Japona: kalkular la respondo - kotae wo keisansuru Angla: kalkular la respondo - calculate the answer Germana: kalkular la problemo - die Aufgabe rechnen Me supozas ke F, HP, I e R esas quale en l'Angla. Plez* altri instruktar me. Ca-kaze nur la Germana esas tante logikoza tra l'angulo di matematiko, ka ne? Yen vua triesma/tria questiono. 3a segun l'Angla e 3b segun la Rusa, ka ne? En "teach somebody something" somebody es en dativo e something en akuzativo. Do en "I teach you Ido" 'you' ne es 'vu' ma 'a vu'. Ma en la Germana la kozo esas poke diferanta. Ich lehre jn/jm etw. Amba 'Sie' ed 'Ihnen' es okida*. Pluse semblas a me ke en GAFHIR sole l'Angla iras en la unika voyo di 3a. Tamen me opinionas l'amba manieri kom justa, nam pri 'quale apte uzar verbi' nur la uzado en ula longa tempo da kompetenta Idisti lente decidos omno. Nun me dicas ke me komputas problemi, instruktas komencanti e vu dankas a me. Ma forsan en futuro me povus komputar respondi, dankante Sro Zeno Exe, ed instruktus la bona maniero da Zeno pri l'uzado di verbi 'ad' altra Idisti. Omno dependas de la majoritala uzado da bona Idisti, nam lo es tote pri stilo. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Adio! .....sincere via, B.Y.T. .....Idisto ed Idiotisto pro mea limitizita edukado ed anke Ido-Kavaliero kun abundanta hucpo* e numeroza erori ============================================================================== Plez* indikar mea erori pri vorti, gramatiko, dicmaniero ec., nam me esas nura ne-edukito e devas lernar dum ke me vivas. Me sempre esperas, samideani, via amikeso por EXTRA prenar peno de via parto por instruktar me, qua durstas ye savo ulaspecala. "Do me PREGAS IDOLani donacar via amikeso, pri qua me volas QUESTIONAR vi ed anke quan me kordiale DEMANDAS de vi." Tamen en rara kazo kande me savas plu bone kam vi, me volunte transdonos mea humila savo a vi segun via bezoni. ============================================================================== ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 544 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 25449 invoked by uid 7770); 11 Jun 1999 10:32:47 -0000 Received: from spartacus.a2000.nl (HELO smtp2.a2000.nl) (62.108.1.20) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 11 Jun 1999 10:32:47 -0000 Received: from node118d7.a2000.nl ([24.132.24.215] helo=default) by smtp2.a2000.nl with smtp (Exim 2.02 #4) id 10sOc9-000220-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 12:32:45 +0200 Message-ID: <000d01beb3f6$b0c9e260$d7188418@default.a2000.nl> From: "Ido-Info" To: "idolisto" Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 12:39:31 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Subject: [ido] mesaji da konocata Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kar amiki, Me konstatis ke B.Y.T. es plene ripartoprenanta la forumo ed anke ke James Chandler riadjuntis su. Tre bon afero. Me deziris skibar "hola, vizaji konocata, ma cakaze ne povis skribar altre kam "hola, mesaji da konocati". Nu, me tre joyas pri to. L' emiserio televizionala qua telefonis a me recente, pri Ido, serchis temi por la programi dum la somero. El, la muliero serchanta temi por Veronika (nomo di la emiserio), lektis l' artiklo pri la konfero en Bakkum en anciena jurnalo e pensis ke Ido povus esar bona temo (juste, segun me). Me dicis a lu omno pri Ido, el respondis ke li, la programoredakterio, anke parolos pri lo. Me ankore "audos", do, skeptike quale me es, me vartas. Tamen, me esis pensinta, forsan me devus esir 'spicizinta' mea naraco pri Ido, el questionis pri aktivesi dal Idisti. Ka ni ne devas pensar pri agado remarkinda dal Idisti, agado tante remarkinda ke mencionesos en jurnali e televiziono? Es nula problemo se l' ago duktas a nulo, ol sempre duktos a publikeso. Saluti amikala, Hans St. ************************************************ Ido, linguo internaciona, absolute vizitez: http://members.tripod.com/~avancigado ************************************************ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 545 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 27218 invoked by uid 7770); 11 Jun 1999 10:35:22 -0000 Received: from spartacus.a2000.nl (HELO smtp2.a2000.nl) (62.108.1.20) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 11 Jun 1999 10:35:22 -0000 Received: from node118d7.a2000.nl ([24.132.24.215] helo=default) by smtp2.a2000.nl with smtp (Exim 2.02 #4) id 10sOee-0002FQ-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 12:35:20 +0200 Message-ID: <001301beb3f7$0d903080$d7188418@default.a2000.nl> From: "Ido-Info" To: "idolisto" Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 12:42:07 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Subject: [ido] cierre Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kar amiko Daniel Alberto Alegrett, Ka "cierre" ne es vorto generala, por omna tipi di klozo, derivate de la verbo "cerrar"? Saluti amikala, Hans St. ************************************************ Ido, linguo internaciona, absolute vizitez: http://members.tripod.com/~avancigado ************************************************ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 546 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 28222 invoked by uid 7770); 11 Jun 1999 10:37:17 -0000 Received: from mout00.kundenserver.de (195.20.224.69) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 11 Jun 1999 10:37:17 -0000 Received: from [195.20.224.67] (helo=mx00.kundenserver.de) by mout00.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 10sOgU-00046w-00; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 12:37:14 +0200 Received: from [212.81.174.14] (helo=www) by mx00.kundenserver.de with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 10sOgC-000230-00; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 12:36:56 +0200 Message-ID: <000e01beb3f6$441053c0$0eae51d4@fen.baynet.de> From: "Frank Kasper" To: "Manfred Magin" , "Idolisto (Mesaji)" Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 12:32:54 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Subject: [ido] Re. Unesma elektrona edituro di Ido-revuo Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0005_01BEB406.878E3580" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01BEB406.878E33580 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" content-transfer-encoding: 7bit content-type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Kara amiki! Me volas saveskigar vi, ke me jus pozis l'elektrona edituro di "Letro Internaciona" mayo-junio 1999 a la sequanta interret-tereno: http://www.online.de/home/Ido-Germania/LetroInternaciona.htm Me deziras a vi agreabla regardo e tre joyus recevar via komeni e propozi plubonigar l'aspekto di nia unesma elektrona revuo! Me kreis specala tereno por futura edituri di elektrona Ido-revuo, quo regretinde erste esos pronta pos du semani. Kun la maxim kordiala ed amikala saluti dezirante agreabla semanofino a vi omni! Frank Kasper frank.kasper@idolinguo.de ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01BEB406.878E33580-- From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 547 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 24984 invoked by uid 7770); 11 Jun 1999 21:05:30 -0000 Received: from law-f134.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (209.185.131.197) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 11 Jun 1999 21:05:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 90530 invoked by uid 0); 11 Jun 1999 21:05:29 -0000 Message-ID: <19990611210529.90529.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 150.185.72.5 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 14:05:29 PDT From: Daniel Alberto Alegrett To: idolisto@egroups.com Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 17:05:29 VET Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] Re: Cierre Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yes, "cierre" esas generala vorto. Ni la hispani prizas sparar. La tota expreso esas "cierre de cremallera" (de franca "cremalliere"). En Hispanio esas "cremallera" ed en Venezuelo esas "cierre". Ni la hispani esas indolenta! :-) ______________________________________________________ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 548 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 2335 invoked by uid 7770); 12 Jun 1999 00:23:37 -0000 Received: from hermes2.pl.fth.net (HELO smtp-out.fth.net) (193.252.85.226) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 12 Jun 1999 00:23:37 -0000 Received: from gmailint2.globalmail.net (www.minitel.net [193.252.91.20]) by smtp-out.fth.net (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA24166; Sat, 12 Jun 1999 02:23:36 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 01:44:33 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199906112344.BAA16701@gmailint2.globalmail.net> From: martignonjean@lemel.fr (Jean Martignon) To: idolisto@egroups.com Reply-To: martignonjean@lemel.fr (Jean Martignon) Errors-To: martignonjean@lemel.fr (Jean Martignon) MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] Ka "emiserio" existas ? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Kara cibernauti, Me komprenis bone la vorto "emiserio" da nia amiko Hans, ma ica vorto, me kredas, ne existas en Ido. Omnakaze la sufixo -erio indikas loko. Me serchis en mea dicionarii e ne trovis la vorto, ma tamen semblas ke esas solvuri (adminime provizora). Por radio on uzas la vorto brodkasto. Se parolesas pri televiziono onu povas uzar la vorto televionala difuzo, nam me lektis por brodkastar : radiodifuzar. Do, kara Hans voluntez indikar a ni se vua interviuvo esas brodkasto o televizionala difuzo. Predanko. Ciberspacale, brodkastale e televizionale difuzante vin salutas. martignonjean@lemel.net ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 549 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 25495 invoked by uid 7770); 12 Jun 1999 06:09:37 -0000 Received: from hermes2.pl.fth.net (HELO smtp-out.fth.net) (193.252.85.226) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 12 Jun 1999 06:09:37 -0000 Received: from gmailint2.globalmail.net (www.minitel.net [193.252.91.20]) by smtp-out.fth.net (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA01703; Sat, 12 Jun 1999 08:09:37 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 08:01:46 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199906120601.IAA20593@gmailint2.globalmail.net> From: martignonjean@lemel.fr (Jean Martignon) To: idolisto@egroups.com (IDOLISTO) Reply-To: martignonjean@lemel.fr Errors-To: martignonjean@lemel.fr MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] Ka "emiserio" existas ? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Kara cibernauti, Me komprenis bone la vorto "emiserio" da nia amiko Hans, ma ica vorto, me kredas, ne existas en Ido. Omnakaze la sufixo -erio indikas loko. Me serchis en mea dicionarii e ne trovis la vorto, ma tamen semblas ke esas solvuri (adminime provizora). Por radio on uzas la vorto brodkasto. Se parolesas pri televiziono onu povas uzar la vorto televionala difuzo, nam me lektis por brodkastar : radiodifuzar. Do, kara Hans voluntez indikar a ni se vua interviuvo esas brodkasto o televizionala difuzo. Predanko. Ciberspacale, brodkastale e televizionale difuzante vin salutas. martignonjean@lemel.net ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 550 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 753 invoked by uid 7770); 12 Jun 1999 15:23:25 -0000 Received: from gilliam.vip.uk.com (194.176.218.1) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 12 Jun 1999 15:23:25 -0000 Received: from default (VIP-202-105.vip.uk.com [194.176.202.105]) by gilliam.vip.uk.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA03082 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 1999 16:22:43 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <000d01beb4e6$32f5cd40$69cab0c2@default> From: "wood" To: Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 16:13:40 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Subject: [ido] Revuo Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000A_01BEB4EE.88DF3C20" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01BEB4EE.88DF33C20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Kar amiki ********************** Frank Kasper ********************** Havar = Letro Internaciona sur l'inter-reto esas granda evento. 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= ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01BEB4EE.88DF33C20-- From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 551 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 1656 invoked by uid 7770); 12 Jun 1999 16:40:43 -0000 Received: from farida.a2000.nl (HELO smtp1.a2000.nl) (62.108.1.19) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 12 Jun 1999 16:40:43 -0000 Received: from node118d7.a2000.nl ([24.132.24.215] helo=default) by smtp1.a2000.nl with smtp (Exim 2.02 #4) id 10sqpf-0006jV-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Sat, 12 Jun 1999 18:40:35 +0200 Message-ID: <001701beb4f3$426dd760$d7188418@default.a2000.nl> From: "Ido-Info" To: "idolisto" Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 18:47:29 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Subject: [ido] emiserio Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kar amiki, kara Jean, Yes, me komprenas ke emiserio ne es la maxim bona vorto pensebla, ma tamen segun mea savo maxim internaciona segun la GAFHIR-vorti. Lasez probar l' internacioneso. Do, koncernas firmo od uniono qua okupas pri tam programifar kam programizar la televiziono. Ol povas esar uniono kun membri, la stato ipsa, grupi religiala, TVE, RAI-uno, BBC, ZDF, ART, BRT, TV5, TRT, VPRO, edc., edc. En mea dicionario Nederlandana-Hispana me vidis: emisora (ka bone?) Do, yen: G: A: F: H: emisora (?) I: R: Anke, segun me, la sufixo -erio, signifikas instituto, plu kam plaso. Saluti, amikala, Hans St. ************************************************ Ido, linguo internaciona, absolute vizitez: http://members.tripod.com/~avancigado ************************************************ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 552 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 3281 invoked by uid 7770); 12 Jun 1999 16:44:41 -0000 Received: from farida.a2000.nl (HELO smtp1.a2000.nl) (62.108.1.19) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 12 Jun 1999 16:44:41 -0000 Received: from node118d7.a2000.nl ([24.132.24.215] helo=default) by smtp1.a2000.nl with smtp (Exim 2.02 #4) id 10sqtX-00070u-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Sat, 12 Jun 1999 18:44:35 +0200 Message-ID: <001901beb4f3$d18ec580$d7188418@default.a2000.nl> From: "Ido-Info" To: "idolisto" Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 18:51:29 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Subject: [ido] cierre Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kar amiki, kara Daniel, Danko pro vua expliko di la vorto 'cierre'. Do, probable es komparebla ad 'foto' por fotografuro, ka ne? Pri 'hispani', ka ta vorto ne indikas la habitanti di Hispania? Me pensas ke es plu bona uzar la vorto 'hispaniki', analoge a 'germaniki' (ne la Germani, ma ti qui parolas linguo parenteza a la Germana). O forsan: Sud-amerikani, ka? Saluti amikala, Hans St. ************************************************ Ido, linguo internaciona, absolute vizitez: http://members.tripod.com/~avancigado ************************************************ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 553 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@eGroups.com Received: (qmail 19404 invoked by uid 7770); 12 Jun 1999 19:39:02 -0000 Received: from mu.egroups.com (207.138.41.151) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 12 Jun 1999 19:39:02 -0000 Received: from [10.1.1.17] by mu.egroups.com with NNFMP; 12 Jun 1999 20:39:03 -0000 X-Mailer: www.eGroups.com Message Poster MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <7jud0d$alsl@eGroups.com> Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 19:38:54 -0000 From: idolinguo@geocities.com To: idolisto@eGroups.com Subject: [ido] Saluti amikal Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kar amiki, Me esas sempre okupata, quankam me balde finos mea studii. La agado da Frank Kasper retigante Letro Internaciona me astonas. La retroveno di James Chandler en la idolingua ed interlingua forumi helpegos ni havar racionoz diskuti. La arivo di nov amiki omnube en la idolingua komoneso joyigegas me. Me previdas havar plu multa tempo por Ido, ma la bahaani ibe esas tre aktiva! Maxim amike vin salutas Martin ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 554 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 7152 invoked by uid 7770); 12 Jun 1999 20:27:38 -0000 Received: from mail.opsion.fr (194.51.143.6) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 12 Jun 1999 20:27:38 -0000 Received: from [194.51.143.5] by mail.opsion.fr; Sat, 12 Jun 1999 22:20:30 GMT Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 22:20:30 GMT From: jorgos@mail.opsion.fr Message-id: <199906122220.1e9c@mail.opsion.fr> To: idolisto@egroups.com Subject: [ido] Saluto !!! Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Saluto ad omni de Grekia. Jorgos Kantazeros ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 555 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 3227 invoked by uid 7770); 12 Jun 1999 21:38:23 -0000 Received: from hermes2.pl.fth.net (HELO smtp-out.fth.net) (193.252.85.226) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 12 Jun 1999 21:38:23 -0000 Received: from gmailint2.globalmail.net (www.minitel.net [193.252.91.20]) by smtp-out.fth.net (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA06663; Sat, 12 Jun 1999 23:38:18 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 23:24:07 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199906122124.XAA25612@gmailint2.globalmail.net> From: martignonjean@lemel.fr (Jean Martignon) To: idolisto@egroups.com Reply-To: martignonjean@lemel.fr (Jean Martignon) Errors-To: martignonjean@lemel.fr (Jean Martignon) MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] Trooping the colours Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Kara cibernauti, Hodie, che la Franca unesma televional programo, la fortunon havis ni spektar la belega ceremonio "Trooping the colours" qua eventas en Britania por celebrar la aniversario dil rejino. Ito es grandioza ceremonio e nur la Britani havas la fortuno juar tala splendida rejala e nacionala ceremonio. Tam longe kam existas tala ceremonio Britania restos granda e potenta lando, adminime ito esas la transmisita impreso per ita impresiva rituaro. Ciberspacale e kolorale salutas vin martignonjean@lemel.fr ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 556 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 30349 invoked by uid 7770); 13 Jun 1999 14:09:06 -0000 Received: from mout00.kundenserver.de (195.20.224.69) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 13 Jun 1999 14:09:06 -0000 Received: from [195.20.224.67] (helo=mx00.kundenserver.de) by mout00.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 10tAwb-0007hD-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 16:09:05 +0200 Received: from [212.81.172.23] (helo=www) by mx00.kundenserver.de with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 10tAwU-0007p5-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 16:08:58 +0200 Message-ID: <005c01beb5a6$36c79280$17ac51d4@fen.baynet.de> From: "Frank Kasper" To: "Idolisto (Mesaji)" Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 16:01:49 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Subject: [ido] Inquesto da sioro Neussner precipue a l'Idolistolani en Britania Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0058_01BEB5B6.0BA83180" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ------=_NextPart_000_0058_01BEB5B6.0BA833180 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" content-transfer-encoding: 7bit content-type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Kara amiko! Nia kara amiko ed jeranto dil Librerio dil Germana Ido-Societo Alfred Neussner pregis a me transsendar la inquesto a la membri dil Idolisto e precipue a la Britaniani inter li. La jeranto dil Britana Ido-librerio s-do T.Minty skribis a sioro Neussner, ke lu eventuale kambius kun lu libri, ma nula Britaniano venos a Neviges, qua povus kunprenar libri.. Pro lu pregas me inquestar, qua venos a Neviges e samtempe povos kunprenar libri. ad e retro. La postala sendo di plu granda quanto di Ido-libri ecesus la valoro di la libri. 0 kad irgu konocas voyo por chipa kambio di libri inter Anglia e Germania? Kun la maxim kordiala ed amikala saluti a vi omni anke ye la nomo da Alfred e Heidi Neussner! Frank Kasper frank.kasper@idolinguo.de ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications ------=_NextPart_000_0058_01BEB5B6.0BA833180-- From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 557 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 12419 invoked by uid 7770); 13 Jun 1999 19:21:48 -0000 Received: from mail.utfors.se (195.58.103.125) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 13 Jun 1999 19:21:48 -0000 Received: from md4690e2f.utfors.se (md4690e2f.utfors.se [212.105.14.47]) by mail.utfors.se (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id VAA10266 for ; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 21:21:41 +0200 (MET DST) To: idolisto@egroups.com (idolisto) In-Reply-To: <003f01beb1eb$0fed6680$d7188418@default.a2000.nl> From: loerne@ling.gu.se (Christer Loernemark) Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 21:21:43 +0100 Message-ID: <199906132121431236293@md4690e2f.utfors.se> Organization: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?G=F6teborg?= University X-Mailer: MacSOUP 2.2b3 Subject: [ido] Re: koshmaro*, dento-stango, subtextizo Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hans Stuifbergen skribis: > Danko pro via komenti koncernante la vorti bezonata da me. Me > opinionas koshmaro* bela vorto, me lektis ke '-mar' signifikis en la > mez-epokala Nederlandana: fantomo noktala, me pensas ke same kam > en l' Angla o Germana. "Inkubo" esas "mardr"om" en la Sueda. "Mara" esas ula noktala fantomino. Arkaika Sueda frazo esas "Maran red mig." (La 'mara' kavalkis me.), quon viro povis dicar post havir inkubo (forsan on prefere dicez koshmaro*, se "inkubo" esis maskula fantomo, quale dicis Jean Martignon). > Cetere Christer, pardonez me por remarkar kelka Esperantaji en vua > mesajo. Ka vu posedas apta dicionario Ido-Sueda/Sueda-Ido? [...] La > dicionarii es tre dik ed utila. [...] Forsan vu ja posedas oli ed es ca > mesajo superflua. Talakaze, pardonez me pro mea mixemeso. Yes, me nun trovis kelka Esperantaji: kino --> cinemo valuto --> valoro (stranja; ka "valuto" ne esas sat internaciona vorto?) ka altri? Yes, me posedas amba dicionarii; regretinde me ne kontrolis ita vorti, nam oli ya semblis korekta. :-) Yes, uzante e Ido e Espo me mustas kontrolar omna Ido-vorto ante sendir letro - ankore, pro la interferenco. (Exemple, en Espo me foye uzis "rare" en la Idala senco, quon komentis altra Esperantisto; devus esir "malofte". En Espo "rara" esas "valora pro sia malofteco".) :-) Saluti Christer L"ornemark mea antea mesajo: > La Nederlandala exemplo quan vu citis semblas extrema. En Suedia on > ne tradukas la tituli di Usana filmi, ma la filmi esas subtextizita. Tamen, > granda parto dil spektantaro ne bezonas la tradukuri dil dialogi. (En > Suedia aranjesas du internaciona film-festivali, en G"oteborg e en > Stockholm. Ibe montresas filmi de maxim diversa landi, ma la subtexti > esas sempre Anglalinguala se on ne parolas la Angla en la filmo.) Se > montresus exemple Franca od Italiana filmo en televiziono o (rarege) en > kino e la titulo e la subtexti esas tradukita ad-en la Sueda. La valuti ne > konvertesas a dolari, euri* o Sueda kroni, segun mea savo. (Me tre rare > iras a kino e nulatempe regardas televiziono, trovante Interreto multe plu > valora okupeso kam televiziono.) > > :-) > Saluti > Christer L"ornemark ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 558 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 17135 invoked by uid 7770); 14 Jun 1999 07:37:45 -0000 Received: from law-f60.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (209.185.131.123) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 14 Jun 1999 07:37:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 13674 invoked by uid 0); 14 Jun 1999 07:37:45 -0000 Message-ID: <19990614073745.13673.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 200.44.11.174 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 00:37:45 PDT From: Daniel Alberto Alegrett To: idolisto@egroups.com Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 03:37:45 VET Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] Re: Sudamerikano Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Me dankas vu. Me prizas la vorto "hispaniko"... ma me personale ne prizas "sudamerikano". Qua esas la ida(la?) vorto por: - en la angla linguo: Caribbean? - en la esperanta linguo: Karibiano? - en la hispana linguo: Caribe~no? Me prizos anke ta vorto! Me bezonas povar savar Ido. Me tote (totale) ja komprenas Ido, ma me bezonas savar skribar Ido. Me studios! ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 559 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 30718 invoked by uid 7770); 14 Jun 1999 09:10:21 -0000 Received: from spartacus.a2000.nl (HELO smtp2.a2000.nl) (62.108.1.20) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 14 Jun 1999 09:10:21 -0000 Received: from node118d7.a2000.nl ([24.132.24.215] helo=default) by smtp2.a2000.nl with smtp (Exim 2.02 #4) id 10tSl1-0006TK-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 11:10:19 +0200 Message-ID: <000501beb646$afc8f020$d7188418@default.a2000.nl> From: "Ido-Info" To: "idolisto" Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 11:17:12 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Subject: [ido] Karibei e la Karibeani Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kar amiko Daniel, Vu anke ankore povas dicar "latinido", se koncernas persono parolanta linguo latinida. Ma segun me anke la Franca, Italiana e Romana es lingui latinida. Pro quo Sudamerikano ne plezas a vu? Me komprenas ke se vu deziras indikar persono Hispanalinguala, ke ta persono ne necese esez de Sudamerika. Se vu deziras indikar persono parolanta la Hispana, habitanta regiono, ne Hispania, lore hispaniko ne semblas mala selekto. Koncernante l' insuli Karibeana, la regiono nomesas Karibei (en Ido on ne uzas l' artiklo avan nomi di landi), la habitanto di ta regiono: Karibeano. Saluti de sunoza Amsterdam a Karakas, (ka vu vivas en la chefurbo?). Hans St. ************************************************ Ido, linguo internaciona, absolute vizitez: http://members.tripod.com/~avancigado ************************************************ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 560 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 140 invoked by uid 7770); 14 Jun 1999 09:14:43 -0000 Received: from law-f24.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (209.185.131.87) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 14 Jun 1999 09:14:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 44620 invoked by uid 0); 14 Jun 1999 09:14:43 -0000 Message-ID: <19990614091443.44619.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 159.15.128.3 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 02:14:42 PDT From: James Chandler To: idolisto@egroups.com Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 09:14:42 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] Fwd: cierre Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hans St. skribis: >Pri 'hispani', ka ta vorto ne indikas la habitanti di Hispania? Me pensas >ke >es plu bona uzar la vorto 'hispaniki', analoge a 'germaniki' (ne la >Germani, >ma ti qui parolas linguo parenteza a la Germana). O forsan: Sud-amerikani, >ka? Segun mea savo la radiko *germanik- ne existas en Ido. Por ica koncepto me uzas "germanala", ed analoge "romanala, hispanala" (angle: germanic, romanic/romance, hispanic). James Chandler idojc@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 561 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 13230 invoked by uid 7770); 14 Jun 1999 09:42:50 -0000 Received: from spartacus.a2000.nl (HELO smtp2.a2000.nl) (62.108.1.20) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 14 Jun 1999 09:42:50 -0000 Received: from node118d7.a2000.nl ([24.132.24.215] helo=default) by smtp2.a2000.nl with smtp (Exim 2.02 #4) id 10tTGT-0001PK-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 11:42:49 +0200 Message-ID: <002001beb64b$3a37f220$d7188418@default.a2000.nl> From: "Ido-Info" To: "idolisto" Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 11:49:42 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Subject: [ido] germanika Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kar amiko James, Me timas ke vu es justa...! Yes, me serchis en omna mea fonti a la vorto 'germanika' e ne plu povas trovar ol. Ho, quala stupid eroro mea, pardonez me! Me ne ne komprenas de ube me havas ta vorto. Ma bela ol ya es, quankam to probable ne es relevanta, ka ne? Saluti amikala, Hans St. ************************************************ Ido, linguo internaciona, absolute vizitez: http://members.tripod.com/~avancigado ************************************************ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 562 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 13748 invoked by uid 7770); 14 Jun 1999 09:44:11 -0000 Received: from law-f63.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (209.185.131.126) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 14 Jun 1999 09:44:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 72208 invoked by uid 0); 14 Jun 1999 09:37:54 -0000 Message-ID: <19990614093754.72207.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 159.15.128.3 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 02:37:54 PDT From: James Chandler To: idolisto@egroups.com Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 09:37:54 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] membro-listo Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kar amiki Ka membri normale povas vidar la listo di membri di ca listo? Se yes, quale me povos facar to, nam kande me vizitas egroups.com, la butono "members" ne es selektebla? Predanko James Chandler idojc@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 563 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 22209 invoked by uid 7770); 14 Jun 1999 09:59:22 -0000 Received: from law-f88.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (209.185.131.151) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 14 Jun 1999 09:59:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 62278 invoked by uid 0); 14 Jun 1999 09:59:22 -0000 Message-ID: <19990614095922.62277.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 159.15.128.3 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 02:59:22 PDT From: James Chandler To: idolisto@egroups.com Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 09:59:22 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] germanika ec. Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kar amiki Forsan *germanika, *romanika ec. povus esar utila; ma semblas ke ni povas uzar bone nia propra sufixo -ala por krear la necesa vorti, tale ne kreante plura nova radiki. James Chandler idojc@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 564 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 29305 invoked by uid 7770); 14 Jun 1999 10:15:43 -0000 Received: from cgews1.hum.nagoya-cu.ac.jp (202.35.194.1) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 14 Jun 1999 10:15:43 -0000 Received: from [202.35.194.63] ([202.35.194.63]) by cgews1.hum.nagoya-cu.ac.jp (8.9.3/3.7W99022518) with ESMTP id TAA03593 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 19:12:34 +0900 (JST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Macintosh Eudora Pro Version 4.0.1J Message-Id: Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 19:17:14 +0900 To: idolisto@egroups.com From: "MORITA, Akira" Subject: [ido] Invado da IDO? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-2022-JP" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kara kolegi, L'exempli dil interferenco dil Ido ed Esperanto, indikata da Sro L"ornemark esas intruktiva, pro ke me ipsa facas sempre ofte tala erori, precipue parolante kun Esperantisti me akcentizas kelka vorti senkoncie Idamaniere e pronuncas "fam'ilio" o "komp'anio" e.c. Unfoye questionite da ula ne-esperantisto, quale dicesar "Hakken" en Esperanto, me respondis instante "deskovro" e camomente ne savis advere, ke "malkovro" esas hike la korekta formo. Esas stranja, nam me havas kontakti kun Idisti nur per ita IDOLISTO e nultempe me havis okaziono praktikar la Linguo bokale-vocale, dum ke kun Esperantisti me parolas preske reguloze omnadie. Semblas ke Ido invadas la teritorio di mea Esperanto!! Multa saluti de Nagoya ja somerale brulanta Akira M. MORITA, Akira $B!!!J?9ED!!L@!K(B morita@hum.nagoya-cu.ac.jp ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 565 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 115 invoked by uid 7770); 14 Jun 1999 10:23:35 -0000 Received: from cgews1.hum.nagoya-cu.ac.jp (202.35.194.1) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 14 Jun 1999 10:23:35 -0000 Received: from [202.35.194.63] ([202.35.194.63]) by cgews1.hum.nagoya-cu.ac.jp (8.9.3/3.7W99022518) with ESMTP id TAA03607 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 19:20:27 +0900 (JST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Macintosh Eudora Pro Version 4.0.1J Message-Id: Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 19:25:08 +0900 To: idolisto@egroups.com From: "MORITA, Akira" Subject: [ido] No Subject Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-2022-JP" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kara kolegi, en mea lasta mesajo spontane skribita mixesis Esperantajo "akcentizi"! Ka vere anke Esperanto invadas mea Ido! Saluti! Akira M. MORITA, Akira $B!!!J?9ED!!L@!K(B morita@hum.nagoya-cu.ac.jp ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 566 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 8603 invoked by uid 7770); 14 Jun 1999 10:40:25 -0000 Received: from epmsa001.ep.minsk.by (194.226.122.227) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 14 Jun 1999 10:40:25 -0000 Received: by epmsa001.ep.minsk.by with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 13:40:03 +0300 Message-ID: <8D76D48EDDD3D211AC3000A0C98212E703A81E@epmsa001.ep.minsk.by> From: "Dmitri P. Laptsionak" To: 'IDOLISTO' Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 13:40:01 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Subject: [ido] Re: la hani Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Saluto vejetarema Tandem la skandalo pri la venenizita hani arivis nia lando. Kelka kamioni kargis karno e vehis a Rusia. Ma onu saveskis ke la karno esas mala ed impedis eniro kun la kargo. La kamionisti (kamion-guidisti) ne havas moyeni por retrovenar al loko ube li kargis. Do li devas ulaloke deskargar ante ol arivar Rusia. To ne povas esar Polonia - ibe tre atenc(ant)e observas la voyo dil kamioni. Lore la venenezita kargo restos en Belarusia. Me ja pensas ka me esas vejetarero? Zmicier. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 567 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 30441 invoked by uid 7770); 14 Jun 1999 14:46:59 -0000 Received: from law-f118.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (209.185.131.181) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 14 Jun 1999 14:46:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 15712 invoked by uid 0); 14 Jun 1999 14:47:00 -0000 Message-ID: <19990614144700.15711.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 159.15.128.3 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 07:46:59 PDT From: James Chandler To: idolisto@egroups.com Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 14:46:59 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] euro-elekti Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kar amiki En Britania la elekti por la parlamento europana rezultis en granda vinko da ti qui es skeptika pri la komisitaro, la euro-pekunio e la UE generale. Esperende to duktos a chanji en la konduto dil institucuri dil UE e di la britana guvernamento* qui agas tante shaminde pri nia posibla futura adopto dil euro. La tota UE bezonas grava reformi e plu multa demokratio, e co es semblante l'opiniono anke di la majoritato di britani. (Ka ni devas adoptar prefixo *euro-, exemple *euro-elekti, *euro-parlamento por diskutar ica temo?) Kordiale, James Chandler idojc@hotmail.com http://yi.com/home/ChandlerJames http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Forum/5037 ______________________________________________________ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 568 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 4213 invoked by uid 7770); 14 Jun 1999 14:55:58 -0000 Received: from smtp01.wxs.nl (195.121.6.61) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 14 Jun 1999 14:55:58 -0000 Received: from pc ([195.121.58.163]) by smtp01.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with SMTP id AAA9FB for ; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 16:55:57 +0200 Message-ID: <000901beb675$b6bfbb00$a33a79c3@pc> From: "Eric Dickens" To: "idolisto" Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 16:53:37 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Subject: [ido] Re: TV & Radio & Ido Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit 14 junio 1999 Re: TV & radio & Ido e la pedanteso di exakteso Kar amiki, Me esperas, ke vi komprenos pro quo ni bezonas akademio, ne nur la traserchadon da diletanti. On povus uzar multa energio kande la senco di singla vorto exploresas! La laboro es tre pedanta, ma se ni volas, ke singla vorto esez la maxim bona... La problemo hike es: ni havas 4 idei o substantivi: [1] la programo ipsa, qua esas difuzata, [2] la kompanio o korporaciono qua difuzas lin; [3] la dissemo di programi generale kom abstrakta ideo o faco; [4] la persono qua difuzas la programi e ofte laboras che la dissemo-korporaciono/kompanio. L'idei [2], [3] e [4] uzesas ofte kelke konfuze. Do: * Germana: (das) Fernsehen ("Er arbeitet beim Fernsehen"); (der) Rundfunk = idei [2] e [3]. * Angla: "Broadcaster" [2] o [4]; "broadcasting station / company / corporation" [2]. " A broadcast" = [1] la programo difuzata / emisata. BBC = British Broadcasting Corporation [2]. "The broadcasting company [2] is called Channel 4 / ITV / BBC and broadcasts programmes about nature, sport and politics." "Broadcasting [3] is big business." * Franca: (la) [tele]diffusion ([2] e [3]?) * Hispana: emisora [2], radiodifusion [3], emision [1] * Italiana: diffusione ([3]?) * Rusa: peredacha [1] (literale: tra-donata), veshchaniye [3] (literale: predicado [!]) Anke (me skribas anke la quanto de parolanti): * Holanda: omroep [2] e [3] ("Hij werkt bij de omroep." - Il laboras che la [2]) <<22 milioni de parolanti>> * Afrikaans: uitsaai[3], uitsaaikorporatie [2] (literale: dissemo, dissemo-korporaciono) <<4 milioni de parolanti>> * Sueda: radioutsandning, TV-sandning [1] (Sveriges TV = La TV-korporaciono i Suedia [2]) <> * Norwega: kringkasting (literale: dissemo) [3] <> * Polona: stacja nadawcza [ 2]; nadawanie [3]; transmisja [1] <> * Fina: lahetys [1] (literale: send[ad]o) <> * Katalona: emissio [1] <> * Estoniana: saade [1] (literale: send[ad]o), ringhaaling [3] (literale: dissemado), < From: "Frank Kasper" To: "Idolisto (Mesaji)" Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 17:51:56 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Subject: [ido] Re: Me voyxajos Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0009_01BEB68E.98124CE0" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01BEB68E.981244CE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" content-transfer-encoding: 7bit content-type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Kara amiki! Me volas informar vi, ke me morge pos mea noktala laboro voyajos a Portugal e retrovenos en lundio, la 21ma di junio. Dum ta tempo me nek povos regardar l'interreto nek mea elektronika postfaki. Pro to me desabonos Idolisto de hodie e riabonus pos mea retroveno maxim tarde en mardio, la 22ma di junio. Me pregas Hans administrar nia Ido-forumo sola dum mea kurta absenteso! Samtempe me pregas omni, qui sendos mesaji ad Idolisto, qua me anke devabus lektar, sendar kopiuro samtempe a mea e-postala adreso: frank.kasper@idolinguo.de Me anke pregas a vi sendar persona mesaji a me ad ica adreso! Me deziras a vi omni agreabla semano! Til mea riabono! Kun la maxim kordiala ed amikala saluti! Frank Kasper ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01BEB68E.981244CE0-- From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 570 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 4433 invoked by uid 7770); 14 Jun 1999 18:51:38 -0000 Received: from www.minitel.net (HELO gmailint2.globalmail.net) (193.252.91.20) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 14 Jun 1999 18:51:38 -0000 Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 20:51:36 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199906141851.UAA23917@gmailint2.globalmail.net> From: martignonjean@lemel.fr (Jean Martignon) Reply-To: martignonjean@lemel.fr To: idolisto@egroups.com (IDOLISTO) MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] Deskontenteso Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Kara cibernauti, Me opinionas ke la vorti Hispanika Germanika ne povas uzesar nam la sufixo -ik signifikas morbo. Germanala od Hispanala esas justa e sancionita dal dicionarii. Me ne asertas ke me savas perfekte la gramatiko di Ido ed anke me povas erorar, tamen ke la sufixo -ik indikas morbi esas bazala savo di nia linguo ed Idisto qua savas ja bone nia linguo ed esas sat experiencoza devus savar lo. Altralatere me konsentas ke la sufixo al esas en ta kazo kelke stranja e ke en la Latinida lingui onu uzas ica sufixo -ik por Germanala o Hispanala populi. Ma Ido havas sua propra reguli e ni devas esforcar parlernar oli, se ni povas, nam oportas ne erorigar la novici. Vice krear nova vorti, kande le ja existanta funcionas kontentigante, ni devus esforcar uzar omna ja disponebla posiblesi di nia linguo per, exemple, praktikar sintaxo plu libera kam olta di la westala lingui. Danke la existo di akuzativo en Ido, ni povus juar frazi di qua la vortordino ne plus esus same rigida kam la Fundamento di Esperanto. Plu desfacila esas uzar artoze la sintaxo di nia idiomo komuna kam chanjar la vorti, ma plu utila por la linguo ito esas, e tote ne danjeroza. Tale la granda klasika linguin (Grekan e Latinan) ni povos imitar e probar divenigar Ido literaturala linguo. Ido devus esar kulturala linguo e ne lingueto uzata por la ludi di har-fenderi. Ciberspacale, literaturale e kulturale vin salutas martignonjean@minitel.net ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 571 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 5354 invoked by uid 7770); 16 Jun 1999 05:23:55 -0000 Received: from out2.minitel.net (HELO gmailint2.globalmail.net) (193.252.91.11) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 16 Jun 1999 05:23:55 -0000 Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 07:23:54 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199906160523.HAA10500@gmailint2.globalmail.net> From: martignonjean@lemel.fr (Jean Martignon) Reply-To: martignonjean@lemel.fr To: idolisto@egroups.com (IDOLISTO) MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] Literaturo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Kara cibernauti, Por havar ferma bazo, nia linguo bezonas literaturo. Kad inter nia samideani esas homi qui pensas esar kapabla redaktor romaneti, mem ne tre altanivela, por distraktar l'Idistaro e mantenar inter ni la recenta adepti di nia idiomo ? Ito esas tre necesa laboro. Ciberspacale e literaturale vin salutas martignonjean@lemel.fr ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 572 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 23074 invoked by uid 7770); 16 Jun 1999 07:01:55 -0000 Received: from cgews1.hum.nagoya-cu.ac.jp (202.35.194.1) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 16 Jun 1999 07:01:55 -0000 Received: from [202.35.194.63] ([202.35.194.63]) by cgews1.hum.nagoya-cu.ac.jp (8.9.3/3.7W99022518) with ESMTP id PAA07336 for ; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 15:58:43 +0900 (JST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Macintosh Eudora Pro Version 4.0.1J Message-Id: Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 16:03:31 +0900 To: idolisto@egroups.com From: "MORITA, Akira" Subject: [ido] Mikra literi, Letropapero... Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kara IDOLISTani, kun kelka astoneso me recevis hiere "Letropapero" sendita da nia sorgema administranto di IDOLISTO. Pro ke lo simila eventas a me ye du- triesma foyo, esas certa, ke mea skribajo (=literaro) aparas che l'imprimo itere enorme mikra. Recente me shanjis mea softvaro* e nun uzas la maxim nova versiono di "Eudora Pro". Malgre to la problemo ne semblas esar solvita. La kauzo devas esar do en to, quo relatas specifike a mea "situeso". Generale me uzis la literaro nomizita "Osaka" qua esas tre praktikala esante apta ne nur al ideogrami e japonpropra silabo-literi ma anke al alfabeto. Me audis tamen, ke la lasta funciono esas finfine nur acesora qua kontenas mem poka defekti. E hike su kushas la kauzo, me konjektas. Do de nun me skribas al vi ne plus per Osaka, ma experimente per "TIMES". Kara kolegi, me volas savar, kad ica mea linei imprimesas che vi normale o ne. Me esas tre gratitudoza, se irgu konocigos me pri to. Amikal saluti Via Akira M. MORITA, Akira morita@hum.nagoya-cu.ac.jp ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 573 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 30767 invoked by uid 7770); 16 Jun 1999 08:29:56 -0000 Received: from smtp2.gte.net (207.115.153.31) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 16 Jun 1999 08:29:56 -0000 Received: from someone (1Cust201.tnt4.dfw5.da.uu.net [153.36.196.201]) by smtp2.gte.net with ESMTP for ; id DAA06143 Wed, 16 Jun 1999 03:29:55 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <001d01beb7d2$13567180$c9c42499@someone> Reply-To: "Kurt Hager" From: "Kurt Hager" To: Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 03:26:51 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3115.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Subject: [ido] Nia nova Amiki Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001A_01BEB7A8.135244E0" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ------=_NextPart_000_001A_01BEB7A8.1352444E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Kara Amiki: Ni ne havas sat multa tempo ye la interreto komunikar kun vi, = tamen ni uzos to quo ni havas. Sro Martignon ni juas lektar vua buletineto= e prizos abonar ad olu, ma ni ne savas quanta Francia franki a la dolaro. = Sro Lapcionak ni havas vu joyoze e regardas vu quale bona amiko. Vu ques= tionis a ni ube ni habitas en nordala Texas. Ni habitas en la urbi Irving,= Fort Worth, Hurst, Grand Prairie, e Springtown. Ka vu dicas a nia mulieri= pri la vesti di la rusa mulieri? (La mulieri hike deziras savar to quo e= sas maxim populara, jupi o pantaloni?) Sro Takata pliz dicas a ni pri vua = lando. Qua esas populara ibe en la mondo di muziko? Ni esperas vi kompren= as ica mesajo. 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Kara Amiki:
 
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kun vi, tamen ni uzos to qu= o ni havas.
 
Sro Martignon ni juas lektar vua buletineto e prizos abonar ad= olu, ma ni ne savas quanta Francia franki a
la dolaro.
 
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Grand Prairie, e Springtown.  Ka vu dicas a nia mulieri pri <= /DIV>
la vesti di= la rusa mulieri? (La mulieri hike deziras savar
to quo esas maxim populara, = jupi o pantaloni?)
 
Sro Takata pliz dicas a ni pri vua lando.  Qua esa= s populara ibe en la mondo di muziko?
 
Ni esperas vi komprenas ica mesajo.  Pliz korekt= ez nia
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------=_NextPart_000_001A_01BEB7A8.1352444E0-- From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 574 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 6929 invoked by uid 7770); 16 Jun 1999 16:30:40 -0000 Received: from spartacus.a2000.nl (HELO smtp2.a2000.nl) (62.108.1.20) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 16 Jun 1999 16:30:40 -0000 Received: from node118d7.a2000.nl ([24.132.24.215] helo=HansStuifbergen) by smtp2.a2000.nl with smtp (Exim 2.02 #4) id 10uIaF-0007dO-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 18:30:39 +0200 Message-ID: <000901beb816$8b21ec00$d7188418@HansStuifbergen.a2000.nl> From: "Ido-Info" To: "idolisto" Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 18:37:37 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Subject: [ido] Kurt, Jean, Akira ed altri Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ka lektaji en Ido? Ka muziko en Japonia? Lektez "stilorupto" ye pagino: http://www.angelfire.com/id/Avance/stilorupto.html Saluti amikala, Hans St. ************************************************ Ido, linguo internaciona, absolute vizitez: http://members.tripod.com/~avancigado ************************************************ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 575 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@eGroups.com Received: (qmail 18856 invoked by uid 7770); 16 Jun 1999 17:34:03 -0000 Received: from mu.egroups.com (207.138.41.151) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 16 Jun 1999 17:34:02 -0000 Received: from [10.1.2.24] by mu.egroups.com with NNFMP; 16 Jun 1999 18:34:02 -0000 X-Mailer: www.eGroups.com Message Poster MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <7k8n67$o2tl@eGroups.com> Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 17:33:59 -0000 From: idolinguo@geocities.com In-Reply-To: <199906160523.HAA10500@gmailint2.globalmail.net> To: idolisto@eGroups.com Subject: [ido] Nova adreso Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kar amiki, Recente me mustis chanjar mea lojeyo, do me pregas omna korespondemi e responsanti di Ido-revui skribar a me a: Martin Lavall�e 216 rue Sainte-Catherine Est Appartement 2 Montr�al QC H2X 1L1 La komenti da sioro Martignon pri elaborado di verki en Ido ya esas tote bona ideo. Ja la poemi tradukita o originala sendita en la Idolisto da exemple la ja bonega Ido-autoro Gon�alo Neves bone komencas la kozo... Maxim amike vin salutas Martin ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 576 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 23564 invoked by uid 7770); 16 Jun 1999 20:46:21 -0000 Received: from out2.minitel.net (HELO gmailint2.globalmail.net) (193.252.91.11) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 16 Jun 1999 20:46:20 -0000 Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 22:46:19 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199906162046.WAA25665@gmailint2.globalmail.net> From: martignonjean@lemel.fr (Jean Martignon) Reply-To: martignonjean@lemel.fr To: idolisto@egroups.com (IDOLISTO) MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] Ka Coca Cola esas drinkebla ? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Kara cibernauti, Dum mea yunevo onu parolis en Europa pri la Coca (K)oloniigo, aludante pri la dominaco kulturala ed ekonomiala di Usa en west-Europa. Kad auguro ? Onu nun ne plus darfar drinkar Coca Cola pro danjeroza kemiaji qui mixesus kun ol. En mea laboreyo che la automati provizita per drinkaji, onu avertas nun ne plus drinkar Coca Cola e ne komprar la metala boteleti qui, supozeble, esas venenizita. Pos la fola bovini, la dioxinizita hani, la putrinta karno e la toxika Coca Cola, onu povas su questionar : quo esas ankore manjebla e drinkebla ? Me supozas ke le "mass-media" volas promocar la biologiala (organikal por la Anglosaxoni) agrokultivo. Onu ne audas pri tala skandali en Usa, kad ibe la biologial agrokultivo esas tante progresinta ? Kordiala ciberspacala saluti martignonjean@lemel.fr ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 577 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 17647 invoked by uid 7770); 16 Jun 1999 21:26:04 -0000 Received: from smtp01do.de.uu.net (192.76.144.61) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 16 Jun 1999 21:26:04 -0000 Received: from penelope.materna.de (penelope.Materna.DE [193.96.115.65]) by smtp01do.de.uu.net (5.5.5/5.5.5) with ESMTP id XAA25785 for ; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 23:26:23 +0200 (MET DST) From: 01776911476@smsmail.eplus.de Message-Id: <199906162126.XAA25785@smtp01do.de.uu.net> Received: from materna.materna.de (actually materna) by penelope with ESMTP; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 23:26:01 +0200 Received: from pollux by materna; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 23:25:54 +0200 Date: Wed Jun 16 23:25:54 1999 To: idolisto@egroups.com Subject: [ido] Mail aus dem E-Plus HighQualityNet Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Nachricht Anfang me sendas la maxim kordiala ed amikala saluti ek la sunoza Lisboa,ube me vakancas nun e qua tre plezas a me.Frank Kasper Nachricht Ende ---------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------- Diese Email wurde vom Teilnehmer mit der Mobiltelefon-Nummer 01776911476 �ber den E-Plus Multi-Message Service verschickt. 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In this case you should add *BODY# (in capital letters) in the subject field. ---------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 578 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 28313 invoked by uid 7770); 16 Jun 1999 22:30:18 -0000 Received: from mail2.deltanet.com (199.171.190.56) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 16 Jun 1999 22:30:18 -0000 Received: from ts043d44.lax-ca.concentric.net (ts043d44.lax-ca.concentric.net [206.173.249.152]) by mail2.deltanet.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id PAA28130 for ; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 15:30:08 -0700 (PDT) From: zeno@deltanet.com (Zeno) To: idolisto@egroups.com Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 22:29:28 GMT Message-ID: <37682140.58545529@smtp.deltanet.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] Saluto itere ! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Saluto omnu, Voluntez pardonar me pro mea absenteso de Idolisto dum la las= ta poka semani; me ne havas aceso a la Interreto. Me esas felica vidar ke = la nombri di membri duras augmentar. La socio di la Linguo Internaciona kr= eskas omna die ! - Zeno -------------------------------------------------= ----------------------- eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/ido= listo http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 579 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 24220 invoked by uid 7770); 17 Jun 1999 09:00:39 -0000 Received: from mail2.deltanet.com (199.171.190.56) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 17 Jun 1999 09:00:39 -0000 Received: from ts043d44.lax-ca.concentric.net (ts043d44.lax-ca.concentric.net [206.173.249.152]) by mail2.deltanet.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id CAA22165 for ; Thu, 17 Jun 1999 02:00:36 -0700 (PDT) From: zeno@deltanet.com (Zeno) To: idolisto@egroups.com (IDOLISTO) Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 08:59:59 GMT Message-ID: <376aa17a.91376044@smtp.deltanet.com> References: <199906162046.WAA25665@gmailint2.globalmail.net> In-Reply-To: <199906162046.WAA25665@gmailint2.globalmail.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] Re: Ka Coca Cola esas drinkebla ? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ye merkurdio, 16-ma junio 1999, Jean Martignon skribis: >Dum mea yunevo on= u parolis en Europa >pri la Coca (K)oloniigo, aludante pri >la dominaco kul= turala ed ekonomiala di >Usa en west-Europa. Kad auguro ? Onu >nun ne plus= darfar drinkar Coca Cola >pro danjeroza kemiaji qui mixesus kun >ol. En me= a laboreyo che la automati >provizita per drinkaji, onu avertas nun >ne plu= s drinkar Coca Cola e ne komprar >la metala boteleti qui, supozeble, esas >= venenizita. Me audis ke la problemo ne esas la bidoneti, ma vice la karbo= -bioxo (bioxo o dioxo? CO2). Forsan la Francani esas tre sentema pri bidon= eti pro la eroro di Napoleon :-). Tamen, se la problemo esas la bidoneto, = quo esus tre plu bona pri Coca-Cola kam problemo pri qualeso-kontrolo, ka n= e? Pro ke, se on ne drinkus irgo de bidoneti, lore ico ne efektigus CocaCo= la multe, pro ke vu esas en la minoritato. Ma se homi kredas ke CocaCola n= e kontrolar to quo lu pozas en lua produktaji, lore homi ne kompros la prod= ukturi di Coca-Cola ! >Pos la fola bovini, la >dioxinizita hani, la putrin= ta karno >e la toxika Coca Cola, onu povas su >questionar : quo esas ankore= manjebla >e drinkebla ? Omno. Esas dicita, ke la blato transvivis dum mu= lta milioni yari, e anke ke, se ni havas milito nukleala, ke la sola transv= ivanti esos la blati. Pro ke la blato manjas irgo e omno, e vivos perpetue= , lore to quo esas sate bona por la blato, esas sate bona por me :-). > Me= supozas ke le >"mass-media" volas promocar la >biologiala (organikal por l= a >Anglosaxoni) agrokultivo. Onu ne audas >pri tala skandali en Usa, kad ib= e la >biologial agrokultivo esas tante >progresinta ? No! La "mass media"= (Sioro Stuifbergen havis vorto por ica, ma me forgesis) nur volas vendar, = vendar, vendar! Li deziras ke ni manjas quale la blati, do ni facas. Se n= i deziras audar pri ke nia bovini esas kemiajoza, lore ni mustas askoltar a= la novajo Europeala! Hike, ni omna mortas pro kancero ante ke ni regardar= kom reala ke la homulo esas developanta mami e la homini esas developanta = barbi :-! (Voluntez pardonar mea mala Ido, me esis absenta dum kelka tempo= . To quo on ne uzas, on perdas.) - Zeno --------------------------------= ----------------------------------------- eGroups.com home: http://www.egro= ups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communica= tions From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 580 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 858 invoked by uid 7770); 17 Jun 1999 09:18:44 -0000 Received: from mga2.primo.co.jp (210.145.40.130) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 17 Jun 1999 09:18:43 -0000 Received: from mga2.primo.co.jp (unverified [210.145.40.140]) by mga2.primo.co.jp (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Thu, 17 Jun 1999 18:22:06 +0900 Message-ID: From: "Bebson Y. TAKATA" To: "IDOLISTO" Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 18:10:06 +0900 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] rockero [rotskero] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kara Sri Cibernauti:#1 Generalajo #2 Linguo #3 Politiko #4 Religio ============================================================================== Kara Sro Kurt HAGER:#1 Me korektigas vua letro per mea limitizita kapableso. ============================================================================== >Kara Amiki: Ni ne havas sat multa tempo, ye la interreto, komunikar kun vi, > tamen ni uzos to quon ni disponos. >Sro Martignon: ni juas lektar vua buletino e prizas abonar olu, > ma ni ne savas quanta Franca franki [esas] a la dolaro. >Sro Lapcionak: ni havas vu joyoze e regardas vu quale bona amikon. > Vu questionis a ni ube[questionis ni pri ube] ni habitas en nordala Texas. > Ni habitas la urbi Irving, Fort Worth, Hurst, Grand Prairie, e Springtown. > Ka vu parolas a nia mulieri pri la vesti di la rusa mulieri? >(La mulieri hike deziras savar to quo esas maxim populara, jupi o pantaloni?) >Sro Takata: plez* dicar a ni pri vua lando. -> ne mea lando ma di guvernerio > Qua esas populara ibe en la mondo di muziko? -> Plez* lektar l'artiklo da Sro Hans STUIFBERGEN, ilu savas plu bone kam me. (^_^) >Ni esperas ke vi komprenez ica mesajo. Plez* korektigar nia erori. > Kordiale, La Grupo di Texas Maxim generale (=ne precize) la yuni hike prizas rocko*-muziki. La oldi quala me prizas 'enka' kansoni tre simila a 'fado' en Portugal. Me tre prizas askoltar kansoni da Amalia Rodriguez. ============================================================================== Sro Hans STUIFBERGEN:#1 Rock'n'roll = roCKomuziko, ka ne? ============================================================================== 'Rock' en l'Angla ne koncernas 'roko, petro e stono' ma 'ocilar e bersar'. Do onu prefere uzez nova vorto quala rocko[rotsko]*-muziko e rockeri*[rotskeri]. ============================================================================== Kara Sro Zeno EXE:#1 Saluto itere de anke me. Pardonez mea idiosinkrazio. ============================================================================== Me pavoris de ke vu ne povis pluse tolerar mea mala Angla e livis Idolisto. Quale 'water for you to drink' = 'water that you should/could drink' 'quality to be brave' = 'quality of being gullible' (^_^);;;;;;; Ta dicmanieri tote mankas a l'Angla ma trovesas en kelka lingui di Europa. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Adio! .....sincere via, B.Y.T. .....Idisto ed Idiotisto pro mea limitizita edukado ed anke Ido-Kavaliero kun abundanta hucpo* e numeroza erori ============================================================================== Plez* indikar mea erori pri vorti, gramatiko, dicmaniero ec., nam me esas nura ne-edukito e devas lernar dum ke me vivas. Me sempre esperas, samideani, via amikeso por EXTRA prenar peno de via parto por instruktar me, qua durstas ye savo ulaspecala. Tamen en rara kazo kande me savas plu bone kam vi, me volunte transdonos mea humila savo a vi segun via bezoni. ============================================================================== ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 581 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 8724 invoked by uid 7770); 17 Jun 1999 10:41:01 -0000 Received: from law-f123.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (209.185.131.186) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 17 Jun 1999 10:41:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 54141 invoked by uid 0); 17 Jun 1999 10:41:01 -0000 Message-ID: <19990617104101.54140.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 194.83.240.16 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 17 Jun 1999 03:41:01 PDT From: James Chandler To: idolisto@egroups.com Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 10:41:01 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] a sro Goncalo Neves Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kar amiki e kara sro Neves Me lektis kun granda plezuro pri vua diversa inicii por Ido en Portugal: tre bona entraprezi! Me aparte joyas pri la nova editerio quan vu fondis ibe. Anke vortolibro portugalana esus granda helpo, ne nur por Portugal ma anke por Brazil. Pri frequeso di Progreso: yes, komence ol esis monatala, ma rimemorez ke lore la redaktero esis ta granda homo Louis Couturat, ed il evidente havis multa helpo e granda movemento*. Hodie ni havas min vasta grupo ed artikli ne es facile obtenebla. Pluse esas sempre la posibleso, fondar nova revuo por nia movemento*, quale agas exemple sro Martignon tre efikive per LI. Kordiale, James Chandler idojc@hotmail.com http://yi.com/home/ChandlerJames http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Forum/5037 ______________________________________________________ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 582 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 10205 invoked by uid 7770); 17 Jun 1999 10:44:09 -0000 Received: from law-f192.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (209.185.130.102) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 17 Jun 1999 10:44:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 88022 invoked by uid 0); 17 Jun 1999 10:44:10 -0000 Message-ID: <19990617104410.88021.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 194.83.240.16 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 17 Jun 1999 03:44:10 PDT From: James Chandler To: idolisto@egroups.com Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 10:44:10 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] akademio Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kar amiki Quale on ja savas, me favoras l'ideo di nova Akademio Idista. To semblas a me natural rezulto di la kreskanta intereso pri la linguo. Pri la funciono dil Akademio, on povus deskonkordar, ma me previdus plu granda rolo kam exemple sro Martignon favorus. Kordiale, James Chandler idojc@hotmail.com http://yi.com/home/ChandlerJames http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Forum/5037 ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 583 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 11978 invoked by uid 7770); 17 Jun 1999 10:47:43 -0000 Received: from law-f79.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (209.185.131.142) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 17 Jun 1999 10:47:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 47413 invoked by uid 0); 17 Jun 1999 10:47:43 -0000 Message-ID: <19990617104743.47412.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 194.83.240.16 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 17 Jun 1999 03:47:43 PDT From: James Chandler To: idolisto@egroups.com Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 10:47:43 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] UN situo Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kar amiki La tradukuro di la UDHR en Ido es nun lektebla che la situo dil UN: http://www.unhchr.ch/udhr/lang/1120.htm Me pregas omni, provizar ligo a ta pagino. Regretinde ol indijas historio di nia linguo, ma me esforcos provizar to balde. Kordiale, James Chandler idojc@hotmail.com http://yi.com/home/ChandlerJames http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Forum/5037 ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 584 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 27149 invoked by uid 7770); 18 Jun 1999 04:55:48 -0000 Received: from out1.minitel.net (HELO gmailint1.globalmail.net) (193.252.91.10) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 18 Jun 1999 04:55:48 -0000 Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 06:55:48 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199906180455.GAA27308@gmailint1.globalmail.net> From: martignonjean@lemel.fr (Jean Martignon) Reply-To: martignonjean@lemel.fr To: idolisto@egroups.com (IDOLISTO) MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] Akademio che Internet Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Kara cibernauti, Ido-Akademio de novici che Internet esos tre amuziva. Kordiala ciberspacala saluti. martignonjean@lemel.fr ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 585 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 12880 invoked by uid 7770); 18 Jun 1999 07:45:08 -0000 Received: from lince.lander.es (195.76.46.35) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 18 Jun 1999 07:45:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 12883 invoked from network); 18 Jun 1999 07:44:58 -0000 Received: from ppp-48-139.lander.es (195.76.48.139) by lince.lander.es with SMTP; 18 Jun 1999 07:44:58 -0000 X-Sender: joser@lince.lander.es (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 To: idolisto@egroups.com From: "j.m.rodriguez" Subject: [ido] Problemi linguala Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Okazione dil recenta problemo dil Coca-Cola de Belgia ne-apta por drinkesar, aparis en Hispania problemi linguala en la butiki ube vendesas ta usona drinkajo. Videz, la hispani desfideskas al produktaji di Coca-Cola (Fanta, Acuarius, Nestea, Sprite...), la hispan autoritati deklaris ke la Coca-Cola qua produktesas en Hispania es tute apta por drinkar e ke por diferenciar la hispana Coca-Cola de ta qua venas de Belgia oportas lektar l'etiketi. Talmaniere, se l'etiketo aparas en la linguo hispana ta botelo produktesis en Hispania, ma se l'etiketo aparas en la franca od en la flandria linguo ta botelo, maxim probable, venas de Belgia. Ma, la publiko normale ne konocas multa lingui, e se l'etiketo ne aparas en la linguo hispana on desfidas a la produkto. Hiere, aparis en la televiziono butiko ube omna boteli di Coca-Cola is separata nam l'etiketo redaktesis en la linguo di Italia. Malgre ke la Coca-Cola de Italia ank es apta por konsumar ol, la propietanto dil butiko dicis ke il ja ne fidas a produkti kun l'etiketo en deskonocata linguo. Kordial Saluti de Hispania. Jose Maria Rodriguez Hernandez joser@lander.es ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 586 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 17514 invoked by uid 7770); 18 Jun 1999 16:46:02 -0000 Received: from imo22.mx.aol.com (198.81.17.66) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 18 Jun 1999 16:46:02 -0000 Received: from Earthlife@aol.com (3875) by imo22.mx.aol.com (IMOv20) id aPRDa09518 for ; Fri, 18 Jun 1999 12:44:34 -0400 (EDT) From: Earthlife@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 12:44:29 EDT To: idolisto@egroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 38 Subject: [ido] IDOLISTO forumo Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kara samideani, *Qu es la hero qua kreis ca forumo? *Pliz konfesez, e dankon! *Y (=me, 1ma pers. sing. nom. kazo; la "I" dil Angla) tre joyus si vu kopius a me omna letri en Ido, nam Y deziras tre multa komprenar ca languo plu bona. Me sendas adjunto por vua informo e posibla komenti: ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 587 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 20844 invoked by uid 7770); 18 Jun 1999 19:04:03 -0000 Received: from out1.minitel.net (HELO gmailint1.globalmail.net) (193.252.91.10) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 18 Jun 1999 19:04:03 -0000 Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 21:04:03 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199906181904.VAA25076@gmailint1.globalmail.net> From: martignonjean@lemel.fr (Jean Martignon) Reply-To: martignonjean@lemel.fr To: idolisto@egroups.com (IDOLISTO) MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] IDOLISTO forumo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Kara cibernauti, La antea mesajo pri IDOLISTO forumo esas bona exemplo pri la posibla degenero e nihiligo di Ido danke la sovaja reformemeso di ula samideani e mala savo di la linguo. Novici povas kredar ke mala jargono esas korekta Idolinguo ed li imitas ol kun plusa erori. Lore Ido ne plus esas la maxim bona Interlinguo, ma la maxim desbona. On ne plus devus parolar pri Ido, ma pri Novido od ulo simila. Pliz (*) o Plez (*) ne existas en Ido, ma onu devas uzar : Prego, o me pregas. Se onu tale uzadas Ido, forsan esus plu bona transirar ad Interlingua. En ica linguo, la laboro por igar l'idiomo desreguloza ja esas facita. La nerecenta Idisti devus esforcar uzar segun posibleso linguo korekta. Pro ke volante o nevolante li esas exemplo por la novici. Se la exemplo esas nebona e se onu duras volar krear extravaganta vorti, vice uzar korekte ti qui existas e povas bone funcionar, lore la linguo ne havos granda futuro nek che Internet nek altraloke. Jargono ne povas esar bona komunikilo. Ido-"pidgin" forsan esos nova linguo, ma ol ne plus esos Ido. Malgre to, kordiala saluti martignonjean@minitel.net ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 588 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 5116 invoked by uid 7770); 19 Jun 1999 09:07:10 -0000 Received: from spartacus.a2000.nl (HELO smtp2.a2000.nl) (62.108.1.20) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 19 Jun 1999 09:07:10 -0000 Received: from node118d7.a2000.nl ([24.132.24.215] helo=HansStuifbergen) by smtp2.a2000.nl with smtp (Exim 2.02 #4) id 10vH5h-0000q1-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Sat, 19 Jun 1999 11:07:09 +0200 Message-ID: <000f01beba34$18d48840$d7188418@HansStuifbergen.a2000.nl> From: "Ido-Info" To: "idolisto" Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 11:14:12 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Subject: [ido] IDOLISTO forumo Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kar amiki ed esez bon-venanta "Earthlife", Me tre joyas pro la fakto ke interesati deskovras l' Idopagini e quik probas skribar en Ido. Ke multa erori eventas nur es normala, ma on komprenas, ke es l' intenco ke la linguo es lernata tam balde kam posibla. Fortunoze, che tre multa novici me konstatas ke kelka atenco por la gramatiko e helpo da altra Idolistani, duktas a tre bona rezulti. La sioro "Earthlife" sendis mesajo en ne mala Ido, lu (il od el) uzis kelka nova vorti qui esis asteriskizita. La vorti asteriskizita es ye lua responso, se ula mesajo ne es(us/os) komprenata, la skribinto povas savar la motivo. Tamen, 'pliz' efektive es vorto ne-existanta, quankam ol esis insertita en la listo di nova propozita vorti da Robert Carnaghan. Personale me desaprobis ta formo, nam ja existas l' oficala "voluntez", "prego" e recente plez*, kun -e-, de la verbo 'plezar'. Ke plez* finas per -ez, nur es hazardajo, ol nun tre bone expresas deziro. Ed, la poeto dil Idisti Andreas Juste esis pledanto di ta vorteto. Me propozas uzar plez* sen asterisko, me timas ke eventuala oficaligo duras kelka yarcenti e me ne deziras asteriskizar vorti dum tro longa periodi. Mea vakancala periodo komencas balde, e pensas ne plu havor tempo skribar ad Idolisto dum du semani. Me vi lektos se me ankore es heme o ne. Saluti amikala, Hans Stuifbergen ************************************************ Ido, linguo internaciona, absolute vizitez: http://members.tripod.com/~avancigado ************************************************ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 589 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 19113 invoked by uid 7770); 19 Jun 1999 21:30:56 -0000 Received: from smtp1.gte.net (207.115.153.30) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 19 Jun 1999 21:30:56 -0000 Received: from someone (1Cust196.tnt11.dfw5.da.uu.net [153.34.32.196]) by smtp1.gte.net with ESMTP for ; id QAA05307 Sat, 19 Jun 1999 16:30:55 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <000901beba9a$abae2840$c4202299@someone> From: "Kurt Hager" To: Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 16:28:23 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3115.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Subject: [ido] Re:IDOLISTO forumo Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0006_01BEBA70.C0A69A40" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01BEBA70.C0A699A40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Kara Amiki: Sioro Martignon es korekta kande il dicis ke la nova idisti le= rnas imitas la vorti ke li vidas ye la IDOLISTO. Infanti lernas lia linguo= per lia genitori. Recenta idisti lernas la linguo Ido per la nerecenta i= disti. Via mesaji esas nia instruktisti. Havez pacienteso kun ni. = La Grupo di Texas ---= ---------------------------------------------------------------------- eGro= ups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com = - Simplifying group communications ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01BEBA70.C0A699A40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable content-type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1"
Kara Amiki:
 
Sio= ro Martignon es korekta kande il dicis ke la nova idisti
lernas imitas la vort= i ke li vidas ye la IDOLISTO.
 
Infanti lernas lia linguo per lia genitori.&= nbsp; Recenta idisti
lernas la linguo Ido per la nerecenta idisti.  Via = mesaji
esas nia instruktisti. 
 
Havez pacienteso kun ni.
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-----Original Message---= --
From: Kurt Hager <galahad1@gte.net>
To: idolisto@egroups.com <idolisto@egroups.com>
Date: Saturday= , June 19, 1999 4:31 PM
Subject: [ido] Re:IDOLISTO forumo
Kara Amiki:
 
Sioro Martignon es korekta kande il dicis k= e la nova idisti imitas la vorti ke li vidas ye la IDOLISTO.
 
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Infanti lern= as lia linguo per lia genitori.  Recenta idisti
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lernas la linguo= Ido per la nerecenta idisti.  Via mesaji
= esas nia instrukt= isti. 
 
Havez pacienteso kun ni.
 
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------=_NextPart_000_0015_01BEBA71.0A04AA560-- From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 591 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 693 invoked by uid 7770); 19 Jun 1999 22:00:07 -0000 Received: from smtp2.gte.net (207.115.153.31) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 19 Jun 1999 22:00:07 -0000 Received: from someone (1Cust229.tnt4.dfw5.da.uu.net [153.36.196.229]) by smtp2.gte.net with ESMTP for ; id RAA05540 Sat, 19 Jun 1999 17:00:05 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <000901beba9e$bf2dc700$e5c42499@someone> From: "Kurt Hager" To: Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 16:57:31 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3115.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Subject: [ido] Re: Idala Alfabeto Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0006_01BEBA74.D308E220" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01BEBA74.D308EE220 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Kara Amiki: Ka la idala alfabeto esas: a, bo ,co, do, e, fo, go, ho, i, jo= , ko, lo, mo, no, o, po, quo, ro, so, to, u, vo, wo, xo, yo, e zo? Prego di= cez a ni la korekta formo. = Kordiale, = Kurt E. Hager = galahad1@gte.net ----------------------------------------= -------------------------------- eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/= group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications = ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01BEBA74.D308EE220 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable content-type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1"
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------=_NextPart_000_0006_01BEBA74.D308EE220-- From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 592 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 15047 invoked by uid 7770); 21 Jun 1999 04:25:59 -0000 Received: from mga2.primo.co.jp (210.145.40.130) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 21 Jun 1999 04:25:59 -0000 Received: from mga2.primo.co.jp (unverified [210.145.40.140]) by mga2.primo.co.jp (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 13:29:32 +0900 Message-ID: From: "Bebson Y. TAKATA" To: "IDOLISTO" Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 13:14:03 +0900 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] Pri mala Ido Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kara Sri Cibernauti:#1 Generalajo #2 Linguo #3 Politiko #4 Religio ============================================================================== Kara Sro Earthlife:#1 Esez bonvenata per vua mala Ido che Idolisto. (^_^);;; ============================================================================== >Kara samideani: >Qua es la heroo qua kreis ca forumo? *Plez informar me pri to e predanko! >Me tre joyus se irgu kopius a me omna letri en Ido (di Idolisto?), > nam me deziras tre multe komprenar ca linguo maxim bona. >Me sendos adjuntanta informaji por via intereso e posibla komenti: 1. Sro James CHANDLER startis ica Ido-forumo. 2. Vu povus lektar omna letri di Idolisto che l'arkivo di egroups. 3. Yooo.. 'NO' creo que *Y (=me, 1ma pers. sing. nom. kazo; la "I" dil Angla) y *Qu sean mucho u'tiles para Ido, verdad? ============================================================================== Kara Sro Kurt HAGER:#2 Voluntez -ar, Prego -ez, e segun me Plez -ar ============================================================================== >Kara Amiki: Sioro Martignon es justa kande il dicis ke la nova Idisti lernas > imitante (=per imitar) la vorti quin li vidas che IDOLISTO. > Infanti lernas sua linguo per/de sua genitori. -> Kompreninde! Y(^_^)Y >Recenta (nove venanta) Idisti lernas la linguo Ido per/de la anciena Idisti. >Via mesaji esas nia instruktisti. Havez pacienteso kun ni. > La Grupo di Texas >Kara Amiki: Ka la Idala alfabeto esas: a, bo ,co, do, e, fo, go, ho, i, jo, > ko, lo, mo, no, o, po, quo, ro, so, to, u, vo, wo, xo, yo, e zo? >Prego dicez a ni la korekta formo. > Kordiale, Kurt E. Hager La nomi di la literi esas: a, be ,ce, [che], de, e, fe, ge, he, i, je, ke, le, me, ne, o, pe, que, re, se, [she], te, u, ve, we, xe (exe), ye, e ze. ============================================================================== Beste vriend Sro Hans STUIFBERGEN:#1 Esez bona vakanco por vu! ============================================================================== Me dezirus savar quale vu opinionas pri mea rocko*-muziko. ============================================================================== Kara Sro Jean MARTIGNON:#2 Chat e'chaude' craint l'eau froide. ============================================================================== >Pri la posibla degenero e nihiligo di Ido danke la sovaja reformemeso di ula > samideani (anke me?) e mala savo di la linguo. >Se onu tale uzadas Ido, forsan esus plu bona transirar ad Interlingua. >En ica linguo, la laboro por igar l'idiomo desreguloza ja esas facita. Tamen me tote ne prizas Interlingua, quankam Interlingua es tota facilajo por me, nam me parolas preske omna 'chefa Latinida lingui'. Me kredas ke anke me esas esencale konservema ma tre poke plu libera kam vu. E me voluntante agnoskas la fakto ke mea savo di Ido ankore esas mala. (Il y a une grande diffe'rence entre l'ide'al et la re'alite'.) Tamen por me, Ido es la maxim bona ed anke FORTA interlinguo ke onu nek facile degenerigus olu, nek povus facar "pidgin" de ol. Ya Ido-pidgin es posibla. Ma me expektas ke Ido-pidgin di Sro Earthlife balde esos normizita Ido che ni. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Adio! .....sincere via, B.Y.T. .....Idisto ed Idiotisto pro mea limitizita edukado ed anke Ido-Kavaliero kun abundanta hucpo* e numeroza erori ============================================================================== Plez* indikar mea erori pri vorti, gramatiko, dicmaniero ec., nam me esas nura ne-edukito e devas lernar dum ke me vivas. Me sempre esperas, samideani, via amikeso por EXTRA prenar peno de via parto por instruktar me, qua durstas ye savo ulaspecala. Tamen en rara kazo kande me savas plu bone kam vi, me volunte transdonos mea humila savo a vi segun via bezoni. ============================================================================== ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 593 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 25879 invoked by uid 7770); 21 Jun 1999 04:47:07 -0000 Received: from mga2.primo.co.jp (210.145.40.130) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 21 Jun 1999 04:47:07 -0000 Received: from mga2.primo.co.jp (unverified [210.145.40.140]) by mga2.primo.co.jp (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 13:50:50 +0900 Message-ID: From: "Bebson Y. TAKATA" To: "IDOLISTO" Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 13:40:35 +0900 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] Pri mea mala Ido Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kara Sri Cibernauti:#1 Generalajo #2 Linguo #3 Politiko #4 Religio ============================================================================== Kara Sro Earthlife:#1 Esez bonvenaNta per vua mala Ido che Idolisto. (^_^);;; ============================================================================== Me korektigas me ipsa. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Adio! .....sincere via, B.Y.T. .....Idisto ed Idiotisto pro mea limitizita edukado ed anke Ido-Kavaliero kun abundanta hucpo* e numeroza erori ============================================================================== Plez* indikar mea erori pri vorti, gramatiko, dicmaniero ec., nam me esas nura ne-edukito e devas lernar dum ke me vivas. Me sempre esperas, samideani, via amikeso por EXTRA prenar peno de via parto por instruktar me, qua durstas ye savo ulaspecala. Tamen en rara kazo kande me savas plu bone kam vi, me volunte transdonos mea humila savo a vi segun via bezoni. ============================================================================== ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 594 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 9066 invoked by uid 7770); 21 Jun 1999 13:23:05 -0000 Received: from law-f230.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (209.185.130.168) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 21 Jun 1999 13:23:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 69480 invoked by uid 0); 21 Jun 1999 13:23:05 -0000 Message-ID: <19990621132305.69479.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 159.15.128.3 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 06:23:04 PDT From: James Chandler To: idolisto@egroups.com Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 13:23:04 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] linguo di nova membri Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kar amiki Me bonvenigas "Earthlife" a nia listo, e me gratulas lu (ya ni devas uzar "lu" hike!) pro lua bona Ido. Uzon di *pliz me povas komprenar, nam ol ja esis uzata da kelka idisti. Tamen lua altra formi *qu e *y ne es bona, fakte amba formi es neposibla segun la fonologio* di Ido. Me pregas omni, komencanti ed experiencozi, esez sorgoza pri via uzo di la linguo; tale vu esos komprenata senprobleme. Kordiale, James Chandler idojc@hotmail.com http://yi.com/home/ChandlerJames http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Forum/5037 ______________________________________________________ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 595 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 10739 invoked by uid 7770); 21 Jun 1999 13:25:13 -0000 Received: from law-f181.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (209.185.131.244) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 21 Jun 1999 13:25:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 53560 invoked by uid 0); 21 Jun 1999 13:25:13 -0000 Message-ID: <19990621132513.53558.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 159.15.128.3 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 06:25:13 PDT From: James Chandler To: idolisto@egroups.com Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 13:25:13 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] alfabeto di Ido Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kar amiki Sro Hager questionis pri la nomi dil Idala literi. La vokali es simple: a, e, i, o, u. La konsonanti es la sono sequata da -e: be, ce, de, ...., ye, ze. Me esperas ke co helpos vu. Kordiale, James Chandler idojc@hotmail.com http://yi.com/home/ChandlerJames http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Forum/5037 ______________________________________________________ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 596 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 20485 invoked by uid 7770); 22 Jun 1999 01:16:19 -0000 Received: from mga2.primo.co.jp (210.145.40.130) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 22 Jun 1999 01:16:19 -0000 Received: from mga2.primo.co.jp (unverified [210.145.40.140]) by mga2.primo.co.jp (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 10:19:56 +0900 Message-ID: From: "Bebson Y. TAKATA" To: "IDOLISTO" Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 10:09:29 +0900 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] Pri mea mala instrukto Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kara Sri Cibernauti:#1 Generalajo #2 Linguo #3 Politiko #4 Religio ============================================================================== Kara Sro Kurt HAGER:#2 Ka vu esas USAano o Germano? ============================================================================== >Havez pacienteso kun ni. La grupo di Texas Se vu pensas en l'Angla, ma me pensis en Ido kande me korektigis vua letro, lore "Havez pacienteso KUN ni." -> "Havez pacienteso A ni." ...Geschafft! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Adio! .....sincere via, B.Y.T. .....Idisto ed Idiotisto pro mea limitizita edukado ed anke Ido-Kavaliero kun abundanta hucpo* e numeroza erori ============================================================================== Plez* indikar mea erori pri vorti, gramatiko, dicmaniero ec., nam me esas nura ne-edukito e devas lernar dum ke me vivas. Me sempre esperas, samideani, via amikeso por EXTRA prenar peno de via parto por instruktar me, qua durstas ye savo ulaspecala. Tamen en rara kazo kande me savas plu bone kam vi, me volunte transdonos mea humila savo a vi segun via bezoni. ============================================================================== ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 597 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 25809 invoked by uid 7770); 23 Jun 1999 10:35:22 -0000 Received: from epmsa001.ep.minsk.by (194.226.122.227) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 23 Jun 1999 10:35:22 -0000 Received: by epmsa001.ep.minsk.by with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 13:35:26 +0300 Message-ID: <8D76D48EDDD3D211AC3000A0C98212E703A837@epmsa001.ep.minsk.by> From: "Dmitri P. Laptsionak" To: 'IDOLISTO' Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 13:35:25 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Subject: [ido] Varma dii Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1251" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Saluto somera En Belarusia nun esas tre varma vetero. Pos kolda Mayo venis Junio e ni omna for-metis printempa vesti. Do, nia texasana mulieri, mi povas dicar, ke mulieri ed yunini en nia lando esas vestita ... mi opinionas tre e ultempe tro kuraje. Esas anekdoto pri co: "- Kara yunino, qua interesa esas vua zono*, ke jus sub ol videsas gambi? - To ne esas zono, to esas yupo..." (zono* - me ne savas la vorto por la Angla waistband, belt). Me sucese trovis via urbi en Texaso. Me astonis pro to quale proxime ili esas, mem un apud altra! Zmicier Lapcionak ------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 598 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 6814 invoked by uid 7770); 24 Jun 1999 11:16:32 -0000 Received: from law-f69.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (209.185.131.132) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 24 Jun 1999 11:16:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 64328 invoked by uid 0); 24 Jun 1999 11:16:33 -0000 Message-ID: <19990624111633.64327.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 194.83.240.16 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 04:16:32 PDT From: James Chandler To: idolisto@egroups.com Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 11:16:32 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] parolez pri Ido Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kar amiki Me joyas audar ke somero komencis che sro Laptsoniak. Hike anke somero komencas, e la vetero nun en junio es quaze perfekta. Plu tarde en la somero divenos tro varma por me, e me serchos ombro. Plusa plezuro catempe es la teniso che Wimbledon en London, quan me spektas omnadie dum ica du semani. Semblas ke nun esas plura ex-espisti che nia listo, qui supozeble ankore konocas adepti di la linguo di la Fundamento. Esas tre importanta por la suceso di Ido, ke ta homi parolez a sua espista amiki pri Ido, pri lua avantaji, lua historio e lua nuna movemento*. Segun informo, l'espisti nun imitas ni pri l'alfabeto, do ni darfas supozar ke future li profitos l'okaziono imitar ni pri altra kozi en Ido. Ma unesme li mustas savar! Informez li pri Ido! Kordiale, James Chandler idojc@hotmail.com http://yi.com/home/ChandlerJames http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Forum/5037 ______________________________________________________ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 599 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 6328 invoked by uid 7770); 25 Jun 1999 08:57:07 -0000 Received: from qg.egroups.com (HELO qg.findmail.com) (10.1.2.27) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 25 Jun 1999 08:57:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 4896 invoked from network); 24 Jun 1999 20:57:45 -0000 Received: from mta4.iol.it (195.210.91.154) by qg.egroups.com with SMTP; 24 Jun 1999 20:57:45 -0000 Received: from x ([151.15.66.51]) by mta4.iol.it (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with SMTP id AAA321A for ; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 22:57:40 +0200 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19990624224757.00690d1c@popmail.iol.it> X-Sender: paolo.pio@popmail.iol.it X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 22:47:57 +0200 To: idolisto@egroups.com From: Paolo Paoletti Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] No Subject Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mi petas diskulpon, mi ne ankore ne povas parolar o scribar bone la linguon idon! Me ne komprenas bone la genitivon en Ido: kad es la parolo "di" o la parolo "de"? Multa idisti skribas "di" quo existas sole en italiano standard (Toskano). Anke en mi regiono de Italia oni diras en la linguo de omnedia "de". Me pensas ke la parolo "di" es eroro. Saluti Paolo Paoletti Perugia - Umbria - Italia ============ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 600 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 25624 invoked by uid 7770); 25 Jun 1999 11:28:22 -0000 Received: from qg.egroups.com (HELO qg.findmail.com) (10.1.2.27) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 25 Jun 1999 11:28:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 877 invoked from network); 24 Jun 1999 15:29:10 -0000 Received: from epmsa001.ep.minsk.by (194.226.122.227) by qg.egroups.com with SMTP; 24 Jun 1999 15:29:10 -0000 Received: by epmsa001.ep.minsk.by with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 18:29:09 +0300 Message-ID: <8D76D48EDDD3D211AC3000A0C98212E703A83B@epmsa001.ep.minsk.by> From: "Dmitri P. Laptsionak" To: 'IDOLISTO' Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 18:29:08 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Subject: [ido] Ankore omnu dormas? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1251" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Saluto vekiganta. Ube vi esas, Idolistani? Ka omna ankore dormas? Me saveskis, ke aparis nova listo por Esperanto [Venezuelo en la reto]. Me membreskis ibe. Poke ni diskutis pri "internacieso" di artefacita lingvi. (Kelka personi dicas, ke Esperanto, Ido, Novial, Interlingua, ec. ne esas internacia, ma europa lingvi). Dum me partoprenis en la Esperantala listo, semblas, ke omna en ca Idala listo desaparis. Ka vi omna ofenseskis e jaluzas ad mea nova Esperantista amiki? Ma me duras esar Idisto ne ruptante esar Esperantisto. Ulu dicez irgo!!! Ne dormez!!! Vi darfas dicar: Zmicieracho irez for! Tua radataji ja tedis a ni :-| Me ne foriros, ma aparos ula dialogo... Zmicier Lapcionak ------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 601 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 8560 invoked by uid 7770); 25 Jun 1999 12:14:29 -0000 Received: from qh.egroups.com (HELO qh.findmail.com) (10.1.2.28) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 25 Jun 1999 12:14:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 12005 invoked from network); 25 Jun 1999 10:14:56 -0000 Received: from epmsa001.ep.minsk.by (194.226.122.227) by qh.egroups.com with SMTP; 25 Jun 1999 10:14:56 -0000 Received: by epmsa001.ep.minsk.by with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 13:14:56 +0300 Message-ID: <8D76D48EDDD3D211AC3000A0C98212E703A83F@epmsa001.ep.minsk.by> From: "Dmitri P. Laptsionak" To: 'IDOLISTO' Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 13:14:55 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Subject: [ido] Re: Prepozicioni DE - DI Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Saluto klariganta Se me ne eraras (e nun me ne eraras), existas tri prepozicioni da, de, di. En "Kompleta gramatiko detaloza" vu povas lektar: - Da indikas la facanto, facinto o faconto di la ago. - De indikas la punto di de-veno (en la spaco e tempo), l'origino, la dependo, la departal punto. - Di indikas nur la posedo, la aparteno, o la relato generala di ul objekto (quan la genitivo expresas en la lingui flexionala). Voluntez lektar ibe plu kompletan priskribon e bona exempli. Do l' Idala prepozicioni nul-maniere konfundas kun ta en l' Itala. Zmicier ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 602 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 7946 invoked by uid 7770); 25 Jun 1999 14:17:56 -0000 Received: from qg.egroups.com (HELO qg.findmail.com) (10.1.2.27) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 25 Jun 1999 14:17:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 2916 invoked from network); 25 Jun 1999 11:06:24 -0000 Received: from law-f155.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (209.185.131.218) by qg.egroups.com with SMTP; 25 Jun 1999 11:06:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 3867 invoked by uid 0); 25 Jun 1999 11:06:18 -0000 Message-ID: <19990625110618.3866.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 159.15.128.3 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 04:06:17 PDT From: James Chandler To: idolisto@egroups.com Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 11:06:17 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] Fwd: No Subject Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Paolo Paoletti skribis: >Me ne komprenas bone la genitivon en Ido: kad es la parolo "di" o la >parolo "de"? La prepoziciono qua asumas la rolo di genitivo en Ido es: di. Do ni dicas: la domo di mea fratino, la suceso di nia movemento*, ec. La prepoziciono: de indikas origino o movo ek un loko ad altra, quale l'angla "from": il venis de sua hemo, irar de hike ad ibe, ec. >Multa idisti skribas "di" quo existas sole en italiano standard (Toskano). >Anke en mi regiono de Italia oni diras en la linguo de omnedia "de". >Me pensas ke la parolo "di" es eroro. No, fakte hike "de" es eroro, ecepte se on volas indikar specale movo od origino. Kordiale, James Chandler idojc@hotmail.com http://yi.com/home/ChandlerJames http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Forum/5037 ______________________________________________________ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 603 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@eGroups.com Received: (qmail 19333 invoked by uid 7770); 25 Jun 1999 17:43:31 -0000 Received: from qg.egroups.com (HELO qg.findmail.com) (10.1.2.27) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 25 Jun 1999 17:43:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 3480 invoked from network); 25 Jun 1999 15:27:29 -0000 Received: from mu.egroups.com (207.138.41.151) by qg.egroups.com with SMTP; 25 Jun 1999 15:27:29 -0000 Received: from [10.1.1.19] by mu.egroups.com with NNFMP; 25 Jun 1999 16:27:29 -0000 Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 08:27:24 -0700 From: ThomW@webtv.net To: idolisto@eGroups.com Message-ID: <7l074s$tr5d@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.71 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: www.eGroups.com Message Poster Subject: [ido] Me dankas pro l' revui Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Kar samideani-- Me ne skribabis a Idolisto longtempe, pro multa kozi, ma me= nur deziras dankar onmi pro la "Ido-Saluto!" e "Progresso" qui me ricevis = en la posto lastsemane. I am so backed up in my emails etc, I have had= little time to write to or even read Ido-listo. But you all are still in = my thoughts. Wishing you the best of fun at Neviges and hope all is well w= ith each of you. Sincere, Thom Wilkerson San Jose CA USA ---------------= ---------------------------------------------------------- eGroups.com home= : http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifyin= g group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 604 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 27831 invoked by uid 7770); 25 Jun 1999 20:08:30 -0000 Received: from qg.egroups.com (HELO qg.findmail.com) (10.1.2.27) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 25 Jun 1999 20:08:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 14579 invoked from network); 25 Jun 1999 18:10:44 -0000 Received: from rs1s2.datacenter.cha.cantv.net (200.44.32.51) by qg.egroups.com with SMTP; 25 Jun 1999 18:10:44 -0000 Received: from cantv.net (tc5r7-021.ras.cha.cantv.net [200.44.13.148]) by rs1s2.datacenter.cha.cantv.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1/1.0) with SMTP id OAA26747 for ; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 14:10:40 -0400 (VET) Message-Id: <199906251810.OAA26747@rs1s2.datacenter.cha.cantv.net> From: "Daniel Alegrett" Organization: Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 14:18:18 -0400 X-Mailer: Arachne V1.48;beta To: idolisto@egroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] Me recevis posto de Germana Ido-Societo! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Me joyas! Me recevis hodie mea unesma posto! (Yes, UNESMA). E mea unesma revecita posto esas de Germana Ido-Societo! Me ankore ne legas ol: Me recevis Progeso n. 315 ed Ido Saluto numero 4. La idala postal marki esas bela! Ka esas omna en la (?)pako?: "Die Sendung wurde leider besch�digt und deshalb von der Deutschen Post mit Kunststoff-h�lle versehen" La papera pako esis (?)aperta. Vua, Daniel Karakas, Venezuela (Me ankore ne lernas skribar Ido, ma me komprenas omna ol!) ////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
ALEGRETT Salazar, Daniel Alberto (1977-1999?). Biog. Malhumorista venezolano, nacido en Caracas, auto-exiliado en cuanto pueda. Creador y vocero del malhumorismo* y hombre de ideas anti-intelectuales extremistas, no dej� obra escrita ni registrada en alg�n otro medio. Su recuerdo es poco grato y al menos apenas si existe. Se desconoce su paradero desde poco despu�s de su nacimiento. Su importancia radica en la donaci�n que hizo de su cuerpo a la medicina. Si bien sus �rganos vitales se reputan inutilizables, su cabellera le podr�a venir bien a un pel�n que disponga de bajo presupuesto.

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Me lernis lingui che la universitato de mea = urbo,. Me trovis nun ula interesa pagini en internet et me interscribis ku= m poka amiki en volap=FCk. Me ankore povas scribar et parolar poka, ma me = ne trovas la linguon tam desfacila o absurda quam oni credas. Simple me ne= havis semper la tempon por plibonigar mea konoco de la linguo. Kom italo = ido es sen dubito pli facila de volap=FCk, kom Chinio o Japonio me ne povas= judikar, ma me dubitas!!! Lo pli dificila en un linguo internaciona es k= e oni decidas selektar un linguon! Esperanto, ido, Novial, volap=FCk etc e= tc...... Glidis (=3Dsaluti en Volap=FCk) Paolo Paoletti Menade Bal - P= =FCki Bal (qui savas la signifiko en Volap=FCk?) ------------------------= ------------------------------------------------- eGroups.com home: http://= www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group c= ommunications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 606 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 28861 invoked by uid 7770); 26 Jun 1999 13:05:15 -0000 Received: from qg.egroups.com (HELO qg.findmail.com) (10.1.2.27) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 26 Jun 1999 13:05:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 4531 invoked from network); 26 Jun 1999 13:05:15 -0000 Received: from law-f142.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (209.185.131.205) by qg.egroups.com with SMTP; 26 Jun 1999 13:05:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 90123 invoked by uid 0); 26 Jun 1999 13:05:15 -0000 Message-ID: <19990626130515.90122.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 194.83.240.16 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 06:05:14 PDT From: James Chandler To: idolisto@egroups.com Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 13:05:14 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] mankanta idisti e prepozicioni Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kar amiki Semblas ke kelka idisti vakancas icatempe, quale remarkita da sro Laptsionak. Espereble li balde retrovenos e raportas pri sua vakanci... Sro Lapts. es tote justa pri la funcioni di di/de/da en Ido. Esas tre importanta ke idisti lernas uzar ica tri vorti korekte e precize, nam li expresas vera diferi en la relati inter kozi. Exemple en Espo, on ne povas distingar: la linguo di Zamenhof, la linguo da Zamenhof. Hike me kredas ke l'angla of/from/by-sistemo es vere la maxim imitenda. Kordiale, James Chandler idojc@hotmail.com http://yi.com/home/ChandlerJames http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Forum/5037 ______________________________________________________ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 607 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 32561 invoked by uid 7770); 26 Jun 1999 13:13:34 -0000 Received: from qh.egroups.com (HELO qh.findmail.com) (10.1.2.28) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 26 Jun 1999 13:13:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 15407 invoked from network); 26 Jun 1999 13:13:34 -0000 Received: from law-f121.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (209.185.131.184) by qh.egroups.com with SMTP; 26 Jun 1999 13:13:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 29308 invoked by uid 0); 26 Jun 1999 13:13:34 -0000 Message-ID: <19990626131334.29307.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 194.83.240.16 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 06:13:34 PDT From: James Chandler To: idolisto@egroups.com Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 13:13:34 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] la netoleremeso di espisti Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kar amiki Sequante mea mesajo "Parolez pri Ido" me recevis mesajo de interesato qua konfirmas ke l'espisti ankore uzas sua kustumala taktiki kontre ti qui audacas mencionar Ido o mem sugestar ke Ido forsan es preferebla kam Esp certenamaniere. Semblas ke la espisti ne nur ne voluntas diskutar reformi di Esp; li mem ne toleras irga altra opiniono. Libereso di parolo evidente ne existas en Esperantujo, malgre ke ol es inkluzita en la Esp-versiono dil UDHR. Forsan li devas rilektar ta dokumento. La metodi dil espisti es ti di komunista Rusia ante la falo di la muro di Berlin. Li es neaceptebla en nia tempi, e me kondamnas li absolute. Kordiale, James Chandler idojc@hotmail.com http://yi.com/home/ChandlerJames http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Forum/5037 ______________________________________________________ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 608 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 5176 invoked by uid 7770); 27 Jun 1999 09:09:50 -0000 Received: from qh.egroups.com (HELO qh.findmail.com) (10.1.2.28) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 27 Jun 1999 09:09:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 792 invoked from network); 27 Jun 1999 09:09:49 -0000 Received: from epmsa001.ep.minsk.by (194.226.122.227) by qh.egroups.com with SMTP; 27 Jun 1999 09:09:49 -0000 Received: by epmsa001.ep.minsk.by with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Sun, 27 Jun 1999 12:10:08 +0300 Message-ID: <8D76D48EDDD3D211AC3000A0C98212E703A841@epmsa001.ep.minsk.by> From: "Dmitri P. Laptsionak" To: 'IDOLISTO' Date: Sun, 27 Jun 1999 12:10:07 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Subject: [ido] Vakanci Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1251" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Saluto de nevakancanta Probable altra Ido-listani esas en vakanco. Me ne esas. Me laboris dum tri yari en un instituto sen vakanco ya tre urghis laboro. E ca-yare me trovis altra posteno en privata firmo. Do me ankore ne povas havar vakanco dum 10 monati. Pri prepozicioni. Me skribis, ke me ne povas erarar, ya me citis ek KGD. Me anke opinionas ke la tri prepozicioni esas tre oportuna. En Esperanto onu multe trublas su pro manko di tala precizeco: quale indikar la facanto? farita de --> fare de --> far. Praktikado di Esperanto montris la manko, ma li ne volas aceptar nova prepoziciono. Zmicier Lapcionak ------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 609 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 10238 invoked by uid 7770); 27 Jun 1999 09:29:55 -0000 Received: from qh.egroups.com (HELO qh.findmail.com) (10.1.2.28) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 27 Jun 1999 09:29:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 2325 invoked from network); 27 Jun 1999 09:29:55 -0000 Received: from epmsa001.ep.minsk.by (194.226.122.227) by qh.egroups.com with SMTP; 27 Jun 1999 09:29:55 -0000 Received: by epmsa001.ep.minsk.by with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Sun, 27 Jun 1999 12:30:18 +0300 Message-ID: <8D76D48EDDD3D211AC3000A0C98212E703A842@epmsa001.ep.minsk.by> From: "Dmitri P. Laptsionak" To: "'idolisto@egroups.com'" Date: Sun, 27 Jun 1999 12:30:17 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Subject: [ido] Daniel Alegrett, qua vu esas? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Saluto Daniel Alegrett Me tre joyas vidar vu en Ido-listo. Esas interesa questiono por me, en Esperanto-listo "Venezuela en la reto" me kontaktis kun "Daniel Alegrett", ed ibe esas anke persono "Alegrett S Daniel A". Ka ta nomo esas anke vua? Inter mesaji di ta listo esas nomo "Luis Alberto Alegrett", to certe esas ne vu, ma forsan ula parento? Esas tre mirakla vua ri-saneso. Yen pro quo la mulieri esas la maxim kara e bela en nia mondo. La maxim bona kozo esas amo. (E la maxim plezura ago esas amado). Vu dicis ke me amas mulieri. To ne esas tote justa. Ya existas diversa ami. Me amas mea spozino. Me amas la homi. Me amas dolcaji. To esas tri diversa ami. Ma regretinde me ne savas lingvo, en qua on povas distingar ca kozi. Zmicier. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 610 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 17458 invoked by uid 7770); 27 Jun 1999 20:58:33 -0000 Received: from qg.egroups.com (HELO qg.findmail.com) (10.1.2.27) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 27 Jun 1999 20:58:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 3213 invoked from network); 27 Jun 1999 20:58:33 -0000 Received: from out2.minitel.net (HELO gmailint2.globalmail.net) (193.252.91.11) by qg.egroups.com with SMTP; 27 Jun 1999 20:58:33 -0000 Date: Sun, 27 Jun 1999 22:58:29 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199906272058.WAA05537@gmailint2.globalmail.net> From: martignonjean@lemel.fr (Jean Martignon) To: idolisto@egroups.com (IDOLISTO) MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] Retroveno Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Kara cibernauti, Me retrovenas de kurta sejorno vakancala e me nun rilektas la Idala mesaji. Me prefekte asentas kun s-ro James Chandler pri la fakto ke la Esperantisti esas quale la komunisti ante la disfalo dil murego di Berlin. Adminime tale esis la impreso quan me havis e qua instigis me serchar altra interlinguala movado. La problemo tamen esas ke en Ido esas homi qui volas sencese chanjar ne-utile la vorti. Exemple pro quo chanjar vorto qua funcionas bone e senprobleme, mem se ol ne plezas ad onu ? Dume onu oblivias okupesar pri vorti qui esas vere ambigua e facas problemo. Exemple en Ido existas la vorti rakontar por inventita fakto e naracar por parolar pri realajo, ma ne existas vorto por parolar pri afero pri qua onu ne savas kad ol esas vera o ne. Me propozis rakontar (*) por la kazo en qua onu ne savas ka la fakto esas vera o ne, naracar kun la kustumala senco e fabular (*) por inventita fakto. Diskutar pri ica temo esus plu oportuna, nam altra homi povas havar plu bona idei por la vortaro kam me. Ma esas vana volar reformar vorti qui funcionas bone quale : delegitaro, movado, prego o voluntez. Diskuto povus esar utila, ma pri vere utila vortala temi e ne pri frivolaji tale plez o treto. Regretinde omnatempe l'Idisti mem tre valoroza ed intelektale altanivela tro prizis vanaji ed obliviis la vera necesaji. Ico esas tante plu regretinda ke nia linguo esas forsan maxim valoroza interlinguo, ma pro neracionoza (ho mani di Couturat !) konduto dil Idisti, ol esas multe min difuzita kam Espo. Ni devus lernar ye la experienco. Menade bal, pu"ki bal signifikas : Al un homaro un linguo. Me kredas ke me ja sendis mesajo icarelate por instigar a diskuto, nam es(is)(as) homi qui kred(is)(as) ke la vinko di irga Interlinguo mustas esar sequata per la desaparo di omna nacionala ed etnala lingui. Kordiala ciberspacala saluti. martignonjean@lemel.fr ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 611 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 3123 invoked by uid 7770); 27 Jun 1999 21:35:29 -0000 Received: from qh.egroups.com (HELO qh.findmail.com) (10.1.2.28) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 27 Jun 1999 21:35:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 26527 invoked from network); 27 Jun 1999 21:35:28 -0000 Received: from mout00.kundenserver.de (195.20.224.69) by qh.egroups.com with SMTP; 27 Jun 1999 21:35:28 -0000 Received: from [195.20.224.67] (helo=mx00.kundenserver.de) by mout00.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 10yMaF-0001O4-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Sun, 27 Jun 1999 23:35:27 +0200 Received: from [212.81.172.19] (helo=www) by mx00.kundenserver.de with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 10yMaA-00029R-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Sun, 27 Jun 1999 23:35:22 +0200 Message-ID: <009101bec0e4$de408780$13ac51d4@fen.baynet.de> From: "Frank Kasper" To: References: <199906251810.OAA26747@rs1s2.datacenter.cha.cantv.net> Date: Sun, 27 Jun 1999 23:09:23 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Subject: [ido] Re: Sendajo kun specimo di Ido-revui dil Germana Ido-Societo Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Kara amiki! Kun grandega plezuro me lektis la mesajo da nia kara amiko Daniel Alegrett kun l'informo, ke lu recevis la sendajo kun specimo di Ido-revuo sendita a lu dil Germana Ido-Societo. Me ttre esperas, ke la revui recevita plezos a lu e helpos a lu lernar nia kara Ido-linguo. La frazo "Die Sendung wurde leider besch�digt und deshalb von der Deutschen Post mit Kunststoff-h�lle versehen" esis adjuntita de la "Germana Posto" e signifikas: "La sendajo regretinde domajeskis e pro to ni provizeskis per sinteza envelopilo." Okazione me volas memorigar precipue omna novadheranti che Idolisto koncerne l'ofro dil Germana Ido-Societo sendar anke a li tala gratuita specimo di Ido-revui. Se ulu deziras recevar ol, lore me volas kurajigar lu saveskigar a me lua postala adreso, por ke me povos aranjar la dissendo dil specimo a lu! Ca ofro esas valida sen limitizita dato. Kun la maxim kordiala ed amikala saluti! Frank Kasper , frank.kasper@idolinguo.de ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 612 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 24469 invoked by uid 7770); 27 Jun 1999 23:15:35 -0000 Received: from qg.egroups.com (HELO qg.findmail.com) (10.1.2.27) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 27 Jun 1999 23:15:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 23039 invoked from network); 27 Jun 1999 23:15:34 -0000 Received: from mout00.kundenserver.de (195.20.224.69) by qg.egroups.com with SMTP; 27 Jun 1999 23:15:34 -0000 Received: from [195.20.224.67] (helo=mx00.kundenserver.de) by mout00.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 10yO97-0007s1-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 01:15:33 +0200 Received: from [212.81.171.147] (helo=www) by mx00.kundenserver.de with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 10yO91-0001Y0-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 01:15:28 +0200 Message-ID: <00e301bec0f2$d9f84e20$13ac51d4@fen.baynet.de> From: "Frank Kasper" To: "IDOLISTO" References: <199906272058.WAA05537@gmailint2.globalmail.net> Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 00:33:23 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Subject: [ido] Re: Retroveno Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Kara amiki! Kun grandega joyo me lektis la mesajo da Jean Matignon relate lua retroveno de lua vakanco. Me tote konformas kun lua remarki relate la prezenta situeso en l'idistaro e che Idolisto. Me ya transsendis lua mesajo a sioro Alfred Neussner ed okazione transsendos ol a la prezidanto dil ULI, sioro Guenter Anton. Anke me mem esis en vakanci dum un semano. Me vizitis la hemurbo da nia kara amiko Goncalo Neves, quan me regretinde ne povis rirenkontrar, por ke il pro profesiona afero esis en exterlando e ne versimile nek sucesis kontaktar me nek Idolisto depos lua departo til hodie. Tamen me pasis agreablega tempo en Lisboa. Me regardis la maxim importanta vidindaji quale la kastelo, l'aquedukto e la historiala eniro-turo de Lisboa en Bel�m. Preferinde me manjis fresha fish-manjaji (See-food), ma mea lasta manjajo esis rostita karno de taur-yuna. Omna manjaji vere esis tre saporoza. Dum un dio me vizitis la proxima riviero dil Atlantiko en Cascais, ad ube me iris per regionala treno. Ibe me manjis saporoza koquita heliki. Kompreneble me anke drinkis kelka specalaji alkoholizita, quale la "Gingina" (Jinjinia), forta ceriz-liquoro e la "Vinho Verde" (verda vino). Dum kelka nokti me povis experiencar la "Festo di Lisboa - Descobetas sen fim" (festo de Lisboa sen fino), quo eventis sur quar diversa ceni sub la libera cielo de 22.00 til cirkume 01.30 kloki omnanokte (dum la semanofino ya de 18.00 kloki e sur un ceno dum la tota jorno til la tarda nokto). Tale me povis regardar folklorala grupi ek Hispania e Cuba e la humoroza e felicoza homi de Lisboa dansinte segun la muziko e sur la stradi e.c. Regretinde la tempo pasis tre rapide e lore me ya ante un semano devis retroflugar a Germania, ube me ya itere devis laborar depos sis dii. Pro to me regretinde ne trovis la tempo skribar mea raporto e partoprenar en la diskuti che Idolisto ante nun. Omnakaze mea voyajo a Lisboa, la hemurbo da nia katra amiko Goncalo Neves, restos en mea memoro kam maxim agreabla. Kun la maxim kordiala ed amikala saluti a vi omni! Frank Kasper frank.kasper@idolinguo.de ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 613 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 8863 invoked by uid 7770); 25 Jun 1999 19:13:34 -0000 Received: from qh.egroups.com (HELO qh.findmail.com) (10.1.2.28) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 25 Jun 1999 19:13:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 17700 invoked from network); 25 Jun 1999 18:59:44 -0000 Received: from mu.egroups.com (207.138.41.151) by qh.egroups.com with SMTP; 25 Jun 1999 18:59:44 -0000 Received: from [10.1.1.19] by mu.egroups.com with NNFMP; 25 Jun 1999 19:59:43 -0000 Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 18:59:43 -0000 From: frank.kasper@01019freenet.de To: idolisto@egroups.com Subject: [ido] Internaciona Ido-renkontro 1999 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi all, here's an event that you may be interested in. Event: Internaciona Ido-renkontro 1999 Date: Fri Aug 06, 1999 Description: Dum la Internaciona Ido-renkontro 1999 en Wuppertal-Neviges (Germania) renkontros Ido-amiki ek diversa landi por diskutar la futuro di lia komuna linguo e por komune travivar kelka agreabla dii en amikala rondo de la 06ma til la 10ma di agosto. To add this event to your personal calendar, simply click on this link: http://www.egroups.com/cal?md=accept&eid=133145 If you have any other comments, you can reply to this message. eGroups.com Calendar ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 614 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 6540 invoked by uid 7770); 26 Jun 1999 18:27:23 -0000 Received: from qh.egroups.com (HELO qh.findmail.com) (10.1.2.28) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 26 Jun 1999 18:27:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 30117 invoked from network); 26 Jun 1999 18:27:24 -0000 Received: from mailout06.btx.dtag.de (194.25.2.154) by qh.egroups.com with SMTP; 26 Jun 1999 18:27:24 -0000 Received: from fwd15.btx.dtag.de ([194.25.2.175]) by mailout06.btx.dtag.de with smtp id 10xxAh-0005QI-00; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 20:27:23 +0200 Received: from oemcomputer (0304276232-0002(btxid)@[212.184.140.137]) by fwd15.btx.dtag.de with smtp id ; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 20:27:16 +0200 Message-ID: <000201bec001$a4fb8580$898cb8d4@oemcomputer> To: Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 08:59:54 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Sender: 0304276232-0002@t-online.de From: eb.scholz@t-online.de (Scholz) Subject: [ido] ihiuhiuhjioujhiu Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit imhjiuhjiujiujiuj ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 615 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 9517 invoked by uid 7770); 29 Jun 1999 13:07:53 -0000 Received: from qh.egroups.com (HELO qh.findmail.com) (10.1.2.28) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 29 Jun 1999 13:07:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 4612 invoked from network); 29 Jun 1999 13:07:54 -0000 Received: from spartacus.a2000.nl (HELO smtp2.a2000.nl) (62.108.1.20) by qh.egroups.com with SMTP; 29 Jun 1999 13:07:54 -0000 Received: from node118d7.a2000.nl ([24.132.24.215] helo=HansStuifbergen) by smtp2.a2000.nl with smtp (Exim 2.02 #4) id 10yxc7-0000sk-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 15:07:51 +0200 Message-ID: <003d01bec231$6ec76560$d7188418@HansStuifbergen.a2000.nl> From: "Ido-Info" To: "idolisto" Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 15:15:17 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Subject: [ido] avalancho de mesaji Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kar amiki, Yen, kurta mesajo de Amsterdam. Yes, efektive, me jus retrovenis de vakanco en la sudo di Nederlando. Me sejornis ibe dum semano, parbrulis mea pelo per la suno e vento. Me e bon amiko kampis ibe, ni esis tre fortunoza pro la belega vetero. Nur la lasta un e duima dio pluvis e tre ventis, mem tempestis, ma, miraklo miraklo!, la tendo restis stacanta!!! Me kelke repozos pro la voyajo e pos kelka hori rikontaktos vi. Saluti amikala, Hans St. ************************************************ Ido, linguo internaciona, absolute vizitez: http://members.tripod.com/~avancigado ************************************************ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 616 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 23435 invoked by uid 7770); 29 Jun 1999 16:05:55 -0000 Received: from qg.egroups.com (HELO qg.findmail.com) (10.1.2.27) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 29 Jun 1999 16:05:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 28933 invoked from network); 29 Jun 1999 16:05:54 -0000 Received: from mout00.kundenserver.de (195.20.224.69) by qg.egroups.com with SMTP; 29 Jun 1999 16:05:54 -0000 Received: from [195.20.224.67] (helo=mx00.kundenserver.de) by mout00.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 10z0OP-0001KD-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 18:05:53 +0200 Received: from [212.81.171.15] (helo=www) by mx00.kundenserver.de with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 10z0Mi-0006Uf-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 18:04:09 +0200 Message-ID: <000801bec248$ec8c3cc0$0fab51d4@fen.baynet.de> From: "Frank Kasper" To: "Idolisto (Mesaji)" Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 17:55:24 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Subject: [ido] Re: Diversa komenti da Alfred Neussner Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0005_01BEC258.900E00E0" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01BEC258.900E000E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" content-transfer-encoding: 7bit content-type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Kara amiki! Pos kelka tempo sioro Alfred Neussner itere sendis a me kelka komenti koncerne recenta mesaji che Idolisto por transsendo a vi: Kara amiki! Komuniko ad omna nova Idisti, qui venas de Esperanto; En Ido on kustumale ne adaptas urbala nomi al Ido-ortografio. Kondicione, ke en ca lando uzesas la Latina alfabeto, on skribas sempre la nomi same kam en la landala linguo, do: Caracas I Nomi di landi kun altra alfabeto skribesez segun l'ldo-ortografio: Yelcin, Krushchov, Beiying. Por Daniel: La sendajo nur kontenis ca du revui. La mencionita marki ne esas postala marki, ma privata Ido-marki. Por Jean Martignon: Me ne opinionas. ke la disputo linguala inter l'ldisti esas la kauzo por la ne-progreso di Ido. Se, lore nur tre poke. La maxim granda, segun mea opiniono, esas la quanto dil Idisti. La homi prizas kunagar ye la plu granda grupo. L'atraktiveso di Esperanto ne venas de olua qualeso, ma de olua difuzeso. Multa grupi, renkontri, libri, revui, - ka la linguo vere es la maxim bona, to es min importanta. Kande Ido havos certena quanto di adheranti, lore automate venos la novadheranti, - kondicione ke on anke habile uzas ca avantajo. (Esas same kam pri la pekunio, on dicas: Aquirar l'unesma miliono esas lo maxim desfacila) Lo simila eventas en la politiko: On votas por la plu granda partisi, mem se on esas konvinkata, ke li facas nulo efikiva por la populo. Me opinionas, ke nula Internaciona helplinguo dum la lasta 50 yari propozis sua linguo kom unika linguo por la tota mondo subisante omna nacionala lingui. Kordiala saluti! Alfred Neussner alfred.neussner@idolinguo.de ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01BEC258.900E000E0-- From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 617 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 28870 invoked by uid 7770); 29 Jun 1999 21:09:53 -0000 Received: from qg.egroups.com (HELO qg.findmail.com) (10.1.2.27) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 29 Jun 1999 21:09:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 30526 invoked from network); 29 Jun 1999 21:09:52 -0000 Received: from law-f286.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (209.185.130.225) by qg.egroups.com with SMTP; 29 Jun 1999 21:09:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 44877 invoked by uid 0); 29 Jun 1999 21:09:52 -0000 Message-ID: <19990629210952.44876.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 144.173.6.13 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 14:09:52 PDT From: James Chandler To: idolisto@egroups.com Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 21:09:52 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] komenti da A Neussner Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kar amiki Me joyas pri la itera partopreno da Frank e Hans en la listo, ma me ne komprenas la komunikajo de sro Scholz: kad eroro? Me specale dankas Frank pro la memorigilo pri la *nexta konfero en Germania (me ne povos asistar, ma se vu povos, asistez! me rekomendas lo), e pro la komenti da sro Neussner, quin me trovis tre interesanta. L'espisti kredas, ke la relativa suceso di Esp kompare kun Ido dum la lasta yardeki pruvas ke Esp havas plu granda chanco di suceso. Ma segun la vidpunto di sro N, to nur pruvas ke Esp sucesis ganar certena quanteso di homi e konservar li. Kordiale, James Chandler idojc@hotmail.com http://yi.com/home/ChandlerJames http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Forum/5037 ______________________________________________________ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 618 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 3176 invoked by uid 7770); 29 Jun 1999 22:44:45 -0000 Received: from qh.egroups.com (HELO qh.findmail.com) (10.1.2.28) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 29 Jun 1999 22:44:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 32267 invoked from network); 29 Jun 1999 22:44:45 -0000 Received: from spartacus.a2000.nl (HELO smtp2.a2000.nl) (62.108.1.20) by qh.egroups.com with SMTP; 29 Jun 1999 22:44:45 -0000 Received: from node118d7.a2000.nl ([24.132.24.215] helo=HansStuifbergen) by smtp2.a2000.nl with smtp (Exim 2.02 #4) id 10z6cN-0005gF-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 00:44:43 +0200 Message-ID: <000301bec282$071c8840$d7188418@HansStuifbergen.a2000.nl> From: "Ido-Info" To: "idolisto" Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 23:36:52 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Subject: [ido] nove aparis / nove aparis / nove aparis / nove aparis / nove aparis / nove aparis Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit *****reklamo******reklamo*****reklamo*****reklamo*****reklamo**** NOVE APARIS: LA HERISONI rakonteto desegnita, kontre automobili da rymke Fl. 2,50 / 1,40 Euri / $ 2.- / DM 2,50 / 1 Pound Sterling / Lire It. 3000 / Franki Fr. 8 / 2 Int. Kup. di Resp. isbn 90 73034 32 9 Editerio Atalanta, Utrecht, Nederlando, obtenebla mediacante Editerio Tia Libro, Postapart 33301, 1090 PC Amsterdam, Nederlando ************************************************ Ido, linguo internaciona, absolute vizitez: http://members.tripod.com/~avancigado ************************************************ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 619 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 19705 invoked by uid 7770); 30 Jun 1999 10:26:39 -0000 Received: from qg.egroups.com (HELO qg.findmail.com) (10.1.2.27) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 30 Jun 1999 10:26:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 13926 invoked from network); 30 Jun 1999 10:26:39 -0000 Received: from mout00.kundenserver.de (195.20.224.69) by qg.egroups.com with SMTP; 30 Jun 1999 10:26:39 -0000 Received: from [195.20.224.67] (helo=mx00.kundenserver.de) by mout00.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 10zHZe-0004Ll-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 12:26:38 +0200 Received: from [212.81.174.75] (helo=www) by mx00.kundenserver.de with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 10zHZc-0003Q4-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 12:26:36 +0200 Message-ID: <007901bec2e2$ef0915a0$43aa51d4@fen.baynet.de> From: "Frank Kasper" To: References: <19990629210952.44876.qmail@hotmail.com> Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 12:24:53 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Subject: [ido] Re: Suceso Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kar amiko James! Kun grandega plezuro me povas informar vu, ke Hans e me hiere sucesis rianuncar vu e me kam administreri dil Idolisto. Vu nun povas konektigar su per vua nova e-postala adreso aden Idolisto ed administrar ol. Konseque vu anke atingos la membrolisto. Kordiala saluti! Vua amiko Frank frank.kasper@idolinguo.de ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 620 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 2654 invoked by uid 7770); 30 Jun 1999 13:26:15 -0000 Received: from qh.egroups.com (HELO qh.findmail.com) (10.1.2.28) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 30 Jun 1999 13:26:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 434 invoked from network); 30 Jun 1999 13:26:15 -0000 Received: from new.sis.it (HELO dipobox.sis.it) (193.70.16.253) by qh.egroups.com with SMTP; 30 Jun 1999 13:26:15 -0000 Received: from lizard [193.70.17.20] with smtp by dipobox.sis.it with smtp (Smail-3.2.0.103 1998-Oct-9 #4 #4) id m10zKLT-000R4JC; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 15:24:11 +0200 (MEST) Message-Id: Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 15:24:11 +0200 (MEST) X-Sender: narcar@mailserver.sis.it (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 To: idolisto@egroups.com From: Nardini Carlo Subject: [ido] nova radiki Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Kar amiki, Jean Martignon skribas: >en Ido existas la vorti rakon= tar por inventita fakto e >naracar por parolar pri realajo, ma ne existas v= orto por >parolar pri afero pri qua onu ne savas kad ol esas vera o ne. >M= e propozis RAKONTAR (*) por la kazo en qua onu ne savas ka >la fakto esas v= era o ne, NARACAR kun la kustumala senco e >FABULAR (*) por inventita fakt= o. Me ne havas mea preciza respondo. Me nur duras la disk= uto, per du remarki. 1) Me kredas ke en ica kuntexto l'Angla "fiction" po= vus kelkmaniere utilesar. En mea propra listo di nova radiki me ja inkluza= bis, kom tote internaciona, la nomala radiko ficion.o*, tale: ficion.o*: = literaturo (od literatur-verko) de imaginado; (anke cin, tele= v). G Fiction, Romanliteratur A fiction F fiction H ficci=F3n, narrativ= a I fiction, narrativa R rasskaz (?) Me konfesas havar dubi pri la verbo= (ka adoptar verbala radiko "ficion.ar*", vice?). 2) Fabular*, pro etimolo= gio (analoga a fablo), semblas a me restriktiva. Ol igas pensar pri fakto = ne sole nevera, ma anke tote neversimila, absolute fantastika (pri bestii p= arolanta, ogri, feini, sorcisti...quale olti da Esopus, Grimm, Perrault, L= a Fontaine). Kordiale Carlo Nardini ---------------------= ---------------------------------------------------- eGroups.com home: http= ://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying grou= p communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 621 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 14221 invoked by uid 7770); 30 Jun 1999 14:20:08 -0000 Received: from qg.egroups.com (HELO qg.findmail.com) (10.1.2.27) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 30 Jun 1999 14:20:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 28035 invoked from network); 30 Jun 1999 14:20:08 -0000 Received: from spartacus.a2000.nl (HELO smtp2.a2000.nl) (62.108.1.20) by qg.egroups.com with SMTP; 30 Jun 1999 14:20:08 -0000 Received: from node118d7.a2000.nl ([24.132.24.215] helo=HansStuifbergen) by smtp2.a2000.nl with smtp (Exim 2.02 #4) id 10zLDa-0001Ny-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 16:20:07 +0200 Message-ID: <00a201bec304$b32e6400$d7188418@HansStuifbergen.a2000.nl> From: "Ido-Info" To: "idolisto" Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 16:27:33 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Subject: [ido] revui Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kar amiki, Daniel, Vu pregis informo pri Ido-revui. Lo maxim bona es skribar mikra letri a la redakterii di la revui ipsa. Yen listo de la revui: http://www.angelfire.com/id/Avance/REVUI.html ************************************************ Ido, linguo internaciona, absolute vizitez: http://members.tripod.com/~avancigado ************************************************ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 622 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 16337 invoked by uid 7770); 30 Jun 1999 14:22:22 -0000 Received: from qg.egroups.com (HELO qg.findmail.com) (10.1.2.27) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 30 Jun 1999 14:22:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 28631 invoked from network); 30 Jun 1999 14:22:21 -0000 Received: from law-f20.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (209.185.131.83) by qg.egroups.com with SMTP; 30 Jun 1999 14:22:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 9481 invoked by uid 0); 30 Jun 1999 14:19:49 -0000 Message-ID: <19990630141949.9480.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 159.15.128.3 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 07:19:48 PDT From: James Chandler To: idolisto@egroups.com Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 14:19:48 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] mesajo de sro Allegreto Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A sro Allegretto: Vua mesajo a la listo esis regretinde tro longa por esar dissendata. Me rekomendas a vu rikompozar vua pensi en plu kurta letro, prefere en Ido, a risendar li ad Idolisto. Predanko pro vua koopero. Kordiale, James Chandler idojc@hotmail.com http://yi.com/home/ChandlerJames http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Forum/5037 ______________________________________________________ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 623 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 19878 invoked by uid 7770); 30 Jun 1999 14:26:17 -0000 Received: from qh.egroups.com (HELO qh.findmail.com) (10.1.2.28) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 30 Jun 1999 14:26:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 14778 invoked from network); 30 Jun 1999 14:26:18 -0000 Received: from law-f207.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (209.185.130.117) by qh.egroups.com with SMTP; 30 Jun 1999 14:26:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 79667 invoked by uid 0); 30 Jun 1999 14:26:17 -0000 Message-ID: <19990630142617.79666.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 159.15.128.3 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 07:26:17 PDT From: James Chandler To: idolisto@egroups.com Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 14:26:17 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] developi che Geocities Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kar amiki Me lektis en altra listo, ke Geocities nun kunlaboras kun Yahoo, e ke kom rezultajo li nun probas obtenar (koakte) kreala yuri pri materii en Geocities-situi. Kelka homi nun projetas movar sua pagini ad altra serverii. Me ipsa ne savas, quon me devas facar. Kordiale, James Chandler idojc@hotmail.com http://yi.com/home/ChandlerJames http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Forum/5037 ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 624 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 22593 invoked by uid 7770); 30 Jun 1999 14:29:03 -0000 Received: from qg.egroups.com (HELO qg.findmail.com) (10.1.2.27) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 30 Jun 1999 14:29:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 30509 invoked from network); 30 Jun 1999 14:29:03 -0000 Received: from spartacus.a2000.nl (HELO smtp2.a2000.nl) (62.108.1.20) by qg.egroups.com with SMTP; 30 Jun 1999 14:29:03 -0000 Received: from node118d7.a2000.nl ([24.132.24.215] helo=HansStuifbergen) by smtp2.a2000.nl with smtp (Exim 2.02 #4) id 10zLMD-0002Jr-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 16:29:01 +0200 Message-ID: <00a601bec305$f1a7a060$d7188418@HansStuifbergen.a2000.nl> From: "Ido-Info" To: "idolisto" Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 16:36:30 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Subject: [ido] nova radiki Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kar amiki Carlo e Jean, Ka la ja delonge adoptita vorto "fingar" ne deskriptas lo serchata da vi? De 'fingar', on derivas interaltre 'fingiva' e 'fingita'. Segun Dyer mem: fiction - finguro. Ma anke existas 'fiktiva', por exemplo: cienco-fiktiva (Angl. science-fiction). Ma ficiono* es tre utila nociono. Saluti amikala, Hans Stuifbergen ************************************************ Ido, linguo internaciona, absolute vizitez: http://members.tripod.com/~avancigado ************************************************ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 625 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 13821 invoked by uid 7770); 30 Jun 1999 15:33:15 -0000 Received: from qh.egroups.com (HELO qh.findmail.com) (10.1.2.28) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 30 Jun 1999 15:33:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 32575 invoked from network); 30 Jun 1999 15:33:14 -0000 Received: from spartacus.a2000.nl (HELO smtp2.a2000.nl) (62.108.1.20) by qh.egroups.com with SMTP; 30 Jun 1999 15:33:14 -0000 Received: from node118d7.a2000.nl ([24.132.24.215] helo=HansStuifbergen) by smtp2.a2000.nl with smtp (Exim 2.02 #4) id 10zMML-0001sR-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 17:33:13 +0200 Message-ID: <066c01bec30e$e9cf7bc0$d7188418@HansStuifbergen.a2000.nl> From: "Ido-Info" To: "idolisto" Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 17:40:42 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Subject: [ido] Chao Paolo! Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kar amiko Paolo Paoletto, Yen extrakturo de mesajo da Jean Martignon quan me trovis dum la vakuigo di mea letrobuxo. Mondoparolo! Saluti amikala, Hans St. ************************************************ Ido, linguo internaciona, absolute vizitez: http://members.tripod.com/~avancigado ************************************************ -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: JEAN MARTIGNON Aan: IDOLISTO Datum: zaterdag 22 mei 1999 20:36 Onderwerp: [ido] Menade bal pu"ki bal >Kar amiki, > >Menade bal pu"ki bal esis la bela >devizo di Volapu"kal movado e >signifikas en Ido : Un homaro >un linguo. Dum la intermilita tempo >la Esperantala organizuro SAT adoptis >ica devizo e deziris la desaparo di >omna patuazi (*) (t.e. nacionala ed >etnala lingui). To ne esis tote >astonanta nam SAT esas sennaciona >organizuro qua deziras la desaparo di >omna nacioni por ke existez nur un >homaro, nedividita per rasi, nacioni e >religii. Ma me kredis ke ica volo >esis nur apartajo di SAT. Normale >interlinguo esas linguo qua vizas >esar nur helpanta linguo e ne la sola >uzata e parolata linguo en la mondo. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 626 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@eGroups.com Received: (qmail 27931 invoked by uid 7770); 30 Jun 1999 17:57:02 -0000 Received: from qh.egroups.com (HELO qh.findmail.com) (10.1.2.28) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 30 Jun 1999 17:57:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 2005 invoked from network); 30 Jun 1999 17:57:01 -0000 Received: from mu.egroups.com (207.138.41.151) by qh.egroups.com with SMTP; 30 Jun 1999 17:57:01 -0000 Received: from [10.1.2.15] by mu.egroups.com with NNFMP; 30 Jun 1999 18:57:01 -0000 Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 10:56:59 -0700 From: ThomW@webtv.net To: idolisto@eGroups.com Message-ID: <7ldlpb$c4ln@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.73 X-Mailer: www.eGroups.com Message Poster Subject: [ido] Saluti de San Jose Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Saluti kara Idolistani-Me longtempe ne skribis a Idolisto pro multe kausi. Mi ankore ne havas lernolibri o dicionarii por kontrolar mea Idala skribajo, do me pardonpetas se me uzas Espa vorti o frazformi temp-a-tempe. [me uzas * por ci vorti]Me tre juas e prizas la "Progeso" e "Ido-Saluto" sendita a me da sioro Neusser. Me ne pluse konsideras ke me esas espisto. Lia arogo* en SCE esas simple tro multe por me. Mem lore me [alighis*] a geja espa ret-rondo, on mokis me pro mea asocieskeso(association?) kun Ido. Do me nun opinionas ke "Esperanto Mortu!" Vivez Ido!Me pardonpetas pro mea desafabla sinteno, sed on kalumnias Ido e mea partopreno en olu. Me ne toleras netoleremeso!Me deziras acheti* lernolibri e dicionarii por lernar la Idala linguo plu flue. Me sendos cheko balde, me demandas ke vu sugestar libri por me.Vua Thom Wilkersonthomw@webtv.net ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 627 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 17651 invoked by uid 7770); 30 Jun 1999 20:17:50 -0000 Received: from qg.egroups.com (HELO qg.findmail.com) (10.1.2.27) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 30 Jun 1999 20:17:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 17856 invoked from network); 30 Jun 1999 20:17:50 -0000 Received: from spartacus.a2000.nl (HELO smtp2.a2000.nl) (62.108.1.20) by qg.egroups.com with SMTP; 30 Jun 1999 20:17:50 -0000 Received: from node118d7.a2000.nl ([24.132.24.215] helo=HansStuifbergen) by smtp2.a2000.nl with smtp (Exim 2.02 #4) id 10zQnh-0004Le-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 22:17:45 +0200 Message-ID: <0d1001bec336$aa22a4c0$d7188418@HansStuifbergen.a2000.nl> From: "Ido-Info" To: Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 22:25:15 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Subject: [ido] mesajo privata por Thom Wilkerson Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tre kar amiko Thom Wilkerson, Yen privata mesajo de Amsterdam por vu. Me lektis vua mesajo kun grand intereso. Precipue un mikra frazeto vua frapis me, ke "mem lore me [alighis*] a geja espa ret-rondo". Ka vu membreskis (Espo.: alighis) geyala retorondo pro ke vu ipsa es geya o ka vu es persono kun mento libera (di qui, fortunoze, existas pluse inter l' Idisti)? Lo interesas a me pro ke me ipsa ya es homeosexuala (o geya). Anke me ulafoye esis fervoroza Esperantisto (ante longa, longa tempo), qua abonis revuo geyala en l' Esperanto, ma pos (linguala) disputo, me komencis serchar altra linguo, e trovis Ido. On mokis mea opinioni pri Esperanto e mem konsilis a me serchar altra linguo, nam "on ne tushez la fundamenti di Esperanto". Do, me pensis, pro quo ne? Plu bone esar kontenta pri linguo kam adherar linguo ne sat kontentigiva. Pardonez me pro ca intruziva mesajo. Me ne es geyo celita, ma kandida pri mea 'statuso' sexuala. Koncernante vua altra questioni, me konjektas ke l' altri che idolisto informos vu, ma se ne, lore me certe komendus o komprus (Esp.: mendus au achetus) libri che l' Idolibrerio en Cardiff. Me nur regretas informar vu ke la sendo di vari povas durar tre longa tempo, cirkum 4 a 6 semani adminime, pro ke maxim basa postala tarifo es uzata. Amiko, me amikale salutas vu, Hans Stuifbergen, Amsterdam ************************************************ Ido, linguo internaciona, absolute vizitez: http://members.tripod.com/~avancigado ************************************************ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 628 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 19396 invoked by uid 7770); 30 Jun 1999 21:00:29 -0000 Received: from qg.egroups.com (HELO qg.findmail.com) (10.1.2.27) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 30 Jun 1999 21:00:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 26472 invoked from network); 30 Jun 1999 21:00:29 -0000 Received: from spartacus.a2000.nl (HELO smtp2.a2000.nl) (62.108.1.20) by qg.egroups.com with SMTP; 30 Jun 1999 21:00:29 -0000 Received: from node118d7.a2000.nl ([24.132.24.215] helo=HansStuifbergen) by smtp2.a2000.nl with smtp (Exim 2.02 #4) id 10zRSy-0001Xl-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 23:00:24 +0200 Message-ID: <0d1801bec33c$9f7128c0$d7188418@HansStuifbergen.a2000.nl> From: "Ido-Info" To: "idolisto" Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 23:07:54 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Subject: [ido] Holala, eroreto Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kar amiki, Me jus sendis mesajo privata a sioro Thom Wilkerson. Eroroze me adresizis ol ad idolisto. Me tre regretas ca afero. Nu, me havas nula sekretaji por vi, do fakte, nula domajo facesis. Saluti amikala, Hans St. ************************************************ Ido, linguo internaciona, absolute vizitez: http://members.tripod.com/~avancigado ************************************************ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 629 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 24108 invoked by uid 7770); 30 Jun 1999 21:45:08 -0000 Received: from qh.egroups.com (HELO qh.findmail.com) (10.1.2.28) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 30 Jun 1999 21:45:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 20940 invoked from network); 30 Jun 1999 21:45:08 -0000 Received: from mout00.kundenserver.de (195.20.224.69) by qh.egroups.com with SMTP; 30 Jun 1999 21:45:08 -0000 Received: from [195.20.224.67] (helo=mx00.kundenserver.de) by mout00.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 10zSAF-00031C-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 23:45:07 +0200 Received: from [212.81.174.57] (helo=www) by mx00.kundenserver.de with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 10zSA7-0004hu-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 23:44:59 +0200 Message-ID: <001a01bec341$b3145fa0$39ae51d4@fen.baynet.de> From: "Frank Kasper" To: References: <19990629210952.44876.qmail@hotmail.com> Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 23:43:24 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Subject: [ido] Re:Mesajo da James koncerne la komenti d'Alfred Neussner e la nelektebla mesajo da Eberhard Scholz Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kara amiki! Me kordialege dankas ad James por lua reago koncerne la komenti d'Alfred Neussner, quan me pose quik transsendos a sioro Neussner. Cetere me volas explikar,ke sioro Eberhard Scholz erore sendis la nelektebla mesajo ad Idolisto. Lu ankore esas komencanto dil uzado dil komputoro e konseque ankore esas exercante e studiante ca aferi. Tale lua filiulo montris a lu, quale lu povas apertar l e-postala programo`e lu inskribis la nelektebla vorto aden mesajo ad Idolisto kam recevero ed erore dissendis ol vice eskartar ol de lua programo. Lu kordialege pregas via pardono esperante, ke lu balde esos apta sendar a vi reala mesaji kun lua komenti. Kun la maxim kordiala saluti a vi omni! Frank Kasper frank.kasper@idolinguo.de ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 630 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 11645 invoked by uid 7770); 1 Jul 1999 02:15:20 -0000 Received: from qh.egroups.com (HELO qh.findmail.com) (10.1.2.28) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 1 Jul 1999 02:15:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 4910 invoked from network); 1 Jul 1999 02:15:20 -0000 Received: from mga2.primo.co.jp (210.145.40.130) by qh.egroups.com with SMTP; 1 Jul 1999 02:15:20 -0000 Received: from mga2.primo.co.jp (unverified [210.145.40.140]) by mga2.primo.co.jp (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Thu, 01 Jul 1999 11:18:58 +0900 Message-ID: From: "Bebson Y. TAKATA" To: "IDOLISTO" Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 10:51:18 +0900 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] Pliz* tolerar mea hucpo* uzar pliz*! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Kara Sri Cibernauti:#1 Generalajo #2 Linguo #3 Politiko #4 Religio ============================================================================== Kara Sro James CHANDLER, Sro Hans STUIFBERGEN, Sro Frank KASPER:#1 membreso ============================================================================== Me standas bone, to-quon�me anke esperas de vi. Me havas mikra prego a vi. Kom (Ne Kam! Sro Frank KASPER, kam es vua Germanajo) administreri di Idolisto, voluntez facar ke eGroups povez indikar sua membrolisto mem a ni, 'ordinari'. ============================================================================== Kara Sro Jean MARTIGNON:#2 Ka vu itere iracos a me, hucpozo*? (^_^;) ============================================================================== Generale me uzas la formo di "Voluntez --ar", kande me pregas irgo ad irgu. Tamen kande me tre urjas, ma volas esar suficante polita kontre mea hucpeso*, "voluntez" esas tro longa por me, e takaze plez* o pliz* esas maxim komoda. Ma ve! la formo plez* sonas same a Latinidi kam pleez en 'pleez la gitaro'. En ta punto me preferas la formo 'pliz*' da Sro Robert B. CARNAGHAN kam plez* da pasinta Sro Andreas JUSTE. Do me komencos uzar pliz*, pliz* pardonar me. Kande incendio eventus, ka onu dicus "Voluntez venar adhike" o plu kurt-rapide "Pliz* venar adhike, vu povas eskapar!"? Vo-lun-tez (pliz*) respondar me. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Adio! .....sincere via, B.Y.T. .....Idisto ed Idiotisto pro mea limitizita edukado ed anke Ido-Kavaliero kun abundanta hucpo* e numeroza erori ============================================================================== Pliz* indikar mea erori pri vorti, gramatiko, dicmaniero ec., nam me esas nura ne-edukito e devas lernar dum ke me vivas. Me sempre esperas, samideani, via amikeso por EXTRA prenar peno de via parto por instruktar me, qua durstas ye savo ulaspecala. "Do me PREGAS IDOLani donacar via amikeso, pri qua me volas QUESTIONAR vi ed anke quan me kordiale DEMANDAS de vi." Tamen en rara kazo kande me savas plu bone kam vi, me volunte transdonos mea humila savo a vi segun via bezoni. ============================================================================== ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 631 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 20565 invoked by uid 7770); 1 Jul 1999 06:28:28 -0000 Received: from qg.egroups.com (HELO qg.findmail.com) (10.1.2.27) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 1 Jul 1999 06:28:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 4285 invoked from network); 1 Jul 1999 06:28:28 -0000 Received: from gilliam.vip.uk.com (194.176.218.1) by qg.egroups.com with SMTP; 1 Jul 1999 06:28:28 -0000 Received: from default (VIP-206-18.vip.uk.com [194.176.206.18]) by gilliam.vip.uk.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id HAA08113 for ; Thu, 1 Jul 1999 07:28:25 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <000701bec389$9a5748e0$12ceb0c2@default> From: "wood" To: Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 07:10:58 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Subject: [ido] Ido Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0004_01BEC390.DECC7200" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BEC390.DECC77200 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Kar amiki, Savar pro quo la Idala *movemento es tante mikra es imense impor= tanta. Me opinionas ke la kauzo es en Ido ipsa. La bazala principi es tro r= igida. Poezio, ube libereso ja existas, montras la voyo. Amikala saluti Tom= Wood -------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.e= groups.com - Simplifying group communications ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BEC390.DECC77200 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable content-type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1"

Kar amiki,
Savar pro quo la Idala *movemento es tante mikra e= s imense importanta. Me opinionas ke la kauzo es en Ido ipsa. La bazala pr= incipi es tro rigida. Poezio, ube libereso ja existas, montras la voyo.
Amikala saluti
=
Tom Wood
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= ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BEC390.DECC77200-- From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 632 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 2008 invoked by uid 7770); 1 Jul 1999 08:51:09 -0000 Received: from qh.egroups.com (HELO qh.findmail.com) (10.1.2.28) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 1 Jul 1999 08:51:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 7101 invoked from network); 1 Jul 1999 08:51:06 -0000 Received: from ncc1.infomail.es (HELO infomail.es) (194.224.53.134) by qh.egroups.com with SMTP; 1 Jul 1999 08:51:06 -0000 Received: from 104182.rad.bbv.es ([195.53.104.182]) by infomail.es (Tid InfoMail Exchanger v2.20) with SMTP id #930819433.057380001; Thu, 1 Jul 1999 10:57:13 +0200 From: xavo@bbvnet.com To: idolisto@egroups.com Date: Thu, 01 Jul 1999 08:52:08 GMT Message-ID: <377c8c03.39526116@mail.infomail.es> References: <7ldlpb$c4ln@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <7ldlpb$c4ln@eGroups.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.01/32.397 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Infomail-Id: 930819433.166A010A811066.39954 Subject: [ido] Re: Saluti de San Jose Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Tem Wed, 30 Jun 1999 10:56:59 -0700, ThomW@webtv.net skribis: >Saluti kara= Idolistani-Me longtempe ne skribis a Idolisto pro multe kausi. Mi ankore = ne havas lernolibri o dicionarii por kontrolar mea Idala skribajo, do me pa= rdonpetas se me uzas Espa vorti o frazformi temp-a-tempe. [me uzas * por ci= vorti]Me tre juas e prizas la "Progeso" e "Ido-Saluto" sendita a me da sio= ro Neusser. Me ne pluse konsideras ke me esas espisto. Lia arogo* en SCE = esas simple tro multe por me. Mem lore me [alighis*] a geja espa ret-rondo= , on mokis me pro mea asocieskeso(association?) kun Ido. Do me nun opinion= as ke "Esperanto Mortu!" Vivez Ido!Me pardonpetas pro mea desafabla sinteno= , sed on kalumnias Ido e mea partopreno en olu. Me ne toleras netoleremeso!= Me deziras acheti* lernolibri e dicionarii por lernar la Idala linguo plu f= lue. Me sendos cheko balde, me demandas ke vu sugestar libri por me.Vua Th= om Wilkersonthomw@webtv.net Saluto, kara Thom Me tre regretas ke vu trovi= s ne-amikala konduti ed moki che la esperanta forumi, ec. Me es certa ke mu= lta espisti kondamnus la konduto di tala espistachi, samquale ni facas. Pr= i Ido, me esas simile quale vu. Me ne havas lernolibri nek dicionarii, ed p= robable mea Ido es plena de esperantaji. Ma me pensas ke olin povas on kons= iderar kom arkaikaji plu kam kom eroraji (fakte, Esperanto esas la arkaika = formo de Ido). Doe, me des-kritikas vun pri vua erori ed deziras a vu bo= na esado che la Idista movemento*. Saludos, Marcos ---------------------= ---------------------------------------------------- eGroups.com home: http= ://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying grou= p communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 633 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 17678 invoked by uid 7770); 1 Jul 1999 13:47:03 -0000 Received: from qh.egroups.com (HELO qh.findmail.com) (10.1.2.28) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 1 Jul 1999 13:47:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 25124 invoked from network); 1 Jul 1999 13:47:01 -0000 Received: from law-f39.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (209.185.131.102) by qh.egroups.com with SMTP; 1 Jul 1999 13:47:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 88682 invoked by uid 0); 1 Jul 1999 13:47:01 -0000 Message-ID: <19990701134701.88681.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 159.15.128.3 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 01 Jul 1999 06:47:00 PDT From: James Chandler To: idolisto@egroups.com Date: Thu, 01 Jul 1999 13:47:00 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] shamo Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kar amiki To quon me audas de diversa personi nun pri la konduto dil espisti es nekredebla e tote shaminda. Ultre la recenta eventi, ni omna savas tro bone pri la trakto di nia amiko sro Lavallee en Quebec, kande il audacis deklarar sua intereso pri Ido. La espisti atingos nulo per tala taktiki. Kordiale, James Chandler idojc@hotmail.com http://yi.com/home/ChandlerJames http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Forum/5037 ______________________________________________________ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 634 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 20369 invoked by uid 7770); 1 Jul 1999 17:41:36 -0000 Received: from qg.egroups.com (HELO qg.findmail.com) (10.1.2.27) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 1 Jul 1999 17:41:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 2552 invoked from network); 1 Jul 1999 17:41:37 -0000 Received: from mailsorter-105-2.iap.bryant.webtv.net (209.240.198.118) by qg.egroups.com with SMTP; 1 Jul 1999 17:41:37 -0000 Received: from postoffice-292.iap.bryant.webtv.net (postoffice-292.iap.bryant.webtv.net [209.240.198.25]) by mailsorter-105-2.iap.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.8/ms.gso.08Dec97) with ESMTP id KAA08493; Thu, 1 Jul 1999 10:41:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from production@localhost) by postoffice-292.iap.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.8/po.gso.24Feb98) id KAA07727; Thu, 1 Jul 1999 10:41:37 -0700 (PDT) From: thomw@webtv.net X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhQHsV2/lgqP+n9g9G8YUlWvDVb+JAIVAKZt+eetbumEwhTcW4bYmVogbHPG Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 10:41:37 -0700 (PDT) To: idolisto@egroups.com Message-ID: <5856-377BA851-2835@postoffice-292.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Content-Disposition: Inline X-WebTV-Stationery: Standard; Background="http://www.crafty-creations.com/BK/BK062Tile.html"; TextColor=white MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Subject: [ido] Mi tre dankas Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=WebTV-Mail-4415-1592 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --WebTV-Mail-4415-1592 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" content-transfer-encoding: 7Bit content-type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Thank you for your support in my 'trials' with the 'Edsel-istoj' at sce, Ad Hans, yes, me esas geya ed la geja klubo anke mokis me pri mea defendado pri Ido. Vi povas skribar a me persone : thomw@webtv.net Mi sendas inklusive kun mea afisho mea 'sig box' kun html -- me regretas se ne omni povas vidar ol. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications --WebTV-Mail-4415-1592-- From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 635 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 25331 invoked by uid 7770); 1 Jul 1999 17:47:38 -0000 Received: from qg.egroups.com (HELO qg.findmail.com) (10.1.2.27) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 1 Jul 1999 17:47:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 3969 invoked from network); 1 Jul 1999 17:47:37 -0000 Received: from mailsorter-105-1.iap.bryant.webtv.net (HELO mailsorter-105-1.bryant.webtv.net) (209.240.198.119) by qg.egroups.com with SMTP; 1 Jul 1999 17:47:37 -0000 Received: from postoffice-292.iap.bryant.webtv.net (postoffice-292.iap.bryant.webtv.net [209.240.198.25]) by mailsorter-105-1.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.8/ms.gso.08Dec97) with ESMTP id KAA16460; Thu, 1 Jul 1999 10:47:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from production@localhost) by postoffice-292.iap.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.8/po.gso.24Feb98) id KAA08155; Thu, 1 Jul 1999 10:47:37 -0700 (PDT) From: thomw@webtv.net X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhRDSg7ahADcRZHBPuEZaQTKagmGEAIVALTM3HIpi8M2rPzNNLaH7Zl7dxk6 Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 10:47:36 -0700 (PDT) To: idolisto@egroups.com Message-ID: <5852-377BA9B8-6394@postoffice-292.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Content-Disposition: Inline MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Subject: [ido] Vua adresi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Me havis multa adresi de idolistai en mea adresejo, ma nun li desaparis. Do, sendez a me letro kun vua adresi por ke me povas addonar via adresi en olu Thom thomw@webtv.net ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 636 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 6883 invoked by uid 7770); 1 Jul 1999 19:27:01 -0000 Received: from qg.egroups.com (HELO qg.findmail.com) (10.1.2.27) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 1 Jul 1999 19:27:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 27342 invoked from network); 1 Jul 1999 19:27:01 -0000 Received: from out1.minitel.net (HELO gmailint1.globalmail.net) (193.252.91.10) by qg.egroups.com with SMTP; 1 Jul 1999 19:27:01 -0000 Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 21:27:00 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199907011927.VAA14158@gmailint1.globalmail.net> From: martignonjean@lemel.fr (Jean Martignon) To: idolisto@egroups.com (IDOLISTO) MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] Respondo e diversaji Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Kara cibernauti, Kara s-ro Takata, Me nulatempe saveskis ke s-ro Juste rekomendabis la uzo di : plez. En mea Franca lernilo redaktita da ilu, il nur rekomendas uzar la vorti : por favoro, me pregas o plu koncize : prego. Pliz o plez nule fitas kun nia linguo, dum ke prego esas ecelanta Ido-vorto. Me ne prizas "pliz" pro ke la novici povus kredar ke ol esas la justa vorto pro nesavo di prego. Kontree vua vorto hucpozo (*) ne jenas me, nam il expresas nuanco quan la vorto temerara ne posedas. Me supozas ke ol havas preske la sama senco kam la Franca vorto "culotte", do bone, kelketa humoro ne esas refuzinda. ---------------------------------------- --------------------------------------- Pri la vorto ficiono (*) : me ne esas certa ke ni bezonas olu. Certe fabulo pensigas pri legendi, ma ulu qua inventas fakti, advere kreas legendo. Tamen, me agnoskas ke ica vorto ne esas plu valoroza kam ficiono. Do la solvo povus esar "cherpar ek nia fonto" quale dicis kelka ek nia preirinti. Pri "science fiction", me opinionas ke onu povas uzar cienco-fiktiveso. Ica vorto es komprenebla sen problemi. Inventita fakto esas fiktivajo e krear fiktivajo esas fiktivifar. Lore ni uzas vorti qui ja existas latente en nia linguo e ni esas perfekte komprenebla. Me esas gratitudoza ke Hans e s-ro Nardini montris a me la justa voyo. --------------------------------------- --------------------------------------- A s-ro Neu�ner, Tamen, s-ro Neu�ner, tamen, me esas certa ke la diskuti e disputi por evolucionigar nia linguo "koste was es wolle" tre nocis la difuzo di nia linguo e kontributis ye la plufebligo di nia movadeto. Certe pova esar ke en la pasinteso ne existis tala desafabla jemero quale me esas, ma kande onu diskutas pri subtila subtilaji, onu ne agas ed onu ne facas fruktifonta laboro. Quale dicas proverbo : Stultulo qua marchas iras sempre plu fore kam sidanta filozofo. La Espisti esas kelkafoye vera stultuli, e li fac(is)(as) mult erori, ma li agas e ne diskutas tro multe ed ito (kun altra motivi) kontributas ye la forteso di lia movado kompare a ni. Se me havos la posibleso, uladie me redaktos artiklo en "Progreso" o "Letro Internaciona" icarelate. ---------------------------------------- --------------------------------------- Movemento (*) : Dum longa tempo, me uzis ica vorto, nam me esis impresita da la nombroza homi qui uzas olu. Tamen me lektis la dicionario di la 10.000 radiki e me ne trovis ol, ma me trovis vorto oficala simila ad olu : movimento qua esas vorto pri muzikala ritmo. Por evitar konfundi me retroiris al vorto : movado. Cetere me ne komprenas pro quo onu provas adoptigar movemento, nome ica vorto esas plu longa e plu desfacile pronuncebla kam movado. Plu internaciona forsan ? Yes, ma en ica kazo kande onu volas krear plu bona vorto, onu devas egardar se ulo simila ja ne existas por precize evitar konfundi. Tro ofte pos la formaco-tempo, la Idisti volis remplasigar bone funcionanta vorti per altri qui facas problemi. Dume onu ne pensis trovar solvo por la vorti qui esis male trovita. Exemple en la Franca existas la vorto epicerie qua same signifikas kam grocery en la Angla. En "epicerie" onu vendas precipue nutrivi, ma anke kelka altra kozi. Bona traduko esus "omnovendeyo". La pioniri tradukis per : spicovendeyo. Forsan en la Mezepoko, onu disvendis nur spici o spicaji ibe, ma delonge ne plus esas tale, mem en la fora tempo di Couturat. Do, ica male konceptita vorto esas reformenda, ma nulu pensis pri to. Onu preferis kombatar la senproblema "movado". Kande onu havas tala mento-stando, onu esas exter la realeso, ed onu ne darfas plendar pri la mikreso di nia movado. Existas plu multa tala vorti ke me kredis til nun. Ma tre astonive la reformeri sempre atakis bona vorti e nulatempe le reformenda. Stranje !!! ---------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------- La moderna Greka linguon nun me probas lernar. Me tre prizas la bela skribo-maniero di ca linguo e la relativa libereso sintaxal di ca idiomo. Ol esas imitinda. La Idisti tro ofte esas enemika al Fundamento di Espo, ma la sintaxo dil westala lingui esas mem plu rigida kam la Fundamento. Di Ido la sintaxala libereson ni devus plu ofte uzar. Sen exajerar. Bela stilo-efekton ito havas ed esas plu eleganta ed imaginiva kam la elizioni di qui la tro granda uzo es leda (ecepte por poezio). Semblas ke ica voyo dal anciena Idisti ne exploresis. Amikala e ciberspacala saluti ad omni. martignonjean@lemel.fr ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 637 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 12096 invoked by uid 7770); 1 Jul 1999 19:34:16 -0000 Received: from qg.egroups.com (HELO qg.findmail.com) (10.1.2.27) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 1 Jul 1999 19:34:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 28951 invoked from network); 1 Jul 1999 19:34:16 -0000 Received: from spartacus.a2000.nl (HELO smtp2.a2000.nl) (62.108.1.20) by qg.egroups.com with SMTP; 1 Jul 1999 19:34:16 -0000 Received: from node118d7.a2000.nl ([24.132.24.215] helo=HansStuifbergen) by smtp2.a2000.nl with smtp (Exim 2.02 #4) id 10zmb8-0000ml-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Thu, 1 Jul 1999 21:34:14 +0200 Message-ID: <002701bec3f9$c0bc6e00$d7188418@HansStuifbergen.a2000.nl> From: "Ido-Info" To: "idolisto" Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 21:41:45 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Subject: [ido] partopreno en renkontro Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kar amiki, kara James, Ka me bone komprenas ke vu ne partoprenas la renkontro en Neviges, Germania? Me tre regretas to. Kun vu, me es en favoro di Akademio. Ne por chanjar reguli gramatikala, ma por l' adopto di nova vorti od regulizo di uzo de nova vorti. Pro quo? Me jus recevis Progreso 315, en qua me lektis ecelant artikli, anke de vua manuo, ma en diversa artikli sama vorti esis uzita, che l' un asteriskizita, che l' altra ne. Do, por l' un vorto semblas esar sat konocata, por altru vorto semblas ne esar konocata. Ofte koncernas vorti qui, segun mea savo, es sat internaciona por ne esar bezonata asteriskizita. Me deziras plu fixa regulizo dil uzo di nova vorti. To, por exemplo, povus esar bona tasko por Akademio. Altra taski povus esar reklamado di Ido, mantenar kontakti ad instituti utila, universitati en diversa landi, edc. Do, forsan vu povas deskriptar vua ideo pri Akademio, e lasez diskutar la posibleso/i di tal instituto. Saluti amikala, Hans St. ************************************************ Ido, linguo internaciona, absolute vizitez: http://members.tripod.com/~avancigado ************************************************ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 638 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 1963 invoked by uid 7770); 1 Jul 1999 20:03:22 -0000 Received: from qg.egroups.com (HELO qg.findmail.com) (10.1.2.27) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 1 Jul 1999 20:03:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 2754 invoked from network); 1 Jul 1999 20:03:22 -0000 Received: from farida.a2000.nl (HELO smtp1.a2000.nl) (62.108.1.19) by qg.egroups.com with SMTP; 1 Jul 1999 20:03:22 -0000 Received: from node118d7.a2000.nl ([24.132.24.215] helo=HansStuifbergen) by smtp1.a2000.nl with smtp (Exim 2.02 #4) id 10zn3G-0005LY-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Thu, 1 Jul 1999 22:03:18 +0200 Message-ID: <000e01bec3fd$d009d4c0$d7188418@HansStuifbergen.a2000.nl> From: "Ido-Info" To: "idolisto" Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 22:10:49 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Subject: [ido] plez e movemento Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kar amiki e kara Jean Martignon, Tre hazarde vu parolas pri la vorti 'plez' e 'movemento'. Ma vere Andreas Juste uzis 'plez' en sua libro "La Serchado", videz pagino 164. Anke 'movemento' es uzita da Andreas Juste, jus pro ke ol es vorto tre idala! Pro quo? A. Juste pensis tre inteligenta ke ol konsistas de du elementi Idala, la radiko mov- e la radiko ment-. Do, ube 'movado' es fizika (ulo qua restas movar, pendulo, mobilo perpetua, mashini, edc.), ibe 'move-mento' es figurala (mentala, la mento es movanta, on adheras ideologio o doktrino per la mento). Per uzar 'mento' kom sufixo, il kreis tre utila moyeno plu naturaligar vorti, yen: liberamente, normalamente, sanamente, edc. Ti omni indikas la stando od ago di la mento. Anke, ta vorti ne bezonas esar asteriskizita, nam on darfas krear nova vorti per ja existanta Ido-vorti. Por logikeso, plu bona esus: movamento. Ke kelka vorti povus intersimilesar pro sono od ortografio, ne es granda problemo. Quon vu pensas pri tushar - tusar, pezajo - peizajo, pizo - pazo - pozo - pezo, edc. Me pensas ke talakaze on devas deduktar la justa signifiko de la kuntexto. Saluti amikala, Hans St. ************************************************ Ido, linguo internaciona, absolute vizitez: http://members.tripod.com/~avancigado ************************************************ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 639 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 29476 invoked by uid 7770); 1 Jul 1999 20:37:01 -0000 Received: from qg.egroups.com (HELO qg.findmail.com) (10.1.2.27) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 1 Jul 1999 20:37:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 10083 invoked from network); 1 Jul 1999 20:37:01 -0000 Received: from spartacus.a2000.nl (HELO smtp2.a2000.nl) (62.108.1.20) by qg.egroups.com with SMTP; 1 Jul 1999 20:37:01 -0000 Received: from node118d7.a2000.nl ([24.132.24.215] helo=HansStuifbergen) by smtp2.a2000.nl with smtp (Exim 2.02 #4) id 10znZp-0000A4-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Thu, 1 Jul 1999 22:36:57 +0200 Message-ID: <001001bec402$838eb8e0$d7188418@HansStuifbergen.a2000.nl> From: "Ido-Info" To: "idolisto" Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 22:44:24 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Subject: [ido] Anke me: me tre dankas Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kar amiko Thom Wilkerson, Mealatere me tre dankas vu pro la bela retala pagino quan vu kreis. Ecelanta laboro, mea komplimenti! Saluti amikala, Hans St. ************************************************ Ido, linguo internaciona, absolute vizitez: http://members.tripod.com/~avancigado ************************************************ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 640 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 20165 invoked by uid 7770); 2 Jul 1999 01:12:02 -0000 Received: from qg.egroups.com (HELO qg.findmail.com) (10.1.2.27) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 2 Jul 1999 01:12:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 30631 invoked from network); 2 Jul 1999 01:12:02 -0000 Received: from out2.minitel.net (HELO gmailint2.globalmail.net) (193.252.91.11) by qg.egroups.com with SMTP; 2 Jul 1999 01:12:02 -0000 Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 03:12:01 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199907020112.DAA08715@gmailint2.globalmail.net> From: martignonjean@lemel.fr (Jean Martignon) To: idolisto@egroups.com (IDOLISTO) MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] Prego Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Kara cibernauti, kara Hans, Omnakaze, me esas desfavoroza a chanjo kande vorti qui ja existas funcionas bone. S-ro Juste esis poeto, e poeto povas permisar a su plu granda libereso kam la homi qui uzas la prozo. Malgre omno movemento ne plezas a me nam ol ne esas tre eufonioza. Se onu volas naturala vorto lore me preferus movimiento qua, se me ne eroras, esas Hispana vorto plu eufonioza e fitas tote bone kun Ido. Fine me opinionas ke la nura afero valoroza esas laborar por la linguo per redaktar revui e libreti. Se onu volas krear uzebleso por Ido onu devus divenigar ol kulturala linguo. La Latina e la Greka e lia literaturi qui esas la Fundamento di nia Europana kulturo ankore nun, ne plus savesas. Ido, inter altri, devus vizar per bona tradukuri konocigar oli e tale divenar surogato di la klasika lingui Kordiala ciberspacala saluti. JM ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 641 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 25188 invoked by uid 7770); 2 Jul 1999 05:20:28 -0000 Received: from qg.egroups.com (HELO qg.findmail.com) (10.1.2.27) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 2 Jul 1999 05:20:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 13016 invoked from network); 2 Jul 1999 05:20:25 -0000 Received: from mga2.primo.co.jp (210.145.40.130) by qg.egroups.com with SMTP; 2 Jul 1999 05:20:25 -0000 Received: from mga2.primo.co.jp (unverified [210.145.40.140]) by mga2.primo.co.jp (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Fri, 02 Jul 1999 14:23:53 +0900 Message-ID: From: "Bebson Y. TAKATA" To: "IDOLISTO" Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 14:09:18 +0900 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] Itere mala kozi kontre Sro LAVALLE'E? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kara Sri Cibernauti:#1 Generalajo #2 Linguo #3 Politiko #4 Religio ============================================================================== Kara Sro James CHANDLER:#1 Me deziras savar.... ============================================================================== Kad itere eventis mala kozi recente en Quebec kontre Sro Maritn LAVALLE'E? Ka ne esas posibla por vu, aranjar la programala kondiciono di eGroups por ke ni povez facile obtenar la membrolisto sur InterReto? ============================================================================== Kara Sro Jean MARTIGNON:#2 Danko pro vua respondo. Itere pri mea pliz* ============================================================================== Ho, Yes! Vu esas plu justa kam me pri pliz* e plez*. Me bone konsentas a vu. Ma quon facar kande me urjas? Me deziras irgamaniere propozar altra solvuro. En la frazo "Venez afable adhike!" la adverbo 'afable' sate montras politeso. Do onu povus teorie definar 'pliz*' kom adverbo signifikanta 'afable', ka ne? "Venez pliz* adhike!" o "Pliz* venez adhike!" lore esas uzebla gramatikale. Pliz* komprenez mea dicmaniero - culotte' -, nam vu esas grandanmoza persono. Pri 'rakontar' anke me havas desplezo quale vu. Segun la kustumal mala defino, rakontar: dicar ad ulu narcao (ulo fingita) por amuzar. Segun vua defino - rakontar: dicar la kozo en qua onu ne savas ka la fakto esas vera o ne fabular*: dicar ad ulu naraco (ulo fingita o fantastika) por amuzar E me volas tote konkordar kun vu en vua valoroza opiniono pri 'rakontar'. E me pensas ke "science fiction" mustas esar "ciencala fiktivajo", ka ne? Pluse en Japonia ube la ciencala nivelo di diversa faki semblas extreme alta a me, la vorto 'movado' (fizikala) uzesas por amba nia movado e movemento*. Forsan la Japoni ne sentas bezono expresar la difero inter du vorti. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Adio! .....sincere via, B.Y.T. .....Idisto ed Idiotisto pro mea limitizita edukado ed anke Ido-Kavaliero kun abundanta hucpo* e numeroza erori ============================================================================== Pliz* indikez mea erori pri vorti, gramatiko, dicmaniero ec., nam me esas nura ne-edukito e devas lernar dum ke me vivas. Me sempre esperas, samideani, via amikeso por EXTRA prenar peno de via parto por instruktar me, qua durstas ye savo ulaspecala. Tamen en rara kazo kande me savas plu bone kam vi, me volunte transdonos mea humila savo a vi segun via bezoni. ============================================================================== ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 642 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 11060 invoked by uid 7770); 2 Jul 1999 18:14:09 -0000 Received: from qg.egroups.com (HELO qg.findmail.com) (10.1.2.27) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 2 Jul 1999 18:14:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 17949 invoked from network); 2 Jul 1999 18:14:08 -0000 Received: from gilliam.vip.uk.com (194.176.218.1) by qg.egroups.com with SMTP; 2 Jul 1999 18:14:08 -0000 Received: from default (VIP-206-104.vip.uk.com [194.176.206.104]) by gilliam.vip.uk.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id TAA16754 for ; Fri, 2 Jul 1999 19:14:03 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <000b01bec4b5$55b67c60$68ceb0c2@default> From: "wood" To: Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 19:03:53 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Subject: [ido] Tradukuro Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0006_01BEC4BD.A0B17500" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01BEC4BD.A0B177500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Kar amiki, Tradukuro = Me kred' ke kande homo mortas Lua anmo a la= ter' returnas. 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Kar amiki,
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= ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01BEC4BD.A0B177500-- From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 643 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 13978 invoked by uid 7770); 2 Jul 1999 22:13:14 -0000 Received: from qh.egroups.com (HELO qh.findmail.com) (10.1.2.28) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 2 Jul 1999 22:13:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 10024 invoked from network); 2 Jul 1999 22:13:13 -0000 Received: from rs3s4.datacenter.cha.cantv.net (200.44.32.53) by qh.egroups.com with SMTP; 2 Jul 1999 22:13:13 -0000 Received: from cantv.net (tc4r7-023.ras.cha.cantv.net [200.44.13.86]) by rs3s4.datacenter.cha.cantv.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1/1.0) with SMTP id SAA26318 for ; Fri, 2 Jul 1999 18:13:10 -0400 (VET) Message-Id: <199907022213.SAA26318@rs3s4.datacenter.cha.cantv.net> From: "Daniel Alegrett" Organization: Date: Sat, 03 Jul 1999 17:46:16 -0400 X-Mailer: Arachne V1.48;beta To: idolisto@egroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] Saluti! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kar idisti: Mea matro ja retrodonis a me mea idala paperi -quin me trovis en via ret loki- por lerni la linguo baze. Yen saluti a mea nova familio! Me expektas ke Hans o Frank donis mea texto en la angla ed en la hispana lingui a qui povez helpar me. Itan informon me bezonas. Me ya dankos ol a vi dum la eterneso. Amikala e dankala saluti, Via, Daniel Alegrett (= Daniel Gayido, ido di gayuli e di gayini) Caracas. -- Arachne V1.48;beta, NON-COMMERCIAL copy, http://home.arachne.cz/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 644 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 31422 invoked by uid 7770); 3 Jul 1999 11:18:06 -0000 Received: from qh.egroups.com (HELO qh.findmail.com) (10.1.2.28) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 3 Jul 1999 11:18:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 23812 invoked from network); 3 Jul 1999 11:18:06 -0000 Received: from new.sis.it (HELO dipobox.sis.it) (193.70.16.253) by qh.egroups.com with SMTP; 3 Jul 1999 11:18:06 -0000 Received: from lizard [193.70.17.17] with smtp by dipobox.sis.it with smtp (Smail-3.2.0.103 1998-Oct-9 #4 #4) id m110Nm1-000R4UC; Sat, 3 Jul 1999 13:15:57 +0200 (MEST) Message-Id: Date: Sat, 3 Jul 1999 13:15:57 +0200 (MEST) X-Sender: narcar@mailserver.sis.it (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 To: idolisto@egroups.com From: Carlo Nardini Subject: [ido] radikifar Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kar amiki, kar Jean Martignon, me multe prizas vua solvo (pri RAKONTAR, NARACAR e.c.): >Inventita fakto esas fiktivajo e >krear fiktivajo esas fiktivifar >pri "science fiction", me opinionas ke onu povas uzar cienco-fiktiveso. Vere Ido havas tre granda resursi* (1), ofte ne komplete explotata. Tamen me ankore ne efacos ficion.o* de mea listo di nova radiki, ma mantenos ol ibe provizore. Esp. havas samsence "fikcio". Fiktiv.a, de qua radiko derivesas omna supera vorti, havas aplikebleso multe plu ampla kam ficion.o*. Se me komprenas bone la senco dil vorto, miriado di kozi povas esar fiktiv.a (fiktivaji), por exemplo: l'atestado la majoreso la sepulto la kombato l'armistico la dokumento la kontrato l'evaluado la jenerozeso la repento la regreto la nomo la fakturo la societo la firmo l'amo l'adhero l'aventuro... ...yes, anke la literaturo. Ficion.o* , segun mea defino, singularigas internacione ek omna ca fiktivaji la imaginad-literaturo (anke cin., telev.). Pri "science-fiction", segun me la maxim tot-mundo-facila traduko esas "cienco-ficiono"*. --- Pri "plez", segun A. Juste, kom probable altri savas, ol esas abreviuro di "plezez a vu", doe idalisima. Konseque: "plez", tre yes; "pliz", no. --- (1) Resurs.o* (anke fig.). I. To quo povas helpar kaze di neceseso od embaraso: homo di multa o poka resursi; la resursi di kurajo, di inteligenteso; restis a li kom lasta resurso, la fugo. II. Richaji disponebla: naturala resursi; pekuniala resursi; la resursi dil Stato. Resurso havas senco diferanta de moyeno (to, per quo on facas ulo): interaltre, plu ampla figurale, plu restrikta instrumentale. G Ressource A resource F ressource H recurso I risorsa R resursi. [de mea listo di nova radiki] --- Kordiale Carlo Nardini ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 645 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 1180 invoked by uid 7770); 3 Jul 1999 12:47:53 -0000 Received: from qg.egroups.com (HELO qg.findmail.com) (10.1.2.27) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 3 Jul 1999 12:47:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 5257 invoked from network); 3 Jul 1999 12:47:53 -0000 Received: from spartacus.a2000.nl (HELO smtp2.a2000.nl) (62.108.1.20) by qg.egroups.com with SMTP; 3 Jul 1999 12:47:53 -0000 Received: from node118d7.a2000.nl ([24.132.24.215] helo=HansStuifbergen) by smtp2.a2000.nl with smtp (Exim 2.02 #4) id 110PCt-0001YG-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Sat, 3 Jul 1999 14:47:47 +0200 Message-ID: <001901bec553$4fd26ae0$d7188418@HansStuifbergen.a2000.nl> From: "Ido-Info" To: "idolisto" Date: Sat, 3 Jul 1999 14:55:22 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Subject: [ido] resursi* e gayeso Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kar amiko Carlo Nardini, Me dankas vu pro vua grandioza e tre utila laboro. Erste, kande sro. James Chandler uzis la vorto 'resurso', me timis ke esis vorto nur trovebla en l' Angla, ma segun vua GAFHIR-listo, adminime en 5 lingui di ta listo. Nun me ya es konvinkita pri l' uzebleso di la vorto. Ma kad ol anke existas en la Germana, me apene povas kredar, me kredas ke en la Germana ol es Anglajo aceptita. Me povas mencionar ke me ja uzis 'ficiono' en artikli e dokumenti skribita/tradukita da me, me opinionas ol vorto tre apta ed utila. Kar amiko Daniel Alegrett, La signifiko di vua familionomo es tre amuzanta. Hike en Nederlando kansono esis populara, qua titulizesis: alegria, me supozas ke signifikas: gayeso, ka ne? Yen la signifiko di mea familionomo, Stuifbergen, literale tradukesas: Polvomonti. Me (e mea familio) venas de la litoro, ube multa duni (monteti e kolineti) de sablo protektas la lando kontre la maro. Pro la multa vento, la duni de sablo es diplasata, do oli es blovata quale se polvo. Cetere, ca semanofino pleas muzikisti de Venezuela en Amsterdam, forsan ke vu konocas la nomo, koncernas la bando Desorden Publico. Segun l' informo jurnalala koncernas bando di rok-muziko, 'metal' kun 'regea' influi. Saluti amikala, Hans St. ************************************************ Ido, linguo internaciona, absolute vizitez: http://members.tripod.com/~avancigado ************************************************ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 646 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 21521 invoked by uid 7770); 3 Jul 1999 13:34:50 -0000 Received: from qh.egroups.com (HELO qh.findmail.com) (10.1.2.28) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 3 Jul 1999 13:34:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 6203 invoked from network); 3 Jul 1999 13:34:50 -0000 Received: from mout00.kundenserver.de (195.20.224.69) by qh.egroups.com with SMTP; 3 Jul 1999 13:34:50 -0000 Received: from [195.20.224.67] (helo=mx00.kundenserver.de) by mout00.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 110PwP-0000xz-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Sat, 3 Jul 1999 15:34:49 +0200 Received: from [212.81.171.15] (helo=www) by mx00.kundenserver.de with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 110PwJ-0007WE-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Sat, 3 Jul 1999 15:34:44 +0200 Message-ID: <000a01bec558$b4533b20$0fab51d4@fen.baynet.de> From: "Frank Kasper" To: "Idolisto (Mesaji)" Date: Sat, 3 Jul 1999 15:33:05 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Subject: [ido] Re: Questiono da Alfred Neussner a nia Japona amiki/ Komento ad Jean Martignon Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0005_01BEC569.583BBAE0" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01BEC569.583BBBAE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" content-transfer-encoding: 7bit content-type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Kara amiki Bebson Y. Takata ed Akira Morita! Ante kelka dii sioro Alfred Neussner pregis me questionar vi, quanta yaro nun esas en Japonia. Lu bezonas ta informo por datizar Japona stampuri, quan lu posedas. Lu e me ya predankas a vi por via helpo! ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------------------- Pri s-do Martignon: Lu es justa, ke existas multa nocioni, qui mankas en Ido e pri qui on apene diskutas. Ni povabus bone vivar sen "movemento", ma "movimento" ne esus kauzo por refuzar ol. Existas multa tre simila vorti en Ido e kun la linguala developo oli ankore plumulteskos, nam kun la bezono di nova vorti diminutas l'elektebleso, nam ni ya volas evitar bisenca vorti. "epicerie". Vortpropozanti kustumale pensas en la kadro di sua matrolinguo ed ofte ne povas imaginar, ke en altra lingui on altre pensas. Bona exemplo esas la Germana "Kolonialwarengeschaeft" (vendeyo di vari ek la kolonii). Ica nomo desaparis en Germania erste lente 20 yari pos ke Germania ne plus havabis kolonii. Inter la militi to esis tote ordinara nutriv-butiki. Kordiala saluti Alfred Neussner alfred.neussner@idolinguo.de ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------- Fine me ankore volas memorigar vi, ke me ante mea departo a Portugal sendis inquesti ad Idolisto, qui regretinde omni restis sen respondo e mem sen reago til nun. Tale sioro Neussner volunte saveskus, ka ulu savas apta voyo kambiar libri inter la Britana e la Germana Ido-libreyi impedante l'alta afranko-kusti facante lo per la postala servi. Me nun deziras a vi omni agreabla semanofino! Kordiala saluti a vi omni sendas Frank Kasper frank.kasper@idolinguo.de ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01BEC569.583BBBAE0-- From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 647 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 31636 invoked by uid 7770); 3 Jul 1999 15:09:27 -0000 Received: from qh.egroups.com (HELO qh.findmail.com) (10.1.2.28) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 3 Jul 1999 15:09:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 18454 invoked from network); 3 Jul 1999 15:09:27 -0000 Received: from rs5s2.datacenter.cha.cantv.net (200.44.32.55) by qh.egroups.com with SMTP; 3 Jul 1999 15:09:27 -0000 Received: from cantv.net (tc1r10-034.ras.cha.cantv.net [200.44.10.34]) by rs5s2.datacenter.cha.cantv.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1/1.0) with SMTP id LAA12825 for ; Sat, 3 Jul 1999 11:09:24 -0400 (VET) Message-Id: <199907031509.LAA12825@rs5s2.datacenter.cha.cantv.net> From: "Daniel Alegrett" Organization: Date: Sun, 04 Jul 1999 11:19:11 -0400 X-Mailer: Arachne V1.48;beta To: idolisto@egroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] Re: Gayeso Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kara Hans: Vua nomo "gayigas" me. Ita sorto di nomi esis moknomi. Tamen, nia prepatri uzis li kun honoro. (Noto: Alegrett ne esas en la "hispana" linguo, ma en la (?)katalana linguo. Tamen ol havas du "t", quankam en la originala linguo lu havas nur un "t"). Me tote ne prizas "Desorden P�blico", tamen me mustas "defensar" ol. Ol ne esas 'metal' bando, ma 'ska' bando. O to esas plu mala? :-) En Nederlando lojas venezuelana terora 'metal' bando, nomata "Resistencia". Kande ol lojis en Venezuela, ol esis cirkatra! La (?)tamburistulo mankis pedo, la (?)basgitaristino esis olda avino! - Rok-muziko... pro quo mi amas ol? - Nam mea amata Penderecki ed Stockhausen esas plu fortsonora! :)) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 648 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 19024 invoked by uid 7770); 3 Jul 1999 19:48:30 -0000 Received: from qg.egroups.com (HELO qg.findmail.com) (10.1.2.27) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 3 Jul 1999 19:48:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 32509 invoked from network); 3 Jul 1999 19:48:30 -0000 Received: from new.sis.it (HELO dipobox.sis.it) (193.70.16.253) by qg.egroups.com with SMTP; 3 Jul 1999 19:48:30 -0000 Received: from lizard [193.70.17.24] with smtp by dipobox.sis.it with smtp (Smail-3.2.0.103 1998-Oct-9 #4 #4) id m110Vk1-000R4OC; Sat, 3 Jul 1999 21:46:25 +0200 (MEST) Message-Id: Date: Sat, 3 Jul 1999 21:46:25 +0200 (MEST) X-Sender: narcar@mailserver.sis.it X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 To: idolisto@egroups.com From: Carlo Nardini Subject: [ido] tradukemeso Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Kar amiki, Kar Hans Stuifbergen (Polvomonti), Fine, me savas haz= arde la signifiko di vua nomo. Me ja serchis ol uldie. To e= ventis kande la Papo beatifikis Padre Pio (Patro Pio). Vu skribis p= ri to, tradukante "Padre Pio" a "Pia Patro": >Me gratulas l' Italiani pro = la santigo di Pia Patro... >me supozas ke anke exter Italia la Pia Patro es= famoza... Me esis tre enoyita da to, quon me judikis vua (idala) manio = tradukar omno. Nam "Pio" es propra nomo (exemple, dek-e-du Papi nomizesis = "Pio"), kom Hans, Andreas, Louis... e segun me ne darfas tradukesar, irgeq= ua esas lua etimologiala signifiko. Admaxime ol povas latinigesar a "Pius"= . Se me trovabus la traduko di vua nomo, me skribabus a vu proxime tale: = - Kara Sioro Polvomonti, tam longe kam vvu dicos "Pia Patro" vice "Patro Pi= o" (me apene koncesas tradukar Padre a Patro), me nomos vu Polvomonti... = Hovee, me atingis nur "monto" e renuncis skribar pri to. Omnakaze vi Idis= ti esas kelkafoye tro tradukema, segun me (p.e. Internet --> interreto). -= -- Pri risorsi* vu skribas: >Ma kad ol anke existas en la Germana, me apen= e povas kredar, >me kredas ke en la Germana ol es Anglajo aceptita. Qua = difero esas? Kande un vorto esas en la vortaro (e Ressource esas en du me= a Germana-Italiana-Germana vortari, 1966 e 1996 respektive) ne importas a = me de ube ol venas: se ol esas enregistrigita, to signifikas ke ol esas ko= nocita e uzita, e to suficas a me. Pasante, Ressource esas anke en la "Gr= osses W=F6rterbuch DEUTSCH-IDO" (da Kurt Feder, 1919), kun la sequanta tra= duko: helpilo, moyeno. Kordiale Carlo Nardini ------= ------------------------------------------------------------------- eGroups= .com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - S= implifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 649 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 9570 invoked by uid 7770); 3 Jul 1999 20:39:04 -0000 Received: from qg.egroups.com (HELO qg.findmail.com) (10.1.2.27) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 3 Jul 1999 20:39:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 6079 invoked from network); 3 Jul 1999 20:39:03 -0000 Received: from out2.minitel.net (HELO gmailint2.globalmail.net) (193.252.91.11) by qg.egroups.com with SMTP; 3 Jul 1999 20:39:03 -0000 Date: Sat, 3 Jul 1999 22:39:02 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199907032039.WAA04771@gmailint2.globalmail.net> From: martignonjean@lemel.fr (Jean Martignon) To: idolisto@egroups.com (IDOLISTO) MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] Ka nur D.E.F.I.R.S. ? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Kara cibernauti, Singla Idisto savas ke la vortaro di nia linguo bazesas sur la D.E.F.I.R.S. lingui. Tamen existas adminime du altra tre grava lingui por Ido, nome la Latina e la Greka. Ica lingui esas tre grava pro ke li reprezentas kulturi qui esas ye la fonto di nia Europana e westala kulturo. Savesas ke multa vorti qui trovesas en nia linguo devenas de la Latina mediace la Europana kulturlingui. Onu savas min multe ke ico validas anke por la Greka linguo, nam multa savanta vorti de la Latina (e mem kelka altri) devenas de la Greka. La Romani qui esis rustika rurani, lor lia splendideso e mondala povo adoptis la Greka civilizo e pro to onu parolas pri Greko-Romana civilizuro di qua ni esas la heredanto e mem nun la tota mondo. La Greka esis tante importanta ke ye la Renesanco, multa Europana lingui adoptis ciencala vorti Greka. Diferante de la Latina, la Greka esas sempre vivanta linguo. Olu certe evolucionis, ma konservas multa radiki dil klasika linguo di lua brilanta pasinteso. Certe pro la nombro (cirkume 10 milioni de parolanti), la Greka ne povas esar grava idiomo, ma existas anke la kulturala pezo quan nia preirinti nesagace obliviis. Ita kulturala pezo esas tante forta ke ankore nun onu pruntas vorti ciencala a la Greka anciena e mem moderna tale sofrologio, hipnoto edc. De la moderna existas adminime vorto bone konocata dil mediki. Omni savas ke nun multa homi mortas en la hospitali, ne pro lia maladeso, ma pro infekteso de virusi qui troveblesas en hospitali. Onu nomas ica infektesi nosokomiala (*) infektesi segun la vorto nosokomio qua signifikas hospitalo en la Greka. Pro ke ica vorto existas probable en omna defirs lingui nun, me supozas ke ni devus aceptar ol, ma lore la problemo esas : ka ni devas aceptar la vorto nosokomio (*) kom sinonimo ed alterniva vorto di hospitalo ? Nosokomio quik de la komenco havas dezinenco qua fitas tote bone kun nia linguo. Me desaprobas la remplaso de ja existanta vorti, ma me esas favoroza a sinonimi ed alternativa vorti qui povas esar tre utila. Cetere la Greka (moderna) solvis vortala problemi exemplatre. Exemple en Ido (ed anke en Espo) ni havas la vorto radio qua povas signifikar : sun-radio o radio-aparato. Certe la kuntexto posibligas facile savar pri quo parolesas. En la Greka por la aparato existas la vorto : radiofono. Pro ke en Ido ja existas magnetofono (anke en Espo), ni povus tote bone adoptar la vorto radiofono (*) tale ne existus mem la maxim mikra ambigueso. Do, la Greka meritas sidilo en la kunsido di la grava Europana lingui por la formaco di nia linguo. Olua kulturala pezo esas tre forta e permanas ankore cadie, tote egale la importanteso di Grekia ipsa. La Latina e la Greka (anciena e moderna) esas la Europana lingui eminente. Kun kordiala ciberspacala saluti. martignonjean@lemel.fr ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 650 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com X-Duplicate: Duplicate(2)--47437788 Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 12563 invoked by uid 7770); 4 Jul 1999 06:10:23 -0000 Received: from qg.egroups.com (HELO qg.findmail.com) (10.1.2.27) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 4 Jul 1999 06:10:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 2693 invoked from network); 4 Jul 1999 06:10:23 -0000 Received: from out1.minitel.net (HELO gmailint1.globalmail.net) (193.252.91.10) by qg.egroups.com with SMTP; 4 Jul 1999 06:10:23 -0000 Date: Sun, 4 Jul 1999 08:10:23 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199907040610.IAA16265@gmailint1.globalmail.net> From: martignonjean@lemel.fr (Jean Martignon) To: idolisto@egroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] Ka nur D.E.F.I.R.S. ? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Kara cibernauti, Singla Idisto savas ke la vortaro di nia linguo bazesas sur la D.E.F.I.R.S. lingui. Tamen existas adminime du altra tre grava lingui por Ido, nome la Latina e la Greka. Ica lingui esas tre grava pro ke li reprezentas kulturi qui esas ye la fonto di nia Europana e westala kulturo. Savesas ke multa vorti qui trovesas en nia linguo devenas de la Latina mediace la Europana kulturlingui. Onu savas min multe ke ico validas anke por la Greka linguo, nam multa savanta vorti de la Latina (e mem kelka altri) devenas de la Greka. La Romani qui esis rustika rurani, lor lia splendideso e mondala povo adoptis la Greka civilizo e pro to onu parolas pri Greko-Romana civilizuro di qua ni esas la heredanto e mem nun la tota mondo. La Greka esis tante importanta ke ye la Renesanco, multa Europana lingui adoptis ciencala vorti Greka. Diferante de la Latina, la Greka esas sempre vivanta linguo. Olu certe evolucionis, ma konservas multa radiki dil klasika linguo di lua brilanta pasinteso. Certe pro la nombro (cirkume 10 milioni de parolanti), la Greka ne povas esar grava idiomo, ma existas anke la kulturala pezo quan nia preirinti nesagace obliviis. Ita kulturala pezo esas tante forta ke ankore nun onu pruntas vorti ciencala a la Greka anciena e mem moderna tale sofrologio, hipnoto edc. De la moderna existas adminime vorto bone konocata dil mediki. Omni savas ke nun multa homi mortas en la hospitali, ne pro lia maladeso, ma pro infekteso de virusi qui troveblesas en hospitali. Onu nomas ica infektesi nosokomiala (*) infektesi segun la vorto nosokomio qua signifikas hospitalo en la Greka. Pro ke ica vorto existas probable en omna defirs lingui nun, me supozas ke ni devus aceptar ol, ma lore la problemo esas : ka ni devas aceptar la vorto nosokomio (*) kom sinonimo ed alterniva vorto di hospitalo ? Nosokomio quik de la komenco havas dezinenco qua fitas tote bone kun nia linguo. Me desaprobas la remplaso de ja existanta vorti, ma me esas favoroza a sinonimi ed alternativa vorti qui povas esar tre utila. Cetere la Greka (moderna) solvis vortala problemi exemplatre. Exemple en Ido (ed anke en Espo) ni havas la vorto radio qua povas signifikar : sun-radio o radio-aparato. Certe la kuntexto posibligas facile savar pri quo parolesas. En la Greka por la aparato existas la vorto : radiofono. Pro ke en Ido ja existas magnetofono (anke en Espo), ni povus tote bone adoptar la vorto radiofono (*) tale ne existus mem la maxim mikra ambigueso. Do, la Greka meritas sidilo en la kunsido di la grava Europana lingui por la formaco di nia linguo. Olua kulturala pezo esas tre forta e permanas ankore cadie, tote egale la importanteso di Grekia ipsa. La Latina e la Greka (anciena e moderna) esas la Europana lingui eminente. Kun kordiala ciberspacala saluti. martignonjean@lemel.fr ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 651 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 11656 invoked by uid 7770); 4 Jul 1999 18:58:04 -0000 Received: from qh.egroups.com (HELO qh.findmail.com) (10.1.2.28) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 4 Jul 1999 18:58:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 10508 invoked from network); 4 Jul 1999 18:58:04 -0000 Received: from web705.mail.yahoo.com (128.11.23.25) by qh.egroups.com with SMTP; 4 Jul 1999 18:58:04 -0000 Message-ID: <19990704185706.19609.rocketmail@web705.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [203.80.74.23] by web705.mail.yahoo.com; Sun, 04 Jul 1999 11:57:06 PDT Date: Sun, 4 Jul 1999 11:57:06 -0700 (PDT) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?don=20gasper?= To: idolisto@egroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] Re: Diversa komenti da Alfred Neussner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Kara cibernauti, La chiniana linguo posedas propra alfabeto. En ol la litero "j" ne pronuncesas quale "y" ma quale "dj." Do la Ido formo dil nomo dil chefurbo chiniana devas esar "Beijing" e ne "Beiying" (forsan imprimeroro). Pri la cetera punti me konsentas kun sioro Neussner. Kordiale, Don Gasper --- Frank Kasper wrote: > Kara amiki! > > Pos kelka tempo sioro Alfred Neussner itere sendis a > me kelka komenti > koncerne recenta mesaji che Idolisto por transsendo > a vi: > > Kara amiki! > > Komuniko ad omna nova Idisti, qui venas de > Esperanto; > En Ido on kustumale ne adaptas urbala nomi al > Ido-ortografio. Kondicione, > ke en ca lando uzesas la Latina alfabeto, on skribas > sempre la nomi same > kam en la landala linguo, do: Caracas I > Nomi di landi kun altra alfabeto skribesez segun > l'ldo-ortografio: > Yelcin, Krushchov, Beiying. > > Por Daniel: > > La sendajo nur kontenis ca du revui. La mencionita > marki ne esas postala > marki, ma privata Ido-marki. > > Por Jean Martignon: > > Me ne opinionas. ke la disputo linguala inter > l'ldisti esas la kauzo por la > ne-progreso di Ido. Se, lore nur tre poke. La maxim > granda, segun mea > opiniono, esas la quanto dil Idisti. La homi prizas > kunagar ye la plu > granda grupo. L'atraktiveso di Esperanto ne venas de > olua qualeso, ma de > olua difuzeso. Multa grupi, renkontri, libri, revui, > - ka la linguo vere > es la maxim bona, to es min importanta. Kande Ido > havos certena quanto di > adheranti, lore automate venos la novadheranti, - > kondicione ke on anke > habile uzas ca avantajo. > > (Esas same kam pri la pekunio, on dicas: Aquirar > l'unesma miliono esas lo > maxim desfacila) > > Lo simila eventas en la politiko: On votas por la > plu granda partisi, mem > se on esas konvinkata, ke li facas nulo efikiva por > la populo. > > Me opinionas, ke nula Internaciona helplinguo dum la > lasta 50 yari propozis > sua linguo kom unika linguo por la tota mondo > subisante omna nacionala > lingui. > > Kordiala saluti! > > Alfred Neussner > alfred.neussner@idolinguo.de > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > SIGN UP NOW FOR FREE HOME IMPROVEMENT HOW-TO'S > Receive seasonal how-to's and climate-specific > advice via e-mail. > http://clickhere.egroups.com/click/131 > > > eGroups.com home: > http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto > http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group > communications > > > > > BEGIN:VCARD > VERSION:2.1 > N:Kasper;Frank > FN:Frank Kasper > EMAIL;PREF;INTERNET:frank.kasper@01019freenet.de > REV:19990629T155524Z > END:VCARD > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 652 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 30370 invoked by uid 7770); 4 Jul 1999 21:59:57 -0000 Received: from qg.egroups.com (HELO qg.findmail.com) (10.1.2.27) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 4 Jul 1999 21:59:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 28828 invoked from network); 4 Jul 1999 21:59:57 -0000 Received: from rs1s2.datacenter.cha.cantv.net (200.44.32.51) by qg.egroups.com with SMTP; 4 Jul 1999 21:59:57 -0000 Received: from cantv.net (tc5r7-032.ras.cha.cantv.net [200.44.13.159]) by rs1s2.datacenter.cha.cantv.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1/1.0) with SMTP id RAA02752 for ; Sun, 4 Jul 1999 17:59:51 -0400 (VET) Message-Id: <199907042159.RAA02752@rs1s2.datacenter.cha.cantv.net> From: "Daniel Alegrett" Organization: Date: Mon, 05 Jul 1999 18:02:50 -0400 X-Mailer: Arachne V1.48;beta To: idolisto@egroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] Re: Ka nur D.E.F.I.R.S. ? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Me konsentas kun Sinioro Martignon. La greka e la latina lingui meritas to. Ma me dezirus irar plu fore. "Ica lingui esas tre grava pro ke li reprezentas kulturi qui esas ye la fonto di nia Europana e westala kulturo.", diris Sinioro Martignon. Se ni volas ke Ido esez internaciona linguo por qui parolas europana od westala lingui, D. E. F. I. R. S., latina e greka lingui esas bona. Tamen, se ni volas ke Ido esez internaciona linguo por la tota homaro, Idisti mustas aceptar altra lingui qui havez forta, granda klasika literaturo. Mi pensas en la japona, en la (?)mandarena e la (?)kantonesa china dialekti, ed en la sanskrita. La japona e la (?)kantonesa lingui esas tre grava en nia aktuala mondo. Por esar la internaciona linguo de la tota homaro, ol ne povas esar nur europana ed westala. To me dicis a la esperantisti, e nun me esas (?)exilata de "Esperantujo". Me esas "(?)heretika". Li volas ke malayani o amerikana indiani aceptez Esperanto, qua ne esas neutrala, do. Me dicis ad esperantisti: "To esas (?)eurocentrismo, (?)etnocentrismo, e (?)rasismo!" Quo pensas la Idisti pri me? On Sun, 4 Jul 1999 08:10:23 +0200 (MET DST), martignonjean@lemel.fr (Jean Martignon) wrote: > Kara cibernauti, > Singla Idisto savas ke la vortaro di > nia linguo bazesas sur la D.E.F.I.R.S. > lingui. Tamen existas adminime du altra > tre grava lingui por Ido, nome la > Latina e la Greka. Ica lingui esas > tre grava pro ke li reprezentas kulturi > qui esas ye la fonto di nia Europana > e westala kulturo. Savesas ke multa > vorti qui trovesas en nia linguo > devenas de la Latina mediace la > Europana kulturlingui. Onu savas > min multe ke ico validas anke por la > Greka linguo, nam multa savanta vorti > de la Latina (e mem kelka altri) > devenas de la Greka. La Romani qui > esis rustika rurani, lor lia > splendideso e mondala povo adoptis la > Greka civilizo e pro to onu parolas > pri Greko-Romana civilizuro di qua > ni esas la heredanto e mem nun la > tota mondo. > La Greka esis tante importanta ke ye > la Renesanco, multa Europana lingui > adoptis ciencala vorti Greka. > Diferante de la Latina, la Greka esas > sempre vivanta linguo. Olu certe > evolucionis, ma konservas multa > radiki dil klasika linguo di lua > brilanta pasinteso. Certe pro la > nombro (cirkume 10 milioni de > parolanti), la Greka ne povas esar > grava idiomo, ma existas anke la > kulturala pezo quan nia preirinti > nesagace obliviis. Ita kulturala > pezo esas tante forta ke ankore nun > onu pruntas vorti ciencala a la > Greka anciena e mem moderna tale > sofrologio, hipnoto edc. De la moderna > existas adminime vorto bone konocata > dil mediki. Omni savas ke nun multa > homi mortas en la hospitali, ne pro > lia maladeso, ma pro infekteso de > virusi qui troveblesas en hospitali. > Onu nomas ica infektesi nosokomiala (*) > infektesi segun la vorto nosokomio > qua signifikas hospitalo en la Greka. > Pro ke ica vorto existas probable en > omna defirs lingui nun, me supozas ke > ni devus aceptar ol, ma lore la > problemo esas : ka ni devas aceptar > la vorto nosokomio (*) kom sinonimo > ed alterniva vorto di hospitalo ? > Nosokomio quik de la komenco havas > dezinenco qua fitas tote bone kun > nia linguo. Me desaprobas la remplaso > de ja existanta vorti, ma me esas > favoroza a sinonimi ed alternativa > vorti qui povas esar tre utila. > Cetere la Greka (moderna) solvis > vortala problemi exemplatre. Exemple > en Ido (ed anke en Espo) ni havas > la vorto radio qua povas signifikar : > sun-radio o radio-aparato. Certe la > kuntexto posibligas facile savar pri > quo parolesas. En la Greka por la > aparato existas la vorto : radiofono. > Pro ke en Ido ja existas magnetofono > (anke en Espo), ni povus tote bone > adoptar la vorto radiofono (*) tale > ne existus mem la maxim mikra > ambigueso. > Do, la Greka meritas sidilo en la > kunsido di la grava Europana lingui > por la formaco di nia linguo. Olua > kulturala pezo esas tre forta e > permanas ankore cadie, tote egale la > importanteso di Grekia ipsa. > La Latina e la Greka (anciena e > moderna) esas la Europana lingui > eminente. > Kun kordiala ciberspacala saluti. > martignonjean@lemel.fr > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Just Tell Us What You Want... > Respond.com - Shopping the World for You! > http://clickhere.egroups.com/click/390 > eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto > http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications -- Arachne V1.48;beta, NON-COMMERCIAL copy, http://home.arachne.cz/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 653 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 22455 invoked by uid 7770); 4 Jul 1999 23:01:11 -0000 Received: from qh.egroups.com (HELO qh.findmail.com) (10.1.2.28) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 4 Jul 1999 23:01:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 7975 invoked from network); 4 Jul 1999 23:01:11 -0000 Received: from rs4s1.datacenter.cha.cantv.net (200.44.32.54) by qh.egroups.com with SMTP; 4 Jul 1999 23:01:11 -0000 Received: from cantv.net (tc2r9-154.ras.cha.cantv.net [200.44.8.154]) by rs4s1.datacenter.cha.cantv.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1/1.0) with SMTP id TAA20495 for ; Sun, 4 Jul 1999 19:01:04 -0400 (VET) Message-Id: <199907042301.TAA20495@rs4s1.datacenter.cha.cantv.net> From: "Daniel Alegrett" Organization: Date: Mon, 05 Jul 1999 19:11:48 -0400 X-Mailer: Arachne V1.48;beta To: idolisto@egroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] Re: Ka nur D.E.F.I.R.S. ? (2) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Me (?)forgesis plu internaciona e forsan plu importantega linguo, qua ne esas europana: La Araba Linguo. Me questionas: Pro quo li ne meritas nia atenco? On Mon, 05 Jul 1999 18:02:50 -0400, Daniel Alegrett wrote: > Me konsentas kun Sinioro Martignon. La greka e la latina lingui meritas > to. Ma me dezirus irar plu fore. > "Ica lingui esas tre grava pro ke li reprezentas kulturi qui esas ye la > fonto di nia Europana e westala kulturo.", diris Sinioro Martignon. > Se ni volas ke Ido esez internaciona linguo por qui parolas europana > od westala lingui, D. E. F. I. R. S., latina e greka lingui esas bona. > Tamen, se ni volas ke Ido esez internaciona linguo por la tota homaro, > Idisti mustas aceptar altra lingui qui havez forta, granda klasika > literaturo. Mi pensas en la japona, en la (?)mandarena e la (?)kantonesa > china dialekti, ed en la sanskrita. La japona e la (?)kantonesa lingui > esas tre grava en nia aktuala mondo. > Por esar la internaciona linguo de la tota homaro, ol ne povas esar nur > europana ed westala. > To me dicis a la esperantisti, e nun me esas (?)exilata de > "Esperantujo". Me esas "(?)heretika". Li volas ke malayani o amerikana > indiani aceptez Esperanto, qua ne esas neutrala, do. Me dicis ad > esperantisti: "To esas (?)eurocentrismo, (?)etnocentrismo, e (?)rasismo!" > Quo pensas la Idisti pri me? > On Sun, 4 Jul 1999 08:10:23 +0200 (MET DST), martignonjean@lemel.fr (Jean > Martignon) wrote: >> Kara cibernauti, >> Singla Idisto savas ke la vortaro di >> nia linguo bazesas sur la D.E.F.I.R.S. >> lingui. Tamen existas adminime du altra >> tre grava lingui por Ido, nome la >> Latina e la Greka. Ica lingui esas >> tre grava pro ke li reprezentas kulturi >> qui esas ye la fonto di nia Europana >> e westala kulturo. Savesas ke multa >> vorti qui trovesas en nia linguo >> devenas de la Latina mediace la >> Europana kulturlingui. Onu savas >> min multe ke ico validas anke por la >> Greka linguo, nam multa savanta vorti >> de la Latina (e mem kelka altri) >> devenas de la Greka. La Romani qui >> esis rustika rurani, lor lia >> splendideso e mondala povo adoptis la >> Greka civilizo e pro to onu parolas >> pri Greko-Romana civilizuro di qua >> ni esas la heredanto e mem nun la >> tota mondo. >> La Greka esis tante importanta ke ye >> la Renesanco, multa Europana lingui >> adoptis ciencala vorti Greka. >> Diferante de la Latina, la Greka esas >> sempre vivanta linguo. Olu certe >> evolucionis, ma konservas multa >> radiki dil klasika linguo di lua >> brilanta pasinteso. Certe pro la >> nombro (cirkume 10 milioni de >> parolanti), la Greka ne povas esar >> grava idiomo, ma existas anke la >> kulturala pezo quan nia preirinti >> nesagace obliviis. Ita kulturala >> pezo esas tante forta ke ankore nun >> onu pruntas vorti ciencala a la >> Greka anciena e mem moderna tale >> sofrologio, hipnoto edc. De la moderna >> existas adminime vorto bone konocata >> dil mediki. Omni savas ke nun multa >> homi mortas en la hospitali, ne pro >> lia maladeso, ma pro infekteso de >> virusi qui troveblesas en hospitali. >> Onu nomas ica infektesi nosokomiala (*) >> infektesi segun la vorto nosokomio >> qua signifikas hospitalo en la Greka. >> Pro ke ica vorto existas probable en >> omna defirs lingui nun, me supozas ke >> ni devus aceptar ol, ma lore la >> problemo esas : ka ni devas aceptar >> la vorto nosokomio (*) kom sinonimo >> ed alterniva vorto di hospitalo ? >> Nosokomio quik de la komenco havas >> dezinenco qua fitas tote bone kun >> nia linguo. Me desaprobas la remplaso >> de ja existanta vorti, ma me esas >> favoroza a sinonimi ed alternativa >> vorti qui povas esar tre utila. >> Cetere la Greka (moderna) solvis >> vortala problemi exemplatre. Exemple >> en Ido (ed anke en Espo) ni havas >> la vorto radio qua povas signifikar : >> sun-radio o radio-aparato. Certe la >> kuntexto posibligas facile savar pri >> quo parolesas. En la Greka por la >> aparato existas la vorto : radiofono. >> Pro ke en Ido ja existas magnetofono >> (anke en Espo), ni povus tote bone >> adoptar la vorto radiofono (*) tale >> ne existus mem la maxim mikra >> ambigueso. >> Do, la Greka meritas sidilo en la >> kunsido di la grava Europana lingui >> por la formaco di nia linguo. Olua >> kulturala pezo esas tre forta e >> permanas ankore cadie, tote egale la >> importanteso di Grekia ipsa. >> La Latina e la Greka (anciena e >> moderna) esas la Europana lingui >> eminente. >> Kun kordiala ciberspacala saluti. >> martignonjean@lemel.fr >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Just Tell Us What You Want... >> Respond.com - Shopping the World for You! >> http://clickhere.egroups.com/click/390 >> eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto >> http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications > -- Arachne V1.48;beta, NON-COMMERCIAL copy, http://home.arachne.cz/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > FreeShop is the #1 place for free and trial offers and great deals! > Try something new and discover more ways to save! > http://clickhere.egroups.com/click/381 > eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto > http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications -- Arachne V1.48;beta, NON-COMMERCIAL copy, http://home.arachne.cz/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 654 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 17777 invoked by uid 7770); 5 Jul 1999 04:19:37 -0000 Received: from qg.egroups.com (HELO qg.findmail.com) (10.1.2.27) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 5 Jul 1999 04:19:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 13965 invoked from network); 5 Jul 1999 04:19:34 -0000 Received: from cgews1.hum.nagoya-cu.ac.jp (202.35.194.1) by qg.egroups.com with SMTP; 5 Jul 1999 04:19:34 -0000 Received: from [202.35.194.63] ([202.35.194.63]) by cgews1.hum.nagoya-cu.ac.jp (8.9.3/3.7W99022518) with ESMTP id NAA05672 for ; Mon, 5 Jul 1999 13:15:36 +0900 (JST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Macintosh Eudora Pro Version 4.0.1J Message-Id: Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1999 13:21:11 +0900 To: idolisto@egroups.com From: "MORITA, Akira" Subject: [ido] Kristana e japoniana kalendarii Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1280973996==_ma============" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --============_-1280973996==_ma============= Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Yen la informo por Sro Neussner. Tenno (imperiestro) Hirohito, nun nomata Showa-Tenno, mortis en la sepesma dio di Januaro 1989. La nova ero "Heisei" kun la Tenno Akihito komencis ye la dio sequinta. Sube esas la komparanta tabelo di du sistemi; Anno domini e la Japoniana yaro. 1868 / Meiji 1 1912 / Meiji 45, Taisho 1 1913 / Taisho 2 1926 / Taisho 15, Showa 1 1927 / Showa 2 1989 / Showa 64, Heisei 1 1990 / Heisei 2 1999 / Heisei 11 (On pronuncez la ero-nomi segun Ido. Nur la vokalo "o" en amba eri Taisho e Showa esas duople longa.) Amikal saluti! Akira M. MORITA, Akira morita@hum.nagoya-cu.ac.jp ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications --============_-1280973996==_ma============= Content-Type: text/enriched; charset="us-ascii" content-type: text/enriched; charset="us-ascii" Times_New_RomanYen la informo por Sro Neussner. Tenno (imperiestro) Hirohito, nun nomata Showa-Tenno, mortis en la sepesma dio di Januaro 1989. La nova ero "Heisei" kun la Tenno Akihito komencis ye la dio sequinta. Sube esas la komparanta tabelo di du sistemi; Anno domini e la Japoniana yaro. 1868 / Meiji 1 1912 / Meiji 45, Taisho 1 1913 / Taisho 2 1926 / Taisho 15, Showa 1 1927 / Showa 2 1989 / Showa 64, Heisei 1 1990 / Heisei 2 1999 / Heisei 11 (On pronuncez la ero-nomi segun Ido. Nur la vokalo "o" en amba eri Taisho e Showa esas duople longa.) Amikal saluti! Akira M. MORITA, Akira morita@hum.nagoya-cu.ac.jp --============_-1280973996==_ma=============-- From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 655 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 32614 invoked by uid 7770); 5 Jul 1999 04:46:37 -0000 Received: from qg.egroups.com (HELO qg.findmail.com) (10.1.2.27) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 5 Jul 1999 04:46:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 18336 invoked from network); 5 Jul 1999 04:46:37 -0000 Received: from mga2.primo.co.jp (210.145.40.130) by qg.egroups.com with SMTP; 5 Jul 1999 04:46:37 -0000 Received: from mga2.primo.co.jp (unverified [210.145.40.140]) by mga2.primo.co.jp (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Mon, 05 Jul 1999 13:49:36 +0900 Message-ID: From: "Bebson Y. TAKATA" To: "IDOLISTO" Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1999 13:37:34 +0900 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] La voyo di Esperanto? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Kara Sri Cibernauti:#1 Generalajo #2 Linguo #3 Politiko #4 Religio ============================================================================== Kara Sro Frank KASPER e Sro Alfred NEUSSNER:#1 Quanta yaro nun es en Japonia? ============================================================================== Me standas bone, to-quon�me anke esperas de vi. 1999 - Heisei 11 1989 - Heisie 1 e Shouwa 64 : Imperiestro Shouwa mortis. 1926 - Shouwa 1 e Taishou 15 : Imperiestro Taishou mortis. 1912 - Taishou 1 e Meidji 45 : Imperiestro Meidji mortis. 1868 - Meidji 1 e la aperto di la Japonia e la fino di Edo-guvernerio ============================================================================== Kara Sro Hans STUIFBERGEN:#2 Ka vu ne lektis pro la voyajo mea antea letro? ============================================================================== 'Rock' en l'Angla ne koncernas 'roko, petro e stono' ma 'ocilar e bersar'. Do onu prefere uzez nova vorto quala rocko[rotsko]*-muziko e rockeri*[rotskeri]. Me dezirus savar quale vu opinionas pri mea rocko*-muziko..... ============================================================================== Kara Sro Daniel ALEGRETT:#2 Ka Ido devas sequar la voyo di Esperanto? ============================================================================== Me tote konkordas kun Sro Jean MARTIGNON pri DEFIRS + la Greka e la Latina. Tamen regretinde me volas ke Ido esez internaciona linguo por la tot Europani. Me imaginas la mixuro di Ido e la Japona e la China esor altra Frankenstein. Nam la kulturo e la pensmanieri di ta populi esas tote diferanta kam olti di tipala Europani. E me humile opinionas ke Esperanto ja faliabas en ta voyo. Quante multafoye me ne povis komprenar la frazi skribita da Japoni en Espto? Lia pensmanieri e lia uzado di vorti ne akordas kun l'Esperanto Europala. Onu bone konservez Ido kom tipala linguo KOMPRENEBLA por preske tota Europani. Do onu devas tradukar omna vorti partikulara di altra civilizi aden nocioni KOMPRENEBLA por Europani mem se la tradukado esus extreme desfacila o ne. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Adio! .....sincere via, B.Y.T. .....Idisto ed Idiotisto pro mea limitizita edukado ed anke Ido-Kavaliero e shinko-aktoro di Teatro FilozofiACHala ============================================================================== Pliz* indikez mea erori pri vorti, gramatiko, dicmaniero ec., nam me esas nura ne-edukito e devas lernar dum ke me vivas. Me sempre esperas, samideani, via amikeso por EXTRA prenar peno de via parto por instruktar me, qua durstas ye savo ulaspecala. Tamen en rara kazo kande me savas plu bone kam vi, me volunte transdonos mea humila savo a vi segun via bezoni. ============================================================================== ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 656 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 16101 invoked by uid 7770); 5 Jul 1999 08:49:56 -0000 Received: from qh.egroups.com (HELO qh.findmail.com) (10.1.2.28) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 5 Jul 1999 08:49:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 25716 invoked from network); 5 Jul 1999 08:49:52 -0000 Received: from epmsa001.ep.minsk.by (194.226.122.227) by qh.egroups.com with SMTP; 5 Jul 1999 08:49:52 -0000 Received: by epmsa001.ep.minsk.by with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Mon, 5 Jul 1999 11:49:56 +0300 Message-ID: <8D76D48EDDD3D211AC3000A0C98212E703A85D@epmsa001.ep.minsk.by> From: "Dmitri P. Laptsionak" To: "'idolisto@egroups.com'" Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1999 11:49:55 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Subject: [ido] Re: Ka nur D.E.F.I.R.S. ? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Saluto Daniel Ankore vu volas diskutar ca questiono pri "internacioneso". Ka vu povas dicar, quo esas internacioneso? Ka vu intencas ke en internaciona linguo esus vorti anke ek Japana, China, Araba, Hindi ed altra ne-europa granda lingui? Ma quale aspektos ta mixuro? Rimemorez Volapuk. O voluntez studiar algoritmo por vort-facado en moderna logika linguo "Lojban": on uzas sis lingui kom origina (Chinese, English, Hindi, Spanish, Russian, Arabic). Pose "Lojban"-igas la vorto ek ica lingui e mezuras tradukuro segun ponderi: Chinese 0.347 Hindi 0.196 English 0.160 Spanish 0.123 Russian 0.089 Arabic 0.085 La tradukuro kun maxim granda rezulto esas aceptata se ol ne esas ja uzata por altra vorto. Forsan ica principo esas plu "internaciona", ma ol konduktas a tota ne-rikonoceso. (gerku - hundo, melbi - bela, sutra - rapida). Me opinias, ke ultempe aparos aparta versio de konstruktita linguo por Azia regiono, por Araba, por Afrika. E pos ula tempo ili kunligesos. Ma til ta tempo vu esos prava, ke Ido (Esperanto, Glosa, ed altri) por ne-europani esas nur plu facila "europa" lingui. Zmicier ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 657 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 31617 invoked by uid 7770); 5 Jul 1999 09:27:32 -0000 Received: from qh.egroups.com (HELO qh.findmail.com) (10.1.2.28) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 5 Jul 1999 09:27:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 30342 invoked from network); 5 Jul 1999 09:27:33 -0000 Received: from new.sis.it (HELO dipobox.sis.it) (193.70.16.253) by qh.egroups.com with SMTP; 5 Jul 1999 09:27:32 -0000 Received: from lizard [193.70.17.6] with smtp by dipobox.sis.it with smtp (Smail-3.2.0.103 1998-Oct-9 #4 #4) id m11150Q-000R4rC; Mon, 5 Jul 1999 11:25:42 +0200 (MEST) Message-Id: Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1999 11:25:42 +0200 (MEST) X-Sender: narcar@mailserver.sis.it X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 To: idolisto@egroups.com From: Carlo Nardini Subject: [ido] tradukemeso Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Kar amiki, Kar Hans Stuifbergen (Polvomonti), Fine, me savas haz= arde la signifiko di vua nomo. Me ja serchis ol uldie. To e= ventis kande la Papo beatifikis Padre Pio (Patro Pio). Vu skribis p= ri to, tradukante "Padre Pio" a "Pia Patro": >Me gratulas l' Italiani pro = la santigo di Pia Patro... >me supozas ke anke exter Italia la Pia Patro es= famoza... Me esis tre enoyita da to, quon me judikis vua (idala) manio = tradukar omno. Nam "Pio" es propra nomo (exemple, dek-e-du Papi nomizesis = "Pio"), kom Hans, Andreas, Louis... e segun me ne darfas tradukesar, irgeq= ua esas lua etimologiala signifiko. Admaxime ol povas latinigesar a "Pius"= . Se me trovabus la traduko di vua nomo, me skribabus a vu proxime tale: = - Kara Sioro Polvomonti, tam longe kam vvu dicos "Pia Patro" vice "Patro Pi= o" (me apene koncesas tradukar Padre a Patro), me nomos vu Polvomonti... = Hovee, me atingis nur "monto" e renuncis skribar pri to. Omnakaze vi Idis= ti esas kelkafoye tro tradukema, segun me (p.e. Internet --> interreto). -= -- Pri risorso* vu skribas: >Ma kad ol anke existas en la Germana, me apen= e povas kredar, >me kredas ke en la Germana ol es Anglajo aceptita. Qua = difero esas? Kande un vorto esas en la vortaro (e Ressource esas en du me= a Germana-Italiana-Germana vortari, 1966 e 1996 respektive) ne importas a = me de ube ol venas: se ol esas enregistrigita, to signifikas ke ol esas ko= nocita e uzita, e to suficas a me. Pasante, Ressource esas anke en la "Gr= osses W=F6rterbuch DEUTSCH-IDO" (da Kurt Feder, 1919), kun la sequanta tra= duko: helpilo, moyeno. Kordiale Carlo Nardini ------= ------------------------------------------------------------------- eGroups= .com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - S= implifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 658 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@eGroups.com Received: (qmail 1608 invoked by uid 7770); 5 Jul 1999 10:51:24 -0000 Received: from qh.egroups.com (HELO qh.findmail.com) (10.1.2.28) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 5 Jul 1999 10:51:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 7823 invoked from network); 5 Jul 1999 10:51:24 -0000 Received: from mu.egroups.com (207.138.41.151) by qh.egroups.com with SMTP; 5 Jul 1999 10:51:24 -0000 Received: from [10.1.2.5] by mu.egroups.com with NNFMP; 05 Jul 1999 11:51:24 -0000 Date: Mon, 05 Jul 1999 03:51:13 -0700 From: lalegrett@cantv.net To: idolisto@eGroups.com Message-ID: <7lq2n1$mr7i@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.73 X-Mailer: www.eGroups.com Message Poster Subject: [ido] Re: La voyo di Esperanto? Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ======================================================================= ======= > 'Rock' en l'Angla ne koncernas 'roko, petro e stono' ma 'ocilar e bersar'. Do > onu prefere uzez nova vorto quala rocko[rotsko]*-muziko e rockeri*[rotskeri]. > Me dezirus savar quale vu opinionas pri mea rocko*-muziko..... Tamen, vua "rocko" [rotsko] ne esas bona pronunco. On mustas respektar la originala pronunco. ======================================================================= ======= > Kara Sro Daniel ALEGRETT:#2 Ka Ido devas sequar la voyo di Esperanto? Ne nomez me "Sinioro"!!! :)) > ===================================================================== ========= > Me tote konkordas kun Sro Jean MARTIGNON pri DEFIRS + la Greka e la Latina. > Tamen regretinde me volas ke Ido esez internaciona linguo por la tot Europani. To esas bona, ke Ido esez internaciona linguo por nur qui parolas lingui europani. To ne esas mala ideo, tamen Esperantisti deziras ke Esperanto esez la linguo por la tota homaro. Me ne povas aceptar to. > Me imaginas la mixuro di Ido e la Japona e la China esor altra Frankenstein. > Nam la kulturo e la pensmanieri di ta populi esas tote diferanta kam olti di > tipala Europani. To me dicis ad la esperantisti. La pensmanieri esas tote diferanta (Sapir-Whorf). Do, Esperanto ne esas neutrala. On ne povas dezirar Esperanto esez la universala linguo, ma altra. Ka forsan nova linguo? "Logika" lingui dicas facar to. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 659 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@eGroups.com Received: (qmail 5937 invoked by uid 7770); 5 Jul 1999 11:00:10 -0000 Received: from qh.egroups.com (HELO qh.findmail.com) (10.1.2.28) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 5 Jul 1999 11:00:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 9175 invoked from network); 5 Jul 1999 11:00:10 -0000 Received: from mu.egroups.com (207.138.41.151) by qh.egroups.com with SMTP; 5 Jul 1999 11:00:10 -0000 Received: from [10.1.2.5] by mu.egroups.com with NNFMP; 05 Jul 1999 12:00:10 -0000 Date: Mon, 05 Jul 1999 04:00:03 -0700 From: lalegrett@cantv.net To: idolisto@eGroups.com Message-ID: <7lq37j$6ciu@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <8D76D48EDDD3D211AC3000A0C98212E703A85D@epmsa001.ep.minsk.by> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.73 X-Mailer: www.eGroups.com Message Poster Subject: [ido] Re: Ka nur D.E.F.I.R.S. ? Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit <8d76d48eddd3d211ac3000a0c98212e703a85-@epmsa001.ep.minsk.by> wrote: original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto/?start=656 > Saluto Daniel > > Ankore vu volas diskutar ca questiono > pri "internacioneso". Ka vu povas dicar, > quo esas internacioneso? Ka vu intencas > ke en internaciona linguo esus vorti anke > ek Japana, China, Araba, Hindi ed altra > ne-europa granda lingui? Ma quale aspektos > ta mixuro? Rimemorez Volapuk. O voluntez > studiar algoritmo por vort-facado en > moderna logika linguo "Lojban": on uzas > sis lingui kom origina (Chinese, English, > Hindi, Spanish, Russian, Arabic). Pose > "Lojban"-igas la vorto ek ica lingui e > mezuras tradukuro segun ponderi: > Chinese 0.347 > Hindi 0.196 > English 0.160 > Spanish 0.123 > Russian 0.089 > Arabic 0.085 > La tradukuro kun maxim granda rezulto esas > aceptata se ol ne esas ja uzata por altra > vorto. > Forsan ica principo esas plu "internaciona", > ma ol konduktas a tota ne-rikonoceso. > (gerku - hundo, melbi - bela, sutra - rapida). "Neutraleco" esas plu importanta por me. Ne esas "Rikonoceso" por la ne-europani. Ka australiana aborigeno konas la europana vorti "rapida", "hundo", "bela"? NE! Do, Esperanto ne povas, ne mustas esar universala linguo, ma forsan vua Lobjan povas. > Me opinias, ke ultempe aparos aparta versio > de konstruktita linguo por Azia regiono, > por Araba, por Afrika. E pos ula tempo ili > kunligesos. Me lernos ol! > Ma til ta tempo vu esos prava, ke Ido > (Esperanto, Glosa, ed altri) por ne-europani > esas nur plu facila "europa" lingui. Me dankas vua kompreneso. Esperantisti ne volas komprenar. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 660 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 18400 invoked by uid 7770); 5 Jul 1999 13:18:46 -0000 Received: from qh.egroups.com (HELO qh.findmail.com) (10.1.2.28) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 5 Jul 1999 13:18:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 30458 invoked from network); 5 Jul 1999 13:18:46 -0000 Received: from smtp01.wxs.nl (195.121.6.61) by qh.egroups.com with SMTP; 5 Jul 1999 13:18:46 -0000 Received: from pc ([195.121.211.9]) by smtp01.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with SMTP id AAB5772 for ; Mon, 5 Jul 1999 15:18:40 +0200 Message-ID: <000301bec6e8$8fa32a60$09d379c3@pc> From: "Eric Dickens" To: "idolisto" Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1999 15:13:06 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Subject: [ido] DEFIRS / GAPHIR - quanta lingui? Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000B_01BEC6F8.E2495B80" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01BEC6F8.E24955B80 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_000C_01BEC6F8.E2495B80" content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_000C_01BEC6F8.E2495B80" ------=_NextPart_001_000C_01BEC6F8.E24955B80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" QUANTA LINGUI EN LA DEFIRS- / GAPHIR-SISTEMO? 6 julio 1999 Kar amiki, Me= lektis la letri da Sri Martignon, Alegrett e Laptsionak e pensis: quo es p= raktikebla, quo efikanta? La DEFIRS-sistemo es Eurocentrala* (t.e. Europa = esas olua centro). Ica es fakto quon ni povas sive aceptar, sive krear nova= mondolinguon. Me interesas pri lingui, granda e mikra, e volus inkluzar om= ni en la selekto-sistemo, ma hike ni devas esar realista. Se vi lektas la a= djuntata texto "Top 100 Languages", ni povus havar Bengali, Hindi e Portuga= lana en nia listo. L'Araba linguo es interesanta por ke la 5-6 parolata ver= sioni es sufice diferente. O ka ita kategorii es komploto da l'Anglocentral= a homi, qua skribis la listo? La "divide et impere" (dividez e guvernez) di= ica "Anglocentristi". Ma, egardante ke ni single apene konoskas plu kam du= de nia DEFIRS-lingui, e ne havas akademio, quale ni povus traktar lingui, = l'alfabetin di qua ni Idisti (pro ke preske omna de ni havas Europana lingu= i kom matrolinguo) mem ne konocas? Anke tre, tre, Eurocentrala es la sint= axo di Ido. La sintaxo di Ido es, fundamentale, ita dil Romana lingui. Por = Germana-, Kelta- e Slava-parolanti, la sequo dil vorti forsan ne esas tale = evidenta. Pro quo ni ne esus tante radikala, ke ni komparus anke la sintaxi= di omna DEFIRS-lingui? Pro ke la "fondanta patri" di nia Ido-movemento, ko= nsequante de la logiko dil Esperantisti, opinionis, ke la Romana sintaxo es= us la maxim bona por konstruktita linguo en Europa. (Me pensas, tamen, ke i= ta homi ne havis tre klara ideo pri quo eventas fore di Europa e la Europan= a kolonii.) Uli del unesma Esperantisti ed Idisti esis Judi, ma li ne insi= stis, ke la Hebrea linguo, la linguo "di Deo e la Biblio", esez inkluzata = en la DEFIRS-sistemo. Preske la sama logiko es relevanta pri la Latina e Gr= eka lingui. La du lingui esis fundamentala por la developeso o evoluciono d= i nia moderna Europala lingui, ma l'influi esas ja asimilita. Sive ni kreas= nova linguo, "Novklasiko'" o simila, sive ni limitizas nia exploradi ed in= questadi ad manuagebla nombro de lingui. Me do asentas l'opinioni di Zmic= ier Laptsionak kande il skribis pri la nekomprenebleso di Volapuk e la "lin= guo di logiko" Lojban. Me timas, ke tro multa Idisti esas tro "logikala" e = ne pensas pri la praktikal aspekti di nia lingui. Es facila diskutar, debat= ar e konstruktar bela intelektala edifici ("kasteli en l'aero" dicas me en = l'Angla linguo). Ma me esas sempre pensinta, ke la vizo o skopo di Ido es, = ke ni uzez lo. Fine, me es kurioza savar quale la milioni de homi qua NE h= avas DEFIRS-lingui kom matrolinguo pensus pri la "DEFIRSismo". La majoreso = de interreto-debatanti pri Ido (inkuze me ipsa) esas "DEFIRSisti". Ica es l= a kustumala kulturala imperialismo di granda lingui. Altralatere, ni devas = pensar klare: quanta linguala demokratio, quanta koncesi por faciligar l'uz= ado di nia linguo? Saluti, Eric Dickens -----------------------------= -------------------------------------------- eGroups.com home: http://www.e= groups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group commun= ications ------=_NextPart_001_000C_01BEC6F8.E24955B80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable content-type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" QUANTA = LINGUI EN LA DEFIRS- / GAPHIR-SISTEMO?

6 julio 1999

Kar amik= i,

Me lektis la letri da Sri Martignon, Alegrett e Laptsionak e pen= sis: quo es
praktikebla, quo efikanta?

La DEFIRS-sistemo es Euro= centrala* (t.e. Europa esas olua centro). Ica es fakto quon ni
povas si= ve aceptar, sive krear nova mondolinguon. Me interesas pri lingui, granda = e
mikra, e volus inkluzar omni en la selekto-sistemo, ma hike ni devas = esar realista. Se vi lektas la
adjuntata texto "Top 100 Languages&= quot;, ni povus havar Bengali, Hindi e
Portugalana en nia listo. L'Arab= a linguo es interesanta por ke la 5-6 parolata versioni es sufice diferent= e. O ka ita kategorii es komploto da l'Anglocentrala homi, qua skribis la = listo? La "divide et impere" (dividez e guvernez) di ica "A= nglocentristi". Ma, egardante ke ni single apene konoskas plu kam du = de nia DEFIRS-lingui, e ne havas akademio, quale ni povus traktar lingui, = l'alfabetin di qua ni Idisti (pro ke preske omna de ni havas Europana ling= ui kom matrolinguo) mem ne konocas?
 
Anke tre, tre, Eurocentrala es la sintaxo di Ido. La sin= taxo di Ido es, fundamentale, ita dil Romana lingui. Por Germana-, Kelta- = e Slava-parolanti, la sequo dil vorti forsan ne esas tale evidenta. Pro qu= o ni ne esus tante radikala, ke ni komparus anke la sintaxi di omna DEFIRS= -lingui? Pro ke la "fondanta patri" di nia Ido-movemento, konseq= uante de la logiko dil Esperantisti, opinionis, ke la Romana sintaxo esus = la maxim bona por konstruktita linguo en Europa. (Me pensas, tamen, ke ita= homi ne havis tre klara ideo pri quo eventas fore di Europa e la Europana= kolonii.)
 
Uli del unesma Esperantisti ed Idis= ti esis Judi, ma li ne insistis, ke la Hebrea linguo, la linguo "di D= eo e la Biblio",  esez inkluzata en la DEFIRS-sistemo. Preske la= sama logiko es relevanta pri la Latina e Greka lingui. La du lingui esis = fundamentala por la developeso o evoluciono di nia moderna Europala lingui= , ma l'influi esas ja asimilita. Sive ni kreas nova linguo, "Novklasi= ko'" o simila, sive ni limitizas nia exploradi ed inquestadi ad = manuagebla nombro de lingui.
 
Me do asentas l'= opinioni di Zmicier Laptsionak kande il skribis pri la nekomprenebleso di = Volapuk e la "linguo di logiko" Lojban. Me timas, ke tro multa I= disti esas tro "logikala" e ne pensas pri la praktikal aspekti d= i nia lingui. Es facila diskutar, debatar e konstruktar bela intelektala e= difici ("kasteli en l'aero" dicas me en l'Angla linguo). Ma me e= sas sempre pensinta, ke la vizo o skopo di Ido es, ke ni uzez lo.
 
Fine, me es kurioza savar quale la milioni de homi qua = NE havas DEFIRS-lingui kom matrolinguo pensus pri la "DEFIRSismo"= ;. La majoreso de interreto-debatanti pri Ido (inkuze me ipsa) esas "= DEFIRSisti". Ica es la kustumala kulturala imperialismo di granda lin= gui. Altralatere, ni devas pensar klare: quanta linguala demokratio, quant= a koncesi por faciligar l'uzado di nia linguo?
 
Saluti,
 
Eric Dickens
 
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------=_NextPart_001_000C_01BEC6F8.E24955B80-- ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01BEC6F8.E24955B80-- From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 661 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 5995 invoked by uid 7770); 5 Jul 1999 13:52:20 -0000 Received: from qh.egroups.com (HELO qh.findmail.com) (10.1.2.28) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 5 Jul 1999 13:52:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 3352 invoked from network); 5 Jul 1999 13:52:20 -0000 Received: from spartacus.a2000.nl (HELO smtp2.a2000.nl) (62.108.1.20) by qh.egroups.com with SMTP; 5 Jul 1999 13:52:20 -0000 Received: from node118d7.a2000.nl ([24.132.24.215] helo=HansStuifbergen) by smtp2.a2000.nl with smtp (Exim 2.02 #4) id 1119AQ-0007HZ-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Mon, 5 Jul 1999 15:52:19 +0200 Message-ID: <002601bec6ee$abcce2c0$d7188418@HansStuifbergen.a2000.nl> From: "Ido-Info" To: "idolisto" Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1999 15:59:59 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Subject: [ido] tradukemeso Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kar amiki e kar amiko Carlo Nardini, Voluntez, me pregas a vu ne esar enoyata o forsan mem exasperata da mea tradukemeso. Me ne intencas enoyar od exasperar irgu. Me sincere kredis ke l' Italiana "Pio" esis adjektiva por l' idala 'pia'. Ne kredez ke me intencis mokar. E la tradukemeso, ka ni omni ne deziras montrar l' utileso e precipue l' aplikebleso di Ido-linguo? Vere, me es min tradukema kam vu expektas, anke me respektas l' ortografii di nomi kultural e personala. Koncernante l' anglaji en altra lingui, adminime en la Nederlandana, me ya exasperas pro l' abundanta uzo di anglaji, precipue ube bona, apta (ed ofte anke plu bela) vorto Nederlandana existas. Se expresuro ne existas, lore yes, me aceptas anglajo, same kam multa altra lingui influis e kontributis a la richeso de vorti stranjera di mea matrala linguo. Ma prezente, ya semblas esar tre "bon-ton" e populara parolar l' Angla. Me imputas la tradukisti, ma precipue fabrikanti esar tro facila e senfantazia pri tradukar. Produkti es reklamata esar "light", Nederlandana vorto diferas nur per un mikra litero "licht", ma probable on opinionas la Nederlandana vorto tro simpla. Es centi de tal exempli quin me ne komprenas. Kad che vu en Italia nun anke dicesas "home page"? Es quale se nia lingui es konsiderata del ero di la Flinstones e ne es kapabla tradukar la vorti 'hemo' e 'pagino' (Ndlne: thuispagina, quale en l' Italiana?). Irgaquale esez, quon me nur ne deziras es ke l' Angla divenas etalono di omna lingui. Me es kontra vorti Angla pro ke oli es konocata tra la tota mondo. Tale ne restas multe por altra lingui. Se to divenas la kriterio, lore esos plu bona abolisar GFHIR e nur fondar l' internacionaleso dil Ido-vorti ye l' Angla. Atencez, me ne es kontra l' Angla, quan me opinionas tre bela linguo, ma ne la maxim bela (mea personal opiniono). Cetere, ka vi anke lektis en la jurnali ke Germania (ed Austria) postulas ke dokumenti dil asembli Europana anke esos tradukata aden la Germana, vice nur l' Angla, la Franca e la linguo di la prezidanta naciono, cakaze la Finlandana. Justa li es, la Germani! Tre amikale salutanta vi, Ioano Polvomonti, Amstel-terpleno (se on tradukas Amsterdam) ************************************************ Ido, linguo internaciona, absolute vizitez: http://members.tripod.com/~avancigado ************************************************ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 662 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 26788 invoked by uid 7770); 5 Jul 1999 15:51:41 -0000 Received: from qh.egroups.com (HELO qh.findmail.com) (10.1.2.28) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 5 Jul 1999 15:51:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 27864 invoked from network); 5 Jul 1999 15:51:41 -0000 Received: from spartacus.a2000.nl (HELO smtp2.a2000.nl) (62.108.1.20) by qh.egroups.com with SMTP; 5 Jul 1999 15:51:41 -0000 Received: from node118d7.a2000.nl ([24.132.24.215] helo=HansStuifbergen) by smtp2.a2000.nl with smtp (Exim 2.02 #4) id 111B1v-0002eg-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Mon, 5 Jul 1999 17:51:39 +0200 Message-ID: <005f01bec6ff$586dbee0$d7188418@HansStuifbergen.a2000.nl> From: "Ido-Info" To: "idolisto" Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1999 17:59:20 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Subject: [ido] la Latviana Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kar amiki, Adjuntita es lecioni en la Latviana, on trovas la texti per l' adreso infre ca mesajo. Saluti amikala, Hans St. ************************************************************* Lektez: LA HERISONI, rakonteto desegnita, da Rymke Fl. 2,50 / Euri 1,40 / 2 Int. Kuponi di Respondi ************************************************************* Ido, linguo internaciona, absolute vizitez: http://members.tripod.com/~avancigado ************************************************************* ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 663 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 19035 invoked by uid 7770); 5 Jul 1999 16:28:35 -0000 Received: from qg.egroups.com (HELO qg.findmail.com) (10.1.2.27) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 5 Jul 1999 16:28:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 28451 invoked from network); 5 Jul 1999 16:28:35 -0000 Received: from rs3s4.datacenter.cha.cantv.net (200.44.32.53) by qg.egroups.com with SMTP; 5 Jul 1999 16:28:35 -0000 Received: from cantv.net (tc1r9-073.ras.cha.cantv.net [200.44.6.73]) by rs3s4.datacenter.cha.cantv.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1/1.0) with SMTP id MAA08638 for ; Mon, 5 Jul 1999 12:28:33 -0400 (VET) Message-Id: <199907051628.MAA08638@rs3s4.datacenter.cha.cantv.net> From: "Daniel Alegrett" Organization: Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 12:39:20 -0400 X-Mailer: Arachne V1.48;beta To: idolisto@egroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] DEFIRS / GAPHIR - quanta lingui? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Danko, danko, danko, Eric!!! -- Arachne V1.48;beta, NON-COMMERCIAL copy, http://home.arachne.cz/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 664 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 17653 invoked by uid 7770); 5 Jul 1999 18:50:07 -0000 Received: from qg.egroups.com (HELO qg.findmail.com) (10.1.2.27) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 5 Jul 1999 18:50:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 22647 invoked from network); 5 Jul 1999 18:50:07 -0000 Received: from spartacus.a2000.nl (HELO smtp2.a2000.nl) (62.108.1.20) by qg.egroups.com with SMTP; 5 Jul 1999 18:50:07 -0000 Received: from node118d7.a2000.nl ([24.132.24.215] helo=HansStuifbergen) by smtp2.a2000.nl with smtp (Exim 2.02 #4) id 111DoZ-0004Bf-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Mon, 5 Jul 1999 20:50:03 +0200 Message-ID: <00a301bec718$442d13e0$d7188418@HansStuifbergen.a2000.nl> From: "Ido-Info" To: "idolisto" Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1999 20:56:24 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Subject: [ido] nova introduktotexto en la Hungariana Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dankez Mark en Hungaria me havas introduktiva texto pri Ido en la Hungariana. Kurioza pri ta linguo? Regardez per l' adreso infre. Saluti amikala, Hans St. ************************************************************* Lektez: LA HERISONI, rakonteto desegnita, da Rymke Fl. 2,50 / Euri 1,40 / 2 Int. 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Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Kar amiki idista, Wavre(Belgia) 5/7/99 Quale vu sendubite konstatis,me dissendis Progreso 316 ye la29ma di junio: SPECALA INFORMO A HANS E FRANK: kontree a to quon me anuncabis, me tre regretas ne povar partoprenar en l'Ido-konfero en Neviges pro la mala stando di mea spozino (me ja informis A.Neussner); pro ta situeso Franz Regnier anke ne partoprenos; fakte il aceptabis akompanar me se me partoprenos. Sendubite, vi ja informesis ke Gon�alo Neves renuncis anke partoprenar pro motivi personala quin il komunikis a me. Koncerne la diskuti aktuala en Idolisto, yen mea opiniono: me ne kredas ke l'Ido-movemento ne sucesis pro l'anciena disputi inter stabilisti e reformisti. Fakte ti qui volis reale reformar livis l'Idistaro, fondis lia propra sistemo o desaparis en la naturo; ni uzas sempre hodie l'Ido di la KGD e mem l'Ido di Couturat en 1914 . To vere jenas me la duro di ta anciena disputi. Ni ne konfundez "reformo" ed "expresuri nova"; esas normala ke tala expresuri od alternativa formi esez propozata, nam se ol esas uzata, linguo genitas tala kreaji , aceptebla tam longe kam ol restas en la kontinueso e konservas la principi originala di la linguo. A Juste enuncis unfoye pluse en Progreso 311, sub la titulo "nova starto", la justa atitudo pri ta questioni; me incitas omnu rilektar ta texto. Plu grava segun me, es la manko de seriozeso, quan me konstatas en Idolisto; che certeni, on uzas la linguo sen verifiko e sen granda reflekto, segun to quo venas en la mento, exemple l'uzo di kom, kam, quale, la reagi vice reakti, specimo vice specimeno, recente, edc. Ya kontree kelki ne nur uzas korekta linguo ma manifestas segun me vera kompreno dil genio di la linguo ( e me gratulas specale Hans pri to) Pro quo nia manko di suceso anteriore: 1) la motivo recente expresita sur Idolisto da A. Neussner es certe konvenanta e sagaca 2) Umberto Eco en sua "serchado di la linguo perfekta" (il donis publika lecioni en Sorbonne en Paris pri to) opinionas ke linguo por sucesar devas esar portanta di "religio" en larja sinso! To es vera , la Franca esis uldie portanta dil religio dil kulturo, la Germana,ankore nun,dil religio dil filozofio (anke cienco acesore),ed aktuale l'Angla dil religio di la tekniko e komuniko (aktuala dominacanta religio). Umberto Eco qua studiis omna sistemi di lingui konstruktita opinionas ke inter ta sistemi, Espo sole sucesis pro ke ol esis portanta di religio (homaranismo ?) kontree a l 'altra sistemi. Il skribas mem "l'Ido faliis pro ke il esis portanta di nula religio" 3) triesma motivo segun me: la tipala esperantisto e la tipala idisto esas diferanta homi quale me ja sugestis anteriore; l'espisto konsideras la linguo kom moyeno por komunikar kun altra homi tra la mondo e ne tro sucias pri la perfekteso di ta linguo ; kontraste, l'idisto esas inklinata konsiderar nur la linguo ipsa ed aportas tota sua atenco pri ol e mem lua eventuala perfektigo(to mem esis enskribita en la statuti) to quo impedis lu krear strukturi necesa a granda movemento. Esas tote certa ke l'unesma koncepto mustas atraktar tre plu multa interesati kam la duesma.Ma tala es la situeso: idisto ne esas esperantisto mem se li povas interrelatar e komunikar amikale. Me certe havos okaziono pludetalizar ta opinioni. Kordial saluto ad omni. Jacques Bol jbol@skynet.be ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 666 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 20286 invoked by uid 7770); 6 Jul 1999 10:57:46 -0000 Received: from qh.egroups.com (HELO qh.findmail.com) (10.1.2.28) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 6 Jul 1999 10:57:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 30570 invoked from network); 6 Jul 1999 10:57:46 -0000 Received: from law-f293.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (209.185.130.232) by qh.egroups.com with SMTP; 6 Jul 1999 10:57:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 45686 invoked by uid 0); 6 Jul 1999 10:57:46 -0000 Message-ID: <19990706105746.45685.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 159.15.128.3 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 06 Jul 1999 03:57:46 PDT From: James Chandler To: idolisto@egroups.com Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 10:57:46 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] membro-listo Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kara sro Takata Me konkordas kun vu, ke membri devas povar acesar la membro-listo. Balde me pregos helpo che egroups.com pri ta temo. Kordiale, James Chandler idojc@hotmail.com http://yi.com/home/ChandlerJames http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Forum/5037 ______________________________________________________ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 667 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 23328 invoked by uid 7770); 6 Jul 1999 11:03:12 -0000 Received: from qh.egroups.com (HELO qh.findmail.com) (10.1.2.28) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 6 Jul 1999 11:03:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 31403 invoked from network); 6 Jul 1999 11:03:12 -0000 Received: from law-f38.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (209.185.131.101) by qh.egroups.com with SMTP; 6 Jul 1999 11:03:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 27994 invoked by uid 0); 6 Jul 1999 11:03:12 -0000 Message-ID: <19990706110312.27993.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 159.15.128.3 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 06 Jul 1999 04:03:12 PDT From: James Chandler To: idolisto@egroups.com Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 11:03:12 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] Fwd: Ido Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tom Wood skribis: >Savar pro quo la Idala *movemento es tante mikra es imense importanta. Me >opinionas ke la kauzo es en Ido ipsa. La bazala principi es tro rigida. >Poezio, ube libereso ja existas, montras la voyo. Me opinionas ke sro Wood troestimas la importo di poezio en interlinguo. To quo vere importas es omnadiala komuniko. Forsan la kauzo propozata da sro W es un faktoro di la nesuceso di Ido, ma me opinionas ke esas altra, plu grava faktori. La situaciono* es plu komplexa kam multa homi kredas. Kordiale, James Chandler idojc@hotmail.com http://yi.com/home/ChandlerJames http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Forum/5037 ______________________________________________________ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 668 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 26428 invoked by uid 7770); 6 Jul 1999 11:09:02 -0000 Received: from qh.egroups.com (HELO qh.findmail.com) (10.1.2.28) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 6 Jul 1999 11:09:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 32359 invoked from network); 6 Jul 1999 11:09:03 -0000 Received: from law-f261.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (209.185.130.178) by qh.egroups.com with SMTP; 6 Jul 1999 11:09:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 92783 invoked by uid 0); 6 Jul 1999 11:09:03 -0000 Message-ID: <19990706110903.92782.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 159.15.128.3 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 06 Jul 1999 04:09:02 PDT From: James Chandler To: idolisto@egroups.com Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 11:09:02 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] nova radiki Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kar amiki Segun me *movemento es bezonata pro ke "movado" ne expresas la dezirata ideo, qua es plu komplexa ed abstrakta kam simpla durata movo. *pliz ne es bona, *plez es aceptebla a me, ma omnakaze "prego" de "pregar" semblas bone plenigar la bezono, ed es plu komoda kam "voluntez", quan nultempe me prizis. Kordiale, James Chandler idojc@hotmail.com http://yi.com/home/ChandlerJames http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Forum/5037 ______________________________________________________ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 669 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 16827 invoked by uid 7770); 6 Jul 1999 11:55:16 -0000 Received: from qg.egroups.com (HELO qg.findmail.com) (10.1.2.27) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 6 Jul 1999 11:55:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 1930 invoked from network); 6 Jul 1999 11:55:16 -0000 Received: from rs3s4.datacenter.cha.cantv.net (200.44.32.53) by qg.egroups.com with SMTP; 6 Jul 1999 11:55:16 -0000 Received: from cantv.net (tc3r7-032.ras.cha.cantv.net [200.44.13.31]) by rs3s4.datacenter.cha.cantv.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1/1.0) with SMTP id HAA19018 for ; Tue, 6 Jul 1999 07:55:12 -0400 (VET) Message-Id: <199907061155.HAA19018@rs3s4.datacenter.cha.cantv.net> From: "Daniel Alegrett" Organization: Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 08:01:48 -0400 X-Mailer: Arachne V1.48;beta To: idolisto@egroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] Me bezonas respondo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kara listani (me pregas exkuzi pro mea mala uzo di Ido) Me bezonas bona e konkreta respondo. To esas tre importanta por me. - Kad Idisti deziras ke la westala ed europana linguo internaciona Ido esez la (?)nura (?)helpa linguo por la tota homaro?, o - Kad Idisti agnoskas la europeso di Ido, e nur propozas ol quale internaciona linguo por qui parolas europana lingui? La unesma me ne povas acepti, e ni mustas ne acepti tala ideo. Tala esas la ideo de la Esperantisti pri Esperanto. To, me dicis, esas (?)etnocentrismo. Me batalias kun esperantisti, nam me dicis to a li. Adio, neutraleso... saluto, fashismo! La duesma me aceptos e laudos. Ido esas la maxim bona linguo por to. Me pensas ke Ido tote (?)plubonigis Esperanto. Me dicis to ad esperantisti, e la Venezuela Esperanto-Asocio oficale deklaris "milito" kontre me. Do, me bezonas respondo da Idisti pri la afero: Kad Idisti propozas Ido quale universala linguo (por la mondo) o quale europana linguo internaciona (por Amerika, Europa, e lia amiki [komercale, kulturale, (?)politikale, edc])? La respondo, ya me dicis, esas tre importanta por me. Daniel Alegrett (ne sinioro Alegrett! me esas nur puereto!) 22-yara amanto di: - kulturala neutraleso, - libera parolado, - libera pensado, - edc. Desamanto di - fashismo, - stalinismo - (?)etnocentrismo. De Caracas, Venezuela PS: Me anke bezonas respondo pri la Idala libri e revui! Me pregas respondo! -- Arachne V1.48;beta, NON-COMMERCIAL copy, http://home.arachne.cz/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 670 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 14129 invoked by uid 7770); 6 Jul 1999 14:51:03 -0000 Received: from qh.egroups.com (HELO qh.findmail.com) (10.1.2.28) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 6 Jul 1999 14:51:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 10238 invoked from network); 6 Jul 1999 14:51:03 -0000 Received: from spartacus.a2000.nl (HELO smtp2.a2000.nl) (62.108.1.20) by qh.egroups.com with SMTP; 6 Jul 1999 14:51:03 -0000 Received: from node118d7.a2000.nl ([24.132.24.215] helo=HansStuifbergen) by smtp2.a2000.nl with smtp (Exim 2.02 #4) id 111WYl-0002wq-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Tue, 6 Jul 1999 16:50:59 +0200 Message-ID: <011601bec7c0$09efa0a0$d7188418@HansStuifbergen.a2000.nl> From: "Ido-Info" To: "idolisto" Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 16:58:42 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Subject: [ido] europana, mondana Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kar amiki e kar amiko Daniel, Pro quo tante importas por vu kad Ido es por Europani o la tota mondo. Ido es: Idiomo Di Omni, do de Tokio a Zanzibar e de Nova Zembla a Tasmania. do, Ido es linguo por la tota mondo, ma atencez, ne esEZ. To es, se la homi deziras lernar ed uzar Ido, malgre olua relative granda bazo Europana. Ma ka to signifikas ke nur vorti de Europana lingui es uzata? Absolute ne! Ne nur vorti qui prezente influas nia lingui, ma anke vorti anciena qui penetris aden Europana lingui es aceptita dal Idisti. Savez ke es permisita uzar vorti stranjera (cakaze exterEuropana), ma por mantenar la komprenebleso oli es skribata en Ido-ortografio, e do inter citohoki, yen: "sushi" (Jap.), "tamagochi" (Jap.), "pariah" (Hindu), "troika" (Rus.), "glasnost" (Rus.), "didjeridu" (aborijena!), "guru" (Hindu), "jembe" (Keniana), "falafel" (Libanana), "intifada" (Palestinana) edc. Tam multe plu ta vorti es uzata, ye fino oli Ideskos, maxim probable, me ya povas imaginar ke 'didjeriduo', 'guruo', 'jembeo', 'falafelo', rezulteskos. Nulo mala pri internacionesko di Ido. Ne es motivo 'militinda', quale inter vu ed kelk Esperantisti. Ka lingui internaciona ne esis intencita por interfratesko, e pacesko? L' influo di la Greka e Latina en la lingui Europana esis tante granda, ke ni mem ne remarkas ke oli havas origini tala, yen: odiseo, telepatio, encefalo, televiziono, teleskopo, edc., oli semblas vorti tante diala a ni. Tam plusa partoprenanti di diferanta (ne-Europana) lingui, tam plu granda la chanco ke Ido chanjeskos, developas a linguo vere mixita. Ma me pensas ke to es developo quan ni devas vartar e ne impozar. Me absolute ne povas dicar kad Ido esez l' unika linguo por la mondo, nam tale me automate exkluzus omni qui ne deziras Ido. Ne es bon ideo, ka ne? Ido nur es linguo, kun bazo linguala precipue Europana, e ni ne es diktatori qui dicos ke on lernez Ido od altre... On lernas Ido, o ne, segun deziro, o se on deziras altra linguo, lore, lernez ta altra linguo. Se majoritato en Azia decidas krear Aziana "Ido", tre bone! Same kam la Swahili es en Afrika. Se omna interlingui es sat granda, ni riasemblos e mixos omna ta interlingui. Ma vere, me ne povas imaginar ke eventos tale. Me pensas ke Ido ofras su kom Europana linguo internaciona, qua ne timas la kontakti di altra (linguala) kulturi. Saluti amikala, Hans St. ************************************************************* Lektez: LA HERISONI, rakonteto desegnita, da Rymke Fl. 2,50 / Euri 1,40 / 2 Int. Kuponi di Respondi ************************************************************* Ido, linguo internaciona, absolute vizitez: http://members.tripod.com/~avancigado ************************************************************* ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 671 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 18271 invoked by uid 7770); 6 Jul 1999 14:56:14 -0000 Received: from qg.egroups.com (HELO qg.findmail.com) (10.1.2.27) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 6 Jul 1999 14:56:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 7083 invoked from network); 6 Jul 1999 14:56:14 -0000 Received: from spartacus.a2000.nl (HELO smtp2.a2000.nl) (62.108.1.20) by qg.egroups.com with SMTP; 6 Jul 1999 14:56:14 -0000 Received: from node118d7.a2000.nl ([24.132.24.215] helo=HansStuifbergen) by smtp2.a2000.nl with smtp (Exim 2.02 #4) id 111Wdp-0003Sd-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Tue, 6 Jul 1999 16:56:13 +0200 Message-ID: <011801bec7c0$c4c5d3e0$d7188418@HansStuifbergen.a2000.nl> From: "Ido-Info" To: "idolisto" Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 17:03:55 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Subject: [ido] libri Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Kar amiko Daniel, Pardonez me, me obliviis mencionar ke vu povas komendar libri tam che l' Idolibrerio en Cardiff, Anglia, kam la GIS (Germana Ido-Societo) en Germania. Yen l' adresi: Idolibrerio 44 Woodville Road Cathays Cardiff CF2 4EB Britania GIS Th�ringer strasse 3 37284 Waldkappel Germania Che ambe vu povas pregar gratuita librolisto. Ed itere, saluti amikala, Hans St. ************************************************************* Lektez: LA HERISONI, rakonteto desegnita, da Rymke Fl. 2,50 / Euri 1,40 / 2 Int. Kuponi di Respondi ************************************************************* Ido, linguo internaciona, absolute vizitez: http://members.tripod.com/~avancigado ************************************************************* ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 672 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 20843 invoked by uid 7770); 6 Jul 1999 15:37:06 -0000 Received: from qg.egroups.com (HELO qg.findmail.com) (10.1.2.27) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 6 Jul 1999 15:37:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 17559 invoked from network); 6 Jul 1999 15:37:05 -0000 Received: from rs5s2.datacenter.cha.cantv.net (200.44.32.55) by qg.egroups.com with SMTP; 6 Jul 1999 15:37:05 -0000 Received: from LALEGReTT (tc1r7-467.ras.cha.cantv.net [200.44.4.211]) by rs5s2.datacenter.cha.cantv.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1/1.0) with SMTP id LAA16511 for ; Tue, 6 Jul 1999 11:37:03 -0400 (VET) Message-ID: <37821FC5.4506@cantv.net> Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 11:24:53 -0400 From: Luis Alberto Alegrett Organization: Asesor?a Fiduciaria Integral X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: idolisto@egroups.com References: <011601bec7c0$09efa0a0$d7188418@HansStuifbergen.a2000.nl> Subject: [ido] Re: europana, mondana Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Danko, Hans. Me prizis vua vorti, e mi esos idisto se tala esas la penso de omna la idisti. Me forgesos la esperantista *koshmoro. Daniel. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 673 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 24275 invoked by uid 7770); 6 Jul 1999 17:02:40 -0000 Received: from qg.egroups.com (HELO qg.findmail.com) (10.1.2.27) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 6 Jul 1999 17:02:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 5150 invoked from network); 6 Jul 1999 17:02:41 -0000 Received: from spartacus.a2000.nl (HELO smtp2.a2000.nl) (62.108.1.20) by qg.egroups.com with SMTP; 6 Jul 1999 17:02:41 -0000 Received: from node118d7.a2000.nl ([24.132.24.215] helo=HansStuifbergen) by smtp2.a2000.nl with smtp (Exim 2.02 #4) id 111YcB-0006u5-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Tue, 6 Jul 1999 19:02:39 +0200 Message-ID: <012d01bec7d2$6eaacee0$d7188418@HansStuifbergen.a2000.nl> From: "Ido-Info" To: "idolisto" Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 19:10:15 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Subject: [ido] ne dankinde Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kar amiko Daniel, Ne dankinde! Tamen, me havas mikrega korektigo di vua texteto: obliviar (vice l' esperantala: forgesi). Tre probable vu ja savas (superflue me informas vu) ke existas kelka texti pri Ido en la Hispana ye l' interreto, inkluzante "pequenya diccionario Ido-Espanyol". Per l' adreso infre vu povas atingar oli. Cetere, koncernante Desorden Publico, vu esis justa. Me mis-skribis ke la muziko esis "metal" e "regea", ma segun la jurnalo efektive es "ska" e "punk", muziko quan me tre prizas. Me ne savas la qualeso muzikala di ta grupo, ma ante 20 yari (mama mea!, la tempo pasas tro rapide), me tre ofte askoltis ska- e punk-muziko. Nun me es olda kerlo, me es 16 yari plu olda kam vu, ma ankore tre prizas vizitar koncerti da pop-muzikisti. Quala muzikon vu prizas? Saluti amikala, Hans St. ************************************************************* >Ido, linguo internaciona, absolute vizitez: http://members.tripod.com/~avancigado + nova + nova + nova + nova + nova + nova + nova LA HERISONI, rakonteto desegnita, da Rymke che: http://www.angelfire.com/id/Avance/TiaListo1.html ************************************************************* ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 674 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 5768 invoked by uid 7770); 6 Jul 1999 18:02:01 -0000 Received: from qh.egroups.com (HELO qh.findmail.com) (10.1.2.28) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 6 Jul 1999 18:02:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 21718 invoked from network); 6 Jul 1999 18:02:01 -0000 Received: from rs1s2.datacenter.cha.cantv.net (200.44.32.51) by qh.egroups.com with SMTP; 6 Jul 1999 18:02:01 -0000 Received: from LALEGReTT (tc2r9-084.ras.cha.cantv.net [200.44.8.84]) by rs1s2.datacenter.cha.cantv.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1/1.0) with SMTP id OAA23396 for ; Tue, 6 Jul 1999 14:01:58 -0400 (VET) Message-ID: <37824245.F88@cantv.net> Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 13:52:05 -0400 From: Luis Alberto Alegrett Organization: Asesor�a Fiduciaria Integral X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: idolisto@egroups.com References: <012d01bec7d2$6eaacee0$d7188418@HansStuifbergen.a2000.nl> Subject: [ido] Re: ne dankinde Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Ido-Info wrote: > > Kar amiko Daniel, > > Ne dankinde! Tamen, me havas mikrega korektigo di vua texteto: obliviar > (vice l' esperantala: forgesi). To esas dankinda!!! > Tre probable vu ja savas (superflue me informas vu) ke existas kelka texti > pri Ido en la Hispana ye l' interreto, inkluzante "pequenya diccionario > Ido-Espanyol". Per l' adreso infre vu povas atingar oli. Kande me vidis ita pagino (Peque�o Diccionario Ido-Espa�ol) en la reto, me trovis ke nur kelka vorti esas en la hispana, e la cetera texto esas en la franca. Kad eroro o la hispana idisti ankore ne konstruktas ol? Me uzas la "Provizora Ido-Esperanto Vortaro". Me redonas (me donis ol en mea "longa" hispana/angla letro ed en privata letro en la hispana ad Hans) a la idisti mea (?)oferto: Me voluntas helpar vi, per traduki a la hispana linguo de interreta texti en la angla e de la ida lingui. Yes, me volas helpar, e me helpos. Me ankore havas forti. La esperantisti ne prenis omna. > Cetere, koncernante Desorden Publico, vu esis justa. Me mis-skribis ke la > muziko esis "metal" e "regea", ma segun la jurnalo efektive es "ska" e > "punk", muziko quan me tre prizas. Me ne savas la qualeso muzikala di ta > grupo, ma ante 20 yari (mama mea!, la tempo pasas tro rapide), me tre ofte > askoltis ska- e punk-muziko. Nun me es olda kerlo, me es 16 yari plu olda > kam vu, ma ankore tre prizas vizitar koncerti da pop-muzikisti. Quala > muzikon vu prizas? Kara Hans: Muziko esas mea vivo! On dicas ke Desorden P�blico (nun ol ne esas tre "punk") esas la tre importanta pop bando de Venezuela, e la plu internaciona. Forsan to esas vero. Ol sempre ganas en festivali od altra honoregi. Ma forsan "Los Amigos Invisibles" ("dance" bando, mi-"disco", qua la japanoni vere amas!) prenos tala loko balde. Regretinde, me ne prizas "Desorden P�blico" (e me desamas "Los Amigos Invisibles"). Esas "ska-punk" "El Agente Rudo", qua esas tre bona, tamen ol esas tre "forta" muzikale (Ka vu komprenas quo esas "rudo"?). La gitaristo esas tre bona amiko mea, de longa tempo. Me esas plu olda kam il! Me esas plu klasika en "rock"-muziko, e sam-tempe, plu "moderna". Me prizas Chuck Berry, "Beatles" e "The Who", ma me anke prizas "Chemical Brothers", "Prodigy", elektronika muziko, edc. Pri klasikala muziko, me esas mi-stranja "dilentanto" de moderna klasikala muziko: Mayuzumi, Karlheinz Stockhausen, Krzysztof Penderecki, Lutoslawski, Pierre Boulez, Pierre Henry, Schaeffer, edc. Me kelkafoye skribas (?)"seriala" muziko per algoritmi o per hazardala (?)operationi. Tro desfacila muziko (por la muzikisto e por la askoltanto). Dop kelka hori di laboro, on nur havas (?)ulaquanta sekundi di muziko en la papero od en la (?)komputilo. Tamen, me anke prizas (?)antiqua muziko, klasikala arabana muziko, estana muziko de (?)Persia, (?)India, (?)Turkia, edc. Primitivan (?)tamboran muzikon de Afriko o (?)Polinesia me prizegas. Kelkafoye me askoltas "bop" (?)jaz-muziko o simila forta (?)jazo (quale Charlie Mingus, John Coltrane), tamen me preferas Duke Ellington e Bud Powell. Me tote ne prizas karibea muziko quale Salsa, Merengue, edc. Talan muzikon, tamen, la venezuelani preferas nun. Kad esas idista muzikisti? ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 675 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 31375 invoked by uid 7770); 6 Jul 1999 19:18:09 -0000 Received: from qh.egroups.com (HELO qh.findmail.com) (10.1.2.28) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 6 Jul 1999 19:18:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 5417 invoked from network); 6 Jul 1999 19:18:10 -0000 Received: from spartacus.a2000.nl (HELO smtp2.a2000.nl) (62.108.1.20) by qh.egroups.com with SMTP; 6 Jul 1999 19:18:10 -0000 Received: from node118d7.a2000.nl ([24.132.24.215] helo=HansStuifbergen) by smtp2.a2000.nl with smtp (Exim 2.02 #4) id 111ajC-0005t1-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Tue, 6 Jul 1999 21:18:03 +0200 Message-ID: <002101bec7e5$58ccaf40$d7188418@HansStuifbergen.a2000.nl> From: "Ido-Info" To: "idolisto" Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 21:25:42 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Subject: [ido] =?iso-8859-1?Q?Martin_Lavall=E9e?= Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Qua savas la nov adreso di Martin Lavall�e? Saluti amikala, Hans St. ************************************************************* >Ido, linguo internaciona, absolute vizitez: http://members.tripod.com/~avancigado + nova + nova + nova + nova + nova + nova + nova LA HERISONI, rakonteto desegnita, da Rymke che: http://www.angelfire.com/id/Avance/TiaListo1.html ************************************************************* ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 676 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 7735 invoked by uid 7770); 6 Jul 1999 21:33:30 -0000 Received: from qg.egroups.com (HELO qg.findmail.com) (10.1.2.27) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 6 Jul 1999 21:33:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 1195 invoked from network); 6 Jul 1999 21:33:31 -0000 Received: from ah-img-2.compuserve.com (HELO hpamgaab.compuserve.com) (149.174.217.153) by qg.egroups.com with SMTP; 6 Jul 1999 21:33:31 -0000 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by hpamgaab.compuserve.com (8.8.8/8.8.8/HP-1.5) id RAA25768 for idolisto@egroups.com; Tue, 6 Jul 1999 17:33:29 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 17:29:46 -0400 From: "R.B. Carnaghan" <100024.1005@compuserve.com> Sender: "R.B. Carnaghan" <100024.1005@compuserve.com> To: Idolisto Message-ID: <199907061732_MC2-7BFC-E8D1@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Subject: [ido] *nosokomiala Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Pri la sugesto da Martignon por vorto "*nosokomiala" e forsan "*nosokomio": Segun angla dicionario, la origino dil angla vorto "nosocomial" esas, per la latina, la greka vorto "nosokomos" qua signifikas ta qua sorgas o flegas malado, de "nosos" (morbo) e "komein" (sorgar o flegar). Se ni adoptus *nosokomiala, ne esus necesa adoptar anke *nosokomio, nam ka ne existas kelka altra vorti en Ido qui finas per "al(a)" ma qui ne esas derivita per ta sufixo? Altra vorti, adminime angla / franca, kun la sama origino ye "nosos" esas "nosography / nosographie" (skribita klasifiko e deskripto di diversa morbi / klasifiko analitikala di morbi), "nosology / nosologie" (medicino di klasifiko di morbi / studio di karakteri distingiva di morbi por lia klasifiko), e "nosophobia / nosophobie" (teroro morbatra [o nenormala] pri maladeso). Robert Carnaghan. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 677 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 9835 invoked by uid 7770); 7 Jul 1999 02:48:03 -0000 Received: from qh.egroups.com (HELO qh.findmail.com) (10.1.2.28) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 7 Jul 1999 02:48:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 1469 invoked from network); 7 Jul 1999 02:48:02 -0000 Received: from mga2.primo.co.jp (210.145.40.130) by qh.egroups.com with SMTP; 7 Jul 1999 02:48:02 -0000 Received: from mga2.primo.co.jp (unverified [210.145.40.140]) by mga2.primo.co.jp (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Wed, 07 Jul 1999 11:51:12 +0900 Message-ID: From: "Bebson Y. TAKATA" To: "IDOLISTO" Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 11:33:40 +0900 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] !Caramba! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kara Sri Cibernauti:#1 Generalajo #2 Linguo #3 Politiko #4 Religio ============================================================================== Kara Sro Jacques BOL:#1,2 Me totkordie pregas rapida rekupero di vua spozino. ============================================================================== >Ni ne konfundez "reformo" ed "expresuri nova"; esas normala ke tala expresuri >od alternativa formi esez propozata, nam se ol esas uzata, linguo genitas >tala kreaji , aceptebla tam longe kam ol restas en la kontinueso e konservas >la principi originala di la linguo. Me sequabis lo dicita da vu, nam Ido esas la maxim kompletigita linguo inter numeroza lingui, quin me esforcadis lernar e faliis ma ve defktoze lernis. To es pro ke me nepolite dicis a Sro Jean MARTIGNON, ma me regretis dicir to: Chat e'chaude' craint l'eau froide. Ka me esis tro hucpoza*? (^_^;;;) ============================================================================== Kara Sro (Sioro ma ne Sinioro kompreninde) Daniel ALEGRETT:#2 Mea respondo ============================================================================== Ka mea "rocko [rotsko]" ne esas bona pronunco? Ma facile pronuncebla da me. Tamen Angla "rock" sonas a me e forsan anke por Dottore NARDINI quale [rokk]. Do me propozas rokko-muziko, o "wroko" o "woko". Ka vu anke propozos altri? E me rekomendas a vu bataliar 'kontre' anstat* 'kun' Esperantisti en futuro. Komprenende Ido vere esas la maxim Europala e facila linguo nur por Europani e me 90%-e konkordas kun mea Sro Hans STUIFBERGEN pri la vera skopo di Ido. Regretinde me supozas ke ilu ne vere konocas grandega krevisuri inter Europa ed altra civilizi, ti-quin onu ne facile transsaltas mem per vua Esperanto. Omnadie me esas Sapir e Whorf inter Hopi-indiani. Exter pri rara Japoni quala Prof. MORITA-Akira Sensei, qui irgamaniere transsaltabas la krevisuro, me nur savas ke la nivelo di Esperanto da 99% de la Japona Esperantisti esas to di "Bon jorno. Adube vu iras?" ma ne la nivelo qua koncernas filozofio. Tamen kande la Japoni uzas sua linguo, lia inteligenteso ya esas extreme alta. Lo vere signifikas ke Esperanto ne esas la vera ponto inter Japonia ed Europa. Dum recenta 10 yari Japonia havas un de la maxim granda nombri di Esperantisti en la mondo segun UEA: la fakto quan Sro Ken CAVINESS regretinde ne savas. Quanta ironio por ti-qui blinde kredas ke Esperanto esas por la tota mondo! Kande me esis Esperantisto dum 35 yari, me nur kredis ke Esperanto hazarde es la maxim facila linguo Europala. La situeso en Venezuela? !Caramba! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Adio! .....sincere via, B.Y.T. .....Idisto ed Idiotisto pro mea limitizita edukado ed anke Ido-Kavaliero kun abundanta hucpo* e numeroza erori ============================================================================== Pliz* indikez mea erori pri vorti, gramatiko, dicmaniero ec., nam me esas nura ne-edukito e devas lernar dum ke me vivas. Me sempre esperas, samideani, via amikeso por EXTRA prenar peno de via parto por instruktar me, qua durstas ye savo ulaspecala. Tamen en rara kazo kande me savas plu bone kam vi, me volunte transdonos mea humila savo a vi segun via bezoni. ============================================================================== ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 678 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 14465 invoked by uid 7770); 7 Jul 1999 05:10:10 -0000 Received: from qh.egroups.com (HELO qh.findmail.com) (10.1.2.28) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 7 Jul 1999 05:10:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 30134 invoked from network); 7 Jul 1999 05:10:10 -0000 Received: from mga2.primo.co.jp (210.145.40.130) by qh.egroups.com with SMTP; 7 Jul 1999 05:10:10 -0000 Received: from mga2.primo.co.jp (unverified [210.145.40.140]) by mga2.primo.co.jp (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Wed, 07 Jul 1999 14:13:21 +0900 Message-ID: From: "Bebson Y. TAKATA" To: "IDOLISTO" Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 14:00:38 +0900 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] mea erori Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kara Sri Cibernauti:#1 Generalajo #2 Linguo #3 Politiko #4 Religio ============================================================================== Kara Sri Cibernauti:#2 Lernanti povez lernar kelko de mea numeroza erori! ============================================================================== Me sequabis lo dicita da vu, nam Ido esas la maxim kompletigita linguo inter numeroza lingui, quin me esforcadis lernar e faliis ma ve defEktoze lernis. ToN es pro ke me nepolite dicis a Sro Jean MARTIGNON, ma me regretis dicir co: Chat e'chaude' craint l'eau froide. Ka me esis tro hucpoza*? (^_^;;;) Me devis uzar toN, nam a to (lo dicita da Sro Jacques BOL) apartenas mea kauzo ke me nepolite dicis a Sro Jean MARTIGNON, ma me regretis dicir co: Chat e'chaude' craint l'eau froide. Ka me esis tro hucpoza*? (^_^;;;) Mea kauzo ke me dicis tale, apartenas a to (lo dicita da Sro Jacques BOL). Mea kauzo ke me dicis tale, esas (apartenas a) to. Ton esas mea kauzo ke me dicis tale. Ton esas (mea kauzo=) pro ke me dicis tale. Ton esas pro ke me dicis tale. Ka vi komprenas? No, adminime me ne komprenis. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Adio! .....sincere via, B.Y.T. .....Idisto ed Idiotisto pro mea limitizita edukado ed anke Ido-Kavaliero kun abundanta hucpo* e numeroza erori ============================================================================== Pliz* indikez mea erori pri vorti, gramatiko, dicmaniero ec., nam me esas nura ne-edukito e devas lernar dum ke me vivas. Me sempre esperas, samideani, via amikeso por EXTRA prenar peno de via parto por instruktar me, qua durstas ye savo ulaspecala. Tamen en rara kazo kande me savas plu bone kam vi, me volunte transdonos mea humila savo a vi segun via bezoni. ============================================================================== ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 679 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 4840 invoked by uid 7770); 7 Jul 1999 08:39:43 -0000 Received: from qg.egroups.com (HELO qg.findmail.com) (10.1.2.27) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 7 Jul 1999 08:39:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 31348 invoked from network); 7 Jul 1999 08:39:43 -0000 Received: from mout00.kundenserver.de (195.20.224.69) by qg.egroups.com with SMTP; 7 Jul 1999 08:39:43 -0000 Received: from [195.20.224.67] (helo=mx00.kundenserver.de) by mout00.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 111nF0-0001hU-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Wed, 7 Jul 1999 10:39:42 +0200 Received: from [212.81.175.30] (helo=www) by mx00.kundenserver.de with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 111nEk-00020F-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Wed, 7 Jul 1999 10:39:26 +0200 Message-ID: <001e01bec854$1b57cea0$1eaf51d4@fen.baynet.de> From: "Frank Kasper" To: "Idolisto (Mesaji)" Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 10:36:07 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Subject: [ido] Re: Japona kalendario Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0019_01BEC864.85C33440" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01BEC864.85C333440 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" content-transfer-encoding: 7bit content-type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Kara amiki Akiro Morita e Bebson Y.Takata! Nome da sioro Alfred Neussner me kordialege dankas a vi amba pro via rapida e detaloza respondo relate la Japona kalendario. Esus grandega suceso por nia movado, se anke altri, qui recevas inquesti d'Ido-amiki anke respondus ol vice silencar. Kordiala saluti sendas Frank Kasper frank.kasper@idolinguo.de ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01BEC864.85C333440-- From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 680 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 2041 invoked by uid 7770); 7 Jul 1999 09:41:27 -0000 Received: from qh.egroups.com (HELO qh.findmail.com) (10.1.2.28) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 7 Jul 1999 09:41:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 6998 invoked from network); 7 Jul 1999 09:41:26 -0000 Received: from mout00.kundenserver.de (195.20.224.69) by qh.egroups.com with SMTP; 7 Jul 1999 09:41:26 -0000 Received: from [195.20.224.67] (helo=mx00.kundenserver.de) by mout00.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 111oCi-0007cg-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Wed, 7 Jul 1999 11:41:24 +0200 Received: from [212.122.135.6] (helo=www) by mx00.kundenserver.de with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 111oB7-0004Uw-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Wed, 7 Jul 1999 11:39:45 +0200 Message-ID: <009101bec85c$885b8c00$1eaf51d4@fen.baynet.de> From: "Frank Kasper" To: References: <002101bec7e5$58ccaf40$d7188418@HansStuifbergen.a2000.nl> Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 11:28:02 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Subject: [ido] =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_=5Bido=5D_Martin_Lavall=E9e?= Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Kar amiko Hans! Me volas sendar a tu l'adreso da Marteno Lavalea, quon lu sendis per mesajo ad Idolisto ye la 16ma di junio.: Marteno Lavalea 216 rue Sainte-Catherine Est Appartement 2 Montr�al QC H2X 1L1 Kordiala saluti! Frank frank.kasper@idolinguo.de ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 681 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 4185 invoked by uid 7770); 7 Jul 1999 09:45:41 -0000 Received: from qg.egroups.com (HELO qg.findmail.com) (10.1.2.27) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 7 Jul 1999 09:45:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 7963 invoked from network); 7 Jul 1999 09:45:41 -0000 Received: from mout00.kundenserver.de (195.20.224.69) by qg.egroups.com with SMTP; 7 Jul 1999 09:45:41 -0000 Received: from [195.20.224.67] (helo=mx00.kundenserver.de) by mout00.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 111oGp-000834-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Wed, 7 Jul 1999 11:45:39 +0200 Received: from [212.122.135.6] (helo=www) by mx00.kundenserver.de with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 111oB1-0004Uw-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Wed, 7 Jul 1999 11:39:39 +0200 Message-ID: <008f01bec85c$84e37c40$1eaf51d4@fen.baynet.de> From: "Frank Kasper" To: References: <011801bec7c0$c4c5d3e0$d7188418@HansStuifbergen.a2000.nl> Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 10:45:11 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Subject: [ido] Re: libri Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kara amiki, kar amiko Daniel! Me volas memorigar vi, ke on trovas la librolisto dil Germana Ido-Societo sur l'Interreto sub la sequanta adreso: http://www.online.de/home/Ido-Germania/lit.htm Kordiala saluti sendas Frank Kasper frank.kasper@idolinguo.de ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 682 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 14553 invoked by uid 7770); 7 Jul 1999 11:11:30 -0000 Received: from qh.egroups.com (HELO qh.findmail.com) (10.1.2.28) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 7 Jul 1999 11:11:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 20003 invoked from network); 7 Jul 1999 11:11:29 -0000 Received: from rs3s4.datacenter.cha.cantv.net (200.44.32.53) by qh.egroups.com with SMTP; 7 Jul 1999 11:11:29 -0000 Received: from LALEGReTT (tc4r10-037.ras.cha.cantv.net [200.44.10.228]) by rs3s4.datacenter.cha.cantv.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1/1.0) with SMTP id HAA13082 for ; Wed, 7 Jul 1999 07:11:26 -0400 (VET) Message-ID: <37833395.1885@cantv.net> Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 07:01:43 -0400 From: Luis Alberto Alegrett Organization: Asesor�a Fiduciaria Integral X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: idolisto@egroups.com References: Subject: [ido] Re: !Caramba! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Bebson Y. TAKATA wrote: > Ka mea "rocko [rotsko]" ne esas bona pronunco? Ma facile pronuncebla da me. > Tamen Angla "rock" sonas a me e forsan anke por Dottore NARDINI quale [rokk]. > Do me propozas rokko-muziko Rokko-muzikon vu havos de me! Me anke pensis en "rokk-o". (Tamen, woko od wroko... <:-( ...ka japonaji? Me askoltas kelkafoye japonana *rokko, ma me ne komprenas la linguo e me nulatempe askoltis pri "woko" e "wroko"). Me "esos", do, *rokkisto! Pri la linguala afero, vua opinioni esas tre proxim a mea opinioni pri linguala kulturo. Tamen, me esas plu radikala... sempre. Me esas (?)ikonoklasta, agnostika e skeptika, pro mea pripatri, qui sempre batalis kontre impozi da kulturala e politikala monstri (tamen, li sempre perdis: la monstri esis ed esas tro granda). Esperantisti sempre oblivias (ka me uzis ol bone nun? :) ) la kulturala parto kande li volas impozar lia linguo quale la unika duesma linguo internaciona. Ka "Manifesto de Praga" e "Homaj Rajtoj"? Fi! Lia linguo ne esas neutrala e ne respektas altra kulturi, e ne esas tale facila quale li dicas por qui parolas europana lingui: Pos plu ol un yaro, la lernanti de la kurso quan komencis la 3esma di (?)marto di 1998 en Karakas, ankore nur savas dicar: "Jes, kara instruiso, ni lernas la lingvo internacia kreita de Zamenhof", quale salmo en nia katolika (?)pregeyi (forsan li propagandos quale "zombies" tale, sen diskutar la linguala e kulturala qualiteso). Tamen, se "Esperantujo" havez deserti, li mortos nam li ne savas quale pregar Coca Cola! Li sempre oblivias ke Esperanto esas la linguo internaciona PROPOZITA DA Zamenhof, ne la linguo internaciona IMPOZITA DA Zamenhof. Li sempre forgesas ke on mustas lernar plu facila, bona e internaciona linguo se tala lingui existas (e por me, Ido bone esas to), tale la "Volap�kisti" lernis plu bona linguo quale esis Esperanto dum ta epoko. "Ne! La Fundamento estas sakra kaj Esperanto estas la vera lingvo internacia por la tota homaro, gxi estas bona por "eskimoj" kaj por "maorioj", kaj por mi kaj por vi", e se on ne pensas to, on esas "malamiko de Esperanto" e la ataki e moki komencas. Me ya vidis en la "Esperantorus" grupo che eGroups, la diskuti pri nia amiko Thom W. Tamen, me pensas e dicas quale Thom: Esperanto vere esas nun lingvo nur por "malpaco" e "malamikeco". Des-Esperanto. Do, Ido mustas ne havar la sama voyo quale Esperanto. Ido mustas konar sua limiti e sua posibla atingi. Do ol, quale Esperanto mustez, mustas ne impozar limitata linguo (quale linguo e quale kulturala agento), nam universala lingui ne existas. Forsan pos altra mil yari. Me havas espero en la homaro, ma me ne havas espero en Esperanto. La insultin da venezuelana esperantisti a me, plumaligas. Mea yuna kapo nun havas blanka hari, quin me ne havis avan un monato. Tale li dankas mea laboro por Esperanto (ret-pagino, reta posta grupo, nova esperantisti, tradukuri, edc.) Kara Linguo Ido, me pregas tu esez bona a la idisti! ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 683 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@eGroups.com Received: (qmail 2099 invoked by uid 7770); 7 Jul 1999 15:46:11 -0000 Received: from qh.egroups.com (HELO qh.findmail.com) (10.1.2.28) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 7 Jul 1999 15:46:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 16486 invoked from network); 7 Jul 1999 15:46:12 -0000 Received: from mu.egroups.com (207.138.41.151) by qh.egroups.com with SMTP; 7 Jul 1999 15:46:12 -0000 Received: from [10.1.2.24] by mu.egroups.com with NNFMP; 07 Jul 1999 16:46:12 -0000 Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 08:46:03 -0700 From: idolinguo@geocities.com To: idolisto@eGroups.com Message-ID: <7lvsnr$d9f1@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <002101bec7e5$58ccaf40$d7188418@HansStuifbergen.a2000.nl> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.73 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: www.eGroups.com Message Poster Subject: [ido] =?iso-8859-1?q?Martin_Lavall=E9e?= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hans St. pregis mea nov adreso. Ol es Martin Lavall=E9e 216 Sainte-Cather= ine Est Appartement 2 Montr=E9al QC H3X 1L1 Vu sendubite remarkis mea rela= tiva absenteso dil idolingua forumo. Me probas mantenar mea diverstema TTT-= eyi e me vizitas amiki en vilaji kebekiana. Me recente recevis Progreso nu= mero 316. La maxim bona artiklo es ta da sioro Gon=E7alo Neves pri Malta. L= a propozin lingual (chermo, marisko) me tote aprobas. La belega tradukuro= n Inspireso mistika me multe prizas. Anke la artiklon da sioro James Chand= ler me prizis. Lu genie montras la komuna punti inter Ido, Occidental, Inte= rlingua e Novial. Evitante troa ligiteso al formo di Ido, lu indikas kelka = posibla voyi por faciligar la reformo di Esperanto. Konocante tro bone la l= igiteso di certena Esperantisti al (exemple) literi zamenhofa e mem al plur= alo per -j, me esperas ke on pardonos mea skeptikeso. Lu tre juste asertas= : Certe pri ca reformi, nula esencal kompromiso esus posibla (tre sagaca li= sto di ok reformi kontenita en Ido sequas). Ica listo helpegos me en futura= letri al interesati pri la linguo internaciona dil Delegitaro. Maxim amik= e vin salutas Martin ---------------------------------------------------= --------------------- eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idoli= sto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 684 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@eGroups.com Received: (qmail 22024 invoked by uid 7770); 7 Jul 1999 16:05:12 -0000 Received: from qh.egroups.com (HELO qh.findmail.com) (10.1.2.28) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 7 Jul 1999 16:05:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 22049 invoked from network); 7 Jul 1999 16:05:11 -0000 Received: from mu.egroups.com (207.138.41.151) by qh.egroups.com with SMTP; 7 Jul 1999 16:05:11 -0000 Received: from [10.1.2.24] by mu.egroups.com with NNFMP; 07 Jul 1999 17:05:11 -0000 Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 09:05:07 -0700 From: idolinguo@geocities.com To: idolisto@eGroups.com Message-ID: <7lvtrj$tcph@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <5856-377BA851-2835@postoffice-292.iap.bryant.webtv.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.73 X-Mailer: www.eGroups.com Message Poster Subject: [ido] Me tre dankas Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kar amiki, Me vizitis la tre bela pagini da sioro Wilkerson http://community-1.web tv.net/thomw/IDOLaInternacionala/index.html e http://www.cix.co.uk/~mor ven/esp.html qui kontenas tre interesiv informi pri la lingual problemo. Lua grava laboron me gratulas. Pri Bouncing (responde ad sioro Stuifbergen), me ne havas irga problemo. Martin ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 685 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@eGroups.com Received: (qmail 25721 invoked by uid 7770); 7 Jul 1999 16:09:17 -0000 Received: from qg.egroups.com (HELO qg.findmail.com) (10.1.2.27) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 7 Jul 1999 16:09:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 25881 invoked from network); 7 Jul 1999 16:09:17 -0000 Received: from mu.egroups.com (207.138.41.151) by qg.egroups.com with SMTP; 7 Jul 1999 16:09:17 -0000 Received: from [10.1.2.24] by mu.egroups.com with NNFMP; 07 Jul 1999 17:09:17 -0000 Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 09:09:15 -0700 From: idolinguo@geocities.com To: idolisto@eGroups.com Message-ID: <7lvu3b$fa9i@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <199907011927.VAA14158@gmailint1.globalmail.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.73 X-Mailer: www.eGroups.com Message Poster Subject: [ido] Jean MARTIGNON Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ka la adreso di Jean Martignon martignonjean@lemel.fr remplasis ta di minitel. Ka lua minitel adreso duras funcionar? Martin ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 686 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 28612 invoked by uid 7770); 7 Jul 1999 16:12:27 -0000 Received: from qg.egroups.com (HELO qg.findmail.com) (10.1.2.27) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 7 Jul 1999 16:12:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 26715 invoked from network); 7 Jul 1999 16:12:21 -0000 Received: from lince.lander.es (195.76.46.35) by qg.egroups.com with SMTP; 7 Jul 1999 16:12:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 4550 invoked from network); 7 Jul 1999 16:12:05 -0000 Received: from ppp-48-19.lander.es (HELO ppp-48-179.lander.es) (195.76.48.19) by lince.lander.es with SMTP; 7 Jul 1999 16:12:05 -0000 X-Sender: joser@lince.lander.es X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 To: idolisto@egroups.com From: "j.m.rodriguez" Subject: [ido] Idisti Hispanlinguala Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MARCOS skribis: In-Reply-To: <009101bec85c$885b8c00$1eaf51d4@fen.baynet.de> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.73 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: www.eGroups.com Message Poster Subject: [ido] =?iso-8859-1?q?Martin_Lavall=E9e?= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Kar amiki, Danko a sioro Kasper skribir mea adreso. Martin Lavall=E9e 216= rue Sainte-Catherine Est Appartement 2 Montr=E9al QC H2X 1L1 Mea amiko Fr= ank Kasper juste skribis mea propra adreso. Erore me skribis H3X vice la ju= sta H2X. Me jus joye konstatis ke sioro Neves esas nun landal reprezentero= di ULI EN PORTUGAL. Me ja vidis ke lu multege laboris por la linguo intern= aciona dil Delegitaro kreante bonega materialo por portugallinguani interre= te e broshure. En omna movado existas tri specii di adheranto La unesma d= icas: Quon vu povas facar por me? La duesma dicas: Me povas helpar la mova= do ma erste pos du o tri semani inter la 14esma e 16esma hori. La triesma = dicas: Quale me povas servar la movado? Sioro Neves, la altra landal repre= zenteri e omna helpanti dil linguo internaciona esas en ica lasta kategorio= . Amike vin salutas Martin --------------------------------------------= ---------------------------- eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/grou= p/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 688 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 8223 invoked by uid 7770); 7 Jul 1999 16:59:34 -0000 Received: from qh.egroups.com (HELO qh.findmail.com) (10.1.2.28) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 7 Jul 1999 16:59:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 4277 invoked from network); 7 Jul 1999 16:59:34 -0000 Received: from rs5s2.datacenter.cha.cantv.net (200.44.32.55) by qh.egroups.com with SMTP; 7 Jul 1999 16:59:34 -0000 Received: from LALEGReTT (tc2r7-038.ras.cha.cantv.net [200.44.11.229]) by rs5s2.datacenter.cha.cantv.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1/1.0) with SMTP id MAA19461 for ; Wed, 7 Jul 1999 12:59:30 -0400 (VET) Message-ID: <37838572.4D35@cantv.net> Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 12:50:58 -0400 From: Luis Alberto Alegrett Organization: Asesor�a Fiduciaria Integral X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: idolisto@egroups.com References: <199907071615.MAA23123@rs2s3.datacenter.cha.cantv.net> Subject: [ido] Re: Idisti Hispanlinguala Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Kara Jos� Mar�a: Se existas Ido kurso per posto por hispanlinguani, ka ni povus uzar ol por ret-posta kurso? Me pensas ke ta ideo esus tre bona por Ido. La esperantisti havas (?)multa kursi per ret-posto, ed esas du por hispanlinguani, un de Chile e la altra de Hispania. Me lernis Esperanto per la unesma avan du monati. Ni nur bezonus ke hispanlinguala idisti esus la (?)korektanti di la lernanti. Se vi aceptus la ideo, me povus (?)krear ret-pagini qui havus la texti en *.html, e anke skribar la paperala texti en (?)komputil-arkivi *.txt por sendar li a la lernanti per ret-posto. Me konstruktis ret-loko por la venezuelana esperantisti: http://members.tripod.com/~VenezueloEnLaReto/index.html, e ni volis havar texti, tradukuri, informi, edc. Tamen, la esperantisti ne esis bona kun me, e nun ta ret-loko forsan mortos sen me. La normala posto esas tre desrapida. Ni uzez la *risursi de la interreto! j.m.rodriguez wrote: > > MARCOS skribis: > > > Memorez omna idisti hispanlinguala, ke me es pronta ad sendar gratuite > fotokopiuri dil Curso por Correspondencia de la Lengua Auxiliar IDO editata > da la Sociedad Idista Espa�ola. Vu mustas nur sendar a me Vua adreso. > Amiko Daniel ALEGRETT me sendos ta kurso ad adreso quan Vu dicis a me tam > balde kam posible. > > Recevez kordiala saluti de Hispania. > Jose Maria Rodriguez Hernandez > joser@lander.es > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > FreeShop is the #1 place for free and trial offers and great deals! > Try something new and find out how you could win two round-trip tickets > anywhere in the U.S.! http://clickhere.egroups.com/click/368 > > eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto > http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 689 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@eGroups.com Received: (qmail 228 invoked by uid 7770); 7 Jul 1999 18:09:16 -0000 Received: from qh.egroups.com (HELO qh.findmail.com) (10.1.2.28) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 7 Jul 1999 18:09:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 20587 invoked from network); 7 Jul 1999 18:09:17 -0000 Received: from mu.egroups.com (207.138.41.151) by qh.egroups.com with SMTP; 7 Jul 1999 18:09:17 -0000 Received: from [10.1.2.24] by mu.egroups.com with NNFMP; 07 Jul 1999 19:09:17 -0000 Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 11:09:11 -0700 From: idolinguo@geocities.com To: idolisto@eGroups.com Message-ID: <7m0547$f5l5@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <199907061155.HAA19018@rs3s4.datacenter.cha.cantv.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.73 X-Mailer: www.eGroups.com Message Poster Subject: [ido] Me bezonas respondo Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Me lektis en la originala artiklo en http://www.egroups.com/group/idoli sto/?start=669 > Kara listani > - Kad Idisti deziras ke la westala ed europana linguo internaciona Ido > esez la (?)nura (?)helpa linguo por la tota homaro?, o Certe sat multa homi dezirus havar un sola helpa linguo por la tota homaro. > - Kad Idisti agnoskas la europeso di Ido, e nur propozas ol quale > internaciona linguo por qui parolas europana lingui? Kelka idisti probable opinionas tale. > Me pensas ke Ido tote plubonigis Esperanto. Ton me anke kredas. > Me dicis to ad esperantisti, e la Venezuela Esperanto-Asocio oficale > deklaris "milito" kontre me. Me prizus savar ka la la Venezuela Esperanto-Asocio ekpulsos vu e mem kurajos asertar ke laboro por Ido esas laboro kontre Esperanto. > Do, me bezonas respondo da Idisti pri la afero: Kad Idisti propozas Ido > quale universala linguo (por la mondo) o quale europana linguo > internaciona (por Amerika, Europa, e lia amiki [komercale, kulturale, > (?)politikale, edc])? Me opinionas ke ico esas tote personala opiniono e ne omna idisti havas la sama opiniono pri ica temo: li tamen konsentas pri la boneso di lia linguo. Me vere esperas ke la Venezuela Esperanto-Asocio skribos ulo pri Ido e klarigos la racioni di olua milito kontre la linguo internaciona dil Delegitaro. Maxim amike vin salutas Martin ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 690 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-Idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 3788 invoked by uid 7770); 7 Jul 1999 18:56:07 -0000 Received: from qh.egroups.com (HELO qh.findmail.com) (10.1.2.28) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 7 Jul 1999 18:56:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 30914 invoked from network); 7 Jul 1999 18:56:07 -0000 Received: from mailsorter-105-2.iap.bryant.webtv.net (209.240.198.118) by qh.egroups.com with SMTP; 7 Jul 1999 18:56:07 -0000 Received: from postoffice-293.iap.bryant.webtv.net (postoffice-293.iap.bryant.webtv.net [209.240.198.32]) by mailsorter-105-2.iap.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.8/ms.gso.08Dec97) with ESMTP id LAA13490; Wed, 7 Jul 1999 11:56:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from production@localhost) by postoffice-293.iap.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.8/po.gso.24Feb98) id LAA12592; Wed, 7 Jul 1999 11:56:07 -0700 (PDT) X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhQHv4UJBqVT4GXlLsXLkeiKIOcnjwIVAJQXA9n2zCdBJYV5UsB0uhjXWTOU From: thomw@webtv.net (Thom) Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 11:56:06 -0700 (PDT) To: Idolisto@egroups.com Message-ID: <6545-3783A2C6-1546@postoffice-293.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Content-Disposition: Inline X-WebTV-Stationery: Standard; TextColor=white MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Subject: [ido] Me tre dankas a omni Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=WebTV-Mail-5594-841 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --WebTV-Mail-5594-841 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" content-transfer-encoding: 7Bit content-type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Kara omna Idisti-- Me lektabas vua tre kordiala rimarki pri mea lukto kun/kontre la esperantisti che soc.culture.esperanto e altra forumi. Me jam ne deziras konoeskcar kam esperantisto. La vera retadreso di mea ttt-pagino esas : http://community-1.webtv.net/thomw/ThomsPage/ Me esperas ke omni idisti vizitus ol. Pri e-Groups -- [me regretas sed me devas/mustas skribar angle pro mea Ido ne esas sat bona] Some time ago, there was a discussion in Ido-listo about a possible move of this forum to soc.culture.Ido or another such alt.discuss hierarchy. My server [WebTV] uses TalkCity, which I find very convenient to use alt.discuss.-- or soc.culture.-- Is there any progress on this front? Unfortunately, e-Groups and WebTV are not completely compatible. for example-- when one c/c/p [cuts/copies/&pastes] from another's letter, the resulting quote is [sometimes] displayed as black text on a deep-blue background -- thus making it all but impossible for me to read. I find this true for auxlang as well [also viae-Groups]. Are there any other servers/foums besides e-Groups where Ido-listo and auxlang appear? Amikale Thom Wilkerson ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications --WebTV-Mail-5594-841-- From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 691 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 5311 invoked by uid 7770); 8 Jul 1999 06:33:26 -0000 Received: from qh.egroups.com (HELO qh.findmail.com) (10.1.2.28) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 8 Jul 1999 06:33:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 13177 invoked from network); 8 Jul 1999 06:33:18 -0000 Received: from mga2.primo.co.jp (210.145.40.130) by qh.egroups.com with SMTP; 8 Jul 1999 06:33:18 -0000 Received: from mga2.primo.co.jp (unverified [210.145.40.140]) by mga2.primo.co.jp (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Thu, 08 Jul 1999 15:35:55 +0900 Message-ID: From: "Bebson Y. TAKATA" To: "IDOLISTO" Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 15:21:59 +0900 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] Pri Angla r-sono. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kara Sri Cibernauti:#1 Generalajo #2 Linguo #3 Politiko #4 Religio ============================================================================== Kara Sro Daniel ALEGRETT:#2 R-sono ============================================================================== Angla r-sono es specala sono, dum ke r-sono en la kontinento es tre ordinara. Kande onu pronuncas r, on mustas vibrigar la pinto di sua lango quale vu e me, o vibrigar la muro di guturo quale Sro MARTIGNON ma ne la Angle-parolanti. Ma Angla r-sono multatempe startas per febla w-sono quale w..right. ?? \(^_^)/ Ica w-sono haltigas la vibrado e facas Angla r-sono kom tre diferanta avan ni. E l-sono quala en la Polona ofte divenas w-sono, do tra ica w-sono, amba l- e r-soni proximeskas ed interchanjas quale en 'blanca' e 'branca' trovita en la Hispana e la Portugala. blanca -> bwanca -> branca "Am I wright?" (^_^) ============================================================================== Kara Sro Jose' Mari'a RODRI'GUEZ HERNAN'DEZ:#1 Voluntez montrigar vua texti. ============================================================================== Anke me dezirus lektar vua kurso en la Hispana, nam me nun esas facanta kurso por la Angle-parolanti. Lasez pliz* Sro Daniel ALEGRETT preparar la kurso anstat* vu en la InterReto por ke omnu povez vizitar e facile lernar Ido. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Adio! .....sincere via, B.Y.T. .....Idisto ed Idiotisto pro mea limitizita edukado ed anke Ido-Kavaliero kun abundanta hucpo* e numeroza erori ============================================================================== Pliz* indikez mea erori pri vorti, gramatiko, dicmaniero ec., nam me esas nura ne-edukito e devas lernar dum ke me vivas. Me sempre esperas, samideani, via amikeso por EXTRA prenar peno de via parto por instruktar me, qua durstas ye savo ulaspecala. "Do me PREGAS IDOLani donacar via amikeso, pri qua me volas QUESTIONAR vi ed anke quan me kordiale DEMANDAS de vi." Tamen en rara kazo kande me savas plu bone kam vi, me volunte transdonos mea humila savo a vi segun via bezoni. ============================================================================== ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 692 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 30056 invoked by uid 7770); 8 Jul 1999 07:17:41 -0000 Received: from qg.egroups.com (HELO qg.findmail.com) (10.1.2.27) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 8 Jul 1999 07:17:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 32173 invoked from network); 8 Jul 1999 07:17:41 -0000 Received: from rs4s1.datacenter.cha.cantv.net (200.44.32.54) by qg.egroups.com with SMTP; 8 Jul 1999 07:17:41 -0000 Received: from LALEGReTT (tc4r10-055.ras.cha.cantv.net [200.44.10.246]) by rs4s1.datacenter.cha.cantv.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1/1.0) with SMTP id DAA27694 for ; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 03:17:38 -0400 (VET) Message-ID: <37844EDD.6211@cantv.net> Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 03:10:21 -0400 From: Luis Alberto Alegrett Organization: Asesor?a Fiduciaria Integral X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: idolisto@egroups.com References: Subject: [ido] Re: Pri Angla r-sono. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Bebson Y. TAKATA wrote: > Angla r-sono es specala sono, dum ke r-sono en la kontinento es tre ordinara. > Kande onu pronuncas r, on mustas vibrigar la pinto di sua lango quale vu e me, > o vibrigar la muro di guturo quale Sro MARTIGNON ma ne la Angle-parolanti. > Ma Angla r-sono multatempe startas per febla w-sono quale w..right. ?? \(^_^)/ > Ica w-sono haltigas la vibrado e facas Angla r-sono kom tre diferanta avan ni. > E l-sono quala en la Polona ofte divenas w-sono, do tra ica w-sono, amba l- e > r-soni proximeskas ed interchanjas quale en 'blanca' e 'branca' trovita en > la Hispana e la Portugala. blanca -> bwanca -> branca "Am I wright?" (^_^) Ja me komprenis quo vu dicis. "OK". Tamen, la pronunco "rok-k-" esas plu internaciona e facila por la cetera homi, e la uzo di ol me prizus. Kande karibeani lektas "wroko", karibeani pensas "broko". E la polani lektas "vroko"! (Ka vu savas pro quo Zamenhof preferis "kurba" anstate "kurva"?). ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 693 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 22345 invoked by uid 7770); 8 Jul 1999 09:14:44 -0000 Received: from qh.egroups.com (HELO qh.findmail.com) (10.1.2.28) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 8 Jul 1999 09:14:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 4962 invoked from network); 8 Jul 1999 09:14:43 -0000 Received: from mout00.kundenserver.de (195.20.224.69) by qh.egroups.com with SMTP; 8 Jul 1999 09:14:43 -0000 Received: from [195.20.224.67] (helo=mx00.kundenserver.de) by mout00.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 112AGQ-0005Eh-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 11:14:42 +0200 Received: from [212.81.174.108] (helo=www) by mx00.kundenserver.de with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 112AGG-0006Nj-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 11:14:33 +0200 Message-ID: <000f01bec922$2c68f6a0$6cae51d4@fen.baynet.de> From: "Frank Kasper" To: References: <199907061155.HAA19018@rs3s4.datacenter.cha.cantv.net> Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 11:04:19 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Subject: [ido] Re: Questioni da sioro Daniel Alegrett Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kara amiki! Me pensas, ke on sive por Europa sive por la tota mondo devus aceptar komuna linguo por omni kam duesma linguo por l'interkomprenado e l'interrelati inter la diversa populi. Ca linguo devez esar neutra (ne hemlinguo de ula lando) e facile lernebla por omni od adminime por la majoritato dil homaro. Segun mea opiniono prezente existas adminime du apta projeti, Ido ed Esperanto. En la Europana Uniono la Germaniani protestas, ke on vice la Germana depos komenco di julio nun aceptas la Finlanda linguo kam laborema linguo krome la Franca, Angla e Hispana lingui, ma nulu ibe propozas aceptar neutra linguo por diminutigar la necesa tradukad-laboro sen explotar ula membrolando e samtempe detrimentar l'altri. Segun mea opiniono on ne simple povas dicar: "Ido esas la maxim facile lernebla linguo" od "Esperanto esas la maxim facile lernebla linguo". Me pensas, ke Ido por la majoritato da West-Europani esas la plu facila linguo vice Esperanto, ma por Est-Europani precipue por Slavi ed anke por Chiniano Esperanto esas plu facile lernebla ed uzebla vice Ido. Kordiala saluti! Frank Kasper frank.kasper@idolinguo.de ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 694 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@eGroups.com Received: (qmail 31181 invoked by uid 7770); 7 Jul 1999 18:49:19 -0000 Received: from qh.egroups.com (HELO qh.findmail.com) (10.1.2.28) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 7 Jul 1999 18:49:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 29478 invoked from network); 7 Jul 1999 18:49:19 -0000 Received: from mu.egroups.com (207.138.41.151) by qh.egroups.com with SMTP; 7 Jul 1999 18:49:19 -0000 Received: from [10.1.2.6] by mu.egroups.com with NNFMP; 07 Jul 1999 19:49:19 -0000 Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 11:49:15 -0700 From: twood@callnetuk.com To: idolisto@eGroups.com Message-ID: <7m07fb$rn3n@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.73 X-Mailer: www.eGroups.com Message Poster Subject: [ido] Ido Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kar amiki, Esperanto es "netushebla" ma, semblas a me, ke Ido anke ne chanjas. Me kredas ke historio pruvabas ke chanjo en Ido es necesa por futura suceso. L'inter-reto donas marveloza oportuneso. Esperoze uzo produktos plu liberal Ido . Amikala saluti, Tom Wood ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 695 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 14116 invoked by uid 7770); 8 Jul 1999 11:18:22 -0000 Received: from qg.egroups.com (HELO qg.findmail.com) (10.1.2.27) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 8 Jul 1999 11:18:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 1236 invoked from network); 8 Jul 1999 11:18:06 -0000 Received: from mga2.primo.co.jp (210.145.40.130) by qg.egroups.com with SMTP; 8 Jul 1999 11:18:06 -0000 Received: from mga2.primo.co.jp (unverified [210.145.40.141]) by mga2.primo.co.jp (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Thu, 08 Jul 1999 20:20:02 +0900 Message-ID: From: "Bebson Y. TAKATA" To: "IDOLISTO" Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 20:06:27 +0900 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] Ma me esas notoracha jokero! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kara Sri Cibernauti:#1 Generalajo #2 Linguo #3 Politiko #4 Religio ============================================================================== Kara Sro Daniel ALEGRETT:#2 Komprenende me jokis pri wroko e woko. (^_^;;;;) ============================================================================== >Ja me komprenis to quon vu dicis. "O.K.". -> Bone. -> Okide*. >Tamen, la pronunco "rokk-" esas plu internaciona e facila por la cetera homi, > e la uzon di ol me prizus. Kande Karibeani lektas "wroko", vua "vortacho" > certe pensigas "broko" da li. E la poloni lektas la vorto kom "vroko"! >(Ka vu savas pro quo Zamenhof preferis "kurba" anstat* "kurva"?). -> Ho, No! Latina - curvus Franca - courbe Itala, Hispana, Portugala - curvo Germana - die Kurbel (manivelo) Angla - curved Rusa - krivoy Tamen voluntez obliviar vua Esperanto, Ido es multe plu bona kam Esperanto. ============================================================================== Kara Sro Frank KASPER:#2 'Kom' samideano me devus avertar vu pri vua 'kam'! ============================================================================== Kande Sro Jacques BOL ja avizis en sua lasta letro kontre nia mala uzo di Ido, anke vua 'kam' kom vua Germanajo inkluzesis, ka ne? >la tota mondo devus aceptar komuna linguo por omni KOM [ne kam] duesma linguo >..nun aceptas la Finlanda linguo KOM [ne kam] laborema linguo ultre [ne krom] > la Franca, Angla e Hispana lingui,.... Me desfelice koaktesas skribar ico, quale se me esus altra Sro Jean MARTIGNON, nam anke vu devus montrar valoroza modelo avan omna komencanti e lernanti. Vua 'kam' (mehr 'als') kom (in seiner Eigenschaft 'als', wie) vua Germanajo es mala exemplo por ti-qui serioze lernas Ido de vua omna skribaji, 99% di qui es bela Ido e quin anke me sempre tre prizas lektar. Besser spaet als nie. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Adio! .....sincere via, B.Y.T. .....Idisto ed Idiotisto pro mea limitizita edukado ed anke Ido-Kavaliero kun abundanta hucpo* e numeroza erori ============================================================================== Pliz* indikez mea erori pri vorti, gramatiko, dicmaniero ec., nam me esas nura ne-edukito e devas lernar dum ke me vivas. Me sempre esperas, samideani, via amikeso por EXTRA prenar peno de via parto por instruktar me, qua durstas ye savo ulaspecala. Tamen en rara kazo kande me savas plu bone kam vi, me volunte transdonos mea humila savo a vi segun via bezoni. ============================================================================== ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 696 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 32358 invoked by uid 7770); 8 Jul 1999 11:51:54 -0000 Received: from qg.egroups.com (HELO qg.findmail.com) (10.1.2.27) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 8 Jul 1999 11:51:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 6990 invoked from network); 8 Jul 1999 11:51:51 -0000 Received: from ncc2.infomail.es (HELO infomail.es) (194.224.53.135) by qg.egroups.com with SMTP; 8 Jul 1999 11:51:51 -0000 Received: from 206124.rad.bbv.es ([195.53.206.124]) by infomail.es (Tid InfoMail Exchanger v2.20) with SMTP id #931434279.073870002; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 13:44:39 +0200 From: xavo@bbvnet.com To: idolisto@egroups.com Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 11:52:49 GMT Message-ID: <378483b7.2612594@mail.infomail.es> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.01/32.397 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Infomail-Id: 931434279.1CDB020A811067.54800 Subject: [ido] Re: Idisti Hispanlinguala Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Tem , "j.m.rodriguez" skribis: > >Memorez omna idisti hispanlinguala, ke me es pronta ad sendar gra= tuite >fotokopiuri dil Curso por Correspondencia de la Lengua Auxiliar IDO= editata >da la Sociedad Idista Espa=F1ola. Vu mustas nur sendar a me Vua = adreso. >Amiko Daniel ALEGRETT me sendos ta kurso ad adreso quan Vu dicis = a me tam >balde kam posible. Jose Maria, me dankas a Vu ca ofero, ma fort= unoze me povas trovar che Interneto preske omna informationo quan me bezona= s por progresigar mea Ido. Danko. Saludos, Marcos --------------------= ----------------------------------------------------- eGroups.com home: htt= p://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying gro= up communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 697 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 21095 invoked by uid 7770); 8 Jul 1999 13:06:52 -0000 Received: from qg.egroups.com (HELO qg.findmail.com) (10.1.2.27) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 8 Jul 1999 13:06:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 24016 invoked from network); 8 Jul 1999 13:06:52 -0000 Received: from rs5s2.datacenter.cha.cantv.net (200.44.32.55) by qg.egroups.com with SMTP; 8 Jul 1999 13:06:52 -0000 Received: from LALEGReTT (tc5r10-041.ras.cha.cantv.net [200.44.11.104]) by rs5s2.datacenter.cha.cantv.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1/1.0) with SMTP id JAA16244 for ; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 09:06:50 -0400 (VET) Message-ID: <37849AA6.583F@cantv.net> Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 08:33:42 -0400 From: Luis Alberto Alegrett Organization: Asesor?a Fiduciaria Integral X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: idolisto@egroups.com References: Subject: [ido] Re: Ma me esas notoracha jokero! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Bebson Y. TAKATA wrote: > > Kara Sri Cibernauti:#1 Generalajo #2 Linguo #3 Politiko #4 Religio > ============================================================================== > Kara Sro Daniel ALEGRETT:#2 Komprenende me jokis pri wroko e woko. (^_^;;;;) > ============================================================================== > >Ja me komprenis to quon vu dicis. "O.K.". -> Bone. -> Okide*. > >Tamen, la pronunco "rokk-" esas plu internaciona e facila por la cetera homi, > > e la uzon di ol me prizus. Kande Karibeani lektas "wroko", vua "vortacho" > > certe pensigas "broko" da li. E la poloni lektas la vorto kom "vroko"! > >(Ka vu savas pro quo Zamenhof preferis "kurba" anstat* "kurva"?). -> Ho, No! > > Latina - curvus Franca - courbe Itala, Hispana, Portugala - curvo > Germana - die Kurbel (manivelo) Angla - curved Rusa - krivoy > Tamen voluntez obliviar vua Esperanto, Ido es multe plu bona kam Esperanto. No, kara. Vu respondas mea questiono per "no". Vu ne savas pro quo la okulisto uzis "kurba" (vere de la franca "courbe") anstat* la plu internaciona "kurva". Yen la respondo: Por la poloni, "kurva" sonas quale "kurwa" (w = v). E "kurwa", en la polona linguo esas "prostituino". Ta Zamenhof! ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 698 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 18404 invoked by uid 7770); 8 Jul 1999 14:31:58 -0000 Received: from qg.egroups.com (HELO qg.findmail.com) (10.1.2.27) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 8 Jul 1999 14:31:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 9987 invoked from network); 8 Jul 1999 14:31:48 -0000 Received: from mailsorter-105-2.iap.bryant.webtv.net (209.240.198.118) by qg.egroups.com with SMTP; 8 Jul 1999 14:31:48 -0000 Received: from postoffice-292.iap.bryant.webtv.net (postoffice-292.iap.bryant.webtv.net [209.240.198.25]) by mailsorter-105-2.iap.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.8/ms.gso.08Dec97) with ESMTP id HAA00878; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 07:31:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from production@localhost) by postoffice-292.iap.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.8/po.gso.24Feb98) id HAA10382; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 07:31:26 -0700 (PDT) X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhRuLlgJnti14DoKkpIqHJNAfbJ4MAIVAKzjb6jq6FWMKTWac8luQPIVaKQ8 From: thomw@webtv.net (Thom) Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 07:31:26 -0700 (PDT) To: idolisto@egroups.com Message-ID: <20380-3784B63E-5218@postoffice-292.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Content-Disposition: Inline MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Subject: [ido] Re: Me dankas ad omni Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Me tre regretas pro la antea letro, pro quo HTML la texto ne aperis. Yen la texto-- Kara omna Idisti-- Me lektabas vua tre kordiala rimarki pri mea lukto kun/kontre la esperantisti che soc.culture.esperanto e altra forumi. Me jam ne deziras konoeskcar kam esperantisto. La vera retadreso di mea ttt-pagino esas : http://community-1.webtv.net/thomw/ThomsPage/ Me esperas ke omni idisti vizitus ol. Pri e-Groups -- [me regretas sed me devas/mustas skribar angle pro mea Ido ne esas sat bona] Some time ago, there was a discussion in Ido-listo about a possible move of this forum to soc.culture.Ido or another such alt.discuss hierarchy. My server [WebTV] uses TalkCity, which I find very convenient to use alt.discuss.-- or soc.culture.-- Is there any progress on this front? Unfortunately, e-Groups and WebTV are not completely compatible. for example-- when one c/c/p [cuts/copies/&pastes] from another's letter, the resulting quote is [sometimes] displayed as black text on a deep-blue background -- thus making it all but impossible for me to read. I find this true for auxlang as well [also viae-Groups]. Are there any other servers/foums besides e-Groups where Ido-listo and auxlang appear? Amikale Thom Wilkerson ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 699 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 21872 invoked by uid 7770); 8 Jul 1999 17:55:39 -0000 Received: from qg.egroups.com (HELO qg.findmail.com) (10.1.2.27) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 8 Jul 1999 17:55:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 27175 invoked from network); 8 Jul 1999 17:55:37 -0000 Received: from farida.a2000.nl (HELO smtp1.a2000.nl) (62.108.1.19) by qg.egroups.com with SMTP; 8 Jul 1999 17:55:37 -0000 Received: from node118d7.a2000.nl ([24.132.24.215] helo=HansStuifbergen) by smtp1.a2000.nl with smtp (Exim 2.02 #4) id 112I4K-000088-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 19:34:44 +0200 Message-ID: <000301bec969$40d36f20$d7188418@HansStuifbergen.a2000.nl> From: "Ido-Info" To: "idolisto" Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 19:42:30 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Subject: [ido] serverio fushas Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kar amiki, Me ne plu povas recevar irga e-postala mesaji. Dankez mea serverio, qua pensis esar habila e chanjar la servilo dum du dii, me ne plu lektis ula mesajo. Adminime ne per mea e-postala programo. Fortunoze, me ankore ya povas vizitar la retala pagini di eGroups ed ibe lektar omna mesaji dil Idolistani. Me nur ne savas ka ca mesajo esos sendata da mea serverio e ke vi ol recevos. Til balde, saluti amikala, Hans St. ************************************************************* >Ido, linguo internaciona, absolute vizitez: http://members.tripod.com/~avancigado + nova + nova + nova + nova + nova + nova + nova LA HERISONI, rakonteto desegnita, da Rymke che: http://www.angelfire.com/id/Avance/TiaListo1.html ************************************************************* ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 700 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 2422 invoked by uid 7770); 8 Jul 1999 18:11:45 -0000 Received: from qg.egroups.com (HELO qg.findmail.com) (10.1.2.27) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 8 Jul 1999 18:11:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 30676 invoked from network); 8 Jul 1999 18:11:23 -0000 Received: from epmsa001.ep.minsk.by (194.226.122.227) by qg.egroups.com with SMTP; 8 Jul 1999 18:11:23 -0000 Received: by epmsa001.ep.minsk.by with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 21:11:20 +0300 Message-ID: <8D76D48EDDD3D211AC3000A0C98212E703A861@epmsa001.ep.minsk.by> From: "Dmitri P. Laptsionak" To: "'idolisto@egroups.com'" Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 21:11:12 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Subject: [ido] Ido ed Esperanto ed UniversalLinguo Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Saluti Yen mea opinioni pri la subjekto. Ed Ido ed Esperanto esas "netushebla". Dum plu kam 70 yari amba lingui ne havis amendi en la gramatiki. Ed Ido ed Esperanto varias = plugrandeskas, kreskas. Konstante aparas nova vorti. Ultempe nova sufixi. (Esperanto prenas li ek Ido :-) Amba havas bona traiti. Me ne povas dicar, qua linguo esas plu facila por lernar. (Me unesme studiis Esperanto e pose Ido.) Por uzar praktike Ido esas por me plu facila, exakta ed agreabla. Nuntempe la maxim konocata inter planita, konstruktita lingui esas, sendube, Esperanto. Se *enketar homi "Pri qua interlingui vu savas?" preske omnu dicos Esperanto. Pri altra dicos nur ti, qui ja savas pri Esperanto. Do ol esas ne simple linguo propozita da Zamenhof, ol esas por nuna mondo simbolo e nomo por omna interlinguo. Do por felicigar la mondo, por faciligar olua komunikado, necesesas (segun mea humila opiniono): 1. Omnu savez, ke existado ed uzado di (ula) interlinguo esas "panaceo por omna felico". 2. Omnu decidez, ke ni uzez (ula) interlinguo. 3. Ankore-foye maxim talenta ciencisti kunvenez e selektez qua inter le existanta meritas. Forsan to esos Esperanto, forsan pos tot-monda uzado Esperantisti aceptos maxim importanta chanji, ja facita en Ido, ma povas esar la ciencisti prenos Ido ja facita reformita Esperanto. Me ankore influata da "interna ideo" opinionas, ke ver-vere ne tre gravas, qua linguo vinkos. Irgu vinkez! Ya me pensas ke multa problemi ed konflikti ne existos, se homi komprenos plu bone un altra. Por vinko di Ido, ni omni devas unesme reklamar nia linguo. Me ja dicis, ke en Internet existas multa pagini kun listi di diversa lingui. En kelka esas *linki ad Esperanto-tereni. Do me ankore-foye pregas: ta qua posedas en Internet irga informo pri Ido, propozes sua adresi a mastri di la listi. Se vu ne povas trovar ta listi, me serchos ed savigos: "Yen esas mastri, qua povas enlistigi nia linguo". Zmicier ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 701 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 6124 invoked by uid 7770); 8 Jul 1999 18:16:59 -0000 Received: from qh.egroups.com (HELO qh.findmail.com) (10.1.2.28) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 8 Jul 1999 18:16:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 16755 invoked from network); 8 Jul 1999 18:16:59 -0000 Received: from imo13.mx.aol.com (198.81.17.3) by qh.egroups.com with SMTP; 8 Jul 1999 18:16:59 -0000 Received: from Shorim@aol.com by imo13.mx.aol.com (IMOv20.21) id aIKQa02676 (3893) for ; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 14:16:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Shorim@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 14:16:13 EDT To: idolisto@egroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 Subject: [ido] Re: Ido ed Esperanto ed UniversalLinguo Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Please take me off the mailing list ASAP. Thank you, Hyam Shore ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 702 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 6763 invoked by uid 7770); 8 Jul 1999 18:17:53 -0000 Received: from qg.egroups.com (HELO qg.findmail.com) (10.1.2.27) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 8 Jul 1999 18:17:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 32148 invoked from network); 8 Jul 1999 18:17:54 -0000 Received: from imo16.mx.aol.com (198.81.17.6) by qg.egroups.com with SMTP; 8 Jul 1999 18:17:54 -0000 Received: from Shorim@aol.com by imo16.mx.aol.com (IMOv20.21) id aKAMa03246 (3893) for ; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 14:17:28 -0400 (EDT) From: Shorim@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 14:17:28 EDT To: idolisto@egroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 Subject: [ido] Re: membro-listo Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit please take me off the mailing list. Thank you. Hyam Shore ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 703 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 26740 invoked by uid 7770); 9 Jul 1999 09:15:38 -0000 Received: from qg.egroups.com (HELO qg.findmail.com) (10.1.2.27) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 9 Jul 1999 09:15:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 23517 invoked from network); 9 Jul 1999 09:15:37 -0000 Received: from mga2.primo.co.jp (210.145.40.130) by qg.egroups.com with SMTP; 9 Jul 1999 09:15:37 -0000 Received: from mga2.primo.co.jp (unverified [210.145.40.140]) by mga2.primo.co.jp (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Fri, 09 Jul 1999 18:18:59 +0900 Message-ID: From: "Bebson Y. TAKATA" To: "IDOLISTO" Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 18:06:27 +0900 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] Ma me es notoracha spozinguvernito! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kara Sri Cibernauti:#1 Generalajo #2 Linguo #3 Politiko #4 Religio ============================================================================== Kara Sro Daniel ALEGRETT:#1 Komprenende me jokos pri prostitucatino. (^_^;;;;) ============================================================================== >Ka vu savas pro quo Zamenhof preferis "kurba" anstat* "kurva"?. -> Ho, No! >Yen la respondo: Por la Poloni, "kurva" sonas quale "kurwa" (w = v). >E "kurwa", en la Polona linguo esas "prostitucatino". Ta Zamenhof! Forsan lo esas pro ke Dro ZAMENHOF vivis sub sua megero quale B.Y.T. vivabas. O felice o nefelice me nulatempe renkontris mea chanco komprar prostitucatino. Forsan pro ke me amoris/as/os mea megero, no! me devas dicar, mea spozino. Tamen suficante stranje, omna mea amiki - nigrazonizita Karateisti/Judoisti - havas sua megeri. Do li es feroce forta exter sua hemo e mizere febla heme. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Adio! .....sincere via, B.Y.T. .....Idisto ed Idiotisto pro mea limitizita edukado ed anke Ido-Kavaliero kun abundanta hucpo* e numeroza erori ============================================================================== Pliz* indikez mea erori pri vorti, gramatiko, dicmaniero ec., nam me esas nura ne-edukito e devas lernar dum ke me vivas. Me sempre esperas, samideani, via amikeso por EXTRA prenar peno de via parto por instruktar me, qua durstas ye savo ulaspecala. Tamen en rara kazo kande me savas plu bone kam vi, me volunte transdonos mea humila savo a vi segun via bezoni. ============================================================================== ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 704 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 22714 invoked by uid 7770); 9 Jul 1999 12:15:46 -0000 Received: from qh.egroups.com (HELO qh.findmail.com) (10.1.2.28) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 9 Jul 1999 12:15:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 79 invoked from network); 9 Jul 1999 12:15:46 -0000 Received: from spartacus.a2000.nl (HELO smtp2.a2000.nl) (62.108.1.20) by qh.egroups.com with SMTP; 9 Jul 1999 12:15:46 -0000 Received: from node118d7.a2000.nl ([24.132.24.215] helo=HansStuifbergen) by smtp2.a2000.nl with smtp (Exim 2.02 #4) id 112XHR-0006H6-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 11:49:17 +0200 Message-ID: <001b01bec9f1$654562e0$d7188418@HansStuifbergen.a2000.nl> From: "Ido-Info" To: "idolisto" Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 11:57:03 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Subject: [ido] nula mesaji Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kar amiki, Per la retala pagino di eGroups me ankore es kapabla lektar la mesaji via. Regretinde la serverio ne pasigas la mesaji per voyo normala a me. Nun me ne plu savas ka me ankore es posibla recevar mesaji o ne. Me pregas a vi, sendar direta mesaj(et)o a me, (do ne per idolisto), por probar ka me nur ne recevas la mesaji di 'idolisto' o tote nula mesaji. Se morge, saturdiovespero, me ankore recevis nula mesaji, lore me timas ke es tempo telefonar a la serverio. Saluti amikala, Hans St. ************************************************************* >Ido, linguo internaciona, absolute vizitez: http://members.tripod.com/~avancigado + nova + nova + nova + nova + nova + nova + nova LA HERISONI, rakonteto desegnita, da Rymke che: http://www.angelfire.com/id/Avance/TiaListo1.html ************************************************************* ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 705 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 9268 invoked by uid 7770); 9 Jul 1999 13:29:20 -0000 Received: from qh.egroups.com (HELO qh.findmail.com) (10.1.2.28) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 9 Jul 1999 13:29:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 15501 invoked from network); 9 Jul 1999 13:29:21 -0000 Received: from law-f246.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (209.185.130.211) by qh.egroups.com with SMTP; 9 Jul 1999 13:29:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 9417 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jul 1999 13:29:21 -0000 Message-ID: <19990709132921.9416.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 159.15.128.3 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 09 Jul 1999 06:29:20 PDT From: "James Chandler" To: idolisto@egroups.com Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 13:29:20 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] Progreso recevita Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kar amiki Hodie me recevis la nova numero di nia central revuo Progreso, e me lektas ol kun grand intereso. Ka me eroras, o kad ol es kelke plu dika kam antea numeri? Forsan nia afero nun rivenas a la dii en la 1930a yari, kande Progreso kelkafoye kontenis sis-a-dek-e-quar (64!) pagini di lektindaji. Omno semblante kreskas nuntempe; to durez. Kordiale, James Chandler idojc@hotmail.com http://yi.com/home/ChandlerJames http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Forum/5037 ______________________________________________________ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 706 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 12347 invoked by uid 7770); 9 Jul 1999 17:28:40 -0000 Received: from qg.egroups.com (HELO qg.findmail.com) (10.1.2.27) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 9 Jul 1999 17:28:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 28396 invoked from network); 9 Jul 1999 17:28:40 -0000 Received: from out1.minitel.net (HELO gmailint1.globalmail.net) (193.252.91.10) by qg.egroups.com with SMTP; 9 Jul 1999 17:28:40 -0000 Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 19:28:37 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199907091728.TAA14045@gmailint1.globalmail.net> From: jeanmartignon@minitel.net (JEAN MARTIGNON) To: idolisto@egroups.com (IDOLISTO) MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] Fripuneta Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Kara cibernauti, Mea matro informis me icavespere ke un ek nia du katini Fripounette (Fripuneta en Ido) mortis icamatine. Fripuneta esis tre malada ed el mustis injektizigar lu por ke elu ne plus sufrez. Fripuneta evis 16 yari e me konocis lu bone. Me gastigis elu kelkafoye en mea hemo. La morto di amata hemala animalo esas quaze la morto di familio-membro. Me trauras. Ciberspacale e triste vin salutas jeanmartignon@minitel.net ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 707 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 3232 invoked by uid 7770); 9 Jul 1999 19:24:05 -0000 Received: from qg.egroups.com (HELO qg.findmail.com) (10.1.2.27) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 9 Jul 1999 19:24:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 21481 invoked from network); 9 Jul 1999 19:24:04 -0000 Received: from spartacus.a2000.nl (HELO smtp2.a2000.nl) (62.108.1.20) by qg.egroups.com with SMTP; 9 Jul 1999 19:24:04 -0000 Received: from node118d7.a2000.nl ([24.132.24.215] helo=HansStuifbergen) by smtp2.a2000.nl with smtp (Exim 2.02 #4) id 112g8O-00020R-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 21:16:32 +0200 Message-ID: <002a01beca40$a4798e60$d7188418@HansStuifbergen.a2000.nl> From: "Ido-Info" To: "idolisto" Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 21:24:19 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Subject: [ido] Hura! Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kar amiki, Danko pro via komplezemeso helpar me per sendir mesaji direte a mea e-postal adreso. Samatempe kun via mesaji anke la mesaji di 'idolisto' atingis me. Semblante mea serverio solvis la problemi. E nun, nun me havas vizitanto, do cavespere ne povas skribar multe. Tamen, me deziras kondolar sioro J. Martignon pro la morto di Fripuneta. Mea propra kati Chiko e Jacko anke tristesas pro la morto di sam-sortano e sincere trauras kun vu. Saluti amikala, Hans St. Mea vizitanto okupas mea hamako en la gardeno e vartas mea kompaneso, do me quik eniros la gardeno por babilar. ************************************************************* >Ido, linguo internaciona, absolute vizitez: http://members.tripod.com/~avancigado + nova + nova + nova + nova + nova + nova + nova LA HERISONI, rakonteto desegnita, da Rymke che: http://www.angelfire.com/id/Avance/TiaListo1.html ************************************************************* ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 708 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 16816 invoked by uid 7770); 10 Jul 1999 12:32:39 -0000 Received: from qh.egroups.com (HELO qh.findmail.com) (10.1.2.28) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 10 Jul 1999 12:32:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 17945 invoked from network); 10 Jul 1999 12:32:39 -0000 Received: from law-f5.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (209.185.131.68) by qh.egroups.com with SMTP; 10 Jul 1999 12:32:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 69339 invoked by uid 0); 10 Jul 1999 12:21:00 -0000 Message-ID: <19990710122100.69338.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 159.15.128.3 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sat, 10 Jul 1999 05:21:00 PDT From: "James Chandler" To: idolisto@egroups.com Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 12:21:00 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] exilo Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kar amiki Me recevis recente novaji de membro di ca listo, anke espisto, qua informas me ke lu esis exilata de sua _propra_ posto-listo pro ke il mencionis Ido che certena netolerema espisti. Me pregas omni, qui judikas quale me ca konduto tote neaceptebla, informar altri pri la netoleremeso di kelka (regretinde ne poka) espisti che la reto, qua impedas omna racionoza debato pri nia afero. Kordiale, James Chandler idojc@hotmail.com http://yi.com/home/ChandlerJames http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Forum/5037 ______________________________________________________ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 709 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 22578 invoked by uid 7770); 10 Jul 1999 19:45:34 -0000 Received: from qg.egroups.com (HELO qg.findmail.com) (10.1.2.27) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 10 Jul 1999 19:45:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 3469 invoked from network); 10 Jul 1999 19:45:34 -0000 Received: from farida.a2000.nl (HELO smtp1.a2000.nl) (62.108.1.19) by qg.egroups.com with SMTP; 10 Jul 1999 19:45:34 -0000 Received: from node118d7.a2000.nl ([24.132.24.215] helo=HansStuifbergen) by smtp1.a2000.nl with smtp (Exim 2.02 #4) id 1132w4-0003z9-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Sat, 10 Jul 1999 21:37:20 +0200 Message-ID: <001f01becb0c$b86f4aa0$d7188418@HansStuifbergen.a2000.nl> From: "Ido-Info" To: "idolisto" Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 21:45:01 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Subject: [ido] varmeso Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kar amiki, Es tre varma en Amsterdam. Balde me spektos filmo ye la televiziono, quan me ja spektis en la cinemo ante kelka yari: Sub la volkano, fondita ye libro da Malcolm Lowry. E morge, morge me iros a diskoteko Arabiana, yes yes Daniel, ibe on pleas muziko di le Cheb e Cheba. Cheba Rimitti e Cheba Zahouania es mea favorati. Me anke tre multe prizas la muziko da Yma Sumac, la Peruano. Ka vu konocas elua muziko? Saluti amikala, Hans St. ************************************************************* >Ido, linguo internaciona, absolute vizitez: http://members.tripod.com/~avancigado + nova + nova + nova + nova + nova + nova + nova LA HERISONI, rakonteto desegnita, da Rymke che: http://www.angelfire.com/id/Avance/TiaListo1.html ************************************************************* ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 710 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 21707 invoked by uid 7770); 10 Jul 1999 20:41:00 -0000 Received: from qg.egroups.com (HELO qg.findmail.com) (10.1.2.27) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 10 Jul 1999 20:41:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 11895 invoked from network); 10 Jul 1999 20:41:00 -0000 Received: from out2.minitel.net (HELO gmailint2.globalmail.net) (193.252.91.11) by qg.egroups.com with SMTP; 10 Jul 1999 20:41:00 -0000 Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 22:40:58 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199907102040.WAA09160@gmailint2.globalmail.net> From: jeanmartignon@minitel.net (JEAN MARTIGNON) To: idolisto@egroups.com (IDOLISTO) MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] Sergei Kostin Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Kara cibernauti, Icavespere ye televiziono, Rusa editisto esis interviuvita dum dissendo pri la historiala periodo dil kolda milito e pri la kombati dil Rusa sekreta servi e la spionado. Ica Ruso parolis perfekte la Franca e forsan mem plu bone kam me qua esas Franco. Il ne havis acento o nur tre mikra, apene perceptebla, acento e qua povis aceptesar kom febla regionala Franca acento. Vere existas Rusi qui esas extreme dotita pri lingui !!! Me povas nur admirar... Kun kordiala ciberspacala saluti. JM PS Anke en Paris la vetero esas tre varma e sturmema tre desagreabla. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 711 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 22605 invoked by uid 7770); 10 Jul 1999 20:42:16 -0000 Received: from qh.egroups.com (HELO qh.findmail.com) (10.1.2.28) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 10 Jul 1999 20:42:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 28862 invoked from network); 10 Jul 1999 20:42:16 -0000 Received: from mout00.kundenserver.de (195.20.224.69) by qh.egroups.com with SMTP; 10 Jul 1999 20:42:16 -0000 Received: from [195.20.224.67] (helo=mx00.kundenserver.de) by mout00.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 1133ws-0003uQ-00; Sat, 10 Jul 1999 22:42:14 +0200 Received: from [212.81.170.135] (helo=www) by mx00.kundenserver.de with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 1133wh-0001xx-00; Sat, 10 Jul 1999 22:42:04 +0200 Message-ID: <002201becb14$8bae6840$87aa51d4@fen.baynet.de> From: "Frank Kasper" To: "Manfred Magin" , "Idolisto (Mesaji)" Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 22:30:20 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Subject: [ido] La elektronika Ido-revueyo nun moveskis ad olua propra tereno Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000F_01BECB23.CB4D7EA0" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01BECB23.CB4D77EA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" content-transfer-encoding: 7bit content-type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Kara amiki! Pos regretinde itere experiencir semano sen recevo di postala Ido-letri de irgu da mea Ido-koresponderi(ya itere depos plu kam tri semani!) e nur poka persona e-postala mesaji me hodie uzis l'okaziono di libera dio por aperigar la kreita da me ante kelka semani interret-loko: http://elektrona-idorevueyo.purespace.de On ibe nur trovas la edituro numero 03/1999 di "Letro Internaciona til nun. Me uzis tota nova posibleso adjuntita a la nova oficey-programo "Microsoft Office 2000" por krear la startpagino, quo samtempe kontenas l'aktuala numero di "Letro Internaciona" e la indexo dil arkivo dil idorevueyo. De ibe on atingos la stokota ibe edituri sur la sama pagino. Ca esas la novajo, quon me ankore kelke volas explikar a me. La programo "Microsoft Word 2000" posiblesigas krear "Frames", ligi quo realizeskas sube sur la sama pagino. Signifikas, ke la start-pagino konsistas ek du parti. Supre trovesas la bonveno-parto e la ligi a l'aktuala edituro ed a l'arkivo. En la suba parto on komence trovas l'aktuala edituro di "Letro Internaciona. Kliktante sur ligo a l'arkivo en la supra parto dil pagino on sube trovos l'arkivo. Kliktante a ligo infre dil arkivo la dezirata pagino anke aperteskas ibe. Me kordialege pregus vi omni vizitar l'elektronika Ido-revueyo e raportar a me, ka vu povis regardar ol. Samtempe via opinioni e komenti esos bonvenata che me!! Kun la maxim kordiala ed amikala saluti dezirante a vi omni agreabla semanofino! Frank Kasper frank.kasper@idolinguo.de ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01BECB23.CB4D77EA0-- From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 712 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 3461 invoked by uid 7770); 10 Jul 1999 22:11:03 -0000 Received: from qh.egroups.com (HELO qh.findmail.com) (10.1.2.28) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 10 Jul 1999 22:11:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 9332 invoked from network); 10 Jul 1999 22:11:03 -0000 Received: from rs1s2.datacenter.cha.cantv.net (200.44.32.51) by qh.egroups.com with SMTP; 10 Jul 1999 22:11:03 -0000 Received: from LALEGReTT (tc3r7-029.ras.cha.cantv.net [200.44.13.28]) by rs1s2.datacenter.cha.cantv.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1/1.0) with SMTP id SAA17869 for ; Sat, 10 Jul 1999 18:11:00 -0400 (VET) Message-ID: <3787B7F2.5DAE@cantv.net> Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 17:15:32 -0400 From: Luis Alberto Alegrett Organization: Asesor�a Fiduciaria Integral X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: idolisto@egroups.com References: <001f01becb0c$b86f4aa0$d7188418@HansStuifbergen.a2000.nl> Subject: [ido] Re: varmeso; e la esperantisti. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit De: Daniel Alegrett, Caracas, Venezuela. > Es tre varma en Amsterdam. Balde me spektos filmo ye la televiziono, quan me > ja spektis en la cinemo ante kelka yari: Sub la volkano, fondita ye libro da > Malcolm Lowry. Havez bona ri-spekto! Finney esas tre bona aktoro en ta filmo, e Jacqueline Bissett on sempre prizas vidar! Me ankore ne lektas ta libro da Lowry, tamen me havas ol, e altra libri. Me nur lektis "Lunar Caustic". Forsan Amsterdam e tota Europa esas plu varmega nun kam Caracas. Ma Caracas sempre esas varmega. Vi la europani havas kolda epoki, tamen la tropicala mondeto nur konocas varmego, se on ne esas en alta monti. > E morge, morge me iros a diskoteko Arabiana, yes yes Daniel, ibe on pleas > muziko di le Cheb e Cheba. Cheba Rimitti e Cheba Zahouania es mea favorati. > Me anke tre multe prizas la muziko da Yma Sumac, la Peruano. Ka vu konocas > elua muziko? Me ne konocas li. Me nur havas un (?)disko preske de Cheb, qua esas preske de britana "pop" e *rokko, preske tre bona :). La (?)disko (Diw�n, 1997) esas da Rachid Taha, kantantulo de (?)Algeria, ma la disko esas britana (registrita che Londono, da (?)muzik-produktisto e gitaristo Steve Hillage). Me preske ne konocas sudamerikana muziko, se ol ne esas "rokko". Ed on povas dicar ke *rokko la hispanidi nur havas hispana, (?)argentiniana, (?)chileana (por me, la plu bona), e mexikana. Me esas filulo di *"rokkema" patro (precipue Beatles), qua ne prizas multe altra muziko. Il ne prizas, ne komprenas, klasika o elektronika muziko, quan me multe prizas, ed il pensas ke la muziko de altra landi esas nur krii da primitiva homi qui batas roki. Povra patro mea! :) Sinioro, me pregas Tua pardono a mea patro! Me sparas nun por komprar duopla albumo di klasika muziko da Ravi Shankar. La kusto ne esas tre chera por venezuelana diskerii, quankam la albumo esez duopla: US$ 20,50. Forsan mea patro prizus ol, nur pro ke Ravi Shankar esas amiko di la Beatles. Pri la oficala milito de importanta esperantisti kontre me, me probis pacigar ni, e me multe uzis la telefono e la posto por ol. Me volis finigar la milito, e ri-amikigar. Tamen, li ne deziras paco, e ankore li insultas me. Me ne povas aceptar to. Per altra "managers", me ri-prenis la kontrolo sur mea postala grupo (Venezuelo en la reto), e decidis klozar ol. La Venezuelo Esperanto-Asocio kreos altra grupo, ube li povos dolorigar altra esperantisti qui havas aperta menti, segun li prizez. Do, me ne esos esperantisto plus. La juna amikin quin me konocis per Esperanto, sempre preferis la uzo di la angla linguo, quankam li ne esas anglalinguani. Ka esas pro quo li ja vidis ke Esperanto ne esas la perfekta linguo? Karega polonanino sempre dicas en la angla: "Damn Esperanto!". Polonana esperantisti impozis la lernado di la linguo ad el. Ka ni povas aceptar tala impozadi? Forsan la esperantista *koshmoro finos balde en Venezuela ed en Polonia. La nacionala grupi en iti nacioni nur havas oldega membri. Me ja pre-parolis pri Ido ad mea polonana amikino, e la balda morto dil mala e fanatika esperantisti povas esar tre bona por Ido. Ol sonas trista e ruda, ma esas la vero, ed ol esos tre bona oportuno por difuzar Ido. Do, ni mustas laborar por Ido en Hispanala Amerika. La maleso di Esperanto hike apertas a ni la pordi. Rude, ma kun ne-esperantista Espero. Daniel. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 713 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 13308 invoked by uid 7770); 10 Jul 1999 22:27:58 -0000 Received: from qg.egroups.com (HELO qg.findmail.com) (10.1.2.27) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 10 Jul 1999 22:27:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 28366 invoked from network); 10 Jul 1999 22:27:59 -0000 Received: from rs3s4.datacenter.cha.cantv.net (200.44.32.53) by qg.egroups.com with SMTP; 10 Jul 1999 22:27:59 -0000 Received: from LALEGReTT (tc3r7-029.ras.cha.cantv.net [200.44.13.28]) by rs3s4.datacenter.cha.cantv.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1/1.0) with SMTP id SAA08023 for ; Sat, 10 Jul 1999 18:27:56 -0400 (VET) Message-ID: <3787C73C.3173@cantv.net> Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 18:20:44 -0400 From: Luis Alberto Alegrett Organization: Asesor?a Fiduciaria Integral X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: idolisto@egroups.com References: <002201becb14$8bae6840$87aa51d4@fen.baynet.de> Subject: [ido] Re: La elektronika Ido-revueyo nun moveskis ad olua propra tereno Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Me ja vidis la revuo, e multe prizis ol. Me anke multe prizis vidar Tintin en Ido, quankam me ne povis lektar bone la paroli. Ka la nova revui esos en la reto? Ka to signifikas ke mi ne bezonas abonar Letro Internaciona? Me facis same por ti mala e malega venezuelana esperantisti. Me "enretigis" lia revuo "Venezuela Stelo". Ka li dankis to a me? No! Li organizis milito kontre me. Tamen, vidar Tintin en idala revui kontentigas me! Kontenta, Daniel. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 714 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 23433 invoked by uid 7770); 11 Jul 1999 09:31:56 -0000 Received: from qg.egroups.com (HELO qg.findmail.com) (10.1.2.27) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 11 Jul 1999 09:31:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 7267 invoked from network); 11 Jul 1999 09:31:56 -0000 Received: from new.sis.it (HELO dipobox.sis.it) (193.70.16.253) by qg.egroups.com with SMTP; 11 Jul 1999 09:31:56 -0000 Received: from lizard [193.70.17.17] with smtp by dipobox.sis.it with smtp (Smail-3.2.0.103 1998-Oct-9 #4 #4) id m113FyC-000R6JC; Sun, 11 Jul 1999 11:32:24 +0200 (MEST) Message-Id: Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 11:32:24 +0200 (MEST) X-Sender: narcar@mailserver.sis.it (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 To: idolisto@egroups.com From: Carlo Nardini Subject: [ido] Greka, Latina e Ido Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Karisima* (1) amiki, filtata* (2) Jean Martignon, ((me komprenas la tristeso pri la morto di Fripuneta, savante ke vere ul animalo povas esar quaze familio-membro)). me komplimentas vu, pri vua admirinda entraprezo koncerne la Greka linguo; me kundividas vua entuziasmo por la klasika lingui, la Latina [L] e la Greka [G]. En vua mesajo titolizita "Ka nur D.E.F.I.R.S.?" vu skribis: > La vortaro di nia linguo bazesas sur la D.E.F.I.R.S. lingui. > Tamen existas adminime du altra tre grava lingui por Ido, nome > la Latina e la Greka... > La Greka meritas sidilo en la kunsido di la grava Europana lingui > por la formaco di nia linguo. Olua kulturala pezo esas tre forta > e permanas ankore cadie. La Latina e la Greka (anciena e moderna) > esas la Europana lingui eminente. Optime* vu argumentas. Tamen, pri Ido, meaopinione vu forsas kurante apertita pordo. Me kredas ke on povas plu facile dicar ke Ido prenis tro multe kam tro poke de la Latina e de la Greka. Precize me ne savas, ma me opinionas ke cirkume 90 % dil Idala vorti esas: a) sive Greka --> DEFIRS --> Ido; b) sive Latina -> DEFIRS --> Ido; c) sive Greka --> Latina --> DEFIRS --> Ido; d) sive Latina --> Ido. Anke formale ne esas tote exakta ke Ido pruntas de "nur DEFIRS". Quankam "L" ne citesas en la skriburi ordinara, ol aparas tre freque en la Dicionarii (da Dyer, da Persiko), kai* pri botaniko[G] e zoologio[G], kai* pri altro. Exemple: avo, domo, plaudar, plektar, kam, quankam, querar, jungar, forsan, ja, infre, supre... omna ti havas sua "L" printita, sive sole sive kun altra DEFIRS. Do "D.E.F.I.R.S." esas ja vortare "D.E.F.I.R.S.L.". Yes, formale mankas la "G" di la Greka. Tamen praktike esas en Ido miriado[G] de vorti, kai* ciencala, kai* neciencala, derivita mediate de la Greka. Nur exemple: pleyado, ateismo, politiko, demokratio, aristokrata, kirurgio, antipatiar, simpatiar, filozofio, antologio, apokalipso, eufonio, epifanio, epilogo, prologo, lakoniko, teatro, dek, -esk, mono-, pseudo-, auto-... Koncerne la vorti ciencala, aparte l'anatomio[G] e la medicino, me kredas ke la Greka havas quaze monopolo[G]: atomo, elektro, skeleto... esas mem tedanta exemplifar. Omnakaze, se omna to ne suficas, me volunte promisas uzor de nun, til decido di futura Akademio[G], la vorti sequanta: # pulkr.a*[L]: plu bela kam nur bela; la pulkra prozo di J. Martignon, la pulkra poezii[G] da G. Neves # optim.a[L] (de optim.ismo): tre tre bona; Ido esas optima linguo artificala # pesim.a[L] (de pesim.ismo): tre tre mala; la pesima alfabeto[G] di Esperanto # kai...kai*[G] : ne nur...ma anke, ma mem, ma pluse, ma plu bone; Ido esas kai facila, kai bela; me esos fidela kai nun, kai sempre; unesma " kai" povus esar tacita: el es bela, kai (= ma anke) richa; lu manjas, kai (= ma pluse) drinkegas; lu manjas, kai (= ma plu bone) manjegas. Anke radiofono*[G] e nosokomiala*[G] ne desplezas a me. (Ka vi audis pri la recenta nosokomiala* infekteso di 14 nov-naskinti, vera epidemio[G] realeskinta en grandisima hospitalo di Roma? Esas nacionala skandalo[G].) Me anke serchis vane, sive de la Greka sive de la Latina, sinonimo[G] plu tenua kam "leda": ica vorto es poke internaciona [FI] e tro forta meaorele (italiana "laido", uzata tre rare, signifikas "sordida", "repugnanta"). --- (1) -isima*: Latina formo di absoluta superlativo...uzita da Houillon, Bol e.c...(A. Juste) (2) filtata*: Greka superlativo di "filos" (kara)...monouzita da me ca-okazione. Kordiale Carlo Nardini ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 715 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 10872 invoked by uid 7770); 11 Jul 1999 08:37:11 -0000 Received: from qg.egroups.com (HELO qg.findmail.com) (10.1.2.27) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 11 Jul 1999 08:37:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 3791 invoked from network); 11 Jul 1999 08:37:11 -0000 Received: from smtp.callnetuk.com.128.67.212.in-addr.arpa (HELO smtp.callnetuk.com) (212.67.128.5) by qg.egroups.com with SMTP; 11 Jul 1999 08:37:11 -0000 Received: from default [212.67.132.239] by smtp.callnetuk.com (SMTPD32-5.05) id A7DC77801A8; Sun, 11 Jul 1999 09:37:48 +0100 Message-ID: <000e01becb77$151691e0$ef8443d4@default> From: "Thomas Wood" To: Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 09:20:37 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Subject: [ido] Ido Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0004_01BECB7E.A34CF4C0" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BECB7E.A34CFF4C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Kar amiki Dyer skribis: If anything is found in an Ido text for which a log= ical reason does not exist it is bad Ido. Sen-dube la substantival -o, uti= la por eufonio, ne es necesa por kompreno. Mem Esperanto permisas omiso di= l -o. (Videz Regulo 16.) Amikala saluti Tom Wood ------------------------= ------------------------------------------------- ___________=3D=3D_ADZZXXP = eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups= .com - Simplifying group communications ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BECB7E.A34CFF4C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable content-type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1"
Kar amiki
Dyer skribis: If anyth= ing is found in an Ido text for which a logical reason does not exist it i= s bad Ido.
Sen-dube = la substantival  -o, utila por eufonio, ne es necesa por kompreno.
Mem Esperanto permisa= s omiso dil -o. (Videz Regulo 16.)
Amikala saluti
Tom Wood
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= ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BECB7E.A34CFF4C0-- From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 716 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 13450 invoked by uid 7770); 11 Jul 1999 14:13:28 -0000 Received: from qg.egroups.com (HELO qg.findmail.com) (10.1.2.27) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 11 Jul 1999 14:13:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 31704 invoked from network); 11 Jul 1999 14:13:29 -0000 Received: from mu.egroups.com (207.138.41.151) by qg.egroups.com with SMTP; 11 Jul 1999 14:13:29 -0000 Received: from [10.1.2.24] by mu.egroups.com with NNFMP; 11 Jul 1999 15:13:29 -0000 Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 14:13:26 -0000 From: frank.kasper@idolinguo.de To: idolisto@egroups.com Subject: [ido] POLL: elektronika Ido-revuo kun poemi Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ka ni volas krear elektronika Ido-revueto kun poemi? ---- Please select one of the following: o Yes o No by going to the following Web form: http://www.egroups.com/vote?id=931702406232 Thank you! ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 717 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 15198 invoked by uid 7770); 11 Jul 1999 14:17:48 -0000 Received: from qh.egroups.com (HELO qh.findmail.com) (10.1.2.28) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 11 Jul 1999 14:17:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 21223 invoked from network); 11 Jul 1999 14:17:48 -0000 Received: from mout00.kundenserver.de (195.20.224.69) by qh.egroups.com with SMTP; 11 Jul 1999 14:17:48 -0000 Received: from [195.20.224.67] (helo=mx00.kundenserver.de) by mout00.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 113KQN-00038e-00; Sun, 11 Jul 1999 16:17:47 +0200 Received: from [212.122.135.180] (helo=www) by mx00.kundenserver.de with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 113KQK-0003H5-00; Sun, 11 Jul 1999 16:17:45 +0200 Message-ID: <007001becba8$054f9b40$b4877ad4@fen.baynet.de> From: "Frank Kasper" To: Cc: "Tazio Carlevaro" , "Edward H. Steve" , "Manfred Magin" , "Hans Stuifbergen" References: <002201becb14$8bae6840$87aa51d4@fen.baynet.de> <3787C73C.3173@cantv.net> Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 15:28:46 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Subject: [ido] Re La elektronika Ido-revueyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Kara amiki, kara amiko Daniel! Me kordialege dankas a Daniel pro lua rapida reago koncerne mea hiera mesajo ad "Idolisto". Regretinde lu esas la sola idolistolano, qua reagis til nun, quankam l'afero dil elektronika Ido-revuo segun mea opiniono devabus efektigar l'atenco ed intereso che omna membri di nia elektronika Ido-forumo, ma me semblante eroras. Me adminime intencas enretigor anke la sequante numeri di "Letro Internaciona" segun la permiso dil kreinto dil originalo, nia kara amiko Jean Martignon. Me tre esperas, ke la sequanta numero editeskos e transsendeskos dum julio. Kompreneble vu tamen anke future povos abonar "Letro Internaciona" por sustenar tale la valoroza laboro da Jean Martignon. Me volunte anke pozos plusa Ido-revui aden la nova interret-tereno: http://www.elektrona-idorevueyo.purespace.de ma me prezente ne havas projeto. La maxim apta segun mea opiniono e l'opinioni d'altri esus krear nova elektronika Ido-revuo. Tale on forsan povus enretigar revueto, quo nur kontenas poemi, qui recente kreeskis o future kreeskos da idolistolani. Por realizar ta propozo me volunte recevus la permiso da l'autoro quale Marteno Lavalea, Tom Wood ,Zmicier Lapcionak, Hans Stuifbergen ed Ulf Wimann. La permiso da Gon�alo Neves me ya recevis ante kelka semani. Volunte me anke enretigus la nova Afrikana Ido-revueto por ke vi omni povus lektar ol, ma me nek recevis la revuo nek irga altra vivo-signo da nia Afrikana amiko Francois Hounsounou, la editero dil revuo depos mezo di januaro. Me nun tre vartas via komenti. Kordiala saluti a vi omni sendas Frank Kasper frank.kasper@idolinguo.de ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 718 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 10929 invoked by uid 7770); 11 Jul 1999 16:11:17 -0000 Received: from qg.egroups.com (HELO qg.findmail.com) (10.1.2.27) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 11 Jul 1999 16:11:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 16004 invoked from network); 11 Jul 1999 16:11:17 -0000 Received: from mout00.kundenserver.de (195.20.224.69) by qg.egroups.com with SMTP; 11 Jul 1999 16:11:17 -0000 Received: from [195.20.224.67] (helo=mx00.kundenserver.de) by mout00.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 113MCA-0000w5-00; Sun, 11 Jul 1999 18:11:14 +0200 Received: from [212.122.138.82] (helo=www) by mx00.kundenserver.de with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 113MC1-0006MY-00; Sun, 11 Jul 1999 18:11:05 +0200 Message-ID: <000001becbb7$dad999a0$528a7ad4@fen.baynet.de> From: "Frank Kasper" To: "Hans Stuifbergen" , Cc: "Edward H. Steve" , "Manfred Magin" , "Tazio Carlevaro" References: Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 16:35:21 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Subject: [ido] Re: POLL: elektronika Ido-revuo kun poemi Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kara amiki! Me jus apertis nova votado che Idolisto: Ka ni volas krear elektronika Ido-revueto kun poemi? ---- Voluntez selektar un de la sequanta posiblesi : o Yes o No irante a la sequanta interret-adreso: http://www.egroups.com/vote?id=931702406232 Danko! frank.kasper@idolinguo.de ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 719 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 10937 invoked by uid 7770); 11 Jul 1999 16:11:17 -0000 Received: from qh.egroups.com (HELO qh.findmail.com) (10.1.2.28) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 11 Jul 1999 16:11:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 5494 invoked from network); 11 Jul 1999 16:11:17 -0000 Received: from mout00.kundenserver.de (195.20.224.69) by qh.egroups.com with SMTP; 11 Jul 1999 16:11:17 -0000 Received: from [195.20.224.67] (helo=mx00.kundenserver.de) by mout00.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 113MC9-0000w0-00; Sun, 11 Jul 1999 18:11:13 +0200 Received: from [212.122.138.82] (helo=www) by mx00.kundenserver.de with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 113MC2-0006MY-00; Sun, 11 Jul 1999 18:11:07 +0200 Message-ID: <000101becbb7$dbe627a0$528a7ad4@fen.baynet.de> From: "Frank Kasper" To: "Hans Stuifbergen" , "Zeno" , "Idolisto (Mesaji)" Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 16:39:04 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Subject: [ido] Re. Rezulti dil Votado "Ka ni devez krear novajgrupi che Usenet" Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00B2_01BECBBB.E34DC440" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ------=_NextPart_000_00B2_01BECBBB.E34DCC440 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" content-transfer-encoding: 7bit content-type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Kara amiko Zeno, kara amiki! Me jus klozis la voteyo, ibe on dum kelka monati povis decidar, ka ni volas krear Ido-novajgrupi che Usenet o ne. Sequas la fina rezulto dil votado, qua devus inspirigar nia samideano Zeno agar e krear la Ido-novajgrupo che Usenet. Kordiala saluti sendas Frank Kasper frank.kasper@idolinguo.de Here are the results of the vote: Yen la rezulti dil votado: Yes guenter.anton@idolinguo.de frank.kasper@01019freenet.de esperantomarten@rocketmail.com pharris@jimbeam.co.uk antoni.myszakowski@idolinguo.de dmitri_laptsionak@epam.com jacques.bol@idolinguo.de joser@lander.es jean.martignon@idolinguo.de thomw@webtv.net Ido.Info@zap.A2000.nl narcar@sis.it alfred.neussner@01019freenet.de poedan@ip.pt eberhard.scholz@idolinguo.de takata@h.primo.co.jp zeno@deltanet.com Ecepte la mencionita ibe voteri ya en l'unesma votado ok Idolistolani votis per "Yes". Konseque 25 Idolistolani votis per "Yes" e nulu per "No". ----- See the results at Regardez la rezulti ye http://www.egroups.com/vote?vid=idolisto ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications ------=_NextPart_000_00B2_01BECBBB.E34DCC440-- From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 720 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 16371 invoked by uid 7770); 11 Jul 1999 17:18:03 -0000 Received: from qh.egroups.com (HELO qh.findmail.com) (10.1.2.28) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 11 Jul 1999 17:18:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 16459 invoked from network); 11 Jul 1999 17:18:03 -0000 Received: from new.sis.it (HELO dipobox.sis.it) (193.70.16.253) by qh.egroups.com with SMTP; 11 Jul 1999 17:18:03 -0000 Received: from lizard [193.70.17.52] with smtp by dipobox.sis.it with smtp (Smail-3.2.0.103 1998-Oct-9 #4 #4) id m113NFK-000R6BC; Sun, 11 Jul 1999 19:18:34 +0200 (MEST) Message-Id: Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 19:18:34 +0200 (MEST) X-Sender: narcar@mailserver.sis.it X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 To: idolisto@egroups.com From: Carlo Nardini Subject: [ido] editar per reto Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kara Frank Kasper, me irabas a l'adreso http://www.elektrona-idorevueyo.purespace.de La pagini atingesas, ed aspektas atraktive. Li bezonas retushi, segun me: sen la volvajo (scrolling) vua nomo es parte kovrita per la suba fenestro; la linki*, partigita en du linei, semblas esar quar, vice du. Me ne komprenas tre bone la projeto pri elektronika Ido-revueto. Quo esas? Segun mea opiniono, la retala publikigo di ula verko devus esar prefere suplementala, ne alternativa a la paperala imprimuro. Kordiale Carlo Nardini ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 721 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@eGroups.com Received: (qmail 22941 invoked by uid 7770); 12 Jul 1999 01:12:47 -0000 Received: from qh.egroups.com (HELO qh.findmail.com) (10.1.2.28) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 12 Jul 1999 01:12:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 28372 invoked from network); 12 Jul 1999 01:12:47 -0000 Received: from mu.egroups.com (207.138.41.151) by qh.egroups.com with SMTP; 12 Jul 1999 01:12:47 -0000 Received: from [10.1.2.5] by mu.egroups.com with NNFMP; 12 Jul 1999 02:12:47 -0000 Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 18:12:41 -0700 From: aneilson@zip.com.au To: idolisto@eGroups.com Message-ID: <7mbfe9$rttf@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <000101becbb7$dbe627a0$528a7ad4@fen.baynet.de> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.74 X-Mailer: www.eGroups.com Message Poster Subject: [ido] Re: Re. Rezulti dil Votado "Ka ni devez krear novajgrupi che Usenet" Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Sequas la fina rezulto dil votado, qua devus inspirigar nia samideano Zeno > agar e krear la Ido-novajgrupo che Usenet. > > Yen la rezulti dil votado: > > 25 Idolistolani votis per "Yes" e nulu per "No". > Vu povas adjuntar mea nomo al listo. Me jus divenis membro de Idolisto ma entuziasmus mem plu pri novaj-grupo en Usenet. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 722 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 7558 invoked by uid 7770); 12 Jul 1999 09:10:36 -0000 Received: from qg.egroups.com (HELO qg.findmail.com) (10.1.2.27) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 12 Jul 1999 09:10:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 23299 invoked from network); 12 Jul 1999 09:10:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO epmsa001.ep.minsk.by) (194.226.122.227) by qg.egroups.com with SMTP; 12 Jul 1999 09:10:36 -0000 Received: by epmsa001.ep.minsk.by with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 12:08:54 +0300 Message-ID: <8D76D48EDDD3D211AC3000A0C98212E703A865@epmsa001.ep.minsk.by> From: "Dmitri P. Laptsionak" To: 'IDOLISTO' Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 12:08:49 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Subject: [ido] Re: POLL: elektronika Ido-revuo kun poemi Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Saluto! Estimata Frank Kasper. Yes, me volas ke existez elektronika Ido-revuo. Ol enhavez divers artikli, poemi, naracuri, humuraji, novaji. Kun granda plezuro me helpus a vu ca-relate. Me donas permiso uzar irga materialo de (e da) me, aparinta en Idolisto. Zmicier ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 723 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 9121 invoked by uid 7770); 12 Jul 1999 09:14:17 -0000 Received: from qg.egroups.com (HELO qg.findmail.com) (10.1.2.27) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 12 Jul 1999 09:14:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 23767 invoked from network); 12 Jul 1999 09:14:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO epmsa001.ep.minsk.by) (194.226.122.227) by qg.egroups.com with SMTP; 12 Jul 1999 09:14:14 -0000 Received: by epmsa001.ep.minsk.by with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 12:12:54 +0300 Message-ID: <8D76D48EDDD3D211AC3000A0C98212E703A866@epmsa001.ep.minsk.by> From: "Dmitri P. Laptsionak" To: 'IDOLISTO' Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 12:12:45 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Subject: [ido] Ido ed Esperanto ed UniversalLinguo Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Saluti Yen mea opinioni pri la subjekto. Ed Ido ed Esperanto esas "netushebla". Dum plu kam 70 yari amba lingui ne havis amendi en la gramatiki. Ed Ido ed Esperanto varias = plugrandeskas, kreskas. Konstante aparas nova vorti. Ultempe nova sufixi. (Esperanto prenas li ek Ido :-) Amba havas bona traiti. Me ne povas dicar, qua linguo esas plu facila por lernar. (Me unesme studiis Esperanto e pose Ido.) Por uzar praktike Ido esas por me plu facila, exakta ed agreabla. Nuntempe la maxim konocata inter planita, konstruktita lingui esas, sendube, Esperanto. Se *enketar homi "Pri qua interlingui vu savas?" preske omnu dicos Esperanto. Pri altra dicos nur ti, qui ja savas pri Esperanto. Do ol esas ne simple linguo propozita da Zamenhof, ol esas por nuna mondo simbolo e nomo por omna interlinguo. Do por felicigar la mondo, por faciligar olua komunikado, necesesas (segun mea humila opiniono): 1. Omnu savez, ke existado ed uzado di (ula) interlinguo esas "panaceo por omna felico". 2. Omnu decidez, ke ni uzez (ula) interlinguo. 3. Ankore-foye maxim talenta ciencisti kunvenez e selektez qua inter le existanta meritas. Forsan to esos Esperanto, forsan pos tot-monda uzado Esperantisti aceptos maxim importanta chanji, ja facita en Ido, ma povas esar la ciencisti prenos Ido ja facita reformita Esperanto. Me ankore influata da "interna ideo" opinionas, ke ver-vere ne tre gravas, qua linguo vinkos. Irgu vinkez! Ya me pensas ke multa problemi ed konflikti ne existos, se homi komprenos plu bone un altra. Por vinko di Ido, ni omni devas unesme reklamar nia linguo. Me ja dicis, ke en Internet existas multa pagini kun listi di diversa lingui. En kelka esas *linki ad Esperanto-tereni. Do me ankore-foye pregas: ta qua posedas en Internet irga informo pri Ido, propozes sua adresi a mastri di la listi. Se vu ne povas trovar ta listi, me serchos ed savigos: "Yen esas mastri, qua povas enlistigi nia linguo". Zmicier ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 724 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 20497 invoked by uid 7770); 12 Jul 1999 09:41:03 -0000 Received: from qg.egroups.com (HELO qg.findmail.com) (10.1.2.27) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 12 Jul 1999 09:41:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 27269 invoked from network); 12 Jul 1999 09:41:03 -0000 Received: from spartacus.a2000.nl (HELO smtp2.a2000.nl) (62.108.1.20) by qg.egroups.com with SMTP; 12 Jul 1999 09:41:03 -0000 Received: from node118d7.a2000.nl ([24.132.24.215] helo=HansStuifbergen) by smtp2.a2000.nl with smtp (Exim 2.02 #4) id 113cX7-0000QE-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 11:37:57 +0200 Message-ID: <000701becc4b$529591e0$d7188418@HansStuifbergen.a2000.nl> From: "Ido-Info" To: "idolisto" Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 11:45:48 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Subject: [ido] Ha, nova membro Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ha nova membro ANEILSON (A. Neilson, me supozas, ka?) Esez tre bon-venanta che 'idolisto'.Sempre es joyo lektar nova nomo. Frank tre probable anke lektos vua mesajo, ed inkluzos vua 'yes' en rezulto di la voto. Se vua Ido jus es lernita, lore es tre bona. Por vua informo, yen adresi de librerii e revui: http://www.angelfire.com/id/Avance/Librerii.html http://www.angelfire.com/id/Avance/REVUI.html Saluti amikala, Hans Stuifbergen, Amsterdam ************************************************************* >Ido, linguo internaciona, absolute vizitez: http://members.tripod.com/~avancigado + nova + nova + nova + nova + nova + nova + nova LA HERISONI, rakonteto desegnita, da Rymke che: http://www.angelfire.com/id/Avance/TiaListo1.html ************************************************************* ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 725 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 22050 invoked by uid 7770); 12 Jul 1999 09:44:28 -0000 Received: from qh.egroups.com (HELO qh.findmail.com) (10.1.2.28) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 12 Jul 1999 09:44:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 16383 invoked from network); 12 Jul 1999 09:44:28 -0000 Received: from law-f110.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (209.185.131.173) by qh.egroups.com with SMTP; 12 Jul 1999 09:44:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 69003 invoked by uid 0); 12 Jul 1999 09:44:28 -0000 Message-ID: <19990712094428.69002.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 159.15.128.3 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 02:44:27 PDT From: "James Chandler" To: idolisto@egroups.com Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 09:44:27 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] mesaji de T Wood Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kar amiki e kara Tom Wood La listo aceptas mesaji nur del adreso per qua la membro abonis. Se ulu probas sendar mesajo de altra adreso, la listo mustas referar ol al administranti ante ke ol povas dissendar ol. Kara sro Wood, vu probas sendar mesajo de nenormal adreso. Prego, se posibla, sendez ol de vua normal adreso. Se vu ne povas, forsan vu devas riabonar per la nov adreso, o kontaktez me e me esforcos helpar. Danko. (La restrikto existas por preventar nemembri sendar nedezirata mesaji a la listo, quo povus jenar la membri.) Kordiale, James Chandler idojc@hotmail.com http://yi.com/home/ChandlerJames http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Forum/5037 ______________________________________________________ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 726 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 9324 invoked by uid 7770); 12 Jul 1999 10:29:33 -0000 Received: from qg.egroups.com (HELO qg.findmail.com) (10.1.2.27) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 12 Jul 1999 10:29:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 1143 invoked from network); 12 Jul 1999 10:29:34 -0000 Received: from spartacus.a2000.nl (HELO smtp2.a2000.nl) (62.108.1.20) by qg.egroups.com with SMTP; 12 Jul 1999 10:29:34 -0000 Received: from node118d7.a2000.nl ([24.132.24.215] helo=HansStuifbergen) by smtp2.a2000.nl with smtp (Exim 2.02 #4) id 113d9z-0002Me-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 12:18:07 +0200 Message-ID: <002d01becc50$ef3301e0$d7188418@HansStuifbergen.a2000.nl> From: "Ido-Info" To: "idolisto" Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 12:25:58 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Subject: [ido] L' elektronika Ido-revueyo Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kar amiki, kara Frank, Surprizite e kun granda plezuro me spektis tua pagini "elektronika Ido-revueyo". Ol aspektas tre bone e bele, me tre komplimentas tu. Me tre prizas la bela Ido-stelo/simbolo quan tu uzis. Ka anke me povas uzar ol? Ube me ol trovas? Saluti amikala, Hans St. ************************************************************* >Ido, linguo internaciona, absolute vizitez: http://members.tripod.com/~avancigado + nova + nova + nova + nova + nova + nova + nova LA HERISONI, rakonteto desegnita, da Rymke che: http://www.angelfire.com/id/Avance/TiaListo1.html ************************************************************* ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 727 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@eGroups.com Received: (qmail 20107 invoked by uid 7770); 12 Jul 1999 18:24:04 -0000 Received: from qg.egroups.com (HELO qg.findmail.com) (10.1.2.27) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 12 Jul 1999 18:24:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 4848 invoked from network); 12 Jul 1999 18:24:02 -0000 Received: from mu.egroups.com (207.138.41.151) by qg.egroups.com with SMTP; 12 Jul 1999 18:24:02 -0000 Received: from [10.1.2.15] by mu.egroups.com with NNFMP; 12 Jul 1999 19:24:02 -0000 Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 11:23:58 -0700 From: idolinguo@geocities.com To: idolisto@eGroups.com Message-ID: <7mdbru$5ceu@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.74 X-Mailer: www.eGroups.com Message Poster Subject: [ido] L' elektronika Ido-revueyo Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kara amiki Me vidis la nova pagino da sioro Frank Kasper e me multege gratulas lu pro ica grava laboro. Me sempre prizas vidar homi uzar la linguo internaciona divers-skope, precipue por literaturo e mem komixi*! On remarkos ke mea interreta vizitado ne esas omnadia. Me tamen povas lektar la mesaji danke komunuma centro en Montrealo en Hochelaga-Maisonneuve ube me facis mea stajo e nun senpage laboras dum deko di hori semane. Maxim amike vin salutas, Martin ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 728 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 25598 invoked by uid 7770); 12 Jul 1999 22:02:21 -0000 Received: from qh.egroups.com (HELO qh.findmail.com) (10.1.2.28) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 12 Jul 1999 22:02:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 6949 invoked from network); 12 Jul 1999 22:02:20 -0000 Received: from farida.a2000.nl (HELO smtp1.a2000.nl) (62.108.1.19) by qh.egroups.com with SMTP; 12 Jul 1999 22:02:20 -0000 Received: from node118d7.a2000.nl ([24.132.24.215] helo=HansStuifbergen) by smtp1.a2000.nl with smtp (Exim 2.02 #4) id 113nYF-0007IA-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 23:23:51 +0200 Message-ID: <000d01beccad$f0feee00$d7188418@HansStuifbergen.a2000.nl> From: "Ido-Info" To: "idolisto" Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 23:31:44 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Subject: [ido] tranquileso Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Quala tranquileso che 'idolisto'. Kad anke pro la varmeso? Morge me es libera, kelke laboros pri gramatikolibro en la Nederlandana, por ke ol povas esar imprimata e se restas varma, mem varmega, lore me natos en extera nateyo proxim mea domo. Saluti amikala, Hans St. ************************************************************* >Ido, linguo internaciona, absolute vizitez: http://members.tripod.com/~avancigado + nova + nova + nova + nova + nova + nova + nova LA HERISONI, rakonteto desegnita, da Rymke che: http://www.angelfire.com/id/Avance/TiaListo1.html ************************************************************* ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 729 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 26645 invoked by uid 7770); 13 Jul 1999 18:33:16 -0000 Received: from qh.egroups.com (HELO qh.findmail.com) (10.1.2.28) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 13 Jul 1999 18:33:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 1523 invoked from network); 13 Jul 1999 18:33:15 -0000 Received: from mout00.kundenserver.de (195.20.224.69) by qh.egroups.com with SMTP; 13 Jul 1999 18:33:15 -0000 Received: from [195.20.224.68] (helo=mx02.kundenserver.de) by mout00.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 1147Mg-0003Vn-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 20:33:14 +0200 Received: from [212.81.174.208] (helo=www) by mx02.kundenserver.de with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 1147MX-0006VA-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 20:33:05 +0200 Message-ID: <001801becd5e$04480040$d0ae51d4@fen.baynet.de> From: "Frank Kasper" To: References: Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 20:18:13 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Subject: [ido] Re: Mea priojeto krear elektronika Ido-revueto kun poemi Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kara amiki! Me kordialege dankas ad omni, qui komentis mea propozo editar elektronika Ido-revueto kun poemi. Okazione me volas memorigar vi, ke me instalis voteyo koncerne ca afero che egroups! Me ankorfoye pregas vi omni addonar via voto ibe segun l'instruciono sendita a vi omni Anglalingue da la servo "egroups" ed Idolingue da me. Se vu ne sucesus per la propozita voyo voluntez irar ad http://www.egroups.com e de ibe a "My space". Kliktez ibe sur "Polls" e vu atingos la votoloko. Me predankas a vi omni! **************************************************************************** **************** Kara amiko Carlo Nardini! Me parpensos vua propozo retushar la pagini segun vua propozo. La projeto pri elektronika Ido-revueto vizas posiblesigar, ke on anke povas lektar Ido-revuo per l'interreto. Segun la permiso da Jean Martignon me selektis lua belega revueto "Letro Internaciona" por realizar ta projeto. Quale vu tale anke altri pensas, ke on prefere devus krear tota nova revueto por l'interreto vice enretigar paperala revuo. Pro to me propozis krear elektronika Ido-revueto kun poemi. Tamen me anke future enretigos "Letro Internaciona", por ke precipue anke novadheranti per l'interreto, qui timas sendar lia postala adreso a ni, por ke ni povos sendar a li gratuita specimo de Ido-revui, tamen povos lektar adminime un aktuala revuo. **************************************************************************** **************** Kara amiko Zmicier! Me tote konformas kun vu, ke elektrona Ido-revueto anke povus kontenar divers artikli, poemi, naracuri, humuraji, novaji. Omnu povas sendar a me tala verki Vua kunlaboro esos bonvenata che me!! . Kun la maxim kordiala ed amikala saluti a vi omni! Frank Kasper frank.kasper@idolinguo.de ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 730 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 11428 invoked by uid 7770); 13 Jul 1999 18:53:12 -0000 Received: from qh.egroups.com (HELO qh.findmail.com) (10.1.2.28) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 13 Jul 1999 18:53:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 6479 invoked from network); 13 Jul 1999 18:53:12 -0000 Received: from mc-qout4.whowhere.com (209.185.123.18) by qh.egroups.com with SMTP; 13 Jul 1999 18:53:12 -0000 Received: from Unknown/Local ([?.?.?.?]) by angelfire.com; Tue Jul 13 11:53:07 1999 To: idolisto@egroups.com Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 11:53:08 -0700 From: "Hans Stuifbergen" Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Cc: X-Sent-Mail: off X-Expiredinmiddle: true X-Mailer: MailCity Service X-Sender-Ip: 62.108.1.71 Organization: Angelfire (http://email.angelfire.com:80) Subject: [ido] itere, problemi serveriala Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kar amiki, Itere mea serverio es ludanta kun me (e probable altra klienti lia). Olime me povis recevar konstante mesaji per mea serverio. Me nur bezonis klikar "sendar e recevar" por tam sendar kam recevar mesaji (logikoze, ka ne?). Principe me havas 24 hori aceso ad interreto ed e-posto. Nun nur mea interretala programo ankore semblas funcionar sat bone, ma ne l' e-postala programo. Nun ol itere ed itere questionas mea pasvorto, quan me ja fixigis en la programo e ne kontaktas la serverio. Nur kande me desacendas la komputoro, lore ol ja rikontaktas la serverio. Ma me ne povas riacendar e ridesacendar mea komputoro la tota jorno, ka ne. Me es pacienta, quankam desfacile, ma tamen, me konjektas ke es problemo di la serverio quan li devas solvar. Forsan es la varmega temperaturi en Amsterdam. Irgaquale, esez pacientoza pri me, me es dependanta de la serverio. Saluti amikala, Hans St. Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 731 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 3890 invoked by uid 7770); 14 Jul 1999 06:29:38 -0000 Received: from qh.egroups.com (HELO qh.findmail.com) (10.1.2.28) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 14 Jul 1999 06:29:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 28661 invoked from network); 14 Jul 1999 06:29:38 -0000 Received: from mail2.deltanet.com (199.171.190.56) by qh.egroups.com with SMTP; 14 Jul 1999 06:29:38 -0000 Received: from ts001d04.lax-ca.concentric.net (ts001d04.lax-ca.concentric.net [206.173.208.16]) by mail2.deltanet.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id XAA09544 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 23:29:28 -0700 (PDT) From: zeno@deltanet.com (Zeno) To: idolisto@egroups.com Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 06:27:25 GMT Message-ID: <379027c9.75662575@smtp.deltanet.com> References: <000001becbb7$dad999a0$528a7ad4@fen.baynet.de> In-Reply-To: <000001becbb7$dad999a0$528a7ad4@fen.baynet.de> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] Re: POLL: elektronika Ido-revuo kun poemi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ye sundio, 11-ma julio 1999, Frank Kasper skribis: >Me jus apertis nova vo= tado che Idolisto: > >Ka ni volas krear elektronika Ido-revueto kun poemi? = Voluntez pardonar me, ma me ne lektas Idolisto tam multa kam antee. Ka vu= propozas Ido-revueto, qua havas kelka poemi pluse altra kozi, o ka vu prop= ozas revueto, qua havas sola poemi? - Zeno ------------------------------= ------------------------------------------- eGroups.com home: http://www.eg= roups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communi= cations From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 732 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 26584 invoked by uid 7770); 14 Jul 1999 08:09:48 -0000 Received: from qg.egroups.com (HELO qg.findmail.com) (10.1.2.27) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 14 Jul 1999 08:09:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 6455 invoked from network); 14 Jul 1999 08:09:47 -0000 Received: from new.sis.it (HELO dipobox.sis.it) (193.70.16.253) by qg.egroups.com with SMTP; 14 Jul 1999 08:09:47 -0000 Received: from lizard [193.70.17.44] with smtp by dipobox.sis.it with smtp (Smail-3.2.0.103 1998-Oct-9 #4 #4) id m114K6u-000R6kC; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 10:09:48 +0200 (MEST) Message-Id: Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 10:09:48 +0200 (MEST) X-Sender: narcar@mailserver.sis.it (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 To: idolisto@egroups.com From: Carlo Nardini Subject: [ido] Akademio Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Kar amiki, me konkordas kun Hans Stuifbergen e James Chandler (ank Eric = Dickens ?) pri la neceseso havar expert-grupo, decidanta linguala question= i. Unike, la nomo "Akademio" (kun sua derivita "Akademiano") semblas a m= e tro pompoza. Plu modesta e adequata nomo povus esar exemple "Konsilantar= o", pri grupo kompozita da cirkume un deko de "Konsilanti", ek plura kult= uri e tendenci (konservema, ameliorema* [1] ). La tasko dil grupo devus e= sar precipue, meaopinione: a) stimular e koordinar studii e propozi por l'a= mpligo e la richigo dil vortaro; decidar pri la provizora adopto di la nov= a radiki propozita; b) furnisar oficala o mi-oficala klarigo pri problemi = gramatikala (exemple, pri duba uzo di prepozicioni o afixi); c) experiment= ar, se suficante racionala, anke marjinala e provizora retushi a la gramat= iko, savante ke Ido es tre harmonioza konstrukturo, elaborita* [2] dum plur= a yari da granda linguisti, e ke malpensita chanji povas havar neprevidita= detrimentoza efekti kolaterala (persone, me es presorgante ameliorema*, a= bsolute ne reformema). La "Konsilanti", esas superflua dicar , mustas kon= ocar la linguo Ido optime*, t.e. plu kam bone: li mustas prizesar per skri= bir artikli o poezii o lernolibri, per tradukir e.c. (Pasante, ito exkluz= as exemple me de la nombro dil kandidati). La bazi di ca "Konsilantaro" d= evus segun me pozesor en Agosto, en Neviges, da la partoprenanti la idala = renkontro. Me propozas ke, ante la renkontro, la nepartoprenanti quale me = povas delegar altru votar vice li, kaze ke eventos kelka votado en Nevige= s carelate. --- [1] ameliorar 1958: igar plu bona, bonigar; D bessern; E = to ameliorate [improve tr.]; F am=E9liorer; I migliorare; S mejorar. [ek '= Lexiko di Nova Vorti', da Camiel de Cock] [2] elaborar 1931: produktar per= laboro, precipue pri mentala produkturi, a qui on aplikas diligenteso e s= orgo; D ausarbeiten; E to elaborate; F =E9laborer; I elaborare; S elaborar= . [ek 'Lexiko di Nova Vorti', da Camiel de Cock] --- Kordiale = Carlo Nardini -----------------------------------------------------= ------------------- eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolist= o http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 733 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 19542 invoked by uid 7770); 14 Jul 1999 09:05:06 -0000 Received: from qg.egroups.com (HELO qg.findmail.com) (10.1.2.27) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 14 Jul 1999 09:05:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 14136 invoked from network); 14 Jul 1999 09:05:06 -0000 Received: from mail2.deltanet.com (199.171.190.56) by qg.egroups.com with SMTP; 14 Jul 1999 09:05:06 -0000 Received: from ts001d04.lax-ca.concentric.net (ts001d04.lax-ca.concentric.net [206.173.208.16]) by mail2.deltanet.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id CAA08304 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 02:04:56 -0700 (PDT) From: zeno@deltanet.com (Zeno) To: idolisto@egroups.com Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 09:02:51 GMT Message-ID: <37954dea.85425076@smtp.deltanet.com> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] Re: editar per reto Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ye sundio, 11-ma julio 1999, Carlo Nardini skribis: > me irabas a l= 'adreso > >http://www.elektrona-idorevueyo.purespace.de > > La pagin= i atingesas, ed aspektas atraktive. > Li bezonas retushi, segun me: = sen la volvajo (scrolling) >vua nomo es parte kovrita per la suba fenestro= ; la linki*, partigita >en du linei, semblas esar quar, vice du. Homi o p= rizegas kadri od odias kadri. Uzante mea regardilo, kande me pozas mea kur= soro super la lineo, qua separas la du kadri, mea kursoro chanjas aden figu= ro, qua havas du flecho-pinti, un qua apuntas supere ed un qua apuntas infr= e. Kande me tenas mea musbutono sinistra e tranas la lineo supere od infre= , me povas facar sive la supra fenestro sive la infra fenestro okupar presk= e la tota skreno. Lore me povas lektar la una o la altra facile. Ka vua r= egardilo povas facar ito? - Zeno ----------------------------------------= -------------------------------- eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/= group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications = From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 734 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 23570 invoked by uid 7770); 14 Jul 1999 09:12:28 -0000 Received: from qg.egroups.com (HELO qg.findmail.com) (10.1.2.27) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 14 Jul 1999 09:12:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 15396 invoked from network); 14 Jul 1999 09:12:29 -0000 Received: from out2.minitel.net (HELO gmailint2.globalmail.net) (193.252.91.11) by qg.egroups.com with SMTP; 14 Jul 1999 09:12:29 -0000 Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 11:12:27 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199907140912.LAA07938@gmailint2.globalmail.net> From: jeanmartignon@minitel.net (JEAN MARTIGNON) To: idolisto@egroups.com (IDOLISTO) MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] Konsilantaro Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Kara cibernauti, Me aprobas la ideo di s-ro Nardini ke vice Akademio devus existar linguala konsilantaro e ne Akademio. Segun me, la konsilantaro devus rekomendar ula vorti e deskonsilar altri, ma ne havar decido-povo. La decido sempre apartenas a la uzanti e ne ad Akademio o konsilantaro. Omnakaze esas tro frua por krear tal organismo, nam ni mustas avan omno krear (o rikrear) literatur(et)o por provizar solida bazo a nia idiomo. Iton ne povas facar Akademio. Cetere, onu ne povas dicar ke pos la formaco-tempo (1908-1913), l'anciena Akademio di Ido facis tre bona laboro. Mankis la inteligenteso, sagaceso ed autoritato di Couturat. Me tre astonesas ke ye l'auroro dil XXIma yarcento, yuna homi konservas penso-maniero dil XIXma yarcento e volas rifondar institicuri qui pruvesis nevalida e ne-utila por nia linguo. Esas multe plu utila : laborar. Me redaktis verketo pri cienco-fiktivajo e me intencas editigar olu. Omni ti qui volas laborar por la linguo devus agar same, ne koakte per cienco-fiktivaji, ma per poezii, per naraci pri voyaji, historiala naraci, amoro-fiktivaji, detektiv-romani edc. Tale aparos propra Idala kulturo. Ma decidi di Akademio, sen libri, sen moyeni e sur bazo tote abstrakta esus perfekta ridindajo... Ankorefoye laborar devas ni e ne abstrakte e senfine diskutar. Kordiala ciberspacala saluti. jeanmartignon@minitel.net ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 735 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@eGroups.com Received: (qmail 1718 invoked by uid 7770); 14 Jul 1999 09:37:08 -0000 Received: from qh.egroups.com (HELO qh.findmail.com) (10.1.2.28) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 14 Jul 1999 09:37:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 24657 invoked from network); 14 Jul 1999 09:37:09 -0000 Received: from mu.egroups.com (207.138.41.151) by qh.egroups.com with SMTP; 14 Jul 1999 09:37:09 -0000 Received: from [10.1.2.5] by mu.egroups.com with NNFMP; 14 Jul 1999 10:37:09 -0000 Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 02:37:09 -0700 From: lnglvches@hotmail.com To: idolisto@eGroups.com Message-ID: <7mhlo5$at94@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <199907140912.LAA07938@gmailint2.globalmail.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.74 X-Mailer: www.eGroups.com Message Poster Subject: [ido] Re: Konsilantaro Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Me konsentas kun Sro Martigno. Unesme, literaturo. To vivigos e pluvivigos la movado. Quankam *planizita linguo, Ido mustas esar vivanta linguo unesme. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 736 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 23095 invoked by uid 7770); 14 Jul 1999 15:25:43 -0000 Received: from qg.egroups.com (HELO qg.findmail.com) (10.1.2.27) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 14 Jul 1999 15:25:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 27201 invoked from network); 14 Jul 1999 15:25:42 -0000 Received: from mout00.kundenserver.de (195.20.224.69) by qg.egroups.com with SMTP; 14 Jul 1999 15:25:42 -0000 Received: from [195.20.224.68] (helo=mx02.kundenserver.de) by mout00.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 114Quj-0001w5-00; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 17:25:41 +0200 Received: from [212.81.174.148] (helo=www) by mx02.kundenserver.de with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 114Qud-0006mY-00; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 17:25:35 +0200 Message-ID: <007601bece0c$fd1b3260$94ae51d4@fen.baynet.de> From: "Frank Kasper" To: Cc: "Hans Stuifbergen" , "Hans Stuifbergen (Angelfire)" , "Hans Stuifbergen (Fax-Server)" References: Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 16:24:57 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Subject: [ido] Re: problemi serveriala Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kara amiki, kara Hans! Me sendas ica mesajo ad "Idolisto", a la du e-postala adresi da Hans ed a lua fax-numero por certigar, ke lu adminime u foyo recevas ol. Regretinde semblante omna e-postala servi trublesas fde tempo a tempo. On devas remarkar regardante la membrolisto che "Idolisto", ke apud kelka e-postala adresi trovesas la vorto "Bouncing" vice la vorto "active", quo segun mea experienci signifikas, ke egroups "remarkis", ke ol ne povas transsendar mesaji a ta adresi.Exemple ca problemo regretinde preske permanente montreskas che "Hotmail . Pro to exemple Don Gasper e Marteno Lavalea chanjis lia e-postala adreso e riabonas ad Idolisto Me devas konstatar, ke me mem anke ya dufoye experiencis ca problemo kun mea nuna e-postala adreso e mem kun de tempo a tempo kun mea altra e-post-faki, ma ol sempre solveskis pos kelka hori o du dii. Che la servo on anke ne povis dicar a me, quo esas la kauzo di ca problemo ed on probis trovar l'eroro e trovis nula. Segun mea opiniono la chefa kauzo por ta trubladi esas, ke la serveri durante testas nova molvaro por "plubonigar" la sistemi, quo ankore ne esas funcionata e certe parte nultempe funcionos. Kordiala saluti a vi omni sendas Frank Kasper L# unika posibleso esus protestar kontre tala agado ed esar pacienta til ke la servo itere funcionas frank.kasper@idolinguo.de ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 737 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 3339 invoked by uid 7770); 14 Jul 1999 15:39:25 -0000 Received: from qg.egroups.com (HELO qg.findmail.com) (10.1.2.27) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 14 Jul 1999 15:39:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 30704 invoked from network); 14 Jul 1999 15:39:24 -0000 Received: from smtp03.wxs.nl (195.121.6.37) by qg.egroups.com with SMTP; 14 Jul 1999 15:39:24 -0000 Received: from pc ([195.121.58.198]) by smtp03.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with SMTP id AAA1CF8 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 17:39:20 +0200 Message-ID: <000a01bece0e$aeebb720$c63a79c3@pc> From: "Eric Dickens" To: "idolisto" Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 17:36:10 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Subject: [ido] expert-grupo Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit 14. julio 1999 Kar amiki, Yes, me konkordas kun Stuifbergen / Chandler / Nardini, ke es necesa krear expert-grupo. La nomo "akademio" es forsan tro obsoleta e pompoza. La tri taski, qua Sro Nardini deskriptas, semblas tre racionoza. Me ne havas nun multa tempo skribar - me devas tradukar kontrato en l'Angla ek l'Estona. Saluti, Eric Dickens ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 738 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 28552 invoked by uid 7770); 14 Jul 1999 18:33:28 -0000 Received: from qg.egroups.com (HELO qg.findmail.com) (10.1.2.27) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 14 Jul 1999 18:33:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 14457 invoked from network); 14 Jul 1999 18:33:26 -0000 Received: from mout00.kundenserver.de (195.20.224.69) by qg.egroups.com with SMTP; 14 Jul 1999 18:33:26 -0000 Received: from [195.20.224.68] (helo=mx02.kundenserver.de) by mout00.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 114TqO-0008SE-00; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 20:33:24 +0200 Received: from [212.122.135.83] (helo=www) by mx02.kundenserver.de with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 114TqJ-0003Cw-00; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 20:33:19 +0200 Message-ID: <001101bece27$36fab900$53877ad4@fen.baynet.de> From: "Frank Kasper" To: "Manfred Magin" , "Idolisto (Mesaji)" , "James Chandler" , "Hans Stuifbergen (Angelfire)" , "Hans Stuifbergen (Fax-Server)" Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 20:19:05 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Subject: [ido] Atenco!! Viruso!! Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0005_01BECE36.1EF54960" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01BECE36.1EF544960 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" content-transfer-encoding: 7bit content-type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Kara amiki! Me volas sendar a vi urjanta avizo. Me hodie recevis vakua e-postala mesajo kun adjuntita indiko nomizita "Happy99.exe". Kande me volis stokigar ta indiko sur mea harddisko por apertigar ol plu tarde mea "Anti-Virus"-programo avizis a me, ke ta indiko kontenas viruso. Pro to me pregas omni, qui recevas mesajo kun la mencionita indiko nek stokigar ta indiko nek apertigar ol, ma quik eskartar la tota mesajo e klozar l'e-postala programo. Voluntez atencar ristartonte l'e-postala programo, ka la mencionita mesajo lore anke ne plus trovesas che la loko "Eskartita objekti". Se vu ankore trovus oibe lore mem voluntez eskartar ol. Kordiala saluti sendas a vi omni! Frank Kasper frank.kasper@idolinguo.de ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01BECE36.1EF544960-- From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 739 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 2349 invoked by uid 7770); 14 Jul 1999 19:55:39 -0000 Received: from qh.egroups.com (HELO qh.findmail.com) (10.1.2.28) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 14 Jul 1999 19:55:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 2391 invoked from network); 14 Jul 1999 19:55:38 -0000 Received: from out1.minitel.net (HELO gmailint1.globalmail.net) (193.252.91.10) by qh.egroups.com with SMTP; 14 Jul 1999 19:55:38 -0000 Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 21:55:36 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199907141955.VAA13221@gmailint1.globalmail.net> From: jeanmartignon@minitel.net (JEAN MARTIGNON) To: idolisto@egroups.com (IDOLISTO) MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] Virusi, minitel Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Kara cibernauti, Per mea mikra aparato "minitel" me ne povas acesar ad omna posiblesi di la Telo, ma me povas adherar a forumi e kambiar mesaji kun la altra membri. Tamen me havas granda avantajo, me nule timas virusi. Li ne povas enirar "minitel" qua esas tro simpla e primitiva aparato por li. Do, forsan esus plu saja por la maxim multa retani konoceskar "minitel" e renuncar pri tro perfektigita komputeri (*) ed adoptar plu primitiva ma plu sekura minitelo (*). Kun kordiala minitelista saluti. jeanmartignon@minitel.net ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 740 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 8053 invoked by uid 7770); 14 Jul 1999 22:40:15 -0000 Received: from qh.egroups.com (HELO qh.findmail.com) (10.1.2.28) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 14 Jul 1999 22:40:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 7357 invoked from network); 14 Jul 1999 22:40:12 -0000 Received: from ncc3.infomail.es (HELO infomail.es) (194.224.53.142) by qh.egroups.com with SMTP; 14 Jul 1999 22:40:12 -0000 Received: from unknown ([193.153.208.181]) by infomail.es (Tid InfoMail Exchanger v2.20) with SMTP id #931991922.223460001; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 00:38:42 +0200 From: xavo@bbvnet.com To: idolisto@egroups.com Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 22:41:07 GMT Message-ID: <378d26f1.2163329@mail.infomail.es> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.01/32.397 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Infomail-Id: 931991922.574A010A81106E.12443 Subject: [ido] Linguala questioni Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Saluti a tuti, Me havas ula dubi pri Idala gramatiko: 1. En Ido ni havas= la sufixi -ul- ed -in- por derivar maskula ed femina substantivi de un vor= to. Exemple: bonulo: bona viro bonino (Emma :) : bona muliero Ma quale ni= derivas simple "bona persono" (sensexe)? Boniero? (nam "bono" ne es specif= e homa). 2. Segun la gramatiko, per -o on derivas aktala substantivo de ve= rba radiko. Ma quale ni expresas la abstrakta koncepto? Exemple: danso: akt= o dansar Ma quale ni referas ad la danso kom homala aktiveso? Ka ni devos i= nventar kompozita vorto (exemple "dansarto" o simile), o havar -o vorti kom= polisemia? Same me questionas pri voto (akto od instrumento), makulo, pluv= o, ec. 3. La sufixo -al-. Lua generala senso se me ne eroras es "relatata = kun" o "havata da" o simple "di". Ma che certena vorti ta senso ne es respe= ktata. Exemple "universala" (kp. "universala kongreso") ne signifikas "rela= tata kun la universo" o "havata da ol," o "di ol". Olu on uzas segun la (ne= logika) europala kustumo. Same "normala", qua ne signifikas "di la normo" m= a "segun la normo". Ka -al- havas plura diferanta signifiki? O ka universal= -, normal-, ec, devus esar konsiderata kom aparta radiki, same kam animal-,= oval-...? Predanko pro la respondi. Saludos, Marcos ------------------= ------------------------------------------------------- eGroups.com home: h= ttp://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying g= roup communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 741 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 10118 invoked by uid 7770); 15 Jul 1999 04:45:26 -0000 Received: from qg.egroups.com (HELO qg.findmail.com) (10.1.2.27) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 15 Jul 1999 04:45:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 26522 invoked from network); 15 Jul 1999 04:45:25 -0000 Received: from mout00.kundenserver.de (195.20.224.69) by qg.egroups.com with SMTP; 15 Jul 1999 04:45:25 -0000 Received: from [195.20.224.68] (helo=mx02.kundenserver.de) by mout00.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 114dOd-00003x-00; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 06:45:23 +0200 Received: from [212.81.175.18] (helo=www) by mx02.kundenserver.de with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 114dOY-0005D4-00; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 06:45:19 +0200 Message-ID: <000801bece7c$b4f3dda0$12af51d4@fen.baynet.de> From: "Frank Kasper" To: "Manfred Magin" , "Idolisto (Mesaji)" Cc: "Morten Svendsen" , "Hans Stuifbergen (Fax-Server)" , "Edward H. Steve" , "Donald Gasper (Fax)" Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 06:43:06 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Subject: [ido] Re: Nihiligo di la Ido-konfero en Neviges Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0005_01BECE8D.4B3F41E0" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01BECE8D.4B3F441E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" content-transfer-encoding: 7bit content-type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Kara amiki! Kun grandega regreto me devas transsendar a vi la sequanta mesajo da la sekretario dil Germana Ido-Societo, Alfred Neussner koncerne la cayara Ido-konfero en Neviges. Frank Kasper frank.kasper@idolinguo.de Deutsche ldo-GeselIschaft e.V. (Germana Ido-societo) Internet: http://www.idolinguo.de Thueringer Str,3 D-37284 Waldkappel Tel.(0049) (0)5656/634 Fax: 1812 Waldkappel, la 14ma si julio 1999 Kara samideani, Pro problemi organizala {manko di suficanta konkreta anunci por la partopreno) ni decidis anuncar la nihiligo di la Ido-konfero en Neviges. Pro ke kelka s-di enuncis la deziro tamen renkontrar altra Idisti, ni aranjos amikala renkontro inter la 7a e 9ma di agosto en la sideyo di la GIS en Waldkappel-Burghofen. (Plu longa sejorno esas posibla.) On povas lojar en privata chambri che vicino por modesta preco ed en la gasteyo di nia vilajo. Anke esas posibla tendumar en nia gardeno. Sincere salutante A.Neussner, sekretario di la Germana Ido-Societo alfred.neussner@idolinguo.de ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01BECE8D.4B3F441E0-- From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 742 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 15871 invoked by uid 7770); 15 Jul 1999 14:27:15 -0000 Received: from qg.egroups.com (HELO qg.findmail.com) (10.1.2.27) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 15 Jul 1999 14:27:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 3936 invoked from network); 15 Jul 1999 14:27:14 -0000 Received: from law-f110.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (209.185.131.173) by qg.egroups.com with SMTP; 15 Jul 1999 14:27:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 24446 invoked by uid 0); 15 Jul 1999 14:27:14 -0000 Message-ID: <19990715142714.24445.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 159.15.128.3 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 07:27:13 PDT From: "James Chandler" To: idolisto@egroups.com Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 14:27:13 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] neevento di konfero Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kar amiki Me sincere regretas la nihiligo di la cayaral konfero en Germania, quan nia germana amiki afable esforcis organizar. Esas regretinda, ke pro problemi diversa, nesuficanta idisti povas anuncar kun certeso sua partopreno. Me esperas ke nextayare ni povos organizar sucesoza plena konfero. Ma intertempe ni devas gratitudar sro Neussner pro lua ofro di amikala renkontro en Neviges dum du dii. Kordiale, James Chandler idojc@hotmail.com http://yi.com/home/ChandlerJames http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Forum/5037 ______________________________________________________ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 743 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 17740 invoked by uid 7770); 15 Jul 1999 16:16:03 -0000 Received: from qg.egroups.com (HELO qg.findmail.com) (10.1.2.27) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 15 Jul 1999 16:16:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 1591 invoked from network); 15 Jul 1999 16:16:04 -0000 Received: from mailsorter-105-2.iap.bryant.webtv.net (209.240.198.118) by qg.egroups.com with SMTP; 15 Jul 1999 16:16:04 -0000 Received: from postoffice-292.iap.bryant.webtv.net (postoffice-292.iap.bryant.webtv.net [209.240.198.25]) by mailsorter-105-2.iap.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.8/ms.gso.08Dec97) with ESMTP id JAA02588; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 09:16:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from production@localhost) by postoffice-292.iap.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.8/po.gso.24Feb98) id JAA22958; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 09:16:03 -0700 (PDT) X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhRMFEYvqam4EqQglDHefz35r3rBpAIVAJCgnrfiQy0hyimqKghNvWG94NUL From: thomw@webtv.net (Thom) Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 09:16:03 -0700 (PDT) To: idolisto@egroups.com Message-ID: <29669-378E0943-3299@postoffice-292.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Content-Disposition: Inline MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Subject: [ido] Auxlang & 5th columnists" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kar sioro James Chandler ed omna Idisti, I have been reading with great interest your dialogue with Don Harlow in the auxlang forum in e-Groups. I have tried to put a few words in my 'defence', but as I am not 'registered', I cannot,nor perhps , should I. . I had been an Esperantist for more than 15 yrs, but never became very active in the movement itself. Like most, it was as much a 'hobby' as anything else. When I got my WebTV last Feb and was finally 'on-line' I took great joy in finally being able to read for myself the postings in SCE. Needless to say, I was rather taken aback by the arrogance of many of the posters therein as well as growing quite weary of having to 'decipher' the various 'codes' used to print the ^ letters Esp has so tenaciously held to. When I found out more about Ido, I was greatly relieved that someone, had 'solved' the ^ problem as well as making other changes I long thought were necessary to Espo, but quietly acceded to. In my naive 'enthusiasm' about my 'discoveries', I seemed to have up-ended a hornet's nest in SCE. I was not at all prepared for the opprobrium espists have for 'non-fundamentalists', especially those who raise those 'damned Ido reforms'. Certainly, I meant no desire to reflect badly on the Ido movement, but to be referred to by S. Paine as a 'furzulo' did cause me to harden my pro-Ido stand and against Espo. I do not know enough about Ido to judge its strengths or weaknesses, but from what I do see, it _should_ have usurped the role Espo has now taken for itself. I am not a linguist and have no formal training in linguistics, but _do_ see the many advantages Ido has over Espo. I promise you, that I did not come to Idolisto as a '5th columnist' or as an 'agent' of the Espo movement, but one who has become thoroughly dis-enchanted with the lies Espo/ists has been telling for 100 yrs. Sincere vua, Thom Wilkerson ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 744 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 27934 invoked by uid 7770); 13 Jul 1999 22:18:10 -0000 Received: from qh.egroups.com (HELO qh.findmail.com) (10.1.2.28) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 13 Jul 1999 22:18:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 24044 invoked from network); 13 Jul 1999 22:18:09 -0000 Received: from vasquez.zip.com.au (203.12.97.41) by qh.egroups.com with SMTP; 13 Jul 1999 22:18:09 -0000 Received: from kalocsay (itchy33.zip.com.au [61.8.12.33]) by vasquez.zip.com.au (8.9.2/8.9.1) with SMTP id IAA27871 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 08:11:50 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <003c01becd7d$65d7cc40$210c083d@kalocsay> From: "Adrian Neilson Hall" To: References: <001801becd5e$04480040$d0ae51d4@fen.baynet.de> Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 08:16:43 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Subject: [ido] Re: Mea priojeto krear elektronika Ido-revueto kun poemi Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Frank Vua projeto esas admirinda. Kad a vu plezus propozo di helpo en la = desegno di la revuo retal. Me laboras por kompanio qua desegnas e konstruk= tas retal paginari (TTT-situi). Vu povas vidar exempli di mea laboro priva= ta che la pagini: http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Study/5691/ kaj http:/= /www.geocities.com/SoHo/Study/5691/flood3.htm ----- Message d'origine --= --- De : Frank Kasper =C0 : Envoy=E9 : Wednesday, 14 July 1999 04:18 Objet : [ido] Re: Mea projeto= krear elektronika Ido-revueto kun poemi > Kara amiki! > > Me kordialege= dankas ad omni, qui komentis mea propozo editar elektronika > Ido-revueto = kun poemi. -------------------------------------------------------------= ----------- eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http:/= /www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 745 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 17991 invoked by uid 7770); 15 Jul 1999 16:53:01 -0000 Received: from qg.egroups.com (HELO qg.findmail.com) (10.1.2.27) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 15 Jul 1999 16:53:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 11396 invoked from network); 15 Jul 1999 16:52:57 -0000 Received: from mout00.kundenserver.de (195.20.224.69) by qg.egroups.com with SMTP; 15 Jul 1999 16:52:57 -0000 Received: from [195.20.224.68] (helo=mx02.kundenserver.de) by mout00.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 114okZ-0008V7-00; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 18:52:47 +0200 Received: from [212.122.138.16] (helo=www) by mx02.kundenserver.de with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 114okT-0005K9-00; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 18:52:41 +0200 Message-ID: <000701becee2$51c442e0$108a7ad4@fen.baynet.de> From: "Frank Kasper" To: "Manfred Magin" , "Idolisto (Mesaji)" Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 18:37:44 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Subject: [ido] Re: Ankorfoye pri mea ideo krear elektronika Ido-revueto ku peomi Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0055_01BECEF1.20CD05A0" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ------=_NextPart_000_0055_01BECEF1.20CD005A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" content-transfer-encoding: 7bit content-type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Kara amiki! Me ankorfoye kordialege dankas ad omni, qui sendis lia komenti e propra propozi koncerne la kreado di elektronika Ido-revueto e qui ya votis en la voteyo di Idolisto. Generale me devas konstatar, ke me volunte kreos tala revueto ne nur kun poemi, ma kompreneble anke kun altra skribaji, quan me recevos da vi. Volunte me anke aceptos la helpo da amiko Adrian Neison Hall en la desegno di la revuo retal. La maxim importanta por me esas, ke ni fine havos elektronika revuo, qua plezos a la lekteri e per qua ni konseque anke povos difuzar nia kara Ido-linguo plu bone per l'interreto e cavoye ganar plusa nova adheranti. Me anke dankas a Tom por lua permiso, uzar anke lua texti, quon me volunte facos. Kordiala saluti a vi omni sendas! Frank Kasper frank.kasper@idolinguo.de ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications ------=_NextPart_000_0055_01BECEF1.20CD005A0-- From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 746 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 22347 invoked by uid 7770); 15 Jul 1999 17:31:15 -0000 Received: from qg.egroups.com (HELO qg.findmail.com) (10.1.2.27) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 15 Jul 1999 17:31:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 22155 invoked from network); 15 Jul 1999 17:31:14 -0000 Received: from farida.a2000.nl (HELO smtp1.a2000.nl) (62.108.1.19) by qg.egroups.com with SMTP; 15 Jul 1999 17:31:14 -0000 Received: from node118d7.a2000.nl ([24.132.24.215] helo=HansStuifbergen) by smtp1.a2000.nl with smtp (Exim 2.02 #4) id 114pLk-0001ui-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 19:31:13 +0200 Message-ID: <005001becee8$f3563400$d7188418@HansStuifbergen.a2000.nl> From: "Ido-Info" To: "idolisto" Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 19:39:11 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Subject: [ido] Nova kodexi Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hura! Fine me nun ripovas partoprenar direte la forumo elektronika "idolisto". Mea serverio donis a me nova kodexi por recevanta e sendenda e-posto, do me esperas ke fine la problemi lia (e nedirete anke le mea) es solvita. Kar amiko Marcos, Me ne komprenas pro quo 'bono' ne esus justa. Ya es posibla dicar: tu es bono (tu es bona persono). Donez ta libro a la bono. Edcetere. E se vu deziras dicernar sexui: donez ta libri a la bonulo e la bonino. Bono es tam homa kam alto, grando, groso, ledo, mikro, omna personi kun certena karakterizivo. Koncernante -arto kom sufixo, efektive, me savas ke en Ido koquar kom ago (vua vorti: l' akto koquar) es: koquarto (France: cuisine, en la Nederlandana mem tre literale quale en Ido: kookkunst (= koqu-arto)), do segun me es tre bone dicar: dansarto, piktarto, skultarto, karezarto (adjuntas mea kato). "-arto" ne es sufixo, ma on darfas kompozar libere per ja existanta Ido-vorti, do es 'legala'. Nur 'makulo' ne es justa en vua listeto, nam 'makulo' es kozo e do por verbigar meritas esar sufixizita per sufixo justa (-iz- / -if-). On ya povas dicar: makulizarto, makulifarto. Pri punto 3 me ankore pensas. Saluti amikala, Hans St. ************************************************************* >Ido, linguo internaciona, absolute vizitez: http://members.tripod.com/~avancigado + nova + nova + nova + nova + nova + nova + nova LA HERISONI, rakonteto desegnita, da Rymke che: http://www.angelfire.com/id/Avance/TiaListo1.html ************************************************************* ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 747 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 11792 invoked by uid 7770); 15 Jul 1999 17:55:52 -0000 Received: from qg.egroups.com (HELO qg.findmail.com) (10.1.2.27) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 15 Jul 1999 17:55:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 28628 invoked from network); 15 Jul 1999 17:55:51 -0000 Received: from farida.a2000.nl (HELO smtp1.a2000.nl) (62.108.1.19) by qg.egroups.com with SMTP; 15 Jul 1999 17:55:51 -0000 Received: from node118d7.a2000.nl ([24.132.24.215] helo=HansStuifbergen) by smtp1.a2000.nl with smtp (Exim 2.02 #4) id 114pja-0003rJ-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 19:55:50 +0200 Message-ID: <005401beceec$63ee06e0$d7188418@HansStuifbergen.a2000.nl> From: "Ido-Info" To: "idolisto" Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 20:03:49 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Subject: [ido] angelfire Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kar amiki, Nun me havas problemi apertar mea pagini che Angelfire. Segun mea retofoliumilo, ol havas ne povas trovar l' IP adreso di Angelfire. Normale me povis trovar la pagini simple per skribar http://www.angelfire.com/ . Kad ulu savas quo signifikas IP e quale agar nun? Ka to signifikas ke nulu povas atingar Angelfire? Maxim mea Idopagini es che Angelfire. Saluti amikala, Hans St. ************************************************************* >Ido, linguo internaciona, absolute vizitez: http://members.tripod.com/~avancigado + nova + nova + nova + nova + nova + nova + nova LA HERISONI, rakonteto desegnita, da Rymke che: http://www.angelfire.com/id/Avance/TiaListo1.html ************************************************************* ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 748 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 15422 invoked by uid 7770); 15 Jul 1999 19:15:13 -0000 Received: from qg.egroups.com (HELO qg.findmail.com) (10.1.2.27) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 15 Jul 1999 19:15:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 16378 invoked from network); 15 Jul 1999 19:15:13 -0000 Received: from new.sis.it (HELO dipobox.sis.it) (193.70.16.253) by qg.egroups.com with SMTP; 15 Jul 1999 19:15:13 -0000 Received: from lizard [193.70.17.42] with smtp by dipobox.sis.it with smtp (Smail-3.2.0.103 1998-Oct-9 #4 #4) id m114qyf-000R6SC; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 21:15:29 +0200 (MEST) Message-Id: Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 21:15:29 +0200 (MEST) X-Sender: narcar@mailserver.sis.it X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 To: idolisto@egroups.com From: Carlo Nardini Subject: [ido] Re: editar per reto Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit S-ro Zeno skribis proxime tale: > per mea regardilo me povas facar sive la supra fenestro > sive la infra fenestro okupar preske la tota skreno. > Ka vua regardilo povas facar ito? yes, anke me povas facar ito (advere, me ne savis lo, ante vua jentila expliko: danko). La fakto esas ke, kande on apertas o riapertas la pagino, ol sempre aspektas sammaniere: la nomo FRANK KASPER es parte kovrita, adminime en mea monitoro*. Certe ol povas facile deskovresar, ma l'unesma vido ne esas perfekta, segun me. Kordiale Carlo Nardini ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 749 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 18564 invoked by uid 7770); 15 Jul 1999 21:13:42 -0000 Received: from qg.egroups.com (HELO qg.findmail.com) (10.1.2.27) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 15 Jul 1999 21:13:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 13557 invoked from network); 15 Jul 1999 21:13:42 -0000 Received: from vasquez.zip.com.au (203.12.97.41) by qg.egroups.com with SMTP; 15 Jul 1999 21:13:42 -0000 Received: from kalocsay (kenny11.zip.com.au [61.8.18.139]) by vasquez.zip.com.au (8.9.2/8.9.1) with SMTP id HAA14547 for ; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 07:07:09 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <000101becf06$b87e7040$8b12083d@kalocsay> From: "Adrian Neilson Hall" To: References: <378d26f1.2163329@mail.infomail.es> Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 13:49:51 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Subject: [ido] Re: Linguala questioni Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Saluto Hiere Marcos skribis: > Saluti a tuti, Se me ne eraras, to devus = esar "a omni". E "tuta" en justa kuntexto esus "tota" ka no? > 1. En Ido = ni havas la sufixi -ul- ed -in- por derivar maskula ed > femina substantivi= de un vorto. Exemple: > bonulo: bona viro > bonino (Emma :) : bona mulier= o > Ma quale ni derivas simple "bona persono" (sensexe)? Boniero? (nam > "= bono" ne es specife homa). Ka ni vere devas plu komplikar la linguo per no= va sufikso? La kuntexto klarigas ka on parolas pri homo o kozo senanma o be= stio o planto. Se on bezonas plu di precizeso, adjuntez -ulo o -ino o dicez= "bona homo". Cetere, ka vu povas prezentar exemplo di kuntexto en qua "bon= o" esas impedante ambugua? > 2. Segun la gramatiko, per -o on derivas akt= ala substantivo de verba > radiko. Ma quale ni expresas la abstrakta koncep= to? Exemple: > danso: akto dansar > Ma quale ni referas ad la danso kom hom= ala aktiveso? Ka ni devos > inventar kompozita vorto (exemple "dansarto" o = simile), o havar -o > vorti kom polisemia? > Same me questionas pri voto (a= kto od instrumento), makulo, pluvo, ec. Ibe vu tushas ne nur la gramatiko = ma la logiko. Ka vere la du koncepti quin vu mencionas, diferas un de l'alt= ra. E mem se yes, ka valoras indikar ta difero per sufiksi? Ka "danso" es p= olisemia nam ol signifikas akto quan me povas regardar e arto quan me povas= lernar. Segun me, no. Nam la arto e la akto es la sama kozo observata de d= iferanta vid-punti. > 3. La sufixo -al-. Lua generala senso se me ne erora= s es "relatata > kun" o "havata da" o simple "di". Ma che certena vorti ta = senso ne es > respektata. Exemple "universala" (kp. "universala kongreso") = ne > signifikas "relatata kun la universo" o "havata da ol," o "di ol". Olu= > on uzas segun la (nelogika) europala kustumo. Same "normala", qua ne > s= ignifikas "di la normo" ma "segun la normo". Ka -al- havas plura > diferant= a signifiki? O ka universal-, normal-, ec, devus esar > konsiderata kom apa= rta radiki, same kam animal-, oval-...? Nu, norm-ala signifikas relatanta = a normo ka no? Universala ya semblas esar uzata en plu strikta senco kustum= ale kam "relatanta al universo" - "ubiqua tra la mondo" vice "ubiqua tra la= universo". Posible ne es vera ke "la usana rock'n'roll es universale popul= ara" nam la juni de Neptuno e anke sur la luni di Jupitero, ne tre prizas o= l. Ma do?... Ni ignorez li. Adrian Neilson Hall -----------------------= -------------------------------------------------- eGroups.com home: http:/= /www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group = communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 750 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 3869 invoked by uid 7770); 16 Jul 1999 05:44:09 -0000 Received: from qg.egroups.com (HELO qg.findmail.com) (10.1.2.27) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 16 Jul 1999 05:44:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 25529 invoked from network); 16 Jul 1999 05:44:09 -0000 Received: from mail2.deltanet.com (199.171.190.56) by qg.egroups.com with SMTP; 16 Jul 1999 05:44:09 -0000 Received: from ts012d13.lax-ca.concentric.net (ts012d13.lax-ca.concentric.net [206.173.241.73]) by mail2.deltanet.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id WAA12252 for ; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 22:43:46 -0700 (PDT) From: zeno@deltanet.com (Zeno) To: idolisto@egroups.com Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 05:41:40 GMT Message-ID: <378eb695.17965219@smtp.deltanet.com> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] Re: editar per reto Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ye jovdio, 15-ma julio 1999, Carlo Nardini skribis: > La fakto esas= ke, kande on apertas o riapertas la pagino, >ol sempre aspektas sammanier= e: la nomo FRANK KASPER es parte kovrita, >adminime en mea monitoro*. Cert= e ol povas facile deskovresar, >ma l'unesma vido ne esas perfekta, segun me= . Yes. Ita esas granda problemo pri kadri. La skreno povas aspektar perf= ekte bona en un komputilo, ma aspektar mala en altra. Kande on uzas HTML p= or krear kadri, on povas ajustar la lineo separonta por ke lu esez procento= di la skreno, o preciza nombro di pixeli de irga bordo. Ma, se on uzas la= ajusto procentala, la problemo esas ke homi havas skreni, qua esas altra-d= imensiona. E, se on uzas la ajusto pixala, on deskovros ke singlu havas sk= reni, qua havas diferenta nombro di pixeli po inch, do la tipofacii (tiposp= eci?) uzas diferanta nombri di pixeli. Vere, la unika metodo por uzar kadr= i efektive, esas pozar sole pikturi en un ek la kadri ed uzar la ajusto pix= ala, pro ke nur lore on povas esar (preske) certa ke la kadri aspektos bona= por omna komputili. Ma on devas anke permisar la uzeri por movar la lineo= separanta (on ne povas esar absolute certa :-( ). - Zeno ---------------= ---------------------------------------------------------- eGroups.com home= : http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifyin= g group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 751 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 1475 invoked by uid 7770); 16 Jul 1999 06:35:51 -0000 Received: from qh.egroups.com (HELO qh.findmail.com) (10.1.2.28) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 16 Jul 1999 06:35:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 20703 invoked from network); 16 Jul 1999 06:35:50 -0000 Received: from epmsa001.ep.minsk.by (194.226.122.227) by qh.egroups.com with SMTP; 16 Jul 1999 06:35:50 -0000 Received: by epmsa001.ep.minsk.by with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 09:35:22 +0300 Message-ID: <8D76D48EDDD3D211AC3000A0C98212E703A86A@epmsa001.ep.minsk.by> From: "Dmitri P. Laptsionak" To: "'idolisto@egroups.com'" Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 09:35:15 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Subject: [ido] Re: angelfire Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Saluto. Amiko Hans, vua serverio devas donar a vu rekompenso. Me perfekte lektas vua Angelfire. Zmicier ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 752 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 22523 invoked by uid 7770); 16 Jul 1999 10:42:41 -0000 Received: from qg.egroups.com (HELO qg.findmail.com) (10.1.2.27) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 16 Jul 1999 10:42:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 3903 invoked from network); 16 Jul 1999 10:42:38 -0000 Received: from ncc2.infomail.es (HELO infomail.es) (194.224.53.135) by qg.egroups.com with SMTP; 16 Jul 1999 10:42:38 -0000 Received: from 206113.rad.bbv.es ([195.53.206.113]) by infomail.es (Tid InfoMail Exchanger v2.20) with SMTP id #932121326.153110002; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 12:35:26 +0200 From: xavo@bbvnet.com To: idolisto@egroups.com Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 10:43:39 GMT Message-ID: <378f0471.51314@mail.infomail.es> References: <378d26f1.2163329@mail.infomail.es> <000101becf06$b87e7040$8b12083d@kalocsay> In-Reply-To: <000101becf06$b87e7040$8b12083d@kalocsay> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.01/32.397 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Infomail-Id: 932121326.3BCF020A811067.21847 Subject: [ido] Re: Linguala questioni Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Tem Thu, 15 Jul 1999 13:49:51 +1000, "Adrian Neilson Hall" skribis: >> Saluti a tuti, > >Se me ne eraras, to devus esar "a omni= ". E "tuta" en justa kuntexto esus "tota" ka no? Yes, me kelkfoye mistrafa= s Idala vorti, speciale se oli ne koincidas kun la esperanta equivalenti. = >> 1. En Ido ni havas la sufixi -ul- ed -in- por derivar maskula ed >> femi= na substantivi de un vorto. Exemple: >> bonulo: bona viro >> bonino (Emma = :) : bona muliero >> Ma quale ni derivas simple "bona persono" (sensexe)? = Boniero? (nam >> "bono" ne es specife homa). > >Ka ni vere devas plu kompli= kar la linguo per nova sufikso? Ne es to quon me intencis. Me nure questio= nis. > La kuntexto klarigas ka on parolas pri homo o kozo senanma o bestio= o planto. Se on bezonas plu di precizeso, adjuntez -ulo o -ino o dicez "bo= na homo". Cetere, ka vu povas prezentar exemplo di kuntexto en qua "bono" e= sas impedante ambugua? Mmm, "la boni helpas vivar". Kozi o personi? On pov= as disambiguigar uzante -aj- por intencar kozi. Ma por signifikar personi n= i devas uzar plua vorto (bona homi). Strange, se vu volas precizigar mem pl= u (t.e. femina o maskula), vu ne bezonas aparta vorto, vu retroiras un pazo= e derivas de la radiko (bonulo, bonino). >> 2. Segun la gramatiko, per -= o on derivas aktala substantivo de verba >> radiko. Ma quale ni expresas la= abstrakta koncepto? Exemple: >> danso: akto dansar >> Ma quale ni referas = ad la danso kom homala aktiveso? Ka ni devos >> inventar kompozita vorto (e= xemple "dansarto" o simile), o havar -o >> vorti kom polisemia? >> Same me = questionas pri voto (akto od instrumento), makulo, pluvo, ec. > >Ibe vu tus= has ne nur la gramatiko ma la logiko. Ka vere la du koncepti quin vu mencio= nas, diferas un de l'altra. E mem se yes, ka valoras indikar ta difero per = sufiksi? Vu anke esperantagas kelke (sufiksi) ;) E yes, oli es diferanta.= Altriflanke, ca lasta frazo servas me por facar mea quaresma questiono: = 4. Ka en Ido ni dicas same angla "is differing" quale "is different"? >Ka = "danso" es polisemia nam ol signifikas akto quan me povas regardar e arto q= uan me povas lernar. Segun me, no. Nam la arto e la akto es la sama kozo ob= servata de diferanta vid-punti. "His dancing lasted 30 minutes". "His danc= e is comparable to that of Nureyev". Ka la sama kozo? (prego angloparolanti= koretigez me se angle on ne facas ta distingo dancing/dance). >> 3. La su= fixo -al-. Lua generala senso se me ne eroras es "relatata >> kun" o "havat= a da" o simple "di". Ma che certena vorti ta senso ne es >> respektata. Exe= mple "universala" (kp. "universala kongreso") ne >> signifikas "relatata ku= n la universo" o "havata da ol," o "di ol". Olu >> on uzas segun la (nelogi= ka) europala kustumo. Same "normala", qua ne >> signifikas "di la normo" ma= "segun la normo". Ka -al- havas plura >> diferanta signifiki? O ka univers= al-, normal-, ec, devus esar >> konsiderata kom aparta radiki, same kam ani= mal-, oval-...? > >Nu, norm-ala signifikas relatanta a normo ka no? Ka "n= ormala problemo" esas "problemo de normo" (o "...relatanta a normo") por vu= ? >Universala ya semblas esar uzata en plu strikta senco kustumale kam "re= latanta al universo" - "ubiqua tra la mondo" vice "ubiqua tra la universo".= Posible ne es vera ke "la usana rock'n'roll es universale populara" nam la= juni de Neptuno e anke sur la luni di Jupitero, ne tre prizas ol. Ma do?..= . Ni ignorez li. Ne esas tale grava pos omno, ka? Ma ni facigez universal-= aparta radiko, por ke nia linguo ne sequez la ne-logikaji de europana naci= ona lingui. Saludos, Marcos -------------------------------------------= ----------------------------- eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/gro= up/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 753 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 22577 invoked by uid 7770); 16 Jul 1999 10:42:46 -0000 Received: from qg.egroups.com (HELO qg.findmail.com) (10.1.2.27) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 16 Jul 1999 10:42:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 3909 invoked from network); 16 Jul 1999 10:42:39 -0000 Received: from ncc2.infomail.es (HELO infomail.es) (194.224.53.135) by qg.egroups.com with SMTP; 16 Jul 1999 10:42:39 -0000 Received: from 206113.rad.bbv.es ([195.53.206.113]) by infomail.es (Tid InfoMail Exchanger v2.20) with SMTP id #932121324.153110001; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 12:35:24 +0200 From: xavo@bbvnet.com To: idolisto@egroups.com Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 10:43:31 GMT Message-ID: <379007a1.867998@mail.infomail.es> References: <005001becee8$f3563400$d7188418@HansStuifbergen.a2000.nl> In-Reply-To: <005001becee8$f3563400$d7188418@HansStuifbergen.a2000.nl> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.01/32.397 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Infomail-Id: 932121324.3BCF010A811067.21845 Subject: [ido] Re: Nova kodexi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Tem Thu, 15 Jul 1999 19:39:11 +0200, "Ido-Info" skr= ibis: >Hura! Fine me nun ripovas partoprenar direte la forumo elektronika = >"idolisto". Mea serverio donis a me nova kodexi por recevanta e sendenda >= e-posto, do me esperas ke fine la problemi lia (e nedirete anke le mea) es = >solvita. Gratuli! >Kar amiko Marcos, >Me ne komprenas pro quo 'bono' ne = esus justa. Ya es posibla dicar: tu es >bono (tu es bona persono). Donez ta= libro a la bono. Edcetere. E se vu >deziras dicernar sexui: donez ta libri= a la bonulo e la bonino. Bono es tam >homa kam alto, grando, groso, ledo, = mikro, omna personi kun certena >karakterizivo. Ma segun mea savo, de-adje= ktiva substantivi signifikas "homo o kozo -a". Por specifar "kozo", on pova= s uzar -ajo. Ma quon on uzez por specifar "persono"? >Koncernante -arto ko= m sufixo, efektive, me savas ke en Ido koquar kom ago >(vua vorti: l' akto = koquar) es: koquarto (France: cuisine, en la >Nederlandana mem tre literale= quale en Ido: kookkunst (=3D koqu-arto)), do >segun me es tre bone dicar: = dansarto, piktarto, skultarto, karezarto >(adjuntas mea kato). "-arto" ne e= s sufixo, ma on darfas kompozar libere per >ja existanta Ido-vorti, do es '= legala'. Nur 'makulo' ne es justa en vua >listeto, nam 'makulo' es kozo e d= o por verbigar meritas esar sufixizita per Yes, mea eroro. Me pensabis ke = makul- esis verbala radiko. Ma quo pri exemple pluvo? Ka ni povas distingar= inter la pluvo (aquo falanta) e la pluvo (akto pluvar)? Ed inter voto (la = akto) e voto (la kozo)? O inter parolo (la akto) e parolo (la homala habile= so)? Me pensas ke ca es grava questioni por nia linguo se ni volas lun noma= r "ciencala". Ah, "nomar": nom- > verbala radiko. Ka "nomo" es akto o kozo= ? >Pri punto 3 me ankore pensas. Danko pro vua (e via) respondi (o ka es= us plubone dicata "respondaji"?). Me pensas ke omna ta questioni ke me fac= as es grava por konocar plu profunde nia linguo, e tale povar esar plubona = Idisti. "Nosce te ipsum", dicis la filosofo. Saludos, Marcos -----------= -------------------------------------------------------------- eGroups.com = home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simpli= fying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 754 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 13372 invoked by uid 7770); 16 Jul 1999 18:27:40 -0000 Received: from qg.egroups.com (HELO qg.findmail.com) (10.1.2.27) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 16 Jul 1999 18:27:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 821 invoked from network); 16 Jul 1999 18:27:40 -0000 Received: from mout00.kundenserver.de (195.20.224.69) by qg.egroups.com with SMTP; 16 Jul 1999 18:27:40 -0000 Received: from [195.20.224.68] (helo=mx02.kundenserver.de) by mout00.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 115Chs-00074G-00; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 20:27:36 +0200 Received: from [212.122.135.153] (helo=www) by mx02.kundenserver.de with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 115Chm-0000wN-00; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 20:27:30 +0200 Message-ID: <001201becfb8$bab4dd60$99877ad4@fen.baynet.de> From: "Frank Kasper" To: "Manfred Magin" , "Idolisto (Mesaji)" Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 19:59:38 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Subject: [ido] Re: Movo dil Germana chef-hempagino Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0009_01BECFC5.BC4CA880" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01BECFC5.BC4CAA880 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" content-transfer-encoding: 7bit content-type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Kara amiki! Quale James ya mencionis ante kelka dii la servo "Yahoo" kompris la servo "Geocities", ube ultre altro anke situesas la chef-pagini dil Germana Ido-Societo. Pro la nihiligo dil Ido-konfero en Neviges me devabus modifikar ca pagino por eskartar l'informi pri la konfero. Probinte transsendar la modfikita pagini a "Geocities" on ne plus aceptis mea pasvorto ibe. Pro to me postulis nova pasvorto de "Yahoo", quan me anke quik recevis a la justa e-postala adreso. Pose me probis kelka foyi dum du dii atingar mea hempagineyo per la nova pasvorto sendita a me de "Yahoo", ma omnafoye recevis la remarko "Invalid passvort" (nevalida pasvorto) e konseque ne plus atingis la loko por modifikar mea pagini. Por impedar plusa nesencoza telefon-kusti me decidis ne plus probar modifikar mea pagini ibe e movar la chef-pagini dil GIS per simpla transsendo ad altra servo. Felice me havas mea propra TTT-adreso http://www.idolinguo.de nam me povas konfigurar ca adreso omnatempe tale, ke on sendependante de la loko, ube momente situesas la pagini dil GIS automate atingas la pagini sub ta adreso. Me ya aranjis, ke on ya nun itere atingas la Germana pagini sub l'adreso: http://www.idolinguo.de Por certigar, ke intereseri omnatempe atingas la Germana Ido-pagini me pregas Robert, James, Marteno e l'altri modifikar la ligi a la Germana pagini en lia indexi di Ido-TTT- pagini de http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Forum/2562 o http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Forum/2562/index.htm aden http://www.idolinguo.de por ke ca adreso malgre futura trubladi dil servi sempre esos valida. Hans ya facis lo sur lua indexo-pagino "avancigado", quan me ante kelka minuti sucesoze povis regardar. Me kordialege predankas a vi pro via penado. Kun la maxim kordiala ed amikala saluti a vi omni! Frank Kasper frank.kasper@idolinguo.de ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01BECFC5.BC4CAA880-- From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 755 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 30979 invoked by uid 7770); 16 Jul 1999 19:34:51 -0000 Received: from qg.egroups.com (HELO qg.findmail.com) (10.1.2.27) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 16 Jul 1999 19:34:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 15173 invoked from network); 16 Jul 1999 19:34:49 -0000 Received: from mout00.kundenserver.de (195.20.224.69) by qg.egroups.com with SMTP; 16 Jul 1999 19:34:49 -0000 Received: from [195.20.224.68] (helo=mx02.kundenserver.de) by mout00.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 115Dkt-0004H5-00; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 21:34:48 +0200 Received: from [212.81.174.106] (helo=www) by mx02.kundenserver.de with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 115Dkr-0005yk-00; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 21:34:45 +0200 Message-ID: <005001becfc2$1fd96ae0$6aae51d4@fen.baynet.de> From: "Frank Kasper" To: "Manfred Magin" , "Idolisto (Mesaji)" Cc: "Edward H. Steve" Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 21:24:33 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Subject: [ido] Komuniko ad James Chandler koncerne la neevento dil konfero en Neviges Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0049_01BECFD1.99406000" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ------=_NextPart_000_0049_01BECFD1.994066000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" content-transfer-encoding: 7bit content-type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Komuniko a s-do Chandler: Kara samideano, Por la ne-evento di la konfero en Neviges kulpas omna Idisti, qui ne volis partoprenar o plu tarde desanuncis sua veno. Me tote ne invitis ad amikala renkontro dum du dii en Neviges, ma en la sideyo di la Germana Ido-Societo en Waldkappel-Burghofen. "Me esperas, ke nextayare ni povos organizar sucesoza plena konfero!" Me konsideras ica frazo kom invito ad Anglia dum 2000 e ke vi ibe volas organizar konfero. Saluti Alfred Neussner ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications ------=_NextPart_000_0049_01BECFD1.994066000-- From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 756 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 27270 invoked by uid 7770); 17 Jul 1999 13:47:01 -0000 Received: from qh.egroups.com (HELO qh.findmail.com) (10.1.2.28) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 17 Jul 1999 13:47:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 27468 invoked from network); 17 Jul 1999 13:47:01 -0000 Received: from law-f121.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (209.185.131.184) by qh.egroups.com with SMTP; 17 Jul 1999 13:47:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 43023 invoked by uid 0); 17 Jul 1999 13:47:01 -0000 Message-ID: <19990717134701.43022.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 159.15.128.3 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sat, 17 Jul 1999 06:47:01 PDT From: "James Chandler" To: idolisto@egroups.com Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 13:47:01 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] Fwd: Komuniko ad James Chandler koncerne la neevento dil konfero en Neviges Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_3da0640e_4179942b$1036a81" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ------=_NextPart_000_3da0640e_4179942b$11036a81 Content-Type: text/plain; format="flowed" content-type: text/plain; format=flowed Sro A. Neussner skribis: >Por la ne-evento di la konfero en Neviges kulpas omna Idisti, qui ne volis >partoprenar o plu tarde desanuncis sua veno. Nature ni omna devas regretar ke ne multa idisti anuncis, pro irgaqua motivo, sua partopreno che la konfero. Me ipsa ne povis anuncar mea asisto pro financal motivi, ma anke nun esas plusa cirkonstanco qua impedus me, pri qua me ne parolos nun. >Me tote ne invitis ad amikala renkontro dum du dii en Neviges, ma en la >sideyo di la >Germana Ido-Societo en Waldkappel-Burghofen. Me pregas pardono pro mea miskompreno dil ofro da sro Neussner. Me referas listani ad original mesajo transsendita da sro Kasper. >"Me esperas, ke nextayare ni povos organizar sucesoza plena konfero!" >Me konsideras ica frazo kom invito ad Anglia dum 2000 e ke vi ibe volas >organizar konfero. Me joyus povar anuncar konfero en Anglia nextayare, ma til nun me ne pensis pri tala aranjo o diskutis to kun altra britana idisti. Me intencis, nur ke ulaloke nextayare ni povos organizar konfero, sive en Anglia (Britania), sive en Germania, sive altraloke. Kordiale, James Chandler idojc@hotmail.com http://yi.com/home/ChandlerJames http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Forum/5037 ______________________________________________________ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications ------=_NextPart_000_3da0640e_4179942b$11036a81-- From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 757 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 27657 invoked by uid 7770); 17 Jul 1999 13:47:57 -0000 Received: from qg.egroups.com (HELO qg.findmail.com) (10.1.2.27) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 17 Jul 1999 13:47:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 11303 invoked from network); 17 Jul 1999 13:47:57 -0000 Received: from gilliam.vip.uk.com (194.176.218.1) by qg.egroups.com with SMTP; 17 Jul 1999 13:47:57 -0000 Received: from default (VIP-206-182.vip.uk.com [194.176.206.182]) by gilliam.vip.uk.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA11054 for ; Sat, 17 Jul 1999 14:47:49 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <000701bed059$8cc5e9c0$b6ceb0c2@default> From: "wood" To: Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 14:36:51 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Subject: [ido] Chuang-tzu Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0004_01BED061.CF5F7FA0" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BED061.CF5F77FA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Kar amiki Chuang-tzu = Chiniana filozof' Sonj' il es papilion'. = Il vekas e problemo havas. = Ka me homo es, il dicas, Qua sonj' il es= papilion' O, fakte, es papilion' = Sonjanta ke il esas homo? Saluti Tom Wood = ------------------------------------------------------------------= ------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.= egroups.com - Simplifying group communications ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BED061.CF5F77FA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable content-type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1"
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    = ;            &n= bsp;           Ka me hom= o es, il dicas,
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         &nb= sp;            =       Sonjanta ke il esas homo?
 
Saluti
Tom W= ood            =             =
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------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BED061.CF5F77FA0-- From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 758 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 28906 invoked by uid 7770); 17 Jul 1999 13:50:59 -0000 Received: from qh.egroups.com (HELO qh.findmail.com) (10.1.2.28) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 17 Jul 1999 13:50:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 27968 invoked from network); 17 Jul 1999 13:50:59 -0000 Received: from law-f285.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (209.185.130.224) by qh.egroups.com with SMTP; 17 Jul 1999 13:50:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 49726 invoked by uid 0); 17 Jul 1999 13:50:59 -0000 Message-ID: <19990717135059.49725.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 159.15.128.3 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sat, 17 Jul 1999 06:50:58 PDT From: "James Chandler" To: idolisto@egroups.com Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 13:50:58 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] Ido-Vivo recevita Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kar amiki Me joyis recevar icamatine la nova numero di Ido-Vivo, redaktita en Wals da nia amiko Nic ap Glyn. Ol es tre sucesoza, kontenanta diversa artikli, poezio e krucvort-enigmato. Me gratulas sro Ap Glyn pro lua laboro. On povas obtenar kopiuro di Ido-Vivo de sro David Weston, 24 Nunn Street, Leek, Staffs, UK. Kordiale, James Chandler idojc@hotmail.com http://yi.com/home/ChandlerJames http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Forum/5037 ______________________________________________________ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 759 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 3883 invoked by uid 7770); 17 Jul 1999 14:05:20 -0000 Received: from qg.egroups.com (HELO qg.findmail.com) (10.1.2.27) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 17 Jul 1999 14:05:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 13895 invoked from network); 17 Jul 1999 14:05:17 -0000 Received: from gilliam.vip.uk.com (194.176.218.1) by qg.egroups.com with SMTP; 17 Jul 1999 14:05:17 -0000 Received: from default (VIP-206-182.vip.uk.com [194.176.206.182]) by gilliam.vip.uk.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA16406 for ; Sat, 17 Jul 1999 15:05:11 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <003501bed05b$f9fa89e0$b6ceb0c2@default> From: "wood" To: Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 14:54:48 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Subject: [ido] Derivo Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0032_01BED064.5122E160" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ------=_NextPart_000_0032_01BED064.5122EE160 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Kar amiki Certe, problemo existas en Ido pri direta derivo di substantivo d= e verbo. Me opinionas ke la principo un vorto: un signifiko ne es posibla.= La preciza signifiko di vorto dependas ne-eviteble del kuntexto. Lingui f= uncionas ica-maniere. Saluti Tom Wood ----------------------------------= -------------------------------------- eGroups.com home: http://www.egroup= s.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communicati= ons ------=_NextPart_000_0032_01BED064.5122EE160 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable content-type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1"
Kar amiki
Certe, problemo existas en Ido pri direta derivo di= substantivo de verbo.  Me opinionas ke la principo un vorto: un sign= ifiko ne es posibla.  La preciza signifiko di vorto dependas ne-evite= ble del kuntexto. Lingui funcionas ica-maniere.
 
Saluti
Tom Wood
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------=_NextPart_000_0032_01BED064.5122EE160-- From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 760 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 23836 invoked by uid 7770); 17 Jul 1999 18:49:36 -0000 Received: from qg.egroups.com (HELO qg.findmail.com) (10.1.2.27) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 17 Jul 1999 18:49:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 24600 invoked from network); 17 Jul 1999 18:49:36 -0000 Received: from farida.a2000.nl (HELO smtp1.a2000.nl) (62.108.1.19) by qg.egroups.com with SMTP; 17 Jul 1999 18:49:36 -0000 Received: from node118d7.a2000.nl ([24.132.24.215] helo=HansStuifbergen) by smtp1.a2000.nl with smtp (Exim 2.02 #4) id 115ZWh-00006Q-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Sat, 17 Jul 1999 20:49:35 +0200 Message-ID: <003601bed086$3dfc69e0$d7188418@HansStuifbergen.a2000.nl> From: "Ido-Info" To: "idolisto" Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 20:57:39 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Subject: [ido] Danko Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kar amiki, Kar amiko Zmicier, danko pro vua komplezemeso spektar e tale kontrolar l' acesebleso di mea retala pagini che Angelfire. Nun, du dii plu pose, me anke itere povas acesar oli. Quo vere eventis, me ne savas. Kar amiko Jean Martignon, Danko pro vua kuponi di respondo e komenduro, omno aranjesos e la libreto quik sendesos. Danko amiko Alfred Neussner, por akuzar ti qui ne volis partoprenar la renkontro de falio olua. Me ne vere konkordas vu pri ka to es justa akuzo. On simple ne lasez la nepartopreno da altri esar kauzo di falio. Andy Warhol dicis: du es turbo, tri es festo. La sequanta yaro ol certe eventez en Europa, nam nun l' Euro es desvaloreskanta en rapida tempo, certe esos plu chipa por ne-Europani partoprenar ;-). Danko sioro Nic ap Glyn, Me tre volunte recevez kopiuro di la nova Ido-Vivo. Me sendos letreto a David Weston. Danko amiko James Chandler por savigar lo supra da ni. Danko Thom, pro vua komenduro. Me sincere esperas (ya preske es certa) ke la libri esos de grand utileso por vu. Danko Tom Wood, pro vua poemeto. Es kelka Idisti di qui lia Ido pensigas me pri quon li dicas. Anke vu apartenas a ti qui pensigas me, ma altramaniere. Danko Daniel, (kelke tardeta respondo, me savas) pro vua multa-plezuro-dum-rispekto-di-Sub-la-Volkano-deziro. Esis grandioza rispektir ol. Same kam vu me anke ya posedas la libro ankore nelektita. Vua anke skribis: "me havas un (?) disko preske de Cheb, qua esas preske de britana "pop" e *rokko, preske tre bona :)." Pro quo 'preske'. Ka vu referas a la fakto ke multa diski de Rai-muziko prezente es kreita por la gusto dil ocidentani. Me kredas ke me havas un kansono da Rachid Taha sur kaseto kun diversa altra muzikisti de Aljeria. Me ne es certa, me ne plu povas trovar ta kaseto en mea domo kaosoza. Danko ad omni, mea es en humoro dankema, me mem dankis ti qui dankis me, quale hiere en la muzeo, ube Usano dankis me pro l' informo quan me donis ad il, me dankis il por questionar a me. Hodie me vakuigis la stableto dop mea domo. Ol es ye bordo di krulo, havas tekto de asbesto (!), mea maxim granda problemo. Me ne savas quale forprenar ol, fakte me devas engajar firmo specalizita pri forpreno di asbesto, ma kustos tro multa pekunio. Quon me facos? Saluti amikala, Hans St. ************************************************************* >Ido, linguo internaciona, absolute vizitez: http://members.tripod.com/~avancigado nova: LA HERISONI, rakonteto desegnita, da Rymke, 56 pag. Fl. 2,50 / Euri 1,40 / 2 Int. Kuponi di Resp. / "...tre charmiva..." (T. Carlevaro) (anke videz: http://www.angelfire.com/id/Avance/TiaListo1.html) ************************************************************* ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 761 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 29733 invoked by uid 7770); 18 Jul 1999 08:06:46 -0000 Received: from qh.egroups.com (HELO qh.findmail.com) (10.1.2.28) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 18 Jul 1999 08:06:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 13632 invoked from network); 18 Jul 1999 08:06:46 -0000 Received: from out2.minitel.net (HELO gmailint2.globalmail.net) (193.252.91.11) by qh.egroups.com with SMTP; 18 Jul 1999 08:06:46 -0000 Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 10:06:45 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199907180806.KAA22722@gmailint2.globalmail.net> From: jeanmartignon@minitel.net (JEAN MARTIGNON) To: idolisto@egroups.com (IDOLISTO) MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] Babel-turmo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Kara cibernauti, Segun la revuo di Interlingua "Panorama", la Babelturmo semblas esir lokalizata en izolita regiono di est-Turkia dal Britana arkeologo Michael Sanders. Michael Sanders preparas arkeologala expediciono adibe dum la yaro 2000. La nomo Babel signifikas : la pordo di Deo. Onu savas ke la homi volis edifikar tre alta turmo irante til la firmamento. Deo punisis li per konfundigar lia lingui tale ke li ne plus povis interkomprenar. Michael Sanders devus informesar pri la existo di interlingui. Kordiala ciberspacala saluti. jeanmartignon@minitel.net ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 762 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 1566 invoked by uid 7770); 19 Jul 1999 18:40:59 -0000 Received: from qg.egroups.com (HELO qg.findmail.com) (10.1.2.27) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 19 Jul 1999 18:40:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 3312 invoked from network); 19 Jul 1999 18:40:59 -0000 Received: from out2.minitel.net (HELO gmailint2.globalmail.net) (193.252.91.11) by qg.egroups.com with SMTP; 19 Jul 1999 18:40:59 -0000 Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 20:40:56 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199907191840.UAA28739@gmailint2.globalmail.net> From: jeanmartignon@minitel.net (JEAN MARTIGNON) To: idolisto@egroups.com (IDOLISTO) MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] Lingui-milito Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Kara cibernauti, Finlando havas nun la prezidenteso di Europa. La tri laborlingui esas la Angla, la Franca e la linguo dil prezidentala lando, do nun la Finlandana. La Germani ne esas kontenta e volus ke la Germana esus un ek la tri laborlingui. Existas querelo inter li e la Finlandani. La Finlandani trovis solvuro : li nun che la interreto dil prezidenteso uzas la Latina. Forsan ni devus imitar li e lernar la Latina. Certe ol ne esas tre facila, ma ol esas plu difuzita kam Ido. Adminime en la Latina ne esas reformeri qui volas sencese "ameliorar" la linguo. La dicionarii pri ita idiomo esas tote sekura. Sapienti consilio, homines fortes legibus parent Estne Dominus Taccata ?? Kun kordiala ciberspacala saluti. jeanmartignon@minitel.net ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 763 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@eGroups.com Received: (qmail 24188 invoked by uid 7770); 19 Jul 1999 19:51:14 -0000 Received: from qh.egroups.com (HELO qh.findmail.com) (10.1.2.28) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 19 Jul 1999 19:51:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 1240 invoked from network); 19 Jul 1999 19:51:13 -0000 Received: from mu.egroups.com (207.138.41.151) by qh.egroups.com with SMTP; 19 Jul 1999 19:51:13 -0000 Received: from [10.1.2.24] by mu.egroups.com with NNFMP; 19 Jul 1999 20:51:13 -0000 Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 12:51:04 -0700 From: idolinguo@geocities.com To: idolisto@eGroups.com Message-ID: <7mvvj8$a1gb@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.76 X-Mailer: www.eGroups.com Message Poster Subject: [ido] Me pensas pri franclingua forumo... Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kar amiki, Ideo rivenas ofte meamente: esus bona havar forumo simila a la idolingua forumo, ma franclingue, en qua interesati povus diskutar pri la lingual problemo e en qua bilingua texti povus aparar, tale faciligante la studio dil linguo internaciona dil Delegitaro. Me uzus eGroups, nam me anke jus kreis forumo por interesati pri la bahaa kredo. Se Jean Martignon o altra membri dil idolingua forumo havas idei por la nomo di ica kreota (ka kreinda?) franclingua forumo porinternacionlingua, lu voluntez dicar! Saluti amikal, Martin ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 764 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 22933 invoked by uid 7770); 20 Jul 1999 01:50:51 -0000 Received: from qh.egroups.com (HELO qh.findmail.com) (10.1.2.28) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 20 Jul 1999 01:50:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 16945 invoked from network); 20 Jul 1999 01:50:50 -0000 Received: from vasquez.zip.com.au (203.12.97.41) by qh.egroups.com with SMTP; 20 Jul 1999 01:50:50 -0000 Received: from kalocsay (barbrady62.zip.com.au [61.8.20.62]) by vasquez.zip.com.au (8.9.2/8.9.1) with SMTP id LAA01859 for ; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 11:43:50 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <01a701bed252$197e2040$3e14083d@kalocsay> From: "Adrian Neilson Hall" To: References: <005001becee8$f3563400$d7188418@HansStuifbergen.a2000.nl> <379007a1.867998@mail.infomail.es> Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 11:26:16 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Subject: [ido] Re: Nova kodexi Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Saluto Quale vi standas? Me pregas - pardonez me pro la kelka Esperantat= ra expresuri qui reptas de tempo a temp aden mea uzo dil Idolinguo. Marcos= skribis: >Ma quo pri > exemple pluvo? Ka ni povas distingar inter la pluv= o (aquo falanta) e > la pluvo (akto pluvar)? Ed inter voto (la akto) e voto= (la kozo)? O > inter parolo (la akto) e parolo (la homala habileso)? > Me = pensas ke ca es grava questioni por nia linguo se ni volas lun > nomar "cie= ncala". Nu, me pensis ke dum momento me ya vidabis la difero inter la guti= falanta e la ago pluvar. Ma nun me ne esas certa. Nam la guti falanta esas= (konstitucas) la ago pluvar. Se esus situeso en qua oportus distingar la g= uti falanta de la ago pluvar me apogus vua voko por nova sufixo (o reexamin= o di nia komuna linguo-uzo), ma ton me ne povas vidar. Me iros mem plu lont= ane: ne esas vera difero inter la du. La guti falanta es la ago pluvar. La = ago pluvar es nulo plu kam guti falanta de nubi. Ni parolas pri la sama koz= o. Ne esas tote simila afero pri la voto: mea voto esas ago - skribar ulo = sur peco di papero. Por esar plu preciza oportas mencionar la peco di pape= ro. Ta-egarde, Ido ne diferas de la angla (vote - ballot slip). Pri parolo= semblas ke vu vizas la diferon inter la ago parolar - parolo, e la kapablo= parolar - paroliveso. til riskribo Adrian ----------------------------= --------------------------------------------- eGroups.com home: http://www.= egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group commu= nications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 765 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 25769 invoked by uid 7770); 20 Jul 1999 16:42:27 -0000 Received: from qh.egroups.com (HELO qh.findmail.com) (10.1.2.28) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 20 Jul 1999 16:42:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 25075 invoked from network); 20 Jul 1999 16:42:23 -0000 Received: from ncc1.infomail.es (HELO infomail.es) (194.224.53.134) by qh.egroups.com with SMTP; 20 Jul 1999 16:42:23 -0000 Received: from 206072.rad.bbv.es ([195.53.206.72]) by infomail.es (Tid InfoMail Exchanger v2.20) with SMTP id #932489316.087000001; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 18:48:36 +0200 From: xavo@bbvnet.com To: idolisto@egroups.com Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 16:43:05 GMT Message-ID: <37946162.2844825@mail.infomail.es> References: <005001becee8$f3563400$d7188418@HansStuifbergen.a2000.nl> <379007a1.867998@mail.infomail.es> <01a701bed252$197e2040$3e14083d@kalocsay> In-Reply-To: <01a701bed252$197e2040$3e14083d@kalocsay> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.01/32.397 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Infomail-Id: 932489316.21FC010A811066.29837 Subject: [ido] Re: Nova kodexi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Tem Tue, 20 Jul 1999 11:26:16 +1000, "Adrian Neilson Hall" skribis: >>Ma quo pri >> exemple pluvo? Ka ni povas distingar inter = la pluvo (aquo falanta) e >> la pluvo (akto pluvar)? Ed inter voto (la akto= ) e voto (la kozo)? O >> inter parolo (la akto) e parolo (la homala habiles= o)? >> Me pensas ke ca es grava questioni por nia linguo se ni volas lun >>= nomar "ciencala". > >Nu, me pensis ke dum momento me ya vidabis la difero = inter la guti falanta e la ago pluvar. Ma nun me ne esas certa. Nam la guti= falanta esas (konstitucas) la ago pluvar. Se esus situeso en qua oportus d= istingar la guti falanta de la ago pluvar me apogus vua voko por nova sufix= o (o reexamino di nia komuna linguo-uzo), ma ton me ne povas vidar. Me kl= arigez ke me _ne_ esas vokanta por ula nova sufixo. Me nur questionas, nam = forsan me es erora ed ulu plu Idale savanta deserorigos me. >Me iros mem p= lu lontane: ne esas vera difero inter la du. La guti falanta es la ago pluv= ar. La ago pluvar es nulo plu kam guti falanta de nubi. Ni parolas pri la s= ama kozo. Por me existas klara difero inter pluvo: la aquo ipsa, qua falas= , ed pluvo: la ago konsistanta en falar aquo. La unesma es kozo materiala, = la duesma es ago. Es utila por vidar la diferenco (en ca ed altra kazi) uza= r exempli kun tempa duro: "La pluvo duris 30 minuti." Evidente, ci-fraze ni= ne referas al aquo falanta, ma al ago. Me esperas ke nun la distingo klare= skis. >Ne esas tote simila afero pri la voto: mea voto esas ago - skribar = ulo sur peco di papero. Por esar plu preciza oportas mencionar la peco di = papero. Ta-egarde, Ido ne diferas de la angla (vote - ballot slip). Me def= inus voto (ago) quale "formale expresar fido ad, o formale apogar ulo". Ma = forsan vu es justa ke on povas dicar "me pozis la votala bilieto aden la bu= xo". >Pri parolo semblas ke vu vizas la diferon inter la ago parolar - par= olo, e la kapablo parolar - paroliveso. Me pensas nun pri "opiniono". Ka o= l esas ideo personala pri ulo (qua on expresas o ne, segun onua volo), od a= go opinionar (qua esas fakte expreso di onua "opiniono"), od ambe? Salud= os, Marcos ---------------------------------------------------------------= --------- eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://w= ww.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 766 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 29833 invoked by uid 7770); 20 Jul 1999 18:12:07 -0000 Received: from qg.egroups.com (HELO qg.findmail.com) (10.1.2.27) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 20 Jul 1999 18:12:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 10208 invoked from network); 20 Jul 1999 18:12:07 -0000 Received: from farida.a2000.nl (HELO smtp1.a2000.nl) (62.108.1.19) by qg.egroups.com with SMTP; 20 Jul 1999 18:12:07 -0000 Received: from node118d7.a2000.nl ([24.132.24.215] helo=HansStuifbergen) by smtp1.a2000.nl with smtp (Exim 2.02 #4) id 116eN3-0000AB-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 20:12:05 +0200 Message-ID: <002401bed2dc$839d1320$d7188418@HansStuifbergen.a2000.nl> From: "Ido-Info" To: "idolisto" Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 20:20:15 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Subject: [ido] varmeso duras Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kar amiko, Pos du dii de laborado me fine esos libera dum ca semano. Nun me ankore tre sudorifas pro la tre varma vetero. Es tre sufokiva, me gutifas adsur mea klavaro! Morge me recevos halterobenko (halteriero), me deziras kultivar mea muskuli. Holala, vanitatoz Idisto en Nederlando! Ma he, es somero, la plajo luras! ;-) Saluti amikala, Hans St., Amsterdam ************************************************************* >Ido, linguo internaciona, absolute vizitez: http://members.tripod.com/~avancigado nova: LA HERISONI, rakonteto desegnita, da Rymke, 56 pag. Fl. 2,50 / Euri 1,40 / 2 Int. Kuponi di Resp. / "...tre charmiva..." (T. Carlevaro) (anke videz: http://www.angelfire.com/id/Avance/TiaListo1.html) ************************************************************* ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 767 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 31701 invoked by uid 7770); 20 Jul 1999 18:14:46 -0000 Received: from qh.egroups.com (HELO qh.findmail.com) (10.1.2.28) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 20 Jul 1999 18:14:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 16485 invoked from network); 20 Jul 1999 18:14:44 -0000 Received: from farida.a2000.nl (HELO smtp1.a2000.nl) (62.108.1.19) by qh.egroups.com with SMTP; 20 Jul 1999 18:14:44 -0000 Received: from node118d7.a2000.nl ([24.132.24.215] helo=HansStuifbergen) by smtp1.a2000.nl with smtp (Exim 2.02 #4) id 116ePa-0000TI-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 20:14:42 +0200 Message-ID: <003101bed2dc$e11c02e0$d7188418@HansStuifbergen.a2000.nl> From: "Ido-Info" To: "idolisto" Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 20:22:52 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Subject: [ido] Fw: Mesajo da Alfred Neussner Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002E_01BED2ED.A47BA000" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ------=_NextPart_000_002E_01BED2ED.A47BAA000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" content-transfer-encoding: 7bit content-type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" >Kar amiko > >Me ne akuzis l'ldisti, me nur konstatis la fakti. Se preske nulu volas >venar ed omna nepartoprenanti dicas: Aranjez renkontro, ma sen me, lore >tala aranjuro falias. Se 20 000 Esperantisti volunte foye partoprenus >UEA-kongreso e nur 1000 venas, lore to tamen esas granda kongreso, ma se de >20-30 Idisti nur venas 3, lore on povas obliviar to. >La valor-diminuto di la EURO ye forsan 10% helpas nulo ad Idisti, di qui la >revenuo esas 200, 300, 400 $ monate. Por ti, qui meze havas nia revenui, >nur esas mikra avantajo, ma ne decidiva. >Ultre to: Se la EURO-kurso ad extere falas, lore nur esas avantajo se >samtempe interne di Europa la preci restas konstanta. > >Saluti Alfred >alfred.neussner@idolinguo.de ************************************************************* >Ido, linguo internaciona, absolute vizitez: http://members.tripod.com/~avancigado nova: LA HERISONI, rakonteto desegnita, da Rymke, 56 pag. Fl. 2,50 / Euri 1,40 / 2 Int. Kuponi di Resp. / "...tre charmiva..." (T. Carlevaro) (anke videz: http://www.angelfire.com/id/Avance/TiaListo1.html) ************************************************************* ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications ------=_NextPart_000_002E_01BED2ED.A47BAA000-- From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 768 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 28891 invoked by uid 7770); 20 Jul 1999 21:57:50 -0000 Received: from qg.egroups.com (HELO qg.findmail.com) (10.1.2.27) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 20 Jul 1999 21:57:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 24041 invoked from network); 20 Jul 1999 21:57:49 -0000 Received: from gilliam.vip.uk.com (194.176.218.1) by qg.egroups.com with SMTP; 20 Jul 1999 21:57:49 -0000 Received: from default (VIP-206-192.vip.uk.com [194.176.206.192]) by gilliam.vip.uk.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id WAA17082 for ; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 22:57:43 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <000001bed2f9$786c3680$c0ceb0c2@default> From: "wood" To: Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 22:37:26 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Subject: [ido] Dyer Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0004_01BED300.71629760" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BED300.716299760 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Kar amiki Dyer skribis: "If anything is found in an Ido text for which a l= ogical reason does not exist it is bad Ido." Sen-dube, la substantival -o,= utila por eufonio, ne es necesa por kompreno. Mem Esperanto permisas omiso= dil -o. (Videz Regulo 16.) Amikala saluti Tom Wood -------------------= ------------------------------------------------------ ___________=3D=3D_ADZ= ZXXP eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.eg= roups.com - Simplifying group communications ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BED300.716299760 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable content-type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1"
Kar amiki
Dyer skribis:  &q= uot;If anything is found in an Ido text for which a logical reason does no= t exist it is bad Ido."
Sen-dube, la substantival  -o, utila por eufonio, ne es nec= esa por kompreno. Mem Esperanto permisas omiso dil  -o.  (Videz = Regulo 16.)
Amikala = saluti
Tom Wood
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------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BED300.716299760-- From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 769 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 19240 invoked by uid 7770); 21 Jul 1999 01:09:00 -0000 Received: from qg.egroups.com (HELO qg.findmail.com) (10.1.2.27) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 21 Jul 1999 01:09:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 28679 invoked from network); 21 Jul 1999 01:08:59 -0000 Received: from vasquez.zip.com.au (203.12.97.41) by qg.egroups.com with SMTP; 21 Jul 1999 01:08:59 -0000 Received: from kalocsay (itchy44.zip.com.au [61.8.12.44]) by vasquez.zip.com.au (8.9.2/8.9.1) with SMTP id LAA01025 for ; Wed, 21 Jul 1999 11:01:52 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <00ea01bed315$6b3ebc00$2c0c083d@kalocsay> From: "Adrian Neilson Hall" To: References: <005001becee8$f3563400$d7188418@HansStuifbergen.a2000.nl> <379007a1.867998@mail.infomail.es> <01a701bed252$197e2040$3e14083d@kalocsay> <37946162.2844825@mail.infomail.es> Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 11:07:33 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Subject: [ido] Re: Nova kodexi Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable La fascinanta diskuto duras. Marcos skribis: > Me klarigez ke me _ne_ e= sas vokanta por ula nova sufixo. Me nur > questionas, nam forsan me es eror= a ed ulu plu Idale savanta > deserorigos me. > Perdonez me. Me atribuis a = vu skopon quan vu ne vizis. Nu, semblas a me ke vu ne eroras. Ne esas moyen= o reflektar la nuanci quin vu diskutas, per la sufixi existanta. Nur es pos= ibla lin expresar per adjuntita vorti. Me dicez tamen ke segun me, ta nua= nci es tre tre subtila, mem tro subtila por meritar expresuro per aparta vo= rti. Me opinionas ke la kuntexto preske sempre klarigos ka la parolanto (o = skribanto) vizas la guti falanta o la ago falar dil guti. Mem plu: en presk= e omni situesi, ne oportos distingar la ago del guti. Vu enlumigis interes= antan temon. Vu montris ke ne esas posibla expresar omni nuanci per la sufi= ksal sistemo di Ido. En ta senco, forsan la linguo ne esas "perfekta". Ma = Ido certe esas plu lokigoza kam omni altra lingui e tam nuancizita kam posi= bla, sen trokomplikar la sufiksal sistemo. -----------------------------= -------------------------------------------- eGroups.com home: http://www.e= groups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group commun= ications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 770 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 30394 invoked by uid 7770); 21 Jul 1999 01:27:30 -0000 Received: from qg.egroups.com (HELO qg.findmail.com) (10.1.2.27) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 21 Jul 1999 01:27:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 32119 invoked from network); 21 Jul 1999 01:27:29 -0000 Received: from vasquez.zip.com.au (203.12.97.41) by qg.egroups.com with SMTP; 21 Jul 1999 01:27:29 -0000 Received: from kalocsay (itchy44.zip.com.au [61.8.12.44]) by vasquez.zip.com.au (8.9.2/8.9.1) with SMTP id LAA02307 for ; Wed, 21 Jul 1999 11:20:22 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <00f101bed318$011ce7e0$2c0c083d@kalocsay> From: "Adrian Neilson Hall" To: References: <000001bed2f9$786c3680$c0ceb0c2@default> Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 11:26:03 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Subject: [ido] Re: Dyer Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Amikal saluti >Tom skribis ke Dyer skribis: "If anything is found in an I= do text for which a >logical reason does not exist it is bad Ido." >Sen-dub= e, la substantival -o, utila por eufonio, ne es necesa por kompreno. >Mem = Esperanto permisas omiso dil -o. (Videz Regulo 16.) Nu jes.... tamen, me= preferas ke la marko di nur un kategorio gramatikal esez faligebla. Se du = (o tri) vorti en un frazo perdas sua final vokali, kelkafoje me sentas la b= ezono rilektar la frazo por esar certa pri la signifiko, precipue se un ek = la vorti es substantivo e l'altra apartenas al kategorio verbal. Se de ta v= erbo esas posibla derivar direte substantivo, me penseskas: "Qua es la subs= tantivo?" Segun la komuna uzo, nur la adjektivi faligas la gramatikal dezi= nenco. To semblas esar la plus bona voyo, egarde al komprenebleso. kordial= e Adrian ----------------------------------------------------------------= -------- eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://ww= w.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 771 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 32752 invoked by uid 7770); 21 Jul 1999 07:37:22 -0000 Received: from qh.egroups.com (HELO qh.findmail.com) (10.1.2.28) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 21 Jul 1999 07:37:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 11092 invoked from network); 21 Jul 1999 07:37:20 -0000 Received: from spartacus.a2000.nl (HELO smtp2.a2000.nl) (62.108.1.20) by qh.egroups.com with SMTP; 21 Jul 1999 07:37:20 -0000 Received: from node118d7.a2000.nl ([24.132.24.215] helo=HansStuifbergen) by smtp2.a2000.nl with smtp (Exim 2.02 #4) id 116qwJ-0004TI-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Wed, 21 Jul 1999 09:37:19 +0200 Message-ID: <000f01bed34d$0175ea40$d7188418@HansStuifbergen.a2000.nl> From: "Ido-Info" To: "idolisto" Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 09:45:30 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Subject: [ido] C.J. Cherryh Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kar amiki, Yen quon skribis l' Usana skriptisto di cienco-fiktivo C.J. Cherryh pri Ido: "Gratias maximas. Ido nescio sed faciliter lego...ecce prima ratio linguae universalis. Fortuna te faveat". Me sendis mikra mesajo (en Ido) a lu pos lektir lua pagini pri la Latina, lua favorata linguo. Saluti amikala, Hans St. ************************************************************* >Ido, linguo internaciona, absolute vizitez: http://members.tripod.com/~avancigado nova: LA HERISONI, rakonteto desegnita, da Rymke, 56 pag. Fl. 2,50 / Euri 1,40 / 2 Int. Kuponi di Resp. / "...tre charmiva..." (T. Carlevaro) (anke videz: http://www.angelfire.com/id/Avance/TiaListo1.html) ************************************************************* ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 772 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 10771 invoked by uid 7770); 21 Jul 1999 07:48:52 -0000 Received: from qg.egroups.com (HELO qg.findmail.com) (10.1.2.27) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 21 Jul 1999 07:48:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 9733 invoked from network); 21 Jul 1999 07:48:52 -0000 Received: from spartacus.a2000.nl (HELO smtp2.a2000.nl) (62.108.1.20) by qg.egroups.com with SMTP; 21 Jul 1999 07:48:52 -0000 Received: from node118d7.a2000.nl ([24.132.24.215] helo=HansStuifbergen) by smtp2.a2000.nl with smtp (Exim 2.02 #4) id 116r7T-0004jN-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Wed, 21 Jul 1999 09:48:51 +0200 Message-ID: <001901bed34e$9dccb120$d7188418@HansStuifbergen.a2000.nl> From: "Ido-Info" To: Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 09:57:01 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Subject: [ido] kuntexto Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kar amiki, Me konkordas Adrian koncernante l' eliziono (faligo) di dezinenci. Anke me ofte experiencas tre desfacile fluante lektar texti se me ankore devas pensar quo es intencita: verbo, substantivo, adjektivo, edc. Ne ofte es klara, per okulostroko, quo es intencita. Lore on erste parlektez la texto ante komprenar de la kuntexto. Es quale se duopla lektado. Saluti amikala, Hans St. ************************************************************* >Ido, linguo internaciona, absolute vizitez: http://members.tripod.com/~avancigado nova: LA HERISONI, rakonteto desegnita, da Rymke, 56 pag. Fl. 2,50 / Euri 1,40 / 2 Int. Kuponi di Resp. / "...tre charmiva..." (T. Carlevaro) (anke videz: http://www.angelfire.com/id/Avance/TiaListo1.html) ************************************************************* ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 773 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 21076 invoked by uid 7770); 21 Jul 1999 07:59:23 -0000 Received: from qh.egroups.com (HELO qh.findmail.com) (10.1.2.28) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 21 Jul 1999 07:59:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 14659 invoked from network); 21 Jul 1999 07:59:23 -0000 Received: from spartacus.a2000.nl (HELO smtp2.a2000.nl) (62.108.1.20) by qh.egroups.com with SMTP; 21 Jul 1999 07:59:23 -0000 Received: from node118d7.a2000.nl ([24.132.24.215] helo=HansStuifbergen) by smtp2.a2000.nl with smtp (Exim 2.02 #4) id 116rHe-00050S-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Wed, 21 Jul 1999 09:59:22 +0200 Message-ID: <001b01bed350$16062b20$d7188418@HansStuifbergen.a2000.nl> From: "Ido-Info" To: "idolisto" Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 10:07:33 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Subject: [ido] C.J. Cherryh (adjunto) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kar amiki, Me intencis anke adjuntar la retal adreso di la pagini da C.J. Cherryh, ma evidente obliviis. Yen: http://www.cherryh.com/ Vi komprenez, es en l' Angla. Saluti, Hans St. ************************************************************* >Ido, linguo internaciona, absolute vizitez: http://members.tripod.com/~avancigado nova: LA HERISONI, rakonteto desegnita, da Rymke, 56 pag. Fl. 2,50 / Euri 1,40 / 2 Int. Kuponi di Resp. / "...tre charmiva..." (T. Carlevaro) (anke videz: http://www.angelfire.com/id/Avance/TiaListo1.html) ************************************************************* ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 774 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 18958 invoked by uid 7770); 21 Jul 1999 11:41:10 -0000 Received: from qg.egroups.com (HELO qg.findmail.com) (10.1.2.27) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 21 Jul 1999 11:41:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 15194 invoked from network); 21 Jul 1999 11:41:09 -0000 Received: from farida.a2000.nl (HELO smtp1.a2000.nl) (62.108.1.19) by qg.egroups.com with SMTP; 21 Jul 1999 11:41:09 -0000 Received: from node118d7.a2000.nl ([24.132.24.215] helo=HansStuifbergen) by smtp1.a2000.nl with smtp (Exim 2.02 #4) id 116ukG-0001lm-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Wed, 21 Jul 1999 13:41:08 +0200 Message-ID: <000c01bed36f$118f7f00$d7188418@HansStuifbergen.a2000.nl> From: "Ido-Info" To: "idolisto" Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 13:49:19 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Subject: [ido] Frank, la respondi Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kar amiko Frank, Me rimemoras ke tu ankore deziris savar quo eventis a Diego e Sofie (du Ido-amiki asistinta la konfero en Bakkum, 1997). Diego ankore es tre interesata pri Ido, mem, ca semano o la semano sequanta il difuzas reklamofolieti en l' edifici dil universitato di Amsterdam por vekigar l' intereso di altri por (studiar) Ido. Regretinde, il ipsa shamas pro sua mala savo di Ido e pregis a me interkambiar lecioni. Diego es docisto pri la Hispana e docos a me la Hispana e me Ido a lu. Se la reklamofolieto sucesar solicitar nova interesati, lore me durigos la docado di Ido pos la somerala vakanco. Sofie, to es altra naraco, el employesis da medio-agenterio, el nun pre-informas su pri famozi interviuvenda da jurnalisti, e donas l' informajo a la jurnalisto qua interviuvos la famozo. Pro ta laboro el ofte mustas voyajar adexterlande. Anke es fakto ke elua genitori vivas en Chinia. Do kombinante elua laborala taski e familiala cirkonstanci el ne havas multa tempo okupar pri Ido. El ankore restas bon amiko, komprenende. Ho, ed Ido-Saluto? Ido-Saluto balde falos en tua buxo postala. Hodie me recevis karto postala da Aleksas Masiukas, Esperantist-amiko de Murmansk. Il es, me kredas, prezidanto di la Murmanskana Esperantogrupo. Il deziras lernar Ido pro amikeso e deziras amikale salutar l' Idisti. Saluti amikala, Hans St. ************************************************************* - Ido, linguo internaciona, absolute vizitez: http://members.tripod.com/~avancigado - nove: LA HERISONI, rakonteto desegnita, da Rymke, 56 pag. Fl. 2,50 / Euri 1,40 / 2 Int. Kuponi di Resp. / "...tre charmiva..." (T. Carlevaro) (anke videz: http://www.angelfire.com/id/Avance/TiaListo1.html) ************************************************************* ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 775 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 27627 invoked by uid 7770); 21 Jul 1999 11:57:05 -0000 Received: from qg.egroups.com (HELO qg.findmail.com) (10.1.2.27) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 21 Jul 1999 11:57:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 17710 invoked from network); 21 Jul 1999 11:57:05 -0000 Received: from law-f122.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (209.185.131.185) by qg.egroups.com with SMTP; 21 Jul 1999 11:57:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 22870 invoked by uid 0); 21 Jul 1999 11:57:05 -0000 Message-ID: <19990721115705.22869.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 159.15.128.3 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 21 Jul 1999 04:57:04 PDT From: "James Chandler" To: idolisto@egroups.com Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 11:57:04 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] Fwd: Dyer Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tom Wood skribis: >Dyer skribis: "If anything is found in an Ido text for which a logical >reason does not exist it is bad Ido." >Sen-dube, la substantival -o, utila por eufonio, ne es necesa por >kompreno. Mem Esperanto permisas omiso dil -o. (Videz Regulo 16.) Ido uzas sistemo di distinganta finali (dezinenci) por vorto-klasi. O ni konservas ta sistemo, o ni abandonas ol. Ma la voyo propozata da sro W. semblas stulta: konservar la sistemo, ma permisar olua tota destrukto en frazi per segunvola eliziono. Pluse, -o es utila e mem bezonata multakaze por eufonio. La poemi da sro W. es ofte tre bela, ma ne pro eufonio, quon ofte li indijas pro manko di -o. Triesme, permisar eliziono di -o ultre -a duktus a preska nepredicebleso di idala frazi. Ne nur omna adjektivo havus alternativa formo (bon, bona), ma anke omna subs. havus alternativo (hund, hundo). Se omna posibleso di eliziono propozata da sro W. esus uzata da idisti, la audanto esus tote konfundita. Sro W. deziras linguo en qua vorto-klasi ne es markizita per dezinenci. Il darfas opinionar tale. Ma lua idei ne funcionos en Ido, ed il disipas sua tempo per itere ed itere propozar oli. Kordiale, James Chandler idojc@hotmail.com http://yi.com/home/ChandlerJames http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Forum/5037 ______________________________________________________ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 776 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 1621 invoked by uid 7770); 21 Jul 1999 14:12:29 -0000 Received: from qh.egroups.com (HELO qh.findmail.com) (10.1.2.28) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 21 Jul 1999 14:12:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 16869 invoked from network); 21 Jul 1999 14:12:28 -0000 Received: from ncc1.infomail.es (HELO infomail.es) (194.224.53.134) by qh.egroups.com with SMTP; 21 Jul 1999 14:12:28 -0000 Received: from 36245.rad.bbv.es ([195.235.36.245]) by infomail.es (Tid InfoMail Exchanger v2.20) with SMTP id #932566733.035650001; Wed, 21 Jul 1999 16:18:53 +0200 From: xavo@bbvnet.com To: idolisto@egroups.com Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 14:13:32 GMT Message-ID: <37990bd8.11750129@mail.infomail.es> References: <000001bed2f9$786c3680$c0ceb0c2@default> In-Reply-To: <000001bed2f9$786c3680$c0ceb0c2@default> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.01/32.397 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Infomail-Id: 932566733.0DED010A811066.47254 Subject: [ido] Re: Dyer Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Tem Tue, 20 Jul 1999 22:37:26 +0100, "wood" skribis: >Kar= amiki >Dyer skribis: "If anything is found in an Ido text for which a log= ical reason does not exist it is bad Ido." >Sen-dube, la substantival -o, = utila por eufonio, ne es necesa por kompreno. Mem Esperanto permisas omiso = dil -o. (Videz Regulo 16.) Kara Tom, De tempo a tempo me legas vun prit= raktanta la finaji-omisala afero. Semblas ke vu demandas plu di libereso ch= e la uzo di nia linguo. Me pensas ke omiso di un determinita finajo (kun la= korespondanta anstatilo ' ) es posibla, e ni ya povas facar to en Ido che = la adjektivala -a finajo. Ma se ni permesus to che ula vorto la rezultato e= sus ule konfuza, nam ni mustus divinar quala es la omisata finajo en singla= kazo. Saludos, Marcos -----------------------------------------------= ------------------------- eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/i= dolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 777 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 22508 invoked by uid 7770); 21 Jul 1999 17:41:00 -0000 Received: from qg.egroups.com (HELO qg.findmail.com) (10.1.2.27) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 21 Jul 1999 17:40:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 3318 invoked from network); 21 Jul 1999 17:40:57 -0000 Received: from gilliam.vip.uk.com (194.176.218.1) by qg.egroups.com with SMTP; 21 Jul 1999 17:40:57 -0000 Received: from default (VIP-206-71.vip.uk.com [194.176.206.71]) by gilliam.vip.uk.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id SAA04232 for ; Wed, 21 Jul 1999 18:40:54 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <000701bed39e$bff43a20$47ceb0c2@default> From: "wood" To: Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 18:30:19 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Subject: [ido] Ido Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0004_01BED3A7.167DE0A0" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BED3A7.167DEE0A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Kar amiki La kauzo dil problemo kun 'pluvo', por exemplo, es en la deriv-si= stemo ipsa. La regulo pri la direta derivo di substantivo de verbo ne es pr= aktikala. La kuntexto determinas la preciza signifiko di vorto. ***********= * Martin ************ Nova forumo --- ecelanta ideo. Amikala saluti Tom Wo= od ----------------------------------------------------------------------= -- ___________=3D=3D_ADZZXXP eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/grou= p/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BED3A7.167DEE0A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable content-type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1"
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La kauzo dil problemo = kun 'pluvo', por exemplo, es en la deriv-sistemo ipsa. La regulo pri la di= reta derivo di substantivo de verbo ne es praktikala. La kuntexto determin= as la preciza signifiko di vorto.
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Nova forumo = --- ecelanta ideo.
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------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BED3A7.167DEE0A0-- From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 778 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 4762 invoked by uid 7770); 22 Jul 1999 00:55:13 -0000 Received: from qg.egroups.com (HELO qg.findmail.com) (10.1.2.27) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 22 Jul 1999 00:55:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 6405 invoked from network); 22 Jul 1999 00:55:13 -0000 Received: from vasquez.zip.com.au (203.12.97.41) by qg.egroups.com with SMTP; 22 Jul 1999 00:55:13 -0000 Received: from kalocsay (stan26.zip.com.au [61.8.17.26]) by vasquez.zip.com.au (8.9.2/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA04178 for ; Thu, 22 Jul 1999 10:47:59 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <00fa01bed3dc$a94fd5c0$1a11083d@kalocsay> From: "Adrian Neilson Hall" To: References: <000701bed39e$bff43a20$47ceb0c2@default> Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 10:53:46 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Subject: [ido] Re: Ido Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Kar amiki Esis Martin o Tom qua skribis: >La kauzo dil problemo kun 'pluv= o', por exemplo, es en la deriv-sistemo ipsa. >La regulo pri la direta deri= vo di substantivo de verbo ne es praktikala. La >kuntexto determinas la pre= ciza signifiko di vorto. Me ne es certa pri la identeso dil autoro. Tamen = me respondos: Segun me, un ek la granda belesi dil idolinguo es la princ= ipo de inversigebleso en la derivo-sistemo. E almene a me semblas ke la dir= eta derivo di substantivo de verbo fitas nete aden ta sistemo. Men interes= as vua aserto ke la direta derivo di substantivo de verbo ne es praktikal. = Ka vu povas donar exemplo (en kuntexto). La kuntexto determinas la preciz= a signifiko di vorto. Ton me ne disputas. Ma ta fakto ne kontredicas la reg= ulo pri la direta derivo di substantivo de verbo, o ne facas la regulo nepr= aktikal. Almene, ne de mea prezenta vidpunto. ---------------------------= ---------------------------------------------- eGroups.com home: http://www= .egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group comm= unications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 779 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 16995 invoked by uid 7770); 22 Jul 1999 03:58:52 -0000 Received: from qg.egroups.com (HELO qg.findmail.com) (10.1.2.27) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 22 Jul 1999 03:58:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 15789 invoked from network); 22 Jul 1999 03:58:47 -0000 Received: from mga2.primo.co.jp (210.145.40.130) by qg.egroups.com with SMTP; 22 Jul 1999 03:58:47 -0000 Received: from mga2.primo.co.jp (unverified [210.145.40.140]) by mga2.primo.co.jp (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Thu, 22 Jul 1999 13:01:37 +0900 Message-ID: <000d01bed3f5$72c34280$8c2891d2@primo.co.jp> From: "Bebson Y. TAKATA" To: "IDOLISTO" References: Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 12:44:29 +0900 Organization: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Subject: [ido] Ab asino lanam quaerere. Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-2022-jp" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kara Sri Cibernauti:#1 Generalajo #2 Linguo #3 Politiko #4 Religio ============================================================================== Kara Sro Jean MARTIGNON:#2 Re: Estne Dominus Taccata?? ============================================================================== Agro bene culto nihil potest esse nec usu uberius nec specie ornatius. ============================================================================== Kara Sro Thomas WOOD:#2 Ab asino lanam quaerere. \(^_^)/ Hahaha! ============================================================================== Kande yuna, me tre prizis lektar Chuang-tzu, sakra libro da/por Taoismo. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Xizhe Zhuang-zhou meng wei hudie. Xuxuran hudie ye. Zi yu di zhi yu. Buzhi Zhou ye. E er jiao. Ze ququran Zhou ye. Buzhi Zhou zhi meng wei hudie yu hudie zhi meng wei Zhou yu. Zhou yu hudie ze bi you fen yi. Ci zhi wei wuhua. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Once Chuang Chou dreamt he was a butterfly, a butterfly flitting and fluttering around, happy with himself and doing as he pleased. He didn't know he was Chuang Chou. Suddenly he woke up and there he was, solid and unmistakable Chuang Chou. But he didn't know if he was Chuang Chou who had dreamt he was a butterfly, or a butterfly dreaming he was Chuang Chou. Between Chuang Chou and a butterfly there must be some distinction! This is called the Transformation of Things. (tradukita da Burton Watson) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ La tradukuro da Burton Watson influesis da la tradukuro en la Japona linguo. Lo signifikas ke lua tradukuro divenis facile komprenebla da/por omni. Me vidas ke Thomas-WOOD-Papiliono ya sempre sonjas esur altra Zamenhof. Pro quo vua harpo ne havas plu kam un kordo? -> Vu klimas arboro por fisho. Pro quo vu ne selektis Esperanto anstat* Idon? -> Besser spaet als nie. -> Never put off till tomorrow what can be done today. -> Ka me esas hucpoza*? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Adio! .....sincere via, B.Y.T. .....Idisto ed Idiotisto pro mea limitizita edukado ed anke Ido-Kavaliero e shinko-aktoro di Teatro FilozofiACHala ============================================================================== Pliz* indikez mea erori pri vorti, gramatiko, dicmaniero ec., nam me esas nura ne-edukito e devas lernar dum ke me vivas. Me sempre esperas, samideani, via amikeso por EXTRA prenar peno de via parto por instruktar me, qua durstas ye savo ulaspecala. Tamen en rara kazo kande me savas plu bone kam vi, me volunte transdonos mea humila savo a vi segun via bezoni. ============================================================================== ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 780 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 15048 invoked by uid 7770); 22 Jul 1999 09:50:26 -0000 Received: from qh.egroups.com (HELO qh.findmail.com) (10.1.2.28) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 22 Jul 1999 09:50:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 7938 invoked from network); 22 Jul 1999 09:50:27 -0000 Received: from law-f154.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (209.185.131.217) by qh.egroups.com with SMTP; 22 Jul 1999 09:50:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 6105 invoked by uid 0); 22 Jul 1999 09:50:27 -0000 Message-ID: <19990722095027.6104.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 159.15.128.3 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 22 Jul 1999 02:50:26 PDT From: "James Chandler" To: idolisto@egroups.com Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 09:50:26 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] Fwd: Lingui-milito Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sro Martignon skribis: >La Finlandani trovis solvuro : li >nun che la interreto dil prezidenteso >uzas la Latina. Lingual problemi en la UE semblas nun duktar a ta solvo: rivivigo di latina. Me skribis artiklo por Progreso pri tre simila kazo, qua aparos en la nexta* numero. >Forsan ni devus >imitar li e lernar la Latina. Certe >ol ne esas tre facila, ma ol esas >plu difuzita kam Ido. To ne semblas bona voyo. Quale me expilkas en l'artiklo, Couturat e Leau (e pluse Jespersen) argumentis konvinkive kontre latina. >Adminime en la >Latina ne esas reformeri qui volas >sencese "ameliorar" la linguo. La >dicionarii pri ita idiomo esas tote >sekura. To ne es justa: videz la diskuto en Jespersen, An International Language, 1928. Esas tre necerta, quala latina on esforcus introduktar. Kordiale, James Chandler idojc@hotmail.com http://yi.com/home/ChandlerJames http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Forum/5037 ______________________________________________________ From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 781 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 1368 invoked by uid 7770); 22 Jul 1999 18:21:31 -0000 Received: from qg.egroups.com (HELO qg.findmail.com) (10.1.2.27) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 22 Jul 1999 18:21:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 3683 invoked from network); 22 Jul 1999 18:21:31 -0000 Received: from spielberg.vip.uk.com (194.176.218.9) by qg.egroups.com with SMTP; 22 Jul 1999 18:21:31 -0000 Received: from vip-206-27.vip.uk.com ([194.176.206.27] helo=default) by spielberg.vip.uk.com with smtp (Exim 3.02 #1) id 117NUD-0001MA-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Thu, 22 Jul 1999 19:22:30 +0100 Message-ID: <000701bed46d$922562c0$1bceb0c2@default> From: "wood" To: Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 19:10:11 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Subject: [ido] Ido Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0004_01BED475.D2AF0460" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BED475.D2AF00460 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Kar amiki Voluntez notar ke me ne propozas la komplet aboliso dil dezinenci= . Komprenende, on mustas retenar adminime sat multa dezinenci por kompreno = ed eufonio. Noto de Raporto da Roze (1937), p 91: -o- eliziono de substant= ivi, kande la kuntexto igas omno absolute klara, es propozo e deziro di plu= ra amiki ... Amikala saluti Tom Wood ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BED475.D2AF00460 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable content-type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1"
Kar amiki
Voluntez notar ke me ne propozas la komplet aboliso= dil dezinenci. Komprenende, on mustas retenar adminime sat multa dezinenc= i por kompreno ed eufonio.
Noto de Raporto da Roze (1937), p 91:  -o- eliziono de substantivi, = kande la kuntexto igas omno absolute klara, es propozo e deziro di plura a= miki ...
Amikala saluti
Tom Wood
------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BED475.D2AF00460-- From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 782 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@eGroups.com Received: (qmail 11050 invoked by uid 7770); 22 Jul 1999 18:31:15 -0000 Received: from qh.egroups.com (HELO qh.findmail.com) (10.1.2.28) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 22 Jul 1999 18:31:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 28983 invoked from network); 22 Jul 1999 18:31:14 -0000 Received: from mu.egroups.com (207.138.41.151) by qh.egroups.com with SMTP; 22 Jul 1999 18:31:14 -0000 Received: from [10.1.2.24] by mu.egroups.com with NNFMP; 22 Jul 1999 19:31:14 -0000 Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 11:31:12 -0700 From: idolinguo@geocities.com To: idolisto@eGroups.com Message-ID: <7n7o1g$2670@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.76 X-Mailer: www.eGroups.com Message Poster Subject: [ido] Kreo di francidol Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kar amiki Me jus kreis la forumo francidol ad http://www.egroups.com/group/franci dol/ Me propozas me elaborar kelk artikli tempope. Ico faciligos me por posa publikigo paperal. Por enskribesar, suficar sendar la mesajo subscribe francidol ad francidol-subscribe@egroups.com sen temizar la mesajo. Maxim amike vin salutas Martin From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 783 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 964 invoked by uid 7770); 22 Jul 1999 19:39:29 -0000 Received: from qg.egroups.com (HELO qg.findmail.com) (10.1.2.27) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 22 Jul 1999 19:39:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 22029 invoked from network); 22 Jul 1999 19:39:29 -0000 Received: from out2.minitel.net (HELO gmailint2.globalmail.net) (193.252.91.11) by qg.egroups.com with SMTP; 22 Jul 1999 19:39:29 -0000 Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 21:36:15 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199907221936.VAA10087@gmailint2.globalmail.net> From: jeanmartignon@minitel.net (JEAN MARTIGNON) To: idolisto@egroups.com (IDOLISTO) MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] Sekto en Chinia Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Kara cibernauti, Semblas ke danjeroza sekto minacas la ibala guvernerio en Chinia. La Chiniani esas mem multe plu efikoza kam la Eklezio di Ciencologio en Ocidento. La fato dil mondo povus komplete chanjar se la sekto kaptus la povo en Chinia. Kordiala ciberspacala saluti. JM From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 784 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 3847 invoked by uid 7770); 22 Jul 1999 20:19:18 -0000 Received: from qg.egroups.com (HELO qg.findmail.com) (10.1.2.27) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 22 Jul 1999 20:19:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 30883 invoked from network); 22 Jul 1999 20:19:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO gsvnt03.grupoargos.com) (207.49.83.53) by qg.egroups.com with SMTP; 22 Jul 1999 20:19:18 -0000 Received: from gsvnt01.intranet.grupoargos.com (GSVNT01 [207.49.83.55]) by gsvnt03.grupoargos.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2448.0) id PHSJ0M9H; Thu, 22 Jul 1999 15:21:51 -0500 Received: by GSVNT01 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id <3RK0GTY5>; Thu, 22 Jul 1999 15:25:05 -0500 Message-ID: <50FEF9BD92E3D211A3230001FAD4B790018C04@GSVNT01> From: Rigoberto Osorio To: "'idolisto@egroups.com'" Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 15:25:02 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Subject: [ido] Ido language friends Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear Idolisto Friends, My name is Rigoberto Osorio and I need any friends that say me where can I learn IDO. My national language is Spanish and I want to have textbooks, dictionaries or books in IDO-Spanish or Spanish.IDO, for I speak in IDO. The correct pronunciation is very important for me. Can I obtain videos or audio-tapes in IDO ? I hope for these friends. Please, send me e-mails to: Rosorio@grupoargos.com.co From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 785 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 30203 invoked by uid 7770); 22 Jul 1999 21:31:28 -0000 Received: from qg.egroups.com (HELO qg.findmail.com) (10.1.2.27) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 22 Jul 1999 21:31:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 15556 invoked from network); 22 Jul 1999 21:31:28 -0000 Received: from spartacus.a2000.nl (HELO smtp2.a2000.nl) (62.108.1.20) by qg.egroups.com with SMTP; 22 Jul 1999 21:31:28 -0000 Received: from node118d7.a2000.nl ([24.132.24.215] helo=HansStuifbergen) by smtp2.a2000.nl with smtp (Exim 2.02 #4) id 117QR5-0002z8-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Thu, 22 Jul 1999 23:31:27 +0200 Message-ID: <000701bed48a$b4e78640$d7188418@HansStuifbergen.a2000.nl> From: "Ido-Info" To: "idolisto" Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 23:39:37 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Subject: [ido] Saluto Rigoberto Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tre estimata Rigoberto Osorio, Esez bon-venanta che 'idolisto' or in English: Be welcome at 'idolisto'. You can find texts about Ido in Spanish on Internet through the address: http://members.tripod.com/~avancigado The pages also contain a little Ido-Spanish dictionary, to help you beginning the first lines in Ido. Estoy muy cierte que mis amigos hispano-hablantes aqui a 'idolisto' pueden informar a Usted como aprender Ido. Sucesez! Suerte! Saluti amikala, Hans Stuifbergen, Amsterdam ************************************************************* - Ido, linguo internaciona, absolute vizitez: http://members.tripod.com/~avancigado - nove: LA HERISONI, rakonteto desegnita, da Rymke, 56 pag. Fl. 2,50 / Euri 1,40 / 2 Int. Kuponi di Resp. / "...tre charmiva..." (T. Carlevaro) (anke videz: http://www.angelfire.com/id/Avance/TiaListo1.html) ************************************************************* From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 786 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 20235 invoked by uid 7770); 22 Jul 1999 21:59:02 -0000 Received: from qg.egroups.com (HELO qg.findmail.com) (10.1.2.27) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 22 Jul 1999 21:59:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 22163 invoked from network); 22 Jul 1999 21:59:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO gsvnt03.grupoargos.com) (207.49.83.53) by qg.egroups.com with SMTP; 22 Jul 1999 21:59:02 -0000 Received: from gsvnt01.intranet.grupoargos.com (GSVNT01 [207.49.83.55]) by gsvnt03.grupoargos.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2448.0) id PHSJ0M0L; Thu, 22 Jul 1999 17:01:36 -0500 Received: by GSVNT01 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id <3RK0GTZC>; Thu, 22 Jul 1999 17:04:49 -0500 Message-ID: <50FEF9BD92E3D211A3230001FAD4B790018C05@GSVNT01> From: Rigoberto Osorio To: "'idolisto@egroups.com'" Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 17:04:46 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Subject: [ido] Re: Saluto Rigoberto Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Muchas gracias por tu ayuda, es muy valiosa para m=ED. Thank you for your= help, it's very, very important for me. Rigoberto Osorio > -----Mensaje o= riginal----- > De: Ido-Info [SMTP:Ido.Info@zap.A2000.nl] > Enviado el: Juev= es 22 de Julio de 1999 04:40 PM > Para: idolisto > Asunto: [ido] Saluto Rig= oberto > > Tre estimata Rigoberto Osorio, > > Esez bon-venanta che 'idoli= sto' or in English: Be welcome at 'idolisto'. > > You can find texts about= Ido in Spanish on Internet through the address: > http://members.tripod.co= m/~avancigado > > The pages also contain a little Ido-Spanish dictionary, = to help you > beginning the first lines in Ido. > > Estoy muy cierte que m= is amigos hispano-hablantes aqui a 'idolisto' pueden > informar a Usted com= o aprender Ido. Sucesez! Suerte! > > Saluti amikala, > > Hans Stuifbergen= , Amsterdam > *************************************************************= > - Ido, linguo internaciona, absolute vizitez: > http://members.tripod.co= m/~avancigado > - nove: LA HERISONI, rakonteto desegnita, da Rymke, 56 pag.= Fl. 2,50 / > Euri > 1,40 / 2 Int. Kuponi di Resp. / "...tre charmiva..." = (T. Carlevaro) (anke > videz: http://www.angelfire.com/id/Avance/TiaListo1.= html) > ************************************************************* > > = > ------------------------------------------------------------------------= > Click Here to apply for a NextCard Internet Visa and start earning > FRE= E travel in HALF the time with the NextCard Rew@rds Program. > http://click= here.egroups.com/click/449 > > > > eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.= com/group/idolisto > http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communicati= ons > > > From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 787 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 1765 invoked by uid 7770); 22 Jul 1999 22:18:11 -0000 Received: from qh.egroups.com (HELO qh.findmail.com) (10.1.2.28) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 22 Jul 1999 22:18:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 15358 invoked from network); 22 Jul 1999 22:18:12 -0000 Received: from spartacus.a2000.nl (HELO smtp2.a2000.nl) (62.108.1.20) by qh.egroups.com with SMTP; 22 Jul 1999 22:18:12 -0000 Received: from node118d7.a2000.nl ([24.132.24.215] helo=HansStuifbergen) by smtp2.a2000.nl with smtp (Exim 2.02 #4) id 117RAI-0004IQ-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Fri, 23 Jul 1999 00:18:10 +0200 Message-ID: <006e01bed491$3c166680$d7188418@HansStuifbergen.a2000.nl> From: "Ido-Info" To: "idolisto" Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 00:26:21 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Subject: [ido] Rigoberto (denueve) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Muy estimado amigo, Lo siento mucho, pero he enviado el mismo mensaje (un poco mas ampliado) a su direcci�n privado del correo electronico. No sepa que es usted miembro de 'idolisto'. Por favor, perdoname, tambi�n para mi muy mal espanyol! Para ellos no hispano-hablantes: Me tre regretas, ma me sendis la sama mesajo (kelke plu ampla) a vua privata e-postal adreso. Me ne savis ke vu es membro di 'idolisto'. Me pregas, pardonez me, anke pro mea tre mala Hispana! Saluti amikala, Hans St. ************************************************************* - Ido, linguo internaciona, absolute vizitez: http://members.tripod.com/~avancigado - nove: LA HERISONI, rakonteto desegnita, da Rymke, 56 pag. Fl. 2,50 / Euri 1,40 / 2 Int. Kuponi di Resp. / "...tre charmiva..." (T. Carlevaro) (anke videz: http://www.angelfire.com/id/Avance/TiaListo1.html) ************************************************************* From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 788 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 8372 invoked by uid 7770); 22 Jul 1999 23:55:46 -0000 Received: from qh.egroups.com (HELO qh.findmail.com) (10.1.2.28) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 22 Jul 1999 23:55:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 2631 invoked from network); 22 Jul 1999 23:55:36 -0000 Received: from ncc2.infomail.es (HELO infomail.es) (194.224.53.135) by qh.egroups.com with SMTP; 22 Jul 1999 23:55:36 -0000 Received: from 206003.rad.bbv.es ([195.53.206.3]) by infomail.es (Tid InfoMail Exchanger v2.20) with SMTP id #932687305.239030003; Fri, 23 Jul 1999 01:48:25 +0200 From: xavo@bbvnet.com To: idolisto@egroups.com Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 23:56:41 GMT Message-ID: <379a9675.10533285@mail.infomail.es> References: <50FEF9BD92E3D211A3230001FAD4B790018C04@GSVNT01> In-Reply-To: <50FEF9BD92E3D211A3230001FAD4B790018C04@GSVNT01> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.01/32.397 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Infomail-Id: 932687305.5D5F030A811067.47826 Subject: [ido] Re: Ido language friends Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Tem Thu, 22 Jul 1999 15:25:02 -0500, Rigoberto Osorio skribis: >Dear Idolisto Friends, > >My name is Rigoberto Osorio and I = need any friends that say me where can I >learn IDO. My national language i= s Spanish and I want to have textbooks, >dictionaries or books in IDO-Spani= sh or Spanish.IDO, for I speak in IDO. The >correct pronunciation is very i= mportant for me. Can I obtain videos or >audio-tapes in IDO ? Hola, Rigobe= rto. Bienvenido a esta lista de correo, donde gentes de diversas nacionalid= ades se comunican y disfrutan hablando la Linguo Internaciona. Saluto, Ri= goberto. Bonvenez a ca listo di poshto, ube homi di diversa nacionaleci kom= unikeskas ed enjoyas parolante la Linguo Internaciona. Para empezar, te re= comiendo dos sitios webs (entre otros) que te ayudar=E1n a encontrar los ma= teriales que necesitas. Por komencar, me rekomendas a vu du web-siti (inte= r altra) qui helpos vun trovar la materiali qui vu bezonas: http://users.a= ol.com/idolinguo http://yi.com/home/ChandlerJames/ Por cierto, =BFde d=F3= nde eres? Yo soy de Espa=F1a. Altriparte, =BFde ube vu es? Me es de Hispani= o. Saludos, Marcos From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 789 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 12542 invoked by uid 7770); 23 Jul 1999 09:04:53 -0000 Received: from qh.egroups.com (HELO qh.findmail.com) (10.1.2.28) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 23 Jul 1999 09:04:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 9217 invoked from network); 23 Jul 1999 09:04:51 -0000 Received: from epmsa001.ep.minsk.by (194.226.122.227) by qh.egroups.com with SMTP; 23 Jul 1999 09:04:51 -0000 Received: by epmsa001.ep.minsk.by with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Fri, 23 Jul 1999 12:03:54 +0300 Message-ID: <8D76D48EDDD3D211AC3000A0C98212E703A886@epmsa001.ep.minsk.by> From: "Dmitri P. Laptsionak" To: "'idolisto@egroups.com'" Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 12:03:49 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Subject: [ido] Re: Kreo di francidol Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Saluto Me sustenas l' ideo krear nacilingua listo pri / por Ido. La sama ideo kreskas nun en kapi di kelka Esperantisti, qua volas krear USENET-forumo (inter la granda ok). La forumo esez angla-lingua e en ol onu diskutez, lernez, propagandez Esperanto en la Angla. Se ulu volas savar plu, vizitez grupon che eGroups. Zmicier. From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 790 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 31208 invoked by uid 7770); 23 Jul 1999 12:40:16 -0000 Received: from qg.egroups.com (HELO qg.findmail.com) (10.1.2.27) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 23 Jul 1999 12:40:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 26635 invoked from network); 23 Jul 1999 12:40:16 -0000 Received: from farida.a2000.nl (HELO smtp1.a2000.nl) (62.108.1.19) by qg.egroups.com with SMTP; 23 Jul 1999 12:40:16 -0000 Received: from node118d7.a2000.nl ([24.132.24.215] helo=HansStuifbergen) by smtp1.a2000.nl with smtp (Exim 2.02 #4) id 117ecZ-00032T-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Fri, 23 Jul 1999 14:40:15 +0200 Message-ID: <001801bed509$ab98eaa0$d7188418@HansStuifbergen.a2000.nl> From: "Ido-Info" To: "idolisto" Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 14:48:31 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Subject: [ido] Ido-kurso per eGroups Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kar amiki, Ka ne es posibla donar kursi per eGroups, ke ni kreez grupi en diferanta nacionala lingui por kursi Ido. Esos simila a la grupo 'francidol', Ido-grupo por Franca-parolanti. Me propozas ke personi de singla linguo nacionala reprezentata che 'idolisto' komencez propra studi- o lernogrupo pri Ido en nacionala linguo. Quale vi opinionas to, kad utile o ne? Cetere, me konstatis (ye quanta gradi es posibla savar la nacionalesi di la membri) ke che 'idolisto' l' Angla-parolanti es numero 1 (= la maxim granda grupo) 1 = l' Angla-parolanti 2 = la Hispana-parolanti 3 = la Franca-parolanti 4 = parolanti di la Germana, Nederlandana, Italiana, e la Rusa 5 = la Japoniana-parolanti 6 = parolanti di la Poloniana, Portugalana, Latviana, Sueda e la Norvegiana Saluti amikala, Hans St. ************************************************************* - Ido, linguo internaciona, absolute vizitez: http://members.tripod.com/~avancigado - nove: LA HERISONI, rakonteto desegnita, da Rymke, 56 pag. Fl. 2,50 / Euri 1,40 / 2 Int. Kuponi di Resp. / "...tre charmiva..." (T. Carlevaro) (anke videz: http://www.angelfire.com/id/Avance/TiaListo1.html) ************************************************************* From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 791 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 29924 invoked by uid 7770); 23 Jul 1999 14:43:02 -0000 Received: from qg.egroups.com (HELO qg.findmail.com) (10.1.2.27) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 23 Jul 1999 14:43:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 22577 invoked from network); 23 Jul 1999 14:43:01 -0000 Received: from mout00.kundenserver.de (195.20.224.69) by qg.egroups.com with SMTP; 23 Jul 1999 14:43:01 -0000 Received: from [195.20.224.68] (helo=mx02.kundenserver.de) by mout00.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 117gXM-0007Sb-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Fri, 23 Jul 1999 16:43:00 +0200 Received: from [212.122.136.166] (helo=www) by mx02.kundenserver.de with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 117gXK-0000aL-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Fri, 23 Jul 1999 16:42:58 +0200 Message-ID: <000d01bed519$82371820$a6887ad4@fen.baynet.de> From: "Frank Kasper" To: References: <000c01bed36f$118f7f00$d7188418@HansStuifbergen.a2000.nl> Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 16:40:46 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Subject: [ido] Re: Tua mesajo Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kar amiko! Me kordialege dankas a tu pro tua mesajo e la respondi koncerne di mea questioni. Me intertempe nur ankore recevis letro da Jerzy Gralak, qua itere esas tre malada. Semblante anke Francois Hounsounou quale ya multa altri olima korespond-amiki ne plus skribas a me. Ka tu venos ad Waldkappel? Me iros ad Anklam en sequanta jovdio e restos ibe dum un semano. Me tre esperas, ke me povos renkontrar Eberhard Scholz por instruar lu koncerne l'elektronika aferi. En jovdio, la 5ma di agosto me iros ad Waldkappel, ad ube anke venos nia Franca amiko Robert Pontnau. Pos la renkontro lu iros kun me a Nuernberg por restar ankore hike dum kelka dii. Do, me nun devas finar mea mesajo por ke me devas preparar su por la nokta laboro. Me nun deziras a tu agreabla semanofino. Por ke ol itere divenos sunoza e varma me kompreneble devas laborar dum la nokti e dormar dum la varmega jorni. Semblante me nur ankore havas libera tempo dum la desagreabla, kolda e pluvoza dii. Kordiala saluti de Nuernberg sendas Tua amiko Frank frank.kasper@idolinguo.de From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 792 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 5125 invoked by uid 7770); 23 Jul 1999 15:32:25 -0000 Received: from qh.egroups.com (HELO qh.findmail.com) (10.1.2.28) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 23 Jul 1999 15:32:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 18501 invoked from network); 23 Jul 1999 15:32:25 -0000 Received: from spartacus.a2000.nl (HELO smtp2.a2000.nl) (62.108.1.20) by qh.egroups.com with SMTP; 23 Jul 1999 15:32:25 -0000 Received: from node118d7.a2000.nl ([24.132.24.215] helo=HansStuifbergen) by smtp2.a2000.nl with smtp (Exim 2.02 #4) id 117hJA-0005nF-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Fri, 23 Jul 1999 17:32:24 +0200 Message-ID: <000a01bed521$b87eb020$d7188418@HansStuifbergen.a2000.nl> From: "Ido-Info" To: Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 17:40:41 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Subject: [ido] Re: Tua mesajo Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Kar amiko Frank, Danko pro vivosigno tua! Me ja timis ofensir tu ulamaniere. Me regretas ne venor a Waldkappel, es tro lontana, precipue nun me savas ke Diego ne povas vehar per l' automobilo. Se tu renkontros Eberhard Scholtz, varme salutez lu! Helpez lu, efektive, me lektis lua nomo inter la membri di idolisto, ma ne es certa ka lu povas recevar la mesaji. (Se yes, lore il probable anke lektos ca mesajo). Anke salutez Robert Pontnau, quankam me ne konocas lu personale. Me ankore havas libri en Wuppertal, se tu savas persono kun automobilo qua es vehanta vers Amsterdam, forsan ulo es aranjebla. Ka tu ne havas veho-permiso? Ulafoye tu ya posedis la famoza automobilo Est-Germaniana Trabant, ka ne? Adminime, to es quo tu a me naracis. Fran�ois Hounsounou es okupanta pri nova numero di "Afrikana Veko en Ido", por ke ol dissendesez al abonati ed interesati. Frank, anke a vu me deziras agreabla semanofino e bona laboro. Me nur bezonas laborar morge, en la muzeo. Sundio me es libera. La semano pasinta la vetero esis mala e koldeta, me mem acendis mea kalorizilo. Ma ca pos-dimezo la suno traruptis la nubi! Ridivenar varme! Se sundio es bela vetero me iros biciklagar longa disti exter Amsterdam per mea nova monto-biciklo. Me spektis tre agreabla filmo en la cinemo: Hideous Kinky, stelesante Kate Winslet e Said Taghmaoui. Koncernis yuna muliero kun du filiini en Maroko, komence la sepesma yardeko, lor la hipii. El travoyajis Maroko ed Aljeria. Bel imaji di amba landi, bone pleita da Kate Winslet, en kontrasto a Titanik, quan me opinionis tre tedive. Til riskribo che idolisto, saluti amikala, Hans St. ************************************************************* - Ido, linguo internaciona, absolute vizitez: http://members.tripod.com/~avancigado - nove: LA HERISONI, rakonteto desegnita, da Rymke, 56 pag. Fl. 2,50 / Euri 1,40 / 2 Int. Kuponi di Resp. / "...tre charmiva..." (T. Carlevaro) (anke videz: http://www.angelfire.com/id/Avance/TiaListo1.html) ************************************************************* From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 793 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 12315 invoked by uid 7770); 23 Jul 1999 15:41:29 -0000 Received: from qg.egroups.com (HELO qg.findmail.com) (10.1.2.27) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 23 Jul 1999 15:41:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 4461 invoked from network); 23 Jul 1999 15:41:29 -0000 Received: from spartacus.a2000.nl (HELO smtp2.a2000.nl) (62.108.1.20) by qg.egroups.com with SMTP; 23 Jul 1999 15:41:29 -0000 Received: from node118d7.a2000.nl ([24.132.24.215] helo=HansStuifbergen) by smtp2.a2000.nl with smtp (Exim 2.02 #4) id 117hRn-00065x-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Fri, 23 Jul 1999 17:41:19 +0200 Message-ID: <000c01bed522$f7db47a0$d7188418@HansStuifbergen.a2000.nl> From: "Ido-Info" To: "idolisto" Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 17:49:37 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Subject: [ido] Idokonkurso? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kar amiko Frank, Ante tu departas por laborar, me ne povas trovar l' Idokonkurso-texto en l' Angla. Ube es? Saluti amikala, Hans Stuifbergen ************************************************************* - Ido, linguo internaciona, absolute vizitez: http://members.tripod.com/~avancigado - nove: LA HERISONI, rakonteto desegnita, da Rymke, 56 pag. Fl. 2,50 / Euri 1,40 / 2 Int. Kuponi di Resp. / "...tre charmiva..." (T. Carlevaro) (anke videz: http://www.angelfire.com/id/Avance/TiaListo1.html) ************************************************************* From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 794 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@eGroups.com Received: (qmail 21920 invoked by uid 7770); 23 Jul 1999 16:35:02 -0000 Received: from qg.egroups.com (HELO qg.findmail.com) (10.1.2.27) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 23 Jul 1999 16:35:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 17313 invoked from network); 23 Jul 1999 16:35:02 -0000 Received: from mu.egroups.com (207.138.41.151) by qg.egroups.com with SMTP; 23 Jul 1999 16:35:02 -0000 Received: from [10.1.2.24] by mu.egroups.com with NNFMP; 23 Jul 1999 17:35:02 -0000 Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 09:35:01 -0700 From: idolinguo@geocities.com To: idolisto@eGroups.com Message-ID: <7na5jl$bn1s@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <003c01becd7d$65d7cc40$210c083d@kalocsay> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.76 X-Mailer: www.eGroups.com Message Poster Subject: [ido] Mea priojeto krear elektronika Ido-revueto kun poemi Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Me lektis joye ica propozo > Kad a vu plezus propozo di helpo en la desegno di la revuo retal. > > Me laboras por kompanio qua desegnas e konstruktas retal paginari (TTT-situi). > > Vu povas vidar exempli di mea laboro privata che la pagini: > > http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Study/5691/ kaj > http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Study/5691/flood3.htm Segun me, vidar la tota textaro aparinta en Letro Internaciona en TTT esus bonega kozo. La qualeso di ica revuo superpasas mem la majoritato dil Esperantista revui. Anke on povus pensar pri oficala TTTeyo por UMI uzante (e komprante) adreso quale www.idolinguo.com ube esus recenta (o mem omna) numeri di Progreso. Sior Kasper e Zeno certe explotos ica valoroza propozo da sioro Adrian Neilson Hall. Maxim amike vin salutas Martin From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 795 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 26529 invoked by uid 7770); 23 Jul 1999 16:39:27 -0000 Received: from qg.egroups.com (HELO qg.findmail.com) (10.1.2.27) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 23 Jul 1999 16:39:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 18583 invoked from network); 23 Jul 1999 16:38:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO gsvnt03.grupoargos.com) (207.49.83.53) by qg.egroups.com with SMTP; 23 Jul 1999 16:38:59 -0000 Received: from gsvnt01.intranet.grupoargos.com (GSVNT01 [207.49.83.55]) by gsvnt03.grupoargos.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2448.0) id PHSJ0NHB; Fri, 23 Jul 1999 11:41:30 -0500 Received: from rosorio.intranet.grupoargos.com (ROSORIO [10.0.21.87]) by gsvnt01.intranet.grupoargos.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2448.0) id 3RK0GT6K; Fri, 23 Jul 1999 11:44:30 -0500 From: "ROSORIO" To: Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 11:40:50 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] Re: Ido language friends Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_01BED500.369986A0" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ------=_NextPart_000_01BED500.369986A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" content-transfer-encoding: 8bit content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Saluto, Marcos Me apena no poderte responder como es mi deseo en La Linguo Internaciona. Con tu valiosa ayuda espero progresar mucho en los pr�ximos d�as y as� comunicarnos en IDO.Te cuento que soy de Colombia, vivo en la ciudad de Medell�n y ya he recibido varios e-mails de amigos que como T� desean tener comunicaci�n con gente de varios paises y culturas. Te agradezco infinitamente por tu bienvenida a la lista de correo y espero nuevas comunicaciones de tu parte. Amigo Rigoberto Osorio Hola, Rigoberto. Bienvenido a esta lista de correo, donde gentes de diversas nacionalidades se comunican y disfrutan hablando la Linguo Internaciona. Saluto, Rigoberto. Bonvenez a ca listo di poshto, ube homi di diversa nacionaleci komunikeskas ed enjoyas parolante la Linguo Internaciona. Para empezar, te recomiendo dos sitios webs (entre otros) que te ayudar�n a encontrar los materiales que necesitas. Por komencar, me rekomendas a vu du web-siti (inter altra) qui helpos vun trovar la materiali qui vu bezonas: http://users.aol.com/idolinguo http://yi.com/home/ChandlerJames/ Por cierto, �de d�nde eres? Yo soy de Espa�a. Altriparte, �de ube vu es? Me es de Hispanio. Saludos, Marcos ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Want the power to purchase wisely? Productopia has the answers. http://clickhere.egroups.com/click/553 eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications ---------- ------=_NextPart_000_01BED500.369986A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable content-type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1

Saluto, Marcos

Me apena no poderte responder co= mo es mi deseo en La Linguo Internaciona.
Con tu valiosa ayuda espero pr= ogresar mucho en los pr=F3ximos d=EDas y as=ED comunicarnos
en IDO.Te cu= ento que soy de Colombia, vivo en la ciudad de Medell=EDn y ya he recibido = varios
e-mails de amigos que como T=FA desean tener comunicaci=F3n con g= ente de varios paises y
culturas.
Te agradezco infinitamente por tu b= ienvenida a la lista de correo y espero nuevas comunicaciones
de tu part= e.

Amigo

Rigoberto Osorio

Hola, Rigoberto. Bienvenido a esta lista de correo, donde gentes dediversas nacionalidades se comunican y disfrutan hablando la Linguo
In= ternaciona.

Saluto, Rigoberto. Bonvenez a ca listo di poshto, ube h= omi di diversa
nacionaleci komunikeskas ed enjoyas parolante la Linguo I= nternaciona.

Para empezar, te recomiendo dos sitios webs (entre otro= s) que te
ayudar=E1n a encontrar los materiales que necesitas.

Po= r komencar, me rekomendas a vu du web-siti (inter altra) qui helpos
vun = trovar la materiali qui vu bezonas:

http:= //users.aol.com/idolinguo
http://yi.com/home/ChandlerJames/
=
Por cierto, =BFde d=F3nde eres? Yo soy de Espa=F1a.
Altriparte, =BFd= e ube vu es? Me es de Hispanio.


Saludos,
Marcos

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 ------=_NextPart_000_01BED500.369986A0--- From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 796 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 2825 invoked by uid 7770); 23 Jul 1999 17:29:59 -0000 Received: from qh.egroups.com (HELO qh.findmail.com) (10.1.2.28) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 23 Jul 1999 17:29:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 12324 invoked from network); 23 Jul 1999 17:30:00 -0000 Received: from farida.a2000.nl (HELO smtp1.a2000.nl) (62.108.1.19) by qh.egroups.com with SMTP; 23 Jul 1999 17:30:00 -0000 Received: from node118d7.a2000.nl ([24.132.24.215] helo=HansStuifbergen) by smtp1.a2000.nl with smtp (Exim 2.02 #4) id 117j8w-0004fc-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Fri, 23 Jul 1999 19:29:58 +0200 Message-ID: <001501bed532$25d74aa0$d7188418@HansStuifbergen.a2000.nl> From: "Ido-Info" To: Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 19:38:16 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Subject: [ido] Re: Ido language friends Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0012_01BED542.E9356120" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ------=_NextPart_000_0012_01BED542.E93566120 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Kara amiko, Ube e quale vu trovis informo pri Ido? Forsan vu povas invitar= vua amiki qui deziras komunikar kun altri en la mondo, studiar Ido. Donde= y como has hallado informaci=F3n sobre Ido? Quizas puedes invitar tus amig= os que desean comunicar con otras personas en el mundo, estudiar Ido. Salu= ti amikala, Hans St. *****************************************************= ******** - Ido, linguo internaciona, absolute vizitez: http://members.tripo= d.com/~avancigado - nove: LA HERISONI, rakonteto desegnita, da Rymke, 56 pa= g. Fl. 2,50 / Euri 1,40 / 2 Int. Kuponi di Resp. / "...tre charmiva..." (T= . Carlevaro) (anke videz: http://www.angelfire.com/id/Avance/TiaListo1.html= ) ************************************************************ ------=_NextPart_000_0012_01BED542.E93566120 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable content-type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1"
Kara amiko,
=  
Ube e quale vu trovis informo pri Ido? For= san vu povas invitar vua amiki qui deziras komunikar kun altri en la mondo= , studiar Ido.
 
Donde y como has hallado información sobre Ido? Quizas = puedes invitar tus amigos que desean comunicar con otras personas en el mu= ndo, estudiar Ido.
 
Saluti amikala,
 
Hans St.
***************************= **********************************
- Ido, linguo internaciona, absolute= vizitez:
http://memb= ers.tripod.com/~avancigado
- nove: LA HERISONI, rakonteto desegnita= , da Rymke, 56 pag. Fl. 2,50 / Euri 1,40 / 2 Int. Kuponi di Resp. /  = "...tre charmiva..." (T. Carlevaro) (anke videz: http://www.angelfire.com/id= /Avance/TiaListo1.html)
********************************************= ****************
------=_NextPart_000_0012_01BED542.E93566120-- From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 797 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 3408 invoked by uid 7770); 23 Jul 1999 18:13:16 -0000 Received: from qh.egroups.com (HELO qh.findmail.com) (10.1.2.28) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 23 Jul 1999 18:13:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 21854 invoked from network); 23 Jul 1999 18:13:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO gsvnt03.grupoargos.com) (207.49.83.53) by qh.egroups.com with SMTP; 23 Jul 1999 18:13:13 -0000 Received: from gsvnt01.intranet.grupoargos.com (GSVNT01 [207.49.83.55]) by gsvnt03.grupoargos.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2448.0) id PHSJ0N2Q; Fri, 23 Jul 1999 13:15:46 -0500 Received: by GSVNT01 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id <3RK0GT67>; Fri, 23 Jul 1999 13:18:44 -0500 Message-ID: <50FEF9BD92E3D211A3230001FAD4B790018C06@GSVNT01> From: Rigoberto Osorio To: "'idolisto@egroups.com'" Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 13:18:40 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Subject: [ido] Re: Ido language friends Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hace muchos a=F1os inici=E9 el estudio del Esperanto y me pareci=F3 muy agr= adable pero al escribir encontr=E9 la dificultad de que exist=EDan caracter= es con acentos no soportados por las maquinas de escribir o las impresoras,= esto me desanim=F3 mucho. Luego, buscando en lnternet encontr=E9 que exist= =EDan otras lenguas internacionales como el IDO que no necesitaban caracter= es especiales y cuya estructura me agradaba, es por esto que decid=ED apren= derlo y ense=F1=E1rselo a mi familia. Estoy muy feliz, porque sigo recibien= do mensajes que, estoy seguro, me ayudar=E1n a aprender IDO muy pronto y a = transmitirlo a mis amigos tambi=E9n. Gracias por tu ayuda. Rigoberto O. = > -----Mensaje original----- > De: Ido-Info [SMTP:Ido.Info@zap.A2000.nl] > = Enviado el: Viernes 23 de Julio de 1999 12:38 PM > Para: idolisto@egroups.c= om > Asunto: [ido] Re: Ido language friends > > Kara amiko, > > Ube e qu= ale vu trovis informo pri Ido? Forsan vu povas invitar vua amiki > qui dezi= ras komunikar kun altri en la mondo, studiar Ido. > > Donde y como has ha= llado informaci=F3n sobre Ido? Quizas puedes invitar tus > amigos que desea= n comunicar con otras personas en el mundo, estudiar Ido. > > Saluti amik= ala, > > Hans St. > *****************************************************= ******** > - Ido, linguo internaciona, absolute vizitez: > > - nove: LA HERISONI, rakonteto desegnita, da Rymk= e, 56 pag. Fl. 2,50 / > Euri 1,40 / 2 Int. Kuponi di Resp. / "...tre charm= iva..." (T. Carlevaro) > (anke videz: ) > *********************************************************= *** > _____ > > > click her= e > > Click Here! > = eGroups.com home: > www.egroups.com= - Simplifying group > communications > From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 798 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 26557 invoked by uid 7770); 23 Jul 1999 18:43:28 -0000 Received: from qg.egroups.com (HELO qg.findmail.com) (10.1.2.27) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 23 Jul 1999 18:43:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 14824 invoked from network); 23 Jul 1999 18:43:27 -0000 Received: from mout00.kundenserver.de (195.20.224.69) by qg.egroups.com with SMTP; 23 Jul 1999 18:43:27 -0000 Received: from [195.20.224.68] (helo=mx02.kundenserver.de) by mout00.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 117kI2-0001gp-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Fri, 23 Jul 1999 20:43:26 +0200 Received: from [212.81.175.19] (helo=www) by mx02.kundenserver.de with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 117kHy-0001YO-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Fri, 23 Jul 1999 20:43:22 +0200 Message-ID: <001201bed53b$17277080$13af51d4@fen.baynet.de> From: "Frank Kasper" To: References: <001801bed509$ab98eaa0$d7188418@HansStuifbergen.a2000.nl> Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 20:41:27 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Subject: [ido] Re: Ido-kurso per eGroups Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kara amiko Hans! Me propozus a tu krear "voteyo" che egroups, ube omnu povas donar sua voto pro o kontre tua propozo. Tu devez irar ad "idolisto" e de ibe a "Polls". Ube tu povas krear la voteyo. Se tu facus eroro lore tu quik povos efacar la voteyo e krear ol ankorfoye. Kordiala saluti! Frank Kasper frank.kasper@idolinguo.de From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 799 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 3117 invoked by uid 7770); 23 Jul 1999 19:30:19 -0000 Received: from qg.egroups.com (HELO qg.findmail.com) (10.1.2.27) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 23 Jul 1999 19:30:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 26558 invoked from network); 23 Jul 1999 19:30:20 -0000 Received: from law-f259.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (209.185.130.175) by qg.egroups.com with SMTP; 23 Jul 1999 19:30:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 67381 invoked by uid 0); 23 Jul 1999 19:30:20 -0000 Message-ID: <19990723193020.67380.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 194.82.103.37 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 23 Jul 1999 12:30:19 PDT From: "James Chandler" To: idolisto@egroups.com Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 19:30:19 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] uzo di egroups Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kar amiki Me varme bonvenigas la utiligo di la posibleso di egroups por krear diversa forumi por nia linguo. Kurso-listi es aparte bona ideo. Kordiale, James Chandler idojc@hotmail.com http://yi.com/home/ChandlerJames http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Forum/5037 ______________________________________________________ From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 800 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 31287 invoked by uid 7770); 24 Jul 1999 02:34:05 -0000 Received: from qh.egroups.com (HELO qh.findmail.com) (10.1.2.28) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 24 Jul 1999 02:34:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 23715 invoked from network); 24 Jul 1999 02:34:04 -0000 Received: from gutmans.chek.com (HELO mail1.chek.com) (208.197.227.23) by qh.egroups.com with SMTP; 24 Jul 1999 02:34:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 1794 invoked from network); 24 Jul 1999 02:42:07 -0000 Received: from web2.chek.com (208.197.227.39) by mail1.chek.com with SMTP; 24 Jul 1999 02:42:07 -0000 Received: (from nobody@localhost) by web2.chek.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id WAA19316; Fri, 23 Jul 1999 22:31:02 -0400 Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 22:31:02 -0400 Message-Id: <199907240231.WAA19316@web2.chek.com> From: "Mariano Echeverr�a-Braga" To: idolisto@egroups.com Subject: [ido] Re: Ido language friends Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Encendido Fri, 23 Jul 1999 11:40:50 -0500 ROSORIO >Te cuento que soy de Colombia, vivo en la ciudad de >Medell�n y ya he >recibido varios >e-mails de amigos que como T� desean tener comunicaci�n con gente de varios >paises y >culturas. Estimado Rigoberto: Tambi�n estoy suscrito a la lista de IDO y como t� tambi�n comenc� a aprender Esperanto donde lo dificil para mi fu� los correlativos y la pronunciaci�n de los plurales. Aparte que pocas personas se interesan por estos estudios. Ahora estoy viendo algo de Interlingua. Por correo me carteo con un amigo de Santafe de Bogota, Colombia, esperantista. Aqu� estudio tambi�n un poco de la lengua Maya, originaria de esta regi�n. Hablo Ingl�s, pues trabaje 18 a�os en la industria a�rea, y un poco de franc�s. Me pongo a tus �rdenes para lo que se te ofrezca sobre IDO y mi direcci�n postal es: Mariano Echeverr�a Braga Calle 67 No. 425-B x 32 y 34 Centro 97000 M�rida, Yucat�n MEXICO Con saludos cordiales. Mariano Registrate y obten un correo gratuito, seguro y de por vida en: http://www.OficinadeCorreo.com. Ahora te regalamos computadoras, viajes, cenas y cientos de productos con solo registrarte, invita a tus familiares y amigos a pertenecer a nuestra comunidad. From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 801 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 29362 invoked by uid 7770); 24 Jul 1999 04:31:03 -0000 Received: from qh.egroups.com (HELO qh.findmail.com) (10.1.2.28) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 24 Jul 1999 04:31:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 9909 invoked from network); 24 Jul 1999 04:31:03 -0000 Received: from out2.minitel.net (HELO gmailint2.globalmail.net) (193.252.91.11) by qh.egroups.com with SMTP; 24 Jul 1999 04:31:03 -0000 Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 06:31:01 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199907240431.GAA04895@gmailint2.globalmail.net> From: jeanmartignon@minitel.net (JEAN MARTIGNON) To: idolisto@egroups.com (IDOLISTO) MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] Basta ! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Kara cibernauti, Se Hispane-parolanti volas lernar nia idiomo, bone. Ma li ne bezonas invadar nia grupo per senfina mesaji en lia patuazo (*). Se li volas havar grupo pri Ido e diskutar en lia linguo, li devus krear diskuto-grupo simila a Francidol. La Hispanan me komprenas nur tre male ed hike, ni havas grupo por interkomprenar ne por su apartigar. Ye la venonta foyo a longa mesajo en la Hispana me replikos France. Basta ! Ne-Hispanalingue ciberspacala saluti. JM From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 802 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 27709 invoked by uid 7770); 24 Jul 1999 06:59:00 -0000 Received: from qg.egroups.com (HELO qg.findmail.com) (10.1.2.27) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 24 Jul 1999 06:59:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 15477 invoked from network); 24 Jul 1999 06:59:00 -0000 Received: from spartacus.a2000.nl (HELO smtp2.a2000.nl) (62.108.1.20) by qg.egroups.com with SMTP; 24 Jul 1999 06:59:00 -0000 Received: from node118d7.a2000.nl ([24.132.24.215] helo=HansStuifbergen) by smtp2.a2000.nl with smtp (Exim 2.02 #4) id 117vlr-0001m8-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Sat, 24 Jul 1999 08:58:59 +0200 Message-ID: <000f01bed5a3$297d0fc0$d7188418@HansStuifbergen.a2000.nl> From: "Ido-Info" To: "idolisto" Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 09:07:15 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Subject: [ido] Hispana-parolanti Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Kar amiki, Yes, sro. Martignon es justa. Me komprenas ke omni devas komencar lernar, ma adminime probez tradukar lo skribita. Efektive, 'idolisto' es kreita por babilar en Ido por ke omnu povas lektar e komprenar. Si, senyor Martignon tiene raz�n. Entiendo ke todos debe empezar estudiar, pero almenos trate traducir lo escribido. Efectivamente, 'idolisto' se creado para platicar en Ido con objeto de que todos puede leer y entender. Tamen, me pensas ke kreo di hispana Ido-grupo ne es mala ideo. Lundio me okupos me pri ta tasko, se intertempe nulu altra lo ja facis. No obstante, pienso que crear Ido-grupo espanyola no es idea mala. Lunes me ocupar� sobre esta tarea, si mientras ninguna otra persona ya lo ha hecho. Frank, danko pro vua retal adreso. Nun me quik iros a la laboreyo, til riskribo. Saluti amikala, Hans St. ************************************************************* - Ido, linguo internaciona, absolute vizitez: http://members.tripod.com/~avancigado - nove: LA HERISONI, rakonteto desegnita, da Rymke, 56 pag. Fl. 2,50 / Euri 1,40 / 2 Int. Kuponi di Resp. / "...tre charmiva..." (T. Carlevaro) (anke videz: http://www.angelfire.com/id/Avance/TiaListo1.html) ************************************************************* From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 803 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 23316 invoked by uid 7770); 24 Jul 1999 10:35:31 -0000 Received: from qg.egroups.com (HELO qg.findmail.com) (10.1.2.27) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 24 Jul 1999 10:35:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 1030 invoked from network); 24 Jul 1999 10:35:31 -0000 Received: from law-f245.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (209.185.130.210) by qg.egroups.com with SMTP; 24 Jul 1999 10:35:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 18341 invoked by uid 0); 24 Jul 1999 10:35:31 -0000 Message-ID: <19990724103531.18340.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 159.15.128.3 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sat, 24 Jul 1999 03:35:31 PDT From: "James Chandler" To: idolisto@egroups.com Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 10:35:31 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] hispana: duesma linguo di Idolisto? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kar amiki Me joyas ke la hispana-parolanta samideani hike renkontras l'una l'altra e komunikeskas. Me esperas ke li, pos ica komencal periodo, uzos plu multe Ido en nia forumo, por ke omni povos partoprenar la diskuti; ma intertempe esas tre interesanta vidar nacionala linguo altra kam l'angla uzata hike (e semblante inter homi di diversa landi). Me anke kurajigas sro St. laborar pri hispana forumo por interesati. La nombro di interesati hispana- e franca-parolanta nun justifikeskas tala aparta diskuto-listi. Me joyas pri l'expanso di Ido: ol durez! Kordiale, James Chandler idojc@hotmail.com http://yi.com/home/ChandlerJames http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Forum/5037 ______________________________________________________ From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 804 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 26033 invoked by uid 7770); 24 Jul 1999 10:45:25 -0000 Received: from qh.egroups.com (HELO qh.findmail.com) (10.1.2.28) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 24 Jul 1999 10:45:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 16428 invoked from network); 24 Jul 1999 10:45:26 -0000 Received: from law-f61.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (209.185.131.124) by qh.egroups.com with SMTP; 24 Jul 1999 10:45:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 37494 invoked by uid 0); 24 Jul 1999 10:45:25 -0000 Message-ID: <19990724104525.37493.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 159.15.128.3 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sat, 24 Jul 1999 03:45:25 PDT From: "James Chandler" To: idolisto@egroups.com Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 10:45:25 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] Ido-katalogi enreta Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kar amiki On povas trovar katalogi di idala libri, kaseti ec. en Ido e l'angla che l'ofical situo di la britana Ido-societo (ILSGB). L'adreso es: http://members.aol.com/idolinguo Ibe vi trovos indiki a la katalogo-pagini. Kordiale, James Chandler idojc@hotmail.com http://yi.com/home/ChandlerJames http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Forum/5037 ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 805 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 27953 invoked by uid 7770); 24 Jul 1999 10:52:44 -0000 Received: from qh.egroups.com (HELO qh.findmail.com) (10.1.2.28) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 24 Jul 1999 10:52:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 16976 invoked from network); 24 Jul 1999 10:52:45 -0000 Received: from law-f163.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (209.185.131.226) by qh.egroups.com with SMTP; 24 Jul 1999 10:52:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 7016 invoked by uid 0); 24 Jul 1999 10:52:44 -0000 Message-ID: <19990724105244.7015.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 159.15.128.3 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sat, 24 Jul 1999 03:52:44 PDT From: "James Chandler" To: idolisto@egroups.com Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 10:52:44 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] Fwd: Ido Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sro Wood skribis: >Voluntez notar ke me ne propozas la komplet aboliso dil dezinenci. >Komprenende, on mustas retenar adminime sat multa dezinenci por kompreno ed >eufonio. >Noto de Raporto da Roze (1937), p 91: -o- eliziono de substantivi, >kande >la kuntexto igas omno absolute klara, es propozo e deziro di >plura amiki >... Notez la yaro di ta propozo: tempo kande Occidental esis sentata kom la maxim grava konkurencanto di Ido. La "plura amiki" qui propozis e deziris ta chanjo esis idisti quale Bakonyi qui tendencis ad Occ. Notez anke ke sro W. ne probas respondar direte a mea tri kritiki di lua propozo. Me repetas: sro W. darfas propozar linguo sen distinganta dezinenci, ma ta linguo ne esus Ido e lua idei ne funcionos en Ido. (Fakte sro W. ja inventis adminime un tala linguo-sistemo, Interling.) Kordiale, James Chandler idojc@hotmail.com http://yi.com/home/ChandlerJames http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Forum/5037 ______________________________________________________ From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 806 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 31153 invoked by uid 7770); 24 Jul 1999 15:23:41 -0000 Received: from qg.egroups.com (HELO qg.findmail.com) (10.1.2.27) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 24 Jul 1999 15:23:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 31506 invoked from network); 24 Jul 1999 15:23:41 -0000 Received: from out2.minitel.net (HELO gmailint2.globalmail.net) (193.252.91.11) by qg.egroups.com with SMTP; 24 Jul 1999 15:23:41 -0000 Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 17:23:39 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199907241523.RAA05852@gmailint2.globalmail.net> From: jeanmartignon@minitel.net (JEAN MARTIGNON) To: idolisto@egroups.com (IDOLISTO) MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] Mala astrologiala figurizo Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Kara internauti, Icamonate esas tre danjeroza por la eminenta e rejala familii. En Francia komto de Paris, la pretendanto al trono di Francia mortis recente. Advere il evis nonadek yari. Ma plu dramatatra esis la transmondesko di John Kennedy junior e lua spozino. J. Kennedy esis yuna ed esperoza homo. Nun, cadie onu saveskis ke la rejo di Maroko ridonis sua anmo a Deo. La reji e membri di aristokrata familii povas timar... Proletariale vin salutas jeanmartignon@minitel.net From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 807 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 225 invoked by uid 7770); 24 Jul 1999 18:19:49 -0000 Received: from qh.egroups.com (HELO qh.findmail.com) (10.1.2.28) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 24 Jul 1999 18:19:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 9675 invoked from network); 24 Jul 1999 18:19:48 -0000 Received: from out2.minitel.net (HELO gmailint2.globalmail.net) (193.252.91.11) by qh.egroups.com with SMTP; 24 Jul 1999 18:19:48 -0000 Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 20:19:47 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199907241819.UAA04356@gmailint2.globalmail.net> From: jeanmartignon@minitel.net (JEAN MARTIGNON) To: idolisto@egroups.com (IDOLISTO) MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] Franca linguo Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Kara cibernauti, La morto dil rejo di Maroko memorigas a me ke il parolis ecelante la Franca e mem multe plu bone kam multa Franci. Fakte la altaklasani dil anciena koloniala landi di Francia parolas ofte plu bone la Franca kam la Franci ipsa. Me konjektas ke ito fontas de la fakto, ke li lernas sorgoze la Franca e lua gramatiko e vortaro en la maxim bona skoli. La Franci qui parolas denaske la Franca parolas nur populala linguo e ne suficante instruktesis en la skoli pri la klasika literaturala linguo. Nur la Franci qui prizas la literaturo klasika ed esforcis kompletigar sua savo di la gramatiko povas same bone dominacar lia linguo kam la bone edukita homi di lia anciena kolonii. Tala Franci ne esas nombroza... Ka simila fenomeno existas pri la Angla e Hispana lingui ? Kun kordiala ciberspacala saluti. jeanmartignon@minitel.net From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 808 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 29069 invoked by uid 7770); 24 Jul 1999 23:22:58 -0000 Received: from vasquez.zip.com.au (203.12.97.41) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 24 Jul 1999 23:22:58 -0000 Received: from kalocsay (itchy24.zip.com.au [61.8.12.24]) by vasquez.zip.com.au (8.9.2/8.9.1) with SMTP id JAA03815 for ; Sun, 25 Jul 1999 09:08:50 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <000001bed62a$6125f2c0$180c083d@kalocsay> From: "Adrian Neilson Hall" To: References: <000a01bed521$b87eb020$d7188418@HansStuifbergen.a2000.nl> Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 21:36:16 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Subject: [ido] Re: Tua mesajo Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Amikal saluti a omni Hans skribis: > Me spektis tre agreabla filmo en l= a cinemo: Hideous Kinky, stelesante Kate > Winslet e Said Taghmaoui. Koncer= nis yuna muliero kun du filiini en Maroko, > komence la sepesma yardeko, lo= r la hipii. El travoyajis Maroko ed Aljeria. > Bel imaji di amba landi, bon= e pleita da Kate Winslet, en kontrasto a > Titanik, quan me opinionis tre t= edive. Interesanta termino - ta "stelesante". Me ya savas quon vu vizas en= ta kazo ma me questionas me ka "stelesante" es la maxim bona moyeno di tra= dukar la angla expresuro "starring". Es desfacila trovar apta, racionoza = equivalanto. Tamen, me provez: Kate Winslet evidente ne es stelo. Ma on pov= us dicar ke el es stelatro. Do posible la vorto quan ni serchas es "stelatr= esante". Altra-latere, on povus dicar ke el agas stele (segun fasono stelal= ). Ka la vorto serchata do es stelagar? Me vidas problemo ibe tamen. Ne es = preciza paralelo kun martelagar - ago en qua on uzas martelo. Kate ya ne uz= as stelo. Oportas pensar forsan "exter la cirklo". To quon facas stelatro = holivudal es disradiar karismo, simile al stelo cielal qua disradias lumo. = Forsan la maxim bona tradukuo do la supra frazo es "Hideous Kinky, en qua = disradias (o plu simple - brilas) Kate Winslet. E nun a vi! Adrian From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 809 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 29289 invoked by uid 7770); 25 Jul 1999 01:37:22 -0000 Received: from qh.egroups.com (HELO qh.findmail.com) (10.1.2.28) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 25 Jul 1999 01:37:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 7104 invoked from network); 25 Jul 1999 01:37:22 -0000 Received: from rs3s4.datacenter.cha.cantv.net (200.44.32.53) by qh.egroups.com with SMTP; 25 Jul 1999 01:37:22 -0000 Received: from LALEGReTT (tc1r7-106.ras.cha.cantv.net [200.44.3.106]) by rs3s4.datacenter.cha.cantv.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1/1.0) with SMTP id VAA00608 for ; Sat, 24 Jul 1999 21:37:19 -0400 (VET) Message-ID: <3795490A.727B@cantv.net> Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 00:14:02 -0400 From: Luis Alberto Alegrett Organization: Asesor�a Fiduciaria Integral X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: idolisto@egroups.com References: <005001becee8$f3563400$d7188418@HansStuifbergen.a2000.nl> <379007a1.867998@mail.infomail.es> <01a701bed252$197e2040$3e14083d@kalocsay> <37946162.2844825@mail.infomail.es> Subject: [ido] Re: Nova kodexi Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Forsan nova sufixo quale en la hispana "-ci�n", portugala "-c�o", anglala "-tion", edc., esus plu bona por "ago". La idala e esperantala "-ad-" ne esas tre bona, nam ol esas por "(?)kontinueso en tempo". La hispana ne distingas inter per vorti, "pluvo" (aquo falanta) e "pluvo" (pluvar), ma povas distingar inter "voto" la akto e la kozo, per uzo di "-ci�n", do, "votaci�n". Tamen, onu anke povas uzar nur "voto" por la akto e la kozo. Ma me sempre apogis, mem avan vere lernar Esperanto od Ido (qua me ankore ne lernas, regretinde :( ), sufixo quale "-cion, -zione, -tion, edc." (Mi prizus -asion- od -ation-, plu kam -acion- o -azion-). Me ne savas se me dicas bona kozi, nam me ne esas linguisto. Ma "(?)sentasiono" esas plu bona kam "savasiono". O, kad onu povas uzar la ja (?)existanta -ag- vice nova sufixo quale -asion-? Me ankore ne lernas Ido, me ne savus. Do, ol esus pluvago, votago. Me pensas ke no, e forsan -asion- funcionus. xavo@bbvnet.com wrote: > > Tem Tue, 20 Jul 1999 11:26:16 +1000, "Adrian Neilson Hall" > skribis: > > >>Ma quo pri > >> exemple pluvo? Ka ni povas distingar inter la pluvo (aquo falanta) e > >> la pluvo (akto pluvar)? Ed inter voto (la akto) e voto (la kozo)? O > >> inter parolo (la akto) e parolo (la homala habileso)? > >> Me pensas ke ca es grava questioni por nia linguo se ni volas lun > >> nomar "ciencala". > > > >Nu, me pensis ke dum momento me ya vidabis la difero inter la guti falanta e la ago pluvar. Ma nun me ne esas certa. Nam la guti falanta esas (konstitucas) la ago pluvar. Se esus situeso en qua oportus distingar la guti falanta de la ago pluvar me apogus vua voko por nova sufixo (o reexamino di nia komuna linguo-uzo), ma ton me ne povas vidar. > > Me klarigez ke me _ne_ esas vokanta por ula nova sufixo. Me nur > questionas, nam forsan me es erora ed ulu plu Idale savanta > deserorigos me. > > >Me iros mem plu lontane: ne esas vera difero inter la du. La guti falanta es la ago pluvar. La ago pluvar es nulo plu kam guti falanta de nubi. Ni parolas pri la sama kozo. > > Por me existas klara difero inter pluvo: la aquo ipsa, qua falas, ed > pluvo: la ago konsistanta en falar aquo. La unesma es kozo materiala, > la duesma es ago. Es utila por vidar la diferenco (en ca ed altra > kazi) uzar exempli kun tempa duro: > "La pluvo duris 30 minuti." > Evidente, ci-fraze ni ne referas al aquo falanta, ma al ago. Me > esperas ke nun la distingo klareskis. > > >Ne esas tote simila afero pri la voto: mea voto esas ago - skribar ulo sur peco di papero. Por esar plu preciza oportas mencionar la peco di papero. Ta-egarde, Ido ne diferas de la angla (vote - ballot slip). > > Me definus voto (ago) quale "formale expresar fido ad, o formale > apogar ulo". Ma forsan vu es justa ke on povas dicar "me pozis la > votala bilieto aden la buxo". > > >Pri parolo semblas ke vu vizas la diferon inter la ago parolar - parolo, e la kapablo parolar - paroliveso. > > Me pensas nun pri "opiniono". Ka ol esas ideo personala pri ulo (qua > on expresas o ne, segun onua volo), od ago opinionar (qua esas fakte > expreso di onua "opiniono"), od ambe? > > Saludos, > Marcos > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Want the power to purchase wisely? Productopia has the answers. > http://clickhere.egroups.com/click/553 > > eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto > http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 810 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 29453 invoked by uid 7770); 25 Jul 1999 01:37:43 -0000 Received: from qh.egroups.com (HELO qh.findmail.com) (10.1.2.28) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 25 Jul 1999 01:37:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 7136 invoked from network); 25 Jul 1999 01:37:43 -0000 Received: from rs5s2.datacenter.cha.cantv.net (200.44.32.55) by qh.egroups.com with SMTP; 25 Jul 1999 01:37:43 -0000 Received: from LALEGReTT (tc1r7-106.ras.cha.cantv.net [200.44.3.106]) by rs5s2.datacenter.cha.cantv.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1/1.0) with SMTP id VAA23022 for ; Sat, 24 Jul 1999 21:37:41 -0400 (VET) Message-ID: <379913A1.21CA@cantv.net> Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 21:15:13 -0400 From: Luis Alberto Alegrett Organization: Asesor?a Fiduciaria Integral X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: idolisto@egroups.com Subject: [ido] "Internaciona Biologal Lexiko en Ido" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit De Daniel Alegrett, Caracas, Venezuela. Kar idisti: Me trovis (tamen me ankore ne vidas ol) ke la "Biblioteca Nacional de Venezuela" havas la yena libro: "Internaciona Biologal Lexiko en Ido / Germana, Angla, Franca, Italiana ed Hispana", da M. Boubier. Jena: Gustav Fischer, 1911. 73 pagini. Ka vi konocas ica libro? Ol esos tre interesanta por me, nam me sempre pensas pri me quale "biologiero" :), quankam la libro esus tre antiqua segun la ciencala kalendario, ed ol povus kontenar ridinda koncepti ed idei por la moderna biologiisto, ma to ne esas, quale me ja dicis, importanta por me, nam me esas nur biologiero (nun!) pro diversa acidenti. Me povas salvar me per mea nova studi di Antropologio, quin me komencos en septembro. Me expektas irar balde ad la biblioteko por vidar ol. Amikala saluti, Biologiero Daniel. From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 811 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 8564 invoked by uid 7770); 25 Jul 1999 08:49:39 -0000 Received: from qg.egroups.com (HELO qg.findmail.com) (10.1.2.27) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 25 Jul 1999 08:49:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 8528 invoked from network); 25 Jul 1999 08:49:39 -0000 Received: from out2.minitel.net (HELO gmailint2.globalmail.net) (193.252.91.11) by qg.egroups.com with SMTP; 25 Jul 1999 08:49:39 -0000 Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 10:49:37 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199907250849.KAA23140@gmailint2.globalmail.net> From: jeanmartignon@minitel.net (JEAN MARTIGNON) To: idolisto@egroups.com (IDOLISTO) MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] La Sanskrita Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Kara cibernauti, Ad omni ti qui volas perfekta linguo qua esas apta expresar omna nuanci dil homala penso, me konsilas lernar la Sanskrita. Certe ol ne esas tre facila, ma linguo qua povas expresar absolute omno ne povas esar simpla. La Sanskrita sub lua nunala formo existas de plu kam 2000 yari. Ol esas multe plu difuzita kam Ido, nam ja en India cirkum 5000 personi parolas olu denaske. Existas dissendi che la Indiana televiziono en ica linguo. Me ne dubitas ke existas Internet-loko pri ca idiomo. La perfektisti serchez ! Sanskritala saluti. JM From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 812 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 24798 invoked by uid 7770); 25 Jul 1999 10:03:10 -0000 Received: from qh.egroups.com (HELO qh.findmail.com) (10.1.2.28) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 25 Jul 1999 10:03:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 31800 invoked from network); 25 Jul 1999 10:03:10 -0000 Received: from rs4s1.datacenter.cha.cantv.net (200.44.32.54) by qh.egroups.com with SMTP; 25 Jul 1999 10:03:10 -0000 Received: from LALEGReTT (tc2r10-016.ras.cha.cantv.net [200.44.10.80]) by rs4s1.datacenter.cha.cantv.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1/1.0) with SMTP id GAA19690 for ; Sun, 25 Jul 1999 06:03:06 -0400 (VET) Message-ID: <379A9B1D.5B2A@cantv.net> Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 01:05:33 -0400 From: Luis Alberto Alegrett Organization: Asesor�a Fiduciaria Integral X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: idolisto@egroups.com Subject: [ido] Idala hispana-lingua grupo Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Me ja pensis pri ta afero, tamen vi esis plu rapida! Me nultempe parolis pri to, nam me pensis ke la hispana-parolanti en Ido Listo esis nur grupeto. �Yo ya hab�a pensado en grupo as� en eGroups, pero se me adelantaron! No fui raudo porque pens� que �ramos muy pocos. S�lo sab�a de Jos� Mar�a Garc�a y de Marcos Franco. Me siento algo ofendido porque Mariano Echeverr�a-Braga nunca me dijo nada, a m�, que soy 25% mexicano! (Como venganza :), voy a escribir "M�jico" la pr�xima vez) Me joyas, do. Me alegro, pues. Me (?)lasos ke Hans kreez la hispana grupo, nam il esas Idisto e me ankore ne, e nam mea telefono ne funcionas: mea matro ankore ne pagas ol. Me sendas ica mensajo per altra telefono, e ne havas tempo por esar en la interreto dum multe tempo. Dejar� que Hans cree el grupo, porque �l es Idista y yo todav�a no, y porque mi telef�no no sirve. Mi mam� debe un dineral a la compa��a. Mando este mensaje por medio de otro n�mero, y no tengo mucho tiempo disponible para navegar. Me donis a Jos� Mar�a Garc�a ofro, tamen il nultempe respondis se yes o se no. Unesme, ideo pri (?)enretigar la hispana postala Ido-kurso, quale HTML e quale elektronika-postala kurso kun (?)instruisto. Ti mala esperantisti havas tala kursi, e (?)konkeras tale la menti de la interesati por lia fashista grupo. Mea altra ofro esis mea (?)forti e helpo por krear e konstruktar TTT-pagino por e pri Ido en la hispana ed en Ido, da la hispana-parolanti. Me ja savas facar to. Me kreis venezuelana grupo e venezuelana ttt-loko por la venezuelana esperantisti. Ma li ne esis bona kun me, e me ja ne helpos li. Do, me havas forti por Idisti. Sin obtener respuesta, le ofrec� a Jos� Mar�a Garc�a meter en la red el curso por correspondencia de Ido en espa�ol de la Sociedad Espa�ola, como html (p�gina de internet) y como texto de un curso de Ido por correo electr�nico con tutor, como el de los esperantistas, donde aprend� su lengua fascista. Mi otra oferta fueron mis fuerzas y mi ayuda para crear y construir un website sobre Ido en Ido y en castellano, traduciendo del Ido y del ingl�s al castellano cualquier informaci�n �til para dar a conocer la lengua. Yo ya aprend� a hacer tales cosas. Hab�a creado y manejado una lista aqu� en eGroups para los esperantistas venezolanos, y adem�s, sin ninguna ayuda, les fu� construyendo una p�gina. Pero esos malvados me traicionaron, y ya puedo dedicar esas fuerzas al Ido. Rigoberto, creo que Jos� Mar�a Garc�a ofrece enviar el curso por correo a todo aquel hispano que se lo pida. Si no ve este mensaje, env�a uno m�s pidi�ndo informaci�n, muy a pesar de que al Sr. Martignon pudiera disgustarle (a la porra con �l) :) Tambi�n creo que la Germana Ido Societo ofrece unos ejemplares gratis de revistas en Ido. A m� me las enviaron ya. Preg�ntale a Frank Kasper o a Alfred Neussner, supongo que en ingl�s (y el Sr. Martignon va a seguir molest�ndose) o por medio de Hans, o de Mariano, o de cualquiera que maneje el Ido y el castellano. Amikala saluti, Daniel Alberto Alegrett Caracas, Venezuela From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 813 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 27210 invoked by uid 7770); 25 Jul 1999 10:13:59 -0000 Received: from qh.egroups.com (HELO qh.findmail.com) (10.1.2.28) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 25 Jul 1999 10:13:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 32627 invoked from network); 25 Jul 1999 10:13:59 -0000 Received: from out2.minitel.net (HELO gmailint2.globalmail.net) (193.252.91.11) by qh.egroups.com with SMTP; 25 Jul 1999 10:13:59 -0000 Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 12:13:58 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199907251013.MAA04614@gmailint2.globalmail.net> From: jeanmartignon@minitel.net (JEAN MARTIGNON) To: idolisto@egroups.com (IDOLISTO) MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] Mesajo Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Kara cibernauti, Les hispanophones ont vraiment du culot, ils continuent de coloniser Idolisto. Que s-ro Allegret aille au diable ! Nous pouvons nous passer de tels Idistes qui ne font rien pour notre idiome.. L'espagnol est une belle langue, ils n'ont qu'a en faire la promotion ! Saluti. From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 814 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 14081 invoked by uid 7770); 25 Jul 1999 11:31:34 -0000 Received: from qh.egroups.com (HELO qh.findmail.com) (10.1.2.28) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 25 Jul 1999 11:31:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 6233 invoked from network); 25 Jul 1999 11:31:34 -0000 Received: from spartacus.a2000.nl (HELO smtp2.a2000.nl) (62.108.1.20) by qh.egroups.com with SMTP; 25 Jul 1999 11:31:34 -0000 Received: from node118d7.a2000.nl ([24.132.24.215] helo=HansStuifbergen) by smtp2.a2000.nl with smtp (Exim 2.02 #4) id 118MVB-00060e-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Sun, 25 Jul 1999 13:31:33 +0200 Message-ID: <001b01bed692$68d4d320$d7188418@HansStuifbergen.a2000.nl> From: "Ido-Info" To: "idolisto" Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 13:39:51 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Subject: [ido] exaspereso Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kar amiki, Ne exasperesez tro multe pro la mult-uzata Hispana, prezente. Balde la hispana-parolanti havos propra e-grupo por diskutar e studiar ido. Konsiderez lo kom euforio pro deskovro di samalinguani che l' Idoforumo. Me joyas esar kapabla komparar tam la Hispana kam la Franca (dankez Jean Martignon). Savante Ido, me sentas quale me vere povas komprenar (relative) amba lingui, sen vere savar la tam Franca kam la Hispana. Me questionas me kad homi povus komprenar la Nederlandana, komparate al Angla e Germana e Sueda. La Sueda es stranja fenomeno. Lektante por me ya es kelke posibla komprenar, ma audante es tote altra afero! Me ne savas quale Suedi perceptas la Nederlandana, ka li povas lektante komprenar kelke, same kam ni lia linguo, Christer? En Nederlando la Sueda es konsiderata tre drole sonanta linguo, precipue la tele-novelo por infanti "Emil" grande impresis la populo Nederlandana. Ho, la varmeso lurar me a la gardeno, me devas helpar bon amiko demolisar la stableto krulema. Saluti amikala, Hans Stuifbergen ************************************************************* - Ido, linguo internaciona, absolute vizitez: http://members.tripod.com/~avancigado - nove: LA HERISONI, rakonteto desegnita, da Rymke, 56 pag. Fl. 2,50 / Euri 1,40 / 2 Int. Kuponi di Resp. / "...tre charmiva..." (T. Carlevaro) (anke videz: http://www.angelfire.com/id/Avance/TiaListo1.html) ************************************************************* From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 815 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 14946 invoked by uid 7770); 25 Jul 1999 11:34:58 -0000 Received: from qh.egroups.com (HELO qh.findmail.com) (10.1.2.28) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 25 Jul 1999 11:34:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 6523 invoked from network); 25 Jul 1999 11:34:59 -0000 Received: from out2.minitel.net (HELO gmailint2.globalmail.net) (193.252.91.11) by qh.egroups.com with SMTP; 25 Jul 1999 11:34:59 -0000 Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 13:34:58 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199907251134.NAA14912@gmailint2.globalmail.net> From: jeanmartignon@minitel.net (JEAN MARTIGNON) To: idolisto@egroups.com (IDOLISTO) MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] Patuazi (*) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Kara cibernauti, Che ita forumo, onu interdiktis saje la uzado di altra interlingui. Onu anke devabus interdiktar l'uzado dil patuazi (*) (nacionala lingui). Certe komence ulu povus darfar demandar informi en sua patuazo pri nia linguo. Ma omna altra mesaji en nacionala idiomi devus esar interdiktata. Ito evitus desagreablaji e posibla quereli. Me esperas ke future ica aranjo facesos. Kun kordiala ciberspacala saluti. jeanmartignon@minitel.net From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 816 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 20801 invoked by uid 7770); 25 Jul 1999 13:22:13 -0000 Received: from qg.egroups.com (HELO qg.findmail.com) (10.1.2.27) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 25 Jul 1999 13:22:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 30133 invoked from network); 25 Jul 1999 13:22:13 -0000 Received: from spielberg.vip.uk.com (194.176.218.9) by qg.egroups.com with SMTP; 25 Jul 1999 13:22:13 -0000 Received: from vip-206-1.vip.uk.com ([194.176.206.1] helo=default) by spielberg.vip.uk.com with smtp (Exim 3.02 #1) id 118OFm-0000Xy-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Sun, 25 Jul 1999 14:23:47 +0100 Message-ID: <001401bed69f$3f316b20$01ceb0c2@default> From: "wood" To: Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 14:10:27 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Subject: [ido] Ido Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0011_01BED6A7.72259260" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01BED6A7.722599260 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Kar amiki *********************** Bebson Y. Takata *********************** = Multa danki ya pro Chuang Chou. *********************** Adrian Neilson Hal= l *********************** Exempli di ne-korekta Ido del pagini di Progreso:= " .. abono ... pagenda a Landal Reprezento .../ .. me sendas deskripto ..= ./ On povas obtenar informi .../ Sendez a me indiko .../Ica libro ... konte= nas du introdukti .../Voluntez sendar ... propozi/ ... la maxim alta parti = dil Atlas esis kovrata per nivo .../ ... stewardi qui adportis la dejuno ..= .. Bona praktiko ma ne bona Ido. (La vorti abono, deskripto, informi, indi= ko, introdukti, propozi, nivo, dejuno es derivita direte de verbi.) Amik= ala saluti Tom Wood ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01BED6A7.722599260 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable content-type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1"
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Exempli di ne-korekta Ido del pagini di Progreso= :
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Bona praktiko ma ne bona Ido.
(La= vorti  abono, deskripto, informi, indiko, introdukti, propozi, nivo,= dejuno   es derivita direte de verbi.)
Amikala saluti
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------=_NextPart_000_0011_01BED6A7.722599260-- From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 817 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 7254 invoked by uid 7770); 25 Jul 1999 17:12:44 -0000 Received: from qg.egroups.com (HELO qg.findmail.com) (10.1.2.27) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 25 Jul 1999 17:12:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 30171 invoked from network); 25 Jul 1999 17:12:44 -0000 Received: from law-f181.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (209.185.131.244) by qg.egroups.com with SMTP; 25 Jul 1999 17:12:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 7888 invoked by uid 0); 25 Jul 1999 17:12:44 -0000 Message-ID: <19990725171244.7887.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 194.83.240.16 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sun, 25 Jul 1999 10:12:44 PDT From: "James Chandler" To: idolisto@egroups.com Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 17:12:44 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] Fwd: Patuazi (*) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sro Martignon skribis: >Che ita forumo, onu interdiktis saje >la uzado di altra interlingui. Onu >anke devabus interdiktar l'uzado dil >patuazi (*) (nacionala lingui). Certe >komence ulu povus darfar demandar >informi en sua patuazo pri nia linguo. >Ma omna altra mesaji en nacionala >idiomi devus esar interdiktata. Ito >evitus desagreablaji e posibla >quereli. Me esperas ke future ica >aranjo facesos. Me ne es certa pri la tono di la lasta mesajo de la sam autoro (skribita en la franca), ma hike il facas interesanta propozo. Me konkordas ke generale ni devas kurajigar uzo di Ido che Idolisto ube posibla. Tamen regulo quale "on darfas sendar un mesajo en nacionala linguo ma pos to nacionala linguo es interdiktata" esus deskurajiganta a nova interesati e tre desfacila administrar praktike. Lo maxim bona, segun me, es permisar nacionala lingui, ma kurajigar uzo di Ido per mesaji (prefere polita) che la listo. Kordiale, James Chandler idojc@hotmail.com http://yi.com/home/ChandlerJames http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Forum/5037 ______________________________________________________ From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 818 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 12276 invoked by uid 7770); 25 Jul 1999 18:11:26 -0000 Received: from qg.egroups.com (HELO qg.findmail.com) (10.1.2.27) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 25 Jul 1999 18:11:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 6933 invoked from network); 25 Jul 1999 18:11:26 -0000 Received: from out2.minitel.net (HELO gmailint2.globalmail.net) (193.252.91.11) by qg.egroups.com with SMTP; 25 Jul 1999 18:11:26 -0000 Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 20:11:25 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199907251811.UAA11512@gmailint2.globalmail.net> From: jeanmartignon@minitel.net (JEAN MARTIGNON) To: idolisto@egroups.com (IDOLISTO) MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] Patuazi (*) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Kara cibernauti, Me atencigas pri la fakto ke la uzado de nacionala lingui en ica grupo ne esas polita. Pluse se me ne esis polita (en la Franca), ito fontas de la fakto ke s-ro Allegret ne esis polita a me (en la Hispana), me komprenis malgre mea mala savo dil Hispana patuazo (*) ke il esis tre grosiera kontre me. Do, ankorefoye esus plu saja ne permisar la uzado di nacionala lingui same kam altra interlingui. Tala konduto vice destruktar la prejudiki kontre altra populi (ito esas un ek la skopi di interlinguo), povas havar la mala efiko, to esas produktar des-simpatio kontre la Hispane-parolanti. Ito esas evitenda per la nura uzado di komuna linguo. Se onu aceptas patuazi (*) lore me ne intelektas pro quo onu ne aceptas la altra interlingui qui adminime esas komprenebla senpene da ni. Ne esas sencoza aceptar hike la uzado de idiomi qui ne esas komprenebla (o nur desfacile) dal altra listani. Nun existas Francidol, ma ka la altra listani aceptabus bone vasta uzado di la Franca hike ? Me konjektas ke la Hispane-parolanti qui esas tre fiera ne esabus kontenta, e li esabus justa. Do, anke li devas komprenar ke to quon li ne aceptus (yuste) dal altri, anke ne povas aceptesar da li. Kun Idala ciberspacala saluti. JM From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 819 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 6791 invoked by uid 7770); 25 Jul 1999 19:59:44 -0000 Received: from qh.egroups.com (HELO qh.findmail.com) (10.1.2.28) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 25 Jul 1999 19:59:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 11797 invoked from network); 25 Jul 1999 19:59:44 -0000 Received: from farida.a2000.nl (HELO smtp1.a2000.nl) (62.108.1.19) by qh.egroups.com with SMTP; 25 Jul 1999 19:59:44 -0000 Received: from node118d7.a2000.nl ([24.132.24.215] helo=HansStuifbergen) by smtp1.a2000.nl with smtp (Exim 2.02 #4) id 118UQx-0003Bv-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Sun, 25 Jul 1999 21:59:43 +0200 Message-ID: <000b01bed6d9$6760d880$d7188418@HansStuifbergen.a2000.nl> From: "Ido-Info" To: "idolisto" Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 22:08:03 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Subject: [ido] ofenseso, stelesar Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kar amiki, Lasez ne ofensar ed ofensesar. L' Ido-movemento ja es tro mikra, ka vere es necesa ofensar, ma anke ofensesar? Ne aceptez omno kom serioza, tenez kelke la su-respekto ed esez kelke plu aceptema koncernante mala (forsan ya drole od amuzante intencita) vorti. Montrez qua es plu saja. Quale ja skribite, depos morge existos e-grupo Ido-por-Hispanaparolanti ube on povas diskutar, parolar, babilar, se dezirate mem disputar, edc., en la Hispana. Nur se koncernas la linguo Ido. Ed 'idolisto' es rezervita por parolado, diskutado, babilado e se on-vere-bezonas-ma-prefere-ne-dezirate disputar en la linguo Ido ipsa. Ka bone? Cetere, l' unika 'Querelle' quan me konocas es Querelle de Brest, libro da Jean Genet, tre grandioze filmagita da Rainer Werner Fassbinder. Kar amiko Adrian, Yes, vu es absolute justa, koncernante mea 'stelesar'. Me probis tradukar direte l' Angla "starring". Me kredas ke, quale vu ja skribis, 'brilar' es maxim apta. Tamen, en 10.000 Radiki da M. Persiko, on trovas lo sequanta: "stelo - (IV)(teatro, cinemo) Artisto qua brilas, unika o preske unika, en trupo de aktori". Me kredis justifikar mea 'stelesar' pro ta lineo. Me konfesas a vu ke en la Nederlandana on anke uzas 'stelo' metafore por aktori, kantisti, edc., ma ne kom verbo. Lore on uzas 'brilar'. Me pensas ke ya en preske omna linguo es la sama kam en la Nederlandana, ma me povas erorar. Saluti en paco, Hans St. ************************************************************* - Ido, linguo internaciona, absolute vizitez: http://members.tripod.com/~avancigado - nove: LA HERISONI, rakonteto desegnita, da Rymke, 56 pag. Fl. 2,50 / Euri 1,40 / 2 Int. Kuponi di Resp. / "...tre charmiva..." (T. Carlevaro) (anke videz: http://www.angelfire.com/id/Avance/TiaListo1.html) ************************************************************* From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 820 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 19551 invoked by uid 7770); 25 Jul 1999 20:21:40 -0000 Received: from qg.egroups.com (HELO qg.findmail.com) (10.1.2.27) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 25 Jul 1999 20:21:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 27064 invoked from network); 25 Jul 1999 20:21:40 -0000 Received: from mailout05.btx.dtag.de (194.25.2.153) by qg.egroups.com with SMTP; 25 Jul 1999 20:21:40 -0000 Received: from fwd14.btx.dtag.de ([194.25.2.174]) by mailout05.btx.dtag.de with smtp id 118UmA-0004QQ-00; Sun, 25 Jul 1999 22:21:38 +0200 Received: from oemcomputer (0304276232-0002(btxid)@[193.159.107.34]) by fwd14.btx.dtag.de with smtp id ; Sun, 25 Jul 1999 22:21:25 +0200 Message-ID: <000601bed6db$ace7b200$226b9fc1@oemcomputer> To: Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 22:15:15 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Sender: 0304276232-0002@t-online.de From: eb.scholz@t-online.de (Scholz) Subject: [ido] Re: Me vivas ! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kara amiko Hans , pos lekturo di multa centi de e-sendaji ed letri me komencas kontributar kelke en la idista diskuturi - plu bone - en nia Ido-rondeto. Me ne esas linguala experto , tu ya savas pri to. Kom simpla laboristo me esas simpla uzanto di maxim bona interlinguo. Ni ne vidos ni en Eschwege,me lektis pri tua ne-partopreno ibea. Ka ni irgatempe vidos eventuale tu en Berlin, ton anke questionas mea filiulo Sebastian. Me pregas pardonar mea longa silencado ! Me salutas kordialege tu ! Eberhard en estgermana urbeto Anklam , From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 821 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 5314 invoked by uid 7770); 25 Jul 1999 20:55:04 -0000 Received: from qg.egroups.com (HELO qg.findmail.com) (10.1.2.27) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 25 Jul 1999 20:55:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 32151 invoked from network); 25 Jul 1999 20:55:05 -0000 Received: from farida.a2000.nl (HELO smtp1.a2000.nl) (62.108.1.19) by qg.egroups.com with SMTP; 25 Jul 1999 20:55:05 -0000 Received: from node118d7.a2000.nl ([24.132.24.215] helo=HansStuifbergen) by smtp1.a2000.nl with smtp (Exim 2.02 #4) id 118VIW-0001Rd-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Sun, 25 Jul 1999 22:55:04 +0200 Message-ID: <001301bed6e1$22c257a0$d7188418@HansStuifbergen.a2000.nl> From: "Ido-Info" To: "idolisto" Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 23:03:24 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Subject: [ido] Eberhard! Saluto! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kar amiko Eberhard, Fine vivosigno de vu! Ecelante! Me joyas ke vu povas uzar la komputoro ed e-posto nun. Anke me tre regretas l' anulo di la renkontro en Neviges, ma certe, uladie me venos ad Eschwege e Berlin. Forsan ankore ca yaro! Ka Frank nun es che vu? Il skribis a me ke il vu vizitos por instruktar a vu la e-postala programo. Se Frank es che vu, dicez a lu ne drinkar tro multa biro, ha!, me savas ke il to tre prizas. Ma fakte, pro quo ne, la biri Germana es tre bona biri, quale me ipsa konstatis dum la konfero en Germania. Me audis de Alfred Neussner ke vu mem savis interesigar jurnalisto de Neues Deutschland pri la renkontro en Neviges. Forsan il (od el?) ankore es interesata pri linguala problemi e la solvuro per Ido? En Ido-Vivo me lektis ke la Britani savis aparar ye la televiziono ibe, frue en la matino. Tre bon afero, ni bezonas omna atenco posibla. Do, vu vidas, l' elektronika moyeni prezente luras plusa interesati ad Ido. Yen, bon okaziono renkontrar Ido-amiki de omna parti di la mondo. Kordiale salutez vua familiani e Sebastian. Saluti amikala, Hans St. ************************************************************* - Ido, linguo internaciona, absolute vizitez: http://members.tripod.com/~avancigado - nove: LA HERISONI, rakonteto desegnita, da Rymke, 56 pag. Fl. 2,50 / Euri 1,40 / 2 Int. Kuponi di Resp. / "...tre charmiva..." (T. Carlevaro) (anke videz: http://www.angelfire.com/id/Avance/TiaListo1.html) ************************************************************* From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 822 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 30098 invoked by uid 7770); 25 Jul 1999 23:29:51 -0000 Received: from qg.egroups.com (HELO qg.findmail.com) (10.1.2.27) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 25 Jul 1999 23:29:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 23291 invoked from network); 25 Jul 1999 23:29:52 -0000 Received: from spartacus.a2000.nl (HELO smtp2.a2000.nl) (62.108.1.20) by qg.egroups.com with SMTP; 25 Jul 1999 23:29:52 -0000 Received: from node118d7.a2000.nl ([24.132.24.215] helo=HansStuifbergen) by smtp2.a2000.nl with smtp (Exim 2.02 #4) id 118XiJ-0000rO-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Mon, 26 Jul 1999 01:29:51 +0200 Message-ID: <000501bed6f6$c313b4a0$d7188418@HansStuifbergen.a2000.nl> From: "Ido-Info" To: "idolisto" Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 01:38:13 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Subject: [ido] Ido por Hispana-parolanti Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit O.k., ol kreesis. E-grupo por Hispana-parolanti. On povas membreskar la grupo "Ido para hispano-hablantes" per l' adreso: idoespanyol-subscribe@egroups.com Voluntez korektigar mea probable mult-erorizita Hispana. Saluti amikala, Hans St. ************************************************************* - Ido, linguo internaciona, absolute vizitez: http://members.tripod.com/~avancigado - nove: LA HERISONI, rakonteto desegnita, da Rymke, 56 pag. Fl. 2,50 / Euri 1,40 / 2 Int. Kuponi di Resp. / "...tre charmiva..." (T. Carlevaro) (anke videz: http://www.angelfire.com/id/Avance/TiaListo1.html) ************************************************************* From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 823 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 19522 invoked by uid 7770); 26 Jul 1999 01:04:19 -0000 Received: from qh.egroups.com (HELO qh.findmail.com) (10.1.2.28) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 26 Jul 1999 01:04:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 28453 invoked from network); 26 Jul 1999 01:04:19 -0000 Received: from vasquez.zip.com.au (203.12.97.41) by qh.egroups.com with SMTP; 26 Jul 1999 01:04:19 -0000 Received: from kalocsay (krusty41.zip.com.au [61.8.16.73]) by vasquez.zip.com.au (8.9.2/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA21255 for ; Mon, 26 Jul 1999 10:56:36 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <012901bed702$977fe3c0$4910083d@kalocsay> From: "Adrian Neilson Hall" To: References: <379A9B1D.5B2A@cantv.net> Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 11:02:51 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Subject: [ido] Re: Idala hispana-lingua grupo Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Kordial saluti a omni Luis Alberto Alegrett skribis: >Me donis a Jos=E9 = Mar=EDa Garc=EDa ofro, tamen il nultempe respondis se yes o > se no. Unesme= , ideo pri (?)enretigar la hispana postala Ido-kurso, quale > HTML e quale = elektronika-postala kurso kun (?)instruisto. Ti mala > esperantisti havas t= ala kursi, e (?)konkeras tale la menti de la > interesati por lia fashista = grupo. Fashista? Pro quo vu dicas to? Adrian From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 824 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 3911 invoked by uid 7770); 26 Jul 1999 01:27:14 -0000 Received: from qh.egroups.com (HELO qh.findmail.com) (10.1.2.28) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 26 Jul 1999 01:27:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 489 invoked from network); 26 Jul 1999 01:27:14 -0000 Received: from vasquez.zip.com.au (203.12.97.41) by qh.egroups.com with SMTP; 26 Jul 1999 01:27:14 -0000 Received: from kalocsay (krusty41.zip.com.au [61.8.16.73]) by vasquez.zip.com.au (8.9.2/8.9.1) with SMTP id LAA22925 for ; Mon, 26 Jul 1999 11:19:29 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <013601bed705$c9f2e660$4910083d@kalocsay> From: "Adrian Neilson Hall" To: References: <001401bed69f$3f316b20$01ceb0c2@default> Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 11:25:45 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Subject: [ido] Re: Ido Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Kar amiki Tom wood skribis: >Exempli di ne-korekta Ido del pagini di Prog= reso: >" .. abono ... pagenda a Landal Reprezento .../ .. me sendas deskri= pto .../ On >povas obtenar informi .../ Sendez a me indiko .../Ica libro ..= . kontenas du >introdukti .../Voluntez sendar ... propozi/ ... la maxim alt= a parti dil Atlas esis >kovrata per nivo .../ ... stewardi qui adportis la = dejuno .... >Bona praktiko ma ne bona Ido. >(La vorti abono, deskripto, in= formi, indiko, introdukti, propozi, nivo, dejuno es >derivita direte de v= erbi. Yen tre interesanta temo. Segun mea opiniono, ta vorti es apta e suf= icante (se ne plene) racionoza. Prenante "deskripto" quale exemplo, me dicu= s ke deskriptajo es forsan plu racionoza ma nulon grava adjuntas. Ka vu pr= eferas deskripturo pro to ke la frazi qua konstitucas la deskripto es segun= certena vidpunto, rezulto dil deskriptal ago? Es altra posibli? Kordiale = Adrian From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 825 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 14898 invoked by uid 7770); 26 Jul 1999 01:43:14 -0000 Received: from qh.egroups.com (HELO qh.findmail.com) (10.1.2.28) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 26 Jul 1999 01:43:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 3320 invoked from network); 26 Jul 1999 01:43:14 -0000 Received: from ncc2.infomail.es (HELO infomail.es) (194.224.53.135) by qh.egroups.com with SMTP; 26 Jul 1999 01:43:14 -0000 Received: from 104044.rad.bbv.es ([195.53.104.44]) by infomail.es (Tid InfoMail Exchanger v2.20) with SMTP id #932952967.208340001; Mon, 26 Jul 1999 03:36:07 +0200 From: xavo@bbvnet.com To: idolisto@egroups.com Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 01:44:16 GMT Message-ID: <379b93ad.7498296@mail.infomail.es> References: <005001becee8$f3563400$d7188418@HansStuifbergen.a2000.nl> <379007a1.867998@mail.infomail.es> <01a701bed252$197e2040$3e14083d@kalocsay> <37946162.2844825@mail.infomail.es> <3795490A.727B@cantv.net> In-Reply-To: <3795490A.727B@cantv.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.01/32.397 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Infomail-Id: 932952967.5162010A811067.13488 Subject: [ido] Re: Nova kodexi Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Tem Wed, 21 Jul 1999 00:14:02 -0400, Luis Alberto Alegrett skribis: >Forsan nova sufixo quale en la hispana "-ci=F3n", portugal= a "-c=E3o", >anglala "-tion", edc., esus plu bona por "ago". Ta sufixo es= yam uzata en Ido, ma nur kom parto de radiki (opiniono, konversaciono...).= Me pensas ke havar ol quale aparta afixo ne es rekomendebla en Ido nam ol = facigus multa stranga vorti (nur kelka koincidus forme kun la naturlinguala= equivalenti), ed aparte, simpla -o es foye preferinda. La idala e esperan= tala >"-ad-" ne esas tre bona, nam ol esas por "(?)kontinueso en tempo". >L= a hispana ne distingas inter per vorti, "pluvo" (aquo falanta) e >"pluvo" (= pluvar), ma povas distingar inter "voto" la akto e la kozo, per >uzo di "-c= i=F3n", do, "votaci=F3n". Tamen, onu anke povas uzar nur "voto" >por la akt= o e la kozo. Me pensas ke verbi en nomi di qui ube ni trovos dualeca senco= esas minoritato, ma en oli la Idala teorio pri rekt-derivo ne korespondas = exakte kun la praktiko di la uzanti. Un exemplo plu: "mensogo" signifikas s= egun la teorio di Ido "akto mensogar". Ma normale, kande ni uzas "mensogo" = ni ne pensas pri "akto" ma pri "kozo" (aprox."falsa kozo qua on dicas"). Es= as pro to ke ni parolas pri "dicar mensogi" e ne "facar mensogi". Konklude= , me ne proponas ula chanjo a la uzo di Ido, ma me konsilus reformar la teo= rio por ke ol reflektez la vera uzo ke ni Idisti facas de la linguo. Ma, ce= rte, ta chanjo en la teorio signifikus la renonco a la famoza principo de r= einversigebleso. Saludos, Marcos From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 826 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 14920 invoked by uid 7770); 26 Jul 1999 01:43:15 -0000 Received: from qh.egroups.com (HELO qh.findmail.com) (10.1.2.28) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 26 Jul 1999 01:43:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 3326 invoked from network); 26 Jul 1999 01:43:15 -0000 Received: from ncc2.infomail.es (HELO infomail.es) (194.224.53.135) by qh.egroups.com with SMTP; 26 Jul 1999 01:43:15 -0000 Received: from 104044.rad.bbv.es ([195.53.104.44]) by infomail.es (Tid InfoMail Exchanger v2.20) with SMTP id #932952969.208340002; Mon, 26 Jul 1999 03:36:09 +0200 From: xavo@bbvnet.com To: idolisto@egroups.com Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 01:44:23 GMT Message-ID: <379c9b08.9381157@mail.infomail.es> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.01/32.397 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Infomail-Id: 932952969.5162020A811067.13490 Subject: [ido] Re: Ido language friends Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Tem Fri, 23 Jul 1999 11:40:50 -0500, "ROSORIO" skr= ibis: >Saluto, Marcos > >Me apena no poderte responder como es mi deseo en= La Linguo Internaciona. Ne sorgez (te preocupes). Me esperas tamen (sin e= mbargo) ke vu povez komprenar quo ni skribas a vu en Ido. >Con tu valiosa = ayuda espero progresar mucho en los pr=F3ximos d=EDas y as=ED >comunicarnos= >en IDO.Te cuento que soy de Colombia, vivo en la ciudad de Medell=EDn y y= a he >recibido varios >e-mails de amigos que como T=FA desean tener comunic= aci=F3n con gente de varios >paises y >culturas. Es surpriziga quanto di K= olombiani (ed anke altra frati latinoamerikana) me trovas lastatempe intere= sita pri Esperanto od Ido. Quale vu konoceskis (conociste) Ido? Ka vu ne ko= noceskis Esperanto unesme (primero)? >Te agradezco infinitamente por tu bi= envenida a la lista de correo y espero >nuevas comunicaciones >de tu parte.= Nedankinde. Ni restos (permanceremos) en kontakto tra ca listo. Saludo= s, Marcos From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 827 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 26640 invoked by uid 7770); 26 Jul 1999 04:25:45 -0000 Received: from qh.egroups.com (HELO qh.findmail.com) (10.1.2.28) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 26 Jul 1999 04:25:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 2569 invoked from network); 26 Jul 1999 04:25:44 -0000 Received: from mga2.primo.co.jp (210.145.40.130) by qh.egroups.com with SMTP; 26 Jul 1999 04:25:44 -0000 Received: from mga2.primo.co.jp (unverified [210.145.40.140]) by mga2.primo.co.jp (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Mon, 26 Jul 1999 13:28:33 +0900 Message-ID: <002e01bed71d$f303f9a0$822891d2@primo.co.jp> From: "Bebson Y. TAKATA" To: "IDOLISTO" References: Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 13:17:02 +0900 Organization: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Subject: [ido] Mea Unesma Exemplo Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-2022-jp" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kara Sri Cibernauti:#2 Linguo ============================================================================== ]Tamen por plebeyi, ordinara populi, qui antee ne lernis irga altra linguo, ] "me vere kredas", la stranjera linguo od Ido esas tre desfacile lernebla. ]En Idolisto, preske omna bona Idisti lernis e konocas Esperanto, quo helpis ] ke li povez kaptar e manjar Ido sen multa laboro sudorifanta, ka ne? ]Yes, me esperas ke ni konstruktez bona lernolibri kun detaloza praktiki por ] komencanti di Ido por ke li facile povez lernar Ido per un de la libri. Yen me sendas l'unesma exemplo, sur qua onu pose povos emendar e plubonigar. Ti qui interesesas, pliz* sendez a me sua emendendaji e pluboniguri. Ti qui ne interesesas, pliz* prenez sua peno efacar jenoza letri kun IFA. Me uzis la libro da Sro Niklas ApGawain kom la bazon e regretinde me ne konocas lu e konseque ne povis recevar permiso da lu, do irgu afable helpez me. Me pavoras de ke la texti, quin me skribis en Ido ed Angle, es plena de eroregi gramaikala e logikala. Tamen voluntez pardonar me, nam me midormadis, kande me taipadis* e skribadis, pro mea diligenta laboro dum tagi kom laboristo. ============================================================================== Kara Sro Zeno EXE:#2 Ka vu povus helpar me en konstruktado di lernolibro? ============================================================================== Ja me facis l'unesma revizuro de lernolibro por komencanti qui parolas Angle. Se vu ne interesesas, prenez granda peno, pliz*, efacar jenoza letri kun IFA. Me uzis la libro da Sro ApGawain kom la bazon ma me emendis numeroza eroreti facita da ilu, nam homo esas homo ne irga Deo qua facas sempre sen erori. Ka vu hazarde dezirus adjuntar vu a ecitanta fabrikado di lernolibro por Ido? Me esperas ke vu povus facar USAana versiono di ica lernolibro, se posibla. O forsan hem-pagino por Angle-parolanta lernanti, kad USAana ka Britaniana. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Adio! .....sincere via, B.Y.T. .....Idisto ed Idiotisto pro mea limitizita edukado ed anke Ido-Kavaliero kun abundanta hucpo* e numeroza erori ============================================================================== Pliz* indikez mea erori pri vorti, gramatiko, dicmaniero ec., nam me esas nura ne-edukito e devas lernar dum ke me vivas. Me sempre esperas, samideani, via amikeso por EXTRA prenar peno de via parto por instruktar me, qua durstas ye savo ulaspecala. Tamen en rara kazo kande me savas plu bone kam vi, me volunte transdonos mea humila savo a vi segun via bezoni. ============================================================================== From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 849 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 2916 invoked by uid 7770); 26 Jul 1999 08:22:00 -0000 Received: from qh.egroups.com (HELO qh.findmail.com) (10.1.2.28) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 26 Jul 1999 08:22:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 9541 invoked from network); 26 Jul 1999 08:22:01 -0000 Received: from farida.a2000.nl (HELO smtp1.a2000.nl) (62.108.1.19) by qh.egroups.com with SMTP; 26 Jul 1999 08:22:01 -0000 Received: from node118d7.a2000.nl ([24.132.24.215] helo=HansStuifbergen) by smtp1.a2000.nl with smtp (Exim 2.02 #4) id 118g1I-0003GK-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Mon, 26 Jul 1999 10:22:00 +0200 Message-ID: <004301bed741$194d6060$d7188418@HansStuifbergen.a2000.nl> From: "Ido-Info" To: "idolisto" Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 10:30:19 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Subject: [ido] holala! E nun, bona dormo Tomodachi no Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kar amiki, kara Tomodachi no Bebson Y.Takata, To es granda laboro, quan vu livris la nokto pasinta. Se vua okuli es klozema, lo es meritita, vu repozez, ni juez vua grandioza riskriburo, kombinuro de kelka Ido-verki por plu kompleta e komprenebla expliko. Ol certe esos enretigata en bele kompozita pagini, pos, komprenende, esir korektigita. Do, erste me transportas la texti aden mea Word-programo. Es plu facile lektebla. E vu, quon vu facos kande vu vekas? Probable laborar, ka ne? Ma pose, nam me povas imaginar ke pos riskribir ta verko, vu experiencos truo di tedeso, nulo facenda, ka ne? Yen konsilo: pro quo ne tradukar la gramatiko Idala aden la Japoniana, por ke anke la plebeyo Japoniana povez lernar Ido, quon vu pensas? Saluti amikala, Hans St. ************************************************************* - Ido, linguo internaciona, absolute vizitez: http://members.tripod.com/~avancigado - nove: LA HERISONI, rakonteto desegnita, da Rymke, 56 pag. Fl. 2,50 / Euri 1,40 / 2 Int. Kuponi di Resp. / "...tre charmiva..." (T. Carlevaro) (anke videz: http://www.angelfire.com/id/Avance/TiaListo1.html) ************************************************************* From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 850 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 17745 invoked by uid 7770); 26 Jul 1999 14:44:57 -0000 Received: from qh.egroups.com (HELO qh.findmail.com) (10.1.2.28) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 26 Jul 1999 14:44:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 15270 invoked from network); 26 Jul 1999 14:44:56 -0000 Received: from spartacus.a2000.nl (HELO smtp2.a2000.nl) (62.108.1.20) by qh.egroups.com with SMTP; 26 Jul 1999 14:44:56 -0000 Received: from node118d7.a2000.nl ([24.132.24.215] helo=HansStuifbergen) by smtp2.a2000.nl with smtp (Exim 2.02 #4) id 118lzr-0007Ii-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Mon, 26 Jul 1999 16:44:55 +0200 Message-ID: <001001bed776$98d8a440$d7188418@HansStuifbergen.a2000.nl> From: "Ido-Info" To: "idolisto" Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 16:53:17 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Subject: [ido] desadministrereskis Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kar amiki, kara Frank e James, Me timas ke eroro eventis. Me kom un del administreri di Idolisto ne plu administrar nia e-grupo. Me probis acesar nia chefa pagino, ma semblante me nun es desadministrereskinta. Ka to anke eventis a vi? Hiere, me kreis grupo por la Hispana-parolanti "Ido para hispano-hablantes" (membreskez che: idoespanyol-subcribe@egroups.com) e me timas ke esar anke administrero di ta grupo esis tro granda konfuzeso por eGroups. Do, nun quon agar? Saluti amikala, Hans St. ************************************************************* - Ido, linguo internaciona, absolute vizitez: http://members.tripod.com/~avancigado - nove: LA HERISONI, rakonteto desegnita, da Rymke, 56 pag. Fl. 2,50 / Euri 1,40 / 2 Int. Kuponi di Resp. / "...tre charmiva..." (T. Carlevaro) (anke videz: http://www.angelfire.com/id/Avance/TiaListo1.html) ************************************************************* From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 851 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 20771 invoked by uid 7770); 26 Jul 1999 14:48:22 -0000 Received: from qg.egroups.com (HELO qg.findmail.com) (10.1.2.27) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 26 Jul 1999 14:48:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 25551 invoked from network); 26 Jul 1999 14:48:21 -0000 Received: from besson.vip.uk.com (194.176.202.250) by qg.egroups.com with SMTP; 26 Jul 1999 14:48:21 -0000 Received: from vip-206-94.vip.uk.com ([194.176.206.94] helo=default) by besson.vip.uk.com with smtp (Exim 3.02 #2) id 118m34-0004rv-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Mon, 26 Jul 1999 15:48:15 +0100 Message-ID: <000001bed774$6e3e2fe0$5eceb0c2@default> From: "wood" To: Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 15:35:00 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Subject: [ido] Ido Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000C_01BED77C.6C0F2140" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01BED77C.6C0F22140 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Kar amiki ******************** James Chandler ******************** Me esayo= s respondar a vua tri kritiki. 1) dezinenci: Me povas nur repetar ke me ne = volas abolisar la dezinenci. Me nur volas havar plusa libereso. 2) eufonio:= Me opinionas ke ico es afero di gusto. Me ne pensas ke on povas argumentar= pri gusto. 3) konfuzeso: Komprenende, on retenas sat multa dezinenci por k= lareso. De Progreso (153/1949): Eriksson (Akademiano): ,,, por la novici= nia dezinenci certe faciligas la kompreno dil texti ... Pos du o tri yarde= ki, kande la yunaro generale studiis Ido en la skoli, forsan esos apta temp= o eventuale aceptar la fakultativa finalo -o. Amikale Tom Wood ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01BED77C.6C0F22140 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable content-type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1"
Kar amiki
********************
James Chandler
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Me esayos respondar a vua tri k= ritiki.
1) dezinenci: Me p= ovas nur repetar ke me ne volas abolisar la dezinenci. Me nur volas havar = plusa libereso.
2) eufonio= : Me opinionas ke ico es afero di gusto. Me ne pensas ke on povas argument= ar pri gusto.
3) konfuzeso= : Komprenende, on retenas sat multa dezinenci por klareso.
 
De Progreso (153/1949):  Eriksson (Akademiano):  = ,,, por la novici nia dezinenci certe faciligas la kompreno dil texti ... = Pos du o tri yardeki, kande la yunaro generale studiis Ido en la skoli, fo= rsan esos apta tempo eventuale aceptar la fakultativa finalo -o.
Amikale
Tom Wood
------=_NextPart_000_000C_01BED77C.6C0F22140-- From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 852 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 22098 invoked by uid 7770); 26 Jul 1999 14:50:17 -0000 Received: from qh.egroups.com (HELO qh.findmail.com) (10.1.2.28) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 26 Jul 1999 14:50:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 16563 invoked from network); 26 Jul 1999 14:50:18 -0000 Received: from spartacus.a2000.nl (HELO smtp2.a2000.nl) (62.108.1.20) by qh.egroups.com with SMTP; 26 Jul 1999 14:50:18 -0000 Received: from node118d7.a2000.nl ([24.132.24.215] helo=HansStuifbergen) by smtp2.a2000.nl with smtp (Exim 2.02 #4) id 118m52-0007X9-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Mon, 26 Jul 1999 16:50:16 +0200 Message-ID: <001401bed777$587698c0$d7188418@HansStuifbergen.a2000.nl> From: "Ido-Info" To: "idolisto" Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 16:58:39 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Subject: [ido] Ido kom linguo selektebla Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kar amiki, Yen mesajeto de Sergio, helpisto che eGroups: Nia injeniori es informita pri ca prego (t.e.: mea prego konsiderar ed insertar Ido kom linguo aparta en la listo de lingui selektebla) e balde adjuntos la linguo a nia opcioni. Saluti amikala, Hans St. ************************************************************* - Ido, linguo internaciona, absolute vizitez: http://members.tripod.com/~avancigado - nove: LA HERISONI, rakonteto desegnita, da Rymke, 56 pag. Fl. 2,50 / Euri 1,40 / 2 Int. Kuponi di Resp. / "...tre charmiva..." (T. Carlevaro) (anke videz: http://www.angelfire.com/id/Avance/TiaListo1.html) ************************************************************* From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 853 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 4901 invoked by uid 7770); 26 Jul 1999 15:07:36 -0000 Received: from qh.egroups.com (HELO qh.findmail.com) (10.1.2.28) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 26 Jul 1999 15:07:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 20927 invoked from network); 26 Jul 1999 15:07:34 -0000 Received: from besson.vip.uk.com (194.176.202.250) by qh.egroups.com with SMTP; 26 Jul 1999 15:07:34 -0000 Received: from vip-205-174.vip.uk.com ([194.176.205.174] helo=default) by besson.vip.uk.com with smtp (Exim 3.02 #2) id 118mLk-00050S-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Mon, 26 Jul 1999 16:07:33 +0100 Message-ID: <000801bed777$200919e0$5eceb0c2@default> From: "wood" To: Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 15:55:53 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Subject: [ido] Eroro Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0005_01BED77F.57033900" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01BED77F.570333900 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Kar amiki ********************** James Chandler ********************** Eror= o. Voluntez remplasar 'Me esayos' per 'Me esforcos'. Amikale Tom Wood ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01BED77F.570333900 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable content-type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1"
Kar amiki
**********************
James Chandler
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Eroro. Voluntez remplasar 'Me esayos' per 'Me esforcos'.
Amikale
Tom Wood
------=_NextPart_000_0005_01BED77F.570333900-- From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 854 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 5923 invoked by uid 7770); 26 Jul 1999 15:40:10 -0000 Received: from qg.egroups.com (HELO qg.findmail.com) (10.1.2.27) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 26 Jul 1999 15:40:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 7276 invoked from network); 26 Jul 1999 15:40:08 -0000 Received: from spartacus.a2000.nl (HELO smtp2.a2000.nl) (62.108.1.20) by qg.egroups.com with SMTP; 26 Jul 1999 15:40:08 -0000 Received: from node118d7.a2000.nl ([24.132.24.215] helo=HansStuifbergen) by smtp2.a2000.nl with smtp (Exim 2.02 #4) id 118mrH-0002Rq-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Mon, 26 Jul 1999 17:40:07 +0200 Message-ID: <004801bed77e$4f50d060$d7188418@HansStuifbergen.a2000.nl> From: "Ido-Info" To: "idolisto" Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 17:48:30 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Subject: [ido] babilobuxo Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kar amiko Frank, Me eroris, ne es la babilobuxo di idolisto qua es uzata, ma ta dil administreri. Pardonez me pro ca eroreto. Saluti amikala, Hans St. ************************************************************* - Ido, linguo internaciona, absolute vizitez: http://members.tripod.com/~avancigado - nove: LA HERISONI, rakonteto desegnita, da Rymke, 56 pag. Fl. 2,50 / Euri 1,40 / 2 Int. Kuponi di Resp. / "...tre charmiva..." (T. Carlevaro) (anke videz: http://www.angelfire.com/id/Avance/TiaListo1.html) ************************************************************* From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 855 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 12860 invoked by uid 7770); 26 Jul 1999 18:03:54 -0000 Received: from qh.egroups.com (HELO qh.findmail.com) (10.1.2.28) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 26 Jul 1999 18:03:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 3516 invoked from network); 26 Jul 1999 18:03:54 -0000 Received: from spartacus.a2000.nl (HELO smtp2.a2000.nl) (62.108.1.20) by qh.egroups.com with SMTP; 26 Jul 1999 18:03:54 -0000 Received: from node118d7.a2000.nl ([24.132.24.215] helo=HansStuifbergen) by smtp2.a2000.nl with smtp (Exim 2.02 #4) id 118p6O-0001E7-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Mon, 26 Jul 1999 20:03:52 +0200 Message-ID: <008001bed792$635eb220$d7188418@HansStuifbergen.a2000.nl> From: "Ido-Info" To: Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 20:12:14 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Subject: [ido] Re: "Internaciona Biologal Lexiko en Ido" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kar amiko Daniel, Grandioze ke vu trovis exemplero di "Internaciona Biologial Lexiko en Ido". Me es tre interesata pri ta libro. Me serchos en la biblioteki en Amsterdam, ma se semblas ke me ol ne trovas, ka me povas pregar a vu fotokopiar la libro e sendar ol a me? Komprenez, me pagos omna kusti. Voluntez vartar la rezulti di mea serchado. Saluti amikala, Hans St. ************************************************************* - Ido, linguo internaciona, absolute vizitez: http://members.tripod.com/~avancigado - nove: LA HERISONI, rakonteto desegnita, da Rymke, 56 pag. Fl. 2,50 / Euri 1,40 / 2 Int. Kuponi di Resp. / "...tre charmiva..." (T. Carlevaro) (anke videz: http://www.angelfire.com/id/Avance/TiaListo1.html) ************************************************************* From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 856 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 7403 invoked by uid 7770); 26 Jul 1999 18:39:31 -0000 Received: from qh.egroups.com (HELO qh.findmail.com) (10.1.2.28) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 26 Jul 1999 18:39:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 11513 invoked from network); 26 Jul 1999 18:39:31 -0000 Received: from out2.minitel.net (HELO gmailint2.globalmail.net) (193.252.91.11) by qh.egroups.com with SMTP; 26 Jul 1999 18:39:31 -0000 Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 20:39:30 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199907261839.UAA19957@gmailint2.globalmail.net> From: jeanmartignon@minitel.net (JEAN MARTIGNON) To: idolisto@egroups.com (IDOLISTO) MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] Usana vinko Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Kara cibernauti, Hiere la Usano di Texas Lance Armstrong esis vinkanto che la biciklala turo di Francia. Tri yari ante nun, il sufrabis pri kancero e nun il esas vinkero che sportala konkurso. Quon opinionas la Usani pri lo ? Ka li fieresas o tote simple ignoras ica vinko ? Kordiala ciberspacala saluti. JM From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 857 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 24697 invoked by uid 7770); 26 Jul 1999 20:55:36 -0000 Received: from qh.egroups.com (HELO qh.findmail.com) (10.1.2.28) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 26 Jul 1999 20:55:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 10244 invoked from network); 26 Jul 1999 20:55:37 -0000 Received: from new.sis.it (HELO dipobox.sis.it) (193.70.16.253) by qh.egroups.com with SMTP; 26 Jul 1999 20:55:37 -0000 Received: from lizard [193.70.17.2] with smtp by dipobox.sis.it with smtp (Smail-3.2.0.103 1998-Oct-9 #4 #4) id m118ubO-000R9uC; Mon, 26 Jul 1999 22:56:14 -0100 (GMT+1) Message-Id: Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 22:56:14 -0100 (GMT+1) X-Sender: narcar@mailserver.sis.it X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 To: idolisto@egroups.com From: Carlo Nardini Subject: [ido] linguala expert-grupo Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Karisima* amiki, [Me esis quik sendonta ica mesajo, kande me trovis mea e-mailo* inundita per surprizo-stroko da la sendaji takatala. Granda laboro. Mea komplimenti, domine Takata.] La lasta hika diskuti pri "pluvo" rivenigas me a la linguala konsilantaro. [Pasante, me ne havas problemi pri "pluvo", preske sempre adequata, sen tro subtiligar. Okazione me es pronta uzar -ajo, -uro, tale: -- me vartas la pluvo (= la fakto pluvar) freshiganta l'aero en la somero; -- tamen dum la pluvo (o dum la pluvar) me klozas la fenestri dil domo por ke la pluvajo (= aquo falanta) ne enirez; -- me rekolias en cisterno la pluvuro por arozar la gardeno en la dii senpluva; -- me kredas ke on mezuras la pluvuro (= aquo falinta) per la pluviometro] 14/07/99 me skribis: me konkordas kun H. Stuifbergen e J. Chandler (ank E. Dickens ?) pri la neceseso havar expert-grupo, decidanta linguala questioni... unike, la nomo "Akademio" semblas a me tro pompoza... plu adequata nomo povus esar "Konsilantaro"... E. Dickens respondis: yes, me konkordas kun Stuifbergen / Chandler / Nardini, ke es necesa krear expert-grupo... Anke J. Martignon respondis: me aprobas la ideo di s-ro Nardini ke vice Akademio devus existar linguala konsilantaro... omnakaze esas tro frua por krear tal organismo, nam ni mustas avan omno krear (o rikrear) literatur(et)o... esas multe plu utila : laborar... Me ne intelektas la antinomio: sive linguala konsilantaro... sive literaturo. Qua kontrasto esas inter la du? Me, tradukante latina sentenco, kredas ke "oportas facar l'unu e ne omisar l'altru". Ti, qui volas kai* savas skribar (artikli, poezii, romani), skribez. Se me havus la plumo di J. Martignon, anke me forsan skribus. Ti, qui povas o mem volas nur lektar e studiar, havez, en la dubaji, sua guidanto. Ti, qui deziras updatar* (aktualizar) precipue pri la lexiko la linguo, havez sua organismo (linguala expert-grupo), a quu su referar. Me ne vidas quamaniere la laboro por parfinar exemple la grava IDO-VORTARO iniciita da Hans Cornioley, o adminime la "LEXIKO DI NOVA VORTI" da Camiel de Cock, impedus la literaturo. Kontree, me kredas ke on ne povas skribar exemple moderna amoro-fiktivaji (amoro-ficioni*?) mankante la vorto por "slip e "zip". Anke, me ne vidas qua bono venas de literatur-pagino plena de asteriski*. Tamen me komprenas (e parte kundividas) la timo ke linguala komitato povas decidar senreflekta reformi detrimentoza por la linguo. Me kredas ke ita risko povas minimigesar per strikta reguli statutala, e per ponderata selekto dil membri. Cetere, omno havas la por e la kontre. Cakaze, segun mea humila opinione, le por superesas le kontre. Ton dicinte, por ke ica ne restez ankorfoye "mortinta letro", me demandas formale, - de la prezidanto dil Uniono por la Linguo Internaciona-IDO - de la membri dil Direktanta Komitato ke on diskutez oficale la oportuneso di linguala expert-grupo, e ke fine on decidez motivizite, "yes" o "no". Se la decido esos "no", me ne plus insistos. Kordiale Carlo Nardini From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 858 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 13835 invoked by uid 7770); 26 Jul 1999 21:22:02 -0000 Received: from qh.egroups.com (HELO qh.findmail.com) (10.1.2.28) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 26 Jul 1999 21:22:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 16181 invoked from network); 26 Jul 1999 21:22:01 -0000 Received: from mga2.primo.co.jp (210.145.40.130) by qh.egroups.com with SMTP; 26 Jul 1999 21:22:01 -0000 Received: from mga2.primo.co.jp (unverified [210.145.40.140]) by mga2.primo.co.jp (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Tue, 27 Jul 1999 06:24:53 +0900 Message-ID: <000901bed7ab$e999c1e0$822891d2@primo.co.jp> From: "Bebson Y. TAKATA" To: "IDOLISTO" References: Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 06:11:59 +0900 Organization: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Subject: [ido] Me dormabas. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-2022-jp" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kara Sri Cibernauti:#1 Generalajo #2 Linguo #3 Politiko #4 Religio ============================================================================== Beste vriend Kara Sro Hans STUIFBERGEN:#1 Multa danko. Me dormabas. ============================================================================== HoLala! Me komplete dormis kande me skribis mea lasta letro, nam nur kande me dormas, mea Esperanto riviveskas: dum tagi -> dum dii Quante stulta me es! Por la Japoniani, me devus skribar explikaji 3 o 4 -ople kam por Europani, nam la strukturo di la Japona esas multege diferanta de la lingui Europana. Quankam me libere lektas la Japona, skribar olu korekte esas tote altra kozo. Forsan, me esperas, Prof. MORITA-Akira Sensei povus helpar ni. ============================================================================== Kara Prof. MORITA-Akira Sensei:#1 Ka vu povus helpar ni? ============================================================================== Ka ne esus kelka studenti che vu, qui interesesas da Ido e povas bone tradukar nia lernolibro en l'Angla, adjuntate bezonata explikuri por la Japoni, aden l'autentika e kulturoza Japona? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- B.Y.T. .....Idisto ed Idiotisto pro mea limitizita edukado ed anke Ido-Kavaliero e shinko-aktoro di Teatro FilozofiACHala ============================================================================== Pliz* indikez mea erori pri vorti, gramatiko, dicmaniero ec., nam me esas nura ne-edukito e devas lernar dum ke me vivas. Me sempre esperas, samideani, via amikeso por EXTRA prenar peno de via parto por instruktar me, qua durstas ye savo ulaspecala. Tamen en rara kazo kande me savas plu bone kam vi, me volunte transdonos mea humila savo a vi segun via bezoni. ============================================================================== From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 859 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 13943 invoked by uid 7770); 26 Jul 1999 21:22:10 -0000 Received: from qg.egroups.com (HELO qg.findmail.com) (10.1.2.27) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 26 Jul 1999 21:22:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 1573 invoked from network); 26 Jul 1999 21:22:09 -0000 Received: from vasquez.zip.com.au (203.12.97.41) by qg.egroups.com with SMTP; 26 Jul 1999 21:22:09 -0000 Received: from kalocsay (kenny102.zip.com.au [61.8.18.230]) by vasquez.zip.com.au (8.9.2/8.9.1) with SMTP id HAA13350 for ; Tue, 27 Jul 1999 07:14:21 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <000201bed7ac$b84c2fa0$e612083d@kalocsay> From: "Adrian Neilson Hall" To: References: <005001becee8$f3563400$d7188418@HansStuifbergen.a2000.nl> <379007a1.867998@mail.infomail.es> <01a701bed252$197e2040$3e14083d@kalocsay> <37946162.2844825@mail.infomail.es> <3795490A.727B@cantv.net> <379b93ad.7498296@mail.infomail.es> Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 00:35:46 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Subject: [ido] Re: Nova kodexi Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Kordial saluti ad omni Marcos skribis: > ... la Idala teorio pri rekt-de= rivo ne korespondas > exakte kun la praktiko di la uzanti. Un exemplo plu: = "mensogo" > signifikas segun la teorio di Ido "akto mensogar". Ma normale, = kande > ni uzas "mensogo" ni ne pensas pri "akto" ma pri "kozo" (aprox."fal= sa > kozo qua on dicas"). Esas pro to ke ni parolas pri "dicar mensogi" e >= ne "facar mensogi". Unesme: me pensas ke uzante la vorti "akto" e "mensog= ar", vu vere vizas "ago" e "mentiar". "Akto" segun la dicionario da Dyer ap= artenas al domeni legal e teatral. Me hezitas jetar stoni ad uzo di esperan= tal radiki nam me savas ke me facas same suficante ofte. Tamen es dicinda. = Bonvole indikez a me la erori quin me facas. Tale me lernas. Duesme: en an= tea sendaji me konsentis ke es du signifiki diferanta en substantivi direte= derivita de verbi; ke es signifiko kozal e signifiko agal en exemple, la = vorto "pluvo". Me anke dicis ke la diferi inter la du signifiki es tre sub= tila, mem tro subtila por meritar diferiganta sufixo. Nun, pos pensir pri l= a questiono me opinionas ke ta difero es fakte iluziono. To es: es nur un s= ignifiko en la vorto "pluvo" (e en la vorto "mentio") ma ke es du aspekti d= i ta signifiko - aspekto agal e aspekto kozal. Pluse, ta du aspekti es inh= eranta en la defino di "pluvar" (e di "mentiar") e konseque di "pluvo" (e "= mentio"). Ne konvinkita? Nu, sequez me e indikez ube me eroras. Ni examin= ez "mentiar". La defino dicionarial es, quale indikis Marcos, "dicar ulo n= evera". Do, ya es du aspekti di mentiar - (a) dicar, e (b) ulo nevera. Nu = Marcos skribis ke kande ni uzas la substantivo "mentio", ni pensas ne pri a= go ma pri kozo. To povus esar. Ma en ta kazo, la kozo pri qua ni pensas es= nur la duesma parto de la koncepto - la (b) ulo nevera. Restas tamen ke f= undamental aspekto di mentio es la dico. On povas pensar ulo nevera, ma on = ne mentias til on dicas ulo nevera. Fakte, "dicar mentii" es tautologio (e= "facar mentio" ne havas senco por me). On devus dicar sive " lu mentias" s= ive "lu dicas ulo nevera". On devus ne mixar l'una kun l'altra. Simile pr= i pluvo. Es la du aspekti: (a) la falo e (b) la guti di aquo. Se on hazarde= pensas a kozo vice ad ago, ta kozo es nur un parto - la guti di aquo. Ma = la du aspekti es fundamental al defino di pluvo. Rezume do, ne oportas "re= formar la teorio por ke ol reflektez la vera uzo ke ni Idisti facas". E ne = oportas renuncar la famoza principo di inversigebleso. La direta derivo "me= ntiar > mentio" es tam valida kam "agar > ago" e "pensar > penso". Ni rev= erencez anke al intelekto di Couturat, la formulizanto dil principo di inve= rsigebleso. Il ya esis logikisto profesione. amike Adrian From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 860 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 29897 invoked by uid 7770); 27 Jul 1999 01:15:54 -0000 Received: from qg.egroups.com (HELO qg.findmail.com) (10.1.2.27) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 27 Jul 1999 01:15:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 21195 invoked from network); 27 Jul 1999 01:15:53 -0000 Received: from vasquez.zip.com.au (203.12.97.41) by qg.egroups.com with SMTP; 27 Jul 1999 01:15:53 -0000 Received: from kalocsay (kenny102.zip.com.au [61.8.18.230]) by vasquez.zip.com.au (8.9.2/8.9.1) with SMTP id LAA28493 for ; Tue, 27 Jul 1999 11:08:04 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <00d501bed7cd$5cad95a0$e612083d@kalocsay> From: "Adrian Neilson Hall" To: References: <000901bed7ab$e999c1e0$822891d2@primo.co.jp> Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 11:14:20 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Subject: [ido] Re: Me dormabas. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Bebson Y. TAKATA skribis: > Quankam me libere lektas la Japona, skribar o= lu korekte esas tote altra kozo. > Forsan, me esperas, Prof. MORITA-Akira S= ensei povus helpar ni. 1) Do, ka me bone komprenis ke vu ne es denaske jap= oniano. Me remarkis ke vu skribis vua nomo kom Bebson Hochfeld che la fino = dil lasta chapitro quankam altraloke vu uzas la nomo Takata. Men interesas= vua origino e historio. Ka vu bonvole kelke klarigus? 2) Men anke interes= as vua skopo kun ca lernolibro. Se me bone komprenas la afero, vu prenis ex= istanta lernolibro de Nicholas ApGlyn e adjuntas e emendis ( e supozante an= ke plubonigis). Quon vu korektigis. Quon vu adjuntis. E pro quo? Pro quo n= e simple lasar "Ido for all" en olua aktual formo? 3) Segun me, vice send= ar la chapitri kom aparta desjuntita depeshi al egroups, plu bona ideo esus= afishigar omna chapitri kune en TTT-eyo (interret-paginaro) quale Geocitie= s, qua es gratuita. Recevar subite 20 depeshi del sama persono en la ret-po= stal recevo-skatolo povas esar experienco konsternanta. Me erste pensis pri= paneo di mea lektilo. From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 861 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 23654 invoked by uid 7770); 27 Jul 1999 02:22:58 -0000 Received: from qh.egroups.com (HELO qh.findmail.com) (10.1.2.28) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 27 Jul 1999 02:22:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 18267 invoked from network); 27 Jul 1999 02:22:53 -0000 Received: from mga2.primo.co.jp (210.145.40.130) by qh.egroups.com with SMTP; 27 Jul 1999 02:22:53 -0000 Received: from mga2.primo.co.jp (unverified [210.145.40.140]) by mga2.primo.co.jp (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Tue, 27 Jul 1999 11:25:34 +0900 Message-ID: <000901bed7d5$eaa46200$822891d2@primo.co.jp> From: "Bebson Y. TAKATA" To: "IDOLISTO" References: Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 11:11:05 +0900 Organization: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Subject: [ido] Ka me esas hucpoza* a vu? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-2022-jp" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kara Sri Cibernauti:#1 Generalajo #2 Linguo #3 Politiko #4 Religio ============================================================================== Kara Dro Carlo NARDINI:#1 Multa danko. ============================================================================== Me esperas ke anke vu adjuntos vu ad ecitanta fabrikado di lernolibrin por nia futurala lernanti en diversa landi en singla linguo. ============================================================================== Kara Sro Adrian Neilson HALL:#1 Ka me esas hucpoza* a vu? ============================================================================== ]Quankam me libere lektas la Japona, skribar olu korekte esas tote altra kozo. ]Forsan, me esperas, Prof. MORITA-Akira Sensei povus helpar ni. >1) Do, ka me bone komprenis ke vu ne es denaske japoniano. > Me remarkis ke vu skribis vua nomo kom Bebson Hochfeld che la fino dil > lasta chapitro quankam altraloke vu uzas la nomo Takata. >Men interesas vua origino e historio. Ka vu bonvole kelke klarigus? Me ya povas skribar en la Japona, ma multa personi ofte dicas a me, nepolite, ke me skribas male. Omna Japono konocas ke la nomo 'Bebson' ne es Japoniana. Tamen men ne interesas mea origino e historio, nam me ne deziras rakontar oli. >2) Men anke interesas vua skopo kun ca lernolibro. > Se me bone komprenas la afero, vu prenis existanta lernolibro de Nicholas > ApGlyn e adjuntas e emendis ( e supozante anke plubonigis). >Quon vu korektigis. Quon vu adjuntis. E pro quo? >Pro quo ne simple lasar "Ido for all" en olua aktual formo? Regretinde "Ido for all" en sua aktuala formo esas plena de eroreti. Tamen me esas tradicionalisto, ed omna autori quala Niklas ApGawain + P.D. Hugon + J.L. Moore + L. de Beaufront skribis tre bona materii por omna lernanti e me tre deziris konservar nia historio tam multe kam posible. Me nur adjuntis. Do en ta punto me esforcis esar nur bona Talmudisto. Ka me ya esis tala? >3) Segun me, vice sendar la chapitri kom aparta desjuntita depeshi al egroups, > plu bona ideo esus afishigar omna chapitri kune en TTT-eyo > (interret-paginaro) quale Geocities, qua es gratuita. Me sendis nur mea unesma exemplo, do vi omni devus facar olu aden la libro. >Recevar subite 20 depeshi del sama persono en la ret-postal recevo-skatolo > povas esar experienco konsternanta. > Me erste pensis pri paneo di mea lektilo. Pro ke me bone savis ke en Idolisto existas multi, qui ne povas atingar TTT-eyo ma nur povas lektar letri sendata da eGroups. Mea materii tote ne es por vu, qua bone lernabas Ido e povas uzar ol tam libere kam ke vu irge volas. Do me skribis ke vu afable prenez vua peno efacar 'jenoza' letri por vu, ka ne? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Adio! .....sincere via, B.Y.T. .....Idisto ed Idiotisto pro mea limitizita edukado ed anke Ido-Kavaliero kun abundanta hucpo* e numeroza erori ============================================================================== Pliz* indikez mea erori pri vorti, gramatiko, dicmaniero ec., nam me esas nura ne-edukito e devas lernar dum ke me vivas. Me sempre esperas, samideani, via amikeso por EXTRA prenar peno de via parto por instruktar me, qua durstas ye savo ulaspecala. Tamen en rara kazo kande me savas plu bone kam vi, me volunte transdonos mea humila savo a vi segun via bezoni. ============================================================================== From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 862 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 22479 invoked by uid 7770); 27 Jul 1999 06:52:12 -0000 Received: from qg.egroups.com (HELO qg.findmail.com) (10.1.2.27) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 27 Jul 1999 06:52:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 30937 invoked from network); 27 Jul 1999 06:52:12 -0000 Received: from besson.vip.uk.com (194.176.202.250) by qg.egroups.com with SMTP; 27 Jul 1999 06:52:12 -0000 Received: from vip-206-60.vip.uk.com ([194.176.206.60] helo=default) by besson.vip.uk.com with smtp (Exim 3.02 #2) id 11915t-0003tt-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Tue, 27 Jul 1999 07:52:10 +0100 Message-ID: <000701bed7fb$1619b820$3cceb0c2@default> From: "wood" To: Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 07:40:18 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Subject: [ido] Ido Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0004_01BED803.4677A420" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BED803.4677AA420 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Kar amiki En Progreso (1948/49) es tre interesanta diskuto pri fakultativa = -o. 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R= ezulto: 5 yes, 8 no, repulsita.
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------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BED803.4677AA420-- From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 863 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 15215 invoked by uid 7770); 27 Jul 1999 12:20:01 -0000 Received: from qh.egroups.com (HELO qh.findmail.com) (10.1.2.28) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 27 Jul 1999 12:20:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 28350 invoked from network); 27 Jul 1999 12:19:58 -0000 Received: from ncc2.infomail.es (HELO infomail.es) (194.224.53.135) by qh.egroups.com with SMTP; 27 Jul 1999 12:19:58 -0000 Received: from 206005.rad.bbv.es ([195.53.206.5]) by infomail.es (Tid InfoMail Exchanger v2.20) with SMTP id #933077557.148390001; Tue, 27 Jul 1999 14:12:37 +0200 From: xavo@bbvnet.com To: idolisto@egroups.com Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 12:20:34 GMT Message-ID: <379de5cf.8356067@mail.infomail.es> References: <005001becee8$f3563400$d7188418@HansStuifbergen.a2000.nl> <379007a1.867998@mail.infomail.es> <01a701bed252$197e2040$3e14083d@kalocsay> <37946162.2844825@mail.infomail.es> <3795490A.727B@cantv.net> <379b93ad.7498296@mail.infomail.es> <000201bed7ac$b84c2fa0$e612083d@kalocsay> In-Reply-To: <000201bed7ac$b84c2fa0$e612083d@kalocsay> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.01/32.397 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Infomail-Id: 933077557.39F7010A811067.18078 Subject: [ido] Re: Nova kodexi Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Tem Tue, 27 Jul 1999 00:35:46 +1000, "Adrian Neilson Hall" skribis: >Unesme: me pensas ke uzante la vorti "akto" e "mensogar", = vu vere vizas "ago" e "mentiar". "Akto" segun la dicionario da Dyer aparten= as al domeni legal e teatral. Me hezitas jetar stoni ad uzo di esperantal r= adiki nam me savas ke me facas same suficante ofte. Tamen es dicinda. Bonvo= le indikez a me la erori quin me facas. Tale me lernas. Danko pro vua kore= ktigi. Me poko pos poko lernas tale la vokablaro di Ido. >Ne konvinkita? N= u, sequez me e indikez ube me eroras. Ni examinez "mentiar". La defino dici= onarial es, quale indikis Marcos, "dicar ulo nevera". Do, ya es du aspekti= di mentiar - (a) dicar, e (b) ulo nevera. Nu Marcos skribis ke kande ni u= zas la substantivo "mentio", ni pensas ne pri ago ma pri kozo. To povus esa= r. Ma en ta kazo, la kozo pri qua ni pensas es nur la duesma parto de la k= oncepto - la (b) ulo nevera. Restas tamen ke fundamental aspekto di mentio= es la dico. On povas pensar ulo nevera, ma on ne mentias til on dicas ulo = nevera. Okey til nun. >Fakte, "dicar mentii" es tautologio (e "facar ment= io" ne havas senco por me). >On devus dicar sive " lu mentias" sive "lu di= cas ulo nevera". On devus ne mixar l'una kun l'altra. Forsan, ma to es qu= on me proklamas: sive la uzanti chanjez lia linguo-uzo, sive on chanjez la = teorio. Li uzanti uzas "mentio" (e centi di simila vorti) quale kozala e ne= agala (quale "dicar mentii" montras). E me ca-respekte pensas ke la teorio= devus reflektar la reala uzo di la linguo da sua uzanti, od ni havos du Id= i: la teoriala e la praktikala. >Simile pri pluvo. Es la du aspekti: (a) = la falo e (b) la guti di aquo. Se on hazarde pensas a kozo vice ad ago, ta= kozo es nur un parto - la guti di aquo. Ma la du aspekti es fundamental al= defino di pluvo. Nature, ma segun on kombinez oli, on havos diferanta sig= nifikati. Ne esas sama "la filio de la frato" kam "la frato de la filio", m= a oli ambe havas du sama aspekti: (a) frato e (b) filio. Simile, ne esas sa= ma "la falo dil aquo" kam "la aquo qua falas", nek oli esas du aspekti di l= a sama signifiko. Me pensas ke la difereso es klara, ma forsan ne omni kapa= blas vidar ol. Forsan vu sucesos trovar la difereso kun "nivo". Ka vu pens= as ke esas samo la falo di la nivo kam la blanka nivo? Ka vu pensas ke kand= e on dicas "esas 10 cm di nivo sur la tekto di mea domo" on parolas pri "la= ago (o stando) di la verbo nivar", quale Idala regulo definus ol? >Rez= ume do, ne oportas "reformar la teorio por ke ol reflektez la vera uzo ke n= i Idisti facas". E ne oportas renuncar la famoza principo di inversigebleso= . La direta derivo "mentiar > mentio" es tam valida kam "agar > ago" e "pe= nsar > penso". > >Ni reverencez anke al intelekto di Couturat, la formuliza= nto dil principo di inversigebleso. Il ya esis logikisto profesione. Se ca= es la momento por apelar al eminenci, lasez a me nomar Otto Jespersen. Il = ya observis ca problemi di la Idala deriv-sistemo ante plu kam 70 yari. Ed = il ya esis linguisto profesione. Saluti, Marcos PS: Formulizanto? Pro quo= ne formulifanto o formulaganto? From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 864 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@eGroups.com Received: (qmail 9389 invoked by uid 7770); 27 Jul 1999 14:09:10 -0000 Received: from qh.egroups.com (HELO qh.findmail.com) (10.1.2.28) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 27 Jul 1999 14:09:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 21862 invoked from network); 27 Jul 1999 14:09:08 -0000 Received: from mu.egroups.com (207.138.41.151) by qh.egroups.com with SMTP; 27 Jul 1999 14:09:08 -0000 Received: from [10.1.2.26] by mu.egroups.com with NNFMP; 27 Jul 1999 15:09:08 -0000 Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 07:09:05 -0700 From: idolinguo@geocities.com To: idolisto@eGroups.com Message-ID: <7nkei1$flcd@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <379A9B1D.5B2A@cantv.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.76 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: www.eGroups.com Message Poster Subject: [ido] Idala hispana-lingua grupo Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <379a9b1d.5b2-@cantv.net> skribis: originala artiklo: http://www.egroups.c= om/group/idolisto/?start=3D812 > Me donis a Jos=E9 Mar=EDa Garc=EDa ofro, = tamen il nultempe respondis se yes o > se no. Unesme, ideo pri enretigar la= hispana postala Ido-kurso, quale > HTML e quale elektronika-postala kurso = kun instruktisto.... > Mea altra ofro esis mea forci e helpo por krear e ko= nstruktar > TTT-pagino por e pri Ido en la hispana ed en Ido, da la > hispa= na-parolanti. Sioro Daniel Alberto Alegrett, facez ol. Vu mem povus uzar l= a marveloza kurso jus sendita da sioro Takata. Se vu kreas TTT-eyo por e pr= i Ido en la hispana linguo, ico certe atraktos nova amiki por la linguo int= ernaciona. Vu sendubite savas ke existas kelka pagini en la hispana linguo= por studiar Ido quale en http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/8009/Entendim= iento.html http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/8009/idolinguo/lengua/idocurs= o.htm http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/8009/idolinguo/lengua/idohispana.h= tml Esus necesa, segun me, havar vortaro hispana-Ido en la interreto. Max= im amike vin salutas Martin From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 865 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@eGroups.com Received: (qmail 16890 invoked by uid 7770); 27 Jul 1999 14:17:25 -0000 Received: from qg.egroups.com (HELO qg.findmail.com) (10.1.2.27) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 27 Jul 1999 14:17:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 15022 invoked from network); 27 Jul 1999 14:17:26 -0000 Received: from mu.egroups.com (207.138.41.151) by qg.egroups.com with SMTP; 27 Jul 1999 14:17:26 -0000 Received: from [10.1.2.26] by mu.egroups.com with NNFMP; 27 Jul 1999 15:17:24 -0000 Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 07:17:21 -0700 From: idolinguo@geocities.com To: idolisto@eGroups.com Message-ID: <7nkf1h$9c22@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.76 X-Mailer: www.eGroups.com Message Poster Subject: [ido] linguala expert-grupo Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Karega amiki, > Ton dicinte, por ke ica ne restez ankorfoye "mortinta letro", > me demandas formale, > - de la prezidanto dil Uniono por la Linguo Internaciona-IDO > - de la membri dil Direktanta Komitato > ke on diskutez oficale la oportuneso di linguala expert-grupo, > e ke fine on decidez motivizite, "yes" o "no". Me sekondas ica propozo. Fakte elekti dil membri dil Direktanta Komitato nun eventas poste en la Uniono por la Linguo Internaciona. Maxim amike vin salutas Martin From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 866 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 28324 invoked by uid 7770); 27 Jul 1999 17:54:03 -0000 Received: from qh.egroups.com (HELO qh.findmail.com) (10.1.2.28) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 27 Jul 1999 17:54:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 17588 invoked from network); 27 Jul 1999 17:54:03 -0000 Received: from spartacus.a2000.nl (HELO smtp2.a2000.nl) (62.108.1.20) by qh.egroups.com with SMTP; 27 Jul 1999 17:54:03 -0000 Received: from node118d7.a2000.nl ([24.132.24.215] helo=HansStuifbergen) by smtp2.a2000.nl with smtp (Exim 2.02 #4) id 119BQQ-0002Sd-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Tue, 27 Jul 1999 19:54:02 +0200 Message-ID: <001301bed85a$2ff20900$d7188418@HansStuifbergen.a2000.nl> From: "Ido-Info" To: "idolisto" Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 20:02:25 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Subject: [ido] LKGarkivo Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kar amiko Frank, ************************************************************* - Ido, linguo internaciona, absolute vizitez: http://members.tripod.com/~avancigado - nove: LA HERISONI, rakonteto desegnita, da Rymke, 56 pag. Fl. 2,50 / Euri 1,40 / 2 Int. Kuponi di Resp. / "...tre charmiva..." (T. Carlevaro) (anke videz: http://www.angelfire.com/id/Avance/TiaListo1.html) ************************************************************* From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 867 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 31661 invoked by uid 7770); 27 Jul 1999 17:57:58 -0000 Received: from qg.egroups.com (HELO qg.findmail.com) (10.1.2.27) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 27 Jul 1999 17:57:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 13696 invoked from network); 27 Jul 1999 17:57:58 -0000 Received: from spartacus.a2000.nl (HELO smtp2.a2000.nl) (62.108.1.20) by qg.egroups.com with SMTP; 27 Jul 1999 17:57:58 -0000 Received: from node118d7.a2000.nl ([24.132.24.215] helo=HansStuifbergen) by smtp2.a2000.nl with smtp (Exim 2.02 #4) id 119BUD-0002dV-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Tue, 27 Jul 1999 19:57:57 +0200 Message-ID: <001701bed85a$bbb35160$d7188418@HansStuifbergen.a2000.nl> From: "Ido-Info" To: "idolisto" Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 20:06:21 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Subject: [ido] holala Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kar amiko Frank, Pardonez me pro l' altra mesajeto, me kondamnas mea stupide formacita klavaro. La klavi es tro proxim l' un l' altra. Irgakaze, me nur pregas a tu ka tu volas adjuntar l' arkivo di LKG al Elektronika Idorevueyo. Yen l' adreso: http://www.angelfire.com/id/Avance/LKGarkivo.html Danko, Saluti amikala, Hans St. ************************************************************* - Ido, linguo internaciona, absolute vizitez: http://members.tripod.com/~avancigado - nove: LA HERISONI, rakonteto desegnita, da Rymke, 56 pag. Fl. 2,50 / Euri 1,40 / 2 Int. Kuponi di Resp. / "...tre charmiva..." (T. Carlevaro) (anke videz: http://www.angelfire.com/id/Avance/TiaListo1.html) ************************************************************* From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 868 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 14632 invoked by uid 7770); 27 Jul 1999 18:15:17 -0000 Received: from qg.egroups.com (HELO qg.findmail.com) (10.1.2.27) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 27 Jul 1999 18:15:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 18687 invoked from network); 27 Jul 1999 18:15:16 -0000 Received: from out2.minitel.net (HELO gmailint2.globalmail.net) (193.252.91.11) by qg.egroups.com with SMTP; 27 Jul 1999 18:15:16 -0000 Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 20:15:05 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199907271815.UAA03281@gmailint2.globalmail.net> From: jeanmartignon@minitel.net (JEAN MARTIGNON) To: idolisto@egroups.com (IDOLISTO) MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] Experti Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Kar amiki, Me ja savigis mea opiniono pri la experti, ma me volas dicar ke esabus multe plu bona por demandar a s-ro Anton krear experto-grupo en la konfereyo di Neviges. Esas ankore tempo por ti qui volas interparolar kun s-ro Anton icarelate irar a la renkontro internaciona di Waldkappel ube esos tre probable nia prezidanto. Me ne konocas Waldkappel, ma ol esas probable seduktiva, neta urbeto di Germania. Do, la deziranti pri experti agus saje per partoprenar la ibala renkontro. Tale povus facesar bona laboro e samatempe bone uzar nia kar idiomo. Kun ne-experta kordiala saluti JM From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 869 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 26010 invoked by uid 7770); 28 Jul 1999 01:31:12 -0000 Received: from qg.egroups.com (HELO qg.findmail.com) (10.1.2.27) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 28 Jul 1999 01:31:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 3596 invoked from network); 28 Jul 1999 01:31:12 -0000 Received: from vasquez.zip.com.au (203.12.97.41) by qg.egroups.com with SMTP; 28 Jul 1999 01:31:12 -0000 Received: from kalocsay (kyle53.zip.com.au [61.8.17.181]) by vasquez.zip.com.au (8.9.2/8.9.1) with SMTP id LAA01594 for ; Wed, 28 Jul 1999 11:23:16 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <007e01bed898$ae0a6ce0$b511083d@kalocsay> From: "Adrian Neilson Hall" To: References: <000901bed7d5$eaa46200$822891d2@primo.co.jp> Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 11:29:14 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Subject: [ido] Re: Ka me esas hucpoza* a vu? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Kordial saluti ad omni Bebson Y. TAKATA skribis: > Tamen men ne interesas= mea origino e historio, nam me ne deziras rakontar oli. Perdonez me. Me e= sis impertinenta. Fakte me ne pozis la justan demandon. Me vere volis savar= se la japoniana esis vua linguo matral. Se la respondo esabus yes, me kura= jigabus vu , quale Hans, tradukar la lernolibro aden la japoniana. Vu ne e= sis "hucpoza'. Me esis "drekopfo". Amike Adrian From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 870 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 1259 invoked by uid 7770); 28 Jul 1999 01:39:42 -0000 Received: from qg.egroups.com (HELO qg.findmail.com) (10.1.2.27) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 28 Jul 1999 01:39:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 5843 invoked from network); 28 Jul 1999 01:39:40 -0000 Received: from mga2.primo.co.jp (210.145.40.130) by qg.egroups.com with SMTP; 28 Jul 1999 01:39:40 -0000 Received: from mga2.primo.co.jp (unverified [210.145.40.140]) by mga2.primo.co.jp (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Wed, 28 Jul 1999 10:42:36 +0900 Message-ID: <001201bed899$0fac5260$822891d2@primo.co.jp> From: "Bebson Y. TAKATA" To: "IDOLISTO" References: Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 10:30:11 +0900 Organization: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Subject: [ido] Ma me amas vi omni. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-2022-jp" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kara Sri Cibernauti:#1 Generalajo #2 Linguo #3 Politiko #4 Religio ============================================================================== Me ipsa lekteskis nia unesma proburo en l'Angla e quik trovis un mistaipuro* de supozeble-nekontebla eror(eg)i kontenata en la 'jenoza' letri da B.Y.T. IFA16 Me tun amoras. 'Me tu amoras' is gramatically correct, though. Me tun amoras. 'Me tu amoras' is gramMatically correct, though. ============================================================================== Kara Sro James CHANDLER:#1 Ka me povus questionar vu pri kelka kozi? ============================================================================== Ye 1999-07-17 vu skribis ke vu recevis la nova numero di "Ido-Vivo", ka ne? Ye 1998-09-18 me sendis pekunio por la membreso en 1999 ad "Ido Society of Great Britain" en 44 Woodville Road, Cathays, Cardiff, Wales CF2 4EB, BRITANIA. Regretinde me ankore ne receivs irga vivo-signo de ibe. Ed on ankore ne povas vidar la membro-listo che eGroups. Dicez a me pliz* quon me facez? Pro ke me ne recevis autentika edukado, me uzas omna mea lingui tre defektoze. Se posibla, voluntez korektigar la linguo en la probanta lernolibro en l'Angla. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Adio! .....sincere via, B.Y.T. .....Idisto ed Idiotisto pro mea limitizita edukado ed anke Ido-Kavaliero kun abundanta hucpo* e numeroza erori ============================================================================== Pliz* indikez mea erori pri vorti, gramatiko, dicmaniero ec., nam me esas nura ne-edukito e devas lernar dum ke me vivas. Me sempre esperas, samideani, via amikeso por EXTRA prenar peno de via parto por instruktar me, qua durstas ye savo ulaspecala. Tamen en rara kazo kande me savas plu bone kam vi, me volunte transdonos mea humila savo a vi segun via bezoni. ============================================================================== From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 871 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 8674 invoked by uid 7770); 28 Jul 1999 08:12:20 -0000 Received: from qg.egroups.com (HELO qg.findmail.com) (10.1.2.27) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 28 Jul 1999 08:12:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 26462 invoked from network); 28 Jul 1999 08:12:21 -0000 Received: from mga2.primo.co.jp (210.145.40.130) by qg.egroups.com with SMTP; 28 Jul 1999 08:12:21 -0000 Received: from mga2.primo.co.jp (unverified [210.145.40.140]) by mga2.primo.co.jp (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Wed, 28 Jul 1999 17:15:22 +0900 Message-ID: <000b01bed8cf$ec801740$822891d2@primo.co.jp> From: "Bebson Y. TAKATA" To: "IDOLISTO" References: Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 17:03:13 +0900 Organization: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Subject: [ido] Yes, I am interested! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-2022-jp" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kara Sri Cibernauti:#1 Generalajo #2 Linguo #3 Politiko #4 Religio ============================================================================== Kara Sro Stephen L. Rice:#1 Yes, I am interested! The more, the better. ============================================================================== Wow! I think you are the first blessing God has given me. I am very grateful to yor for your generous offer. Ni kune facez la bona lernolibro. Til riskribo! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Adio! .....sincere vua, B.Y.T. .....Idisto ed Idiotisto pro mea limitizita edukado ed anke Ido-Kavaliero kun abundanta hucpo* e numeroza erori ============================================================================== Pliz* indikez mea erori pri vorti, gramatiko, dicmaniero ec., nam me esas nura ne-edukito e devas lernar dum ke me vivas. Me sempre esperas, samideani, via amikeso por EXTRA prenar peno de via parto por instruktar me, qua durstas ye savo ulaspecala. Tamen en rara kazo kande me savas plu bone kam vi, me volunte transdonos mea humila savo a vi segun via bezoni. ============================================================================== From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 872 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 18617 invoked by uid 7770); 28 Jul 1999 08:29:27 -0000 Received: from qg.egroups.com (HELO qg.findmail.com) (10.1.2.27) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 28 Jul 1999 08:29:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 29344 invoked from network); 28 Jul 1999 08:29:27 -0000 Received: from epmsa001.ep.minsk.by (194.226.122.227) by qg.egroups.com with SMTP; 28 Jul 1999 08:29:27 -0000 Received: by epmsa001.ep.minsk.by with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Wed, 28 Jul 1999 11:29:15 +0300 Message-ID: <8D76D48EDDD3D211AC3000A0C98212E703A891@epmsa001.ep.minsk.by> From: "Dmitri P. Laptsionak" To: 'IDOLISTO' Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 11:29:15 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Subject: [ido] IFA en la Rusa Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1251" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Saluto Me tre joyas vidar unesma granda kontributo a nia lerna-materiali en Idolisto. Me kun mea poka savado dil Angla linguo ja trovis kelka tajp-erari. Me ne mencionos li, ya ton plu bone facos Angla-parolanti. Ma inspirita dal exemplo me probos krear ulo simila en la Rusa linguo. Ka me mustas pregar pri ula kopi- od autor- permeso? Zmicier From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 873 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 847 invoked by uid 7770); 28 Jul 1999 12:35:33 -0000 Received: from qg.egroups.com (HELO qg.findmail.com) (10.1.2.27) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 28 Jul 1999 12:35:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 5651 invoked from network); 28 Jul 1999 12:35:33 -0000 Received: from mout00.kundenserver.de (195.20.224.69) by qg.egroups.com with SMTP; 28 Jul 1999 12:35:33 -0000 Received: from [195.20.224.68] (helo=mx02.kundenserver.de) by mout00.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 119Svj-00071K-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Wed, 28 Jul 1999 14:35:31 +0200 Received: from [212.122.136.212] (helo=www) by mx02.kundenserver.de with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 119Svi-0007IJ-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Wed, 28 Jul 1999 14:35:31 +0200 Message-ID: <000401bed8f5$8522f380$d4887ad4@fen.baynet.de> From: "Frank Kasper" To: "Idolisto (Mesaji)" Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 14:26:31 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Subject: [ido] Re: Elektronika edituro di "La Kordiego Geyal" Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0005_01BED905.301B1E20" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01BED905.301B11E20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" content-transfer-encoding: 7bit content-type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Kara amiki, kar amiko Hans! Me kordialege dankas a tu pro tua informo ed agado enretigar LKD. Me jus insertis ligo ad ol aden la elektronika Ido-revueyo. Konseque on anke povos lektar LKD direte ibe. Voluntez ankorfoye vizitar la pagino http://www.elektrona-idorevueyo.purespace.de e sendar tua komenti a me! Kompreneble vi omni esas invitata vizitor nia elektronika Ido-revueyo!! Kun la maxim kordiala ed amikala saluti! 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------=_NextPart_000_002B_01BED92D.45E8EE840-- From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 875 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 1490 invoked by uid 7770); 28 Jul 1999 21:07:15 -0000 Received: from qh.egroups.com (HELO qh.findmail.com) (10.1.2.28) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 28 Jul 1999 21:07:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 24935 invoked from network); 28 Jul 1999 21:07:14 -0000 Received: from vasquez.zip.com.au (203.12.97.41) by qh.egroups.com with SMTP; 28 Jul 1999 21:07:14 -0000 Received: from kalocsay (wendy74.zip.com.au [61.8.18.74]) by vasquez.zip.com.au (8.9.2/8.9.1) with SMTP id GAA03850 for ; Thu, 29 Jul 1999 06:59:13 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <000201bed93c$f79736a0$4a12083d@kalocsay> From: "Adrian Neilson Hall" To: References: <7nkf1h$9c22@eGroups.com> Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 12:44:01 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Subject: [ido] Re: linguala expert-grupo Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable kar amiki me anke apogas la ideo di lingual experto-grupo varme Adrian = From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 876 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 1574 invoked by uid 7770); 28 Jul 1999 21:07:23 -0000 Received: from qg.egroups.com (HELO qg.findmail.com) (10.1.2.27) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 28 Jul 1999 21:07:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 93 invoked from network); 28 Jul 1999 21:07:22 -0000 Received: from vasquez.zip.com.au (203.12.97.41) by qg.egroups.com with SMTP; 28 Jul 1999 21:07:22 -0000 Received: from kalocsay (wendy74.zip.com.au [61.8.18.74]) by vasquez.zip.com.au (8.9.2/8.9.1) with SMTP id GAA03856 for ; Thu, 29 Jul 1999 06:59:21 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <000401bed93c$fbf11ae0$4a12083d@kalocsay> From: "Adrian Neilson Hall" To: References: <005001becee8$f3563400$d7188418@HansStuifbergen.a2000.nl> <379007a1.867998@mail.infomail.es> <01a701bed252$197e2040$3e14083d@kalocsay> <37946162.2844825@mail.infomail.es> <3795490A.727B@cantv.net> <379b93ad.7498296@mail.infomail.es> <000201bed7ac$b84c2fa0$e612083d@kalocsay> <379de5cf.8356067@mail.infomail.es> Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 17:06:37 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Subject: [ido] Re: Nova kodexi Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Kar amiki Marcos skribis juste: >... segun on kombinez oli [(a)falo e (b)= guti di aquo], on havos diferanta >signifikati. Ne esas sama "la filio de= la frato" kam "la frato de la filio", ma oli > ambe havas du sama aspekti:= (a) frato e (b) filio. Simile, ne esas > sama "la falo dil aquo" kam "la a= quo qua falas", nek oli esas du > aspekti di la sama signifiko. Me pensas k= e la difereso es klara, ma > forsan ne omni kapablas vidar ol. > > Forsan = vu sucesos trovar la difereso kun "nivo". Ka vu pensas ke esas > samo la fa= lo di la nivo kam la blanka nivo? > Ka vu pensas ke kande on dicas "esas 10= cm di nivo sur la tekto di mea > domo" on parolas pri "la ago (o stando) d= i la verbo nivar", quale > Idala regulo definus ol? Yes. Vua esforco ne es= is vane. Fine me vidas klare la difero. Vua konkreta exemplo dil nivo sigli= s la afero por me. Evidente, en ta frazo "esas 10 cm di nivo sur la tekto = di mea domo", on ne uzas nivo segun la principo de inversigebleso di Coutur= at. Ka segun vu, "nivajo" o "nivuro" esus apta en ta kuntexto? La dicionar= io di Dyer sugestas "nivuro". Erste me questionis me ka niv-flokaro es vere= rezulto de la ago nivar (e do - "uro) o plu juste ulo solida qua rilatas a= l ago (e do - ajo). Ma "nivuro" semblas racionoza a me nun. La blanka amaso= jacanta sur la trotuaro, adminime de certena vidpunto, rezultas de la niva= do dumnokta. Cetere, esas utila diskuto en la pagini X - XVI de ta diciona= rio, pri la sufixi "uro" kaj "ajo"; diskuto qua tushas plur-loke la sama te= mo quin ni diskutis hike en e-groups. > ... sive la uzanti chanjez lia > l= inguo-uzo, sive on chanjez la teorio. Li uzanti uzas "mentio" (e > centi di= simila vorti) quale kozala e ne agala (quale "dicar mentii" > montras). E = me ca-respekte pensas ke la teorio devus reflektar la > reala uzo di la lin= guo da sua uzanti, od ni havos du Idi: la teoriala > e la praktikala. Nu,= forsan to quon vu nomizas "la reala uzo" esas simple "nekorekta uzo" se ol= departas de la principo di invesigebleso. On povas argumentar ke "la pluv= o humidigis la tuko" es nekorekta. Ma "la pluvo ne diminutis dum la tota no= kto" es logikal. E quankam "dicar mentio" es nekorekta, plu juste tautologi= o, "mentio" en expresuro tal qual "ilua mentio men konsternis" ya sequas la= teorio. > Se ca es la momento por apelar al eminenci, lasez a me nomar O= tto > Jespersen. Il ya observis ca problemi di la Idala deriv-sistemo ante = > plu kam 70 yari. Ed il ya esis linguisto profesione. Me savas ke Jespers= en kritikis la Idal derivo-sistemo segun la praktiko, e propozis: pluve =3D= la pluvajo (-uro), tu pluva =3D pluvar, pluvo =3D pluvo. Ma ka lu kritikis= la sistemo Idal segun la logiko? Altravorte, ka lu trovis trui en la argum= ento di Couturat? > PS: Formulizanto? Pro quo ne formulifanto o formulaga= nto? Nu, segun mea intelekto dil questiono, en kazi transitiva, "iz" es pl= u apta kam "if". La pomiero fruktifas. Me, altralatere, aquizas la gardeno.= Couturat donis formo vortal al koncepto de inversigebleso, e ta formo es f= ormulo. Seque me konkludis ke lu formulizis la koncepto. Kordiale Adrian = From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 877 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 14449 invoked by uid 7770); 29 Jul 1999 01:42:22 -0000 Received: from qh.egroups.com (HELO qh.findmail.com) (10.1.2.28) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 29 Jul 1999 01:42:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 27154 invoked from network); 29 Jul 1999 01:42:21 -0000 Received: from mga2.primo.co.jp (210.145.40.130) by qh.egroups.com with SMTP; 29 Jul 1999 01:42:21 -0000 Received: from mga2.primo.co.jp (unverified [210.145.40.140]) by mga2.primo.co.jp (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Thu, 29 Jul 1999 10:45:22 +0900 Message-ID: <002f01bed962$984f2a60$822891d2@primo.co.jp> From: "Bebson Y. TAKATA" To: "IDOLISTO" References: Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 10:31:32 +0900 Organization: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Subject: [ido] Poke pri nia IFA. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-2022-jp" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kara Sri Cibernauti:#1 Generalajo #2 Linguo #3 Politiko #4 Religio ============================================================================== Kara Sri Cibernauti:#1 Pri nia IFA. Qua facos la finala formo di IFA? ============================================================================== L'Angla stili di Niklas ApGawain, P.D. Hugon e J.L. Moore ya esas diferanta. La mala stilo di B.Y.T esas mixuro di hike ulo formala ed ibe ulo konversatra. Ka forsan ulu povus prenar peno uniformigar la stilo en IFA o riskribar lo male skribita da B.Y.T. aden la bela Angla plu autentika, komoda e persuadiva? ============================================================================== Kara Sro Dmitri P. LAPTSIONAK:#1 IFA en la Rusa? Wao! Me esas felicega. ============================================================================== >Ka me devas pregar kopi- od autor- permiso? Regretinde me ne savas, nam nun preske omna Britaniana Idisti komfortoze tacas. Forsan pro ke generale, quale Japoni, Britaniani esas tre modesta e konservema, ecepte nia kara Sro James CHANDLER qua havas peceto de hucpo* quon me prizas. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Adio! .....sincere via, B.Y.T. .....Idisto ed Idiotisto pro mea limitizita edukado ed anke Ido-Kavaliero kun abundanta hucpo* e numeroza erori ============================================================================== Pliz* indikez mea erori pri vorti, gramatiko, dicmaniero ec., nam me esas nura ne-edukito e devas lernar dum ke me vivas. Me sempre esperas, samideani, via amikeso por EXTRA prenar peno de via parto por instruktar me, qua durstas ye savo ulaspecala. Tamen en rara kazo kande me savas plu bone kam vi, me volunte transdonos mea humila savo a vi segun via bezoni. ============================================================================== From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 878 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 23846 invoked by uid 7770); 29 Jul 1999 05:03:43 -0000 Received: from qh.egroups.com (HELO qh.findmail.com) (10.1.2.28) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 29 Jul 1999 05:03:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 10705 invoked from network); 29 Jul 1999 05:03:42 -0000 Received: from out2.minitel.net (HELO gmailint2.globalmail.net) (193.252.91.11) by qh.egroups.com with SMTP; 29 Jul 1999 05:03:42 -0000 Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 07:03:40 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199907290503.HAA04732@gmailint2.globalmail.net> From: jeanmartignon@minitel.net (JEAN MARTIGNON) To: idolisto@egroups.com (IDOLISTO) MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] Expert-grupo Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Kara cibernauti, Ka vu konocas expert-grupo en Ido ? Pos plura yari de Idisteco me konocas nur nia linguala sekretario Robert Carnaghan qua esas experto pri nia linguo. Ube la experti kunvenus ? Ed ube trovar la pekunio por pagar lia voyajo e la spensi di lia kunveno ? Kun realista ciberspacala saluti. JM From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 879 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 29850 invoked by uid 7770); 29 Jul 1999 08:55:18 -0000 Received: from qh.egroups.com (HELO qh.findmail.com) (10.1.2.28) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 29 Jul 1999 08:55:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 22006 invoked from network); 29 Jul 1999 08:55:19 -0000 Received: from law-f79.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (209.185.131.142) by qh.egroups.com with SMTP; 29 Jul 1999 08:55:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 87359 invoked by uid 0); 29 Jul 1999 08:55:19 -0000 Message-ID: <19990729085519.87358.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 159.15.128.3 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 29 Jul 1999 01:55:18 PDT From: "James Chandler" To: idolisto@egroups.com Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 08:55:18 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] experto-grupo Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kar amiki Experto-grupo (akademio) ne bezonus kunvenar persone, li povus interkomunikar per posto, quale funcionis l'anciena akademio idista. Mem Esperanto netushebla havas akademio lingual. Existas plu kam un idisto kapabla partoprenar tala akademio. Sro C. es un tala experto, ma anke nia sro St., sri Neussner ed Anton, e sro M. ipsa certe posedas la necesa savo ed experienco. (Me anke audacas inkluzar me ipsa en ta grupo.) Kordiale, James Chandler idojc@hotmail.com http://yi.com/home/ChandlerJames http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Forum/5037 ______________________________________________________ From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 880 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 7040 invoked by uid 7770); 29 Jul 1999 09:08:37 -0000 Received: from qg.egroups.com (HELO qg.findmail.com) (10.1.2.27) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 29 Jul 1999 09:08:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 5149 invoked from network); 29 Jul 1999 09:08:37 -0000 Received: from law-f28.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (209.185.131.91) by qg.egroups.com with SMTP; 29 Jul 1999 09:08:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 6459 invoked by uid 0); 29 Jul 1999 09:02:11 -0000 Message-ID: <19990729090211.6458.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 159.15.128.3 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 29 Jul 1999 02:02:11 PDT From: "James Chandler" To: idolisto@egroups.com Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 09:02:11 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] opciono ? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kar amiki Ka radiko opcion- existas en Ido? Kordiale, James Chandler idojc@hotmail.com http://yi.com/home/ChandlerJames http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Forum/5037 ______________________________________________________ From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 881 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 18555 invoked by uid 7770); 29 Jul 1999 09:32:07 -0000 Received: from qg.egroups.com (HELO qg.findmail.com) (10.1.2.27) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 29 Jul 1999 09:32:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 8637 invoked from network); 29 Jul 1999 09:32:05 -0000 Received: from mout00.kundenserver.de (195.20.224.69) by qg.egroups.com with SMTP; 29 Jul 1999 09:32:05 -0000 Received: from [195.20.224.68] (helo=mx02.kundenserver.de) by mout00.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 119mXh-0004h5-00; Thu, 29 Jul 1999 11:32:01 +0200 Received: from [212.81.175.173] (helo=www) by mx02.kundenserver.de with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 119mXX-0008Le-00; Thu, 29 Jul 1999 11:31:51 +0200 Message-ID: <003a01bed9a5$075cb520$adaf51d4@fen.baynet.de> From: "Frank Kasper" To: "Manfred Magin" , "Idolisto (Mesaji)" Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 11:28:50 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Subject: [ido] Re: Mea departo/Nova telefonnumeri Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002A_01BED9B5.87E9B160" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ------=_NextPart_000_002A_01BED9B5.87E9BB160 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" content-transfer-encoding: 7bit content-type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Kara amiki! Me volas informar vi ke me departos de mea lojeyo pos du hori. Me iros per treno ad Anklam en Nord-Est-Germania por vizitar mea patro ibe. Me akne renkontros nia Idolistolani ed amiko e mea lora Ido-docero Eberhard Scholz. Pos un semano me iros ad Waldkappel por partoprenar ibe l'amikala Ido-renkontro. Me ya nun volas kurajigar vi sendar salutmesaji a la sequanta e-postala adreso: alfred.neussner@idolinguo.de La kunveno eventos vice la nihiligita konfero en Neviges dum la 07ma ed 08ma di agosto en la sideyo dil Germana Ido-Societo en Waldkappel. La renkontreyo esos ret-atingebla dum la renkontro, por ke me kunportos mea komputileto e ne desabonos su de Idolisto dum cafoye. Me anke dum mea absenteso de mea lojeyo preske omnadie regardos la diskuti en nia forumo. Fine me ankore volas informar vi relate chanji di mea telefona atingebleso: Por telefonar a me de vua od altra lando extere di Germania voluntez prenar la sequanta telefonnumero: 0049179-2922169 Por telefonar kun me de irga loko en Germania voluntez prenar la sequanta telefonnumero: 0911-9904930 Por sendar faxajo a me generale voluntez prenar la sequanta telefonnumero: 0049911-451051 (de Germania prenez 0911-451051) Me nun deziras agreabla tempo a vi omni! Kordiala saluti a vi omni sendas Frank Kasper frank.kasper@idolinguo.de ------=_NextPart_000_002A_01BED9B5.87E9BB160-- From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 882 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 19170 invoked by uid 7770); 29 Jul 1999 09:32:55 -0000 Received: from qg.egroups.com (HELO qg.findmail.com) (10.1.2.27) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 29 Jul 1999 09:32:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 8786 invoked from network); 29 Jul 1999 09:32:54 -0000 Received: from law-f138.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (209.185.131.201) by qg.egroups.com with SMTP; 29 Jul 1999 09:32:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 91035 invoked by uid 0); 29 Jul 1999 09:32:54 -0000 Message-ID: <19990729093254.91034.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 159.15.128.3 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 29 Jul 1999 02:32:52 PDT From: "James Chandler" To: idolisto@egroups.com Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 09:32:52 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] Fwd: Ido Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tom Wood skribis: >Me esayos respondar a vua tri kritiki. >1) dezinenci: Me povas nur repetar ke me ne volas abolisar la dezinenci. Me >nur volas havar plusa libereso. Me ne supozis ke vu volas abolisar la dezinenci. Me dicis ke on devas o konservar oli, o abolisar oli. Me kritikis vua propozo di mi-aboliso di la dezinenci. >2) eufonio: Me opinionas ke ico es afero di gusto. Me ne pensas ke on povas >argumentar pri gusto. Ne koncernas nur gusto, koncernas anke _facileso di pronunco_. Me kredas ke to sufrus se on darfus elizionar -o ultre -a. >3) konfuzeso: Komprenende, on retenas sat multa dezinenci por klareso. Ma ne omnu povus sempre certigar ke komprenebleso esus konservata. Vu pensas pri tre experiencoza uzanti, qui nur skribas la linguo. Mem la maxim experiencoza idisto povus erorar parolante la linguo, se lu probus elizionar tro multa dezinenci. Me havas quaresma kritiko: 4) Segun la propozo da sro W, on povus elizionar -o, ma ne -i di plurala subs-i. Do la praktiko esus ecepta. To ne importas che adj-i, nam li havas nur un formo. Quale sro W povas justifikar eliziono di -o, ma ne di -i? Me propozas ke ca ideo di sro W es motivizita da lua personal desprizo di la finala vokalo -o. To es afero di gusto, ed il havas nula lingual argumenti por sua propozo. Kordiale, James Chandler idojc@hotmail.com http://yi.com/home/ChandlerJames http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Forum/5037 ______________________________________________________ From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 883 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 4468 invoked by uid 7770); 29 Jul 1999 10:07:52 -0000 Received: from qg.egroups.com (HELO qg.findmail.com) (10.1.2.27) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 29 Jul 1999 10:07:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 14472 invoked from network); 29 Jul 1999 10:07:52 -0000 Received: from law-f66.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (209.185.131.129) by qg.egroups.com with SMTP; 29 Jul 1999 10:07:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 9095 invoked by uid 0); 29 Jul 1999 10:07:52 -0000 Message-ID: <19990729100752.9094.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 159.15.128.3 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 29 Jul 1999 03:07:52 PDT From: "James Chandler" To: idolisto@egroups.com Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 10:07:52 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] sro Takata ed Ido-Vivo Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kara sro Takata Me inquestos pri la situaciono* che sro Weston. Me sendos a vu, se necesa, mea duesma kopiuro di Ido-Vivo. Kordiale, James Chandler idojc@hotmail.com http://yi.com/home/ChandlerJames http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Forum/5037 ______________________________________________________ From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 884 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 27034 invoked by uid 7770); 29 Jul 1999 10:51:00 -0000 Received: from qh.egroups.com (HELO qh.findmail.com) (10.1.2.28) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 29 Jul 1999 10:51:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 7573 invoked from network); 29 Jul 1999 10:50:57 -0000 Received: from ncc3.infomail.es (HELO infomail.es) (194.224.53.142) by qh.egroups.com with SMTP; 29 Jul 1999 10:50:57 -0000 Received: from 206052.rad.bbv.es ([195.53.206.52]) by infomail.es (Tid InfoMail Exchanger v2.20) with SMTP id #933245375.121540001; Thu, 29 Jul 1999 12:49:35 +0200 From: xavo@bbvnet.com To: idolisto@egroups.com Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 10:51:33 GMT Message-ID: <37a00e70.843977@mail.infomail.es> References: <005001becee8$f3563400$d7188418@HansStuifbergen.a2000.nl> <379007a1.867998@mail.infomail.es> <01a701bed252$197e2040$3e14083d@kalocsay> <37946162.2844825@mail.infomail.es> <3795490A.727B@cantv.net> <379b93ad.7498296@mail.infomail.es> <000201bed7ac$b84c2fa0$e612083d@kalocsay> <379de5cf.8356067@mail.infomail.es> <000401bed93c$fbf11ae0$4a12083d@kalocsay> In-Reply-To: <000401bed93c$fbf11ae0$4a12083d@kalocsay> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.01/32.397 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Infomail-Id: 933245375.2F7A010A81106E.5896 Subject: [ido] Re: Nova kodexi Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Tem Wed, 28 Jul 1999 17:06:37 +1000, "Adrian Neilson Hall" skribis: Kar amiki >> domo" on parolas pri "la ago (o stando) di la= verbo nivar", quale >> Idala regulo definus ol? > >Yes. Vua esforco ne esi= s vane. Fine me vidas klare la difero. Vua konkreta exemplo dil nivo siglis= la afero por me. > >Evidente, en ta frazo "esas 10 cm di nivo sur la tekto= di mea >domo", on ne uzas nivo segun la principo de inversigebleso di Cout= urat. Ka segun vu, "nivajo" o "nivuro" esus apta en ta kuntexto? La dicion= ario di Dyer sugestas "nivuro". Erste me questionis me Pardonez mea inter= upto, ma kaptis mean atencon ta "me questionis me". Ne es ke me volas trova= r erori che vua parolo (me probable facas plu), ma nur komentar questioni i= nteresanta por omni. Probable la korekta formo esas "me questionis a me", m= a es evidenta forta tendenco di ni la parolanti por forigar ta "a" che simi= la frazi. Ka ni devus aceptar ta uzo ne-prepozicionizata di la personala pr= onomi en nedirekta-objekto funciono jus pos la verbo? >ka niv-flokaro es = vere rezulto de la ago nivar (e do - "uro) o plu juste ulo solida qua rilat= as al ago (e do - ajo). Ma "nivuro" semblas racionoza a me nun. La blanka a= maso jacanta sur la trotuaro, adminime de certena vidpunto, rezultas de la = nivado dumnokta. Por me, lo plu logika esus ke "nivo" signifikus la blanka= substanco, nam ol semblas a me plu basika koncepto kam la ago. Ma to signi= fikus ke nivar esus "nivagar" o simile (pro la principo de reinversigebleso= ). [mentio] >> montras). E me ca-respekte pensas ke la teorio devus ref= lektar la >> reala uzo di la linguo da sua uzanti, od ni havos du Idi: la t= eoriala >> e la praktikala. > >Nu, forsan to quon vu nomizas "la reala uzo= " esas simple "nekorekta uzo" se ol departas de la principo di invesigebles= o. On povas argumentar ke "la pluvo humidigis la tuko" es nekorekta. Ma "l= a pluvo ne diminutis dum la tota nokto" es logikal. E quankam "dicar mentio= " es nekorekta, plu juste tautologio, "mentio" en expresuro tal qual "ilua = mentio men konsternis" ya sequas la teorio. La problemo esas ke la teorio = forcus nin uzar -aj- e -ur- oftege se ni volas esar semantike korekta, ma n= ulu facas to, e konseque nulu parolas korekta (segun teorio) Ido. Altra exe= mplo: ni normale dicus "il montris a me lua laboro", ma lo korekta esus "il= montris a me lua laborajo (o laboruro)". >> Se ca es la momento por apel= ar al eminenci, lasez a me nomar Otto >> Jespersen. Il ya observis ca probl= emi di la Idala deriv-sistemo ante >> plu kam 70 yari. Ed il ya esis lingui= sto profesione. > >Me savas ke Jespersen kritikis la Idal derivo-sistemo se= gun la praktiko, e propozis: pluve =3D la pluvajo (-uro), tu pluva =3D pluv= ar, pluvo =3D pluvo. Ma ka lu kritikis la sistemo Idal segun la logiko? Alt= ravorte, ka lu trovis trui en la argumento di Couturat? Me pensas ke lua k= ritiki esis plu pri la desfacileso di uzar Ido korekte segun la teorio. Il = exemple dicas (angle): "In writing Ido one is constantly confronted with th= e problem: am I here logical justified in using the immediate formation, or= should I use a suffix and which? Skribo, skriburo, skribajo; vundo, vundur= o; rezulto, rezultajo; impedo, impedivo, impedilo; edito, edituro, editado;= grupar, grupifar, grupigar, grupizar . . .; which is it to be? ". >> PS: = Formulizanto? Pro quo ne formulifanto o formulaganto? > >Nu, segun mea inte= lekto dil questiono, en kazi transitiva, "iz" es plu apta kam "if". La pomi= ero fruktifas. Me, altralatere, aquizas la gardeno. Couturat donis formo vo= rtal al koncepto de inversigebleso, e ta formo es formulo. Seque me konklud= is ke lu formulizis la koncepto. Ya, il "providis al koncepto de inversig= ebleso formulon". Vua rezono (e rezonajo/rezonuro) semblas justa a me, ma v= ere esus plu simpla povar derivar "formulis" vice "formulizis". Me savas, t= o irus kontre la principo de reinversigebleso. Ma surprizige, ta principo n= e esas necesa por la linguo esar logika. Esas regretinda ke Couturat ed alt= ri ne remarkis co kande li desegnis Ido. Saludos, Marcos From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 885 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 29383 invoked by uid 7770); 29 Jul 1999 14:27:38 -0000 Received: from qg.egroups.com (HELO qg.findmail.com) (10.1.2.27) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 29 Jul 1999 14:27:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 6906 invoked from network); 29 Jul 1999 14:27:38 -0000 Received: from lwaxana.cistron.net (195.64.68.26) by qg.egroups.com with SMTP; 29 Jul 1999 14:27:38 -0000 Received: from muso.musejo.nl (root@cs8p06.dial.cistron.nl [62.216.1.199]) by lwaxana.cistron.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA08313 for ; Thu, 29 Jul 1999 16:27:36 +0200 Received: (from joostje@localhost) by muso.musejo.nl (8.9.1a/8.9.1/Debian/GNU) id QAA03820; Thu, 29 Jul 1999 16:26:41 +0200 Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 16:26:41 +0200 From: joost witteveen To: idolisto@egroups.com Cc: joost witteveen Message-ID: <19990729162641.A3740@cistron.nl> References: <379A9B1D.5B2A@cantv.net> <012901bed702$977fe3c0$4910083d@kalocsay> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.6i In-Reply-To: <012901bed702$977fe3c0$4910083d@kalocsay>; from Adrian Neilson Hall on Mon, Jul 26, 1999 at 11:02:51AM +1000 Subject: [ido] Fashismi en Ido. (Esis: Idala hispana-lingua grupo) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Saluti a omni! Me til nun nultempe skribis a ca grupo, nam lore me ne parolis Ido. Tamen ante 4 dii mi komencis lernar Ido, e nun me ja povas (desfacile) lektar la mesaji en ca grupo. Me tre joyas! Tamen, ca mi en tote komrenis: > Ti mala esperantisti havas tala kursi, e (?)konkeras > tale la menti de la interesati por lia fashista grupo. Por kies grupo? Nam en Esperanto (yes es me fashisto) on ibe dicus `por _SIA_ fasxista grupo', nam `Ti mala esperantisti' es la subjekto. E me pensis ke en Ido on uzas `su' same quale `si' estas uzita en Esperanto? (Ultre, ka `konkeras' ne es Fashismo? Ol es Esperanta vorto, ma en la ido->esperanto vort-listo me nur trovas `konquestar' quale traduko de la Esperanta `Konkeri') Amike tilas vin: joosteto (mala esperantisto) From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 886 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 836 invoked by uid 7770); 29 Jul 1999 16:17:05 -0000 Received: from qh.egroups.com (HELO qh.findmail.com) (10.1.2.28) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 29 Jul 1999 16:17:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 18884 invoked from network); 29 Jul 1999 16:17:04 -0000 Received: from rs4s1.datacenter.cha.cantv.net (200.44.32.54) by qh.egroups.com with SMTP; 29 Jul 1999 16:17:04 -0000 Received: from LALEGReTT (tc3r7-042.ras.cha.cantv.net [200.44.13.41]) by rs4s1.datacenter.cha.cantv.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1/1.0) with SMTP id MAA18266 for ; Thu, 29 Jul 1999 12:17:01 -0400 (VET) Message-ID: <37A07CA5.6479@cantv.net> Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 12:09:09 -0400 From: Luis Alberto Alegrett Ruiz Organization: Asesor?a Fiduciaria Integral X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: idolisto@egroups.com References: <199907251811.UAA11512@gmailint2.globalmail.net> Subject: [ido] Re: Patuazi (*) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have never been disrespectful with Mr. Martignon in my language. That's either a lie, and I wouldn't like that, or just a misunderstanding of my Spanish. No matter that, I'm not willing to stand that kind of conduct, since that was how the Esperantists started their war against me. So, I'm leaving Ido. JEAN MARTIGNON wrote: > > Kara cibernauti, > > Me atencigas pri la fakto ke la uzado > de nacionala lingui en ica grupo ne > esas polita. Pluse se me ne esis > polita (en la Franca), ito fontas de > la fakto ke s-ro Allegret ne esis > polita a me (en la Hispana), me > komprenis malgre mea mala savo dil > Hispana patuazo (*) ke il esis tre > grosiera kontre me. Do, ankorefoye > esus plu saja ne permisar la uzado > di nacionala lingui same kam altra > interlingui. Tala konduto vice > destruktar la prejudiki kontre altra > populi (ito esas un ek la skopi di > interlinguo), povas havar la mala > efiko, to esas produktar des-simpatio > kontre la Hispane-parolanti. Ito esas > evitenda per la nura uzado di > komuna linguo. > > Se onu aceptas patuazi (*) lore me ne > intelektas pro quo onu ne aceptas la > altra interlingui qui adminime esas > komprenebla senpene da ni. Ne esas > sencoza aceptar hike la uzado de > idiomi qui ne esas komprenebla (o nur > desfacile) dal altra listani. > > Nun existas Francidol, ma ka la altra > listani aceptabus bone vasta > uzado di la Franca hike ? > > Me konjektas ke la Hispane-parolanti > qui esas tre fiera ne esabus kontenta, > e li esabus justa. Do, anke li devas > komprenar ke to quon li ne aceptus > (yuste) dal altri, anke ne povas > aceptesar da li. > > Kun Idala ciberspacala saluti. > > JM > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Accurate impartial advice on everything from laptops to tablesaws. > http://clickhere.egroups.com/click/552 > > eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto > http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 887 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@eGroups.com Received: (qmail 24223 invoked by uid 7770); 29 Jul 1999 17:13:01 -0000 Received: from qh.egroups.com (HELO qh.findmail.com) (10.1.2.28) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 29 Jul 1999 17:13:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 1864 invoked from network); 29 Jul 1999 17:13:01 -0000 Received: from mu.egroups.com (207.138.41.151) by qh.egroups.com with SMTP; 29 Jul 1999 17:13:01 -0000 Received: from [10.1.2.26] by mu.egroups.com with NNFMP; 29 Jul 1999 18:12:55 -0000 Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 10:12:45 -0700 From: lnglvches@hotmail.com To: idolisto@eGroups.com Message-ID: <7nq22d$hlpa@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <199907251013.MAA04614@gmailint2.globalmail.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.76 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: www.eGroups.com Message Poster Subject: [ido] Re: Mesajo Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Qu'est-ce qu'il y a? <199907251013.maa0461-@gmailint2.globalmail.net> wro= te: original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto/?start=3D813 > K= ara cibernauti, > > Les hispanophones ont vraiment du > culot, ils continue= nt de coloniser > Idolisto. Que s-ro Allegret aille > au diable ! Vraiment= ? > Nous pouvons nous passer > de tels Idistes qui ne font rien > pour not= re idiome.. C'est tr=E8s mal! Arr=EAtez ici. Ne vous inqui=E9tez pas! Voi= ci, ceci est pour vous: unsubscribe lalegrett@cantv.net unsubscribe lnglvc= hes@hotmail.com > L'espagnol est une belle langue, ils > n'ont qu'a en fai= re la promotion ! > > Saluti. Parton! Avec mes meilleures amiti=E9s, De= niaux Gai, toujours gai. (Alegrett =3D Apellido Catal=E1n del Rosell=F3n!)= From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 888 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 6464 invoked by uid 7770); 29 Jul 1999 18:15:33 -0000 Received: from qh.egroups.com (HELO qh.findmail.com) (10.1.2.28) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 29 Jul 1999 18:15:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 14172 invoked from network); 29 Jul 1999 17:52:10 -0000 Received: from out2.minitel.net (HELO gmailint2.globalmail.net) (193.252.91.11) by qh.egroups.com with SMTP; 29 Jul 1999 17:52:10 -0000 Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 19:52:08 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199907291752.TAA19956@gmailint2.globalmail.net> From: jeanmartignon@minitel.net (JEAN MARTIGNON) To: idolisto@egroups.com (IDOLISTO) MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] Diversaji Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Kara cibernauti, La radiko opciono ne existas en Ido, vicee onu povas uzar selektebleso o selekto-posibleso. Ma ito esas radiko (opciono od opsiono) tre uzata nunatempe en la latinida lingui. Koncerne la experti, me duras asertar ke ecepte Robert Carnaghan ne esas vera experto pri nia linguo. La altra Idisti inkluzite s-ri Anton, Neu�ner e me ipsa havas bona linguala nivelo, ma ne esas experti. Li indijas la linguala e linguistika savo. Cetere mem se "Akademio" od "experto- grupo" funcionus segun la maniero deskriptita da nia samideano, la problemo esas : ube trovar la pekunio por imprimigar la libri qui efektigus la decidi dil "experti" ? Ultre to me atencigas pri la fakto ke generale la akademii havas tre poka autoritato, nek la Franca, nek la Esperanta Akademii esas obediata dil uzanti di ca lingui. Esus mea-opinione plu bona cerebragar pri la moyeni furnisar solida komercala bazo por nia linguo. Se ito ne esas posibla, lore esus plu bona renuncar. Tristege e ne-akademiale vin salutas jeanmartignon@minitel.net From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 889 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 10864 invoked by uid 7770); 29 Jul 1999 18:21:01 -0000 Received: from qh.egroups.com (HELO qh.findmail.com) (10.1.2.28) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 29 Jul 1999 18:21:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 17971 invoked from network); 29 Jul 1999 18:06:28 -0000 Received: from spartacus.a2000.nl (HELO smtp2.a2000.nl) (62.108.1.20) by qh.egroups.com with SMTP; 29 Jul 1999 18:06:28 -0000 Received: from node118d7.a2000.nl ([24.132.24.215] helo=HansStuifbergen) by smtp2.a2000.nl with smtp (Exim 2.02 #4) id 119uZW-0003NX-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Thu, 29 Jul 1999 20:06:26 +0200 Message-ID: <006101bed9ee$42772160$d7188418@HansStuifbergen.a2000.nl> From: "Ido-Info" To: "idolisto" Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 20:14:54 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Subject: [ido] enemiki Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Holala, Enemikeso en la Linguo dil Amikeso! Se me kontus l' enemiki quin me havas, lore me plu bone konceptus linguo nur por me ipsa, tale ke me ne povus esar insultata ed ofensata. Ma no, me ne lasas irga persono havar tala potenteso pri me, chasar me for de Idolinguo. Ido tre plezas a me, pro quo me lasus chasar me for pro remarki da un persono, remarki da UN persono! Es tanta homi sur la mondo, on mustas esar kelke rezistema kontre remarki e kritiko. Bona kritiki on profitos, mala kritiki on sive ignorez sive, se valoras la peno, refutez. Estimata Daniel, me esperas ke tu rikonsiderez tua decido, se tu restas che la sam opiniono, la decido livar Ido, me lo tre regretas, ma tamen deziras a tu bona sercho a grupo a qua tu deziras apartenar. Me deziras a vu multa feliceso. Saluti amikala, Hans St. ************************************************************* - Ido, linguo internaciona, absolute vizitez: http://members.tripod.com/~avancigado - nove: LA HERISONI, rakonteto desegnita, da Rymke, 56 pag. Fl. 2,50 / Euri 1,40 / 2 Int. Kuponi di Resp. / "...tre charmiva..." (T. Carlevaro) (anke videz: http://www.angelfire.com/id/Avance/TiaListo1.html) ************************************************************* From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 890 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 26421 invoked by uid 7770); 29 Jul 1999 18:45:40 -0000 Received: from qg.egroups.com (HELO qg.findmail.com) (10.1.2.27) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 29 Jul 1999 18:45:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 17049 invoked from network); 29 Jul 1999 18:45:41 -0000 Received: from spartacus.a2000.nl (HELO smtp2.a2000.nl) (62.108.1.20) by qg.egroups.com with SMTP; 29 Jul 1999 18:45:41 -0000 Received: from node118d7.a2000.nl ([24.132.24.215] helo=HansStuifbergen) by smtp2.a2000.nl with smtp (Exim 2.02 #4) id 119vBU-0005OS-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Thu, 29 Jul 1999 20:45:40 +0200 Message-ID: <006601bed9f3$bd212960$d7188418@HansStuifbergen.a2000.nl> From: "Ido-Info" To: Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 20:54:08 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Subject: [ido] Re: Fashismi en Ido. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kar amiki e kar amiko Joost, saluto! Vu skribis: >Me tre joyas! Anke ni, tam plusa anmi, tam plusa joyo. Esez bon-venanta che Idolisto. >Por kies grupo? Nam en Esperanto (yes es me fashisto) on >ibe dicus `por _SIA_ fasxista grupo', nam `Ti mala esperantisti' es >la subjekto. E me pensis ke en Ido on uzas `su' same quale `si' >estas uzita en Esperanto? Ve, me sincere esperas ke vu jokas pri vua supozata 'fashisteso'. Fashisti(n) me ne prizis, expresante me milde. Anke ne fals akuzi ed esperas ke restos for la stupida titulachizo inter l' adheranti di diferanta lingui. Me anke ne kredas ye 'mala Esperanto', ya ye 'mala Esperantisti', ma altralatere, anke existas 'mala Idisti'. Ma quale dicite, suficas la titulachizo! "Kies" = esperantajo, en Ido on dicas "di qua", "ties" = di ta. Anke tre Ido es la listo de pronomi e la pronomo reflexiva 'su', yen quale ol es aplikita en Ido: 1. me > me 2. tu > tu 2. vu > vu 3. il(u) > su 3. el(u) > su 3. ol(u) > su 3. lu (il-el-ol) > su 1. ni > ni 2. vi > vi 3. li (eli-ili-oli) > su Me kredas ke la pronomo reflexiva di Esperanto es fondita ye la lingui Slava, ube on uzas 'su' o 'si' por singla pronomo. (Zmicier, pardonez me se me eroras, ka me es justa?) >(Ultre, ka `konkeras' ne es Fashismo? Ol es Esperanta vorto, >ma en la ido->esperanto vort-listo me nur trovas `konquestar' >quale traduko de la Esperanta `Konkeri') Yes, vu es justa, "konkeras" es Esperantajo e l' equivalanto es 'konquestar', quale vu juste konstatis. Ho, lasta remarketo (altri: ne ofensesez, hike me explikos en la Nederlandana): quale = zoals quala = zulks, zo'n, welk een kom = als (in hoedanigheid van) bijvoorbeeld: - als president zeg ik (in hoedanigheid van president) = kom prezidanto me dicas - eruit zien als president = aspektar quale prezidanto - quale me prezidanto me dicas = (zo)als een president zeg ik - kom prezidanto me dicas = als president (zijnde) zeg ik quale traduko de la Esperanta "konkeri" = zoals een vertaling ... kom traduko de la Esperanta "konkeri" = als een vertaling van ... quale = gelijkenis kom = zijnde, hoedanigheid Bone, me esperas ne esir tediva explikante ca detali. Saluti amikala, Hans St. ************************************************************* - Ido, linguo internaciona, absolute vizitez: http://members.tripod.com/~avancigado - nove: LA HERISONI, rakonteto desegnita, da Rymke, 56 pag. Fl. 2,50 / Euri 1,40 / 2 Int. Kuponi di Resp. / "...tre charmiva..." (T. Carlevaro) (anke videz: http://www.angelfire.com/id/Avance/TiaListo1.html) ************************************************************* From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 891 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 820 invoked by uid 7770); 29 Jul 1999 18:59:24 -0000 Received: from qg.egroups.com (HELO qg.findmail.com) (10.1.2.27) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 29 Jul 1999 18:59:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 20056 invoked from network); 29 Jul 1999 18:59:22 -0000 Received: from out2.minitel.net (HELO gmailint2.globalmail.net) (193.252.91.11) by qg.egroups.com with SMTP; 29 Jul 1999 18:59:22 -0000 Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 20:59:21 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199907291859.UAA11534@gmailint2.globalmail.net> From: jeanmartignon@minitel.net (JEAN MARTIGNON) To: idolisto@egroups.com (IDOLISTO) MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] . Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit unsuscribe idolisto From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 892 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com X-Duplicate: Duplicate(2)--1364541074 Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 28706 invoked by uid 7770); 29 Jul 1999 18:49:16 -0000 Received: from qh.egroups.com (HELO qh.findmail.com) (10.1.2.28) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 29 Jul 1999 18:49:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 29153 invoked from network); 29 Jul 1999 18:49:16 -0000 Received: from out2.minitel.net (HELO gmailint2.globalmail.net) (193.252.91.11) by qh.egroups.com with SMTP; 29 Jul 1999 18:49:16 -0000 Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 20:49:14 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199907291849.UAA08563@gmailint2.globalmail.net> From: jeanmartignon@minitel.net (JEAN MARTIGNON) To: idolisto@egroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] Diversaji Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Kara cibernauti, La radiko opciono ne existas en Ido, vicee onu povas uzar selektebleso o selekto-posibleso. Ma ito esas radiko (opciono od opsiono) tre uzata nunatempe en la latinida lingui. Koncerne la experti, me duras asertar ke ecepte Robert Carnaghan ne esas vera experto pri nia linguo. La altra Idisti inkluzite s-ri Anton, Neu�ner e me ipsa havas bona linguala nivelo, ma ne esas experti. Li indijas la linguala e linguistika savo. Cetere mem se "Akademio" od "experto- grupo" funcionus segun la maniero deskriptita da nia samideano, la problemo esas : ube trovar la pekunio por imprimigar la libri qui efektigus la decidi dil "experti" ? Ultre to me atencigas pri la fakto ke generale la akademii havas tre poka autoritato, nek la Franca, nek la Esperanta Akademii esas obediata dil uzanti di ca lingui. Esus mea-opinione plu bona cerebragar pri la moyeni furnisar solida komercala bazo por nia linguo. Se ito ne esas posibla, lore esus plu bona renuncar. Tristege e ne-akademiale vin salutas jeanmartignon@minitel.net From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 893 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 2394 invoked by uid 7770); 29 Jul 1999 19:02:22 -0000 Received: from qh.egroups.com (HELO qh.findmail.com) (10.1.2.28) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 29 Jul 1999 19:02:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 31757 invoked from network); 29 Jul 1999 19:02:21 -0000 Received: from wya-lfd70.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (207.82.252.134) by qh.egroups.com with SMTP; 29 Jul 1999 19:02:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 28096 invoked by uid 0); 29 Jul 1999 19:02:21 -0000 Message-ID: <19990729190221.28095.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 207.61.72.2 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 29 Jul 1999 12:02:21 PDT From: "Martin L." To: idolisto@egroups.com Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 15:02:21 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] Krizi e vinki Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kar amiki, Me bone savis ke, kreskante, idolisto havos multa problemi. Ico esas normala kozo, e konocata da omna movadi. Me pregas omnu konsiderar ke la skopo di idolisto esas solvar la lingual problemo. Ya chikani eventos; ni ne esas buddhismani tote desligita del mondo nek perfektozo. >No matter that, I'm not willing to stand that kind of conduct, since >that was how the Esperantists started their war against me. Me tote komprenas vu. Me absolute ne dezirus esar viktimo de milito. Ma me probis facar paco kun la esperantisti, senutile. Adminime, me pregas vu, ka esus posibla facar paco kun la idisto qua vundis vu? Idisti ne volas militar kontre vu, me esas certa pri ico! Maxim amike vun salutas Martin Bahaano ______________________________________________________ From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 894 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 20949 invoked by uid 7770); 29 Jul 1999 22:17:01 -0000 Received: from qg.egroups.com (HELO qg.findmail.com) (10.1.2.27) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 29 Jul 1999 22:17:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 1700 invoked from network); 29 Jul 1999 22:17:01 -0000 Received: from spartacus.a2000.nl (HELO smtp2.a2000.nl) (62.108.1.20) by qg.egroups.com with SMTP; 29 Jul 1999 22:17:01 -0000 Received: from node118d7.a2000.nl ([24.132.24.215] helo=HansStuifbergen) by smtp2.a2000.nl with smtp (Exim 2.02 #4) id 119yU0-0000FF-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Fri, 30 Jul 1999 00:17:00 +0200 Message-ID: <00bb01beda11$43d0a900$d7188418@HansStuifbergen.a2000.nl> From: "Ido-Info" To: "idolisto" Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 00:25:29 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Subject: [ido] desabonar Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ti qui deziras desabonar Idolisto, sendez absolute VAKUA mesajo, (to es, anke sen temo) ad: idolisto-unsubscribe@egroups.com Se on vakancas e ne deziras ne recevar mesaji, existas posibleso restas membro sen recevar la mesaji. Se on havas aceso al interreto, on irez a la pagino di eGroups: http://www.egroups.com/ Ibe on chanjas la modo por recevar mesaji. Por exemplo, es posibla esar membro sen recevar mesaji, ma nur de tempo a tempo spektar la mesaji che la retala pagini di eGroups. Ti qui ne havas aceso al interreto e tamen deziras restar membro sen recevar mesaji, simple sendez vua prego a me e me aranjos ta prego. Do, por klareso, me l' administrero, ne es kapabla desabonar membri. On ipsa to facez per la maniero deskriptita supre. Agreabla vakanci e til rivido, Saluti amikala, Hans St. ************************************************************* - Ido, linguo internaciona, absolute vizitez: http://members.tripod.com/~avancigado - nove: LA HERISONI, rakonteto desegnita, da Rymke, 56 pag. Fl. 2,50 / Euri 1,40 / 2 Int. Kuponi di Resp. / "...tre charmiva..." (T. Carlevaro) (anke videz: http://www.angelfire.com/id/Avance/TiaListo1.html) ************************************************************* From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 895 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 6488 invoked by uid 7770); 30 Jul 1999 01:20:30 -0000 Received: from qg.egroups.com (HELO qg.findmail.com) (10.1.2.27) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 30 Jul 1999 01:20:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 9226 invoked from network); 30 Jul 1999 01:20:29 -0000 Received: from vasquez.zip.com.au (203.12.97.41) by qg.egroups.com with SMTP; 30 Jul 1999 01:20:29 -0000 Received: from kalocsay (barbrady12.zip.com.au [61.8.20.12]) by vasquez.zip.com.au (8.9.2/8.9.1) with SMTP id LAA26012 for ; Fri, 30 Jul 1999 11:12:17 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <00b401beda29$81920fa0$0c14083d@kalocsay> From: "Adrian Neilson Hall" To: References: <199907291752.TAA19956@gmailint2.globalmail.net> Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 11:18:58 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Subject: [ido] Re: Diversaji Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Kara cibernauti, Jean skribis: > Cetere mem se "Akademio" od "experto- >= grupo" funcionus segun la maniero > deskriptita da nia samideano, la > pro= blemo esas : ube trovar la pekunio > por imprimigar la libri qui > efektigu= s la decidi dil "experti" ? Pro quo libri? Ni havas la reto e olua gratuit= a paginari. Forsan ni povus remplacar la vorto "experto" per "konsilero" = > Ultre to me atencigas pri la fakto ke > generale la akademii havas tre po= ka > autoritato, nek la Franca, nek la > Esperanta Akademii esas obediata d= il > uzanti di ca lingui. Ta akademii es util, mem se on ne obedias lin se= mpre. Me bonvenigus via konsili lingual se tal grupo existus por Ido. > E= sus mea-opinione plu bona cerebragar > pri la moyeni furnisar solida > kome= rcala bazo por nia linguo. Se > ito ne esas posibla, lore esus plu > bona r= enuncar. Komercala bazo? Por libri e revui? O kunveni? Ni povas publikigar= e mem kunvenar en la reto se pekunio indijas. Optimisme Adrian From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 896 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 7929 invoked by uid 7770); 30 Jul 1999 00:44:42 -0000 Received: from qg.egroups.com (HELO qg.findmail.com) (10.1.2.27) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 30 Jul 1999 00:44:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 714 invoked from network); 30 Jul 1999 00:44:39 -0000 Received: from vasquez.zip.com.au (203.12.97.41) by qg.egroups.com with SMTP; 30 Jul 1999 00:44:39 -0000 Received: from kalocsay (barbrady12.zip.com.au [61.8.20.12]) by vasquez.zip.com.au (8.9.2/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA23329 for ; Fri, 30 Jul 1999 10:36:29 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <007601beda24$81696b40$0c14083d@kalocsay> From: "Adrian Neilson Hall" To: References: <005001becee8$f3563400$d7188418@HansStuifbergen.a2000.nl> <379007a1.867998@mail.infomail.es> <01a701bed252$197e2040$3e14083d@kalocsay> <37946162.2844825@mail.infomail.es> <3795490A.727B@cantv.net> <379b93ad.7498296@mail.infomail.es> <000201bed7ac$b84c2fa0$e612083d@kalocsay> <379de5cf.8356067@mail.infomail.es> <000401bed93c$fbf11ae0$4a12083d@kalocsay> <37a00e70.843977@mail.infomail.es> Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 10:43:10 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Subject: [ido] Re: Nova kodexi Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Kordial saluti ad omni Quala bel jorno hike en Sydney (pos du semani di pl= uvo) Marcos skribis: > ... kaptis mean atencon ta "me questionis me". > N= e es ke me volas trovar erori che vua parolo (me probable facas plu), > ma = nur komentar questioni interesanta por omni. Probable la korekta > formo es= as "me questionis a me", ma es evidenta forta tendenco di ni > la parolanti= por forigar ta "a" che simila frazi. Ka ni devus aceptar > ta uzo ne-prepo= zicionizata di la personala pronomi en > nedirekta-objekto funciono jus pos= la verbo? Juste. Me dankas pro la atencigo. To rezultas de mea kustumo es= perantal skribar "mi demandas min". Evidente, en Ido, sen akuzativo obligat= a, oportas la prepoziciono. > Por me, lo plu logika esus ke "nivo" sign= ifikus la blanka substanco, > nam ol semblas a me plu basika [ > bazala] ko= ncepto kam la ago. Ma to >signifikus > ke nivar esus "nivagar" o simile (pr= o la principo de > reinversigebleso). Nu, segun la dicionarii e la trad= iciono, "niv-" es radiko baze verbal. Me es kontenta pri to. Or e future me= uzos "nivo" por la ago e "nivuro" por la blanka substanco quan me rare vid= as sur la sulo montal. > La problemo esas ke la teorio forcus nin uzar -aj= - e -ur- oftege se ni > volas esar semantike korekta, ma nulu facas to, e k= onseque nulu > parolas korekta (segun teorio) Ido. Altra exemplo: ni normal= e dicus > "il montris a me lua laboro", ma lo korekta esus "il montris a me= lua > laborajo (o laboruro)". Nulu? James jus skribis "kopiuro". Me vidis= "-aj" e aparte "-ur" en Ido suficante ofte. > Me pensas ke lua kritiki [= de Jespersen] esis plu pri la desfacileso di uzar Ido > korekte segun la te= orio. Il exemple dicas (angle): "In writing Ido one > is constantly confron= ted with the problem: am I here logical justified > in using the immediate = formation, or should I use a suffix and which? > Skribo, skriburo, skribajo= ; vundo, vunduro; rezulto, rezultajo; > impedo, impedivo, impedilo; edito, = edituro, editado; grupar, grupifar, > grupigar, grupizar . . .; which is it= to be? ". Ja existas por kelka uzanti desfacileso en la uzo di certena su= fixi. Ma pos kelka praktiko on kustumeskas. Me povas quik vidar exemple la= justa kuntexto por "vunduro" (forsan pro nia diskuto). Cetere, en multa ka= zi es elekteblesi. To ne es necese mal kozo. > ... Vua rezono > (e rezonaj= o/rezonuro) semblas justa a me, ma vere esus plu simpla > povar derivar "fo= rmulis" vice "formulizis". Me savas, to irus kontre > la principo de reinve= rsigebleso. Ma surprizige, ta principo ne esas > necesa por la linguo esar = logika. Esas regretinda ke Couturat ed altri > ne remarkis co kande li dese= gnis Ido. Pri to me ne povas konsentar. Por ke la linguo esez logikal, opo= rtas la principo de inversigebleso, adminime segun mea aktual vidpunto. Vu = mustos elaborar por konvinkar me ad altra opiniono. La sistemo de Novial ex= emple, quankam praktikal ed util, ne es logikal. Korektigez me se me eroras= , ma la sistemo "pluve, tu pluva, pluvo" ne es extensebla ad omna verbo, e = en adminime kelka kazi on mustas antee konocar un o du westeuropean lingui = por aplikar la sistemo juste. Amike Adrian From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 897 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 15350 invoked by uid 7770); 30 Jul 1999 06:46:39 -0000 Received: from qg.egroups.com (HELO qg.findmail.com) (10.1.2.27) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 30 Jul 1999 06:46:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 9469 invoked from network); 30 Jul 1999 06:46:38 -0000 Received: from mga2.primo.co.jp (210.145.40.130) by qg.egroups.com with SMTP; 30 Jul 1999 06:46:38 -0000 Received: from mga2.primo.co.jp (unverified [210.145.40.140]) by mga2.primo.co.jp (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Fri, 30 Jul 1999 15:49:49 +0900 Message-ID: <000901beda56$45709000$822891d2@primo.co.jp> From: "Bebson Y. TAKATA" To: "IDOLISTO" , , References: Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 15:33:31 +0900 Organization: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Subject: [ido] Pro quo? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-2022-jp" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kara Sri Cibernauti:#1 Generalajo #2 Linguo #3 Politiko #4 Religio ============================================================================== Kara Sro Daniel ALEGRETT:#1 Catalunya conegue' llavors hores crucials. ============================================================================== Pro ke me profunde kredas ye la perfekta superioreso di Ido super multa lingui: l'Angla, la Franca, la Hispana...la Yida, Ivrit, ... Esperanto, Novial etc., a me ne importas ka onu hike parolas "irga" lingui, mem Esperanto e Novial. Se omna Kataluniani facus quale Sro Daniel ALEGRETT, la Kataluniana ja mortus. Ka me vendos taso de mea hucpo*, por ke vu povez argumentar kontre la Franco? Me dicas a vu 'D'eu vos guard' o me forsan devus dicar 'I potser fins aviat'. ============================================================================== Kara Sro Jean MARTIGNON:#1 Ma vu esis tro hucpoza*. Y(^_^;;;) ============================================================================== Olim Sro Gonc,alo NEVES iracis de la uzo di la Franca linguo hike che IDOLISTO. Nun vu iracas de la uzo di la Hispana ma qua problemo existas che ni? Ka forsan vu kredas ke Ido esas tale febla apud kelka granda lingui? Ni vartez e videz ke Ido certe glutos omna patuazi* mem che ni en IDOLISTO. Me tre hucpoze* dicas ke anke vu, quale me, devas lernar quale uzar vua hucpo*. ============================================================================== Estimata Ma(e)stro Sro Robert B. CARNAGHAN:#1 Ka vu ankore sidas ibe che ni? ============================================================================== Ka vu ne povus pregar permiso de Sro Niklas ApGawain ke ni povez uzar lua libro kom la bazon por la futurala lernolibri en diversa lingui? ============================================================================== Kara Sro Adrian Neilson HALL:#1 Ube vu lernis vua bona Ido? ============================================================================== Forsan vu povus facar la finala formo di IFA nek Britaniana nek USAana ma vere por omna Angle-parolanti. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Adio! .....sincere via, B.Y.T. .....Idisto ed Idiotisto pro mea limitizita edukado ed anke Ido-Kavaliero e shinko-aktoro di Teatro FilozofiACHala ============================================================================== Pliz* indikez mea erori pri vorti, gramatiko, dicmaniero ec., nam me esas nura ne-edukito e devas lernar dum ke me vivas. Me sempre esperas, samideani, via amikeso por EXTRA prenar peno de via parto por instruktar me, qua durstas ye savo ulaspecala. Tamen en rara kazo kande me savas plu bone kam vi, me volunte transdonos mea humila savo a vi segun via bezoni. ============================================================================== From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 898 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 15914 invoked by uid 7770); 30 Jul 1999 13:35:50 -0000 Received: from qg.egroups.com (HELO qg.findmail.com) (10.1.2.27) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 30 Jul 1999 13:35:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 16702 invoked from network); 30 Jul 1999 13:35:48 -0000 Received: from lwaxana.cistron.net (195.64.68.26) by qg.egroups.com with SMTP; 30 Jul 1999 13:35:48 -0000 Received: from muso.musejo.nl (root@cs7p38.dial.cistron.nl [62.216.0.167]) by lwaxana.cistron.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA20922 for ; Fri, 30 Jul 1999 15:35:42 +0200 Received: (from joostje@localhost) by muso.musejo.nl (8.9.1a/8.9.1/Debian/GNU) id PAA09266 for idolisto@egroups.com; Fri, 30 Jul 1999 15:21:31 +0200 Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 15:21:31 +0200 From: joost witteveen To: idolisto@egroups.com Message-ID: <19990730152131.B9144@cistron.nl> References: <006601bed9f3$bd212960$d7188418@HansStuifbergen.a2000.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.6i In-Reply-To: <006601bed9f3$bd212960$d7188418@HansStuifbergen.a2000.nl>; from Ido-Info on Thu, Jul 29, 1999 at 08:54:08PM +0200 Subject: [ido] Re: Fashismi en Ido. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Je 1999/07/29(4)/20:07, Ido-Info montris sian geniecon skribante: > >Por kies grupo? Nam en Esperanto (yes es me fashisto) on > >ibe dicus `por _SIA_ fasxista grupo', nam `Ti mala esperantisti' es > >la subjekto. E me pensis ke en Ido on uzas `su' same quale `si' > >estas uzita en Esperanto? > > Ve, me sincere esperas ke vu jokas pri vua supozata 'fashisteso'. Nu, la antea skribanto skribis pri `la fashista Esperantisti'. E se Esperantisti es Fashisti, lore es mi Fashisto. Ma nur pro ito. > titulachizo! ka to signifikas `uitschelden'? > "Kies" = esperantajo, en Ido on dicas "di qua", "ties" = di ta. Anke tre Ido > es la listo de pronomi e la pronomo reflexiva 'su', yen quale ol es aplikita > en Ido: > 1. me > me > 2. tu > tu > 2. vu > vu > 3. il(u) > su > 3. el(u) > su > 3. ol(u) > su > 3. lu (il-el-ol) > su > > 1. ni > ni > 2. vi > vi > 3. li (eli-ili-oli) > su > > Me kredas ke la pronomo reflexiva di Esperanto es fondita ye la lingui > Slava, ube on uzas 'su' o 'si' por singla pronomo. (Zmicier, pardonez me se > me eroras, ka me es justa?) Me ne certas ka me vu bone komrenas. En Esperanto on diras Mi lavas min Vi lavas vin Li lavas sin Sxi lavas sin Ili Lavas sin semblas a me ke en Ido ito es sama, o ka ne? > Ho, lasta remarketo (altri: ne ofensesez, hike me explikos en la > Nederlandana): Terora! La Nederlanda es multe plu granda konkurento de Ido ol Esperanto es! E se kelki listani mem pensas ke Esperantisti es mali, quo pri Nederlandani? > quale = zoals > quala = zulks, zo'n, welk een > kom = als (in hoedanigheid van) > bijvoorbeeld: > - als president zeg ik (in hoedanigheid van president) = kom prezidanto me > dicas > - eruit zien als president = aspektar quale prezidanto > - quale me prezidanto me dicas = (zo)als een president zeg ik Do, ne-prezidanto povas dici `quale me prezidanto me dicas', ma ne `kom prezidanto me dicas'. > quale traduko de la Esperanta "konkeri" = zoals een vertaling ... > kom traduko de la Esperanta "konkeri" = als een vertaling van ... O: Quale esperantisto me desfacile povas dicerni inter `kom e quale/quala', ma kom idolist-ano me devas lernar ol? > quale = gelijkenis > kom = zijnde, hoedanigheid > > Bone, me esperas ne esir tediva explikante ca detali. Ne, tote ne. Probebla me pose plu ofte eroros, ma ne hezitez korekti me lore! -- joostje From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 899 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 14493 invoked by uid 7770); 30 Jul 1999 18:49:22 -0000 Received: from qh.egroups.com (HELO qh.findmail.com) (10.1.2.28) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 30 Jul 1999 18:49:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 10305 invoked from network); 30 Jul 1999 18:49:15 -0000 Received: from out2.minitel.net (HELO gmailint2.globalmail.net) (193.252.91.11) by qh.egroups.com with SMTP; 30 Jul 1999 18:49:15 -0000 Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 20:49:13 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199907301849.UAA01352@gmailint2.globalmail.net> From: jeanmartignon@minitel.net (JEAN MARTIGNON) To: idolisto@egroups.com (IDOLISTO) MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] Diversaji ed expliki Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Kara cibernauti, . ....................................... ....................................... ... Estimata s-ro Neilson Hall Se Ido devus praktikesar nur che l'inter-reto, me preferus renuncar pri ol... :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Mala Esperantisti esas la Espisti qui savas nur male lia linguo. Ti qui havas mala intenci kontre altra homi esas maligna Esperantisti. Koncerne la mala Idisti advere esas sat multa mala Idisti hike. E yen la kerno dil problemo, quankam la homi ne lernas suficante serioze la linguo, li volas diskutar sencese pri la linguo e reformar ed "ameliorar" ol. Apene esas mesaji pri kulturo, sporto o vera altra interesaji. Me odiegas la bizantini e la "reformeri" e la vorto esas febla. Me deziras linguo stabila por kambiar idei ed interesiva informi, ne por lektar stultaji. Me intelektas ke me ne havas mea plaso che Idolisto. La longa mesajo en la Hispana da s-ro Allegret esis "la goutte d'eau qui fait deborder le vase" (t.e la mikra incidento qua relatas nedirete kun la afero ma qua eruptigas la krizo). Me ne savis ke onu povas krear altra grupi. Me intencas havar mea propra grupo stabilista ube onu parolus en la linguo e ne pri la linguo. Me departos vakance ye la 7ma agosto e retrovenos ye la 22ma agosto. Do, me probos stacigar grupo stabilista. Se, ecepte me, esas nula stabilisto, lore me livos la movado e sive retroiros ad Esperanto sive transiros ad Interlingua. Tamen grupo de quar o kin personi esus ja suceso. Omnakaze, me ferme intencas ye la monato-fino abandonar l'Idolisto, tale me evitos motivo de iraco. Esperante ke la stabilismo sucesos difuzigar uladie l'Idolinguo. Ciberspacala saluti. JM From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 900 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 30806 invoked by uid 7770); 30 Jul 1999 20:16:03 -0000 Received: from qg.egroups.com (HELO qg.findmail.com) (10.1.2.27) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 30 Jul 1999 20:16:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 27437 invoked from network); 30 Jul 1999 20:16:04 -0000 Received: from lwaxana.cistron.net (195.64.68.26) by qg.egroups.com with SMTP; 30 Jul 1999 20:16:04 -0000 Received: from muso.musejo.nl (root@cs9p34.dial.cistron.nl [62.216.2.35]) by lwaxana.cistron.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id WAA31628 for ; Fri, 30 Jul 1999 22:16:01 +0200 Received: (from joostje@localhost) by muso.musejo.nl (8.9.1a/8.9.1/Debian/GNU) id VAA01389; Fri, 30 Jul 1999 21:59:40 +0200 Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 21:59:40 +0200 From: joost witteveen To: idolisto@egroups.com Cc: joost witteveen Message-ID: <19990730215939.A1370@cistron.nl> References: <199907301849.UAA01352@gmailint2.globalmail.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.6i In-Reply-To: <199907301849.UAA01352@gmailint2.globalmail.net>; from JEAN MARTIGNON on Fri, Jul 30, 1999 at 08:49:13PM +0200 Subject: [ido] Re: Diversaji ed expliki Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Je 1999/07/30(5)/20:07, JEAN MARTIGNON montris sua genieco skribante: > Mala Esperantisti esas la Espisti qui > savas nur male lia linguo. Bonege! Lore es me bona Esperantisto, e mala Idisto:). > Koncerne la mala Idisti advere esas > sat multa mala Idisti hike. La quanto di mala idisti probable ne tro gravas, plu gravas ka la mala Idisti demarshas plubonigar sua Ido. Pri ito me nulo savas, nam me nur ege kurte estas listano. > E yen la kerno dil problemo, quankam > la homi ne lernas suficante serioze > la linguo, li volas diskutar sencese > pri la linguo e reformar ed "ameliorar" > ol. Apene esas mesaji pri kulturo, > sporto o vera altra interesaji. Ito mi certe anke remarkis. Kaj anke me regretas ito. > Me deziras linguo stabila por > kambiar idei ed interesiva informi, > ne por lektar stultaji. Me > intelektas ke me ne havas mea plaso > che Idolisto. Me ne savis ke onu > povas krear altra grupi. Ito es facila. Se me bone memoras, che http://www.egroups.com es expliki pri quale faci ito. > Me intencas > havar mea propra grupo stabilista > ube onu parolus en la linguo e ne pri > la linguo. Me departos vakance ye > la 7ma agosto e retrovenos ye la > 22ma agosto. Ka anke vi iros ad IJK? Fakte, dum IJK probable esos `aligatorejo', ibe on nek darfas paroli esperanto, nek paroli nacionlingue. Uzi Ido yes estas permisita (quankam me nultempe ito askoltis) Sed, me nun probable esos tro for di la temo da idolisto. -- joostje (joostje@debian.org) From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 901 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 16574 invoked by uid 7770); 31 Jul 1999 03:20:15 -0000 Received: from qh.egroups.com (HELO qh.findmail.com) (10.1.2.28) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 31 Jul 1999 03:20:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 21827 invoked from network); 31 Jul 1999 03:20:14 -0000 Received: from mout00.kundenserver.de (195.20.224.69) by qh.egroups.com with SMTP; 31 Jul 1999 03:20:14 -0000 Received: from [195.20.224.68] (helo=mx02.kundenserver.de) by mout00.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11AKjt-0002wd-00; Sat, 31 Jul 1999 00:02:53 +0200 Received: from [212.81.133.117] (helo=FrankKasper) by mx02.kundenserver.de with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11A9jT-0003qY-00; Fri, 30 Jul 1999 12:17:43 +0200 Message-ID: <00a101beda74$dd543f20$5d8151d4@FrankKasper> From: "Frank Kasper" To: "Manfred Magin" , "Idolisto (Mesaji)" Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 12:17:19 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Subject: [ido] Kordiala saluti ek Mecklenburg Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kara amiki! Me sendas a vi mea maxim kordiala ed amikala saluti ek Anklam (Mecklenburg/Nord-Est-Germania)! Me arivis hike hiere vespere pos sepeduimhora voyajo per treno. Me esis salutita en la gardeno de mea patro. La vetero esas belega e la suno brilas. Quankam la bela vetero me ankore ne sucesis livar la lojeyo de mea patro dum ca antedimezo, nam por ke me kunportis mea komputileto e konseque anke hike povas regardar mea elektronika postfaki me devis lektar plu kam 15 mesaji sendita ad Idolisto sendita dum la recenta hori. Me nun deziras a vi omni agreabla tempo!! Kordiala saluti a vi omni sendas Frank Kasper frank.kasper@idolinguo.de From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 902 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 28232 invoked by uid 7770); 31 Jul 1999 10:01:46 -0000 Received: from qg.egroups.com (HELO qg.findmail.com) (10.1.2.27) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 31 Jul 1999 10:01:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 4412 invoked from network); 31 Jul 1999 10:01:46 -0000 Received: from law-f251.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (209.185.130.216) by qg.egroups.com with SMTP; 31 Jul 1999 10:01:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 86481 invoked by uid 0); 31 Jul 1999 10:01:46 -0000 Message-ID: <19990731100146.86480.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 159.15.128.3 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sat, 31 Jul 1999 03:01:45 PDT From: "James Chandler" To: idolisto@egroups.com Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 10:01:45 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] Fwd: Diversaji ed expliki Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kar amiki Malgre ke me ne es stabilisto, me povas komprenar la deskontenteso di sro Martignon pri reform-propozi facita da ti qui lernis ed uzis la linguo dum tre poka tempo. Omnakaze, certena quanteso di experienco es sempre bezonata ante ke on kritikas ulo o probas chanjar ol. Recente esabas multa reform-mesaji de tala nova interesati, ed ofte me kredas ke li uzus sua tempo plu saje por lernar plu profunde la linguo o praktikar ol pri min teknikal temi, vice entamar longa diskuti lingual por qui li apene o ne posedas la necesa lingual kompetenteso. Me do pregas omnu: lernez la linguo, certigez ke vu povas uzar ol korekte, ante propozar grava reformi en ol. Tamen, me ne povas sustenar la atitudo di sro M. kontre altra listani. Me tre regretas ke semblante nova e bona idisto nun livis la movemento* pro la komenti di sro M. Tala reakto es nejustifikita, mem se me simpatias kun il pri la qualeso di kelka recenta lingual diskuti hike. Sro M. propozas krear nova stabilista Idolisto. Se il sucesus, to ruptus la movemento*, adminime la retana parto di ol, en du peci. Tala developo che la reto esus enorme domajiva. Sempre esos lingual propozi che Idolisto. Me ne povas nek volas cesigar oli, e me supozas ke l'administranti pensas same. Se sro M. ne povas restar hike pro la minaco di lingual diskuti, existas nur la posibleso ke il livas la listo. To ne implikas ke il mustus livar la idala movemento*; ma se lua opinioni kontre lingual diskuti es tante forta ke il volas interdiktar oli o ruptar la movemento* per skismo, forsan il agus maxim bone per livar Ido e transirar ad altra interlinguo. Me tre regretus lo, ma me regretus anke l'altra posiblesi. Kordiale, James Chandler idojc@hotmail.com http://yi.com/home/ChandlerJames http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Forum/5037 ______________________________________________________ From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 903 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 17124 invoked by uid 7770); 31 Jul 1999 11:18:03 -0000 Received: from qh.egroups.com (HELO qh.findmail.com) (10.1.2.28) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 31 Jul 1999 11:18:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 15100 invoked from network); 31 Jul 1999 11:18:03 -0000 Received: from out2.minitel.net (HELO gmailint2.globalmail.net) (193.252.91.11) by qh.egroups.com with SMTP; 31 Jul 1999 11:18:03 -0000 Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 13:18:01 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199907311118.NAA16487@gmailint2.globalmail.net> From: jeanmartignon@minitel.net (JEAN MARTIGNON) To: idolisto@egroups.com (IDOLISTO) MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] Respondo a James Chandler Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Kara cibernauti, Me ne komprenas pro quo aparo de listo stabilista esus minaco por la movado o por la linguo. Existas grupi en la Hispana e Franca lingui. En la stabilista grupo onu nur parolus en la linguo e ne pri la linguo. Ube esus la skismo ? S-ro Chandler esas plu fresha Idisto kam me e havas nula aparto yuro por dicar a ma to quon me devas facar. Cetere la quereli hike esas bona pruvo ke altra grupo povus esar utila. La reformeri esas plago en Ido. En Esperanto, li ne darfas existar e livas la movado. En Interlingua, segun mea savo, la reformeri darfas propozar to quon li volas, la suceso di lia reformo dependas dil acepto dil altra Interlinguani e la reformeri e la stabilisti ibe kunvivas bone. Ka ne esus plu saja imitar la Interlinguani ? Pro quo la fola netoleremeso dil reformeri en Ido ? Pro quo li volas senfine impozar sua reformachi qui nulatempe sucesas e departigas valoroza Idisti. Do, se me havas nula partisani, me livos la movado, ma s-ro Chandler me tre dubitas ke talmaniere, per kompleta netoleremeso kontre la stabilisti, vu sucesos krear la maxim bona linguo por la homaro. Vu havos nur mikra sequantaro, nam la maxim multa homi volas stabila idiomo e ne senfina "ameliori". Ito quo esas perfekte justa pri ciencala savo (t.e. sencese pluperfektigar sua savo) esas sen-relata koncerne instrumento dil omnadia komunikado ciberspacala saluti. JM From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 904 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 18453 invoked by uid 7770); 31 Jul 1999 11:21:55 -0000 Received: from qg.egroups.com (HELO qg.findmail.com) (10.1.2.27) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 31 Jul 1999 11:21:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 11104 invoked from network); 31 Jul 1999 11:21:55 -0000 Received: from spartacus.a2000.nl (HELO smtp2.a2000.nl) (62.108.1.20) by qg.egroups.com with SMTP; 31 Jul 1999 11:21:55 -0000 Received: from node118d7.a2000.nl ([24.132.24.215] helo=HansStuifbergen) by smtp2.a2000.nl with smtp (Exim 2.02 #4) id 11AXD8-0004TC-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Sat, 31 Jul 1999 13:21:54 +0200 Message-ID: <003a01bedb48$15adea00$d7188418@HansStuifbergen.a2000.nl> From: "Ido-Info" To: "idolisto" Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 13:30:25 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Subject: [ido] uneso en diverseso Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kar amiki, Ne timez skismi. Me ne kredas ke la tal-nimizita "skolo di stabisti" es domajiva. Mem kontree. Ol esos 'bazo' a qua on sempre povos rivenar. Quankam anke me me ipsa ne konsideras kom 'stabilisto', me anke ne konsideras me kom 'reformemo', ma simple uzas Ido segun la gramatiko quale deskriptita en Kompleta Gramatiko Detaloza da de Beaufront. Ed anke ton facas sro. J. Martignon. Sro. Martignon, ye quanta gradi me komprenas, deziras kre(ig)ar nova grupo ube on uzas Ido por skribar (parolar) pri kulturo, literaturo, sporto, edc., omno, ultre politiko e la linguo Ido ipsa. Segun me, to signifikas ke existas du grupi por Idisti, un en qua on povos parolar en Ido pri la linguo ipsa (od altra lingui) ed un en qua on povos parolar pri altra aferi (en Ido). Quo es mala pri to, deziro ube on lektar pri altra aferi kam la linguo ipsa? Se on es konvinkita ke la linguo ja es bona, kad on devas tralektar itere ed itere mesaji pri la linguo? Me komprenas, parolar pri la linguo es interesanta (o povas esar interesanta), ma ne omno e ne por omni. Ido es: Idiomo Di Omni, on savas, la mondo es granda. La mondo es un globo kun tanta opinioni, karakteri, edc. Ne es posibla unigar la mondo. Ni ya povas aspirar uneso di la linguo Ido, mem tre dezirata, ma mustas expektar ke l' Idisti es tre diversa. Saluti amikala, Hans St. ************************************************************* - Ido, linguo internaciona, absolute vizitez: http://members.tripod.com/~avancigado - nove: LA HERISONI, rakonteto desegnita, da Rymke, 56 pag. Fl. 2,50 / Euri 1,40 / 2 Int. Kuponi di Resp. / "...tre charmiva..." (T. Carlevaro) (anke videz: http://www.angelfire.com/id/Avance/TiaListo1.html) ************************************************************* From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 905 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 20954 invoked by uid 7770); 31 Jul 1999 11:28:54 -0000 Received: from qh.egroups.com (HELO qh.findmail.com) (10.1.2.28) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 31 Jul 1999 11:28:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 16264 invoked from network); 31 Jul 1999 11:28:54 -0000 Received: from spartacus.a2000.nl (HELO smtp2.a2000.nl) (62.108.1.20) by qh.egroups.com with SMTP; 31 Jul 1999 11:28:54 -0000 Received: from node118d7.a2000.nl ([24.132.24.215] helo=HansStuifbergen) by smtp2.a2000.nl with smtp (Exim 2.02 #4) id 11AXJt-0004mK-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Sat, 31 Jul 1999 13:28:53 +0200 Message-ID: <004001bedb49$0f70d160$d7188418@HansStuifbergen.a2000.nl> From: "Ido-Info" To: "idolisto" Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 13:37:24 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Subject: [ido] eroreti Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Holala, tanta entuziasmo por partoprenar la diskuto, ke enreptis kelka eroreti. Voluntez, lektar: - tal-nomizita > tal-nimizita - "skolo di stabilisti" > "skolo di stabisti" - Quo es mala, deziro ke on povas lektar... > ...ube on lektar... Saluti amikala, Hans St. ************************************************************* - Ido, linguo internaciona, absolute vizitez: http://members.tripod.com/~avancigado - nove: LA HERISONI, rakonteto desegnita, da Rymke, 56 pag. Fl. 2,50 / Euri 1,40 / 2 Int. Kuponi di Resp. / "...tre charmiva..." (T. Carlevaro) (anke videz: http://www.angelfire.com/id/Avance/TiaListo1.html) ************************************************************* From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 906 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 239 invoked by uid 7770); 31 Jul 1999 15:58:55 -0000 Received: from qg.egroups.com (HELO qg.findmail.com) (10.1.2.27) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 31 Jul 1999 15:58:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 20543 invoked from network); 31 Jul 1999 15:58:55 -0000 Received: from spielberg.vip.uk.com (194.176.218.9) by qg.egroups.com with SMTP; 31 Jul 1999 15:58:55 -0000 Received: from vip-206-141.vip.uk.com ([194.176.206.141] helo=default) by spielberg.vip.uk.com with smtp (Exim 3.02 #1) id 11AbZr-0002L4-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Sat, 31 Jul 1999 17:01:42 +0100 Message-ID: <000e01bedb6c$17b45e00$8dceb0c2@default> From: "wood" To: Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 16:46:21 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Subject: [ido] Pluralo Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0004_01BEDB74.37FEFE60" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BEDB74.37FEFFE60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Kar amiki ************************ James Chandler ************************ = Me pensabas ke se, por exemplo, 'uceli =3D birds' do 'ucel =3D bird'. Fa= kte me opinionas ke praktiko es plu potenta kam argumento. Forsan ni povas = konkordar ke praktiko es la probo? Probez omno: retenez lo bona. ********= **************** Bebson Y. Takata ************************ Saja vorti de B= .Y.T. Amikale Tom Wood ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BEDB74.37FEFFE60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable content-type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1"
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Me pensabas ke se, por exemplo, 'uceli =3D birds'  do = 'ucel =3D bird'.
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Saja vorti de B.Y.T.
 
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Tom Wood
= ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BEDB74.37FEFFE60-- From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 907 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 10922 invoked by uid 7770); 1 Aug 1999 11:51:37 -0000 Received: from qh.egroups.com (HELO qh.findmail.com) (10.1.2.28) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 1999 11:51:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 31842 invoked from network); 1 Aug 1999 11:51:37 -0000 Received: from ncc3.infomail.es (HELO infomail.es) (194.224.53.142) by qh.egroups.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 1999 11:51:37 -0000 Received: from 206067.rad.bbv.es ([195.53.206.67]) by infomail.es (Tid InfoMail Exchanger v2.20) with SMTP id #933508219.289850002; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 13:50:19 +0200 From: xavo@bbvnet.com To: idolisto@egroups.com Date: Sun, 01 Aug 1999 11:52:43 GMT Message-ID: <37a1adb7.14444997@mail.infomail.es> References: <005001becee8$f3563400$d7188418@HansStuifbergen.a2000.nl> <379007a1.867998@mail.infomail.es> <01a701bed252$197e2040$3e14083d@kalocsay> <37946162.2844825@mail.infomail.es> <3795490A.727B@cantv.net> <379b93ad.7498296@mail.infomail.es> <000201bed7ac$b84c2fa0$e612083d@kalocsay> <379de5cf.8356067@mail.infomail.es> <000401bed93c$fbf11ae0$4a12083d@kalocsay> <37a00e70.843977@mail.infomail.es> <007601beda24$81696b40$0c14083d@kalocsay> In-Reply-To: <007601beda24$81696b40$0c14083d@kalocsay> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.01/32.397 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Infomail-Id: 933508219.7139020A81106E.28740 Subject: [ido] Re: Nova kodexi Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Tem Fri, 30 Jul 1999 10:43:10 +1000, "Adrian Neilson Hall" skribis: Saluto, Adrian >> la parolanti por forigar ta "a" che simi= la frazi. Ka ni devus aceptar >> ta uzo ne-prepozicionizata di la personala= pronomi en >> nedirekta-objekto funciono jus pos la verbo? > >Juste. Me da= nkas pro la atencigo. To rezultas de mea kustumo esperantal skribar "mi dem= andas min". Evidente, en Ido, sen akuzativo obligata, oportas la prepozicio= no. Me dubas mem ke la esperantala "mi demandas min" esez gramatike kore= kta. Quon me "demandas" es _questiono_, ne _me_. >> Por me, lo plu logika = esus ke "nivo" signifikus la blanka substanco, >> nam ol semblas a me plu b= asika [ > bazala] koncepto kam la ago. Ma to >signifikus >> ke nivar esus "= nivagar" o simile (pro la principo de >> reinversigebleso). > >Nu, segun= la dicionarii e la tradiciono, "niv-" es radiko baze verbal. Me es kontent= a pri to. Or e future me uzos "nivo" por la ago e "nivuro" por la blanka su= bstanco quan me rare vidas sur la sulo montal. Bone. E ne obliviez facar l= o sama kun centi di verbi plu. Exemple, pluvuro. Ne darfez dicar "falas aci= da pluvo " (o ka me mustus dicar "acidala") nam pluvo povas nulmaniere esar= acida, nek falar, nam _pluvo_ es ago (segun Couturat). >> La problemo esa= s ke la teorio forcus nin uzar -aj- e -ur- oftege se ni >> volas esar seman= tike korekta, ma nulu facas to, e konseque nulu >> parolas korekta (segun t= eorio) Ido. Altra exemplo: ni normale dicus >> "il montris a me lua laboro"= , ma lo korekta esus "il montris a me lua >> laborajo (o laboruro)". > >Nul= u? James jus skribis "kopiuro". Me vidis "-aj" e aparte "-ur" en Ido sufica= nte ofte. Certe, ma esas centi di kazi ube olin nulu uzas, e ube segun la = teorio ni mustus. >> necesa por la linguo esar logika. Esas regretinda ke = Couturat ed altri >> ne remarkis co kande li desegnis Ido. > >Pri to me ne = povas konsentar. Por ke la linguo esez logikal, oportas la principo de inve= rsigebleso, adminime segun mea aktual vidpunto. Vu mustos elaborar por konv= inkar me ad altra opiniono. La sistemo de Novial exemple, quankam praktikal= ed util, ne es logikal. Korektigez me se me eroras, ma la sistemo "pluve, = tu pluva, pluvo" ne es extensebla ad omna verbo, e en adminime kelka kazi o= n mustas antee konocar un o du westeuropean lingui por aplikar la sistemo j= uste. Desvere. La sistemo de Jespersen posibligas la direkta derivo di ver= bi de substantivi en quar kazi: uzo di instrumento, sekreco, meteorologiala= fenomeni, e un quaresma kategorio por vorti en qui nula dubo povas esar pr= i la senco di la verbo (idiotismi interdiktita). Tale, de la signifiko di l= a derivo-de-a substantivo on povas sempre inferar logikale la signifiko de = la verbo direkte derivata. En altra kazi, on uzas sufixi o kompozaji, quale= en Ido. Ta omno faciligas la uzo di la linguo sen perdo di preciseso, e pl= ue, ol livras plu naturala formi (ex. formulas, nivo, martelas... vs. formu= lizas, nivuro, martelagas...) Ma quon me volis remarkigar per mea lasta k= omento/komentajo es ke ta avantaji (e mem plu) es(is) atingebla ene di la p= ropra Espo/Idala skemo di un nura finajo por omna nomi. E la sistemon ni po= vus nomizi "principo di NE-reinversigebleso"! Yes. Ol konsistas en definar= la signifiki qui ni donas a singla vortospeco derivata de singla vortospec= o, e ne permisar retroa derivo. To es, se certena radiko esas verbala, on p= ovos derivar direkte de ol al altra vortospeci, ma on _ne_ povos derivar di= sde ta direkta derivaji. Same pri radiko nomala o radiko adjektivala. A to = ni adjuntez un sufixo por (exemple) konvertar noma vorto ad verba vorto (qu= ale fakte ja facas normala sufixi quale -ag-). Ta sufixo esez exemple -i-. = E nur, finfine, un exemplo por klarigo: nivo (la blanka substanco) >direkte= > nivar E nun, por derivar "ago nivar" ni ne povas derivar denove disde "ni= var", nam ol esas direkta derivajo. Do ni uzas sufixo -i-: niv-i-ar. Ni ya = povas derivar de "niviar" nam ol ne esas direkta derivajo (esas nedirekta).= E ni derivas direkte nivio, ago nivar. Same pri pluvuro (pluvo segun ta si= stemo): pluvo d> pluvar pluvo nd> pluviar d> pluvio Same pri brosilo (bros= o segun ta sistemo): broso (instrumento) d> brosar broso nd> brosiar d> bro= sio (ago) E martelo: martelo d> martelar martelo nd> marteliar d> marte= lio Evidente, pluvar =3D pluviar, brosar =3D brosiar, kun la nura diferenc= o ke un es direkta derivajo e la altra nedirekta. Por ti qui ankore esas l= eganta me (o "a me"), ta sistemo de ne-reinversigebleso anke posibligas der= ivar direkte adjektivi de substantivi sen neceso di sufixi quale "-al-": ho= mo d> homa (di la homo, relate a la homo). Ta (di..., relate a...) es la si= gnifiko quan on normale intencas kande on derivas adjektivo de nomo. Mustar= uzar sempre -al- es *burdeno nenecesa sub la principo de ne-reinversigeble= so. Evidente, nun ni ne povas derivar "homo" de "homa"? Ma qua utileso ta p= ovo havus? Fine, por povar expresar la Idala signifiko di "homa" (certe des= ofta), facila esus trovar nova sufixo por olun expresar de la substantivo. = Saludos, Marcos From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 908 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 8162 invoked by uid 7770); 1 Aug 1999 13:06:43 -0000 Received: from qg.egroups.com (HELO qg.findmail.com) (10.1.2.27) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 1999 13:06:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 8939 invoked from network); 1 Aug 1999 13:06:43 -0000 Received: from lwaxana.cistron.net (195.64.68.26) by qg.egroups.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 1999 13:06:43 -0000 Received: from muso.musejo.nl (cs1p11.dial.cistron.nl [62.216.3.12]) by lwaxana.cistron.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA17325 for ; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 15:06:09 +0200 Received: (from joostje@localhost) by muso.musejo.nl (8.9.1a/8.9.1/Debian/GNU) id PAA00918; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 15:05:29 +0200 Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 15:05:00 +0200 From: joost witteveen To: idolisto@egroups.com Cc: joost witteveen Message-ID: <19990801150500.A885@cistron.nl> References: <01a701bed252$197e2040$3e14083d@kalocsay> <37946162.2844825@mail.infomail.es> <3795490A.727B@cantv.net> <379b93ad.7498296@mail.infomail.es> <000201bed7ac$b84c2fa0$e612083d@kalocsay> <379de5cf.8356067@mail.infomail.es> <000401bed93c$fbf11ae0$4a12083d@kalocsay> <37a00e70.843977@mail.infomail.es> <007601beda24$81696b40$0c14083d@kalocsay> <37a1adb7.14444997@mail.infomail.es> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.6i In-Reply-To: <37a1adb7.14444997@mail.infomail.es>; from xavo@bbvnet.com on Sun, Aug 01, 1999 at 11:52:43AM +0000 Subject: [ido] Re: Nova kodexi Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Je 1999/08/01(0)/11:08, xavo@bbvnet.com montris sian geniecon skribante: > Tem Fri, 30 Jul 1999 10:43:10 +1000, "Adrian Neilson Hall" > skribis: > > Saluto, Adrian > > >> la parolanti por forigar ta "a" che simila frazi. Ka ni devus aceptar > >> ta uzo ne-prepozicionizata di la personala pronomi en > >> nedirekta-objekto funciono jus pos la verbo? > > > > Juste. Me dankas pro la atencigo. To rezultas de mea kustumo > > esperantal skribar "mi demandas min". Evidente, en Ido, sen > > akuzativo obligata, oportas la prepoziciono. > > Me dubas mem ke la esperantala "mi demandas min" esez gramatike > korekta. Quon me "demandas" es _questiono_, ne _me_. Ka ca diskuto ne plu bone eventus en la kreota listo pri irgo ultra ido? Omna kaze, Quon on (eserantale) `demandas' es e questiono, e persono. Segun PIV (Plena Ilustita Vortaro): Demand/i (tr). Peti pri sciigo, informo: `demandi iun pri io; kial vi min demandas pri bono?' [...] `mi demandas min, kiel tio farigxis ebla' > > Pri to me ne povas konsentar. Por ke la linguo esez logikal, > > oportas la principo de inversigebleso Quo es la `principo de inversigebleso'? Ka ulu povus dici a me ta, o dici ube a me ibe me trovos la respondo? Amike tilas: joostje From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 909 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 28990 invoked by uid 7770); 1 Aug 1999 21:05:30 -0000 Received: from qh.egroups.com (HELO qh.findmail.com) (10.1.2.28) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 1999 21:05:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 20511 invoked from network); 1 Aug 1999 21:05:29 -0000 Received: from spartacus.a2000.nl (HELO smtp2.a2000.nl) (62.108.1.20) by qh.egroups.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 1999 21:05:29 -0000 Received: from node118d7.a2000.nl ([24.132.24.215] helo=HansStuifbergen) by smtp2.a2000.nl with smtp (Exim 2.02 #4) id 11B2nQ-0004jN-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 23:05:28 +0200 Message-ID: <001001bedc62$c7721200$d7188418@HansStuifbergen.a2000.nl> From: "Ido-Info" To: "idolisto" Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 23:14:01 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Subject: [ido] principo di reversebleso Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kar amiki, Mama-mea, quanta varmegeso en Nederlando!!! Me ne savas pri altra landi, ma hike ni es jacanta sur la plankosuli kun lango ek la boko. Me timas defektigar mea klavaro pro la sudoro qua gutifas de mea manui e fronto. Yen exemplo di principo di reversebleso: L' esperantisti havas posibleso mediate verbigar substantivo. En Ido ta posibleso existas nur en certena kazi (kande koncernas ago o stando), altrakaze ni uzez sufixo apta por verbigar substantivo. Por exemplo: Esp.: biciklo (substantivo) - bicikli (infinitivo) - biciklo (verbo substantivigita) Ido: biciklo (subst.) - biciklagar (infin.) - biciklago (verbo substantivigita) On vidas ke en Esperanto ne es posibla reversigar la verbo substantivigita a verbo infinitiva. En la frazo: "la bona biciklo", en Esperanto ne es posibla savar kad on vizas la moyeno 'biciklo' o l' ago per biciklo. En Ido ya es posibla dicernar "la bona biciklago" de "la bona biciklo"; bona automobilago (od: automobil-iro) de bona automobilo, rapida klavago de rapida klavo, martelago de martelo, domifo de domo, domizo de domo, vestizo de vesto, vestifo de vesto, stonago de stono, edc. Do, principo di reversebleso signifikas ke on povas reversigar vorto de un vortosorto al altra vortosorto e reverse. Do: verbo > substantivo > verbo: laborar > laboro > laborar; vidar > vido > vidar; militar > milito > militar, edc. Saluti amikala, Hans St. ************************************************************* - Ido, linguo internaciona, absolute vizitez: http://members.tripod.com/~avancigado - nove: LA HERISONI, rakonteto desegnita, da Rymke, 56 pag. Fl. 2,50 / Euri 1,40 / 2 Int. Kuponi di Resp. / "...tre charmiva..." (T. Carlevaro) (anke videz: http://www.angelfire.com/id/Avance/TiaListo1.html) ************************************************************* From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 910 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 31467 invoked by uid 7770); 1 Aug 1999 21:09:04 -0000 Received: from qh.egroups.com (HELO qh.findmail.com) (10.1.2.28) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 1999 21:09:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 21190 invoked from network); 1 Aug 1999 21:09:04 -0000 Received: from spartacus.a2000.nl (HELO smtp2.a2000.nl) (62.108.1.20) by qh.egroups.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 1999 21:09:04 -0000 Received: from node118d7.a2000.nl ([24.132.24.215] helo=HansStuifbergen) by smtp2.a2000.nl with smtp (Exim 2.02 #4) id 11B2qt-0004ss-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 23:09:03 +0200 Message-ID: <001501bedc63$47e956a0$d7188418@HansStuifbergen.a2000.nl> From: "Ido-Info" To: "idolisto" Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 23:17:37 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Subject: [ido] mediate Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hola, voluntez lektar: "L' esperantisti havas posibleso NEmediate verbigar substantivo" vice "...mediate..." Hans St. ************************************************************* - Ido, linguo internaciona, absolute vizitez: http://members.tripod.com/~avancigado - nove: LA HERISONI, rakonteto desegnita, da Rymke, 56 pag. Fl. 2,50 / Euri 1,40 / 2 Int. Kuponi di Resp. / "...tre charmiva..." (T. Carlevaro) (anke videz: http://www.angelfire.com/id/Avance/TiaListo1.html) ************************************************************* From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 911 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 12539 invoked by uid 7770); 2 Aug 1999 01:12:29 -0000 Received: from qh.egroups.com (HELO qh.findmail.com) (10.1.2.28) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 1999 01:12:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 28536 invoked from network); 2 Aug 1999 01:12:26 -0000 Received: from vasquez.zip.com.au (203.12.97.41) by qh.egroups.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 1999 01:12:26 -0000 Received: from kalocsay (krusty2.zip.com.au [61.8.16.34]) by vasquez.zip.com.au (8.9.2/8.9.1) with SMTP id LAA11569 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 11:03:56 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <004b01bedc83$e21f9660$2210083d@kalocsay> From: "Adrian Neilson Hall" To: References: <19990731100146.86480.qmail@hotmail.com> Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 10:35:05 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Subject: [ido] Re: Fwd: Diversaji ed expliki Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Kar amiki James Chandler skribis: > Malgre ke me ne es stabilisto, me po= vas komprenar la deskontenteso di sro > Martignon pri reform-propozi facit= a da ti qui lernis ed uzis la linguo dum > tre poka tempo. Omnakaze, cert= ena quanteso di experienco es sempre >bezonata > ante ke on kritikas ulo o= probas chanjar ol. Recente esabas multa > reform-mesaji de tala nova int= eresati, ed ofte me kredas ke li uzus sua > tempo plu saje por lernar plu = profunde la linguo o praktikar ol pri min > teknikal temi, vice entamar lo= nga diskuti lingual por qui li apene o ne > posedas la necesa lingual komp= etenteso. Me do pregas omnu: lernez la > linguo, certigez ke vu povas uza= r ol korekte, ante propozar grava reformi en > ol. Me konkordas kun vua o= piniono ta-rilate. Surprizis me ke on lasis la defenso dil derivosistemo I= dal a me, kom novo. Forsan en antea monati on ja diskutis til tedeso la sam= a temo. Ka yes? Cetere, ka vu reprochas nur ti qui entamas diskuti lingual= o anke ti qui respondas e do durigas la diskuti? Se yes a lo lasta, ka vu = bonvole indikus specigive exempli dil manko dil necesa lingual kompetenteso= ? Kordiale Adrian From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 912 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 12566 invoked by uid 7770); 2 Aug 1999 01:12:31 -0000 Received: from qh.egroups.com (HELO qh.findmail.com) (10.1.2.28) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 1999 01:12:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 28547 invoked from network); 2 Aug 1999 01:12:28 -0000 Received: from vasquez.zip.com.au (203.12.97.41) by qh.egroups.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 1999 01:12:28 -0000 Received: from kalocsay (krusty2.zip.com.au [61.8.16.34]) by vasquez.zip.com.au (8.9.2/8.9.1) with SMTP id LAA11572 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 11:03:58 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <004c01bedc83$e333c580$2210083d@kalocsay> From: "Adrian Neilson Hall" To: References: <199907311118.NAA16487@gmailint2.globalmail.net> Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 11:06:30 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Subject: [ido] Re: Respondo a James Chandler Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Kara samlingui A Jean Martignon Me abonos la retopostal listo di vua nova= grupo (en e-groups). Tre plezus a me diskutar la sporto (ka vu prizas la= rugbeo?) e la cinemo e la lteraturo. Yen temi interesanta. Me samtempe re= stos tamen en la nuna idolisto, nam a me anke plezas diskuti lingual. Ka v= u bonvole klarigus ulo por me? En vua depesho di Julio 31 vu skribis: > En= Interlingua, > segun mea savo, la reformeri darfas > propozar to quon li v= olas, la suceso > di lia reformo dependas dil acepto > dil altra Interlingu= ani e la reformeri > e la stabilisti ibe kunvivas bone. Ka > ne esus plu sa= ja imitar la > Interlinguani ? De to me inferas ke vu sustenas la kunvivo= di stablisti e reformeri en un retopostal listo por Ido. Ka me inferis jus= te? Quik pose vu skribis: > Pro quo la fola > netoleremeso dil reformeri = en Ido ? > Pro quo li volas senfine impozar sua > reformachi... Hike sembl= as ke altralatere, vu ne sustenas la kunvivo di stabilisti e reformeri en l= a sama retopostal listo. Evidente, ulaloke me miskomprenis vua opiniono. = Ka on darfas propozar reformi en Interlingua ma ne en Ido? O ka koncernesas= hike la maniero o qualeso o persistemeso dil reformo-propozi? Me tre dank= us se vu bonvolus explikar vua penso tarilata. Amike Adrian From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 913 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 23727 invoked by uid 7770); 2 Aug 1999 02:01:25 -0000 Received: from qg.egroups.com (HELO qg.findmail.com) (10.1.2.27) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 1999 02:01:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 9985 invoked from network); 2 Aug 1999 02:01:22 -0000 Received: from vasquez.zip.com.au (203.12.97.41) by qg.egroups.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 1999 02:01:22 -0000 Received: from kalocsay (krusty2.zip.com.au [61.8.16.34]) by vasquez.zip.com.au (8.9.2/8.9.1) with SMTP id LAA14869 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 11:52:52 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <00c601bedc8a$b866e060$2210083d@kalocsay> From: "Adrian Neilson Hall" To: References: <005001becee8$f3563400$d7188418@HansStuifbergen.a2000.nl> <379007a1.867998@mail.infomail.es> <01a701bed252$197e2040$3e14083d@kalocsay> <37946162.2844825@mail.infomail.es> <3795490A.727B@cantv.net> <379b93ad.7498296@mail.infomail.es> <000201bed7ac$b84c2fa0$e612083d@kalocsay> <379de5cf.8356067@mail.infomail.es> <000401bed93c$fbf11ae0$4a12083d@kalocsay> <37a00e70.843977@mail.infomail.es> <007601beda24$81696b40$0c14083d@kalocsay> <37a1adb7.14444997@mail.infomail.es> Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 11:59:54 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Subject: [ido] Re: Nova kodexi Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Saluto ad omni Marcos, pri ta afero di "a" pos verbo e avan persono: Ka = forsan koncernesas hispaniso? Me konsultis la dicionario di Dyer e lektis -= "questionar, (tr., intr.) to question, ask questions of, interrogate (ulu,= pri ulo)..." Do segun Dyer adminime on povas questionar ulu pri ulo, sen = "a'. Segun mea febleta memoro dil hispana quan me studiis che la Universit= ato di NSW, oportas metar "a" avan persono pos transitiva verbo. Ka pri to = vu pensas? Segun mea sava a "a" uzesas nek en la franca nek en la itala nek= en la angla. amike Adrian From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 914 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 26905 invoked by uid 7770); 2 Aug 1999 03:32:18 -0000 Received: from qh.egroups.com (HELO qh.findmail.com) (10.1.2.28) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 1999 03:32:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 26475 invoked from network); 2 Aug 1999 03:32:17 -0000 Received: from mga2.primo.co.jp (210.145.40.130) by qh.egroups.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 1999 03:32:17 -0000 Received: from mga2.primo.co.jp (unverified [210.145.40.140]) by mga2.primo.co.jp (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Mon, 02 Aug 1999 12:35:07 +0900 Message-ID: <000d01bedc96$9ac41760$8c2891d2@primo.co.jp> From: "Bebson Y. TAKATA" To: "IDOLISTO" References: Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 12:21:44 +0900 Organization: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Subject: [ido] Ankore pri la reversebleso Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-2022-jp" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kara Sri Cibernauti:#1 Generalajo #2 Linguo #3 Politiko #4 Religio ============================================================================== Beste vriend Kara Sro Hans STUIFBERGEN:#1 Het heeft niets te betekenen. ============================================================================== Adminime me ne timas skismi. Ube homi esas, ibe sempre povas eventar skismi. ============================================================================== Kara Sro Joost WITTEVEEN:#2 Ankore pri la reversebleso ============================================================================== Me esis Esperantisto dum 35 yari ed anke nulsavanta pri la reversebleso, ve!, nam me ne recevis autentika edukado pri multa kozi ed anke lingui generale. krono : kroon -> kroni : een kroon dragen?, maar -> kroni : kronen (tot koning benoemen) -> krono : kroningsplechtigheid?, maar kroon profeto : profeet -> profeti : tot profeet benoemen?, maar -> profeti : profetern -> profeto : profetie?, maar profeet gasto : gast -> gasti : inviteren?, maar -> gasti : bij iem. te gast zijn (een gast worden) -> gasto : logeren of verblijf?, maar gast fripono : zwendelaar -> friponi : een zwendelaar worden?, maar -> friponi : zwendelen (zwendelarij doen/maken) -> fripono : zwendelarij?, maar zwendelaar oro : goud -> ori : de alchemie volvoeren (goud maken)? -> ori : vergulden (goudwinnen???)-> oro : verguldsel?, maar goud salo : zout -> sali : zoutwinnen of chloreren?, maar -> sali : zouten -> salo : zoutte?, maar zout Do Esperanto friponis min. (`_') ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Adio! .....sincere via, B.Y.T. .....Idisto ed Idiotisto pro mea limitizita edukado ed anke Ido-Kavaliero kun abundanta hucpo* e numeroza erori ============================================================================== Pliz* indikez mea erori pri vorti, gramatiko, dicmaniero ec., nam me esas nura ne-edukito e devas lernar dum ke me vivas. Me sempre esperas, samideani, via amikeso por EXTRA prenar peno de via parto por instruktar me, qua durstas ye savo ulaspecala. Tamen en rara kazo kande me savas plu bone kam vi, me volunte transdonos mea humila savo a vi segun via bezoni. ============================================================================== From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 915 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 1970 invoked by uid 7770); 2 Aug 1999 09:48:58 -0000 Received: from qh.egroups.com (HELO qh.findmail.com) (10.1.2.28) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 1999 09:48:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 25737 invoked from network); 2 Aug 1999 09:48:52 -0000 Received: from epmsa001.ep.minsk.by (194.226.122.227) by qh.egroups.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 1999 09:48:52 -0000 Received: by epmsa001.ep.minsk.by with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 12:48:36 +0300 Message-ID: <8D76D48EDDD3D211AC3000A0C98212E703A89A@epmsa001.ep.minsk.by> From: "Dmitri P. Laptsionak" To: "'idolisto@egroups.com'" Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 12:48:32 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Subject: [ido] Re: Diversaji Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Saluto paciganta Quale trista me esas, vidante ke ni esas homi, ma ne komputili. Ni povra homi esas ofte influata da emoci, ne da kolda mento. Erarar esas home, ed ofensesar esas home. Ni ofte ne povas komprenar, ke ultre pure nigro e pure blanko existas multa grizi e mem kolori. En nia listo ankorafoye aparis plendo: "Me ne omnon volas lektar, quon onu skribas". Se me ne eraras, lore ni inventis indiki por montrar pri quo temas (videz letri da Bebson Y. TAKATA). Altra ideo (da J. Martignon) esas diversa listi por ti, qua volas diskutar linguala problemi e questioni, e por ti, qua volas uzar la linguo. Ni mem povus nomizar la duesma listo ne nur "Listo di stabilemi" ma "Konsilantaro" ed onu ne permesez en ol "reformeri" e "komencanti". (Ma to esus granda limigo ed a me ne plezas). Do ne belas dicar *ultimati: "Se ne omnu facos, quale me plezas, me livos". Certene, existas bon altra solvuri. Ni ne lasez ke varma sango governus (-ez?) nia konduto! Zmicier From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 916 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 13291 invoked by uid 7770); 2 Aug 1999 18:30:00 -0000 Received: from qg.egroups.com (HELO qg.findmail.com) (10.1.2.27) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 1999 18:30:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 25977 invoked from network); 2 Aug 1999 18:29:58 -0000 Received: from spartacus.a2000.nl (HELO smtp2.a2000.nl) (62.108.1.20) by qg.egroups.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 1999 18:29:58 -0000 Received: from node118d7.a2000.nl ([24.132.24.215] helo=HansStuifbergen) by smtp2.a2000.nl with smtp (Exim 2.02 #4) id 11BMqT-0006DV-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 20:29:57 +0200 Message-ID: <013701bedd16$3a5dd700$d7188418@HansStuifbergen.a2000.nl> From: "Ido-Info" To: "idolisto" Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 20:38:34 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Subject: [ido] ondo de varmegeso Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Holala, me ne kredus se ne esus deklarita, ma fine on tamen agnoskis oficale, ke ni sufras/juas ondo de varmegeso. Omni es paralizita pro la varmegeso. Serii de automobili vers la plaji, qui ja es plu kam plena. Sat surpriziva la muzeo ube me laboras anke experiencis tre okupata jorno, la turisti amase serchis koldetesko en edifici. Fortunoze me nur laboris mi-jorno, hodie. Do me frue iris a mea domo, kushis me adsur la sofao, ca vespero me movos mea laxa korpo a la hamako, esperante trovar en la gardeno kelke koldetesko. Kar amiki, me salutas vi. Hans St. ************************************************************* - Ido, linguo internaciona, absolute vizitez: http://members.tripod.com/~avancigado ************************************************************* From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 917 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 27763 invoked by uid 7770); 2 Aug 1999 18:46:22 -0000 Received: from qg.egroups.com (HELO qg.findmail.com) (10.1.2.27) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 1999 18:46:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 30202 invoked from network); 2 Aug 1999 18:46:20 -0000 Received: from wya-lfd123.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (207.82.252.187) by qg.egroups.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 1999 18:46:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 94949 invoked by uid 0); 2 Aug 1999 18:46:20 -0000 Message-ID: <19990802184620.94948.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 207.61.72.4 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 02 Aug 1999 11:46:19 PDT From: "Martin L." To: idolisto@egroups.com Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 14:46:19 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] Ka idoluyo? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kar amiki, Kande me kreis la grupo francidol, nomo deveninta de sioro Martignon, me konsideris esar en sat favoroza situeso. Me recevas tempope inform-pregi di Ido-interesati. Havante listo suficante granda di ret-adresi, pro quo ne krear grupo por li? Por homi qui tote ne prizas lingual diskuti, la grupo di sioro Martignon qua koncentresus pri literaturo, beletro, poezio, sporto, esus bonega kozo, ilu mem povos cherpar ek olu por sia belega revuo Letro Internaciona. Persone, vu sendubite lo remarkis, me ne esas tre ofte en la interreto. Por altra homo qua kontrolas konstante sua elektronika posto, la diskuteyi di Ido, francidol, idolisto e idoespanyol, povas semblar ne multe populizita. Tamen, kun la kresko duranta di Ido, kun la chikani qui neeviteble rieventos, ni mustos vinkar la krizi qui fakte esas samtempe problemi e chanci sizenda. Me rekomendus la nomo idoluyo por la grupo propozata da sioro Martignon. Me prizus havar altra sugesti di interesati. >Me ne komprenas pro quo aparo de >listo stabilista esus minaco por la >movado o por la linguo. Existas >grupi en la Hispana e Franca lingui. >En la stabilista grupo onu nur parolus >en la linguo e ne pri la linguo. Ube >esus la skismo ? Nulloke. Esperanto havas deki, se ne centi, di elektronika forumi. Idolisto certe darfas existor por linguemi e interesati qui povos komunikar en irga naciona llinguo. Me tote apogas la stabilisma skolo, e sioro Chandler ja konsentis ke tala skolo darfas existar en Ido. Mea personal impreso pri la idolinguani esas ke li deziras konservar la nuna strukturo dil linguo internaciona dil Delegitaro, mem se ulquante defektoza, ma certe min kam ta di Esperanto. Ne omna idolinguani esas rete atingebla. Exemplo esas sioro Ford, bonega idoparolanto en Toronto, granda urbo di Kanada. Lu nun tradukas la evangelio segun santa Markus sequante la exemplo dil ja tradukita parti dil Biblo en Ido. Maxim amike vin salutas Martin ______________________________________________________ From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 918 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@eGroups.com Received: (qmail 29835 invoked by uid 7770); 2 Aug 1999 19:23:10 -0000 Received: from qh.egroups.com (HELO qh.findmail.com) (10.1.2.28) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 1999 19:23:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 30985 invoked from network); 2 Aug 1999 19:23:09 -0000 Received: from mu.egroups.com (207.138.41.151) by qh.egroups.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 1999 19:23:09 -0000 Received: from [10.1.2.24] by mu.egroups.com with NNFMP; 02 Aug 1999 20:23:09 -0000 Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 12:23:05 -0700 From: idolinguo@geocities.com To: idolisto@eGroups.com Message-ID: <7o4r6p$eqr0@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <19990731100146.86480.qmail@hotmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.76 X-Mailer: www.eGroups.com Message Poster Subject: [ido] Diversaji ed expliki Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kar amiki, Me persone opinionas ke skismo signifikas kreo di rivala grupi. Klare la nur-idolingua grupo di sioro Martignon ne konkurencus la diverstema idolisto. Homi darfus abonar en amba forumi. Forumi ya ne esas religii! Idolisto restos tre utila, konsiderante la interesati di Ido qui sen-cese arivas. Unlingua nur-ida forumo kontentigos la bezono praktikar la linguo reale e ne diskutar pri ol teorie (quankam ica lasta ne esas mala en su). Pri mala idisti: Me persone kredas ke homi qui demarshas studiar Ido ja facas granda laboro. Per kuna kurajigado me esas certa ke la lingual nivelo altesos. Ya ja lektar en Ido esas studiar ol. Idolisto, antee Idol, facis, facas e durante gravege kontributos a la difuzado dil linguo internaciona dil Delegitaro. La qualeso dil idolinguo certe permisos ad ol trovar nova admiranti, e ton ni ja ya remarkis dum la lasta semani. Amike salutas omni Martin Sioro Chandler skribis: > Sempre esos lingual propozi che Idolisto. Me ne povas nek volas cesigar > oli, e me supozas ke l'administranti pensas same. Se sro M. ne povas restar > hike pro la minaco di lingual diskuti, existas nur la posibleso ke il livas > la listo. To ne implikas ke il mustus livar la idala movemento*; ma se lua > opinioni kontre lingual diskuti es tante forta ke il volas interdiktar oli o > ruptar la movemento* per skismo, forsan il agus maxim bone per livar Ido e > transirar ad altra interlinguo. Me tre regretus lo, ma me regretus anke > l'altra posiblesi. From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 919 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 26618 invoked by uid 7770); 2 Aug 1999 19:57:40 -0000 Received: from qh.egroups.com (HELO qh.findmail.com) (10.1.2.28) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 1999 19:57:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 6435 invoked from network); 2 Aug 1999 19:57:40 -0000 Received: from dux4.tcd.ie (134.226.1.194) by qh.egroups.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 1999 19:57:40 -0000 Received: (from tourretg@localhost) by dux4.tcd.ie (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA20168; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 20:57:38 +0100 (BST) Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 20:57:38 +0100 (BST) From: guillaume yv tourrette Message-Id: <199908021957.UAA20168@dux4.tcd.ie> To: idolisto@egroups.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] No Subject Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 920 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 13709 invoked by uid 7770); 2 Aug 1999 21:32:11 -0000 Received: from qh.egroups.com (HELO qh.findmail.com) (10.1.2.28) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 1999 21:32:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 29902 invoked from network); 2 Aug 1999 21:32:09 -0000 Received: from ncc3.infomail.es (HELO infomail.es) (194.224.53.142) by qh.egroups.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 1999 21:32:09 -0000 Received: from 104074.rad.bbv.es ([195.53.104.74]) by infomail.es (Tid InfoMail Exchanger v2.20) with SMTP id #933629452.175660001; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 23:30:52 +0200 From: xavo@bbvnet.com To: idolisto@egroups.com Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 21:33:08 GMT Message-ID: <37a60137.258423@mail.infomail.es> References: <379007a1.867998@mail.infomail.es> <01a701bed252$197e2040$3e14083d@kalocsay> <37946162.2844825@mail.infomail.es> <3795490A.727B@cantv.net> <379b93ad.7498296@mail.infomail.es> <000201bed7ac$b84c2fa0$e612083d@kalocsay> <379de5cf.8356067@mail.infomail.es> <000401bed93c$fbf11ae0$4a12083d@kalocsay> <37a00e70.843977@mail.infomail.es> <007601beda24$81696b40$0c14083d@kalocsay> <37a1adb7.14444997@mail.infomail.es> <00c601bedc8a$b866e060$2210083d@kalocsay> In-Reply-To: <00c601bedc8a$b866e060$2210083d@kalocsay> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.01/32.397 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Infomail-Id: 933629452.449E010A81106E.29973 Subject: [ido] Re: Nova kodexi Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Tem Mon, 2 Aug 1999 11:59:54 +1000, "Adrian Neilson Hall" skribis: >Saluto ad omni > >Marcos, pri ta afero di "a" pos verbo e= avan persono: Ka forsan koncernesas hispaniso? Me konsultis la dicionario = di Dyer e lektis - "questionar, (tr., intr.) to question, ask questions of,= interrogate (ulu, pri ulo)..." > >Do segun Dyer adminime on povas question= ar ulu pri ulo, sen "a'. Ya, ma takaze on dicus: "me questionis vu(n) pri = to". Ma se ni dicas "me questionis vu to" ca frazo havus du direkta objekti= . Altriparte, vidante la definaji supra, ka ne esas en Ido (segun Dyer) vor= to por simpla "ask"? >Segun mea febleta memoro dil hispana quan me studiis= che la Universitato di NSW, oportas metar "a" avan persono pos transitiva = verbo. Ka pri to vu pensas? Segun mea sava a "a" uzesas nek en la franca ne= k en la itala nek en la angla. Hispanlingue existas diversa pronomi person= ala por la diversa funcioni. Exemple, por "ella" (el): Hisp Ido English= subj: ella el she dir.obj.: la el(un) her nedir.obj.: le (o "a = ella") ad el her (o "to her") Saludos, Marcos From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 921 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 13809 invoked by uid 7770); 2 Aug 1999 21:32:18 -0000 Received: from qh.egroups.com (HELO qh.findmail.com) (10.1.2.28) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 1999 21:32:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 29930 invoked from network); 2 Aug 1999 21:32:16 -0000 Received: from ncc3.infomail.es (HELO infomail.es) (194.224.53.142) by qh.egroups.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 1999 21:32:16 -0000 Received: from 104074.rad.bbv.es ([195.53.104.74]) by infomail.es (Tid InfoMail Exchanger v2.20) with SMTP id #933629454.175660002; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 23:30:54 +0200 From: xavo@bbvnet.com To: idolisto@egroups.com Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 21:33:16 GMT Message-ID: <37a706f0.1723773@mail.infomail.es> References: <19990731100146.86480.qmail@hotmail.com> <004b01bedc83$e21f9660$2210083d@kalocsay> In-Reply-To: <004b01bedc83$e21f9660$2210083d@kalocsay> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.01/32.397 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Infomail-Id: 933629454.449E020A81106E.29975 Subject: [ido] Re: Fwd: Diversaji ed expliki Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Tem Mon, 2 Aug 1999 10:35:05 +1000, "Adrian Neilson Hall" skribis: >> Malgre ke me ne es stabilisto, me povas komprenar la desk= ontenteso di sro >> Martignon pri reform-propozi facita da ti qui lernis e= d uzis la linguo dum >> tre poka tempo. Omnakaze, certena quanteso di exp= erienco es sempre >bezonata >> ante ke on kritikas ulo o probas chanjar ol= . Recente esabas multa >> reform-mesaji de tala nova interesati, ed ofte = me kredas ke li uzus sua >> tempo plu saje por lernar plu profunde la ling= uo o praktikar ol pri min >> teknikal temi, vice entamar longa diskuti lin= gual por qui li apene o ne >> posedas la necesa lingual kompetenteso. Me = do pregas omnu: lernez la >> linguo, certigez ke vu povas uzar ol korekte,= ante propozar grava reformi en >> ol. Me certe ne savas ka James inkluza= s me quale un ek tala nova interesati qui propozas reformi, ma me inklinas = pensar ke ne, nam nek me es nova, nek me propozis reformi. Omnakaze, me pen= sas ke la korekta atitudo pri ulo propozanta reformi ne esas dicar "vu ne h= avas linguala kompetenteso" (o simile), ma kontrastar lua propozi kun kontr= e-argumenti qui montrez lua manko di justeso. >Surprizis me ke on lasis la= defenso dil derivosistemo Idal a me, kom novo. Forsan en antea monati on j= a diskutis til tedeso la sama temo. Ka yes? Ne segun mea savo. Fakte, me p= ensas ke mankis dum longa tempo ul-quanto di sana kritika vizito a la Idala= gramatiko hike en Idolisto. Tamen, semblas ke uli ne prizas ula konverso p= ri la linguo qua ne esas en laudala termini, e volas facar un nova listo ub= e tala konversi esos interdiktata. Me nulon havas por dicar kontree, e prob= able me participos en la nova listo (sub lua reguli, kompreneble), ma me ne= komprenas pro quo linguala e nelinguala konverso ne devus esar en la sama = listo. Forsan ol es por ke nesavemuli povez kontinuar, en la nova, tem-limi= tigata listo, kredante ye la perfekteso di lua (nia) linguo. Saludos, Ma= rcos From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 922 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 14651 invoked by uid 7770); 2 Aug 1999 21:33:30 -0000 Received: from qg.egroups.com (HELO qg.findmail.com) (10.1.2.27) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 1999 21:33:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 9215 invoked from network); 2 Aug 1999 21:33:29 -0000 Received: from vasquez.zip.com.au (203.12.97.41) by qg.egroups.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 1999 21:33:29 -0000 Received: from kalocsay (cartman62.zip.com.au [61.8.20.190]) by vasquez.zip.com.au (8.9.2/8.9.1) with SMTP id HAA03894 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 07:24:50 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <001101bedd2e$74966500$be14083d@kalocsay> From: "Adrian Neilson Hall" To: Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 07:31:57 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Subject: [ido] Quale me konoceskis e lernis Ido Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hola amiki! Itere me sendis mesajo ante kontrolar ol. En mea depesho di 1= Augusto, me pregas vu substitucar la sequanti: hispanismo > hispaniso opo= rtas pozar "a" > oportas metar "a" (ne koncernesas vesti evidente) Segun me= a savo, la "a" > Segun mea sava a "a" S-ro Takata pozis la demando: "Ube = vu lernis vua bona Ido?" Nu, quale on povas vidar supre, vua afabla komplim= ento esas apene meritita. Tamen me respondos, nam tal historieti es ofte i= nteresanti. Men tre interesus simila naraci da altra idolistani. Me erste = konoceskis esperanto en la sudahemisfera printempo di 1977, kom studento ev= anta dek-e-ok yari. Me serchis lernolibro pri la franca por mea fratino en = centrurba librerio. Ibe inter rango di autodikaktal tomi, inter "Dutch" e "= French" mea okulon kaptis la vorto "Esperanto". Me foliumeskis e quik sedu= ktesis da la ideo di internaciona linguo. Mea konocesko kun Ido venis nur = tri monati pose. Me ja parstudiis "Teach Yourself Esperanto" e serchis altr= a libri en ta linguo. Esis preske nulo en Esperanto ipsa in la biblioteko d= i UNSW do me prenis autobuso al proxima Universitato di Sydney. Ibe en la s= epesma etajo me trovis ne nur kelka anciena verki literatural en Esperanto = (tradukita e original) ma anke fascinanta libro titulizita "Precis d'interl= inguitique" da M. Monnerot-Dumaine. E en ta rezuma historio dil internacion= a lingui helpanta, me lektis unesma-foye, ne nur menciono pri Ido, ma kelka= paragrafi di texto skribit en ta marveloza linguo. Oportis savar plu. Ye = la sequanta dio, en la statal biblioteko, granda centrurba instituto, me tr= ovis ol: "La Komplea Gramatiko Detaloza". Qual joyo me sentis, vidante la e= leganteso Idal : "chiuj tiuj kiuj" divenis "omni ti qui", "di/de/da" rempla= sis la ambigueso di "de" sola, la pari "avan/ante" e "dop/pos" seduktis, e= sis simetrio en la trakto di genro per "-ulo" e "-ino", e "des-" remplasis = "mal-". Ma la kozo la plu luranta esis sendube - la principo di inversigebl= eso. Esus multa punti qui tiklis me desagreable en Esperanto e Ido semblan= te solvis omni li. Savez tamen ke en ta epoko me tote ne konciis ke existi= s ankore societo di Ido-parolanti. Por me Ido esis linguo qua apartenis al = ula pasinteso ne riobtenebla; linguo qua aparis, flamifis brile dum kelka y= ari e lore mortis. Me kredis ye la titulo de poemo esperantolingua da LM Ne= well "la lasta" (quo esis dedikita al lasta Idista poeto)". Me retroiris a= dheme, aboneskis kelka revui esperantal e komencis konstruktar modesta bibl= ioteko privata di verki originale skriptita en Esperanto; verki da Kalocsay= , Baghy, Schwartz, Szilagyi, Szathmari i.a. Mea deskovro dil literaturo Ida= l venis multe plu tarde..... (durigota) amike Adrian From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 923 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 18705 invoked by uid 7770); 2 Aug 1999 21:38:55 -0000 Received: from qg.egroups.com (HELO qg.findmail.com) (10.1.2.27) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 1999 21:38:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 10427 invoked from network); 2 Aug 1999 21:38:54 -0000 Received: from vasquez.zip.com.au (203.12.97.41) by qg.egroups.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 1999 21:38:54 -0000 Received: from kalocsay (cartman62.zip.com.au [61.8.20.190]) by vasquez.zip.com.au (8.9.2/8.9.1) with SMTP id HAA04144 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 07:30:15 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <001f01bedd2f$35f98920$be14083d@kalocsay> From: "Adrian Neilson Hall" To: Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 07:37:22 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Subject: [ido] eroro Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Itere me sendis mesajo ante kontrolar ol. En mea depesho di 3 Augusto, me p= regas vu substitucar la sequanto: titilis> tiklis (esperantajo) From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 924 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 16356 invoked by uid 7770); 2 Aug 1999 23:32:48 -0000 Received: from qg.egroups.com (HELO qg.findmail.com) (10.1.2.27) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 1999 23:32:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 5370 invoked from network); 2 Aug 1999 23:32:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO servidor.sipsa.com) (200.4.213.130) by qg.egroups.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 1999 23:32:48 -0000 Received: from jaime (inf013-p3.dnet.com.pe [200.37.98.13]) by servidor.sipsa.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2448.0) id PQH3F33J; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 18:45:15 -0500 Message-Id: <4.1.19990802182716.00b68ad0@mail.sipsa.com> X-Sender: jaime@mail.sipsa.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 18:30:20 -0500 To: idolisto@egroups.com From: Jaime Escobal McEvoy In-Reply-To: <000701bed7fb$1619b820$3cceb0c2@default> Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] Pacifar / Pacigar Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Kara Amiki, Ka on povas explikar la difero inter Pacifar e Pacigar? Dank= o Jaime Escobal Lima - Per=FA From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 925 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 29085 invoked by uid 7770); 2 Aug 1999 23:47:11 -0000 Received: from qh.egroups.com (HELO qh.findmail.com) (10.1.2.28) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 1999 23:47:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 28543 invoked from network); 2 Aug 1999 23:47:12 -0000 Received: from mga2.primo.co.jp (210.145.40.130) by qh.egroups.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 1999 23:47:12 -0000 Received: from mga2.primo.co.jp (unverified [210.145.40.140]) by mga2.primo.co.jp (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Tue, 03 Aug 1999 08:50:06 +0900 Message-ID: <002a01bedd40$51224b40$822891d2@primo.co.jp> From: "Bebson Y. TAKATA" To: "IDOLISTO" References: Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 08:38:39 +0900 Organization: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Subject: [ido] Sro Stephen L. RICE Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-2022-jp" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kara Sri Cibernauti:#1 Generalajo #2 Linguo #3 Politiko #4 Religio ============================================================================== Kara Sri Cibernauti:#1 Pri IFA e Sro Stephen L. RICE ============================================================================== Sro Stephen L. RICE ye kelka dii ante nun promisis a me verifikar la texti di IFA. E quik hodie lu ja sendabas a me la proburi di IFA00-12. Ne sole probis ma anke korektigis lu multaloke mea mala Angla e donis ya utila sugestaji. La rezulto kompreneble esas tre satisfacanta por amba Britaniani ed USAani. Pro ke nula Britaniani interesesas da facar la lernolibro di Ido en l'Angla, forsan lu e me e kelka altri koaktesos kompletigar la libro sur InterReto. ============================================================================== Kara Sro Stephen L. RICE:#1 Multa danki a vu! Ka vu ja esas fatigita? ============================================================================== Quankam me ne povas 100%-e konkordar kun vua filozofio pri lernolibri linguala, semblas ke ni kune povus facar plu ideala lernolibro por Angle-parolanti. Vua filozofio es ta di Thoreau "Simplify, simplify, simplify!" dum ke la mea, kom Kungfuismo da mastro a serioza lernanti, esas "Go through hardships!". Kom Kungfuisto me citis tro multa nomi de la homala korpo, nam me mustas frapar irga parto kande luktar ma vu esas justa, la nomi tro abundas por la libro. Me anke savis ke multa personi lernas Ido sen apta dicionarii, do me facis la libro esar plenigita per tam multa vorti kam posible ma kontre vua jeno. To quon vu instruktis a me, nam me es needukito, igis me bone ripensar ke la multa materii mustos transportesar ad "advanced lessons". Multa danko. Ka vu ne dezirus riskribar kelka parti de la libro segun vua ideo o filozofio por ke MEM la lejera lernanti povez FACILE lernar Ido? E vu pluse povus mem efacar la tro pezoza kargajo de la libro por "put the book on a GOOD diet". Me forte esperas ke vu decidos adjuntar vu ad ecitanta fabrikado di la libro. Ma me anke forte kredas ke vua tempo esencale e filozofiale esas vua. Ayyayya! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Adio! .....sincere via, B.Y.T. .....Idisto ed Idiotisto pro mea limitizita edukado ed anke Ido-Kavaliero e shinko-aktoro di Teatro FilozofiACHala ============================================================================== Pliz* indikez mea erori pri vorti, gramatiko, dicmaniero ec., nam me esas nura ne-edukito e devas lernar dum ke me vivas. Me sempre esperas, samideani, via amikeso por EXTRA prenar peno de via parto por instruktar me, qua durstas ye savo ulaspecala. Tamen en rara kazo kande me savas plu bone kam vi, me volunte transdonos mea humila savo a vi segun via bezoni. ============================================================================== From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 926 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 31722 invoked by uid 7770); 3 Aug 1999 01:08:04 -0000 Received: from qh.egroups.com (HELO qh.findmail.com) (10.1.2.28) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 1999 01:08:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 14740 invoked from network); 3 Aug 1999 01:08:02 -0000 Received: from vasquez.zip.com.au (203.12.97.41) by qh.egroups.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 1999 01:08:02 -0000 Received: from kalocsay (cartman62.zip.com.au [61.8.20.190]) by vasquez.zip.com.au (8.9.2/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA18218 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 10:59:25 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <008501bedd4c$6edec9e0$be14083d@kalocsay> From: "Adrian Neilson Hall" To: References: <4.1.19990802182716.00b68ad0@mail.sipsa.com> Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 11:06:33 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Subject: [ido] Re: Pacifar / Pacigar Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Saluti ad omni Jaime Escobal McEvoy skribis: > Ka on povas explikar la d= ifero inter Pacifar e Pacigar? Yen simpla (forsan trosimpligita) respondo= : "La Prezidento pacigis la naciono" "Kristo pacifis" Ka vu vidas la dife= ro? Ne estas objekto en la duesma frazo. Kristo exudis paco omnube ma a nul= a aparta kozo o popolo o persono. Simile, "la brulanta ligno flamifis dum = kelka momenti" ma "la alumeto flamizis la paperpeco" Pacizar o Pacigar? Ye= n altra questiono. amike Adrian From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 927 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 3728 invoked by uid 7770); 3 Aug 1999 01:13:45 -0000 Received: from qg.egroups.com (HELO qg.findmail.com) (10.1.2.27) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 1999 01:13:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 29884 invoked from network); 3 Aug 1999 01:13:44 -0000 Received: from vasquez.zip.com.au (203.12.97.41) by qg.egroups.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 1999 01:13:44 -0000 Received: from kalocsay (cartman62.zip.com.au [61.8.20.190]) by vasquez.zip.com.au (8.9.2/8.9.1) with SMTP id LAA18522 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 11:05:06 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <009901bedd4d$3a77c2a0$be14083d@kalocsay> From: "Adrian Neilson Hall" To: Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 11:12:15 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Subject: [ido] eroro Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable perdonez me en mea depesho "Quale me konceskis Ido", bonvole lektez: "la = kozo la maxim luranta" vice "la kozo la plu luranta" amike Adrian From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 928 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 10342 invoked by uid 7770); 3 Aug 1999 01:22:02 -0000 Received: from qh.egroups.com (HELO qh.findmail.com) (10.1.2.28) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 1999 01:22:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 18000 invoked from network); 3 Aug 1999 01:22:01 -0000 Received: from vasquez.zip.com.au (203.12.97.41) by qh.egroups.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 1999 01:22:01 -0000 Received: from kalocsay (cartman62.zip.com.au [61.8.20.190]) by vasquez.zip.com.au (8.9.2/8.9.1) with SMTP id LAA19035 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 11:13:24 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <00a101bedd4e$63128be0$be14083d@kalocsay> From: "Adrian Neilson Hall" To: Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 11:20:32 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Subject: [ido] pri la radiko 'revers-' Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 929 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 16318 invoked by uid 7770); 3 Aug 1999 01:30:39 -0000 Received: from qh.egroups.com (HELO qh.findmail.com) (10.1.2.28) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 1999 01:30:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 19725 invoked from network); 3 Aug 1999 01:30:35 -0000 Received: from vasquez.zip.com.au (203.12.97.41) by qh.egroups.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 1999 01:30:35 -0000 Received: from kalocsay (cartman62.zip.com.au [61.8.20.190]) by vasquez.zip.com.au (8.9.2/8.9.1) with SMTP id LAA19654 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 11:21:58 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <00a701bedd4f$954da080$be14083d@kalocsay> From: "Adrian Neilson Hall" To: Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 11:29:06 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Subject: [ido] pri la radiko 'revers' Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Amiki Bonvole efacez la quik antea mesajo. Desfelice, me pulsis la buton "= sendar" erore, ante skribar la kontenajo. Ka "revers-*" hava longa tradici= ono en Ido? Me remarkis ke kelka Idolistani aludas a "la principo di revers= ebleso*". Tamen, la dicionario di Dyer donas "inversigar" quale tradukuro = di "to reverse". E "revers-*" enlistigesas nek en ta dicionario nek en la "= Lexiko di Nova Vorti" di De cock. varme Adrian From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 930 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 26246 invoked by uid 7770); 3 Aug 1999 05:00:23 -0000 Received: from qh.egroups.com (HELO qh.findmail.com) (10.1.2.28) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 1999 05:00:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 3139 invoked from network); 3 Aug 1999 05:00:22 -0000 Received: from mga2.primo.co.jp (210.145.40.130) by qh.egroups.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 1999 05:00:22 -0000 Received: from mga2.primo.co.jp (unverified [210.145.40.140]) by mga2.primo.co.jp (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Tue, 03 Aug 1999 14:03:17 +0900 Message-ID: <001d01bedd6c$1192ea80$8c2891d2@primo.co.jp> From: "Bebson Y. TAKATA" To: "IDOLISTO" References: Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 13:51:12 +0900 Organization: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Subject: [ido] Me esis Esperantisto. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-2022-jp" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kara Sri Cibernauti:#1 Generalajo #2 Linguo #3 Politiko #4 Religio ============================================================================== Kara Sro Joost WITTEVEEN:#1 Regretinde me ne pluse parolas Esperanto. ============================================================================== Quankam me esis Esperantisto dum 35 yari, nun me povas nur lektar Esperanto ma ne povas skribar olu, nam omnadie me multe esforcas obliviar mea Esperanto, qua sempre maligas mea kara Ido. Me bezonas nur Ido por mea saneso mentala. Wat baten kaars en bril, als de uil niet zien en wil. Bebson is de uil. (^_^) ============================================================================== Kara Sro Adrian Neilson HALL:#1 Vu ya naracas tre e plu bone kam argumentas. ============================================================================== Vua rakonto(segun la defino di la Franca, ne Idala) quale vu lernis vua Ido es ecitanta por me, nam anke me lernis Esperanto per Teach Yourself Esperanto, kande me evis dek-e-quar o tri? yari; mea patro parolis kelka lingui che ni. Tamen lektar Kalocsay sempre dormigis me, nam me odias kozi komplexa ed ilu es tala erudito ke nur inteligenti povas komprenar lua argumenti en lua libri. Quankam komplexa la China linguo klasika, me prizas plu squar la "logikego" di antiqua Chini kam esforcante komprenar la logiko da Kalocsay, granda Esptst. Me sempre sentas ke mea penso fluas e flugas multe plu libermaniere tra Ido kam tra Esperanto, forsan pro ke Ido vere aspektas quaze-naturala linguo por me dum ke che Esperanto me nule povas fugar olua forte odoranta artificaleso. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Adio! .....sincere via, B.Y.T. .....Idisto ed Idiotisto pro mea limitizita edukado ed anke Ido-Kavaliero kun abundanta hucpo* e numeroza erori ============================================================================== Pliz* indikez mea erori pri vorti, gramatiko, dicmaniero ec., nam me esas nura ne-edukito e devas lernar dum ke me vivas. Me sempre esperas, samideani, via amikeso por EXTRA prenar peno de via parto por instruktar me, qua durstas ye savo ulaspecala. Tamen en rara kazo kande me savas plu bone kam vi, me volunte transdonos mea humila savo a vi segun via bezoni. ============================================================================== From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 931 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 10753 invoked by uid 7770); 3 Aug 1999 10:06:44 -0000 Received: from qg.egroups.com (HELO qg.findmail.com) (10.1.2.27) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 1999 10:06:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 5346 invoked from network); 3 Aug 1999 10:06:44 -0000 Received: from law-f195.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (209.185.130.105) by qg.egroups.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 1999 10:06:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 70164 invoked by uid 0); 3 Aug 1999 10:06:44 -0000 Message-ID: <19990803100644.70163.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 159.15.128.3 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 03 Aug 1999 03:06:44 PDT From: "James Chandler" To: idolisto@egroups.com Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 10:06:44 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] altra ideo Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kar amiki La mesajo de sro Laptsionak donis a me altra ideo por solvar la nuna disputo che Idolisto. Vice krear nova listo ube lingual diskuti _ne_ es permisata, esus plu bona establisar nova listo _specale por_ lingual diskuti. Tale ni povus diminutar la lingual diskuti (aparte le longa) hike, provizar forumo por lingual diskuti, e sro M. ed altra stabilisti ne bezonus abonar la nova listo. Quale antee, me ne opinionas ke nova listo es bezonata, ma se on kreos nova listo, ica metodo esus multe min riskoza. Kordiale, James Chandler idojc@hotmail.com http://yi.com/home/ChandlerJames http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Forum/5037 ______________________________________________________ From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 932 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 149 invoked by uid 7770); 3 Aug 1999 12:40:02 -0000 Received: from qg.egroups.com (HELO qg.findmail.com) (10.1.2.27) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 1999 12:40:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 30969 invoked from network); 3 Aug 1999 12:39:49 -0000 Received: from besson.vip.uk.com (194.176.202.250) by qg.egroups.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 1999 12:39:49 -0000 Received: from vip-202-147.vip.uk.com ([194.176.202.147] helo=default) by besson.vip.uk.com with smtp (Exim 3.02 #2) id 11Bdqg-0001x0-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Tue, 03 Aug 1999 13:39:19 +0100 Message-ID: <000701beddab$b4219b40$93cab0c2@default> From: "wood" To: Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 13:27:11 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Subject: [ido] Ido Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0004_01BEDDB3.E4F50560" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BEDDB3.E4F500560 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Kar amiki ********************** James Chandler ********************** Me p= ensabas ke, p.e, 'flori =3D flowers' do 'flor =3D flower'. Per uzo d= il artiklo on povas klare indikar la substantivo -- 'la flor =3D the fl= ower'. Forsan ni povas konkordar ke praktiko es la probo? Probez omno: r= etenez lo bona. Amikale Tom Wood ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BEDDB3.E4F500560 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable content-type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1"
Kar amiki
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James Chandler
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Me pensabas ke, p.e, 'flori  =3D  flowers'  do  = 'flor  =3D  flower'.  Per uzo dil artiklo on povas klare in= dikar la substantivo  --  'la flor  =3D  the flower'.&= nbsp;
Forsan ni povas = ; konkordar ke praktiko es la probo?  Probez omno: retenez lo bona.
Amikale
<= FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>Tom Wood
------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BEDDB3.E4F500560-- From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 933 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 29244 invoked by uid 7770); 3 Aug 1999 15:07:30 -0000 Received: from qh.egroups.com (HELO qh.findmail.com) (10.1.2.28) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 1999 15:07:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 18721 invoked from network); 3 Aug 1999 15:07:29 -0000 Received: from farida.a2000.nl (HELO smtp1.a2000.nl) (62.108.1.19) by qh.egroups.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 1999 15:07:29 -0000 Received: from node118d7.a2000.nl ([24.132.24.215] helo=HansStuifbergen) by smtp1.a2000.nl with smtp (Exim 2.02 #4) id 11BgA3-0007SY-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 17:07:27 +0200 Message-ID: <000301beddc3$1b557860$d7188418@HansStuifbergen.a2000.nl> From: "Ido-Info" To: "idolisto" Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 17:16:05 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Subject: [ido] =?iso-8859-1?Q?Elementet_e_ghuh=EBs_Ido?= Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Adjuntesis plusa texti al Albaniana pagini pri Ido, per l' adreso infra. Saluti amikala, Hans St. ************************************************************* - Ido, linguo internaciona, absolute vizitez: http://members.tripod.com/~avancigado - nove: La Herisoni, rakonteto desegnita da Rymke, 56 pagini, fl. 2,50 / Euri 1,40 / 2 Intern. Kup. di Resp. / ...tre charmiva...(T. Carlevaro) ************************************************************* From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 934 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 915 invoked by uid 7770); 3 Aug 1999 15:13:04 -0000 Received: from qh.egroups.com (HELO qh.findmail.com) (10.1.2.28) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 1999 15:13:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 20081 invoked from network); 3 Aug 1999 15:13:03 -0000 Received: from farida.a2000.nl (HELO smtp1.a2000.nl) (62.108.1.19) by qh.egroups.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 1999 15:13:03 -0000 Received: from node118d7.a2000.nl ([24.132.24.215] helo=HansStuifbergen) by smtp1.a2000.nl with smtp (Exim 2.02 #4) id 11BgFR-0000Pp-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 17:13:01 +0200 Message-ID: <000e01beddc3$e28b6520$d7188418@HansStuifbergen.a2000.nl> From: "Ido-Info" To: Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 17:21:39 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Subject: [ido] Re: Pacifar / Pacigar Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit La difero inter la du, quale ja bone explikita da Adrian, anke povas esar explikata tale: -ig- konvertar (aden) -if- produktar Por exemplo: Me domigas ta buxo (se me kampus, o vagus, edc.) Me domifas (me produktas domo) Saluti amikala, Hans St. ************************************************************* - Ido, linguo internaciona, absolute vizitez: http://members.tripod.com/~avancigado - nove: La Herisoni, rakonteto desegnita da Rymke, 56 pagini, fl. 2,50 / Euri 1,40 / 2 Intern. Kup. di Resp. / ...tre charmiva...(T. Carlevaro) ************************************************************* From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 935 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@eGroups.com Received: (qmail 30206 invoked by uid 7770); 3 Aug 1999 16:22:55 -0000 Received: from qh.egroups.com (HELO qh.findmail.com) (10.1.2.28) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 1999 16:22:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 5496 invoked from network); 3 Aug 1999 16:22:54 -0000 Received: from mu.egroups.com (207.138.41.151) by qh.egroups.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 1999 16:22:54 -0000 Received: from [10.1.2.24] by mu.egroups.com with NNFMP; 03 Aug 1999 17:22:53 -0000 Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 09:22:50 -0700 From: idolinguo@geocities.com To: idolisto@eGroups.com Message-ID: <7o750q$ef5i@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <007601beda24$81696b40$0c14083d@kalocsay> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.76 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: www.eGroups.com Message Poster Subject: [ido] Re: Nova kodexi Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Kar amiki, Adrian skribis: > Quala bel jorno hike en Sydney (pos du seman= i di pluvo) Ico signifikas maxim probable ke vu lojas en Australia, ka ne?= Vu sendubite remarkis ke en la pagino du di Progreso trovesas listo dil l= andal reprezenteri di la Uniono por la Linguo Internaciona Ido (ULI). Me ko= rdiale invitas omna membri di idolisto kontrolar ka lua propra lando konten= esas en ol. Se ne, quale esas la kazo por Australia, Venezuela, Peru, ed ce= tera, ne hezitez skribar a la vice-prezidanto di ULI. Ilua adreso esas: Ja= cques Bol 80 Chauss=E9e des Gaulois B-1300 Wavre Belgia (Belgique) Ilua el= ektronika adreso esas jbol@skynet.be Maxim amike vin salutas Martin From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 936 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 7999 invoked by uid 7770); 3 Aug 1999 17:47:27 -0000 Received: from qh.egroups.com (HELO qh.findmail.com) (10.1.2.28) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 1999 17:47:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 27426 invoked from network); 3 Aug 1999 17:47:11 -0000 Received: from besson.vip.uk.com (194.176.202.250) by qh.egroups.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 1999 17:47:11 -0000 Received: from vip-202-122.vip.uk.com ([194.176.202.122] helo=default) by besson.vip.uk.com with smtp (Exim 3.02 #2) id 11BieT-00050P-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Tue, 03 Aug 1999 18:47:02 +0100 Message-ID: <000001beddd6$b0680720$7acab0c2@default> From: "wood" To: Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 15:55:46 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Subject: [ido] Altra ideo Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0028_01BEDDC8.A6AE6FC0" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ------=_NextPart_000_0028_01BEDDC8.A6AE66FC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Kar amiki *********************** James Chandler *********************** Me= pensas ke krear nova listo specale por lingual diskuti es ecelanta ideo. A= mikale Tom Wood ------=_NextPart_000_0028_01BEDDC8.A6AE66FC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable content-type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1"
Kar amiki
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James Chandler
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Me pensas ke krear nova listo specale por lingual diskuti es ecela= nta ideo.
Amikale
Tom  Wood
------=_NextPart_000_0028_01BEDDC8.A6AE66FC0-- From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 937 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 10 invoked by uid 7770); 3 Aug 1999 18:12:27 -0000 Received: from qg.egroups.com (HELO qg.findmail.com) (10.1.2.27) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 1999 18:12:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 21967 invoked from network); 3 Aug 1999 18:12:27 -0000 Received: from farida.a2000.nl (HELO smtp1.a2000.nl) (62.108.1.19) by qg.egroups.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 1999 18:12:27 -0000 Received: from node118d7.a2000.nl ([24.132.24.215] helo=HansStuifbergen) by smtp1.a2000.nl with smtp (Exim 2.02 #4) id 11Bj33-0000R9-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 20:12:25 +0200 Message-ID: <003c01bedddc$f2774940$d7188418@HansStuifbergen.a2000.nl> From: "Ido-Info" To: "idolisto" Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 20:21:03 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Subject: [ido] nova grupo Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kar amiki, Mediacante me J. Martignon kreis nova grupo, qua nomesas "Idala Stabilisto". L' e-postal adreso es: http://www.egroups.com/groups/idostab Sro. J. Martignon es l' administrero, e me la pseudoadministrero. To signifikas ke me reale administreras, ma me konsideras la grupo "Idala Stabilisto" kom grupo di sro. J. Martignon. Il ne povas administrar reale, pro ke il ne posedas komputoro ma ula aparato per qua il nur povas recevar e sendar e-posto. Il nun vakancas e me konjektas ke il deziris vartar publikigar l' existo di ta grupo kande il retrovenas, ck. la 24ma di agosto. Do, me esperas esir informinta vi suficante, Saluti amikala, Hans St. ************************************************************* - Ido, linguo internaciona, absolute vizitez: http://members.tripod.com/~avancigado - nove: La Herisoni, rakonteto desegnita da Rymke, 56 pagini, fl. 2,50 / Euri 1,40 / 2 Intern. Kup. di Resp. / ...tre charmiva...(T. Carlevaro) ************************************************************* From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 938 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 5469 invoked by uid 7770); 3 Aug 1999 20:13:27 -0000 Received: from qg.egroups.com (HELO qg.findmail.com) (10.1.2.27) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 1999 20:13:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 20720 invoked from network); 3 Aug 1999 20:13:28 -0000 Received: from law-f302.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (209.185.130.91) by qg.egroups.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 1999 20:13:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 88061 invoked by uid 0); 3 Aug 1999 20:13:27 -0000 Message-ID: <19990803201327.88060.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 194.83.240.16 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 03 Aug 1999 13:13:27 PDT From: "James Chandler" To: idolisto@egroups.com Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 20:13:27 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] Fwd: nova grupo Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kar amiki e kara sro Stuifbergen Ka sro M. ne devas konsiderar mea alternativa propozo, ante ke plusa Idolisto es establisata? Me ne objecionas kontre l'existo di diversa skoli en nia movemento*, ma me vere timas ke Ido ne povas sustenar du Idolisti catempe. Pluse, esas bone establisita principo che posto-listi ed altra retal forumi, ke kande certena membri objecionas kontre latero di la diskuti, se la problemi e konflikti divenas tro grava, nova listo es kreata por hemizar la partikulara problemoza diskuti. Tre bona exemplo es la listo Conlang (konstruktita lingui), che qua multa membri divenis tre deskontenta pri por- e kontre-Esperanta mesaji (kelka yari ante nun), ke listo Auxlang esis kreata por ta diskuti. Nun Auxlang es sate sucesoza listo aparta de Conlang. Me propozas nova listo: Linguolisto, por la lingual diskuti qui, agnoskende, povas esar tre longa e mem tedanta por kelka homi. Kordiale, James Chandler idojc@hotmail.com http://yi.com/home/ChandlerJames http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Forum/5037 ______________________________________________________ From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 939 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 11271 invoked by uid 7770); 3 Aug 1999 20:20:21 -0000 Received: from qg.egroups.com (HELO qg.findmail.com) (10.1.2.27) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 1999 20:20:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 22440 invoked from network); 3 Aug 1999 20:20:22 -0000 Received: from law-f265.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (209.185.130.181) by qg.egroups.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 1999 20:20:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 49281 invoked by uid 0); 3 Aug 1999 20:20:22 -0000 Message-ID: <19990803202022.49280.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 194.83.240.16 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 03 Aug 1999 13:20:22 PDT From: "James Chandler" To: idolisto@egroups.com Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 20:20:22 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] Fwd: Ido Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit T. Wood skribis: >Me pensabas ke, p.e, 'flori = flowers' do 'flor = flower'. En Ido, segun mea kompreno, -o indikas singulara sb., -i plurala sb. Pro quo la radiko devas indikar la singulara plu multe kam la plurala? En Novial, simpla radiko indikas nedefinita nombro, quale existas en la chiniana e japoniana. >Per uzo dil artiklo on povas klare indikar la substantivo -- 'la flor = >the flower'. En Ido, la def. art. es uzata min multe kam en la franca, exemple ni dicas: naturo, vice "la nature", ec. Pluse esas nula nedefinita art. en Ido. >Forsan ni povas konkordar ke praktiko es la probo? Probez omno: retenez lo >bona. Icakaze, me ne povus permisar probo che Idolisto. Ol efektikgus kaoso, segun mea prevido. Forsan sri St. e Kasper pensas diferante, ma to ne es tre probabla. Kordiale, James Chandler idojc@hotmail.com http://yi.com/home/ChandlerJames http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Forum/5037 ______________________________________________________ From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 940 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 9961 invoked by uid 7770); 4 Aug 1999 08:44:01 -0000 Received: from qh.egroups.com (HELO qh.findmail.com) (10.1.2.28) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 1999 08:44:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 626 invoked from network); 4 Aug 1999 08:44:01 -0000 Received: from farida.a2000.nl (HELO smtp1.a2000.nl) (62.108.1.19) by qh.egroups.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 1999 08:44:01 -0000 Received: from node118d7.a2000.nl ([24.132.24.215] helo=HansStuifbergen) by smtp1.a2000.nl with smtp (Exim 2.02 #4) id 11BweW-0005lu-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 10:44:00 +0200 Message-ID: <000901bede56$b46c4220$d7188418@HansStuifbergen.a2000.nl> From: "Ido-Info" To: Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 10:52:37 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Subject: [ido] Re: Fwd: nova grupo Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kar amiko James, Sro. J. Martignon, expresis a me la deziro komencar propra grupo por evitar la linguala diskuti. Pro ke il ne posedas komputoro me esis komplezanta krear ta grupo segun lua deziro e direktivi. La grupo me quik kreis por lu, mem ante la "debato" eruptis pri la neceseso di tala grupo. Nur esis l' intenco vartar la publikigo di la grupo. Cirkonstanci koaktis me prepublikigar olua existo. J. Martignon vakancas e deziris publikigar sua grupo pos sua vakanco. La politiko di sua grupo es ke es permisata skribar pri omno ultre lingual aferi e politiko. To signifikas ke en Idolisto on povas skribar pri lingual aferi, ma anke pri altra aferi, nam Idolisto ne havas politiko qua imperas a ni ne parolar pri certen aferi. Bone, l' adreso di la grupo Idala Stabilisto es: http://www.egroups.com/group/idostab/ Saluti amikala, Hans St. ************************************************************* - Ido, linguo internaciona, absolute vizitez: http://members.tripod.com/~avancigado - nove: La Herisoni, rakonteto desegnita da Rymke, 56 pagini, fl. 2,50 / Euri 1,40 / 2 Intern. Kup. di Resp. / ...tre charmiva...(T. Carlevaro) ************************************************************* -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: James Chandler Aan: idolisto@egroups.com Datum: dinsdag 3 augustus 1999 22:12 Onderwerp: [ido] Fwd: nova grupo >Kar amiki e kara sro Stuifbergen > >Ka sro M. ne devas konsiderar mea alternativa propozo, ante ke plusa >Idolisto es establisata? Me ne objecionas kontre l'existo di diversa skoli >en nia movemento*, ma me vere timas ke Ido ne povas sustenar du Idolisti >catempe. > >Pluse, esas bone establisita principo che posto-listi ed altra retal forumi, >ke kande certena membri objecionas kontre latero di la diskuti, se la >problemi e konflikti divenas tro grava, nova listo es kreata por hemizar la >partikulara problemoza diskuti. Tre bona exemplo es la listo Conlang >(konstruktita lingui), che qua multa membri divenis tre deskontenta pri por- >e kontre-Esperanta mesaji (kelka yari ante nun), ke listo Auxlang esis >kreata por ta diskuti. Nun Auxlang es sate sucesoza listo aparta de >Conlang. > >Me propozas nova listo: Linguolisto, por la lingual diskuti qui, agnoskende, >povas esar tre longa e mem tedanta por kelka homi. > >Kordiale, > >James Chandler >idojc@hotmail.com >http://yi.com/home/ChandlerJames >http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Forum/5037 > > >______________________________________________________ > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >MyPoints-Free Rewards When You're Online. >Start with up to 150 Points for joining! >http://clickhere.egroups.com/click/630 > > >eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto >http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications > > > > > From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 941 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 31177 invoked by uid 7770); 4 Aug 1999 09:14:46 -0000 Received: from qg.egroups.com (HELO qg.findmail.com) (10.1.2.27) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 1999 09:14:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 88 invoked from network); 4 Aug 1999 09:14:46 -0000 Received: from law-f153.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (209.185.131.216) by qg.egroups.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 1999 09:14:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 38501 invoked by uid 0); 4 Aug 1999 09:14:46 -0000 Message-ID: <19990804091446.38500.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 159.15.128.3 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 04 Aug 1999 02:14:38 PDT From: "James Chandler" To: idolisto@egroups.com Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 09:14:38 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] nova listo Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kar amiki Me tre regretas ke on ne povas kune decidar per diskuto la futuro di nia movemento*. Me komprenas ke Hans nur agas segun la prego di sro M., pro ke sro M. ne posedas plena komputilo*. Ma me esperas tre sincere ke kande sro M. retrovenos de vakanco, il konsideras la situaciono* e la danjero por nia linguo se il sucesos establisar konkurencanta listo. Me ne esabas dogmatal pri ca afero. Me probas alejar la konflikto per propozar altra voyo qua semblas plu saja. Se lingual diskuti deskontentigas ti quin li ne interesas, ni movez la lingual diskuti ad altra loko, ne movez la precipua funcioni pro nesuficanta motivo. Pos to, lingual diskuti povus esar quaze interdiktata hike; to es, kande li komencus, ni dicus: hike ne es la loko por ta diskuti, prego prenez oli a Linguolisto. L'experienco che Conlang pruvas ke tala aranjo funcionas. Me probas solvar ica problemo racionoze. Esperende sro M. voluntos konsiderar ol kun apertita mento, vice exekutar unlatera demarsho. Kordiale, James Chandler idojc@hotmail.com http://yi.com/home/ChandlerJames http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Forum/5037 ______________________________________________________ From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 942 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 522 invoked by uid 7770); 4 Aug 1999 17:02:21 -0000 Received: from qg.egroups.com (HELO qg.findmail.com) (10.1.2.27) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 1999 17:02:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 17795 invoked from network); 4 Aug 1999 17:02:16 -0000 Received: from mail.utfors.se (195.58.103.125) by qg.egroups.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 1999 17:02:16 -0000 Received: from md469076b.utfors.se (md469076b.utfors.se [212.105.7.107]) by mail.utfors.se (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id TAA21352 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 19:02:11 +0200 (MET DST) To: idolisto@egroups.com In-Reply-To: <001b01bed692$68d4d320$d7188418@HansStuifbergen.a2000.nl> From: loerne@ling.gu.se (Christer Loernemark) Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 19:03:35 +0100 Message-ID: <19990804190335509414@md469076b.utfors.se> Organization: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?G=F6teborg?= University X-Mailer: MacSOUP 2.2b3 Subject: [ido] Re: exaspereso Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hans Stuifbergen skribis: > Me questionas me kad homi povus komprenar la Nederlandana, komparate al > Angla e Germana e Sueda. > > La Sueda es stranja fenomeno. Lektante por me ya es kelke posibla komprenar, > ma audante es tote altra afero! Me ne savas quale Suedi perceptas la > Nederlandana, ka li povas lektante komprenar kelke, same kam ni lia linguo, > Christer? Jes. >En Nederlando la Sueda es konsiderata tre drole sonanta linguo, > precipue la tele-novelo por infanti "Emil" grande impresis la populo > Nederlandana. Me supozas ke "Emil" es ta programo-serio bazita sur rakonti da Astrid Lindgren. En ta programaro la aktori parolas kun la pronunco dil regiono Smaaland (sudorienta Suedia) ibe eventas la intrigo. La maxim multa (o omni) ek ta aktori ne naskis en Smaaland, e do lernis ta pronunco por la aktoragado. La autentika dialekton li ne uzis; takaze Suedi de altra parti di la lando ne komprenus omno. Me esperas ke me ne insultas Nederlandani, ma me kredas ke la Suedi generale konsideras la Nederlandana sat lede sonanta linguo, precipue pro la ofta [x]-soni. (Me tamen ne savas pri ula explorajo pri la opinioni di Suedi pri stranjera lingui.) On foye dicas hike - joke - ke la Dani e la Nederlandani sufras pro ula guturala morbo. ;-) Komprenende to esas tre surfacala impreso. Irga linguo sonas bele se olun pronuncas bela muliero... (En "The Muppet Show" (Usana televizionala serio por infanti, kun parolanta pupei, facita ante plus kam 20 yari) existas koquisto qua, segun aserti en la programo, parolas la Sueda. Lua "enunci" esas sensenca, e meaimprese tote ne sonas Suede. Ma depos 20 yari multa Suedi kredas ke tale sonas la Sueda en la oreli di Usani.) Kom denaska parolanto dil Sueda esas por me desfacila savar la impresuro del Sueda che altri. La intonaciono ofte facas forta impreso a exterlandani: li opinionas ke ni kantas kande ni parolas en la Sueda. La tonala vort-acento esas famoza parto dil Sued-linguala intonaciono. Omna vorto kun du o plusa silabi apartenas a un ek du tonala vort-acenti. Cirkume 300 vorti en la Sueda esas identa ye omno ultre la ton-acento, qua distingas inter diferanta signifiki. Per la tonacento on distingas inter exemple "anden" (la anado) (kun acento I) e "anden" (la spirito) (kun acento II). Por ne-Suedo esas tre desfacila perceptar la difero. (Diferanta ton-acento sequigas ne nur diferi en la intonacionala kurvo, ma anke diferi di intenseso e di tempala traiti, ma la intonacionala parto esas la maxim remarkebla.) "Tele-novelo" esas Hispanismo, ka ne? "telenovela" Programserii quala "Dallas" ya esas tre longa e esas plu "romani" kam "noveli". Qua vorton on uzas? "televizionala folietono"? "sapon-opero"? :-) Saluti Christer L"ornemark From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 943 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 7217 invoked by uid 7770); 4 Aug 1999 22:00:50 -0000 Received: from qh.egroups.com (HELO qh.findmail.com) (10.1.2.28) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 1999 22:00:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 30373 invoked from network); 4 Aug 1999 22:00:49 -0000 Received: from mga2.primo.co.jp (210.145.40.130) by qh.egroups.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 1999 22:00:49 -0000 Received: from mga2.primo.co.jp (unverified [210.145.40.140]) by mga2.primo.co.jp (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Thu, 05 Aug 1999 07:03:54 +0900 Message-ID: <000b01bedec3$c7123200$822891d2@primo.co.jp> From: "Bebson Y. TAKATA" To: "IDOLISTO" References: Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 06:48:14 +0900 Organization: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Subject: [ido] Perro ladrador, poco mordedor Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-2022-jp" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kara Sri Cibernauti:#1 Generalajo #2 Linguo #3 Politiko #4 Religio o Filozofio ============================================================================== Kara Sri Cibernauti:#4 Perro ladrador, poco mordedor e kompreninde Chuang-tzu ============================================================================== Fang zhou er ji yuhe. You xuchuan laichu zhou. Sui you bianxin zhi ren bunu. You yiren zai jishang, ze hu zhangxi zhi. Yihu er buwen, yushi sanhu xie. Ze bi yi esheng shizhi. Xiang ye buhu er jin ye nuzhe. Xiang ye XU er jin ye SHI ye. Ren neng xuji yi youshi, qi shu nenghai zhi. Kande viro en sua batelo esforcas pasar fluvio ed ula vakua kanoto proximeskas e frapegas la lua, lu ne iracas stulte mem se lu ya esas facile iracebla. Ma kande ulo direktas la kanoto, lore la viro klamas por hauligar e jirigar ol. Se lua unesma klamo ne audesas, lu riklamas e se la duesma anke ne audesas, lu klamas triafoye ma icatempe iracante per torento de sordida maledikuri. Che la unesma kazo lu ne iracis, tamen nun che la duesma lu grande iracabas. Antee lu afrontis simpla vakueso, nun avan sua okuli lu okupeson renkontras. Se homo sucesus facar su kom vakua e vagus tra la mondo, qua ya povus nocar lu? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Mea mastro di Kungfu regretinde ma ed anke advere aspektis tre febla oludulo. Irgekande raskali senkauze VENDIS, tale dicas la Japoni, disputi a mea mastro, lu sempre ridetis ed exkuzis su avan li por ganar pardono de la raskali. Ma omna lua dicipli, inkluzante me, bone konocis ke lu povus ocidar li omni per sua feroca manufrapi quik inter kelka sekundi nur se lu vere voleskus. Forsan ja en ta tempo lu sucesis facar su kom tote vakua avan irga personi. Tamen kande uli vendis disputi a me, me parbatis li segun mea iraco e deziro. Lore mea mastro regardis me desestimante e dicis ke me esas stulta poltrono. Kande me rimemoras, me devas agnoskar ke me esis stulta. Ma me esas anke tala! Se onu vere esas poltrono, onu bezonas stulte pruvar ke lu ne esas tala. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Kande puerulo evanta 12 remas sua kanoto e misshokas vua batelo, ka vu iracas? En Japonia omnu prenus la konduto di Sro Daniel ALEGRETT kom ta di puerulo, nam lua mento esas puerala, e me ne povas komprenar pro quo Sro Jean MARTIGNON, grande kulturoza Franco e responsiva adulto povas iracar de tala puerulaji. Tamen ankore nun me ne sucesas facar me kom vakua. Ka me esas sempre hucpoza*? ============================================================================== Beste vriend Kara Sro Hans STUIFBERGEN:#1 Me sempre volas esar mencho*. (^_^) ============================================================================== Voluntez sendar a me membrolisto di IDOLISTO, me esperas ke olu sempre kreskas, nam suficante stranje onu ankore ne povas vidar olu sur eGroups. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Adio! .....sincere via, B.Y.T. .....Idisto ed Idiotisto pro mea limitizita edukado ed anke Ido-Kavaliero e shinko-aktoro di Teatro FilozofiACHala ============================================================================== Pliz* indikez mea erori pri vorti, gramatiko, dicmaniero ec., nam me esas nura ne-edukito e devas lernar dum ke me vivas. Me sempre esperas, samideani, via amikeso por EXTRA prenar peno de via parto por instruktar me, qua durstas ye savo ulaspecala. Tamen en rara kazo kande me savas plu bone kam vi, me volunte transdonos mea humila savo a vi segun via bezoni. ============================================================================== From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 944 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 31862 invoked by uid 7770); 4 Aug 1999 23:51:41 -0000 Received: from qh.egroups.com (HELO qh.findmail.com) (10.1.2.28) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 1999 23:51:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 22166 invoked from network); 4 Aug 1999 23:51:41 -0000 Received: from new.sis.it (HELO dipobox.sis.it) (193.70.16.253) by qh.egroups.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 1999 23:51:41 -0000 Received: from lizard [193.70.17.42] with smtp by dipobox.sis.it with smtp (Smail-3.2.0.103 1998-Oct-9 #4 #4) id m11CDd2-000RBJC; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 01:51:36 -0100 (GMT+1) Message-Id: Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 01:51:36 -0100 (GMT+1) X-Sender: narcar@mailserver.sis.it X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 To: idolisto@egroups.com From: Carlo Nardini Subject: [ido] nov-mesajo Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kar amiki, me jus recevis la sequanta mesajo, de S.ro Carras: >Bon-vole Sro. Nardini, > Me nomesas David Carras. Me havas nov-mesajo per tuta idisti en la > e-group idolisto. > kordiale, > unidos1@ameritech.net me transmisas la sendajo a l'Idolisto, kaze ke l'administreri volez kontaktar la sendinto, quu forsan bezonas informi por komunikar kun la tota grupo. Kordiale Carlo Nardini From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 945 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 15253 invoked by uid 7770); 5 Aug 1999 00:50:03 -0000 Received: from qh.egroups.com (HELO qh.findmail.com) (10.1.2.28) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 1999 00:50:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 3275 invoked from network); 5 Aug 1999 00:50:03 -0000 Received: from mga2.primo.co.jp (210.145.40.130) by qh.egroups.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 1999 00:50:03 -0000 Received: from mga2.primo.co.jp (unverified [210.145.40.140]) by mga2.primo.co.jp (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Thu, 05 Aug 1999 09:53:09 +0900 Message-ID: <000901bededb$6be61f00$8c2891d2@primo.co.jp> From: "Bebson Y. TAKATA" To: "IDOLISTO" References: Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 09:39:47 +0900 Organization: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Subject: [ido] Mea mistaipuro quale sempre Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-2022-jp" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kara Sri Cibernauti:#1 Generalajo #2 Linguo #3 Politiko #4 Religio o Filozofio ============================================================================== Kara Sri Cibernauti:#4 Perro ladrador, poco mordedor e kompreninde Chuang-tzu ============================================================================== Me mistaipis* quale sempre pro mea frap-ebrieso kom imposto por Kungfuisto. Ma kande ulo direktas la kanoto, -> Ma kande ULU direktas la kanoto, Yiren, 'yige ren' en la moderna Mandarena China, signifikas 'ulu' ne 'ulo'. Chuang-tzu esas filozofo, qua kredesas vivar cirkum 3?? - 3?? a.k. en Chinia. Me renkontris tre numeroza Japoni, qui libere lektas Chuang-tzu en l'originala antiqua China linguo. Me bone konocis lia tre alta inteligenteso ma kande me audis lia "poor English", me ne bone povis kredar ye l'inteligenteso granda. Forsan l'Angla linguo ne esas apta kom pensoprogramo por lia granda cerebri. La Japona linguo esas extreme diferanta kam la tota Europana lingui ecepte la Hungariana, la Finlandana, la Baska e kelka altri. Ka vi povas kredar lo? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Adio! .....sincere via, B.Y.T. .....Idisto ed Idiotisto pro mea limitizita edukado ed anke Ido-Kavaliero e shinko-aktoro di Teatro FilozofiACHala ============================================================================== Pliz* indikez mea erori pri vorti, gramatiko, dicmaniero ec., nam me esas nura ne-edukito e devas lernar dum ke me vivas. Me sempre esperas, samideani, via amikeso por EXTRA prenar peno de via parto por instruktar me, qua durstas ye savo ulaspecala. Tamen en rara kazo kande me savas plu bone kam vi, me volunte transdonos mea humila savo a vi segun via bezoni. ============================================================================== From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 946 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 17831 invoked by uid 7770); 5 Aug 1999 00:52:59 -0000 Received: from qh.egroups.com (HELO qh.findmail.com) (10.1.2.28) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 1999 00:52:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 3991 invoked from network); 5 Aug 1999 00:52:57 -0000 Received: from vasquez.zip.com.au (203.12.97.41) by qh.egroups.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 1999 00:52:57 -0000 Received: from kalocsay (stan10.zip.com.au [61.8.17.10]) by vasquez.zip.com.au (8.9.2/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA07184 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 10:44:05 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <005a01bededc$a5bf4660$0a11083d@kalocsay> From: "Adrian Neilson Hall" To: References: <000b01bedec3$c7123200$822891d2@primo.co.jp> Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 10:51:23 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Subject: [ido] Re: Perro ladrador, poco mordedor Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Amikal saluti ad omni No, Bebson. (Ka me darfas uzar vua prenomo?) Vu ne e= sis hucpoza. Me tre juis vua filozofio homatene. Ni ne iracez avan (o kora= m) insulti real o perceptita. Ni forpulsez senklame la vakua batelo. Anke = interesis me la expresuro "torento de sordida maledikuri". Hans skribis sim= ilajo en recenta mesajo - "ondo de varmegeso". Ibe vi instruktis ulo grava = a me. Pos konsultir "la Kompleta Detaloza" me konstatis ke estas duesma uzo= di la prepoziciono "de" - por indikar mezuro. Do mea menciono en recenta = depesho di "semano di pluvo" devabis esar "semano de pluvo". Me dankas Ko= rdiale Adrian From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 947 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 29902 invoked by uid 7770); 5 Aug 1999 01:07:07 -0000 Received: from qh.egroups.com (HELO qh.findmail.com) (10.1.2.28) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 1999 01:07:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 7241 invoked from network); 5 Aug 1999 01:07:06 -0000 Received: from vasquez.zip.com.au (203.12.97.41) by qh.egroups.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 1999 01:07:06 -0000 Received: from kalocsay (stan10.zip.com.au [61.8.17.10]) by vasquez.zip.com.au (8.9.2/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA08251 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 10:58:15 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <007701bedede$9e80cde0$0a11083d@kalocsay> From: "Adrian Neilson Hall" To: Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 11:05:30 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Subject: [ido] erori Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable bonvole lektez: esas duesma uzo (> estas duesma uzo ) devis esar (> devab= is esar) From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 948 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 2527 invoked by uid 7770); 5 Aug 1999 01:48:58 -0000 Received: from qg.egroups.com (HELO qg.findmail.com) (10.1.2.27) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 1999 01:48:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 18589 invoked from network); 5 Aug 1999 01:48:55 -0000 Received: from mga2.primo.co.jp (210.145.40.130) by qg.egroups.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 1999 01:48:55 -0000 Received: from mga2.primo.co.jp (unverified [210.145.40.140]) by mga2.primo.co.jp (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Thu, 05 Aug 1999 10:51:58 +0900 Message-ID: <000901bedee3$a35a5020$822891d2@primo.co.jp> From: "Bebson Y. TAKATA" To: "IDOLISTO" References: Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 10:38:38 +0900 Organization: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Subject: [ido] Mea misgramatikajo quale sempre Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-2022-jp" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kara Sri Cibernauti:#1 Generalajo #2 Linguo #3 Politiko #4 Religio o Filozofio ============================================================================== Kara Sri Cibernauti:#4 Perro ladrador, poco mordedor e kompreninde Chuang-tzu ============================================================================== HoLala! Do me devas montrar plu bona gramatiko por Sro Adrian Neilson HALL! Chuang-tzu esas filozofo, qua kredesas vivar cirkum 3?? - 3?? a.k. en Chinia. -> kredesas vivar DUM cirkum 3?? - 3?? a.k. en Chinia. Pardonez me pliz*. Sro Adrian Neilson HALL: Tamen a vu mankas bone atencir mea vera hucpo*. (^_^;) Voluntez vokar me kom Bebson, kande vu deziras. To es perfekte okida por me! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Adio! .....sincere via, B.Y.T. .....Idisto ed Idiotisto pro mea limitizita edukado ed anke Ido-Kavaliero e shinko-aktoro di Teatro FilozofiACHala ============================================================================== Pliz* indikez mea erori pri vorti, gramatiko, dicmaniero ec., nam me esas nura ne-edukito e devas lernar dum ke me vivas. Me sempre esperas, samideani, via amikeso por EXTRA prenar peno de via parto por instruktar me, qua durstas ye savo ulaspecala. Tamen en rara kazo kande me savas plu bone kam vi, me volunte transdonos mea humila savo a vi segun via bezoni. ============================================================================== From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 949 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 16119 invoked by uid 7770); 5 Aug 1999 06:11:19 -0000 Received: from qh.egroups.com (HELO qh.findmail.com) (10.1.2.28) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 1999 06:11:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 12311 invoked from network); 5 Aug 1999 06:11:18 -0000 Received: from mout00.kundenserver.de (195.20.224.69) by qh.egroups.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 1999 06:11:18 -0000 Received: from [195.20.224.68] (helo=mx02.kundenserver.de) by mout00.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11CGkH-0004H7-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 08:11:17 +0200 Received: from [212.81.128.153] (helo=FrankKasper) by mx02.kundenserver.de with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11CGkD-0006JE-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 08:11:14 +0200 Message-ID: <000201bedf09$7c8bf7c0$998051d4@FrankKasper> From: "Frank Kasper" To: References: <19990804091446.38500.qmail@hotmail.com> Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 08:11:06 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Subject: [ido] Re: nova listo Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kara amiki! Yen kurta komento da me de mea vakanco-loko koncerne l'agado da Jean e Hans. Me devas konstatar, ke me tote konformas kun l'opiniono da James. Nia oficiala Ido-forumo per l'interreto depos preske tri yari esis ed esas Idol e pose Idolisto. Anke me quale James regardas nula neceseyo modifikar ta Ido-tradiciono. Ni nur difuzigas la homi per tala agado. Quale me ya kelkfoye mencionis anke a me ne prizas la linguala diskuti en nia forumo. Segun me tala diskuti esas tote sensencoza sen facar ol kun la komitato por linguala questioni dil ULI ed olua prezidero Robert Carnaghan. Me preferus, ke on instalez Ido-forumo por linguala questioni e diskuti sub la guidado da Robert Carnaghan. Omna altra talmaniera agadi segun mea opiniono tote ne helpas a nia movado. Me tote admiras la duranta aktivesi da Hans ed anke da Jean, ma me propozus, ke amba uzus lia entuziasmo por exemple reguloze editar lia revui e propagr nia kara linguo. Fine me ankore volas informar vi, ke me pos kelka minuti livos Anklam por irar ad Waldkappel a la sideyo dil Germana Ido-Societo por partoprenar la Ido-renkontro, ube me arivos dum ca posdimezo. Kordiala saluti a vi omni sendas Frank Kasper frank.kasper@idolinguo.de From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 950 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 25178 invoked by uid 7770); 5 Aug 1999 08:59:27 -0000 Received: from qg.egroups.com (HELO qg.findmail.com) (10.1.2.27) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 1999 08:59:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 11113 invoked from network); 5 Aug 1999 08:59:27 -0000 Received: from spartacus.a2000.nl (HELO smtp2.a2000.nl) (62.108.1.20) by qg.egroups.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 1999 08:59:27 -0000 Received: from node118d7.a2000.nl ([24.132.24.215] helo=HansStuifbergen) by smtp2.a2000.nl with smtp (Exim 2.02 #4) id 11CJN0-0003aZ-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 10:59:26 +0200 Message-ID: <002f01bedf22$081c3120$d7188418@HansStuifbergen.a2000.nl> From: "Ido-Info" To: Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 11:08:06 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Subject: [ido] Re: nov-mesajo Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kara Carlos Nardini, Danko pro vua mesajo, transsendita ad Idolisto. Me ipsa anke recevis simila mesajo da David Carras e kontaktos lu. Saluti amikala, Hans St. ************************************************************* - Ido, linguo internaciona, absolute vizitez: http://members.tripod.com/~avancigado - nove: La Herisoni, rakonteto desegnita da Rymke, 56 pagini, fl. 2,50 / Euri 1,40 / 2 Intern. Kup. di Resp. / ...tre charmiva...(T. Carlevaro) ************************************************************* -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: Carlo Nardini Aan: idolisto@egroups.com Datum: donderdag 5 augustus 1999 1:50 Onderwerp: [ido] nov-mesajo >Kar amiki, > > me jus recevis la sequanta mesajo, de S.ro Carras: > >>Bon-vole Sro. Nardini, >> Me nomesas David Carras. Me havas nov-mesajo per tuta idisti en la >> e-group idolisto. >> kordiale, >> unidos1@ameritech.net > > > > me transmisas la sendajo a l'Idolisto, kaze ke >l'administreri volez kontaktar la sendinto, quu forsan >bezonas informi por komunikar kun la tota grupo. > > Kordiale Carlo Nardini > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >MyPoints-Free Rewards When You're Online. >Start with up to 150 Points for joining! >http://clickhere.egroups.com/click/630 > > >eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/idolisto >http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications > > > > > From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 951 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 27090 invoked by uid 7770); 5 Aug 1999 09:06:42 -0000 Received: from qh.egroups.com (HELO qh.findmail.com) (10.1.2.28) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 1999 09:06:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 10728 invoked from network); 5 Aug 1999 09:06:42 -0000 Received: from spartacus.a2000.nl (HELO smtp2.a2000.nl) (62.108.1.20) by qh.egroups.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 1999 09:06:42 -0000 Received: from node118d7.a2000.nl ([24.132.24.215] helo=HansStuifbergen) by smtp2.a2000.nl with smtp (Exim 2.02 #4) id 11CJTp-0003uX-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 11:06:29 +0200 Message-ID: <003401bedf23$0439d160$d7188418@HansStuifbergen.a2000.nl> From: "Ido-Info" To: Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 11:15:09 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Subject: [ido] Re: nova listo Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kar amiki, kara James, Me komprenas la konsterno che Idolisto, e konkordas priparolar l' afero kun J. Martignon. Anke me ne es tro felica pro l' existo di du simila grupi, es konfundigiva. Dum la tempo me lasas existar l' altra grupo e vartos til J. Martignon retrovenas de sua vakanco. Se il es retroveninta, semblas a me esar maxim utila se ni diskutas pri to che Idolisto, ka ne? Saluti amikala, Hans St. ************************************************************* - Ido, linguo internaciona, absolute vizitez: http://members.tripod.com/~avancigado - nove: La Herisoni, rakonteto desegnita da Rymke, 56 pagini, fl. 2,50 / Euri 1,40 / 2 Intern. Kup. di Resp. / ...tre charmiva...(T. Carlevaro) ************************************************************* From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 952 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 9498 invoked by uid 7770); 5 Aug 1999 10:30:09 -0000 Received: from qh.egroups.com (HELO qh.findmail.com) (10.1.2.28) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 1999 10:30:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 23743 invoked from network); 5 Aug 1999 10:30:10 -0000 Received: from law-f280.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (209.185.130.196) by qh.egroups.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 1999 10:30:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 50518 invoked by uid 0); 5 Aug 1999 10:30:09 -0000 Message-ID: <19990805103009.50517.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 159.15.128.3 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 05 Aug 1999 03:30:09 PDT From: "James Chandler" To: idolisto@egroups.com Date: Thu, 05 Aug 1999 10:30:09 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] Linguolisto e R. Carnaghan Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kar amiki Me dankas sro Kasper pro lua kontributo a la debato pri nova listi. Pri R. Carnaghan, la lingual sekretario, ne semblas a me necesa ke il abonez linguala listo en la reto. Il abonas ica listo, ma esas nula sekreto ke il ne sequas omna mesaji o reguloze kontributas, pro manko di tempo (me anke sufras tarelate!). Linguolisto ne havus irga povo o yuro aprobar nova propozita formi, ol nur diskutus oli. La membri sempre povus transmisar sucesoza idei a sro Carnaghan por saveskar lua opiniono. En ideala mondo, sro C. adherus amba listi, ma omnu havas limiti ye sua libera tempo. To ne semblas a me esar obstaklo al existo di specala linguala listo. Kordiale, James Chandler idojc@hotmail.com http://yi.com/home/ChandlerJames http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Forum/5037 ______________________________________________________ From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 953 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 9573 invoked by uid 7770); 5 Aug 1999 10:30:17 -0000 Received: from qh.egroups.com (HELO qh.findmail.com) (10.1.2.28) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 1999 10:30:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 23769 invoked from network); 5 Aug 1999 10:30:17 -0000 Received: from spartacus.a2000.nl (HELO smtp2.a2000.nl) (62.108.1.20) by qh.egroups.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 1999 10:30:17 -0000 Received: from node118d7.a2000.nl ([24.132.24.215] helo=HansStuifbergen) by smtp2.a2000.nl with smtp (Exim 2.02 #4) id 11CKmu-0000eC-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 12:30:16 +0200 Message-ID: <006301bedf2e$b8e11140$d7188418@HansStuifbergen.a2000.nl> From: "Ido-Info" To: "idolisto" Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 12:38:57 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Subject: [ido] =?iso-8859-1?Q?Mencho;_v=E4n_Christer?= Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Zeer gewaardeerde vriend Tomodachi no Bebson Y. Takata 'Menchesar' o ne 'menchesar', ka to es la questiono? Oranda ni wa hajimete irasshata no desu ka? Koko ga o-kiniiri mashita ka? Hispana amiko di me questionis a me ka vu es duo: Bebson y Takata. Tre apreciata v�n Christer, Danko pro vua expliko pri la Sueda. Quale l' Usani paroligas la koquisto di la "Muppetshow", tale anke sonas la Sueda en nia oreli. Vua linguo por ni ne es leda, ma drola, amuzanta. No, me ne ofensesas se vu dicas ke la Nederlandana es ledasonanta por l' oreli di la Suedi, probable anke por altri. Gusti diferas, ka ne? Tamen, remarkinda es, ke me ya tre prizas la sono dil Arabiana, Hispana, Israeliana, ya pro la sono gutural. Ma to es gusto personala, nam multi preferas l' Italiana o Skota (quin me anke tre prizas). Mem la Chiniana facinas me, sempre itere kande me audas to parolata. Ke la Dana similesas la Nederlandana, sone, me ne savis. Hike on sempre pensas ke la Dana, Norvegiana e Sueda es lingui sonante la sama. Efektive, 'telenovelo' me 'pruntis' de la Hispana, me opinionas ke Ido povas uzar tele- kom prefixo por vorti relatanta lo televizionala o distala. Same kam 'e-' ofte es uzata kom prefixo por vorti relatanta l' interreto ed e-posto, kom abreviuro di 'elektronika'. Me ankore deziras savigar da omni ke hiere me recevis nova Ido-Saluto e hodie nova Letro Internaciona. Saluti amikala, Hans St. ************************************************************* - Ido, linguo internaciona, absolute vizitez: http://members.tripod.com/~avancigado - nove: La Herisoni, rakonteto desegnita da Rymke, 56 pagini, fl. 2,50 / Euri 1,40 / 2 Intern. Kup. di Resp. / ...tre charmiva...(T. Carlevaro) ************************************************************* From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 954 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 30094 invoked by uid 7770); 5 Aug 1999 13:19:59 -0000 Received: from qh.egroups.com (HELO qh.findmail.com) (10.1.2.28) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 1999 13:19:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 25594 invoked from network); 5 Aug 1999 13:19:57 -0000 Received: from besson.vip.uk.com (194.176.202.250) by qh.egroups.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 1999 13:19:57 -0000 Received: from vip-202-180.vip.uk.com ([194.176.202.180] helo=default) by besson.vip.uk.com with smtp (Exim 3.02 #2) id 11CNR4-0003DS-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Thu, 05 Aug 1999 14:19:55 +0100 Message-ID: <000001bedf43$b22dc720$b4cab0c2@default> From: "wood" To: Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 14:06:49 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Subject: [ido] Questiono Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0004_01BEDF4B.C2FC2BC0" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BEDF4B.C2FC22BC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Kar amiki Questiono Quale tradukar: The fl= owers that bloom in the spring ... 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------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BEDF4B.C2FC22BC0-- From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 955 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 27588 invoked by uid 7770); 5 Aug 1999 20:25:22 -0000 Received: from qh.egroups.com (HELO qh.findmail.com) (10.1.2.28) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 1999 20:25:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 6467 invoked from network); 5 Aug 1999 20:25:22 -0000 Received: from mu.egroups.com (207.138.41.151) by qh.egroups.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 1999 20:25:22 -0000 Received: from [10.1.2.26] by mu.egroups.com with NNFMP; 05 Aug 1999 21:25:21 -0000 Date: Thu, 05 Aug 1999 20:25:21 -0000 From: frank.kasper@idolinguo.de To: idolisto@egroups.com Message-ID: <7ocrvh+v3v9@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.76 Subject: [ido] Internaciona Ido-renkontro en Waldkappel-Burghofen (Germania) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit En sundio la 08ma di agosto esas la finala dio dil cayara amikala Ido-renkontro en Waldkappel-Burghofen Event: Internaciona Ido-renkontro en Waldkappel-Burghofen (Germania) Date: Sun Aug 08, 1999 Time: 10:00 am - 3:00 pm Description: To add this event to your personal calendar, simply click on this link: http://www.egroups.com/cal?md=accept&eid=178735 If you have any other comments, you can reply to this message. eGroups.com Calendar From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 956 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 31441 invoked by uid 7770); 5 Aug 1999 20:29:27 -0000 Received: from qg.egroups.com (HELO qg.findmail.com) (10.1.2.27) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 1999 20:29:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 16310 invoked from network); 5 Aug 1999 20:29:23 -0000 Received: from mout00.kundenserver.de (195.20.224.69) by qg.egroups.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 1999 20:29:23 -0000 Received: from [195.20.224.68] (helo=mx02.kundenserver.de) by mout00.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11CU8f-000093-00; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 22:29:21 +0200 Received: from [212.81.244.243] (helo=FrankKasper) by mx02.kundenserver.de with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11CU8Z-000653-00; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 22:29:16 +0200 Message-ID: <002601bedf81$5b94b480$f3f451d4@FrankKasper> From: "Frank Kasper" To: "Manfred Magin" , "Idolisto (Mesaji)" Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 22:05:00 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Subject: [ido] Re: Me arivis en Waldkappel Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kara amiki! Me volas informar vi, ke me pos sishora voyajo per treno atingis la renkontreyo dil cayara Ido-renkontro Waldkappel. Alfred e Heidi Neussner kelka minuti ante la 3a horo posdimeze queris me en la fervoyala staciono en Eschwege proxime ad Waldkappel. Dum nia unesma komuna kunveno en lia oficeyo ni recevis telefonado da nia Franca amiko Robert Pontnau. Lu informis ni, ke lu ya situesas veninte de Norvegia en Mez-Germania e pos sejorno sur tendeyo morge venos ad Waldkappel. Morge anke venos la prezidanto dil ULI, sioro Guenter Anton kun lua spozino, sioro Eberhard Scholz e probable anke sioro Tomm Todd ek USA. Pos mea arivo en Waldkappel Alfred montris a me l'aktuala edituri di "Ido-Vivo", "Ido-Saluti" e "Letro Internaciona", qua dissendeskis pos mea departo de Nuernberg. Me kordialege gratulas a la redakteri pro lia ecelentega laboro! Omna tri revui tre plezas a me e montras, ke nia movado quankam diversa problemi vivas. Durez ta sucesoza e valoroza laboro!!! Me ya komencis enkomputorigar l'"Letro Internaciona" e tre esperas, ke me povos interretigar ol dum l'unesma dii pos la Ido-renkontro. Okazione me ankorfoye volas repetar, ke me anke dum la Ido-renkontro restos ret-atingebla sub mea e-postala adreso. Pro to me ankorfoye voluntas kurajigar ti qui ankore ne facis lo sendar salutmesajo a la partoprenanti di nia renkontro a la sequanta e-postala adreso: Ido-Germania@online.de Regretinde hodie anke eventis eroro. Vi omni recevis mesajo de egroups relate la Ido-renkontro en Wuppertal-Neviges, quo fine ne eventos. Me anuncis ol ad egroups ante la nihiligo dil renkontro e tote obliviis ca afero dum mea vakanco en Anklam. Me pregas via pardono!! Do, me nun ankore deziras a vi omni agreabla tempo. Voluntez aceptar anke la maxim kordiala ed amikala saluti da Alfred e Heidi Neussner! Kun la maxim kordiala ed amikala saluti de la sideyo dil Germana Ido-Societo en Waldkappel-Burghofen! Frank Kasper frank.kasper@idolinguo.de From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 957 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 20821 invoked by uid 7770); 5 Aug 1999 21:31:19 -0000 Received: from qg.egroups.com (HELO qg.findmail.com) (10.1.2.27) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 1999 21:31:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 32166 invoked from network); 5 Aug 1999 21:31:17 -0000 Received: from vasquez.zip.com.au (203.12.97.41) by qg.egroups.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 1999 21:31:17 -0000 Received: from kalocsay (kenny91.zip.com.au [61.8.18.219]) by vasquez.zip.com.au (8.9.2/8.9.1) with SMTP id HAA08683 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 07:22:20 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <000901bedf89$a5e95b00$db12083d@kalocsay> From: "Adrian Neilson Hall" To: References: <000901bedee3$a35a5020$822891d2@primo.co.jp> Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 07:29:46 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Subject: [ido] Re: Mea misgramatikajo quale sempre Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Kar amiki A Bebson. Bon jorno. Vu skribis: > Voluntez vokar me kom Beb= son, kande vu deziras. To es perfekte okida por me! "Okida"? - ka vu bonvo= le explikus? Ka traktesas plusa jidajo hike? Kordiale Adrian From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 958 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 29993 invoked by uid 7770); 5 Aug 1999 21:39:38 -0000 Received: from qh.egroups.com (HELO qh.findmail.com) (10.1.2.28) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 1999 21:39:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 24789 invoked from network); 5 Aug 1999 21:39:35 -0000 Received: from vasquez.zip.com.au (203.12.97.41) by qh.egroups.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 1999 21:39:35 -0000 Received: from kalocsay (kenny91.zip.com.au [61.8.18.219]) by vasquez.zip.com.au (8.9.2/8.9.1) with SMTP id HAA09111 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 07:30:37 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <001a01bedf8a$ce6bba40$db12083d@kalocsay> From: "Adrian Neilson Hall" To: References: <000001bedf43$b22dc720$b4cab0c2@default> Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 07:38:03 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Subject: [ido] Re: Questiono Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Kar amiki Tom skribis: > Quale tradukar: The flowers that bloom in the s= pring Yen du posiblaji: La flori qui apertas su printempe La burjoni qu= i florifas printempe. Kordiale Adrian From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 959 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 3627 invoked by uid 7770); 6 Aug 1999 06:01:15 -0000 Received: from qh.egroups.com (HELO qh.findmail.com) (10.1.2.28) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 6 Aug 1999 06:01:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 5764 invoked from network); 6 Aug 1999 06:01:15 -0000 Received: from mga2.primo.co.jp (210.145.40.130) by qh.egroups.com with SMTP; 6 Aug 1999 06:01:15 -0000 Received: from mga2.primo.co.jp (unverified [210.145.40.140]) by mga2.primo.co.jp (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Fri, 06 Aug 1999 15:04:27 +0900 Message-ID: <008f01bedfd0$0e3ca680$8c2891d2@primo.co.jp> From: "Bebson Y. TAKATA" To: "IDOLISTO" References: Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 14:50:21 +0900 Organization: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Subject: [ido] Okida? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-2022-jp" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kara Sri Cibernauti:#1 Generalajo #2 Linguo #3 Politiko #4 Religio o Filozofio ============================================================================== Kara Sro Adrian Neilson HALL:#1 Pri okida* ....okeydoke? ============================================================================== Adrian, quankam kompreninde me kustumis vokar mea amiki per prenomi, ma nun me forte hipnotigesas, da la granda civilizeso Japona, vokar omni per Sro XXX, nam en Japonia mem inter intimi on dicas Sro XXX e lo charmegas me, hucpozo. Okida* esas la vorto, quan Sro Hans STUIFBERGEN olim fabrikis por Angla O.K. ============================================================================== Beste vriend Kara Sro Hans STUIFBERGEN:#1 Me sempre volas esar mencho*. (^_^) ============================================================================== Kompreninde me sempre es mencho*, nam me aparante dicis ke Sro Daniel ALEGRETT kun sua mento esas puerala, por ke onu generale ne darfas dicar la verajo. E vu oblivias sendor a me membrolisto di IDOLISTO e me vartas la listo hike. Hispana amiko di vu hazarde faliis vidar la punto dop Y en mea B.Y.T., ka ne? Dicez a lu pliz* "La pimienta es chica pero calienta." (^_^;;;) Adio's! ============================================================================== Kara Sro Stephen L. RICE:#1 Me dankas a vu grandagrade. Me lernegas de vu. ============================================================================== Vua recenta unesma e duesma letri a me esas multe INSTRUKTIVA por B.Y.T. Me esforcas skribar apta e gratitudoza respondo a vu pos kelka dii. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Adio! .....sincere via, B.Y.T. .....Idisto ed Idiotisto pro mea limitizita edukado ed anke Ido-Kavaliero e shinko-aktoro di Teatro FilozofiACHala ============================================================================== Pliz* indikez mea erori pri vorti, gramatiko, dicmaniero ec., nam me esas nura ne-edukito e devas lernar dum ke me vivas. Me sempre esperas, samideani, via amikeso por EXTRA prenar peno de via parto por instruktar me, qua durstas ye savo ulaspecala. Tamen en rara kazo kande me savas plu bone kam vi, me volunte transdonos mea humila savo a vi segun via bezoni. ============================================================================== From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 960 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 13885 invoked by uid 7770); 6 Aug 1999 10:45:19 -0000 Received: from qg.egroups.com (HELO qg.findmail.com) (10.1.2.27) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 6 Aug 1999 10:45:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 2253 invoked from network); 6 Aug 1999 10:45:19 -0000 Received: from law-f105.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (209.185.131.168) by qg.egroups.com with SMTP; 6 Aug 1999 10:45:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 14503 invoked by uid 0); 6 Aug 1999 10:45:19 -0000 Message-ID: <19990806104519.14502.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 159.15.128.3 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 06 Aug 1999 03:45:18 PDT From: "James Chandler" To: idolisto@egroups.com Date: Fri, 06 Aug 1999 10:45:18 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] listo; kunveno; revui Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kar amiki e kara sro St. Me es tre kontenta ke vu konsentas diskutar ica grava afero kun sro Martignon. Evidente nulo plusa povos eventar ante ke il retrovenos de vakanco. Lore me esperas ke il aceptos mea ideo di nova Linguolisto, ed abandonos sua projeto di stabilista forumo. (Me devas klarigar ke me ipsa ne povos administrar Linguolisto, adminime ne dum l'unesma kelka monati - me demandos (1) helpo pri ca tasko.) Me sendas mea maxim bona deziri a la kunveno en Waldkappel, quan Frank Kasper nun asistas. Me esperas ke ol esos sucesoza ed amikala renkontro. Anke me hiere recevis L.I. de sro M. Me rekomendas ica revuo ad omna amiki di la linguo internaciona. (1) angle: ask for, ne: demand ! Kordiale, James Chandler idojc@hotmail.com http://yi.com/home/ChandlerJames http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Forum/5037 ______________________________________________________ From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 961 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 17898 invoked by uid 7770); 6 Aug 1999 17:09:19 -0000 Received: from qg.egroups.com (HELO qg.findmail.com) (10.1.2.27) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 6 Aug 1999 17:09:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 3017 invoked from network); 6 Aug 1999 17:09:18 -0000 Received: from farida.a2000.nl (HELO smtp1.a2000.nl) (62.108.1.19) by qg.egroups.com with SMTP; 6 Aug 1999 17:09:18 -0000 Received: from node118d7.a2000.nl ([24.132.24.215] helo=HansStuifbergen) by smtp1.a2000.nl with smtp (Exim 2.02 #4) id 11CnUb-0000mj-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 19:09:17 +0200 Message-ID: <000601bee02f$a2470280$d7188418@HansStuifbergen.a2000.nl> From: "Ido-Info" To: "idolisto" Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 19:17:59 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Subject: [ido] Fw: Saluti al Ido-kunveno Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: donald gasper Aan: Ido.info@zap.A2000.nl CC: d_gasper@yahoo.com Datum: vrijdag 6 augustus 1999 18:49 Onderwerp: Saluti al Ido-kunveno >Kara Hans, > >Voluntez transdonar ad omna amiki qua asistos la mikra, neoficala kunveno di >Idisti mea max kordiala saluti. > >Me tre regretas ke me cafoye ne povas ipsa partoprenar, ma me deziras suceso >al kunveno. > >Amikale, > >Don Gasper > > >______________________________________________________ > From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 962 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 10582 invoked by uid 7770); 6 Aug 1999 18:54:42 -0000 Received: from qg.egroups.com (HELO qg.findmail.com) (10.1.2.27) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 6 Aug 1999 18:54:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 29663 invoked from network); 6 Aug 1999 18:54:42 -0000 Received: from rs5s2.datacenter.cha.cantv.net (200.44.32.55) by qg.egroups.com with SMTP; 6 Aug 1999 18:54:42 -0000 Received: from LALEGReTT (tc2r9-280.ras.cha.cantv.net [200.44.9.24]) by rs5s2.datacenter.cha.cantv.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1/1.0) with SMTP id OAA01007 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 14:54:38 -0400 (VET) Message-ID: <37AB2323.7462@cantv.net> Date: Fri, 06 Aug 1999 14:02:11 -0400 From: Luis Alberto Alegrett Ruiz Organization: AFI - Asesor�a Fiduciaria Integral X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: idolisto@egroups.com Subject: [ido] Recevita posto de Hans. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Kara Hans e kar idisti: Hans, me recevis hodie vua posto. Me recevis la "Gram�tica del Idioma Mundial Ido" da de Nadal e Ballester, e la "Peque�a Curso de la Lengua Internacional Ido" da Mart�nez Mart�n. Me multe joyas nam nun me povos lernar la linguo de la komenco, e ne per mea savo di la desbelega Espo, qua hodie esas linguo di fashistatra (?)organizaro. Me multe dankas vu. Me esas astonita nam mea patro apogas mea lernado di Ido, quankam il nultempe apogis e multe desprizis mea lernado di Espo, malgre il preske ne savas quo esas Esperanto, Ido, o irga interlinguo. Ka lu havis (?)prevido? Me pardonis qua esis pardoninda, e intencas rivenar ad Idolisto ed a la nova grupi, ma forsan ne balde, nam me ne havas telefonala (?)servo (me sendas ta mesajo per la telefono di la librerio di mea matro) e se me ne povas recevar la mesaji omna dii, me recevas preske 60 mesaji kande me povas dum la fino di la semano. Do, me pensas ke me ne abonos la grupi nun, ma kande me havez telefono, od en septembro, kande me rihavos mea propra retadreso che la universitato. Me vidos quo me facos. Rivenontala saluti, Daniel. From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 963 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@eGroups.com Received: (qmail 24645 invoked by uid 7770); 6 Aug 1999 19:46:36 -0000 Received: from qg.egroups.com (HELO qg.findmail.com) (10.1.2.27) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 6 Aug 1999 19:46:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 10324 invoked from network); 6 Aug 1999 19:46:37 -0000 Received: from mu.egroups.com (207.138.41.151) by qg.egroups.com with SMTP; 6 Aug 1999 19:46:37 -0000 Received: from [10.1.2.24] by mu.egroups.com with NNFMP; 06 Aug 1999 20:46:36 -0000 Date: Fri, 06 Aug 1999 12:46:30 -0700 From: idolinguo@geocities.com To: idolisto@eGroups.com Message-ID: <7ofe2m$j319@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.76 X-Mailer: www.eGroups.com Message Poster Subject: [ido] Progresi Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kar amiki, Maxim joye me lektis la mesaji ek diversa landi pri la aktivesi dil idisti: En Germania eventas Ido-renkontro, en Hispan-lingua landi Ido-studianti di Ido aparas, me recevis prego de afrikano retligita havar lernolibro dil linguo internaciona dil Delegitaro seque a invito membresar en francidol (qua nun havas non membri). Pri la renkontro en Germania, me pregas ke omna via diskuti koncentresos pri la fortigo dil Uniono por la Linguo Internaciona e difuzado dil linguo dil Delegitaro. Tre grava esas la frukti dil GIS e me gratulas sioro Frank Kasper helpante ica organizuro per la maxim nova komunikili. Me esas tre felica ke Daniel nun studias Ido (quankam il nun bonege savas ol skribe). ULI bezonegas la helpo di yuni qui garantias la futuro dil linguo internaciona Ido. Ka Daniel esas abonata a Progreso? Maxim amike vin salutas Martin From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 964 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@eGroups.com Received: (qmail 19640 invoked by uid 7770); 6 Aug 1999 20:52:20 -0000 Received: from qg.egroups.com (HELO qg.findmail.com) (10.1.2.27) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 6 Aug 1999 20:52:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 27391 invoked from network); 6 Aug 1999 20:52:19 -0000 Received: from mu.egroups.com (207.138.41.151) by qg.egroups.com with SMTP; 6 Aug 1999 20:52:19 -0000 Received: from [10.1.2.26] by mu.egroups.com with NNFMP; 06 Aug 1999 21:52:19 -0000 Date: Fri, 06 Aug 1999 13:52:17 -0700 From: lalegrett@cantv.net To: idolisto@eGroups.com Message-ID: <7ofhu0$p4bv@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <000b01bedec3$c7123200$822891d2@primo.co.jp> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.76 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: www.eGroups.com Message Poster Subject: [ido] Re: Perro ladrador, poco mordedor Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > Kande puerulo evanta 12 remas sua kanoto e misshokas vua batelo, ka vu ir= acas? > En Japonia omnu prenus la konduto di Sro Daniel ALEGRETT kom ta di = puerulo, nam > lua mento esas puerala, e me ne povas komprenar pro quo S= ro Jean MARTIGNON, > grande kulturoza Franco e responsiva adulto povas i= racar de tala puerulaji. > Tamen ankore nun me ne sucesas facar me kom vaku= a. Ka me esas sempre hucpoza*? Kara, ne dicez neveri, e ne anke stultaji := ) Me nultempe iracis!!! Quo me facis esis salvar mea vivo. Tala konduto me = vidis, revidis, vidas e vidadas en Esperantisti. Ka vu volas savar quo faci= s la Esperantisti a me? Olu ne esas tre bela (?)rakonto. "It's a horror pic= ture! Full of gore!" Me ne prizas (?)parolar pri to, ma forsan vu kompreneg= us pro quo me decidis livar la grupo. "Por qu=E9 en las guerras se usan tri= ncheras, pap=E1?" Vu savus. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > Beste vriend Kara Sro Hans STUIF= BERGEN:#1 Me sempre volas esar mencho*. (^_^) > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > Voluntez senda= r a me membrolisto di IDOLISTO, me esperas ke olu sempre kreskas, > nam = suficante stranje onu ankore ne povas vidar olu sur eGroups. Se qui (?)reg= as la grupo liberas la vido la membrolisto che eGroups.com, vu vidos tre st= ranja e ridinda (?)kozo! Ni perdos kelka membri qui ne sendas mesaji ad la = listo. "Cxu ne, Rub=E9n?" Ka vu savus pro quo, Takata-san? From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 965 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 22045 invoked by uid 7770); 7 Aug 1999 07:30:00 -0000 Received: from qh.egroups.com (HELO qh.findmail.com) (10.1.2.28) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 7 Aug 1999 07:30:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 25331 invoked from network); 7 Aug 1999 07:30:00 -0000 Received: from mout00.kundenserver.de (195.20.224.69) by qh.egroups.com with SMTP; 7 Aug 1999 07:30:00 -0000 Received: from [195.20.224.68] (helo=mx02.kundenserver.de) by mout00.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11D0vX-0001tf-00; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 09:29:59 +0200 Received: from [212.81.135.20] (helo=FrankKasper) by mx02.kundenserver.de with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11D0vU-0002pE-00; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 09:29:56 +0200 Message-ID: <001301bee0a6$d6208140$2ff651d4@FrankKasper> From: "Frank Kasper" To: "Idolisto (Mesaji)" , "Donald Gasper (Fax)" , =?iso-8859-1?Q?Claus_J._G=FCnkel?= , "Antoni Myszakowski" Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1999 09:30:17 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Subject: [ido] La maxim kordiala saluti de la Ido-renkontro en Waldkappel Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kara amiki! La partoprenanti de la cayara amikala Ido-renkontro en la sideyo dil Germana Ido-Societo en Waldkappel salutas vi omni maxim kordiale. Pos kelka minuti la prezidanto dil ULI Guenter Anton oficiale apertigos la re renkontro e pose komencos la diskuti. Pos kumuna dejuno en restorerio ni facos komuna exkurso a la proxima lora frontiero inter la olima GDR e West-Germania por regardar ibe muzeo koncerne ta olima frontiero e belega urbeto en la proximeso. Kordiale salutas vi omni! Guenter Anton, prezidanto dil ULI (Germania) lua spozinoVera Anton (Germania) Alfred Neussner (Germania) Heidi Neussner (Germania) Robert Pontnau (Francia) Eberhard Scholz (Germania) Manfred Magin (Germania) e Frank Kasper (Germania) L'e-postala adreso de nia renkontreyo esas: frank.kasper@idolinguo.de From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 966 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 78 invoked by uid 7770); 7 Aug 1999 11:00:15 -0000 Received: from qg.egroups.com (HELO qg.findmail.com) (10.1.2.27) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 7 Aug 1999 11:00:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 29456 invoked from network); 7 Aug 1999 11:00:15 -0000 Received: from law-f225.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (209.185.130.163) by qg.egroups.com with SMTP; 7 Aug 1999 11:00:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 80697 invoked by uid 0); 7 Aug 1999 11:00:15 -0000 Message-ID: <19990807110015.80696.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 159.15.128.3 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sat, 07 Aug 1999 04:00:14 PDT From: "James Chandler" To: idolisto@egroups.com Date: Sat, 07 Aug 1999 11:00:14 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] Fwd: Questiono Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tom Wood skribis: >Quale tradukar: The flowers that bloom in the spring ... La derivita verbo flor/if/ar tradukas l'angla verbi bloom/blossom (dicez: bluum, blosm). En angla ni ya povas dicar "flowers bloom in spring". Tamen en Ido, "flori florifas printempe" esus absurdajo. Evidente ta idala verbo ne povas esar uzata tale. Ma en Ido ni certe darfas dicar: la floroplanti qui florifas printempe (angle: the flowering plants that bloom in spring). Me supozas ke ca frazo suficus en reala kuntexti. Kordiale, James Chandler idojc@hotmail.com http://yi.com/home/ChandlerJames http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Forum/5037 ______________________________________________________ From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 967 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 1872 invoked by uid 7770); 7 Aug 1999 11:06:45 -0000 Received: from qg.egroups.com (HELO qg.findmail.com) (10.1.2.27) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 7 Aug 1999 11:06:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 30024 invoked from network); 7 Aug 1999 11:06:46 -0000 Received: from law-f133.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (209.185.131.196) by qg.egroups.com with SMTP; 7 Aug 1999 11:06:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 99867 invoked by uid 0); 7 Aug 1999 11:06:45 -0000 Message-ID: <19990807110645.99866.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 159.15.128.3 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sat, 07 Aug 1999 04:06:45 PDT From: "James Chandler" To: idolisto@egroups.com Date: Sat, 07 Aug 1999 11:06:45 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] total eklipso Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kar amiki Ye merkurdio nexta* (11ma agosto) eventos en Britania total eklipso sunal. La lasta tala eklipso esis en 1927, en la nordo di la lando. Icafoye ol esos maxim total (100%) en Cornwall en la sudwesto, ed esos 99% en mea nuna hemloko. Regretinde esas tre danjeroza spektar la suno direte, e la guvernamento* britana rekomendas oficale spektar l'eklipso ye la televiziono. Spektar 99%-total eklipso dum nur kelka sekondi povas blindigar. Se on volas fotografar la spektaklo, on mustas facar to nedirete, to es, on ne devas regardar tra l'aparato. Kordiale, James Chandler idojc@hotmail.com http://yi.com/home/ChandlerJames http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Forum/5037 ______________________________________________________ From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 968 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 28025 invoked by uid 7770); 7 Aug 1999 18:01:11 -0000 Received: from qh.egroups.com (HELO qh.findmail.com) (10.1.2.28) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 7 Aug 1999 18:01:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 20789 invoked from network); 7 Aug 1999 18:01:10 -0000 Received: from mout00.kundenserver.de (195.20.224.69) by qh.egroups.com with SMTP; 7 Aug 1999 18:01:10 -0000 Received: from [195.20.224.68] (helo=mx02.kundenserver.de) by mout00.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11DAmL-0005dh-00; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 20:01:09 +0200 Received: from [212.81.138.250] (helo=FrankKasper) by mx02.kundenserver.de with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11DAmJ-0000pN-00; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 20:01:08 +0200 Message-ID: <001501bee0ff$0440f200$fa8a51d4@FrankKasper> From: "Frank Kasper" To: "Idolisto (Mesaji)" , "Hans Stuifbergen (Fax-Server)" , "Donald Gasper (Fax)" Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1999 19:33:04 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Subject: [ido] La unesma dio dil cayara Ido-renkontro en Waldkappel! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kara amiki! Intertempe finis l'unesma dio de nia amikala Ido-renkontro en Waldkappel-Burghofen/Germania. Dum l'antedimezo ni experiencis fruktoza dikuto pri nia movado e linguo. Ni explikis la neceso riaktivigar la laboro de la Linguala Komitataro. Unesme la prezidanto dil ULI per cirkulero propozos a la DK riorganizar la komisitaro per elektar viceprezidero e rekrutar nova apta membri a la komisitaro. Cetere ni diskutis, quale ni aranjus la konfero 2000 sen fine experiencar la sama quale cayare. Pro ca afero omna idisti ankore recevos listo kun questioni. L'Idolistolani recevos lo per Idolisto. Specale ni pensas, ke esus agreabla aranjar la konfero en Anglia. La prezidanto dil ULI sendos talmaniera cirkulero a la membri dil DK e specale pregos l'Angla DK-ani respondar, ka ulu esus pronta aranjor la konfero. Ni ya nun pregas l'Angli adminime respondar ca questiono!! Dum nia diskuti surprize arivis Tom Todd ek USA. Nun ni esas non partoprenanti. Pos komuna dejuno en restorerio ni facis posdimeza exkurso a la olima frontiero ad Est-Germania, ube ni regardis tal-relatata muzeo e pose ni facis promenado tra la belega urbeto Bad Sooden-Allendorf. Nun ni ankore komune sidos en agreabla rondo. Kordiala saluti a vi omni sendas La partoprenanti dil Ido-renkontro 1999 Guenter Anton, prezidanto dil ULI (Germania) lua spozinoVera Anton (Germania) Alfred Neussner (Germania) Heidi Neussner (Germania) Tom Todd (USA) Robert Pontnau (Francia) Eberhard Scholz (Germania) Manfred Magin (Germania) e Frank Kasper (Germania) L'e-postala adreso de nia renkontreyo esas: frank.kasper@idolinguo.de From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 969 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 28072 invoked by uid 7770); 7 Aug 1999 18:01:16 -0000 Received: from qh.egroups.com (HELO qh.findmail.com) (10.1.2.28) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 7 Aug 1999 18:01:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 20798 invoked from network); 7 Aug 1999 18:01:15 -0000 Received: from mout00.kundenserver.de (195.20.224.69) by qh.egroups.com with SMTP; 7 Aug 1999 18:01:15 -0000 Received: from [195.20.224.68] (helo=mx02.kundenserver.de) by mout00.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11DAmQ-0005dr-00; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 20:01:14 +0200 Received: from [212.81.138.250] (helo=FrankKasper) by mx02.kundenserver.de with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11DAmN-0000pN-00; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 20:01:11 +0200 Message-ID: <001701bee0ff$06401d60$fa8a51d4@FrankKasper> From: "Frank Kasper" To: "Idolisto (Mesaji)" , "Hans Stuifbergen (Fax-Server)" , "Donald Gasper (Fax)" Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1999 19:49:16 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Subject: [ido] Re: Vi povos babilar per l'interreto kun la prezidanto dil ULI Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kara amiki! Okazione de la cayara Ido-renkontro en Waldkappel ni povas ofrar ad omna Idolistolani kurte babilar per l'interreto kun la prezidanto dil ULI sioro Guenter Anton. Sioro Guenter Anton esos atingebla en la babileyo dil Idolisto che egroups (Chat) morge antedimeze inter 10 e 11 kloki segun Mez-Europana somera tempo e vartas vi ibe. Kun la maxim kordiala ed amikala saluti vartante via vizito en la babilbuxo morge! La partoprenanti dil Ido-renkontro en Waldkappel!! Nome de la partoprenanti Frank Kasper frank.kasper@idolinguo.de From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 970 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 19685 invoked by uid 7770); 8 Aug 1999 08:42:41 -0000 Received: from qh.egroups.com (HELO qh.findmail.com) (10.1.2.28) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 1999 08:42:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 28486 invoked from network); 8 Aug 1999 08:42:41 -0000 Received: from mout00.kundenserver.de (195.20.224.69) by qh.egroups.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 1999 08:42:41 -0000 Received: from [195.20.224.68] (helo=mx02.kundenserver.de) by mout00.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11DOXQ-0007jC-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 10:42:40 +0200 Received: from [212.81.138.186] (helo=FrankKasper) by mx02.kundenserver.de with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11DOXO-0006pN-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 10:42:39 +0200 Message-ID: <000501bee17a$2b411da0$ba8a51d4@FrankKasper> From: "Frank Kasper" To: "Idolisto (Mesaji)" Date: Sun, 8 Aug 1999 10:42:20 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Subject: [ido] Re: La prezidanto dil ULI e la babilbuxo dil Idolisto Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kara amiki! Me regretas, ke nula membro dil Idolisto trovis la tempo vizitar la babil-buxo e babilar kun la prezidanto dil ULI. Lu vartis via questioni dum duima horo ibe. Nun lu preferas durar la diskuti kun la partoprenanti dil renkontro, por ke lu devos departar a lua hemo pos uneduima hori. Pro to lu ne plus esas atingebla en nia babilbuxo. Kun la maxim kordiala saluti da Guenter Anton e da omna partoprenanti en la renkontro en Waldkappel! Frank Kasper frank.kasper@idolinguo.de From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 971 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 22075 invoked by uid 7770); 8 Aug 1999 08:52:27 -0000 Received: from qh.egroups.com (HELO qh.findmail.com) (10.1.2.28) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 1999 08:52:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 29236 invoked from network); 8 Aug 1999 08:52:26 -0000 Received: from spielberg.vip.uk.com (194.176.218.9) by qh.egroups.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 1999 08:52:26 -0000 Received: from vip-202-127.vip.uk.com ([194.176.202.127] helo=default) by spielberg.vip.uk.com with smtp (Exim 3.02 #1) id 11DOl5-0007EY-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Sun, 08 Aug 1999 09:56:48 +0100 Message-ID: <000901bee179$ce49fb80$7fcab0c2@default> From: "wood" To: Date: Sun, 8 Aug 1999 09:41:10 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Subject: [ido] Tradukuri Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0006_01BEE182.25A4ADA0" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01BEE182.25A4AADA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Ad Adrian Neilson Hall Multa danki pro tre aceptebla tradukuri. 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------=_NextPart_000_0006_01BEE182.25A4AADA0-- From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 972 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@eGroups.com Received: (qmail 7354 invoked by uid 7770); 8 Aug 1999 11:42:46 -0000 Received: from qg.egroups.com (HELO qg.findmail.com) (10.1.2.27) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 1999 11:42:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 25873 invoked from network); 8 Aug 1999 11:42:47 -0000 Received: from mu.egroups.com (207.138.41.151) by qg.egroups.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 1999 11:42:47 -0000 Received: from [10.1.2.26] by mu.egroups.com with NNFMP; 08 Aug 1999 12:42:46 -0000 Date: Sun, 08 Aug 1999 04:42:36 -0700 From: ural_liz@hotmail.com To: idolisto@eGroups.com Message-ID: <7ojqfc$jem7@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.76 X-Mailer: www.eGroups.com Message Poster Subject: [ido] Nova membro Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Saluto, kara samideani! Me esas Artyomo Kuzyminih (de Rusia), e me volas lernar tala belega linguo, Ido. Me lernas la linguo dum 2 dii. Me esperas ke balde me povos uzar Ido max bone kam nun. Me prezus irga via helpa, example vortari, gramatiki, etc. Maxim importanta por me esas trovar igaloke en Interreto la vortaro di Dyer. Me evas 23 yari, e me esas oficisto en mekra kompanio (a leasing company - quale parolar idolingue?). Me prizus recevar via mesaji ye ural_liz@hotmail.com. Til la rivido! Amikale, Art. From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 973 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@eGroups.com Received: (qmail 9121 invoked by uid 7770); 8 Aug 1999 11:48:21 -0000 Received: from qh.egroups.com (HELO qh.findmail.com) (10.1.2.28) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 1999 11:48:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 13532 invoked from network); 8 Aug 1999 11:48:21 -0000 Received: from mu.egroups.com (207.138.41.151) by qh.egroups.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 1999 11:48:21 -0000 Received: from [10.1.2.26] by mu.egroups.com with NNFMP; 08 Aug 1999 12:48:21 -0000 Date: Sun, 08 Aug 1999 04:48:18 -0700 From: ural_liz@hotmail.com To: idolisto@eGroups.com Message-ID: <7ojqq2$jeqc@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.76 X-Mailer: www.eGroups.com Message Poster Subject: [ido] la nova membro Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Saluto, kara samideani! Me esas Artyomo Kuzyminih (de Rusia), e me volas lernar tala belega linguo, Ido. Me lernas la linguo dum 2 dii. Me esperas ke balde me povos uzar Ido max bone kam nun. Me prezus irga via helpa, example vortari, gramatiki, etc. Maxim importanta por me esas trovar igaloke en Interreto la vortaro di Dyer. Me evas 23 yari, e me esas oficisto en mekra kompanio (a leasing company - quale parolar idolingue?). Me prizus recevar via mesaji ye ural_liz@hotmail.com. Til la rivido! Amikale, Art. From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 974 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@eGroups.com Received: (qmail 17078 invoked by uid 7770); 8 Aug 1999 12:08:44 -0000 Received: from qg.egroups.com (HELO qg.findmail.com) (10.1.2.27) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 1999 12:08:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 28674 invoked from network); 8 Aug 1999 12:08:44 -0000 Received: from mu.egroups.com (207.138.41.151) by qg.egroups.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 1999 12:08:44 -0000 Received: from [10.1.2.26] by mu.egroups.com with NNFMP; 08 Aug 1999 13:08:44 -0000 Date: Sun, 08 Aug 1999 05:08:43 -0700 From: ural_liz@hotmail.com To: idolisto@eGroups.com Message-ID: <7ojs0b$jfcb@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.76 X-Mailer: www.eGroups.com Message Poster Subject: [ido] Saluto Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mea grandega saluto de Rusia a la partoprenanti dil IDO-Renkontro en Germania! Artyomo Kuzyminih. From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 975 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 9066 invoked by uid 7770); 8 Aug 1999 16:02:10 -0000 Received: from qh.egroups.com (HELO qh.findmail.com) (10.1.2.28) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 1999 16:02:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 18475 invoked from network); 8 Aug 1999 16:01:50 -0000 Received: from farida.a2000.nl (HELO smtp1.a2000.nl) (62.108.1.19) by qh.egroups.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 1999 16:01:50 -0000 Received: from node118d7.a2000.nl ([24.132.24.215] helo=HansStuifbergen) by smtp1.a2000.nl with smtp (Exim 2.02 #4) id 11DVOO-00045v-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 18:01:48 +0200 Message-ID: <001a01bee1b8$8cc1dd60$d7188418@HansStuifbergen.a2000.nl> From: "Ido-Info" To: Date: Sun, 8 Aug 1999 18:10:35 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Subject: [ido] la nova membro Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kara Artyomo Kuziminih, Esez bon-venanta che Idolisto, l' e-grupo di la linguo internaciona Ido. Me (e certe anke altri) tre joyas ke vu trovis la voyo ad Ido. Vua savo dil Ido es remarkinde bona, ka to vere es rezulto de nur du dii di lernado? Me es Hans Stuifbergen, evanta 37 yari e gardisto che la muzeo nacionala di Nederlando, la Rijksmuseum en Amsterdam. Me jus retrovenis adheme de mea laboro e lektis vua mesaji (ja tri!). Me ne savas ka vu ja lektis o trovis oli, existas kelka pagini pri Ido en la Rusa. Me ne pensas ke ja es enretigita la dicionario da Dyer, ma ya existas retala vortaro Ido-Angla. La Germana Ido-Societo vendas lernolibri en la Rusa, yen l' adreso di la librerii: http://www.angelfire.com/id/Avance/Librerii.html Omna ta informon vu trovos per l' adreso infra. Saluti amikala, Hans Stuifbergen, Amsterdam ************************************************************* - Ido, linguo internaciona, absolute vizitez: http://members.tripod.com/~avancigado - nove: La Herisoni, rakonteto desegnita da Rymke, 56 pagini, fl. 2,50 / Euri 1,40 / 2 Intern. Kup. di Resp. / ...tre charmiva...(T. Carlevaro) **************************************************************************** ********************************************** - Ido, linguo internaciona, absolute vizitez: http://members.tripod.com/~avancigado - Ido-revui: http://www.angelfire.com/id/Avance/REVUI.html ************************************************************* From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 976 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 6987 invoked by uid 7770); 8 Aug 1999 16:44:28 -0000 Received: from qg.egroups.com (HELO qg.findmail.com) (10.1.2.27) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 1999 16:44:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 6742 invoked from network); 8 Aug 1999 16:44:28 -0000 Received: from spielberg.vip.uk.com (194.176.218.9) by qg.egroups.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 1999 16:44:28 -0000 Received: from vip-207-154.vip.uk.com ([194.176.207.154] helo=default) by spielberg.vip.uk.com with smtp (Exim 3.02 #1) id 11DW7w-00025l-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Sun, 08 Aug 1999 17:48:53 +0100 Message-ID: <000b01bee1bb$bedc5fc0$9acfb0c2@default> From: "wood" To: Date: Sun, 8 Aug 1999 17:33:07 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Subject: [ido] Questiono Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0008_01BEE1C4.13F649A0" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01BEE1C4.13F6449A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" A James Chandler Danko pro tradukuro. Yes, me havis en mento la ne-acepteb= la 'la flori florifas'. Amikale Tom Wood ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01BEE1C4.13F6449A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable content-type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1"
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<= FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>Danko pro tradukuro.  Yes, me havis en = mento la ne-aceptebla 'la flori florifas'.
Amikale
T= om Wood
------=_NextPart_000_0008_01BEE1C4.13F6449A0-- From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 977 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 19055 invoked by uid 7770); 8 Aug 1999 16:55:47 -0000 Received: from qh.egroups.com (HELO qh.findmail.com) (10.1.2.28) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 1999 16:55:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 29226 invoked from network); 8 Aug 1999 16:55:45 -0000 Received: from new.sis.it (HELO dipobox.sis.it) (193.70.16.253) by qh.egroups.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 1999 16:55:45 -0000 Received: from lizard [193.70.17.19] with smtp by dipobox.sis.it with smtp (Smail-3.2.0.103 1998-Oct-9 #4 #4) id m11DZ2e-000RBpC; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 18:55:36 -0100 (GMT+1) Message-Id: Date: Sun, 8 Aug 1999 18:55:36 -0100 (GMT+1) X-Sender: narcar@mailserver.sis.it X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 To: idolisto@egroups.com From: Carlo Nardini Subject: [ido] linguala questiono Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Kar amiki, Tom Wood questionis: > Quale tradukar: The flowers that bloom = in the spring ... James Chandler sugestis: > La floroplanti qui florifas p= rintempe. Adrian Neilson sugestis: > La flori qui apertas su printempe. > = La burjoni qui florifas printempe. Segun me, tradukuro korekta esas anke: = La flori qui desklozesas printempe. Tamen, me volunte tradukus: La flo= ri qui blomas* printempe. Me generale opinionas tale: se un ek la precipu= a lingui (ne unike DEFIRS) havas preciza e simpla vorto por ul koncepto, = esas dezirinda ke anke la Linguo Internaciona povas expresar ta koncepto p= er preciza e simpla vorto. Cakaze, me rapide serchante trovis la sequanta= DEFIRSL (korektigi prizesas): D aufbl=FChen (memorigilo: Blume =3D flor= o) E bloom F =E9clore I sbocciare R raspuskatsia S abrirse L de= hiscere (esas ja en DEFIRS, bot., med., kun senco diferanta). Me provizo= re (til plu bona sugesto) inkluzas en mea listo di nova radiki: blom.= ar*, anke fig. Kordiale Carlo Nardini From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 978 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 18700 invoked by uid 7770); 8 Aug 1999 17:46:45 -0000 Received: from qg.egroups.com (HELO qg.findmail.com) (10.1.2.27) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 1999 17:46:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 18528 invoked from network); 8 Aug 1999 17:46:45 -0000 Received: from farida.a2000.nl (HELO smtp1.a2000.nl) (62.108.1.19) by qg.egroups.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 1999 17:46:45 -0000 Received: from node118d7.a2000.nl ([24.132.24.215] helo=HansStuifbergen) by smtp1.a2000.nl with smtp (Exim 2.02 #4) id 11DX1v-00012F-00 for idolisto@egroups.com; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 19:46:43 +0200 Message-ID: <003701bee1c7$34d88860$d7188418@HansStuifbergen.a2000.nl> From: "Ido-Info" To: Date: Sun, 8 Aug 1999 19:55:31 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Subject: [ido] Re: linguala questiono Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kara Carlo, Certe, tre bela solvuro, gratuli. Ma ka ne esus plu bona anke uzar vorti qua konkordas segun sono, do ne blom.ar* ma blum.ar*? Quankam hike me kelke hezitas, nam la vorto blom.ar* es plu proxim l' origino di la vorto, "blom" de la Friziana, o Germana e mem trovesas en la verbo Sueda "blomma". Irgamaniere me pensas ke tamen blom.ar* es plu bona. Do, pardonez me por ca superflua mesajo, nam rezonante me finas che la sama vorto kam vu. Itere, tre bona solvuro. Saluti amikala, Hans St. ************************************************************* - Ido, linguo internaciona, absolute vizitez: http://members.tripod.com/~avancigado - Revui: http://www.angelfire.com/id/Avance/REVUI.html ************************************************************* From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 979 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 987 invoked by uid 7770); 8 Aug 1999 19:41:50 -0000 Received: from qg.egroups.com (HELO qg.findmail.com) (10.1.2.27) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 1999 19:41:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 8472 invoked from network); 8 Aug 1999 19:41:51 -0000 Received: from law-f225.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (209.185.130.163) by qg.egroups.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 1999 19:41:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 27454 invoked by uid 0); 8 Aug 1999 19:41:50 -0000 Message-ID: <19990808194150.27453.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 194.82.103.37 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sun, 08 Aug 1999 12:41:50 PDT From: "James Chandler" To: idolisto@egroups.com Date: Sun, 08 Aug 1999 19:41:50 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] babilbuxo Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kar amiki e kara Frank Me regretas ke me ne povis babilar kun sro Anton en la babilbuxo. Me simple ne savis suficante frue. Se me savabus hiere, me certe profitabus l'okaziono "parolar" kun il. Kun maxim kordial saluti ad omna partoprenanti di la kunveno, Kordiale, James Chandler idojc@hotmail.com http://yi.com/home/ChandlerJames http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Forum/5037 ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 980 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 3747 invoked by uid 7770); 8 Aug 1999 19:47:07 -0000 Received: from qg.egroups.com (HELO qg.findmail.com) (10.1.2.27) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 1999 19:47:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 9301 invoked from network); 8 Aug 1999 19:47:07 -0000 Received: from law-f260.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (209.185.130.176) by qg.egroups.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 1999 19:47:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 15171 invoked by uid 0); 8 Aug 1999 19:47:07 -0000 Message-ID: <19990808194707.15170.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 194.82.103.37 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sun, 08 Aug 1999 12:47:07 PDT From: "James Chandler" To: idolisto@egroups.com Date: Sun, 08 Aug 1999 19:47:07 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] bonveno Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kar amiki Bonveno a nia nova rusa samlistano. Me esperas ke vu ja trovis utila informi en la reto, ma prego questionez ni se vu bezonas irgo altra. Regretinde la biblatra vortaro da Dyer ne es disponebla en la reto, ma trovez plu mikra vortaro Ido-angla che: http://yi.com/home/ChandlerJames/idoang.html Anke la Kompleta Gramatiko Detaloza, ed altra tre interesanta libro da Dyer (The Problem of an IAL) es lektebla per la reto. Kordiale, James Chandler idojc@hotmail.com http://yi.com/home/ChandlerJames http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Forum/5037 ______________________________________________________ From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 981 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com X-Duplicate: Duplicate(2)--1968274423 Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 23046 invoked by uid 7770); 8 Aug 1999 20:17:10 -0000 Received: from qg.egroups.com (HELO qg.findmail.com) (10.1.2.27) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 1999 20:17:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 14436 invoked from network); 8 Aug 1999 20:17:09 -0000 Received: from mout00.kundenserver.de (195.20.224.69) by qg.egroups.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 1999 20:17:09 -0000 Received: from [195.20.224.68] (helo=mx02.kundenserver.de) by mout00.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11DZNU-0008Lr-00; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 22:17:08 +0200 Received: from [212.81.137.245] (helo=FrankKasper) by mx02.kundenserver.de with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11DZNP-0001g6-00; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 22:17:03 +0200 Message-ID: <000001bee1db$2e589fc0$f58951d4@FrankKasper> From: "Frank Kasper" To: "Idolisto (Mesaji)" , "Geyidolisto" , "Edward H. Steve" , "Edward H. Steve" , "Donald Gasper (Fax)" Date: Sun, 8 Aug 1999 21:46:46 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Subject: [ido] Re: Finala dio dil Ido-renkontro Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kara amiki! Yen mea kurta raporto pri la lasta dio dil cayara Ido-renkontro: Hodie, en sundio la 08ma di agosto finis la cayara amikala Ido-renkontro en Waldkappel-Burghofen /Germania. Pos ke la partoprenanti havis sua dejuneto en lia sejorni ni renkontris por finala komuna diskut-kunveno. La kunveno interrupteskis dufoye ye 10.00 ed ye 10.30 kloki, por ke la prezidanto dil ULI volis uzar l'okaziono babilar per komputor-klavaro kun kelka Idolistolani en la babilbuxo di Idolisto. Regretinde nula Idolistolano eniris aden la babilbuxo dum ta tempo. La chefa temo dil hodia diskuti esis, quale ni povas plualtigar la nivelo ed atraktiveso de nia Ido-konkurso por skriberi en Ido. Ni decidis, ke la kondicioni de la konkurso esos eklaborata segun diversa propozi dum la sequanta semani. Cetere me pregusla prezidanto dil ULI propozar a la membri dil DK rezolvar, ke Idolisto esos l'oficala interretala forumo dil idistaro sen restriktigar la kreado de plusa idala Ido-forumi per l'interreto. Kelka minuti ante la dimezo la prezidanto dil ULI dicis kelka fina vorti. Lu unesme dankis la organizeri dil renkontro Alfred e Heidi Neussner pro lia bonega preparado di ol. Cetere lu dankis ad omna partoprenanti por lia veno ed ad omni, qui sendis salutmesaji a nia renkontro. Pose la renkontro esis finita. Kelka amiki ya departis. Por l'altri gesioro Neussner ankore aranjis exkurso a la urbi Bebra e Spangenberg, quo tre plezis ad omna partoprenanti. Morge anke l'altri (Tom Todd, Robert Pontnau e me) departos. Me devas konstatar, ke ni experiencis agreabla e fruktoza renkontro. Kun la maxim kordiala saluti! Frank Kasper frank.kasper@idpolinguo.de From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 982 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 25029 invoked by uid 7770); 8 Aug 1999 22:07:42 -0000 Received: from qg.egroups.com (HELO qg.findmail.com) (10.1.2.27) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 1999 22:07:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 910 invoked from network); 8 Aug 1999 22:07:40 -0000 Received: from vasquez.zip.com.au (203.12.97.41) by qg.egroups.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 1999 22:07:40 -0000 Received: from kalocsay (wendy120.zip.com.au [61.8.18.120]) by vasquez.zip.com.au (8.9.2/8.9.1) with SMTP id HAA30784 for ; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 07:58:22 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <002d01bee1ea$39149680$7812083d@kalocsay> From: "Adrian Neilson Hall" To: Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 08:06:07 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Subject: [ido] Pri: lokaco, lugo e kompanii Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Kordial saluti ad omni Ad Artyomo Esez bonvenanta ni nova samlistano. Vu= demandis pri tradukro por " leasing company" . La justa tradukuro dependas= de to quon facas vua kompanio. Se la precipua afero es lugar ulo al altra = kompanii o individui, ta-kaze apta tradukuro esus "lugala kompanio". Se alt= ralatere vu vizis la fakto ke vua kompanio lokacas ulo de altra kompanio, l= ore la justa tradukor esus "kompanio lokacanta (ulo de ulu)". Por esar plu = specifanta, vu povus nomizar la kozo quan vua kompanio lugas o lokacas, ekz= emple: "komputor-lugal kompanio" "edifico-lokacanta kompanio". Amike Adria= n From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 983 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 13687 invoked by uid 7770); 8 Aug 1999 22:41:22 -0000 Received: from qh.egroups.com (HELO qh.findmail.com) (10.1.2.28) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 1999 22:41:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 23733 invoked from network); 8 Aug 1999 22:41:20 -0000 Received: from vasquez.zip.com.au (203.12.97.41) by qh.egroups.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 1999 22:41:20 -0000 Received: from kalocsay (wendy120.zip.com.au [61.8.18.120]) by vasquez.zip.com.au (8.9.2/8.9.1) with SMTP id IAA32413 for ; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 08:31:59 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <003501bee1ee$ea58b260$7812083d@kalocsay> From: "Adrian Neilson Hall" To: Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 08:39:43 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Subject: [ido] erori Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable bonvole lektez: tradukuro (> tradukro) nia (>ni nova samlistano) exemple= (>ekzemple) From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 984 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 15558 invoked by uid 7770); 9 Aug 1999 01:53:08 -0000 Received: from qh.egroups.com (HELO qh.findmail.com) (10.1.2.28) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 9 Aug 1999 01:53:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 27990 invoked from network); 9 Aug 1999 01:53:05 -0000 Received: from mga2.primo.co.jp (210.145.40.130) by qh.egroups.com with SMTP; 9 Aug 1999 01:53:05 -0000 Received: from mga2.primo.co.jp (unverified [210.145.40.140]) by mga2.primo.co.jp (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Mon, 09 Aug 1999 10:56:25 +0900 Message-ID: <004d01bee208$d9bfe440$8c2891d2@primo.co.jp> From: "Bebson Y. TAKATA" To: "IDOLISTO" References: Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 10:42:16 +0900 Organization: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Subject: [ido] Dank U zeer, meneer Stuifbergen. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-2022-jp" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kara Sri Cibernauti:#1 Generalajo #2 Linguo #3 Politiko #4 Religio o Filozofio ============================================================================== Beste vriend Kara Sro Hans STUIFBERGEN:#1 Dank U zeer, meneer Stuifbergen. ============================================================================== Me dankas a vu pro la listo. No, ni esas ankore tre poka en la nombro. (`_') Beter een vogel in de hand dan tien in de lucht. (^_^;;;;;) ============================================================================== Kara Sro Daniel ALEGRETT:#1 Re: Takata-san (Sro Takata)? ============================================================================== Felice vu tote ne esas sinioro ma simpla sioro quala me, ka yes? Ka vu komprenas ke me ankore esas stulto quale mea Mastro olim dicis lo a me? >Por que' en las guerras se usan trincheras, papa'? -> Zorros en zorrera; el humo (mea hucpo*/descaro/du culot) los echa fuera. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Adio! .....sincere via, B.Y.T. .....Idisto ed Idiotisto pro mea limitizita edukado ed anke Ido-Kavaliero e shinko-aktoro di Teatro FilozofiACHala ============================================================================== Pliz* indikez mea erori pri vorti, gramatiko, dicmaniero ec., nam me esas nura ne-edukito e devas lernar dum ke me vivas. Me sempre esperas, samideani, via amikeso por EXTRA prenar peno de via parto por instruktar me, qua durstas ye savo ulaspecala. Tamen en rara kazo kande me savas plu bone kam vi, me volunte transdonos mea humila savo a vi segun via bezoni. ============================================================================== From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 985 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 29956 invoked by uid 7770); 9 Aug 1999 03:40:23 -0000 Received: from qh.egroups.com (HELO qh.findmail.com) (10.1.2.28) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 9 Aug 1999 03:40:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 18479 invoked from network); 9 Aug 1999 03:40:22 -0000 Received: from mga2.primo.co.jp (210.145.40.130) by qh.egroups.com with SMTP; 9 Aug 1999 03:40:22 -0000 Received: from mga2.primo.co.jp (unverified [210.145.40.141]) by mga2.primo.co.jp (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Mon, 09 Aug 1999 12:43:44 +0900 Message-ID: <003201bee217$d7b45f00$8d2891d2@primo.co.jp> From: "Bebson Y. TAKATA" To: "IDOLISTO" , References: Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 12:27:17 +0900 Organization: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Subject: [ido] ?Co'mo no? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-2022-jp" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kara Sri Cibernauti:#1 Generalajo #2 Linguo #3 Politiko #4 Religio ============================================================================== Kara (Sro) Daniel ALEGRETT:#1 La granda civilizeso Japona ne permisas me .... ============================================================================== Nun Sro Jean MARTIGNON felice lojas che sua Idostabilisti, qua problemo existas che ni, libere e tilkontente parolar nia singla patuazi* por lernar Ido? E maxim regretinde me ne povas uzar literi Hispana per mea chipa komputoro, nam me es povra laboristo, me respondas che Idolisto a vua letro en Idoespanyol. >Bebson: Vu anke mustas enretigar vua IFA! Nun sub ecelanta guido da Sro Stephen L. RICE me esforcas ameliorar nia IFA, do pos omna esforcado, forsan ulu, me esperas, "nia Kara Sro Maritn LAVALLE'E", enretigos la libro por omna Angle-parolanta lernanti. Vartez la libro pliz*! >Anke, tradukez ad Ido la sequanta versi da John Entwistle (The Who): > "When I was a boy -> Kande me esis puerulo, > I had the mind of a boy -> Me posedis la mento puerala. > But now I'm a man -> Ma nun me ja esas viro, > And I have no mind at all" -> Ed irge me perdabas la mea. >E vu konocos parto di mea kredo. Ka vu anke konocas la vorti di mea Sinioro? >Li esas similA [a le mea]. -> Ya lo sabi'a yo! Yo soy un hombre de la mencho*! >E forsan Sro Martignon ne iracigis me, ma vu preske facis tale. -> Nam me sempre amas luktado, ka ne? Me esis/ma ne esas/ forta Kungfuisto. >En cuanto a lo de haber abandonado temporalmente Idolisto, fue una medida de > seguridad y para nada producto de la ira, como Takata-san (saluti!) ha > entendido. ....... !Si' tal! Yo he siempre entendido, ?co'mo no? ============================================================================== Estimata Britaniana Idisti:#1 Ka irgu de vi konocas Sro Niklas ApGawain? ============================================================================== Ka irgu de vi ne povus pregar permiso de Sro Niklas ApGawain ke ni povez uzar lua libro kom la bazon por la futurala lernolibri en diversa lingui? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Adio! .....sincere via, B.Y.T. .....Idisto ed Idiotisto pro mea limitizita edukado ed anke Ido-Kavaliero e shinko-aktoro di Teatro FilozofiACHala ============================================================================== Pliz* indikez mea erori pri vorti, gramatiko, dicmaniero ec., nam me esas nura ne-edukito e devas lernar dum ke me vivas. Me sempre esperas, samideani, via amikeso por EXTRA prenar peno de via parto por instruktar me, qua durstas ye savo ulaspecala. Tamen en rara kazo kande me savas plu bone kam vi, me volunte transdonos mea humila savo a vi segun via bezoni. ============================================================================== From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 986 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 26071 invoked by uid 7770); 9 Aug 1999 10:10:30 -0000 Received: from qh.egroups.com (HELO qh.findmail.com) (10.1.2.28) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 9 Aug 1999 10:10:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 19740 invoked from network); 9 Aug 1999 10:10:25 -0000 Received: from epmsa001.ep.minsk.by (194.226.122.227) by qh.egroups.com with SMTP; 9 Aug 1999 10:10:25 -0000 Received: by epmsa001.ep.minsk.by with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 13:09:56 +0300 Message-ID: <8D76D48EDDD3D211AC3000A0C98212E703A8B0@epmsa001.ep.minsk.by> From: "Dmitri P. Laptsionak" To: "'idolisto@egroups.com'" Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 13:09:54 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Subject: [ido] Re: Vi povos babilar per l'interreto kun la prezidanto dil ULI Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Saluto Me vizitis eGroups.com, serchis por "Ido" e trovis kin listi: Idolisto (idolisto) Ido para hispano-hablantes (idoespanyol) La langue internationale Ido (francidol) Ido by Twin Manga Co. (ido-comics) Ido by Twin Manga Co. (ido) L' unesma esas nia, la duesma e triesma - la Ido-listi kreita por Hispani e Franci. Ka ulu savas, qua esas la lasta listi? Temas pri ula komixi? Me trovis po un mesajo en singlu listo. Se sioro/firmo Twin Manga havas nomo "Ido" kom sua "trademark" nia linguo esas minacata per mis-reklamo. Zmicier. From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 987 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 30364 invoked by uid 7770); 9 Aug 1999 10:20:35 -0000 Received: from qg.egroups.com (HELO qg.findmail.com) (10.1.2.27) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 9 Aug 1999 10:20:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 6166 invoked from network); 9 Aug 1999 10:20:34 -0000 Received: from epmsa001.ep.minsk.by (194.226.122.227) by qg.egroups.com with SMTP; 9 Aug 1999 10:20:34 -0000 Received: by epmsa001.ep.minsk.by with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 13:20:28 +0300 Message-ID: <8D76D48EDDD3D211AC3000A0C98212E703A8B1@epmsa001.ep.minsk.by> From: "Dmitri P. Laptsionak" To: "'idolisto@egroups.com'" Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 13:20:27 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Subject: [ido] Re: Nova membro Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Grandega saluto, Artyom! Me esas Zmicier Lapcionak, habitas en Minsk (Belarusia). Se me ne eraras ni du esas sola rus-lingue parolanti. Ma ante esis nur un me, do nun esas du - duople plu multe!!!! Nia quanto konstante kreskez! Me havas vortari (Ido-Angla, Angla-Ido) e gramatiki (Plena Gramatiko Detaloza en Ido, Complete Manual en English) - omnon me prenis ek Internet. Me nur komencas krear en Internet rus-lingua tereno pri Ido. Ma til nun havas nula granda sucesi. Zmicier. From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 988 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 5022 invoked by uid 7770); 9 Aug 1999 10:35:02 -0000 Received: from qh.egroups.com (HELO qh.findmail.com) (10.1.2.28) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 9 Aug 1999 10:35:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 23216 invoked from network); 9 Aug 1999 10:35:02 -0000 Received: from law-f94.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (209.185.131.157) by qh.egroups.com with SMTP; 9 Aug 1999 10:35:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 74710 invoked by uid 0); 9 Aug 1999 10:35:02 -0000 Message-ID: <19990809103502.74709.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 159.15.128.3 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 09 Aug 1999 03:35:01 PDT From: "James Chandler" To: idolisto@egroups.com Date: Mon, 09 Aug 1999 10:35:01 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] Fwd: linguala questiono Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Carlo Nardini skribis: >Segun me, tradukuro korekta esas anke: > La flori qui desklozesas printempe. La flori qui apertas printempe? >Tamen, me volunte tradukus: > La flori qui blomas* printempe. Certe verbo *blum-ar (vice *blom-ar; kp. angla e germana formi)) esus posibla. Esis propozi tala en la Raporto da Roze, quin me sendos a la listo. Kordiale, James Chandler idojc@hotmail.com http://yi.com/home/ChandlerJames http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Forum/5037 ______________________________________________________ From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 989 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 9359 invoked by uid 7770); 9 Aug 1999 10:42:58 -0000 Received: from qg.egroups.com (HELO qg.findmail.com) (10.1.2.27) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 9 Aug 1999 10:42:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 9680 invoked from network); 9 Aug 1999 10:42:56 -0000 Received: from law-f91.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (209.185.131.154) by qg.egroups.com with SMTP; 9 Aug 1999 10:42:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 13326 invoked by uid 0); 9 Aug 1999 10:42:56 -0000 Message-ID: <19990809104256.13325.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 159.15.128.3 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 09 Aug 1999 03:42:55 PDT From: "James Chandler" To: idolisto@egroups.com Date: Mon, 09 Aug 1999 10:42:55 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] propozi en Roze Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kar amiki De Janis Roze, Raporto: ----- blum-o (Talmey, "Supl.", 3): D Blume, Blu"te, E bloom, F fleur. Videz "florar". Do anke: blum-kaulo = D Blumenkohl. flor-ar (Talmey "Supl.", 6) netr. D blu"hen, E to bloom, F fleurir. Til nun ni havas flor-if-ar; ma "flori florifas" havas nula senco, pro ke lo signifikas, ke la flori _produktas_ flori. "Florar" es bone uzebla figurale: floranta yunino, bebeo, urbo, lando edc; "florifanta" yunino = yunino produktanta flori, es sensenca. Ma lore es necesa aceptar blum-o por D Blume, Blu"te, E bloom, F fleur: la blumi floras maxim bele en somero. From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 990 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 13103 invoked by uid 7770); 9 Aug 1999 10:49:44 -0000 Received: from qg.egroups.com (HELO qg.findmail.com) (10.1.2.27) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 9 Aug 1999 10:49:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 10831 invoked from network); 9 Aug 1999 10:49:43 -0000 Received: from law-f176.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (209.185.131.239) by qg.egroups.com with SMTP; 9 Aug 1999 10:49:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 73804 invoked by uid 0); 9 Aug 1999 10:49:43 -0000 Message-ID: <19990809104943.73803.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 159.15.128.3 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 09 Aug 1999 03:49:43 PDT From: "James Chandler" To: idolisto@egroups.com Date: Mon, 09 Aug 1999 10:49:43 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] artiklo-konkurso Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kar amiki Frank mencionis la artiklo-konkurso quan ULI entraprezis kun enorma premii. Me lektis la raporto pri la rezultaji en Progreso lasta. Segun me la experienco lastafoye ne justifikas la lanco di plusa tala konkurso, adminime ne kun samsorta grandega premii. Segun me la povra rezultaji montras, ke ta pekunio, quon ULI posedas, esus plu bone uzata por produktar revui, aranjar konferi, imprimar nova libri, ec. ec. ULI ne es richa, do ol mustas uzar sua resursi* saje. Ne semblas a me saja organizar nova artiklo-konkurso. Ni probis ta ideo, ed ol semblante faliis. Icafoye ULI devas konservar sua pekunio. Kordiale, James Chandler idojc@hotmail.com http://yi.com/home/ChandlerJames http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Forum/5037 ______________________________________________________ From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 991 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 17045 invoked by uid 7770); 9 Aug 1999 10:58:16 -0000 Received: from qh.egroups.com (HELO qh.findmail.com) (10.1.2.28) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 9 Aug 1999 10:58:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 26768 invoked from network); 9 Aug 1999 10:58:16 -0000 Received: from law-f181.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (209.185.131.244) by qh.egroups.com with SMTP; 9 Aug 1999 10:58:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 94532 invoked by uid 0); 9 Aug 1999 10:58:16 -0000 Message-ID: <19990809105816.94531.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 159.15.128.3 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 09 Aug 1999 03:58:16 PDT From: "James Chandler" To: idolisto@egroups.com Date: Mon, 09 Aug 1999 10:58:16 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] Fwd: propozi en Roze Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kar amiki Egroups kurtigis mea mesajo. La fino esis: Notez ke segun la propozo da sro Nardini, la lasta frazo esus: la flori *blumas maxim bele en somero. Kordiale, James Chandler idojc@hotmail.com http://yi.com/home/ChandlerJames http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Forum/5037 ______________________________________________________ From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 992 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 12262 invoked by uid 7770); 9 Aug 1999 13:38:04 -0000 Received: from qg.egroups.com (HELO qg.findmail.com) (10.1.2.27) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 9 Aug 1999 13:38:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 15540 invoked from network); 9 Aug 1999 13:38:01 -0000 Received: from new.sis.it (HELO dipobox.sis.it) (193.70.16.253) by qg.egroups.com with SMTP; 9 Aug 1999 13:38:01 -0000 Received: from lizard [193.70.17.35] with smtp by dipobox.sis.it with smtp (Smail-3.2.0.103 1998-Oct-9 #4 #4) id m11DsR0-000RByC; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 15:38:02 -0100 (GMT+1) Message-Id: Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 15:38:02 -0100 (GMT+1) X-Sender: narcar@mailserver.sis.it X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 To: idolisto@egroups.com From: Carlo Nardini Subject: [ido] koliziono? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kar amiki, kara Hans S. e James C., pri blum.ar vice propozita blom.ar, fakte anke me pensabis e skribabis la spontana "blum.ar". Me chanjis last-instante a "blom.ar" por evitar teoriala koliziono kun "blua maro" --> "blu-mara" --> "blu-mar". "La blu-mar Capri". Quon vi pensas? Kordiale Carlo Nardini From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 993 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@eGroups.com Received: (qmail 20094 invoked by uid 7770); 9 Aug 1999 19:58:56 -0000 Received: from qh.egroups.com (HELO qh.findmail.com) (10.1.2.28) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 9 Aug 1999 19:58:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 26720 invoked from network); 9 Aug 1999 19:58:55 -0000 Received: from mu.egroups.com (207.138.41.151) by qh.egroups.com with SMTP; 9 Aug 1999 19:58:55 -0000 Received: from [10.1.2.7] by mu.egroups.com with NNFMP; 09 Aug 1999 20:58:55 -0000 Date: Mon, 09 Aug 1999 12:58:46 -0700 From: idolinguo@geocities.com To: idolisto@eGroups.com Message-ID: <7onbtm$pka9@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <8D76D48EDDD3D211AC3000A0C98212E703A8B1@epmsa001.ep.minsk.by> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.76 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: www.eGroups.com Message Poster Subject: [ido] Nova membro Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Kar amiki, Me esas tre felica vidar ke du ruslinguani idista renkontras su= en la idolingua forumo. Forsan li povus pensar pri komuna laboro por propa= gar la linguo internaciona en la maxim grand lando dil mondo. Me deziras bo= nveno a sioro Artyomo Kuzyminih. Nula reprezentanto di ULI esas til nun en= Rusia. Me rekomendus, ke un ek vi skribez a sioro JACQUES BOL en Belgia pr= i ica punto... Jacques Bol 80 Chauss=E9e des Gaulois B-1300 Wavre Belgique= (Belgia) On anke povas membresar en ULI e abonar Progreso skribante a Un= iono por la linguo internaciona Ido 27 Ville du Bois 6690 - Vielsalm Belgiq= ue (Belgia) Maxim amike vin salutas Martin From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 994 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 12636 invoked by uid 7770); 9 Aug 1999 21:57:18 -0000 Received: from qg.egroups.com (HELO qg.findmail.com) (10.1.2.27) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 9 Aug 1999 21:57:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 14470 invoked from network); 9 Aug 1999 21:57:16 -0000 Received: from vasquez.zip.com.au (203.12.97.41) by qg.egroups.com with SMTP; 9 Aug 1999 21:57:16 -0000 Received: from kalocsay (kyle38.zip.com.au [61.8.17.166]) by vasquez.zip.com.au (8.9.2/8.9.1) with SMTP id HAA00558 for ; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 07:47:52 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <001101bee2b1$f0cce080$a611083d@kalocsay> From: "Adrian Neilson Hall" To: References: <19990809104943.73803.qmail@hotmail.com> Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 07:55:45 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Subject: [ido] Re: artiklo-konkurso Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Kar amiki James Chandler skribis: > Frank mencionis la artiklo-konkurso = quan ULI entraprezis kun enorma premii... Segun me la > experienco lastafo= ye ne justifikas la lanco di plusa tala konkurso, adminime > ne kun samsor= ta grandega premii. Segun me la povra rezultaji montras, ke ta > pekunio, = quon ULI posedas, esus plu bone uzata por produktar revui, aranjar > konfe= ri, imprimar nova libri, ec. ec. Me apogas l'opiniono di James. Se la = skopo es kurajiigar la skripto di original verki da ido-parolanti en la lin= guo internaciona, ni ne limitizez la admiso al konkurso segun la evo (e ni = ne tro burizez la premio). Se la skopo es kurajigar la parlerno dil linguo= internaciona dal juna ido-parolanti o ido-interesati, ni trovez altra moye= no. Mi havas exemple ideo pri interret-paginaro qua povus lurar e lektiga= r juni. Fakte, adminime segun mea observo, juni ne bezonas aparta atraktilo= , specale taliita. O la linguo plezas, kaptas, facinas o la linguo simple l= evigas la shultri. To dependos del individuo. Tamen ni certigez ke lerno- e= informo-materialo di alta qualeso esez disponebla, interrete e imprimure. = Kordiale Adrian From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 995 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 28816 invoked by uid 7770); 10 Aug 1999 01:39:13 -0000 Received: from qh.egroups.com (HELO qh.findmail.com) (10.1.2.28) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 10 Aug 1999 01:39:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 7633 invoked from network); 10 Aug 1999 01:39:12 -0000 Received: from mga2.primo.co.jp (210.145.40.130) by qh.egroups.com with SMTP; 10 Aug 1999 01:39:12 -0000 Received: from mga2.primo.co.jp (unverified [210.145.40.140]) by mga2.primo.co.jp (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 10:42:45 +0900 Message-ID: <000b01bee2d0$15fb0580$822891d2@primo.co.jp> From: "Bebson Y. TAKATA" To: "IDOLISTO" References: Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 10:29:57 +0900 Organization: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Subject: [ido] Ni sempre lernez Ido. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-2022-jp" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kara Sri Cibernauti:#1 Generalajo #2 Linguo #3 Politiko #4 Religio o Filozofio ============================================================================== Kara Sro Dmitri P. LAPTSIONAK:#2 Ma vu ankore devas lernar quale me hucpozo* ============================================================================== Grandega saluto, Artyom! Me esas Zmicier Lapcionak, habitas en Minsk (Belarusia). Se me ne erOras, ni du esas UNIKA rus-lingue parolanti. [Ruse-parolanti] Ma anteE esis [nur un] (=sole) me, do nun esas du - duople plu multe!!!! (Me esperas ke) Nia quanto konstante kreskez! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ sola: qua ne-akompanata da sua simili; kande on ne vidas grupo cirkum su -> Antee vu esis en Idisti ma trista; vu sentis quale se vu esus en dezerto. unika: sola ek sua genero, sorto, kategorio; diferanta "inter/en" sua grupo ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Me havas vortari (Ido-Angla, Angla-Ido) e gramatiki (Plena Gramatiko Detaloza en Ido, Complete Manual in English) - omnon me prenis ek Internet. Me nur komencas krear en Internet (interreto) rus-lingua tereno pri Ido. Ma til nun ONU havas nula granda sucesi. Zmicier. ============================================================================== Kara Sro Artyomo KUZYMINIH:#1 Vu esas agreable bonvenanta che ni. ============================================================================== Me esperas ke Sro LAPTSIONAK balde facos la kurso di Ido por Ruse-parolanti en InterReto. Voluntez vartar la kurso dum kelka tempo (2 o 3 monati). Me kun kelka Idisti e Sro Stephen L. RICE facos la kurso por Angle-parolanti en InterReto. Voluntez vartar la kurso, se vu parolas anke Angle. ============================================================================== Karisima* Dro Carlo NARDINI:#2 Pri blomar*, ============================================================================== Ho, Yes! Me tote konsentas kun vua blomar*. Me sempre lernas multo de vu. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Adio! .....sincere via, B.Y.T. .....Idisto ed Idiotisto pro mea limitizita edukado ed anke Ido-Kavaliero kun abundanta hucpo* e numeroza erori ============================================================================== Pliz* indikez mea erori pri vorti, gramatiko, dicmaniero ec., nam me esas nura ne-edukito e devas lernar dum ke me vivas. Me sempre esperas, samideani, via amikeso por EXTRA prenar peno de via parto por instruktar me, qua durstas ye savo ulaspecala. Tamen en rara kazo kande me savas plu bone kam vi, me volunte transdonos mea humila savo a vi segun via bezoni. ============================================================================== From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 996 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@eGroups.com Received: (qmail 13510 invoked by uid 7770); 10 Aug 1999 03:29:19 -0000 Received: from qg.egroups.com (HELO qg.findmail.com) (10.1.2.27) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 10 Aug 1999 03:29:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 23907 invoked from network); 10 Aug 1999 03:29:19 -0000 Received: from mu.egroups.com (207.138.41.151) by qg.egroups.com with SMTP; 10 Aug 1999 03:29:19 -0000 Received: from [10.1.2.24] by mu.egroups.com with NNFMP; 10 Aug 1999 04:29:19 -0000 Date: Mon, 09 Aug 1999 20:29:10 -0700 From: ural_liz@hotmail.com To: idolisto@eGroups.com Message-ID: <7oo6a6$ruea@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.76 X-Mailer: www.eGroups.com Message Poster Subject: [ido] Ad omna idolistanti Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kar samideani! Unesme me valas dankar vi por via letri e helpi. A Hans: Certe, esas ne posibla lernar (?) linguo ye 2 dii, mem se ol esas Ido. Ma me ja savis tre poke (?) Espo, do lernar Ido por me es max facila. Me ja trovis en la reto tota vortari (la angli e esperanti) e gramatiki (anke bonega gramatiko di Sro de B.!), e uli tre helpis a me. Desfelice (?) uli es tre mikra. Ma me havas la vortaro Esperanta-Rusa de Bokarev, e ol helpas multa. Ma granda dicionario de Ido en la reto esas tre necesa, ka ne?! Sin ol la propagado dil internaciona linguo es absurda. Esperantisti havas multi da vortari enretigita! Ad Adrian: Danko! Nun me povas dicar, ke ni esas la lugala kompanio, o, max exakte, la vetur-e-equipo-lugal kompanio. Ka "equipo" es korekte por l'angla vorto "equipment"? A Dmitri: Me ne pensas, ke ni du es sola rus-lingue parolanti en Ido. Se ol esus vere, qua skribus "Ido-lernolibro en Rusa linguo", Kiev 1969, Aaronov, e Interhelpo, editita dal Ido-grupo "Amikeso", Kiev 1971, videz http://www.angelfire.com/id/Avance/Librerii.html. Forsan balde me ja povos helpar vu en kreado vua Internet rus-lingua tereno pri Ido. Ka vu povus helpar me? En "Lexiko di Nova Vorti adoptita depos 1922 kompilita da Camiel De Cock" me trovis kelka vorti qui me ne komprenis tote o parte: afanono, aktinika, alternatoro, ajuna. Ka vu tradukus uli? Ma! Me komprenis la tota altri! E fene, la questiono por omna: ka vi savas la quanto da esperantisti, idisti, novialisti e Interlingua-parolanti en mondo e en diversa landi? Por me ol es tre interesa. Ka me es prava, pensante ke idistaro esas tre poka grupo kun kelka 10i o 100i di membri? Kande membri havas idolisto? ____________________ Pliz* indikez mea erori pri vorti, gramatiko, dicmaniero ec., nam me esas nura ne-edukito e devas lernar dum ke me vivas.Me sempre esperas, samideani, via amikeso por EXTRA prenar peno de via parto por instruktar me, qua durstas ye savo ulaspecala. Kordiale, Artyom KuzminIh. From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 997 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@eGroups.com Received: (qmail 1132 invoked by uid 7770); 10 Aug 1999 04:40:06 -0000 Received: from qh.egroups.com (HELO qh.findmail.com) (10.1.2.28) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 10 Aug 1999 04:40:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 12923 invoked from network); 10 Aug 1999 04:40:06 -0000 Received: from mu.egroups.com (207.138.41.151) by qh.egroups.com with SMTP; 10 Aug 1999 04:40:06 -0000 Received: from [10.1.2.24] by mu.egroups.com with NNFMP; 10 Aug 1999 05:40:06 -0000 Date: Mon, 09 Aug 1999 21:40:05 -0700 From: ural_liz@hotmail.com To: idolisto@eGroups.com Message-ID: <7ooaf5$bot8@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.76 X-Mailer: www.eGroups.com Message Poster Subject: [ido] Dufoye Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kar samideani! Unesme me valas dankar vi por via letri e helpi. A Hans: Certe, esas ne posibla lernar (?) linguo ye 2 dii, mem se ol esas Ido. Ma me ja savis tre poke (?) Espo, do lernar Ido por me es max facila. Me ja trovis en la reto tota vortari (la angli e esperanti) e gramatiki (anke bonega gramatiko di Sro de B.!), e uli tre helpis a me. Desfelice (?) uli es tre mikra. Ma me havas la vortaro Esperanta-Rusa de Bokarev, e ol helpas multa. Ma granda dicionario de Ido en la reto esas tre necesa, ka ne?! Sin ol la propagado dil internaciona linguo es absurda. Esperantisti havas multi da vortari enretigita! Ad Adrian: Danko! Nun me povas dicar, ke ni esas la lugala kompanio, o, max exakte, la vetur-e-equipo-lugal kompanio. Ka "equipo" es korekte por l'angla vorto "equipment"? A Dmitri: Me ne pensas, ke ni du es sola rus-lingue parolanti en Ido. Se ol esus vere, qua skribus "Ido-lernolibro en Rusa linguo", Kiev 1969, Aaronov, e Interhelpo, editita dal Ido-grupo "Amikeso", Kiev 1971, videz http://www.angelfire.com/id/Avance/Librerii.html. Forsan balde me ja povos helpar vu en kreado vua Internet rus-lingua tereno pri Ido. Ka vu povus helpar me? En "Lexiko di Nova Vorti adoptita depos 1922 kompilita da Camiel De Cock" me trovis kelka vorti qui me ne komprenis tote o parte: afanono, aktinika, alternatoro, ajuna. Ka vu tradukus uli? Ma! Me komprenis la tota altri! E fene, la questiono por omna: ka vi savas la quanto da esperantisti, idisti, novialisti e Interlingua-parolanti en mondo e en diversa landi? Por me ol es tre interesa. Ka me es prava, pensante ke idistaro esas tre poka grupo kun kelka 10i o 100i di membri? Kande membri havas idolisto? ____________________ Pliz* indikez mea erori pri vorti, gramatiko, dicmaniero ec., nam me esas nura ne-edukito e devas lernar dum ke me vivas.Me sempre esperas, samideani, via amikeso por EXTRA prenar peno de via parto por instruktar me, qua durstas ye savo ulaspecala. Kordiale, Artyom KuzminIh. From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 998 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 18137 invoked by uid 7770); 10 Aug 1999 09:18:15 -0000 Received: from qh.egroups.com (HELO qh.findmail.com) (10.1.2.28) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 10 Aug 1999 09:18:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 25417 invoked from network); 10 Aug 1999 09:18:14 -0000 Received: from law-f115.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (209.185.131.178) by qh.egroups.com with SMTP; 10 Aug 1999 09:18:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 84444 invoked by uid 0); 10 Aug 1999 09:18:14 -0000 Message-ID: <19990810091814.84443.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 159.15.128.3 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 02:18:13 PDT From: "James Chandler" To: idolisto@egroups.com Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 09:18:13 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] lingual erori Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kar amiki Kelka lingual erori en recenta mesaji (omna esperantatra): prava -> justa interesa -> interesanta (de verbo interes/ar) juni -> yuni (de adjektivo yun/a; {y} <-> /j/ en Ido) Kordiale, James Chandler idojc@hotmail.com http://yi.com/home/ChandlerJames http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Forum/5037 ______________________________________________________ From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 999 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 20886 invoked by uid 7770); 10 Aug 1999 09:23:36 -0000 Received: from qg.egroups.com (HELO qg.findmail.com) (10.1.2.27) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 10 Aug 1999 09:23:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 17574 invoked from network); 10 Aug 1999 09:23:36 -0000 Received: from law-f181.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (209.185.131.244) by qg.egroups.com with SMTP; 10 Aug 1999 09:23:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 57171 invoked by uid 0); 10 Aug 1999 09:23:36 -0000 Message-ID: <19990810092336.57170.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 159.15.128.3 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 02:23:35 PDT From: "James Chandler" To: idolisto@egroups.com Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 09:23:35 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] Fwd: koliziono? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Carlo Nardini skribis: > pri blum.ar vice propozita blom.ar, fakte anke me pensabis >e skribabis la spontana "blum.ar". > Me chanjis last-instante a "blom.ar" por evitar teoriala >koliziono kun "blua maro" --> "blu-mara" --> "blu-mar". > "La blu-mar Capri". > Quon vi pensas? Me previdas nula problemi praktike. On darfas elizionar la -a di blu/a, do dicante: la blu maro. La sola problemo esus en artifical frazi quale: blumar o ne blumar, to es la questiono... (blu maro, ne ...). Ma unesme oportas questionar, ka nova verbo blum/ar, blom/ar o flor/ar es necesa. Kordiale, James Chandler idojc@hotmail.com http://yi.com/home/ChandlerJames http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Forum/5037 ______________________________________________________ From DummyAddressAndDate Thu Sep 16 11:42:17 2010 X-Yahoo-Msgnum: 1000 Delivered-To: listsaver-of-idolisto@egroups.com Mailing-List: contact idolisto-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: idolisto@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/idolisto/ Reply-To: idolisto@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-idolisto@egroups.com Received: (qmail 31071 invoked by uid 7770); 10 Aug 1999 09:44:54 -0000 Received: from qh.egroups.com (HELO qh.findmail.com) (10.1.2.28) by ivault.egroups.com with SMTP; 10 Aug 1999 09:44:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 29282 invoked from network); 10 Aug 1999 09:44:54 -0000 Received: from law-f127.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (209.185.131.190) by qh.egroups.com with SMTP; 10 Aug 1999 09:44:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 39372 invoked by uid 0); 10 Aug 1999 09:28:35 -0000 Message-ID: <19990810092835.39371.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 159.15.128.3 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 02:28:34 PDT From: "James Chandler" To: idolisto@egroups.com Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 09:28:34 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: [ido] l'eklipso venas, ma... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kar amiki L'eklipso sunal proximeskas, e mili di homi voyajas a la sudwesto, aparte a Cornwall por experiencar ol. Omnu es tre ecitita. Ma esas problemo: quale sempre en ca lando, ni ne povas predicar la vetero. Kad ol esos bona, ka ni povos vidar la suno? La meteorologisti laboras, e ni omna vartas... Kordiale, James Chandler idojc@hotmail.com http://yi.com/home/ChandlerJames http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Forum/5037 ______________________________________________________
Me pensas ke esus bon ideo havar inter-retala = revuo. Kad es posibla havar Progreso, forsan kurtigita, sur la inter-reto= ?