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INFORMO-FULGURO - PLANETO MARSO

Stranja mineralo ripozas en questiono la historio= geologial dil planeto Marso. On kredis, til nun, ke Marso ne havas plaki = tektonika ma on trovis mineralo asociata kustumale a violenta explozi volk= anal. (Artiklo en l'Ocitana)

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X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Jul 2016 10:19:00.0369 (UTC) FILETIME=[A5B85010:01D1D6A6] Subject: Frazo da Ortega y Gasset X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=211083072; y=enZdeHoT0cQ6Qal2bGi_zMuwlEs9KHn7OapBgwNfztXJcwtjvwPMbgQ X-Yahoo-Profile: idovalencia From: Che Partaka --_000_VI1PR0201MB2221FAE80932C542B616DCC7ADD390VI1PR0201MB2221_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable "Granda parto del homaro ne havas interna vivo plusa kam olta di sua paroli= , e sua sentimenti reduktesas ad existo parola." (Ortega y Gasset) (Par= taka) --_000_VI1PR0201MB2221FAE80932C542B616DCC7ADD390VI1PR0201MB2221_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Jul 2016 10:00:54.0132 (UTC) FILETIME=[48AF7340:01D1D76D] Subject: Frazo da Ortega y Gasset X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=211083072; y=mlqyAA3PV71Pl-R_OE4YaEdrzfKGQgPb34y0fi4egs-BldITwQ6ztwM X-Yahoo-Profile: idovalencia From: Che Partaka --_000_VI1PR0201MB22216B14A7775C30067B800B3DD3A0VI1PR0201MB2221_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable "Nur posiblesas avancar, kande on regardas adfore. Nur posiblesas progresar= , kande on pensas grandiozamente." (Ortega y Gasset) (Partaka) --_000_VI1PR0201MB22216B14A7775C30067B800B3DD3A0VI1PR0201MB2221_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Jul 2016 03:45:55.0482 (UTC) FILETIME=[10DBA7A0:01D1D802] Subject: Frazo da Ortega y Gasset X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=211083072; y=N1uBY6epre3-1Ju58Z71eP6fPDwYlQrRyiNge_in7y6Tf2EOAkmb7KA X-Yahoo-Profile: idovalencia From: Che Partaka --_000_VI1PR0201MB22218D93C55BD5FB7A65355FDDD3B0VI1PR0201MB2221_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable "Quale on esas, tale on amas." (Ortega y Gasset) (Partaka) --_000_VI1PR0201MB22218D93C55BD5FB7A65355FDDD3B0VI1PR0201MB2221_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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1540. La mariajo di Henry la 8ma di Anglia ed = ilua quaresma spozino Anna von Kleve esis nihiligata. El esis filiino di Ge= rmana nobelo la duko de Kleve. La mariajo aranjesis, pro politikala motivi,= da Thomas Cromwell, chefa ministro di la rejo. Henry odiis Anna ye la unes= ma renkontro; la mariajeso nihiligesis kelka monati pos la evento en 1540, = e Cromwell esis exekutata en la sama yaro.

1877. La u= nesma turniro di teniso ye Wimbledon komencis kelka yari pos ke la ludo esi= s inventata. La nura kategorio esis Homuli Sola. Esis 22 partoprenanti, e y= e la unesma dio dek ludi eventis. Cirkume 200 spektanti vidis la finala lud= o, ye 19 di julio. La gananto di la konkurso esis Spencer Gore, qua anke es= is kriketo-ludanto por la komtio Surrey.

1979. La kosmosondilo Voyager 2 atingis maxim proximeso, 570.000 km, a la= planeto Jupitero. Ol esis lansita ye 20 di agosto 1977 por explorar la plu= distanta planeti de sunala sistemo: Jupitero, Saturno, Neptuno ed Urano. L= a sondilo fotografis la tempesto di la Granda Reda Makulo di Jupitero, e al= tra tempesti en la nubi; ol deskovris volkanala aktivesi sur la satelito Io= , ed interesiva lineala traiti sur la satelito Europa.

Kordiale DGW
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X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Jul 2016 10:35:57.0580 (UTC) FILETIME=[2CEAA4C0:01D1DC29] Subject: Frazo da Hemingway X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=211083072; y=XD34l6PwBYZHgD2HQ4nR_gbXfu2IfcMHQQlMXthSt40QRlX89spmzFY X-Yahoo-Profile: idovalencia From: Che Partaka --_000_VI1PR0201MB2221050EF8BB9E884C5F1BB47DD300VI1PR0201MB2221_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable "Omna homo racionoza esas ateisto." (Hemingway) (Partaka) --_000_VI1PR0201MB2221050EF8BB9E884C5F1BB47DD300VI1PR0201MB2221_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

"Omna homo racionooza esas ateisto." (Heming= way)

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Kara Partaka,
 
Pri co, me ne esas tante certa, nam la ateismo esas kred= o simila ad altra. La vera racionoza homi, segun mea judiko, esas la agnos= tiki, pro ke li kredas nulo ed asertas nulo. Li koncias ke nia homala ment= o esas tro mikra por intelektar valide la misterio dil mondo.
 

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"Omna homo racionoza esas at= eisto." (Hemingway)

 

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X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Jul 2016 16:51:06.0769 (UTC) FILETIME=[95705010:01D1DC5D] Subject: Re: [IdoCatalaOccitan] Frazo da Hemingway X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=211083072; y=hL3-JfYEk2GyyOk4N3tFpszWfTRRwZrRcXUGlyQelH1guIt45IRJ0eI X-Yahoo-Profile: idovalencia From: Che Partaka --_000_VI1PR0201MB22211D55D2410297FF0EF330DDD300VI1PR0201MB2221_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Kara Jean-Claude: Danko pro tua opiniono, quan me certe valorizas. Me nur = tradukas e riproduktas famoza frazi di pasinta eminenti, qui nun-tempe ne e= sas inter ni, e qui do povas adjuntar nulo a to, quon li dicis olim. Tamen,= me ipsa sentas, ofte, ke me volunte diskutus o precizigus kelka frazi, pri= olqui me ne tote konkordas. Yen recenta exemplo pri frazo anke da Hemingwa= y: me ne kredas, ke feliceso esas rarajo che inteligenta homo. Ed altra-lat= ere, me ipsa kredas esar racionoza sen esar ateisto. Se me ne savas, me ne = asertas. (Partaka) ________________________________ De: IdoCatalaO= ccitan@yahoogroups.com nome di martignon= .jean@... [IdoCatalaOccitan] Dato= : mardio, la 12ma di julio 2016, 11:19 adm Che: IdoCatalaOccitan@yahoogroup= s.com Afero: Re: [IdoCatalaOccitan] Frazo da Hemingway Kara Partaka, Pr= i co, me ne esas tante certa, nam la ateismo esas kredo simila ad altra. La= vera racionoza homi, segun mea judiko, esas la agnostiki, pro ke li kredas= nulo ed asertas nulo. Li koncias ke nia homala mento esas tro mikra por in= telektar valide la misterio dil mondo. From: Che Partaka chepartaka@hotma= il.com [IdoCatalaOccitan] Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2016 12:35 PM To: idocatalaoccitan@yahoogroups.c= om Subject: [IdoCatalaOccitan] Fra= zo da Hemingway "Omna homo racionoza esas ateisto." (Hemingway) (Par= taka) --_000_VI1PR0201MB22211D55D2410297FF0EF330DDD300VI1PR0201MB2221_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

K= ara Jean-Claude:

Danko pro tua opiniono= , quan me certe valorizas. Me nur tradukas e riproduktas famoza frazi = di pasinta eminenti, qui nun-tempe ne esas inter ni, e qui do pov= as adjuntar nulo a to, quon li dicis olim. Tamen, me ipsa sentas, ofte, ke= me volunte diskutus o precizigus kelka frazi, pri olqui me ne tote ko= nkordas. Yen recenta exemplo pri frazo anke da Hemingway: me ne kredas= , ke feliceso esas rarajo che inteligenta homo. Ed altra-latere, me ipsa&n= bsp;kredas esar racionoza sen esar ateisto. Se me ne savas, me ne asertas. =

 

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Dato: mardio, la 12ma di julio 2016, 11:19 adm<= /b>
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<= strong>Kara Partak= a,
 
Pri co, me ne esas tante cert= a, nam la ateismo esas kredo simila ad altra. La vera racionoza homi, segun= mea judiko, esas la agnostiki, pro ke li kredas nulo ed asertas nulo. Li k= oncias ke nia homala mento esas tro mikra por intelektar valide la misteri= o dil mondo.
 

Sent: Tuesday, Jul= y 12, 2016 12:35 PM
Subject: [IdoCatalaOccitan] Frazo da Hemingway

 

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"Omna homo racionoza esas ateisto."= ; (Hemingway)

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Kara= Partaka,

Me decidis, ke la genro dil maniiko n= e importas; omna homi havas demento en li. Anke, talmaniere me tre facile d= istingis inter "lu", la demento, ed "ilu", la biciklisto.

E plusa tordajo ye la konkluzo rare minvalorigas!

Danko pro tua jentila vorti!

Br= ian
 


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Ho, kara Brian!
Inter tante multa e nura "lu", se ne esabus pro = nur un "il", che l'unesma paragrafo di tua tradukuro, ni ne deskovrabus, ke= l' demento esas dementulo (e ne dementino :-)
 
Sempre, dum lektar tua Ido= -verki, me sentas granda plezuro e joyo.. Gratuli, amiko!
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[IdoCatalaOccitan]" X-Mailer: Pocomail 4.8 (4400) - Licensed Version Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 21:33:52 +0100 Message-ID: <2016713213352.011111@D9B5MN3J> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Stenografo por Ido. Anciena revui X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=347562246 From: "Robert C." <= style type=3D"text/css">
Pro esforco respondar ad inqu= esto, en la forumo Idolinguo, pri libreto tre poke trovebla (Koresteno; da = Ferdinand Schrey ; adaptita ad Ido da Ilmari Federn; pri korespondo-stenogr= afo; 1932; 16 pagini), me deskovris du kozi qui forsan interesas plu genera= le.
 
Bibliografio pri stenografo
[Pri libri ed artikli en o pri Esperanto, Ido= , Interlingue, Volapuk]
 
ARCA: arxiu de revistes catalanes ant= igues
Exemple: = http://mdc2.cbuc.cat/cdm/ref/collection/lucha/id/61 - revuo Lucha kun I= do-suplemento Laboro.
 
Robert C.
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X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Jul 2016 01:10:20.0399 (UTC) FILETIME=[7D9B47F0:01D1DD6C] Subject: Re: [IdoCatalaOccitan] Frazo da Hemingway X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=211083072; y=Mgae8fp1luofi4_SypYUHvjseutVvCpzItX48cXj3hH1ZkgwihWug3o X-Yahoo-Profile: idovalencia From: Che Partaka --_000_VI1PR0201MB222130B8F1434BF70D0A800C6DD320VI1PR0201MB2221_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable E nun, kara Jean-Claude, yen pluso: nia kustumal e preske ne-evitebla sinkr= oniceso. Hiere vespere, pos mea respondo-letro a tu, me vidis, surtable ed = apud apertita fenestro di mea domo, anke apertita jurnalo gratuita. Ibe apa= ras artiklo pri libro recente publikigita da ulu. Yen la titulo: "Me kredas= ". E yen la maxim granda reklamo-texto di tal artiklo: "Kredar esas decido = tam racionoze fundamentizita kam no kredar". Ibe, onu skriptas pri cienco, = religio, ateismo, edc. Tal temo esas exakte olta quan ni jus traktabis. Ka = mem ulo plusa? Ho, yes! Mea spozino asertis ne apertir ta 46-pagina jurnalo= . "Forsan ol apertesis dal vento", el adjuntis. Ka vere? Ka l' vento selekt= is la justa pagino? Do, kar amiko, la respondo esas che l' vento :-) (P= artaka) ________________________________ Kara Jean-Claude: Danko p= ro tua opiniono, quan me certe valorizas. Me nur tradukas e riproduktas fam= oza frazi di pasinta eminenti, qui nun-tempe ne esas inter ni, e qui do pov= as adjuntar nulo a to, quon li dicis olim. Tamen, me ipsa sentas, ofte, ke = me volunte diskutus o precizigus kelka frazi, pri olqui me ne tote konkorda= s. Yen recenta exemplo pri frazo anke da Hemingway: me ne kredas, ke felice= so esas rarajo che inteligenta homo. Ed altra-latere, me ipsa kredas esar r= acionoza sen esar ateisto. Se me ne savas, me ne asertas. (Partaka) = ________________________________ De: IdoCatalaOccitan@yahoogroups.com nome di martignon.jean@... [IdoCatal= aOccitan] Dato: mardio, la 12ma di julio= 2016, 11:19 adm Che: IdoCatalaOccitan@yahoogroups.com Afero: Re: [IdoCatal= aOccitan] Frazo da Hemingway Kara Partaka, Pri co, me ne esas tante cer= ta, nam la ateismo esas kredo simila ad altra. La vera racionoza homi, segu= n mea judiko, esas la agnostiki, pro ke li kredas nulo ed asertas nulo. Li = koncias ke nia homala mento esas tro mikra por intelektar valide la misteri= o dil mondo. From: Che Partaka chepartaka@... [IdoCatalaOccitan]<= mailto:chepartaka@...%20[IdoCatalaOccitan]> Sent: Tuesday, July 12,= 2016 12:35 PM To: idocatalaoccitan@yahoogroups.com Subject: [IdoCatalaOccitan] Frazo da Hemingway "Omna h= omo racionoza esas ateisto." (Hemingway) (Partaka) --_000_VI1PR0201MB222130B8F1434BF70D0A800C6DD320VI1PR0201MB2221_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

E= nun, kara Jean-Claude, yen pluso: nia kustumal e preske ne-evitebla s= inkroniceso. Hiere vespere, pos mea respondo-letro a tu, me vidis, surtable= ed apud apertita fenestro di mea domo, anke apertita jurnalo gratuit= a. Ibe aparas artiklo pri libro recente publikigita da ulu. Yen la titulo: = "Me kredas". E yen la maxim granda reklamo-texto di tal arti= klo: "Kredar esas decido tam racionoze fundamentizita kam no kredar&qu= ot;. Ibe, onu skriptas pri cienco, religio, ateismo, edc. Tal temo esas ex= akte olta quan ni jus traktabis. Ka mem ulo plusa? Ho, yes! Mea spozin= o asertis ne apertir ta 46-pagina jurnalo. "Forsan ol apertesis d= al vento", el adjuntis. Ka vere? Ka l' vento selektis la justa pagino?=  Do, kar amiko, la respondo esas che l' vento :-) =

 

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Ka= ra Jean-Claude:

Dank= o pro tua opiniono, quan me certe valorizas. Me nur tradukas e riprodu= ktas famoza frazi di pasinta eminenti, qui nun-tempe ne esas inter ni, e qu= i do povas adjuntar nulo a to, quon li dicis olim. Tamen, me ips= a sentas, ofte, ke me volunte diskutus o precizigus kelka frazi, pri o= lqui me ne tote konkordas. Yen recenta exemplo pri frazo anke da Hemin= gway: me ne kredas, ke feliceso esas rarajo che inteligenta homo. Ed altra-= latere, me ipsa kredas esar racionoza sen esar ateisto. Se me ne sava= s, me ne asertas.

 

 (Partaka)&nbbsp; 



 


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De: IdoCatalaOcc= itan@yahoogroups.com  nome di&= nbsp;martignon.jean@... [IdoCatalaOccitan]
Dato: mardio, la 12ma di julio 2016, 11:19 adm Che: IdoCatalaOccitan@yahoogroups.com
Afero: Re: [IdoC= atalaOccitan] Frazo da Hemingway
 
 

Kara Partaka,
 
Pri co, = me ne esas tante certa, nam la ateismo esas kredo simila ad altra. La vera = racionoza homi, segun mea judiko, esas la agnostiki, pro ke li kredas nulo = ed asertas nulo. Li koncias ke nia homala mento esas tro mikra por intelek= tar valide la misterio dil mondo.
 
<= div>

Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2016 12:35 PM
Subject: [IdoCatalaOccitan] Frazo da Hemi= ngway

 

"Omna homo racionoza esa= s ateisto." (Hemingway)

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 (Partaka)

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Yes, me uzis la texti kom skribita en la Antologio, e de Quar= adek Fabli da Houillon (1928). Ido ya chanjis, ma ne tante multe. Me joyas,= ke ni havas 'olda Ido', quan me opinionas esar uzebla por ula kazi literat= ural. Mea fratino studias Esperanto, ed evidente l'Esperantisti nun parolas= tre diferante kam la Fundamento imperas, dicante nur, 'Nu, tale ni parolas= nun.' Ma li ne audacas chanjar la Fundamento! Kelka chanji dum la vivo di= Ido forsan ne esis necesa, ma me prizas la chanjebleso di nia idiomo. Sen = chanjo, omno mortas. =C2=A0Brian Sent from Yahoo Mail. Get the app = From: "qualevistandas@... [IdoCatalaOccitan]" To: IdoCatalaOccitan@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, July 18, 2= 016 8:33 AM Subject: [IdoCatalaOccitan] Re: Nova poemo-videi =C2=A0 = Bon jorno, Brian!=C2=A0Se me juste memoras, tua paro de Ido-poemi da Henry = Devannes skriptesis en 1913, ka ne? Me konjektas, ke tu chanjis nulo ibe, e= ke tu nur riproduktis la vorti skriptita da nia pioniro, ka ne? Nu, se la = Ido-texti, quin tu prizentis, skriptesis tale en 1913, esas advere impresan= ta la preske nula chanjo di Ido mem pos un yarcento. 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Yes, me uzis la texti kom skribita en= la Antologio, e de Quaradek Fabli da Houillon (1928). Ido ya chanjis, ma n= e tante multe. Me joyas, ke ni havas 'olda Ido', quan me opinionas esar uze= bla por ula kazi literatural. Mea fratino studias Esperanto, ed evidente l'= Esperantisti nun parolas tre diferante kam la Fundamento imperas, dicante n= ur, 'Nu, tale ni parolas nun.' Ma li ne audacas chanjar la Fundamento!
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Kelka chanji dum la vivo di Ido forsan ne esis = necesa, ma me prizas la chanjebleso di nia idiomo. Sen chanjo, omno mortas.=
 Brian


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From: "qualevistandas@... [IdoC= atalaOccitan]"
To: IdoCatalaOccitan@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, July 18, 2= 016 8:33 AM
Subject: [IdoCatalaOccitan] Re: Nova poemo-videi

 
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Bon jorno, Brian! 
Se me= juste memoras, tua paro de Ido-poemi da Henry Devannes skriptesis en 1913,= ka ne? Me konjektas, ke tu chanjis nulo ibe, e ke tu nur riproduktis la vo= rti skriptita da nia pioniro, ka ne? Nu, se la Ido-texti, quin tu prizentis= , skriptesis tale en 1913, esas advere impresanta la preske nula chanjo di = Ido mem pos un yarcento. Do, ti qui asertis, ke Ido sinkos pro lua senfina = reformi e chanji, tote eroris. 

 (Partaka) 
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Me opinionas ke linguo povas evolucionar per la uzado e la literaturo. Per la literaturo on darfas propozar vorti o elementi di gramatiko, ma nur la uzado sancionos ico. Se no, lore ico esos l'idiolekto di la skriptisto. Ma me ridas pri la aserto da ula Idisti adoptigar nova modena vorti por nia linguo per la (libera) diskutado, nam tale li kredas agar demokrate. Ma, me, qua laboras singladie pri nia linguo, me konstatas ke esas multa moderna vorti di la singladia vivo (e mem kelkafoye anciena vorti) same kam nova vorti teknika pri qua nia "demokrata decidanti" ne havas idei, nam li ne tradukas singladie texti ad Ido e laboras nur okazionale e sen permananta kontakto konkreta a la linguo. Li adoptigas vorti, quin, ofte, nulu uzos pro ke indijesas la specalisti qui povus utiligar oli, dum ke li ignoras vorti tote necesa pro ke li ne laboras konkrete singladie pri e por nia linguo. La vera demokratio, koncernante la linguo, ne esas la decidi da mikra minoritato de Idisti, kelkafoye ne tre savoza pri nia linguo, ma l'adopto - o ne - da la plumulta Idisti per imito da valida texti. Lore, on povos sancionar o ne la ja existanta uzado. Vu plendas pro la netoleremeso da Idisti, me konkordas kun vu, nam la homi qui volas decidar pri la fato di nia linguo per lia quaze deala povo krear nova vorti esas tre netolerema e ne nur interdisputas, ma havas mento strete ortodoxa, kande ne parolesas pri la reformi (o kreuri) volata da li. 'Itaque', me preferas la laboro ed ignorar la diskuti. Ma me esas furioza, pro la alineo qua posibligas senfine diskutar por ameliorar nia linguo. Certe omna lingui evolucionas mustas adaptar su, ma ico povas facesar nur per konstanta ed experiencoza laboro literatural e ne per diskuti da homi, qui, kelkfafoye, esas nulsavanti. Ca principo di diskutadi produktis la nuna febla stando di Ido. Se on adoptabus, quale ja dum la mezo dil yari 1930ma ed anke pose, la lora ULI-prezidanti propozis lo, la principo dil amelioro di nia linguo per la laboro literatural e la uzado, versimile, ni vivus plu komforte nia Idisteso hodie e ni esus plu grandanombra. Kordiale. JM :::-::: Le 18/07/2016 à 17:28, 'Robert C.' ido@... [IdoCatalaOccitan] a écrit : > Kara Jean e Partaka, > Me ne savas pro quo la personi mencionita livis, ma disputachi ya esas > repulsiva ed evitinda. > Polita diskutado, tamen, esas altra e necesa afero; tale Ido adoptesis > e developesis. On darfas propozar altra moyeno, ma on devas respektar > la tilnuna moyeno til ke majoritato decidas diferante. > La radiko "dubit" (vice "dub") adoptesis 88 yari ante nun (en 1928); > on ne devas prizar ol ma supozeble ol adoptesis demokrate. On certe > darfas argumentar ke la chanjo esis mala, ma on devas respektar (til > ke on persuadas altri demokrate) ke olua uzo esas justa. La radiko > "hel" ne remplasis "klar", nam li havas senci diferanta. On povas > trovar kelka mala chanji (nulu esas perfekta; erori eventas), ma tala > problemi esas rezolvebla per plusa diskuto. > Un problemo prezenta esas manko di (polita) diskuto pri vorti > bezonata. En recenta yari adminime tri Idisti laboris serioze pri ta > bezoni, ma nun li semblas ne esar videbla inter ni, forsan pro ke lia > esforci ignoresis. Do, la problemo esas duopla: unlatere disputachi e > manko di toleremeso, ed altralatere manko di intereso. > Kordiale. > Robert C. > > Heus Partaka ! > > Chanji eventis tamen. Exemple la vorto dubito vice dubo, hela vice > klara (koncernante koloro) etp. Kelka de ta reformi esis tante stulta > ke, fortunoze, oli ne havis efekto. Ma la disputi pro la reformi o la > volo por reformi esis tante akra ke oli departigis multa valoroza > elementi di nia movado. Pri Fernando Tejon, me ne savas, ma la tro > facila disputi departigis Frank Kasper, Thomas Schmidt, Detlev Groth > ed altra utila personi. Do la posibleso di senfina reformi per diskuti > havis dizastroza rezultajo. Se on rezolvabus ke evoluciono di la > linguo povabus eventar per la literaturo e la uzado e ne per diskuti > (e disputi), mem se la linguo evolucionabus plu multe la efiko esabus > min devastera. Ed Ido, probable, havus plu multa adheranti hodie ed > esus plu konsiderata en la mondo dil Interlinguistiko. > > Kordiale. JM :::-::: > > > > Le 18/07/2016 à 14:33,qualevistandas@... > [IdoCatalaOccitan] a écrit : > *Bon jorno, Brian! * > *Se me juste memoras, tua paro de Ido-poemi da Henry Devannes > skriptesis en 1913, ka ne? Me konjektas, ke tu chanjis nulo ibe, e ke > tu nur riproduktis la vorti skriptita da nia pioniro, ka ne? Nu, se la > Ido-texti, quin tu prizentis, skriptesis tale en 1913, esas advere > impresanta la preske nula chanjo di Ido mem pos un yarcento. Do, ti > qui asertis, ke Ido sinkos pro lua senfina reformi e chanji, tote > eroris. * > * > * > * (Partaka) * > > --------------BC99BB48869FB251C94A2A45 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

Kara Robert,

Mea vidpunto divenis tote diferanta. Me opinionas ke linguo povas evolucionar per la uzado e la literaturo. Per la literaturo on darfas propozar vorti o elementi di gramatiko, ma nur la uzado sancionos ico. Se no, lore ico esos l'idiolekto di la skriptisto. Ma me ridas pri la aserto da ula Idisti adoptigar nova modena vorti por nia linguo per la (libera) diskutado, nam tale li kredas agar demokrate. Ma, me, qua laboras singladie pri nia linguo, me konstatas ke esas multa moderna vorti di la singladia vivo (e mem kelkafoye anciena vorti) same kam nova vorti teknika pri qua nia "demokrata decidanti" ne havas idei, nam li ne tradukas singladie texti ad Ido e laboras nur okazionale e sen permananta kontakto konkreta a la linguo. Li adoptigas vorti, quin, ofte, nulu uzos pro ke indijesas la specalisti qui povus utiligar oli, dum ke li ignoras vorti tote necesa pro ke li ne laboras konkrete singladie pri e por nia linguo. La vera demokratio, koncernante la linguo, ne esas la decidi da mikra minoritato de Idisti, kelkafoye ne tre savoza pri nia linguo, ma l'adopto - o ne - da la plumulta Idisti per imito da valida texti. Lore, on povos sancionar o ne la ja existanta uzado. Vu plendas pro la netoleremeso da Idisti, me konkordas kun vu, nam la homi qui volas decidar pri la fato  di nia linguo per lia quaze deala povo krear nova vorti esas tre netolerema e ne nur interdisputas, ma havas mento strete ortodoxa, kande ne parolesas pri la reformi (o kreuri) volata da li. 'Itaque', me preferas la laboro ed ignorar la diskuti. Ma me esas furioza, pro la alineo qua posibligas senfine diskutar por ameliorar nia linguo. Certe omna lingui evolucionas mustas adaptar su, ma ico povas facesar nur per konstanta ed experiencoza laboro literatural e ne per diskuti da homi, qui, kelkfafoye, esas nulsavanti. Ca principo di diskutadi produktis la nuna febla stando di Ido. Se on adoptabus, quale ja dum la mezo dil yari 1930ma ed anke pose, la lora ULI-prezidanti propozis lo, la principo dil amelioro di nia linguo per la laboro literatural e la uzado, versimile, ni vivus plu komforte nia Idisteso hodie e ni esus plu grandanombra. Kordiale. JM :::-:::


Le 18/07/2016 à 17:28, 'Robert C.' ido@... [IdoCatalaOccitan] a écrit :
 
Kara Jean e Partaka,
 
Me ne savas pro quo la personi mencionita livis, ma disputachi ya esas repulsiva ed evitinda.
Polita diskutado, tamen, esas altra e necesa afero; tale Ido adoptesis e developesis. On darfas propozar altra moyeno, ma on devas respektar la tilnuna moyeno til ke majoritato decidas diferante.
 
La radiko "dubit" (vice "dub") adoptesis 88 yari ante nun (en 1928); on ne devas prizar ol ma supozeble ol adoptesis demokrate. On certe darfas argumentar ke la chanjo esis mala, ma on devas respektar (til ke on persuadas altri demokrate) ke olua uzo esas justa. La radiko "hel" ne remplasis "klar", nam li havas senci diferanta. On povas trovar kelka mala chanji (nulu esas perfekta; erori eventas), ma tala problemi esas rezolvebla per plusa diskuto.
 
Un problemo prezenta esas manko di (polita) diskuto pri vorti bezonata. En recenta yari adminime tri Idisti laboris serioze pri ta bezoni, ma nun li semblas ne esar videbla inter ni, forsan pro ke lia esforci ignoresis. Do, la problemo esas duopla: unlatere disputachi e manko di toleremeso, ed altralatere manko di intereso.
 
Kordiale.
Robert C.

Heus Partaka !

Chanji eventis tamen. Exemple la vorto dubito vice dubo, hela vice klara (koncernante koloro) etp. Kelka de ta reformi esis tante stulta ke, fortunoze, oli ne havis efekto. Ma la disputi pro la reformi o la volo por reformi esis tante akra ke oli departigis multa valoroza elementi di nia movado. Pri Fernando Tejon, me ne savas, ma la tro facila disputi departigis Frank Kasper, Thomas Schmidt, Detlev Groth ed altra utila personi. Do la posibleso di senfina reformi per diskuti havis dizastroza rezultajo. Se on rezolvabus ke evoluciono di la linguo povabus eventar per la literaturo e la uzado e ne per diskuti (e disputi), mem se la linguo evolucionabus plu multe la efiko esabus min devastera. Ed Ido, probable, havus plu multa adheranti hodie ed esus plu konsiderata en la mondo dil Interlinguistiko.

Kordiale. JM :::-:::



Le 18/07/2016 à 14:33, qualevistandas@... [IdoCatalaOccitan] a écrit :
 
Bon jorno, Brian! 
Se me juste memoras, tua paro de Ido-poemi da Henry Devannes skriptesis en 1913, ka ne? Me konjektas, ke tu chanjis nulo ibe, e ke tu nur riproduktis la vorti skriptita da nia pioniro, ka ne? Nu, se la Ido-texti, quin tu prizentis, skriptesis tale en 1913, esas advere impresanta la preske nula chanjo di Ido mem pos un yarcento. Do, ti qui asertis, ke Ido sinkos pro lua senfina reformi e chanji, tote eroris. 

 (Partaka) 


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Yen mea motivi pro quo me judikas, ke la reformeti pos = Dyer (1924) esas nekoheranta e neutila. Ta chanji neutile desfaciligis mea = lernesko di Ido e me esperas, ke la lernonti ne esos misinformata quale me.= -AB- La Idisti ante 1947 povis expresar omna tempi sen bezonar la finalo = =AB -abas =BB. Ni ne bezonas ol, quale lo explikas la Kompleta Gramatiko de= taloza (parto Sufixi, noto 1a). ABISO Ni ja havas =AB abismo =BB, do =AB a= biso =BB esas simple neutila. ABSTRAKTA Ni ja havas =AB abstraktar =BB, do= =ABabstrakt-ita =BB. Ta vorto venas de la verbo Latina =AB abstrahere =BB,= do ol esas inherante verbo. La propozajo =AB abstrakta =BB venas de la vor= to Latina =AB abstractus =BB, qua esas simple la participo pasinta di =AB a= bstrahere =BB. Pro to, la verbo superesas l'adjektivo; e =AB abstraktar =BB= e =AB abstrakt-ita =BB esas justa etimologiale. ALKALDO Ni ja havas =AB a= lkado =BB. Ta vorto venas del Araba =AB al-qadi =BB. La =AB L =BB esas neut= ila e nekorekta de vid-punto etimologial. ARTILERIO Ni ja havas =AB artilr= io =BB. Ta vorto venas de la (Olda) Franca =AB artillerie =BB en qua on ne = pronuncas la unesma =AB E =BB. Ni sequez la altra vorto Franca =AB cavaller= ie =BB, en qua anke on ne ponuncas la unesma =AB E =BB, e qua esas =AB kava= lrio =BB en Ido. Konseque, ni uzez =AB artilrio =BB pro kohero fonetikal ed= etimologial. AUSPICIO Ni ja havas =AB auspico =BB. Ta vorto venas de la L= atina =AB auspicium =BB. La kustumo di la pioniri esis rempasigar la finalo= Latina =AB ium =BB per la finalo =AB o =BB en Ido. To esas pro quo =AB chr= omium =BB divenis =AB kromo =BB, pro quo =AB delicium =BB divenis =AB delic= o =BB, pro quo =AB delirium =BB divenis =AB deliro =BB, pro quo =AB endocar= dium =BB divenis =AB endokardo =BB, pro quo =AB equilibrium =BB divenis =AB= equilibro =BB, pro quo =AB magnesium =BB divenis =AB magnezo =BB, pro quo = =AB prothallium =BB divenis =AB protalo =BB, pro quo =AB rubidium =BB diven= is =AB rubido =BB, pro quo =AB ruthenium =BB divenis =AB ruteno =BB, pro qu= o =AB taedium =BB divenis =AB tedo =BB, pro quo =AB tellurium =BB divenis = =AB teluro =BB, pro quo =AB titanium =BB divenis =AB titano =BB, pro quo = =AB trapezium =BB divenis =AB trapezo =BB, pro quo =AB uranium =BB divenis = =AB urano =BB, pro quo =AB vanadium =BB divenis =AB vanado =BB, pro quo =AB= yitterbium =BB divenis =AB yiterbo =BB, pro quo =AB yttrium =BB divenis = =AB yitro =BB, e. c.. To esas metodo da Zamenhof quan la pioniri konservis.= Esas partikulara kazi en qua =AB ium =BB divenas =AB io =BB, ma =AB auspic= ium =BB, =AB delicium =BB e =AB dubium =BB ne esas tala kazi. Nur =AB auspi= co =BB esas do justa. AVIONO Ni ja havas =AB aeroplano =BB, qua esas tote = internaciona e tote bona. CERTENA To ofras nulo utila quan =AB ula =BB ne = povas expresar. DELICIO Ni ja havas =AB delico =BB, qua venas de la Latina= =AB delicium =BB. Videz la expliko en AUSPICIO. Nur =AB delico =BB esas ju= sta. DICIONARIO Ni ja havas =AB vort-aro =BB e =AB vorto-libro =BB, e la p= ioniri nultempe adoptis ta vorto mem se li uzis ta koncepto tre ofte. Pro q= uo ni bezonus ol nun? DINOSAURO* Ni ja havas =AB dinosaurio =BB, qua venas= de la Latina =AB Dinosauria =BB e de =AB saurio =BB en Ido. Segun la kustu= mo di la pioniri, la finalo Latina =AB ia =BB divenas =AB io =BB en Ido. To= esas pro quo =AB abulia =BB divenis =AB abulio =BB, pro quo =AB aktinia = =BB divenis =AB aktinio =BB, pro quo =AB ambrosia =BB divenis =AB ambrozio = =BB, =AB amnesia =BB divenis =AB amnezio =BB, pro quo =AB anaemia =BB diven= is =AB anemio =BB, pro quo =AB analgesia =BB divenis =AB analgezio =BB, pro= quo =AB aphasia =BB divenis =AB afazio =BB, pro quo =AB ataxia =BB divenis= =AB ataxio =BB, e. c.. Konseque, =AB dinosaurio =BB esas tote korekta. DO= LARO Ta monet-uno ne esas en la metrala sistemo; videz en la Kompleta Grama= tiko detaloza, parto Propra Nomi, artiklo 18a. DUBITO Ni ja havas =AB dubo= =BB. Stando-verbi tala kam =AB delirar =BB, =AB equilibrar =BB, =AB jornar= =BB, =AB pacar =BB, e. c., venas de stando-nomi: =AB deliro =BB, =AB equil= ibro =BB, =AB jorno =BB, =AB paco =BB, e. c.. Por plusa detali, videz en la= Kompleta Gramatiko detaloza, parto Nemediata Derivado, 1a noto. =AB Dubito= =BB esas nekorekta nam ol venas de la verbo =AB dubitare =BB qua derivesas= de la stando-vorto =AB dubium =BB e ne de la stando-vorto =AB dubium =BB i= psa. Sualatere, =AB dubo =BB esas tote justa. EMO Ni ja havas =AB skopo = =BB. EMPLASTRO La antea defini di =AB plastro =BB e di =AB gipso =BB esas = tote korekta. GENITORI Ni ja havas =AB genit-inti =BB, qua havas la sam or= igino etimologial e la sama senco logikala. Ultre to, =AB ge-patri =BB tote= respektas la metodo di la pioniri en qua on uzas la maskula vorto Latina k= om origino di la genroneutra vorto en Ido : =AB avo =BB de =AB avus =BB, = =AB onklo =BB de =AB avunculus =BB, =AB filio =BB de =AB filius =BB, =AB fr= ato =BB de =AB frater =BB, =AB patro =BB de =AB pater =BB, e.c.. HOLA Ol n= ultempe esis sinonimo di =AB saluto =BB. HODIE Ni ja havas =AB ca-die =BB,= qua signifikas lo sama kam =AB hodie =BB segun la Kompleta Gramatiko detal= oza. =AB Ho- =BB kom sufixo esas anke neutila, nam ol havas la sama senco k= am =AB ca- =BB. MILIETO Ni ja havas =AB milyeto =BB, qua venas de la Franc= a =AB millet =BB. La pioniri transskribis ta Franca =AB ill =BB fonetikale = : =AB ily =BB. Konseque, ni havas anke =AB malyoto =BB de =AB maillot =BB. = En la sama metodo, la Franca =AB gn =BB divenis =AB ny =BB en Ido : =AB kon= yako =BB, =AB onyono =BB, =AB ponyeto =BB, =AB vinyeto =BB, e.c.. Stranje, = nulu remplasigis =AB malyoto =BB per =AB malioto =BB. PLASTRO La antea def= ini di =AB plastro =BB e di =AB gipso =BB esas tote korekta. RET-SITUO Une= sme, Dyer nultempe skribas =AB t-s =BB nam ol esas evitinda pro konflikto k= un =AB c =BB, do : =AB reto-situo =BB. Duesme, =AB situo =BB esas ago ma la= Angla =AB (web)site =BB esas kozo. Konseque, la korekta traduko esas =AB r= eto-loko =BB plu juste kam =AB reto-situo =BB. SEKRETARIATO Nu, ni ja hava= s =AB sekretari-erio =BB e =AB sekretari-eyo =BB (quale =AB komisari-eyo = =BB, qua ne esas =AB komisariato =BB). TANDEM Ni ja havas =AB fine =BB, qu= ale uzata en la Kompleta Gramatiko detaloza e konsilata da Dyer. ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01D1E13C.8E8B55B80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable = =
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Danko, Jean, pro kopio di ta komenti. Me ne havas tempo p= or studiar omna punti tre detaloze. En ula kazi me konsentas, o mi-konsenta= s kun Gilles-Philippe Morin, en ula kazi me ne havas forta opiniono, ed en = altra kazi me opinionas ke il eroras, quale me explikos.
 
ABSTRAKTA: Adjektivo (antonimo di "kon= kreta") esas moderna formo internaciona, ed ol anke semblas esar plu apta k= am "abstraktita", e simile "abstrakteso" vice "abstraktiteso". La precipua = bazo di Ido esas la lingui AFGHIR, qui havas anke verbala formo, ma Ido ne = povas havar samtempe verbo ed adjektivo kun sama radiko, do on mustis selek= tar un od altra. Motivo por uzar "abstrakt" prefere por la adjektivo esas k= e nur A uzas ol por la verbo, dum ke plura lingui uzas ol adjektive.=
 
ALKALDO: "Ni ja havas =AB = alkado =BB" dicas Morin. Ula lingui nacionala inkluzas la litero "l", dum k= e altri ne inkluzas ol. Me trovas "alkado" sen asterisko nur en la dicionar= io da Pesch (probable eroro), dum ke adminime tri altra vortolibri (qui edi= tesis ante e pos ta da Pesch) donas "alkaldo" sen asterisko.
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Pro quo= me refuzas la Ido pos Dyer.

Yen = mea motivi pro quo me judikas, ke la reformeti pos Dyer (1924) esas nekohe= ranta e neutila. Ta chanji neutile desfaciligis mea lernesko di Ido e me e= speras, ke la lernonti ne esos misinformata quale me.

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La Idisti ante 1947 povis expresar omna tempi= sen bezonar la finalo =AB -abas =BB. Ni ne bezonas ol, quale lo explikas = la Kompleta Gramatiko detaloza (parto Sufixi, noto 1a).

ABISO
Ni ja havas =AB abismo =BB, do =AB abiso = =BB esas simple neutila.

ABSTRAK= TA
Ni ja havas =AB abstraktar =BB, do =ABabstrakt-ita =BB. Ta vorto ven= as de la verbo Latina =AB abstrahere =BB, do ol esas inherante verbo. La p= ropozajo =AB abstrakta =BB venas de la vorto Latina =AB abstractus =BB, qu= a esas simple la participo pasinta di =AB abstrahere =BB. Pro to, la verbo= superesas l=92adjektivo; e =AB abstraktar =BB e =AB abstrakt-ita =BB esas = justa etimologiale.

ALKALDO
N= i ja havas =AB alkado =BB. Ta vorto venas del Araba =AB al-qadi =BB. La = =AB L =BB esas neutila e nekorekta de vid-punto etimologial.

ARTILERIO
Ni ja havas =AB artilrio =BB. Ta = vorto venas de la (Olda) Franca =AB artillerie =BB en qua on ne pronuncas = la unesma =AB E =BB. Ni sequez la altra vorto Franca =AB cavallerie =BB, e= n qua anke on ne ponuncas la unesma =AB E =BB, e qua esas =AB kavalrio =BB= en Ido. Konseque, ni uzez =AB artilrio =BB pro kohero fonetikal ed etimol= ogial.

AUSPICIO
Ni ja havas = =AB auspico =BB. Ta vorto venas de la Latina =AB auspicium =BB. La kustumo= di la pioniri esis rempasigar la finalo Latina =AB ium =BB per la finalo = =AB o =BB en Ido. To esas pro quo =AB chromium =BB divenis =AB kromo =BB, = pro quo =AB delicium =BB divenis =AB delico =BB, pro quo =AB delirium =BB d= ivenis =AB deliro =BB, pro quo =AB endocardium =BB divenis =AB endokardo = =BB, pro quo =AB equilibrium =BB divenis =AB equilibro =BB, pro quo =AB ma= gnesium =BB divenis =AB magnezo =BB, pro quo =AB prothallium =BB divenis = =AB protalo =BB, pro quo =AB rubidium =BB divenis =AB rubido =BB, pro quo = =AB ruthenium =BB divenis =AB ruteno =BB, pro quo =AB taedium =BB divenis = =AB tedo =BB, pro quo =AB tellurium =BB divenis =AB teluro =BB, pro quo = =AB titanium =BB divenis =AB titano =BB, pro quo =AB trapezium =BB divenis= =AB trapezo =BB, pro quo =AB uranium =BB divenis =AB urano =BB, pro quo = =AB vanadium =BB divenis =AB vanado =BB, pro quo =AB yitterbium =BB divenis= =AB yiterbo =BB, pro quo =AB yttrium =BB divenis =AB yitro =BB, e. c.. To= esas metodo da Zamenhof quan la pioniri konservis. Esas partikulara kazi = en qua =AB ium =BB divenas =AB io =BB, ma =AB auspicium =BB, =AB delicium = =BB e =AB dubium =BB ne esas tala kazi. Nur =AB auspico =BB esas do justa.=

AVIONO
Ni ja havas =AB aeropl= ano =BB, qua esas tote internaciona e tote bona.

CERTENA
To ofras nulo utila quan =AB ula =BB ne povas = expresar.

DELICIO
Ni ja havas= =AB delico =BB, qua venas de la Latina =AB delicium =BB. Videz la expliko= en AUSPICIO. Nur =AB delico =BB esas justa.

DICIONARIO
Ni ja havas =AB vort-aro =BB e =AB vorto-libro = =BB, e la pioniri nultempe adoptis ta vorto mem se li uzis ta koncepto tre= ofte. Pro quo ni bezonus ol nun?

DINOSAURO*
Ni ja havas =AB dinosaurio =BB, qua venas de la Latina =AB = Dinosauria =BB e de =AB saurio =BB en Ido. Segun la kustumo di la pioniri,= la finalo Latina =AB ia =BB divenas =AB io =BB en Ido. To esas pro quo =AB= abulia =BB divenis =AB abulio =BB, pro quo =AB aktinia =BB divenis =AB ak= tinio =BB, pro quo =AB ambrosia =BB divenis =AB ambrozio =BB, =AB amnesia = =BB divenis =AB amnezio =BB, pro quo =AB anaemia =BB divenis =AB anemio = =BB, pro quo =AB analgesia =BB divenis =AB analgezio =BB, pro quo =AB apha= sia =BB divenis =AB afazio =BB, pro quo =AB ataxia =BB divenis =AB ataxio = =BB, e. c.. Konseque, =AB dinosaurio =BB esas tote korekta.

= DOLARO
Ta monet-uno ne esas en la metrala si= stemo; videz en la Kompleta Gramatiko detaloza, parto Propra Nomi, artiklo= 18a.

DUBITO
Ni ja havas =AB = dubo =BB. Stando-verbi tala kam =AB delirar =BB, =AB equilibrar =BB, =AB j= ornar =BB, =AB pacar =BB, e. c., venas de stando-nomi: =AB deliro =BB, =AB= equilibro =BB, =AB jorno =BB, =AB paco =BB, e. c.. Por plusa detali, videz= en la Kompleta Gramatiko detaloza, parto Nemediata Derivado, 1a noto. =AB= Dubito =BB esas nekorekta nam ol venas de la verbo =AB dubitare =BB qua d= erivesas de la stando-vorto =AB dubium =BB e ne de la stando-vorto =AB dub= ium =BB ipsa. Sualatere, =AB dubo =BB esas tote justa.

EMO
Ni ja havas =AB skopo =BB.

EMPLASTRO
La antea defini di =AB plastro =BB e d= i =AB gipso =BB esas tote korekta.

GENITORI
Ni ja havas =AB genit-inti =BB, qua havas la sam origino et= imologial e la sama senco logikala. Ultre to, =AB ge-patri =BB tote respek= tas la metodo di la pioniri en qua on uzas la maskula vorto Latina kom ori= gino di la genroneutra vorto en Ido : =AB avo =BB de =AB avus =BB, =AB onkl= o =BB de =AB avunculus =BB, =AB filio =BB de =AB filius =BB, =AB frato =BB= de =AB frater =BB, =AB patro =BB de =AB pater =BB, e.c..

HOLA
Ol nultempe esis sinonimo di =AB saluto = =BB=85

HODIE
Ni ja havas =AB c= a-die =BB, qua signifikas lo sama kam =AB hodie =BB segun la Kompleta Gram= atiko detaloza. =AB Ho- =BB kom sufixo esas anke neutila, nam ol havas la = sama senco kam =AB ca- =BB.

MILIE= TO
Ni ja havas =AB milyeto =BB, qua venas de la Franca =AB millet =BB. = La pioniri transskribis ta Franca =AB ill =BB fonetikale : =AB ily =BB. Ko= nseque, ni havas anke =AB malyoto =BB de =AB maillot =BB. En la sama metodo= , la Franca =AB gn =BB divenis =AB ny =BB en Ido : =AB konyako =BB, =AB on= yono =BB, =AB ponyeto =BB, =AB vinyeto =BB, e.c.. Stranje, nulu remplasigi= s =AB malyoto =BB per =AB malioto =BB=85

PLASTRO
La antea defini di =AB plastro =BB e di =AB gipso =BB = esas tote korekta.

RET-SITUO
U= nesme, Dyer nultempe skribas =AB t-s =BB nam ol esas evitinda pro konflikt= o kun =AB c =BB, do : =AB reto-situo =BB. Duesme, =AB situo =BB esas ago m= a la Angla =AB (web)site =BB esas kozo. Konseque, la korekta traduko esas = =AB reto-loko =BB plu juste kam =AB reto-situo =BB.

SEKRETARIATO
Nu, ni ja havas =AB sekretari-erio =BB e= =AB sekretari-eyo =BB (quale =AB komisari-eyo =BB, qua ne esas =AB komisa= riato =BB)=85

TANDEM
Ni ja ha= vas =AB fine =BB, quale uzata en la Kompleta Gramatiko detaloza e konsilat= a da Dyer.

ARTILERIO: Memblas ke AFGHI inkluz= as, e maxim ofte pronuncas, litero "e". Kad (anciena) Franca pronunco vere = importas plu multe? Por "kavalrio" lingui FGHI (ma ne A) anke havas "e" ma = "kavalerio" esus ambigua pro la sufixo "eri": kaval-erio. (Simile, ni havas= "pordo" por evitar ambigueso kun "porto".)
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AUSPICIO: Me ne savas qua esas justa (la komento pl= u generala da Morin meritas pondero), ma "auspicio" semblas esar plu intern= acione sustenata (GHI kontre AF, ed A havas adjektivo "auspicious").=
 
AVIONO: Yes, ol esas nenec= esa kom sinonimo di aeroplano. (Tamen ni indijas vorto plu generala kam aer= oplano por irga aparato flugiva, inkluzanta aeroplano, aerostato, helikopte= ro edc: A aircraft, F a=E9ronef.)
 
CERTENA: Segun LNV (de Cock), "certena" esas inter "ula" e "c= erta". Roze indikas ke on decidis lente ke la vorto esas utila. Roze dicas = ke "ula, ulo, ulu" signifikas nur G "etwas, jemand" dum ke "certena" esas "= ein gewisses etwas". AFHI anke havas ica koncepto ed vorto simila a "cert(e= n)a". On darfas ne konsentar, ma evidente la vorto ne adoptesis hastoze.
 
DELICIO. Me ne savas q= ua esas justa, tamen F ne havas litero "i" ma HI havas ol, ed AF por "decic= ioza".
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DICIONARIO: D= icionario esas plu kam vorto-listo o vorto-libro (di qua esas multa sorti),= e la vorto sustenesas da AFHI. (Forsan plusa motivo nun esas ke dicionario= povas esar pure elektronikala, sen libro segun la vera senco dil vorto. Ni= havas anke la vorto "lexiko", quan Morin ne mencionas, e semblas a me util= a uzar "dicionario" kom precipue vorto-listo kun defini, e "lexiko" precipu= e tradukala.)
 
DINOSA= URO*: Semblas ke GH sustenas "dinosaurio" ed AFI "dinosauro". Angla diciona= rio dicas ke la origino esas moderna Latina "dinosaurus". Me lektas ke la L= atina vorto (propozita origine en 1842) esas irgakaze eroro, nam ol signifi= kas lacerto terorigiva, ma dinosaurii ne esas irga sorti di lacerti; e ke l= a vorto derivesas de Greka vorti, inkluzanta "sauros" (lacerto). Tamen, me = supozas (o forsan lektis) ke motivo esas ke nomi di sorti di dinosaurio oft= e o generale finas per "aur" en la Angla ed "aure" en la Franca, quale "ich= t(h)yosaure", "mosasaure", "pl=E9siosaure", "pt=E9rosaure". Kas ica vorti e= sas eroroza?
 
DOLARO:= Ke ol ne apartenas al sistemo metrala semblas a me tote ne importar. Ni ja= havas anke "denaro", "drakmo", "dukato", "florino" e "franko" (omni en Dye= r) ed "obolo".
 
<= SPAN style=3D"font-size:15pt;">DUBITAR: Sugun Roze, "La radiko DEFISL impoz= as 'dubit' e ne 'dub'." Me ne savas ka lo esas vera ma me remarkas A "doubt= ", F "douter" ed AF "indubitable" (nedubitebla); anke I "dubitare". Me lasa= s ad altri diskutar ica vorto qua esas oficala en Ido dum 88 yari.
 
EMO: Emo (A target, G Ziel) klare diferas de skopo (A purpose, aim,= objective, G Zweck). Exemple: la skopo dil sporto esas lansar flecho tale = ke ol arivos al centro dil emo, ma esos sat bona se ol frapos mem irga part= o dil emo qua esas ya mikra e ne proxima.
 
EMPLASTRO: Emplas= tro esas sorto di medikamento uzata externe. Gipso esas mineralo. Plastro e= sas materio, fabrikata de gipso ed uzata por konstruktar domi (Pesch donas = nur tote diferanta defino!).  Ante adopto di "emplastro, "plastro" hav= is la senco quan nun havas "emplastro". Dyer ne distingas inter plastro e g= ipso (la Franca havas amba vorti ma un esas ambigua).
 
GENIT= ORI: pluralo di "genitoro". Adoptita en 1929. Mea exemplo: "Omna puero must= as havar permiso de genitoro por partoprenar". Esas afero di opiniono ka "p= atrulo/patrino" esus plu apta kam "patro/matro" (qui esas en Dyer), Ne esas= klara ma semblas ke Morin objecionas a ta vorti en Dyer. (Me supozas ke LN= V havas la pluralo di "genitoro" por faciligar traduko aden AFGHI.)<= /div>
 
HODIE: Ho-die (prefixo "ho") ne havas exakte la sama senco kam "ca= -die". En Ido "ho" havas senco specala: dum qua ni vivas nun. Roze dicas pr= i "hodie": "Vice la tilnuna 'cadie', multe kritikita, kritikata e kritikota= ". Lu donas exemplo: "Lundio e mardio ne esis laboro-dii; tadie (lundio) me= chasis, cadie (mardio) me peskis; ma hodie (merkurdio) me laboras". Mea ex= emplo: El naskis ye la unesma dio di marto; omnayare cadie on celebras; ja = hodie ni mustas invitar familiani.
 
HOLA: Yes, ol ne esas = sinonimo di "saluto" (qua dicas lo?). Roze: "Interjeciono por demandar halt= o, por direktar l'atenco a su". De AFGI.
 
MILIETO: Me havas = nula informo pri la motivo por la chanjo de "milyeto".
 
RET-= SITUO*: Ne-oficala e ne-bona! Me tote konsentas kun Morin ke "reto-loko" es= us multe plu bona.
 
SEKRETARIATO: Vorto kun formo internacio= na (adminime AFGHI) e supozeble adoptita pro motivo simila al motivo pri "d= elegaciono". On sempre darfas uzar formi kompozita, ma ica formi esas quik = komprenebla da multi. Esas afero di opiniono ka li esas dezirinda.
 
TANDEM: Ne simple "fine". LNV (de Cock): "Indikas ke lo eventis pos= lasir (ulu) expektar ta evento dum multa tempo". Adoptita ja en 1929.
 
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Voluntez komunikar mea komenti a Marin. Multa danko. Il ya povu= s esar utila Idisto.
 
Kordiale,
Robe= rt C.
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Yen, mesajo sendita da= recenta ed esperigiva Idisto (Gilles-Philippe Morin) che un de la Faciolib= ri ("Facebook"-i) titulizita IDO :
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Pro quo me refuzas la Ido pos Dyer.
Yen mea motivi pro quo me judikas, ke la reformeti pos Dyer (1924) esas n= ekoheranta e neutila. Ta chanji neutile desfaciligis mea lernesko di Ido e = me esperas, ke la lernonti ne esos misinformata quale me.
-AB-
La Idisti ante 1947 povis expresar omna tempi sen bezonar = la finalo =AB -abas =BB. Ni ne bezonas ol, quale lo explikas la Kompleta Gr= amatiko detaloza (parto Sufixi, noto 1a).
ABISO
Ni ja havas =AB abismo =BB, do =AB abiso =BB esas simple neutila.<= /div>
ABSTRAKTA
Ni ja havas =AB abstraktar =BB, do =ABabstr= akt-ita =BB. Ta vorto venas de la verbo Latina =AB abstrahere =BB, do ol es= as inherante verbo. La propozajo =AB abstrakta =BB venas de la vorto Latina= =AB abstractus =BB, qua esas simple la participo pasinta di =AB abstrahere= =BB. Pro to, la verbo superesas l'adjektivo; e =AB abstraktar =BB e =AB ab= strakt-ita =BB esas justa etimologiale.
ALKALDO
Ni ja havas =AB alkado =BB. Ta vorto venas del Araba =AB al-qadi =BB. La = =AB L =BB esas neutila e nekorekta de vid-punto etimologial.
<= div class=3D"body" style=3D"background-color:white;">ARTILERIO
Ni ja havas =AB artilrio =BB. Ta vorto venas de la= (Olda) Franca =AB artillerie =BB en qua on ne pronuncas la unesma =AB E = =BB. Ni sequez la altra vorto Franca =AB cavallerie =BB, en qua anke on ne = ponuncas la unesma =AB E =BB, e qua esas =AB kavalrio =BB en Ido. Konseque,= ni uzez =AB artilrio =BB pro kohero fonetikal ed etimologial.
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AUSPICIO
Ni ja havas =AB auspico =BB. Ta vorto venas de la= Latina =AB auspicium =BB. La kustumo di la pioniri esis rempasigar la fina= lo Latina =AB ium =BB per la finalo =AB o =BB en Ido. To esas pro quo =AB c= hromium =BB divenis =AB kromo =BB, pro quo =AB delicium =BB divenis =AB del= ico =BB, pro quo =AB delirium =BB divenis =AB deliro =BB, pro quo =AB endoc= ardium =BB divenis =AB endokardo =BB, pro quo =AB equilibrium =BB divenis = =AB equilibro =BB, pro quo =AB magnesium =BB divenis =AB magnezo =BB, pro q= uo =AB prothallium =BB divenis =AB protalo =BB, pro quo =AB rubidium =BB di= venis =AB rubido =BB, pro quo =AB ruthenium =BB divenis =AB ruteno =BB, pro= quo =AB taedium =BB divenis =AB tedo =BB, pro quo =AB tellurium =BB diveni= s =AB teluro =BB, pro quo =AB titanium =BB divenis =AB titano =BB, pro quo = =AB trapezium =BB divenis =AB trapezo =BB, pro quo =AB uranium =BB divenis = =AB urano =BB, pro quo =AB vanadium =BB divenis =AB vanado =BB, pro quo =AB= yitterbium =BB divenis =AB yiterbo =BB, pro quo =AB yttrium =BB divenis = =AB yitro =BB, e. c.. To esas metodo da Zamenhof quan la pioniri konservis.= Esas partikulara kazi en qua =AB ium =BB divenas =AB io =BB, ma =AB auspic= ium =BB, =AB delicium =BB e =AB dubium =BB ne esas tala kazi. Nur =AB auspi= co =BB esas do justa.
AVIONO
Ni ja havas =AB a= eroplano =BB, qua esas tote internaciona e tote bona.
CERTENA
To ofras nulo utila quan =AB ula =BB ne povas expresar.
DELICIO
Ni ja havas =AB delico =BB, qua venas de = la Latina =AB delicium =BB. Videz la expliko en AUSPICIO. Nur =AB delico = =BB esas justa.
DICIONARIO
Ni ja havas =AB vor= t-aro =BB e =AB vorto-libro =BB, e la pioniri nultempe adoptis ta vorto mem= se li uzis ta koncepto tre ofte. Pro quo ni bezonus ol nun?
<= div class=3D"body" style=3D"background-color:white;">DINOSAURO*
Ni ja havas =AB dinosaurio =BB, qua venas de la L= atina =AB Dinosauria =BB e de =AB saurio =BB en Ido. Segun la kustumo di la= pioniri, la finalo Latina =AB ia =BB divenas =AB io =BB en Ido. To esas pr= o quo =AB abulia =BB divenis =AB abulio =BB, pro quo =AB aktinia =BB diveni= s =AB aktinio =BB, pro quo =AB ambrosia =BB divenis =AB ambrozio =BB, =AB a= mnesia =BB divenis =AB amnezio =BB, pro quo =AB anaemia =BB divenis =AB ane= mio =BB, pro quo =AB analgesia =BB divenis =AB analgezio =BB, pro quo =AB a= phasia =BB divenis =AB afazio =BB, pro quo =AB ataxia =BB divenis =AB ataxi= o =BB, e. c.. Konseque, =AB dinosaurio =BB esas tote korekta.
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DOLARO
Ta monet-uno ne esas en la metrala sistemo; videz en= la Kompleta Gramatiko detaloza, parto Propra Nomi, artiklo 18a.
DUBITO
Ni ja havas =AB dubo =BB. Stando-verbi tala kam = =AB delirar =BB, =AB equilibrar =BB, =AB jornar =BB, =AB pacar =BB, e. c., = venas de stando-nomi: =AB deliro =BB, =AB equilibro =BB, =AB jorno =BB, =AB= paco =BB, e. c.. Por plusa detali, videz en la Kompleta Gramatiko detaloza= , parto Nemediata Derivado, 1a noto. =AB Dubito =BB esas nekorekta nam ol v= enas de la verbo =AB dubitare =BB qua derivesas de la stando-vorto =AB dubi= um =BB e ne de la stando-vorto =AB dubium =BB ipsa. Sualatere, =AB dubo =BB= esas tote justa.
EMO
Ni ja havas =AB skopo = =BB.
EMPLASTRO
La antea defini di =AB plastro = =BB e di =AB gipso =BB esas tote korekta.
GENITORI<= br />Ni ja havas =AB genit-inti =BB, qua havas la sam origino etimologial e= la sama senco logikala. Ultre to, =AB ge-patri =BB tote respektas la metod= o di la pioniri en qua on uzas la maskula vorto Latina kom origino di la ge= nroneutra vorto en Ido : =AB avo =BB de =AB avus =BB, =AB onklo =BB de =AB = avunculus =BB, =AB filio =BB de =AB filius =BB, =AB frato =BB de =AB frater= =BB, =AB patro =BB de =AB pater =BB, e.c..
HOLAOl nultempe esis sinonimo di =AB saluto =BB...
HODIE
Ni ja havas =AB ca-die =BB, qua signifikas lo sama kam =AB hodi= e =BB segun la Kompleta Gramatiko detaloza. =AB Ho- =BB kom sufixo esas ank= e neutila, nam ol havas la sama senco kam =AB ca- =BB.
MILIETO
Ni ja havas =AB milyeto =BB, qua venas de la Franca =AB mi= llet =BB. La pioniri transskribis ta Franca =AB ill =BB fonetikale : =AB il= y =BB. Konseque, ni havas anke =AB malyoto =BB de =AB maillot =BB. En la sa= ma metodo, la Franca =AB gn =BB divenis =AB ny =BB en Ido : =AB konyako =BB= , =AB onyono =BB, =AB ponyeto =BB, =AB vinyeto =BB, e.c.. Stranje, nulu rem= plasigis =AB malyoto =BB per =AB malioto =BB...
PLA= STRO
La antea defini di =AB plastro =BB e di =AB gipso =BB esas tote k= orekta.
= RET-SITUO
Unesme, Dyer nultempe skriba= s =AB t-s =BB nam ol esas evitinda pro konflikto kun =AB c =BB, do : =AB re= to-situo =BB. Duesme, =AB situo =BB esas ago ma la Angla =AB (web)site =BB = esas kozo. Konseque, la korekta traduko esas =AB reto-loko =BB plu juste ka= m =AB reto-situo =BB.
SEKRETARIATO
Nu, ni ja h= avas =AB sekretari-erio =BB e =AB sekretari-eyo =BB (quale =AB komisari-eyo= =BB, qua ne esas =AB komisariato =BB)...
TANDEMNi ja havas =AB fine =BB, quale uzata en la Kompleta Gramatiko detaloza = e konsilata da Dyer.
 
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X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Jul 2016 10:08:58.0765 (UTC) FILETIME=[BB5513D0:01D1E26E] Subject: Frazo da Descartes X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=211083072; y=BZYIUn5Y8mvfadp5Sybu_7MqEsUHQSJKxEHnCPkNKVqCEmoMgB5QHeo X-Yahoo-Profile: idovalencia From: Che Partaka --_000_VI1PR0201MB222129A872B90376B3C6CAAAFDD080VI1PR0201MB2221_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable "La dubito esas la komenco dil sajeso." (Descartes) (Partaka) --_000_VI1PR0201MB222129A872B90376B3C6CAAAFDD080VI1PR0201MB2221_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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Vizitante la situo dil UEA me ne trovis la posibleso por komendar vua tradukajo. Ka vu povas komunikar a me la adreso por komendar oli ? Yes, me volas ofrar volunte, ne nur en Valencia, oli a lekteri, ma anke a mea lektema samlandani. Standez bone (e durez skribar pluse agreablaji pri nia idiomo !) Kordiale, Eberhard Von: Gonçalo Neves gneves64@... [IdoCatalaOccitan] Datum: 09.02.2016 20:50 > > > Danko, Eberhard > > La Braziliana editisto (qua esas mea amiko ja de sat multa yari) tre > ofte e tre forte insistis ke me revizez e transdonez a lu la > manuskripto por editeso. > > Amikale, > > Gonçalo > > 2016-02-09 19:04 GMT+00:00 Eberhard Scholz > eberhard.scholz@... > [IdoCatalaOccitan] >: > > Kara Goncalo, > > Me gratulas tu pro tua nova e bela kontributajo. Ol esos necesa > richigo di nia literaturo. > Tua verko garantias itere altnivela Ido. Me joyas pri kreaji futura. > Nia Berlinan Idisti kompros sat multa exempleri. > Danko Goncalo. > > Kordiale, Eberhard > > > Am 09.02.2016 um 01:30 schrieb Gonçalo Neves gneves64@... > [idolisto]: >> Kar amiki, >> >> Kun granda joyo me anuncas ke jus aparis yena verko: >> >> Fernando Pessoa (kom Alberto Caeiro): /La gardero di trupi/. >> Tradukuro, prefaca studiuro ed interpretala noti da Gonçalo >> Neves. Duesma, revizita edituro. Chapecó (Brazilia): Fonto 2016. >> 85 pagini. >> >> Ica verko aparis unesmafoye en 2002, nur kom pdf-libro, che >> editerio Sudo. Ica duesma, revizita edituro esas olua unesma >> papera edituro. Pluse, ol editesis da Fonto, la maxim produktiva >> Esperanto-editerio. Fonto fondesis en 1980 en Chapecó, Brazilia, >> e til nun editis 136 libri en o pri Esperanto. Nun Fonto >> unesmafoye editis Ido-libro. Pluse, esis l’editisto ipsa, Alfredo >> Bays, qua sugestis e plurfoye insistis ke me transdonez ad il la >> manuskripto por editeso. >> >> Ica verko esas 85-pagina, kontenas 44 kolorizita ilustruri, >> 12-pagina prefaca studiuro e 24 interpretala noti. Un yaro ante >> nun, en 2015, la sama editisto publikigis anke mea >> Esperanto-tradukuro dil sama verko, anke ilustrita, tamen sen >> interpretala noti e kun min detaloza prefaco. >> >> “La gardero di trupi” esas longa poemo ek 49 chapitri e 1023 >> versi. Ol do esas la triesma maxim longa poemo en Ido, pos e dop >> “La serchado” da Andreas Juste (3.037 versi) ed “Enoch Arden” da >> Alfred Tennyson, tradukita da Lui Pascau (1.118 versi). >> >> Yen hike la prizento-texto lektebla sur la dopa kovrilo: >> >> «Fernando Pessoa (1888-1935) esas forsan la maxim universala >> poeto skriptinta en la Portugalana linguo. Il naskis en Lisboa, >> edukesis maxim-granda-parte en Sud-Afrika, ube il komencis >> poemifar, precipue Angle, ma retroveninte jun-eve a sua >> nask-urbo, il rezolvis transirar al Portugalana. Il imaginis >> plura autori interne di su ipsa, quin il nomizis heteronimi. >> Parolesas pri diversa autoresi dil sama homo, qua quaze divenas >> plura personi, omnu kun sua propra maniero regardar la mondo, sua >> filozofio, sua metafiziko, sua poetiko, sua partikulara stilo >> expresar la pensi e skiptar, e mem sua propra signaturo. Un de ta >> heteronimi esas Alberto Caeiro, autoro dil nuna libro. Yen >> surprizanta filozofa pastoro, qua delektos la lekteri per sua >> profunda rezonado pri la rolo di poezio, pri religio, pri la >> naturo, pri multa facinanta temi...» >> >> --------------CA2339A7DCBB13363DB706E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Kara Goncalo,

recente me ri-lektis en vua blogo e me rimemoris ankore ne komendar "vua" longa poemo.
Vizitante la situo dil UEA me ne trovis la posibleso por komendar vua tradukajo.
Ka vu povas komunikar a me la adreso por komendar oli ?
Yes, me volas ofrar volunte, ne nur en Valencia, oli a lekteri, ma anke a mea lektema samlandani.

Standez bone (e durez skribar pluse agreablaji pri nia idiomo !)

Kordiale,   Eberhard


Von: Gonçalo Neves gneves64@... [IdoCatalaOccitan]
Datum: 09.02.2016 20:50
Danko, Eberhard

La Braziliana editisto (qua esas mea amiko ja de sat multa yari) tre ofte e tre forte insistis ke me revizez e transdonez a lu la manuskripto por editeso.

Amikale,

Gonçalo

2016-02-09 19:04 GMT+00:00 Eberhard Scholz eberhard.scholz@... [IdoCatalaOccitan] <IdoCatalaOccitan@yahoogroups.com>:
 

Kara Goncalo,

Me gratulas tu pro tua nova e bela kontributajo. Ol esos necesa richigo di nia literaturo.
Tua verko garantias itere altnivela Ido. Me joyas pri kreaji futura.
Nia Berlinan Idisti kompros sat multa exempleri.
Danko Goncalo.

Kordiale, Eberhard


Am 09.02.2016 um 01:30 schrieb Gonçalo Neves gneves64@... [idolisto]:
Kar amiki,

Kun granda joyo me anuncas ke jus aparis yena verko:

Fernando Pessoa (kom Alberto Caeiro): La gardero di trupi. Tradukuro, prefaca studiuro ed interpretala noti da Gonçalo Neves. Duesma, revizita edituro. Chapecó (Brazilia): Fonto 2016. 85 pagini.

Ica verko aparis unesmafoye en 2002, nur kom pdf-libro, che editerio Sudo. Ica duesma, revizita edituro esas olua unesma papera edituro. Pluse, ol editesis da Fonto, la maxim produktiva Esperanto-editerio. Fonto fondesis en 1980 en Chapecó, Brazilia, e til nun editis 136 libri en o pri Esperanto. Nun Fonto unesmafoye editis Ido-libro. Pluse, esis l’editisto ipsa, Alfredo Bays, qua sugestis e plurfoye insistis ke me transdonez ad il la manuskripto por editeso.

Ica verko esas 85-pagina, kontenas 44 kolorizita ilustruri, 12-pagina prefaca studiuro e 24 interpretala noti. Un yaro ante nun, en 2015, la sama editisto publikigis anke mea Esperanto-tradukuro dil sama verko, anke ilustrita, tamen sen interpretala noti e kun min detaloza prefaco.

 “La gardero di trupi” esas longa poemo ek 49 chapitri e 1023 versi. Ol do esas la triesma maxim longa poemo en Ido, pos e dop “La serchado” da Andreas Juste (3.037 versi) ed “Enoch Arden” da Alfred Tennyson, tradukita da Lui Pascau (1.118 versi).

Yen hike la prizento-texto lektebla sur la dopa kovrilo:

«Fernando Pessoa (1888-1935) esas forsan la maxim universala poeto skriptinta en la Portugalana linguo. Il naskis en Lisboa, edukesis maxim-granda-parte en Sud-Afrika, ube il komencis poemifar, precipue Angle, ma retroveninte jun-eve a sua nask-urbo, il rezolvis transirar al Portugalana. Il imaginis plura autori interne di su ipsa, quin il nomizis heteronimi. Parolesas pri diversa autoresi dil sama homo, qua quaze divenas plura personi, omnu kun sua propra maniero regardar la mondo, sua filozofio, sua metafiziko, sua poetiko, sua partikulara stilo expresar la pensi e skiptar, e mem sua propra signaturo. Un de ta heteronimi esas Alberto Caeiro, autoro dil nuna libro. Yen surprizanta filozofa pastoro, qua delektos la lekteri per sua profunda rezonado pri la rolo di poezio, pri religio, pri la naturo, pri multa facinanta temi...»



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[IdoCatalaOccitan] > > Datum: 09.02.2= 016 20:50 > > Danko, Eberhard > > La Braziliana editisto (qua esas mea amik= o ja de sat multa yari) tre ofte > e tre forte insistis ke me revizez e tra= nsdonez a lu la manuskripto por > editeso. > > Amikale, > > Gon=C3=A7alo > = > 2016-02-09 19:04 GMT+00:00 Eberhard Scholz eberhard.scholz@... >= [IdoCatalaOccitan] : > >> >> >> Kara Gon= calo, >> >> Me gratulas tu pro tua nova e bela kontributajo. Ol esos necesa= richigo >> di nia literaturo. >> Tua verko garantias itere altnivela Ido. = Me joyas pri kreaji futura. >> Nia Berlinan Idisti kompros sat multa exempl= eri. >> Danko Goncalo. >> >> Kordiale, Eberhard >> >> >> Am 09.02.2016 um 0= 1:30 schrieb Gon=C3=A7alo Neves gneves64@... >> [idolisto]: >> >> Kar= amiki, >> >> Kun granda joyo me anuncas ke jus aparis yena verko: >> >> Fe= rnando Pessoa (kom Alberto Caeiro): *La gardero di trupi*. Tradukuro, >> pr= efaca studiuro ed interpretala noti da Gon=C3=A7alo Neves. Duesma, revizita= >> edituro. Chapec=C3=B3 (Brazilia): Fonto 2016. 85 pagini. >> >> Ica verk= o aparis unesmafoye en 2002, nur kom pdf-libro, che editerio >> Sudo. Ica d= uesma, revizita edituro esas olua unesma papera edituro. Pluse, >> ol edite= sis da Fonto, la maxim produktiva Esperanto-editerio. Fonto >> fondesis en = 1980 en Chapec=C3=B3, Brazilia, e til nun editis 136 libri en o pri >> Espe= ranto. Nun Fonto unesmafoye editis Ido-libro. Pluse, esis l=E2=80=99editist= o >> ipsa, Alfredo Bays, qua sugestis e plurfoye insistis ke me transdonez = ad il >> la manuskripto por editeso. >> >> Ica verko esas 85-pagina, konten= as 44 kolorizita ilustruri, 12-pagina >> prefaca studiuro e 24 interpretala= noti. Un yaro ante nun, en 2015, la sama >> editisto publikigis anke mea E= speranto-tradukuro dil sama verko, anke >> ilustrita, tamen sen interpretal= a noti e kun min detaloza prefaco. >> >> =E2=80=9CLa gardero di trupi=E2= =80=9D esas longa poemo ek 49 chapitri e 1023 versi. Ol >> do esas la tries= ma maxim longa poemo en Ido, pos e dop =E2=80=9CLa serchado=E2=80=9D da >> = Andreas Juste (3.037 versi) ed =E2=80=9CEnoch Arden=E2=80=9D da Alfred Tenn= yson, tradukita >> da Lui Pascau (1.118 versi). >> >> Yen hike la prizento-= texto lektebla sur la dopa kovrilo: >> >> =C2=ABFernando Pessoa (1888-1935)= esas forsan la maxim universala poeto >> skriptinta en la Portugalana ling= uo. Il naskis en Lisboa, edukesis >> maxim-granda-parte en Sud-Afrika, ube = il komencis poemifar, precipue Angle, >> ma retroveninte jun-eve a sua nask= -urbo, il rezolvis transirar al >> Portugalana. Il imaginis plura autori in= terne di su ipsa, quin il nomizis >> heteronimi. Parolesas pri diversa auto= resi dil sama homo, qua quaze divenas >> plura personi, omnu kun sua propra= maniero regardar la mondo, sua >> filozofio, sua metafiziko, sua poetiko, = sua partikulara stilo expresar la >> pensi e skiptar, e mem sua propra sign= aturo. Un de ta heteronimi esas >> Alberto Caeiro, autoro dil nuna libro. Y= en surprizanta filozofa pastoro, >> qua delektos la lekteri per sua profund= a rezonado pri la rolo di poezio, >> pri religio, pri la naturo, pri multa = facinanta temi...=C2=BB >> >> >> > > --001a113e2948c59a5005382d0fea Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Kar Eberhard,


Amikale,

G= on=C3=A7alo

= 2016-07-21 22:37 GMT+01:00 Eberhard Scholz eberhard.scholz@... [IdoCatalaOccitan] <IdoCatalaOccitan@yahoogroups.com>:
=C2=A0

Kara Goncalo,

recente me ri-lekti= s en vua blogo e me rimemoris ankore ne komendar "vua" long= a poemo.
Vizitante la situo dil UEA me ne trovis la posibleso por= komendar vua tradukajo.
Ka vu povas komunikar a me la adre= so por komendar oli ?
Yes, me volas ofrar volunte, ne nur en Vale= ncia, oli a lekteri, ma anke a mea lektema samlandani.

= Standez bone (e durez skribar pluse agreablaji pri nia idiomo !)
=
Kordiale,=C2=A0=C2=A0 Eberhard


= Von: Gon=C3=A7alo Neves gneves64@... [IdoCatalaOccitan]
Datum: 09.02.2016 20:50
=
=
Danko, Eberhard

L= a Braziliana editisto (qua esas mea amiko ja de sat multa yari) t= re ofte e tre forte insistis ke me revizez e transdonez a lu la m= anuskripto por editeso.

Amikale,

Gon=C3=A7alo=

2016-02-09 19:04 GMT+00:00 Eberhard Scholz eberhard.scho= lz@... [IdoCatalaOccitan] <IdoCatala= Occitan@yahoogroups.com>:
=C2=A0 =
=

Kara = Goncalo,

= Me gratulas tu pro tua nova e bela = kontributajo. Ol esos necesa richigo di n= ia literaturo.
Tua verko garantias itere= altnivela Ido. Me joyas pri kreaji futura. Nia Berlinan Idisti kompros sat multa = exempleri.
Dank= o Goncalo.

= Kordiale, Eberhard

=

Am 09.02.2016= um 01:30 schrieb Gon=C3=A7alo Neves gneves64@... = [idolisto]:
Kar = amiki,

Kun = granda joyo me anuncas ke jus aparis = yena verko:

Fernando Pessoa (kom Alberto Caeiro)= : La gard= ero di trupi. Traduk= uro, prefaca studiuro ed interpretala noti = da Gon=C3=A7alo Neves. Duesma, revizita edi= turo. Chapec=C3=B3 (Brazilia): Fonto 2016. = 85 pagini.

Ica = verko aparis unesmafoye en 2002, nur kom = pdf-libro, che editerio Sudo. Ica = duesma, revizita edituro esas olua = unesma papera edituro. Pluse, ol = editesis da Fonto, la maxim produktiva Esp= eranto-editerio. Fonto fondesis en 1980 en = Chapec=C3=B3, Brazilia, e til nun editis 13= 6 libri en o pri Esperanto. Nun Fonto unesm= afoye editis Ido-libro. Pluse, esis l=E2=80= =99editisto ipsa, Alfredo Bays, qua sugesti= s e plurfoye insistis ke me transdonez ad i= l la manuskripto por editeso.

=

Ica = verko esas 85-pagina, kontenas 44 kol= orizita ilustruri, 12-pagina prefaca studiu= ro e 24 interpretala noti. Un yaro ante nun= , en 2015, la sama editisto publikigis anke= mea Esperanto-tradukuro dil sama verko, an= ke ilustrita, tamen sen interpretala noti e= kun min detaloza prefaco.

=

=C2=A0=E2=80=9CLa gardero di = trupi=E2=80=9D esas longa poemo ek 49 chapitri e = 1023 versi. Ol do esas la triesma maxim = longa poemo en Ido, pos e dop =E2=80=9CLa = serchado=E2=80=9D da Andreas Juste (3.037 versi) = ed =E2=80=9CEnoch Arden=E2=80=9D da Alfred Te= nnyson, tradukita da Lui Pascau (1.118 vers= i).

= Yen = hike la prizento-texto lektebla sur la = dopa kovrilo:

=C2=ABFernando Pessoa (1888= -1935) esas forsan la maxim universala poet= o skriptinta en la Portugalana linguo. Il n= askis en Lisboa, edukesis maxim-granda-part= e en Sud-Afrika, ube il komencis poemifar, = precipue Angle, ma retroveninte jun-eve = a sua nask-urbo, il rezolvis transirar = al Portugalana. Il imaginis plura autori = interne di su ipsa, quin il nomizis = heteronimi. Parolesas pri diversa = autoresi dil sama homo, qua quaze di= venas plura personi, omnu kun sua propra ma= niero regardar la mondo, sua filozofio, sua= metafiziko, sua poetiko, sua partikulara s= tilo expresar la pensi e skiptar, e mem sua= propra signaturo. Un de ta heteronimi esas= Alberto Caeiro, autoro dil nuna libro. Yen= surprizanta filozofa pastoro, qua delektos= la lekteri per sua profunda rezonado pri l= a rolo di poezio, pri religio, pri la = naturo, pri multa facinanta temi...=C2=BB=


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Carnaghan X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=65698504; y=DKONZP5tRL-71oN7wizVQSqSwu0duVDopJUmJTpzCkQ2xMQhpxqIdA X-Yahoo-Profile: jeanmartignon From: ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01D1E415.4B78DD030 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Respondo da Gilles-Philippe Morin a Robert Carnaghan Saluto itere! :) Me s= kribis expliko pri la motivi qui obligas me refuzar la Ido pos Dyer (1924):= https://www.facebook.com/groups/227585083934469/permalink/144827490519880= 8/ Dankege sioro Jean Martignon, me recevis respondizi en la forumo IDO-CA= TAL=C3=80-OCCITAN. Partikulare, me recevis atencinda mesajo da sioro Robert= Carnaghan: https://es.groups.yahoo.com/=E2=80=A6/=E2=80=A6/conversations/= messages/16047 Voluntez lektar ilua mesajo, e pose lektar mea repliko. AB= STRAKTA Robert miskomprenas quale Ido funcionas. Se to esas quale Ido funci= onus, ni havus =C2=AB kaleidoskopo =C2=BB vice =C2=AB kalidoskopo =C2=BB, n= i havus =C2=AB glukoso =C2=BB vice =C2=AB glikoso =C2=BB, ni havus =C2=AB d= inosauro =C2=BB vice =C2=AB dinosaurio =C2=BB, ni havus =C2=AB neurologio = =C2=BB vice =C2=AB nevrologio =C2=BB, e. c.. Esas mentio, ke Ido sequas la = naturaleso di la lingui DEFIRS. Vere, Ido sequas la logiko di la lingui DEF= IRS, ma ne lia naturaleso. En termini linguistikal, Ido esas =C2=AB preskri= ptivista =C2=BB linguo, ne =C2=AB deskriptivista =C2=BB linguo. (Voluntez s= erchar per vu ipsa quon to signifikas, nam me ne esas experto pri linguisti= ko, e me ne volas spensar neutile mea tempo en defini teknikala.) L=E2=80= =99argumento da Robert esas deskriptivista, e do ol ne sequas la (bona e si= stemala) logiko di nia linguo quan la (experta) pioniri selektis. ALKALDO = Itere, la =C2=AB L =C2=BB trovata en la naturala lingui esas kontrelogika e= d importacar ol esus deskriptivista. La Franca, la Angla e la logiko suport= as =C2=AB alkado =C2=BB. Pretendar ke =C2=AB alkado =C2=BB esus eroro esas = tre febla argumento. Preskriptivista linguo tala kam Ido uzez =C2=AB alkado= =C2=BB. ARTILERIO Segun la vortari da Oxford, en la Angla la pronunco esa= s: /=CB=8C=C3=A4r=CB=88til(=C9=99)r=C4=93/ Remarkez, ke la =C2=AB =C9=99 = =C2=BB esas inter parentezi. To esas pro ke on devas pronuncar /=CB=8C=C3= =A4r=CB=88tilr=C4=93/ (quale en la vorto original), ma on darfas pronuncar = /=CB=8C=C3=A4r=CB=88til=C9=99r=C4=93/ pro eufonio. To esas kelke quale =C2= =AB rhythm =C2=BB, pronuncata /=CB=88riTH=C9=99m/, qua esus transskribata = =C2=AB ritemo =C2=BB en Ido ma qua esas (juste) =C2=AB ritmo =C2=BB. La Ang= la ofte deformas la pronuncado di vorti (la vorto =C2=AB bishop =C2=BB esas= bon exemplo etimologial) =E2=80=A6 e ni sequez la pronuncado maxim proxim = la original, kande la sistemo pri eufonio di Ido lo permisas (inter altri, = ta sistemo esas pro quo ni havas nek =C2=AB sankta =C2=BB nek =C2=AB plankt= ono =C2=BB ma =C2=AB santa =C2=BB e =C2=AB plankton =C2=BB). Ultre to: art= erio (ne =C2=AB art-erio =C2=BB), baterio (ne =C2=AB bat-erio =C2=BB), cele= rio (ne =C2=AB cel-erio =C2=BB), galerio (ne =C2=AB gal-erio =C2=BB), mater= io (ne =C2=AB mat-erio =C2=BB), menajerio (ne =C2=AB menaj-erio =C2=BB), pr= esbiterio (ne =C2=AB presbit-erio =C2=BB). Ho ve! Quala ambigua linguo esas= Ido! Ni reformez omno! AUSPICIO La regulo etimologiala pri Latina vorti f= inanta per =C2=AB ium =C2=BB esas ya generala regulo, e to esas bona. La su= gesto da Robert desktruktas la kohero di nia logikala linguo, e pro to ni d= evus rikonstruktar omno. La Angla havas =C2=AB delirious =C2=BB e =C2=AB de= lirium =C2=BB, la German anke uzas =C2=AB Delirium =C2=BB, la Hispan e la I= talian uzas =C2=AB delirio =C2=BB, e. c.. Ho ve! Do ni chanjez =C2=AB delir= o =C2=BB por =C2=AB delirio =C2=BB. Pro la sama rezonado, ni remplasigez = =C2=AB equilibro =C2=BB per =C2=AB equilibrio =C2=BB. Ni reformez omno! AV= IONO To esas pro quo ni havas la vorto =C2=AB aviac-ilo =C2=BB, qua ja exis= tis en 1924. CERTENA Robert, donez ad me exemplo di Angla frazo (nam ni du= parolas la Angla) en qua =C2=AB certena =C2=BB, e ne =C2=AB ula =C2=BB, es= us necesa. On forsan ne konocas la vera defino di =C2=AB ula =C2=BB, do yen= la oficala defino quan on trovas en Dyer: =C2=AB ul-a: some, any: indicat= es a certain, but only partly defined person or object; (semi-indefinite ar= ticle) a, an (used only where it is desired to emphasize indefiniteness); u= l-o: something; ul-u: someone, somebody, anyone; ul-i: some, any (persons o= r things); ul-die: some day; ul-loke, -ube: somewhere; ul-maniere (od, ule)= : in some manner or way; ulu altra: someone else; ula altra: some other; ul= -foye: once, one time; ul-tempe: ever, ssometime(s). V. exp.: Ula ne indikas= kompleta nedetermineso (quan irga expresus plu juste), ma mi-determineso. = Ula povas anke ludar la rolo di la nedfinita artiklo, se (o kande) on trova= s ica necesa. Ex.: Me stacas avan la biblioteko di amiko (me ne dicas: di u= la amiko, nam me pensas (pri) nula amiko partikulare o predere); me dicas a= lu: =C2=ABMe deziras libro=C2=BB. To signifikas: =C2=ABMe deziras lektar, = donez a me (irga) libro=C2=BB. Ma se me dicas: =C2=ABMe deziras ula libro= =C2=BB, to signifikas: =C2=ABMe deziras lektar partikulara libro (konocata = da me, o ja lektita),=C2=BB quan me ne povas indikar plu exacte, pro ke me = obliviis l=E2=80=99autoro, o la titulo: ma me tamen havas l=E2=80=99ideo pl= u o min konfuza di ta libro, e ne di altra: adminime, di libro apartenanta = ad =C2=ABula=C2=BB speco o relatanta =C2=ABula=C2=BB temo, quan me povas de= finar; III-28. Note: Ula, irga: Ula is used in a semi-indefinite sense, irg= a emphasizes complete indefiniteness. Ex.: ula maniero: some manner or way;= irga maniero: any manner or way whatever; ula dio en la lasta monato: one = day ( =3D a certain day, but date not specified; irga dio would signify any= day whatever); ula viro decensis de Ierusalem a Ierico: a certain man (nam= e not specified) went down from J. to J.; irga viro would signify any man w= hatever. =E2=80=94 L =C2=BB Remarkez, ke nultempe on mencionas =C2=AB cert= a =C2=BB, nam =C2=AB certa =C2=BB tre diferas de =C2=AB ula =C2=BB. Forsan = on ne konocas la vera defino di =C2=AB certa =C2=BB. Yen la oficala defino = quan on trovas en Dyer: =C2=AB cert-a: certain, sure, indubitable, positiv= e; -e: certainly, surely, assuredly (cf. sen-dube); -ajo: a certainty; -eso= : certitude, assurance; -igar: to certify: make certain, assure, guarantee;= -igo: certification; -ig-ajo, -uro: certificate, testimonal; -ig-anto: cer= tifier, guarantee. =E2=80=94 EFIS =C2=BB To tre diferas de =C2=AB ula =C2= =BB. Pro to, me ne komprenas quon =C2=AB inter ula e certa =C2=BB signifiku= s ecepte senlogika deklaro quale =C2=AB lu havas sajeso inter Matro Teresa = e Hitler =C2=BB. (Me exkuzas me pro la mala komparo se on ne komprenas!) D= ELICIO Videz la expliko en AUSPICIO. Ho ve! Ni reformez omno! DICIONARIO = =C2=AB Dicionario esas plu kam vorto-listo o vorto-libro =C2=BB. Do pro quo= la vortari da Oxford indikas, ke =C2=AB wordbook =C2=BB (vorto-libro) esas= Angla sinonimo di =C2=AB dictionary =C2=BB? Pro quo Google Translate infor= mas me (forsan nejuste, voluntez korektigar me se necesa) ke =C2=AB diction= ary =C2=BB esas =C2=AB W=C3=B6rterbuch =C2=BB (vorto-libro) en la Germana? = La susteno ne importas nam ni ja havas =C2=AB vort-aro =C2=BB, =C2=AB vorto= -libro =C2=BB e, quale Robert lo remarkiigis, =C2=AB vorto-listo =C2=BB e = =C2=AB lexiko =C2=BB. Danko a Robert pro =C2=AB lexiko =C2=BB, me obliviis = ol. Se =C2=AB lexiko =C2=BB esas bona, ed anke la altra vorti (vorto-libro)= , pro quo ni bezonus =C2=AB dicionario =C2=BB? E maxim importante, pro quo = la lernanti bezonus lernar plusa vorto qua signifikas lo sama kam =C2=AB vo= rto-libro =C2=BB o =C2=AB lexiko =C2=BB? DINOSAURO* Sauria =E2=86=92 sauri= o Dinosauria =E2=86=92 dinosaurio Cienco ya eroras ed evolucionas, ma la l= inguo poke chanjas. Altramaniere, ni ne dicus =C2=AB Kaukaziano =C2=BB en N= ord-Amerika nuntempe nam la teorio pri la origino dil Europani esas nun kon= siderata kom falsa, e ni ne dicus =C2=AB vacino =C2=BB nam on ne plus uzas = nur bovin-viruso en vacinizado. Krear nova vorti nur pro ke la bazo ciencal= a di la vorti ne plus esas justa esus tre pedantal ideo. DOLARO Fine! Bon = argumento da Robert! Pri to, me ne esas certa, ma me havas teorio. La Kompl= eta Gramatiko detaloza klare uzas =C2=AB franki =C2=BB ma anke =C2=AB dolla= r-i =C2=BB e =C2=AB mark-i =C2=BB, do esas necese motivo quan me ignoras nu= n (me esas certa ke li ne erorabus tam facile dum tante multa yari). Forsan= la pioniri judikis (logikoze) ke la vorti qui venas de la Greka o de la La= tina darfas esar adaptata nam li ne esas =C2=AB stranjera vorti =C2=BB: =C2= =AB franko =C2=BB venas de la Latina =C2=AB Franko =C2=BB (Francorum Rex), = =C2=AB denaro =C2=BB venas de la Latina =C2=AB denarium =C2=BB, =C2=AB drak= mo =C2=BB venas de la Latina =C2=AB drachma =C2=BB (e ne de la Greka =C2=AB= drakhm=C4=93 =C2=BB nam lore ol esus =C2=AB drakmio =C2=BB), =C2=AB dukato= =C2=BB venas de la Latina =C2=AB ducatus =C2=BB, =C2=AB florino =C2=BB ven= as de la Italian =C2=AB florino =C2=BB (qua venas de la Latina =C2=AB flor-= =C2=BB qua ipsa konfliktas kun =C2=AB floro =C2=BB), =C2=AB obolo =C2=BB v= enas de la Greka =C2=AB obolos =C2=BB, e. c.. =C2=AB Dollar =C2=BB e =C2=AB= Mark =C2=BB esas Germanala vorti, nek Greka nek Latina, do probable esis k= onsiderata kom =C2=AB vorti stranjera =C2=BB. DUBITAR Ta vorto regretinde = venas de Occidental (sioro Jean Martignon lo savas tre bone e povas lo expl= ikar a vu). Quale =C2=AB abstractus =C2=BB, =C2=AB dubitare =C2=BB esas Lat= ina derivado de fonto-vorto. En la kazo di =C2=AB dubitare =C2=BB, ol venas= de =C2=AB dubium =C2=BB, qua esas stando-vorto quale =C2=AB pacum =C2=BB (= paco), =C2=AB delirium =C2=BB (deliro), =C2=AB equilibrium =C2=BB (equilibr= o), e. c.. =C2=AB Dubium =C2=BB esas suportata da la Angla =C2=AB dubious = =C2=BB (se to vere importas a Robert, ma quale =C2=AB kalidoskopo =C2=BB, = =C2=AB glikoso =C2=BB e =C2=AB nevrologio =C2=BB lo demonstras, to ne impor= tis multe a la pioniri). =C2=AB Dubo =C2=BB esis selektata da Zamenhof, e d= um lia analizo (de 1908 til 1914), la pioniri nultempe remplasigis ol nam o= l esas vorto tote logikala e tote bona (advere, Zamenhof ne sempre eroris).= Pluse: Dyer indikas, ke =C2=AB dub-ar =C2=BB esas EFIS! To esas pro ke li = (la pioniri) anke analizis la origino di la vorti, quale me, vice nur agar = neprofunda DEFIRS-analizo quale Robert. EMO Ho ve! On demandez a Dyer: = =C2=AB skop-o: that at which one aims; aim, scope, objective, intent(ion), = purpose, view, goal, butt, object to attack; -o-plako: target; -o-punto: bu= ll=E2=80=99s eye. Ex.: Vizar skopo per flecho. Frapar la skopo per kuglo. A= tingar sua skopo di vivo. Mariajar su esis la skopo di elua esforci. Pafar = a la skopo-plako. =E2=80=94 EI =C2=BB On tre juste skribez: =C2=AB La sko= po di la sporto esas lansar flecho por ke ol atingez la skopo-punto, ma esu= s sat bona se la flecho frapus mem irga parto di la skopo-plako, qua esas y= a mikra e fora. =C2=BB (La vorti =C2=AB skopo-punto =C2=BB e =C2=AB skopo-= plako =C2=BB venas de Dyer ipsa.) EMPLASTRO Robert esas nejusta. Dyer, me = pregas, helpez ni! Unesme, =C2=AB plastro =C2=BB esas ulsorta medikamento = uzata externe: =C2=AB plastr-o: (med.) (sticking-) plaster (for the body; = cf. kataplasmo); -eto: a small plaster; beauty-spot, -patch (for toilette).= =E2=80=94 DEFIS =C2=BB Duesme, =C2=AB gipso =C2=BB esas materio, fabrikat= a de gipso (logiko!) ed uzata por konstruktar domi: =C2=AB gips-o: gypsum,= plaster-of-paris; ordinary plaster (as used for house interiors); (cf. mor= tero); -izar: to plaster; (cf. krepis-ar); -oza: gypseous, chalky; -o-min-e= yo: plaster-mine, chalk-pit; -ajo: plaster cast (cf. stuko); -eskombri, -o-= rezidui: pieces of old plaster work. =E2=80=94 DEFIRS =C2=BB Semblas, ke u= li esas konfuza=E2=80=A6 GENITORI Yen me korektigas la exemplo da Robert: = =C2=AB Omna puero mustas havar permiso da patro por partoprenar. =C2=BB H= ike, Robert mentias: en Dyer, =C2=AB patro =C2=BB havas la sama senco kam l= a nuna =C2=AB genitoro* =C2=BB, e =C2=AB matro =C2=BB esas sinonimo di =C2= =AB patr-ino =C2=BB. Dyer ne eroris e me ne volas chanjar lua defino di =C2= =AB patro =C2=BB! Yen la defino de Dyer: =C2=AB patr-o: a parent (father o= r mother); -ulo: father; -ino: mother (cf. matro); -eto: little father, pap= a; ge- -i: parents (both sexes); -ala, -ul-atra: paternal, fatherly; -in-al= a; -in-atra: motherly, maternal; -ul-eso: paternity; -ocido: parricide. =E2= =80=94 EFIS =C2=BB HODIE En Ido, =C2=AB ca-die =C2=BB signifikas =C2=AB en= la dio en qua ni vivas nun =C2=BB. Ol do esas sinonimo di =C2=AB ho*-die = =C2=BB! Yen me korektigas la exemplo da Robert: =C2=AB Lundio e mardio ne = esis laboro-dii; lundie (prehiere) me chasis, mardie (hiere) me peskis; ma = cadie (merkurdie) me laboras. =C2=BB Advere, la exemplo da Robert esas kon= fuza (e konfuzigiva), nam ol kontenas tri dii kande =C2=AB ta =C2=BB e =C2= =AB ca =C2=BB povas esar uzata nur kande esas du dii (o, generale, du eleme= nti). Yen altra exemplo: =C2=AB Saturdio e ca dio (mardio) ne esis ed esas= laboro-dii; tadie (saturdie) me chasis, cadie (mardie) me peskas; ma morge= (merkurdie) me laboros. =C2=BB Yen paralel exemplo: =C2=AB Esas tri pomi= sur la tablo: verdo, rojo e bruno. La verdo ne esas matura, la rojo esas m= atura, e la bruno esas putrinta. =C2=BB Kad ni reale bezonas nova vorto/af= ixo/pronomo por ke on skribez =C2=AB ta =C2=BB, =C2=AB ca =C2=BB e =C2=AB [= insertez nova neutila vorto hike] =C2=BB? No! Voluntez lektar en la Komple= ta Gramatiko detaloza, sub Demonstrativ Adjektivi-Pronomi, por plusa detali= pri =C2=AB ta =C2=BB e =C2=AB ca =C2=BB. HOLA Hem: https://io.wiktionary.= org/w/index.php=E2=80=A6 MILIETO Me nek! RET-SITUO* Danko, Robert. Ni ces= ez uzar ta vorto senlogika! TANDEM Robert skribis la defino dil Angla =C2= =AB at last =C2=BB (fine) e di la Franca =C2=AB enfin =C2=BB (fine). Quo es= as la justa traduko por to? Ni demandez a Dyer: =C2=AB last: (intr.) durar= ; (adj., n.) last-a, -o (in time and space); (end) fin-ala, -o; (shoemaker= =E2=80=99s) bot-, shu-form-iz-ilo; at l.: fine, konkluze, laste, sume; -ing= : dur-anta, -iva, -ema; perman-anta. =C2=BB (Lektez pos =C2=AB at l. =C2= =BB.) Quale =C2=AB rid-etar =C2=BB e =C2=AB bon-jorno =C2=BB, ta (bona) lo= giko esas nur etimologiala. Ni ne esez pedanti kun tala familiara vorti! E= to esas omno. Uf! Me dankas sioro Robert Carnaghan, qua tre serioze resp= ondizis mea kritiko. Me exkuzas me se me posible insultis il, nam to ne esi= s mea skopo: me nur deziras kritikar lua argumenti, informar Idisti pri lo = vera e samtempe igar mea texti interesiva nam, altramaniere, nia diskutado = amuzus nulu e tedus rapide. ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01D1E415.4B78DD030 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =
Resp= ondo da Gilles-Philippe Morin a Robert Carnaghan
 

Saluto itere! :)
Me skribis expliko pri la = motivi qui obligas me refuzar la Ido pos Dyer (1924):

ht= tps://www.facebook.com/groups/227585083934469/permalink/1448274905198808/

Dankege sioro Jean Martignon, = me recevis respondizi en la forumo IDO-CATAL=C3=80-OCCITAN. Partikulare, m= e recevis atencinda mesajo da sioro Robert Carnaghan:

https://es.groups.yahoo.com/=E2=80=A6/=E2=80=A6/conversations/mess= ages/16047

Voluntez lektar il= ua mesajo, e pose lektar mea repliko.

ABSTRAKTA
Robert miskomprenas quale Ido funcionas. Se to esas qua= le Ido funcionus, ni havus =C2=AB kaleidoskopo =C2=BB vice =C2=AB kalidosko= po =C2=BB, ni havus =C2=AB glukoso =C2=BB vice =C2=AB glikoso =C2=BB, ni h= avus =C2=AB dinosauro =C2=BB vice =C2=AB dinosaurio =C2=BB, ni havus =C2= =AB neurologio =C2=BB vice =C2=AB nevrologio =C2=BB, e. c.. Esas mentio, ke= Ido sequas la naturaleso di la lingui DEFIRS. Vere, Ido sequas la logiko = di la lingui DEFIRS, ma ne lia naturaleso. En termini linguistikal, Ido es= as =C2=AB preskriptivista =C2=BB linguo, ne =C2=AB deskriptivista =C2=BB l= inguo. (Voluntez serchar per vu ipsa quon to signifikas, nam me ne esas ex= perto pri linguistiko, e me ne volas spensar neutile mea tempo en defini t= eknikala.) L=E2=80=99argumento da Robert esas deskriptivista, e do ol ne s= equas la (bona e sistemala) logiko di nia linguo quan la (experta) pioniri= selektis.

ALKALDO
Itere, la = =C2=AB L =C2=BB trovata en la naturala lingui esas kontrelogika ed importa= car ol esus deskriptivista. La Franca, la Angla e la logiko suportas =C2= =AB alkado =C2=BB. Pretendar ke =C2=AB alkado =C2=BB esus eroro esas tre f= ebla argumento. Preskriptivista linguo tala kam Ido uzez =C2=AB alkado =C2= =BB.

ARTILERIO
Segun la vortar= i da Oxford, en la Angla la pronunco esas:

/=CB=8C=C3=A4r=CB=88til(=C9=99)r=C4=93/

Remarkez, ke la =C2=AB =C9=99 =C2=BB esas inter parentezi= . To esas pro ke on devas pronuncar /=CB=8C=C3=A4r=CB=88tilr=C4=93/ (quale= en la vorto original), ma on darfas pronuncar /=CB=8C=C3=A4r=CB=88til=C9= =99r=C4=93/ pro eufonio. To esas kelke quale =C2=AB rhythm =C2=BB, pronunca= ta /=CB=88riTH=C9=99m/, qua esus transskribata =C2=AB ritemo =C2=BB en Ido= ma qua esas (juste) =C2=AB ritmo =C2=BB. La Angla ofte deformas la pronun= cado di vorti (la vorto =C2=AB bishop =C2=BB esas bon exemplo etimologial)= =E2=80=A6 e ni sequez la pronuncado maxim proxim la original, kande la si= stemo pri eufonio di Ido lo permisas (inter altri, ta sistemo esas pro quo = ni havas nek =C2=AB sankta =C2=BB nek =C2=AB planktono =C2=BB ma =C2=AB sa= nta =C2=BB e =C2=AB plankton =C2=BB).

Ultre to: arterio (ne =C2=AB art-erio =C2=BB), baterio (ne =C2=AB ba= t-erio =C2=BB), celerio (ne =C2=AB cel-erio =C2=BB), galerio (ne =C2=AB gal= -erio =C2=BB), materio (ne =C2=AB mat-erio =C2=BB), menajerio (ne =C2=AB m= enaj-erio =C2=BB), presbiterio (ne =C2=AB presbit-erio =C2=BB). Ho ve! Qua= la ambigua linguo esas Ido! Ni reformez omno!

AUSPICIO
La regulo etimologiala pri Latina vorti finanta p= er =C2=AB ium =C2=BB esas ya generala regulo, e to esas bona. La sugesto da= Robert desktruktas la kohero di nia logikala linguo, e pro to ni devus r= ikonstruktar omno. La Angla havas =C2=AB delirious =C2=BB e =C2=AB delirium= =C2=BB, la German anke uzas =C2=AB Delirium =C2=BB, la Hispan e la Italia= n uzas =C2=AB delirio =C2=BB, e. c.. Ho ve! Do ni chanjez =C2=AB deliro = =C2=BB por =C2=AB delirio =C2=BB. Pro la sama rezonado, ni remplasigez =C2= =AB equilibro =C2=BB per =C2=AB equilibrio =C2=BB. Ni reformez omno!

AVIONO
To esas pro quo ni havas la = vorto =C2=AB aviac-ilo =C2=BB, qua ja existis en 1924.

CERTENA
Robert, donez ad me exemplo di Angla fraz= o (nam ni du parolas la Angla) en qua =C2=AB certena =C2=BB, e ne =C2=AB u= la =C2=BB, esus necesa. On forsan ne konocas la vera defino di =C2=AB ula = =C2=BB, do yen la oficala defino quan on trovas en Dyer:

=C2=AB ul-a: some, any: indicates a certain, but o= nly partly defined person or object; (semi-indefinite article) a, an (used= only where it is desired to emphasize indefiniteness); ul-o: something; u= l-u: someone, somebody, anyone; ul-i: some, any (persons or things); ul-di= e: some day; ul-loke, -ube: somewhere; ul-maniere (od, ule): in some manne= r or way; ulu altra: someone else; ula altra: some other; ul-foye: once, o= ne time; ul-tempe: ever, sometime(s). V. exp.: Ula ne indikas kompleta ned= etermineso (quan irga expresus plu juste), ma mi-determineso. Ula povas an= ke ludar la rolo di la nedfinita artiklo, se (o kande) on trovas ica neces= a. Ex.: Me stacas avan la biblioteko di amiko (me ne dicas: di ula amiko, = nam me pensas (pri) nula amiko partikulare o predere); me dicas a lu: =C2= =ABMe deziras libro=C2=BB. To signifikas: =C2=ABMe deziras lektar, donez a= me (irga) libro=C2=BB. Ma se me dicas: =C2=ABMe deziras ula libro=C2=BB, = to signifikas: =C2=ABMe deziras lektar partikulara libro (konocata da me, o= ja lektita),=C2=BB quan me ne povas indikar plu exacte, pro ke me oblivii= s l=E2=80=99autoro, o la titulo: ma me tamen havas l=E2=80=99ideo plu o mi= n konfuza di ta libro, e ne di altra: adminime, di libro apartenanta ad = =C2=ABula=C2=BB speco o relatanta =C2=ABula=C2=BB temo, quan me povas defi= nar; III-28. Note: Ula, irga: Ula is used in a semi-indefinite sense, irga= emphasizes complete indefiniteness. Ex.: ula maniero: some manner or way;= irga maniero: any manner or way whatever; ula dio en la lasta monato: one = day ( =3D a certain day, but date not specified; irga dio would signify an= y day whatever); ula viro decensis de Ierusalem a Ierico: a certain man (n= ame not specified) went down from J. to J.; irga viro would signify any ma= n whatever. =E2=80=94 L =C2=BB

R= emarkez, ke nultempe on mencionas =C2=AB certa =C2=BB, nam =C2=AB certa = =C2=BB tre diferas de =C2=AB ula =C2=BB. Forsan on ne konocas la vera defin= o di =C2=AB certa =C2=BB. Yen la oficala defino quan on trovas en Dyer:

=C2=AB cert-a: certain, sure, indub= itable, positive; -e: certainly, surely, assuredly (cf. sen-dube); -ajo: a= certainty; -eso: certitude, assurance; -igar: to certify: make certain, a= ssure, guarantee; -igo: certification; -ig-ajo, -uro: certificate, testimo= nal; -ig-anto: certifier, guarantee. =E2=80=94 EFIS =C2=BB

<= FONT size=3D5 face=3DArial>To tre diferas de =C2=AB ula =C2=BB. Pro to, me = ne komprenas quon =C2=AB inter ula e certa =C2=BB signifikus ecepte senlog= ika deklaro quale =C2=AB lu havas sajeso inter Matro Teresa e Hitler =C2= =BB. (Me exkuzas me pro la mala komparo se on ne komprenas!)

DELICIO
Videz la expliko en AUSPICIO. Ho ve= ! Ni reformez omno!

DICIONARIO=C2=AB Dicionario esas plu kam vorto-listo o vorto-libro =C2=BB. Do pro = quo la vortari da Oxford indikas, ke =C2=AB wordbook =C2=BB (vorto-libro) = esas Angla sinonimo di =C2=AB dictionary =C2=BB? Pro quo Google Translate = informas me (forsan nejuste, voluntez korektigar me se necesa) ke =C2=AB di= ctionary =C2=BB esas =C2=AB W=C3=B6rterbuch =C2=BB (vorto-libro) en la Ger= mana? La susteno ne importas nam ni ja havas =C2=AB vort-aro =C2=BB, =C2= =AB vorto-libro =C2=BB e, quale Robert lo remarkigis, =C2=AB vorto-listo = =C2=BB e =C2=AB lexiko =C2=BB. Danko a Robert pro =C2=AB lexiko =C2=BB, me = obliviis ol. Se =C2=AB lexiko =C2=BB esas bona, ed anke la altra vorti (vo= rto-libro), pro quo ni bezonus =C2=AB dicionario =C2=BB? E maxim important= e, pro quo la lernanti bezonus lernar plusa vorto qua signifikas lo sama k= am =C2=AB vorto-libro =C2=BB o =C2=AB lexiko =C2=BB?

DINOSAURO*
Sauria =E2=86=92 saurio
Dinosauria =E2= =86=92 dinosaurio

Cienco ya eror= as ed evolucionas, ma la linguo poke chanjas. Altramaniere, ni ne dicus = =C2=AB Kaukaziano =C2=BB en Nord-Amerika nuntempe nam la teorio pri la ori= gino dil Europani esas nun konsiderata kom falsa, e ni ne dicus =C2=AB vac= ino =C2=BB nam on ne plus uzas nur bovin-viruso en vacinizado. Krear nova = vorti nur pro ke la bazo ciencala di la vorti ne plus esas justa esus tre = pedantal ideo.

DOLARO
Fine! Bo= n argumento da Robert! Pri to, me ne esas certa, ma me havas teorio. La Ko= mpleta Gramatiko detaloza klare uzas =C2=AB franki =C2=BB ma anke =C2=AB d= ollar-i =C2=BB e =C2=AB mark-i =C2=BB, do esas necese motivo quan me ignor= as nun (me esas certa ke li ne erorabus tam facile dum tante multa yari). = Forsan la pioniri judikis (logikoze) ke la vorti qui venas de la Greka o de= la Latina darfas esar adaptata nam li ne esas =C2=AB stranjera vorti =C2= =BB: =C2=AB franko =C2=BB venas de la Latina =C2=AB Franko =C2=BB (Francor= um Rex), =C2=AB denaro =C2=BB venas de la Latina =C2=AB denarium =C2=BB, = =C2=AB drakmo =C2=BB venas de la Latina =C2=AB drachma =C2=BB (e ne de la G= reka =C2=AB drakhm=C4=93 =C2=BB nam lore ol esus =C2=AB drakmio =C2=BB), = =C2=AB dukato =C2=BB venas de la Latina =C2=AB ducatus =C2=BB, =C2=AB flor= ino =C2=BB venas de la Italian =C2=AB florino =C2=BB (qua venas de la Latin= a =C2=AB flor- =C2=BB qua ipsa konfliktas kun =C2=AB floro =C2=BB), =C2=AB= obolo =C2=BB venas de la Greka =C2=AB obolos =C2=BB, e. c.. =C2=AB Dollar= =C2=BB e =C2=AB Mark =C2=BB esas Germanala vorti, nek Greka nek Latina, do= probable esis konsiderata kom =C2=AB vorti stranjera =C2=BB.

<= P>DUBITAR
Ta vorto regretinde venas de Occid= ental (sioro Jean Martignon lo savas tre bone e povas lo explikar a vu). Q= uale =C2=AB abstractus =C2=BB, =C2=AB dubitare =C2=BB esas Latina derivado= de fonto-vorto. En la kazo di =C2=AB dubitare =C2=BB, ol venas de =C2=AB = dubium =C2=BB, qua esas stando-vorto quale =C2=AB pacum =C2=BB (paco), =C2= =AB delirium =C2=BB (deliro), =C2=AB equilibrium =C2=BB (equilibro), e. c..= =C2=AB Dubium =C2=BB esas suportata da la Angla =C2=AB dubious =C2=BB (se= to vere importas a Robert, ma quale =C2=AB kalidoskopo =C2=BB, =C2=AB gli= koso =C2=BB e =C2=AB nevrologio =C2=BB lo demonstras, to ne importis multe = a la pioniri). =C2=AB Dubo =C2=BB esis selektata da Zamenhof, e dum lia an= alizo (de 1908 til 1914), la pioniri nultempe remplasigis ol nam ol esas v= orto tote logikala e tote bona (advere, Zamenhof ne sempre eroris). Pluse:= Dyer indikas, ke =C2=AB dub-ar =C2=BB esas EFIS! To esas pro ke li (la pi= oniri) anke analizis la origino di la vorti, quale me, vice nur agar nepro= funda DEFIRS-analizo quale Robert.

EMO
Ho ve! On demandez a Dyer:

=C2=AB skop-o: that at which one aims; aim, scope, objective, intent(i= on), purpose, view, goal, butt, object to attack; -o-plako: target; -o-pun= to: bull=E2=80=99s eye. Ex.: Vizar skopo per flecho. Frapar la skopo per k= uglo. Atingar sua skopo di vivo. Mariajar su esis la skopo di elua esforci.= Pafar a la skopo-plako. =E2=80=94 EI =C2=BB

On tre juste skribez:

=C2=AB La skopo di la sporto esas lansar flecho por ke ol atingez la sko= po-punto, ma esus sat bona se la flecho frapus mem irga parto di la skopo-= plako, qua esas ya mikra e fora. =C2=BB

(La vorti =C2=AB skopo-punto =C2=BB e =C2=AB skopo-plako =C2=BB ve= nas de Dyer ipsa.)

EMPLASTRO
= Robert esas nejusta. Dyer, me pregas, helpez ni!

Unesme, =C2=AB plastro =C2=BB esas ulsorta medikamento uz= ata externe:

=C2=AB plastr-o: (m= ed.) (sticking-) plaster (for the body; cf. kataplasmo); -eto: a small pla= ster; beauty-spot, -patch (for toilette). =E2=80=94 DEFIS =C2=BB

Duesme, =C2=AB gipso =C2=BB esas materio, = fabrikata de gipso (logiko!) ed uzata por konstruktar domi:

= =C2=AB gips-o: gypsum, plaster-of-paris; ordina= ry plaster (as used for house interiors); (cf. mortero); -izar: to plaster= ; (cf. krepis-ar); -oza: gypseous, chalky; -o-min-eyo: plaster-mine, chalk= -pit; -ajo: plaster cast (cf. stuko); -eskombri, -o-rezidui: pieces of old= plaster work. =E2=80=94 DEFIRS =C2=BB

Semblas, ke uli esas konfuza=E2=80=A6

GENITORI
Yen me korektigas la exemplo da Robert:

=C2=AB Omna puero mustas havar permiso da= patro por partoprenar. =C2=BB

H= ike, Robert mentias: en Dyer, =C2=AB patro =C2=BB havas la sama senco kam = la nuna =C2=AB genitoro* =C2=BB, e =C2=AB matro =C2=BB esas sinonimo di =C2= =AB patr-ino =C2=BB. Dyer ne eroris e me ne volas chanjar lua defino di = =C2=AB patro =C2=BB! Yen la defino de Dyer:

=C2=AB patr-o: a parent (father or mother); -ulo: father; -ino= : mother (cf. matro); -eto: little father, papa; ge- -i: parents (both sex= es); -ala, -ul-atra: paternal, fatherly; -in-ala; -in-atra: motherly, mate= rnal; -ul-eso: paternity; -ocido: parricide. =E2=80=94 EFIS =C2=BB

HODIE
En Ido, =C2=AB ca-die =C2=BB sig= nifikas =C2=AB en la dio en qua ni vivas nun =C2=BB. Ol do esas sinonimo d= i =C2=AB ho*-die =C2=BB! Yen me korektigas la exemplo da Robert:

=C2=AB Lundio e mardio ne esis laboro-dii;= lundie (prehiere) me chasis, mardie (hiere) me peskis; ma cadie (merkurdi= e) me laboras. =C2=BB

Advere, la= exemplo da Robert esas konfuza (e konfuzigiva), nam ol kontenas tri dii k= ande =C2=AB ta =C2=BB e =C2=AB ca =C2=BB povas esar uzata nur kande esas d= u dii (o, generale, du elementi). Yen altra exemplo:

=C2=AB Saturdio e ca dio (mardio) ne esis ed esas labo= ro-dii; tadie (saturdie) me chasis, cadie (mardie) me peskas; ma morge (me= rkurdie) me laboros. =C2=BB

Yen p= aralel exemplo:

=C2=AB Esas tri p= omi sur la tablo: verdo, rojo e bruno. La verdo ne esas matura, la rojo es= as matura, e la bruno esas putrinta. =C2=BB

Kad ni reale bezonas nova vorto/afixo/pronomo por ke on skribe= z =C2=AB ta =C2=BB, =C2=AB ca =C2=BB e =C2=AB [insertez nova neutila vorto = hike] =C2=BB? No!

Voluntez lekta= r en la Kompleta Gramatiko detaloza, sub Demonstrativ Adjektivi-Pronomi, p= or plusa detali pri =C2=AB ta =C2=BB e =C2=AB ca =C2=BB.

HOLA
Hem: https://io.wiktionary.org/w/index.php=E2=80=A6=

MILIETO
Me nek!

RET-SITUO*
Danko, Robert. Ni cesez uzar ta vor= to senlogika!

TANDEM
Robert s= kribis la defino dil Angla =C2=AB at last =C2=BB (fine) e di la Franca =C2= =AB enfin =C2=BB (fine). Quo esas la justa traduko por to? Ni demandez a D= yer:

=C2=AB last: (intr.) durar; = (adj., n.) last-a, -o (in time and space); (end) fin-ala, -o; (shoemaker= =E2=80=99s) bot-, shu-form-iz-ilo; at l.: fine, konkluze, laste, sume; -in= g: dur-anta, -iva, -ema; perman-anta. =C2=BB

(Lektez pos =C2=AB at l. =C2=BB.)

Quale =C2=AB rid-etar =C2=BB e =C2=AB bon-jorno =C2=BB, ta (bo= na) logiko esas nur etimologiala. Ni ne esez pedanti kun tala familiara vo= rti!

E to esas omno. Uf! <= /P>

Me dankas sioro Robert Carnaghan, qua tr= e serioze respondizis mea kritiko. Me exkuzas me se me posible insultis il= , nam to ne esis mea skopo: me nur deziras kritikar lua argumenti, informa= r Idisti pri lo vera e samtempe igar mea texti interesiva nam, altramanier= e, nia diskutado amuzus nulu e tedus rapide.

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X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Jul 2016 11:03:41.0392 (UTC) FILETIME=[B4C1B500:01D1E408] Subject: Frazo da Descartes X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=211083072; y=sgd0l-kvzoq8ajdFvxei52HGj-rKab9nydYDOrnHlUuTWSfYFiea3uw X-Yahoo-Profile: idovalencia From: Che Partaka --_000_VI1PR0201MB22213B5FD653BA35DA0B700B2DD0A0VI1PR0201MB2221_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable "La bonajo, quan ni facabas, donas a ni satisfaco interna, qua es la maxim = dolca de omna pasioni." (Descartes) (Partaka) --_000_VI1PR0201MB22213B5FD653BA35DA0B700B2DD0A0VI1PR0201MB2221_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

"La b= onajo, quan ni facabas, donas a ni satisfaco interna, qua es la maxim dolca= de omna pasioni." (Descartes) 


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X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Jul 2016 17:17:51.0389 (UTC) FILETIME=[F9FF64D0:01D1E43C] Subject: Els nostres wiki-diccionaris X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=211083072; y=OWHDcRLmNArTnWXAUjhooBvqL4IYqUGQ0voEsG5ib1Calsu8ec8-Itg X-Yahoo-Profile: idovalencia From: Che Partaka --_000_VI1PR0201MB2221496FA13EEB162B5BD1119DD0A0VI1PR0201MB2221_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hola, penya! Ac=ED vos deixe noves estad=EDstiques sobre els nostres wiki-= diccionaris, pel que fa al nombre actual de p=E0gines publicades per cadasc= =FA, i a la posici=F3 general que ocupa, ara mateix, cada wiki-diccionari. = - Wikivortaro (en Ido). P=E0gines: 264.392. Posici=F3: 21 - Viccionari (en= Catal=E0). P=E0gines: 210.644. Posici=F3: 25 - Wikiccionari (en Occitan). = P=E0gines: 27.976. Posici=F3: 56 I ac=ED vos deixe l'enlla=E7 al nostre wi= ki-diccionari en Ido: http://io.wiktionary.org/wiki/Frontispico Salut i = for=E7a, estimats! + IDO: linguo komuna e neutra por omni. * * * * * * *= * p a r t a k a * * * * * * * * --_000_VI1PR0201MB2221496FA13EEB162B5BD1119DD0A0VI1PR0201MB2221_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hola, penya! 

Ac=ED vos deixe noves estad= =EDstiques sobre els nostres wiki-diccionaris, 
pel que fa al nombre actual de p=E0gines publicades per cadasc=FA= ,
i a la posici=F3 general que ocupa, ara mateix, cada wiki-dic= cionari. 
 
- Wikivortaro (en Ido). P=E0gines: 264.392. P= osici=F3: 21 
- Viccionari (en Catal=E0). P=E0gines: 210.644. Posi= ci=F3: 25
- Wikiccionari (en Occitan). P=E0gines: 27.976. Posici= =F3: 56 
 
I ac=ED vos deixe l'enlla=E7 al nostre wiki-di= ccionari en Ido: 
http://io.wikti= onary.org/wiki/Frontispico

 

Salut i for=E7a, es= timats!
 
+ IDO: linguo komuna e neutra por omni.   
 
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En Chi= cago, Usa, la skriptisto Raymond Chandler naskis. De 1900 il esis edukata e= n Anglia e pose esis jurnalisto; il retrovenis ad Usa en 1912, e plu tarde = divenis administranto di oleo-kompanio. Pos perdo di ca ofico en 1932, il k= omencis skriptar. Ilua skripturi aparis en revui de 1933, ed ilua unesma ro= mano, La Granda Dormo, pri la detektivo Philip Marlowe, aparis en 1939. Plu= ra plusa romani pri Philip Marlowe sequis. 1892. Tafari Makonnen Woldemikae= l, plu tarde Haile Selassie, imperiestro di Etiopia, naskis. Il esis hereda= nto di dinastio qua esis decendanti di rejulo Solomon e la rejino di Sheba.= En 1916, pos la destronizo di Iyasu 5ma, Zawditu, onklino di Iyasu, diveni= s imperiestrino di Etiopia, e Tafari divenis regento, kom Ras Tafari (Princ= o Tafari). Il divenis imperiestro en 1930 ye la morto di Zawditu. Il esis d= estronizata da la armeo di Etiopia en 1974, ed esis enkarcerigata en la Gra= nda Palaco; il mortis en 1975. 1995. Kometo Hale-Bopp esis deskovrata da Al= an Hale e Thomas Bopp en Usa. Pos mayo 1996 ol esis videbla per okuli sen t= eleskopo; en februaro 1997 olua du kaudi esis klare videbla. Ye 22 di marto= 1997 la kometo atingis maxim proximeso a Tero. Ye maxim proximeso ol esis = plu brilanta kam irga stelo. Olua orbito esante preske perpendikla a la ekl= iptiko, ol esis videbla en la sudala misfero di Tero pos maxim proximeso; l= a lasta observado per okulo sen teleskopo esis en decembro 1997. Astronomi = expektas ke olua sequanta vizito a ca regiono di la sunala sistemo esos ye = cirkume la yaro 4385. Kordiale DGW ------=_Part_6197071_2080615876.14692752208582 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
(Da DGW, che l' forumo Ido-listo) 

Ye ca dio, 23 julio...

1888. En Chicago, Usa, la skriptisto Raymond Chandler naskis. De 1900 il = esis edukata en Anglia e pose esis jurnalisto; il retrovenis ad Usa en 1912= , e plu tarde divenis administranto di oleo-kompanio. Pos perdo di ca ofico= en 1932, il komencis skriptar. Ilua skripturi aparis en revui de 1933, ed = ilua unesma romano, La Granda Dormo, pri la detektivo Philip Marlowe, apari= s en 1939. Plura plusa romani pri Philip Marlowe sequis.

1892. Tafari Makonnen Woldemikael, pl= u tarde Haile Selassie, imperiestro di Etiopia, naskis. Il esis heredanto d= i dinastio qua esis decendanti di rejulo Solomon e la rejino di Sheba. En 1= 916, pos la destronizo di Iyasu 5ma, Zawditu, onklino di Iyasu, divenis imp= eriestrino di Etiopia, e Tafari divenis regento, kom Ras Tafari (Princo Taf= ari). Il divenis imperiestro en 1930 ye la morto di Zawditu. Il esis destro= nizata da la armeo di Etiopia en 1974, ed esis enkarcerigata en la Granda P= alaco; il mortis en 1975.

1995. Kometo Hale-Bopp esis deskovrata da Alan Hale e T= homas Bopp en Usa. Pos mayo 1996 ol esis videbla per okuli sen teleskopo; e= n februaro 1997 olua du kaudi esis klare videbla. Ye 22 di marto 1997 la ko= meto atingis maxim proximeso a Tero. Ye maxim proximeso ol esis plu brilant= a kam irga stelo. Olua orbito esante preske perpendikla a la ekliptiko, ol = esis videbla en la sudala misfero di Tero pos maxim proximeso; la lasta obs= ervado per okulo sen teleskopo esis en decembro 1997. Astronomi expektas ke= olua sequanta vizito a ca regiono di la sunala sistemo esos ye cirkume la = yaro 4385.

Kordiale DGW
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Sat, 23 Jul 2016 17:10:08 +0000 To: "idocatalaoccitan@yahoogroups.com" Thread-Topic: Kelka korektiguri Thread-Index: AQHR5QMTedKb9bEVz06bZ7BkpeQC/w== Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2016 17:10:07 +0000 Message-ID: Accept-Language: es-ES, en-US Content-Language: es-ES X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: authentication-results: spf=softfail (sender IP is 10.152.4.57) smtp.mailfrom=hotmail.com; yahoogroups.com; dkim=none (message not signed) header.d=none;yahoogroups.com; dmarc=fail action=none header.from=hotmail.com; X-received-spf: SoftFail (protection.outlook.com: domain of transitioning hotmail.com discourages use of 10.152.4.57 as permitted sender) x-tmn: [wrH9iB+na3sdsc3v1KQc7Ds5bQABBcWL] x-eopattributedmessage: 0 x-forefront-antispam-report: CIP:10.152.4.57;IPV:NLI;CTRY:;EFV:NLI;SFV:NSPM;SFS:(10019020)(98900003);DIR:OUT;SFP:1102;SCL:1;SRVR:DB5EUR01HT092;H:VI1PR0201MB2221.eurprd02.prod.outlook.com;FPR:;SPF:None;LANG:; x-microsoft-exchange-diagnostics: 1;DB5EUR01HT092;6:0Tw/baKS2NVwkxq6SXFB7LD6Gng2ojEK/ZdE7vlVyDDx/FgjG/5nTZPRmICrmBSSN+1H0nqkEix+0GV7J1fRFzY0PUx+wlx7fM3DtLuXd6junssVd0WQoNls5sjyr32eIzx43swhe+HxyQnXaeanWVKJMl3AqkTHuUrlkZd/cujtlbQYEMZ6w6ac4Si14kEkj3uuqZmUR9WOwGX5W3cC2drec/2wXyPEwjOcTLOsoBcBenhM2X2gZ5Gz47G6Lv2BgHYdBly5o9f/utZWjRshdNUb4rIBQIyW299bpDAg9/5zh1D0KpOFzzgu7wL2neQJ;5:/akedMN4zr9CNbPbdhC/vzNWHvicSglfjU9+jFcH9ihj9ENysRsUZjQBCV34oSxg8OwmwvRB7Gb3y3PHRgmZha2oqptavGR5xbpVBCMTQdkvwiMkTAomlvoyZnI9V3fWqfzDOIYrLy6/dIRNv3VCBw==;24:ZuOVLIWJy/hzFrGnj4iTRwNDHgnR1MfdO7FQHb3aoJw9NYnY06DzkFI6OlUBca/oqdSN3E5z2mV+vcU9gF+mrgpem5Y5k73my2MnWcdlqNQ=;7:8BZwP2lFt/3GZGDWg34gd3ICmFXwvXDW2fnc3GYQwVbVzrrfnETKUD0p7qoT07847CX+xJoIoTGh2ZIaTupPpKrRJJwopajB2eQtwGH15uLJU/fLnfhUpn8uJXnbu3uZM7dbfltzd8t7QxQ7C06J/isR778AVy/lPmbQBTw98IDGU50aXD6Do6HcodsJLzIug56tdFudWckttJwA4sLlu/U8vOb9GdHKTwBmtpO/Ilk= x-ms-office365-filtering-correlation-id: bf577b04-0879-4820-a29d-08d3b31c32c1 x-microsoft-antispam: UriScan:;BCL:0;PCL:0;RULEID:(1601124038)(1601125047);SRVR:DB5EUR01HT092; 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X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Jul 2016 17:10:11.0922 (UTC) FILETIME=[128C0B20:01D1E505] Subject: Kelka korektiguri X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=211083072; y=kaKRrdWcPtNr-t4v-pyIQvkXmt5RNP8OHoUpXOJT_x0Xn1pG7sy93xY X-Yahoo-Profile: idovalencia From: Che Partaka --_000_VI1PR0201MB22212E47B515791582F2766E4DD0B0VI1PR0201MB2221_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Respektinda samideani: Voluntez atencar la sequanta korektiguri e sugesti!= - teoristo -> teoriisto (teori.o, teori.ist.o) - rojo -> rEDo (red.a, r= ed.o) - lingui qui li lernas -> lingui quiN *li* lernas (objekto avan subj= ekto) - porto -> porDo (pord.o) - homage -> homaJe (homaj.ar, homaj.e) -= Portugala -> PortugalANa (Portugal, Portugal.an.a) - Itala -> ItalIANa (I= tali.a, Itali.an.a) - Galiciana -> GaliSiana (Galisi.a, Galisi.an.a). Se p= ri regiono en Hispania. - polizisti -> poliCisti (polic.o, polic.ist.i) -= Me rekomendas vi ulo -> Me rekomendas A vi ulo (MIE: Me Ipsa Eroris) Par= donez mea posibla erori, e til balda komuniko! * * * * * * * * p a r t = a k a * * * * * * * * --_000_VI1PR0201MB22212E47B515791582F2766E4DD0B0VI1PR0201MB2221_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Respekti= nda samideani: 

Voluntez atencar la sequanta ko= rektiguri e sugesti! 

- teoristo -> teoriisto (teori.o, teori.ist.o) 

- rojo -> rEDo (red.a, red.o) 

- lin= gui qui li lernas -> lingui quiN *li* lernas (objekto avan subjekto)&nbs= p;

- porto -> porDo (pord.o) 

- homage -> homaJe (homaj.ar, homaj.e) <= /p>

- Itala -> ItalIANa (Itali.a, Itali.an.a) 

- Galiciana -> GaliSiana (Galisi.a, Galisi.an.a). Se pri r= egiono en Hispania. 

- polizisti -> poliCist= i (polic.o, polic.ist.i) 

- Me rekomendas vi ul= o -> Me rekomendas A vi ulo (MIE: Me Ipsa Eroris) 


= Pardonez mea posibla erori, e til balda= komuniko! 



<= /b>

* * * * * * * * 

p a r= t a k a 

* * * * * * * * 



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Sun, 24 Jul 2016 10:52:27 +0000 To: "idocatalaoccitan@yahoogroups.com" Thread-Topic: Frazo da Descartes Thread-Index: AQHR5T7VQU0eo0zDrUCiPItAQpMhLw== Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2016 10:52:27 +0000 Message-ID: Accept-Language: es-ES, en-US Content-Language: es-ES X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: authentication-results: spf=softfail (sender IP is 10.152.0.56) smtp.mailfrom=hotmail.com; yahoogroups.com; dkim=none (message not signed) header.d=none;yahoogroups.com; dmarc=fail action=none header.from=hotmail.com; X-received-spf: SoftFail (protection.outlook.com: domain of transitioning hotmail.com discourages use of 10.152.0.56 as permitted sender) x-tmn: [crZSSA1f0LBiDhOLQwJDBe/7N3pAiO/N] x-eopattributedmessage: 0 x-forefront-antispam-report: CIP:10.152.0.56;IPV:NLI;CTRY:;EFV:NLI;SFV:NSPM;SFS:(10019020)(98900003);DIR:OUT;SFP:1102;SCL:1;SRVR:HE1EUR01HT089;H:VI1PR0201MB2221.eurprd02.prod.outlook.com;FPR:;SPF:None;LANG:gl; x-microsoft-exchange-diagnostics: 1;HE1EUR01FT059;1:RW5m7LSkEMUyhJvKM0UyFfYOemdbdyhzAXKjeMGGgS4S/JXjEmVAy8/jICsbc2EPl3X0t5EVGkbKEFTMIY/UrLNVTC6IpQapYGknn4GE8rb186teCqM4ugVzMTlWOa8QQfPcS3zgP5CJJWe+MPBVuyO2BcP8OwXYEFR3UUbq5rKsfrsikVadY0x8MwbZy7S4rasDwUWydqlnOd064C9AhtmES1Vs10nqnVdV9X03XCj58xP2MM6eRz9H8WEkqFtE3NzZJEKm9qAXSoV4HUKQvC3giK33j1E6PhRU5VZ8DnTd/hs7Di59pDvKc9e0moTnRnUmShTNZCDWm9uFT+sQcWw24hVBx/zWpxOKGLGYFtLmFhG8Sm0CUxwIh8fzC79GaTrrGJjj9ZfDocQDQrHC8G0DxJm5ei0g/aUaFJ80LaW7dzfgBBJm+bnO5gJoafr7TAyk64REdhhx13d21rn7m0ioSxCGMYatx/ajXAXNJQY= x-ms-office365-filtering-correlation-id: b0a6d1d2-0978-486e-370a-08d3b3b09aa5 x-microsoft-antispam: UriScan:;BCL:0;PCL:0;RULEID:(1601124038)(1601125047);SRVR:HE1EUR01HT089; 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X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Jul 2016 10:52:31.0381 (UTC) FILETIME=[7A39A450:01D1E599] Subject: Frazo da Descartes X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=211083072; y=FagzhF7E3dLgkZb-VHhodlgSzuq3896bhbBGOIM1F76hwGUT4YHwPMQ X-Yahoo-Profile: idovalencia From: Che Partaka --_000_VI1PR0201MB2221C0C8F7714B966FF2677FFDD0C0VI1PR0201MB2221_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable "Me pensas, do me existas." (Descartes) (Partaka) --_000_VI1PR0201MB2221C0C8F7714B966FF2677FFDD0C0VI1PR0201MB2221_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

"Me p= ensas, do me existas." (Descartes) 


<= /span>

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X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Jul 2016 11:08:27.0167 (UTC) FILETIME=[DE54C2F0:01D1E664] Subject: Frazo da Descartes X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=211083072; y=taa_8FS7ku40LUOLuJvKq-HdckBTUWqjS-E2prBCZOh7fBJOItjRZPk X-Yahoo-Profile: idovalencia From: Che Partaka --_000_VI1PR0201MB2221F1E812633944C7E9B882FDD0D0VI1PR0201MB2221_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable "Lektado esas konversado kun la maxim glorioza homi dil pasinta yarcenti." = (Descartes) (Partaka) --_000_VI1PR0201MB2221F1E812633944C7E9B882FDD0D0VI1PR0201MB2221_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

"Lekt= ado esas konversado kun la maxim glorioza homi dil pasinta yarcenti." = (Descartes) 


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Pro kuriozeso, me studiis dum kelka monati la origin= o di Ido-vorti qui esas en la vortari da Dyer (1924). Nam me ne povis trova= r informajo pri la metodo di la Pioniri ipsa, me exploris lia metodo per la= vorti adoptita ipsa. Pos exameno me deskovris, ke la Ido ante 1924 sequas = logiko quan la nuna Ido ultempe ne plus sequas. Regretinde, la personi qui= adoptas nova =C2=AB oficala =C2=BB radiki rare (o mem nultempe) explikas l= a motivo e la rezonado por lia adopti, o li nur prizentas la vorto en DEFIR= S. Konseque, me probez chanjar to per demonstrar (tote gratuite!), ke ni po= vas adoptar nova radiki sen =C2=AB oficala =C2=BB komitato qua adoptas elem= enti sekrete ed opake=E2=80=94ultre to, pro quo ni bezonus pagar por divena= r membro ed acesar ta esencal informajo? Por sequar la stilo di la Pioniri= , me konstruktis metodo quan, me esperas, esas maxim fidela a ta di la Pion= iri. Yen mea metodo personala: Studio etimologiala. Komparo kun altra vor= ti. Prototipo. Komparo kun DEFIRS. Konkluzo. Por demonstar la metodo, me t= radukos du vorti biologial e medikal: =C2=AB meiosis =C2=BB e =C2=AB myosis= =C2=BB. 1. Studio etimologiala. La vorti =C2=AB meiosis =C2=BB e =C2=AB = myosis =C2=BB venas de la Greka. La vorto =C2=AB meiosis =C2=BB venas de = =C2=AB mei=C5=8Dn =C2=BB, qua signifikas =C2=AB min =C2=BB. La vorto =C2= =AB myosis =C2=BB venas de =C2=AB myein =C2=BB qua signifikas =C2=AB kloz-i= ta =C2=BB. En =C2=AB meiosis =C2=BB, =C2=AB -osis =C2=BB venas de la Greka= vorto ipsa: =C2=AB mei=C5=8Dsis =C2=BB. En =C2=AB myosis =C2=BB, =C2=AB -= osis =C2=BB venas de la Nova Latina. Semblas, ke ol generale signifikas =C2= =AB procedo; anomaleso; formaco =C2=BB. La difero inter la du =C2=AB -osis= =C2=BB importos multe en la sequanta etapo. 2. Komparo kun altra vorti. = On ja trovas la sama origini en ula vorti. Ta vorti esas do fontovorti fund= amental. On trovas =C2=AB mei=C5=8Dn =C2=BB en =C2=AB mioceno =C2=BB. En l= a Greka, semblas, ke on ne pronuncis la litero =C2=AB E =C2=BB en =C2=AB ei= =C2=BB, quale lo demonstras =C2=AB mioceno =C2=BB (mei=C5=8Dn), =C2=AB ido= lo =C2=BB (eid=C5=8Dlon), =C2=AB ikono =C2=BB (eik=C5=8Dn), =C2=AB plioceno= =C2=BB (plei=C5=8Dn) e =C2=AB kalidoskopo =C2=BB (eidos). Konseque, =C2=AB= meio- =C2=BB esez =C2=AB mio- =C2=BB en Ido. On trovas =C2=AB myein =C2= =BB en =C2=AB miopa =C2=BB. To demonstras, ke la =C2=AB myo- =C2=BB di =C2= =AB myosis =C2=BB esez =C2=AB mio- =C2=BB en Ido. On trovas =C2=AB -osis = =C2=BB en =C2=AB amauroso =C2=BB, =C2=AB apoteoso =C2=BB, =C2=AB kloroso = =C2=BB, =C2=AB ekimoso =C2=BB, =C2=AB morfoso =C2=BB, =C2=AB nekroso =C2=BB= , =C2=AB tuberkloso =C2=BB, e. c.. Konseque, =C2=AB -osis =C2=BB esez =C2= =AB -oso =C2=BB en Ido. On quik observez, ke la du vorti konfliktas en Ido= =E2=80=A6 ed en la Angla, en qua li esas homofoni*. En tala konflikti, on u= lkaze konservis la =C2=AB -is =C2=BB final: =C2=AB ibiso =C2=BB (ibe), =C2= =AB iriso =C2=BB (irar), =C2=AB peniso =C2=BB (penar). Anke, =C2=AB oaziso = =C2=BB e =C2=AB sifiliso =C2=BB suportesas da DEFIRS. Konseque, l=E2=80=99u= na esus =C2=AB mioso =C2=BB e l=E2=80=99altra esus =C2=AB miosiso =C2=BB. = Tamen, =C2=AB hipnoto =C2=BB (hypnosis) e =C2=AB narkoto =C2=BB (narcosis) = esas exempli plu fidinda, nam li anke venas de =C2=AB -osis =C2=BB. Li du e= sas stando-nomi qui uzas =C2=AB -otar =C2=BB vice =C2=AB -oso =C2=BB. (Inte= resive, =C2=AB metamorfosar =C2=BB esas igo-verbo qua venas de la igo-nomo = =C2=AB metamorph=C5=8Dsis =C2=BB e ne de la igo-verbo =C2=AB metamorphoun = =C2=BB. Lo sama pri =C2=AB ankilosar =C2=BB (igo-nomo ankyl=C5=8Dsis, igo-v= erbo ankyloun). To e co itere suportas =C2=AB dubar =C2=BB vice =C2=AB dubi= tar =C2=BB, en quo la nomo superesas la verbo. Tamen, li du esas igo-verbi = vice stando-nomi nam lia etimologio lo suportas.) Nun la questiono esas: k= a =C2=AB meiosis =C2=BB e/o =C2=AB myosis =C2=BB esas stando-nomi? Me ne es= as certa nam =C2=AB meiosis =C2=BB esas etapo e =C2=AB myosis =C2=BB esas a= nomaleso ma me kredas, ke omni du ya esas stando-nomi. La lasta questiono = esas: ka finalo per =C2=AB -oto =C2=BB suportesus en =C2=AB meiosis =C2=BB = e/o =C2=AB myosis =C2=BB? Nu, la Greka =C2=AB -=C5=8Dtikos =C2=BB, de ube = =C2=AB -oto =C2=BB forsan venas, venas de verbi (hypn=C5=8Dtikos, nark=C5= =8Dtikos). Kad la verbi =C2=AB mei=C5=8Dtikos =C2=BB e =C2=AB my=C5=8Dtikos= =C2=BB existas? Segun la Lexikon der Biologie di Spektrum.de, existas =C2= =AB mei=C5=8Dtikos =C2=BB. Dum ke =C2=AB myosis =C2=BB, fakte, venas de la = Nova Latina (Merriam-Webster). Konseque, nur =C2=AB meiosis =C2=BB povas es= ar =C2=AB mioto =C2=BB. 3. Prototipo. La du vorti suportas =C2=AB mioso = =C2=BB, ma ni anke povas uzar =C2=AB mioto =C2=BB kom alternativo por =C2= =AB meiosis =C2=BB. 4. Komparo kun DEFIRS. To esas mea feblajo, nam me ne= esas poligloto=E2=80=A6 Me nur savas la Franca e la Angla. Tamen: MEIOSIS= D Meiose, meiotischen? E meiosis, meiotic. F m=C3=A9iose, m=C3=A9iotique.= I meiosi, meiotica? R =D0=BC=D0=B5=D0=B9=D0=BE=D0=B7 (meyoz), =D0=BC=D0=B5= =D0=B9=D0=BE=D0=B7=D0=B0 (meyoza)? S meiosis, mei=C3=B3tica? MYOSIS D Mio= sis? E myosis, myotic. F myosis, myotique. I miosi, miotic? R =D0=BC=D0=B8= =D0=BE=D0=B7=D0=B8=D1=81 (miozis), =D0=BC=D0=B8=D0=BE=D1=82=D0=B8=D1=87=D0= =B5=D1=81=D0=BA=D0=B8=D0=B9 (mioticheskiy)? S miosis, mi=C3=B3tico? La vor= to =C2=AB mioso =C2=BB ed anke =C2=AB mioto =C2=BB (per derivado) esas DEFI= RS. 5. Konkluzo. =C2=AB meiosis =C2=BB =3D mioto. =E2=80=94 DEFIRS =C2= =AB myosis =C2=BB =3D mioso. =E2=80=94 DEFIRS Ni remarkez, ke me komparis = kun DEFIRS nur pos la studio dil etimologio. To esas, pro ke la Pioniri esi= s preskriptivista e fidis reguloza etimologio plu juste kam DEFIRS: exemple= , la Pioniri nultempe adoptis =C2=AB auxiliara =C2=BB nek =C2=AB asterisko = =C2=BB nam lia etimologio indikas, ke li esas sinonimi di =C2=AB help-anta = =C2=BB e =C2=AB stel-eto =C2=BB, e li tradukis la Angla =C2=AB pen =C2=BB p= er =C2=AB plumo =C2=BB nam to esas quon ol signifikas etimologiale (e quon = ol esis historiale). Me remarkigez, ke se on nur sequus DEFIRS, on forsan = obtenus =C2=AB meyoso =C2=BB por =C2=AB meiosis =C2=BB quale en Esperanto (= mejozo). Uf! A ti qui asertas, ke radikifado bezonas =C2=AB ofical =C2=BB = e =C2=AB demokratal =C2=BB organizuro, me dicas: ni ne bezonas demokratio e= n la enreta Ido-societo, ni bezonas raciono. Oficaleso e demokratio sen rac= iono esas vana, nam irgamaniere on erorus e misagus. Ido esas la verko da r= aciono, la raciono di plura ciencisti e plura linguisti qui kunlaboris. 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Yen, la ko= nsilo linguala trovata che la FB IDO da nia nova e valoroza samideano= , Gilles-Philippe Morin, apta esar sola Linguala sekretario :<= /DIV>
 
=

Exemplo di radikifado en Ido.

= Pro kuriozeso, me studiis dum kelka monati la o= rigino di Ido-vorti qui esas en la vortari da Dyer (1924). Nam me ne povis= trovar informajo pri la metodo di la Pioniri ipsa, me exploris lia metodo= per la vorti adoptita ipsa. Pos exameno me deskovris, ke la Ido ante 1924= sequas logiko quan la nuna Ido ultempe ne plus sequas.

Regretinde, la personi qui adoptas nova =C2=AB ofic= ala =C2=BB radiki rare (o mem nultempe) explikas la motivo e la rezonado p= or lia adopti, o li nur prizentas la vorto en DEFIRS. Konseque, me probez = chanjar to per demonstrar (tote gratuite!), ke ni povas adoptar nova radik= i sen =C2=AB oficala =C2=BB komitato qua adoptas elementi sekrete ed opake= =E2=80=94ultre to, pro quo ni bezonus pagar por divenar membro ed acesar t= a esencal informajo?

Por sequar l= a stilo di la Pioniri, me konstruktis metodo quan, me esperas, esas maxim = fidela a ta di la Pioniri.

Yen me= a metodo personala:

Studio etimol= ogiala.
Komparo kun altra vorti.
Prototipo.
Komparo kun DEFIRS.Konkluzo.

Por demonstar la meto= do, me tradukos du vorti biologial e medikal: =C2=AB meiosis =C2=BB e =C2= =AB myosis =C2=BB.

1. Studio etim= ologiala.

La vorti =C2=AB meiosis= =C2=BB e =C2=AB myosis =C2=BB venas de la Greka.

La vorto =C2=AB meiosis =C2=BB venas de =C2=AB mei=C5=8Dn= =C2=BB, qua signifikas =C2=AB min =C2=BB.

La vorto =C2=AB myosis =C2=BB venas de =C2=AB myein =C2=BB qua s= ignifikas =C2=AB kloz-ita =C2=BB.

En =C2=AB meiosis =C2=BB, =C2=AB -osis =C2=BB venas de la Greka vorto ip= sa: =C2=AB mei=C5=8Dsis =C2=BB.

E= n =C2=AB myosis =C2=BB, =C2=AB -osis =C2=BB venas de la Nova Latina. Sembl= as, ke ol generale signifikas =C2=AB procedo; anomaleso; formaco =C2=BB.

La difero inter la du =C2=AB -osis = =C2=BB importos multe en la sequanta etapo.

2. Komparo kun altra vorti.

On ja trovas la sama origini en ula vorti. Ta vorti esas do fonto= vorti fundamental.

On trovas =C2= =AB mei=C5=8Dn =C2=BB en =C2=AB mioceno =C2=BB. En la Greka, semblas, ke o= n ne pronuncis la litero =C2=AB E =C2=BB en =C2=AB ei =C2=BB, quale lo demo= nstras =C2=AB mioceno =C2=BB (mei=C5=8Dn), =C2=AB idolo =C2=BB (eid=C5=8Dl= on), =C2=AB ikono =C2=BB (eik=C5=8Dn), =C2=AB plioceno =C2=BB (plei=C5=8Dn)= e =C2=AB kalidoskopo =C2=BB (eidos). Konseque, =C2=AB meio- =C2=BB esez = =C2=AB mio- =C2=BB en Ido.

On tro= vas =C2=AB myein =C2=BB en =C2=AB miopa =C2=BB. To demonstras, ke la =C2= =AB myo- =C2=BB di =C2=AB myosis =C2=BB esez =C2=AB mio- =C2=BB en Ido.

On trovas =C2=AB -osis =C2=BB en =C2= =AB amauroso =C2=BB, =C2=AB apoteoso =C2=BB, =C2=AB kloroso =C2=BB, =C2=AB= ekimoso =C2=BB, =C2=AB morfoso =C2=BB, =C2=AB nekroso =C2=BB, =C2=AB tuber= kloso =C2=BB, e. c.. Konseque, =C2=AB -osis =C2=BB esez =C2=AB -oso =C2=BB= en Ido.

On quik observez, ke la = du vorti konfliktas en Ido=E2=80=A6 ed en la Angla, en qua li esas homofon= i*. En tala konflikti, on ulkaze konservis la =C2=AB -is =C2=BB final: =C2= =AB ibiso =C2=BB (ibe), =C2=AB iriso =C2=BB (irar), =C2=AB peniso =C2=BB (p= enar). Anke, =C2=AB oaziso =C2=BB e =C2=AB sifiliso =C2=BB suportesas da D= EFIRS. Konseque, l=E2=80=99una esus =C2=AB mioso =C2=BB e l=E2=80=99altra = esus =C2=AB miosiso =C2=BB.

Tamen= , =C2=AB hipnoto =C2=BB (hypnosis) e =C2=AB narkoto =C2=BB (narcosis) esas= exempli plu fidinda, nam li anke venas de =C2=AB -osis =C2=BB. Li du esas = stando-nomi qui uzas =C2=AB -otar =C2=BB vice =C2=AB -oso =C2=BB. (Interes= ive, =C2=AB metamorfosar =C2=BB esas igo-verbo qua venas de la igo-nomo = =C2=AB metamorph=C5=8Dsis =C2=BB e ne de la igo-verbo =C2=AB metamorphoun = =C2=BB. Lo sama pri =C2=AB ankilosar =C2=BB (igo-nomo ankyl=C5=8Dsis, igo-v= erbo ankyloun). To e co itere suportas =C2=AB dubar =C2=BB vice =C2=AB dub= itar =C2=BB, en quo la nomo superesas la verbo. Tamen, li du esas igo-verb= i vice stando-nomi nam lia etimologio lo suportas.)

Nun la questiono esas: ka =C2=AB meiosis =C2=BB e/o =C2= =AB myosis =C2=BB esas stando-nomi? Me ne esas certa nam =C2=AB meiosis = =C2=BB esas etapo e =C2=AB myosis =C2=BB esas anomaleso ma me kredas, ke o= mni du ya esas stando-nomi.

La la= sta questiono esas: ka finalo per =C2=AB -oto =C2=BB suportesus en =C2=AB = meiosis =C2=BB e/o =C2=AB myosis =C2=BB? Nu, la Greka =C2=AB -=C5=8Dtikos = =C2=BB, de ube =C2=AB -oto =C2=BB forsan venas, venas de verbi (hypn=C5=8D= tikos, nark=C5=8Dtikos). Kad la verbi =C2=AB mei=C5=8Dtikos =C2=BB e =C2= =AB my=C5=8Dtikos =C2=BB existas? Segun la Lexikon der Biologie di Spektru= m.de, existas =C2=AB mei=C5=8Dtikos =C2=BB. Dum ke =C2=AB myosis =C2=BB, fa= kte, venas de la Nova Latina (Merriam-Webster). Konseque, nur =C2=AB meios= is =C2=BB povas esar =C2=AB mioto =C2=BB.

3. Prototipo.

La du vor= ti suportas =C2=AB mioso =C2=BB, ma ni anke povas uzar =C2=AB mioto =C2=BB= kom alternativo por =C2=AB meiosis =C2=BB.

4. Komparo kun DEFIRS.

To esas mea feblajo, nam me ne esas poligloto=E2=80=A6 Me nur savas la Fr= anca e la Angla. Tamen:

MEIOSIS

D Meiose, meiotischen?
E meiosi= s, meiotic.
F m=C3=A9iose, m=C3=A9iotique.
I meiosi, meiotica?
R = =D0=BC=D0=B5=D0=B9=D0=BE=D0=B7 (meyoz), =D0=BC=D0=B5=D0=B9=D0=BE=D0=B7=D0= =B0 (meyoza)?
S meiosis, mei=C3=B3tica?

MYOSIS

D Miosis?
E = myosis, myotic.
F myosis, myotique.
I miosi, miotic?
R =D0=BC=D0= =B8=D0=BE=D0=B7=D0=B8=D1=81 (miozis), =D0=BC=D0=B8=D0=BE=D1=82=D0=B8=D1=87= =D0=B5=D1=81=D0=BA=D0=B8=D0=B9 (mioticheskiy)?
S miosis, mi=C3=B3tico?<= /FONT>

La vorto =C2=AB mioso =C2=BB ed a= nke =C2=AB mioto =C2=BB (per derivado) esas DEFIRS.

5. Konkluzo.

= =C2=AB meiosis =C2=BB =3D mioto. =E2=80=94 DEFIRS

=C2=AB myosis =C2=BB =3D mioso. =E2=80=94 DEFIRS

Ni remarkez, ke me komparis kun DEFIRS nu= r pos la studio dil etimologio. To esas, pro ke la Pioniri esis preskripti= vista e fidis reguloza etimologio plu juste kam DEFIRS: exemple, la Pionir= i nultempe adoptis =C2=AB auxiliara =C2=BB nek =C2=AB asterisko =C2=BB nam= lia etimologio indikas, ke li esas sinonimi di =C2=AB help-anta =C2=BB e = =C2=AB stel-eto =C2=BB, e li tradukis la Angla =C2=AB pen =C2=BB per =C2=AB= plumo =C2=BB nam to esas quon ol signifikas etimologiale (e quon ol esis = historiale).

Me remarkigez, ke se= on nur sequus DEFIRS, on forsan obtenus =C2=AB meyoso =C2=BB por =C2=AB m= eiosis =C2=BB quale en Esperanto (mejozo). Uf!

A ti qui asertas, ke radikifado bezonas =C2=AB ofical =C2=BB = e =C2=AB demokratal =C2=BB organizuro, me dicas: ni ne bezonas demokratio = en la enreta Ido-societo, ni bezonas raciono. Oficaleso e demokratio sen r= aciono esas vana, nam irgamaniere on erorus e misagus. Ido esas la verko d= a raciono, la raciono di plura ciencisti e plura linguisti qui kunlaboris.= Ni sequez ta raciono vice debatar vane e sen raciono.

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X-YMail-OSG: EROdDBgVRDvx6ED6y6X_mlZqON4pV.mQPTOi2hr4IdzaCRPM.8HgAbpn3cArPfb U.u2Cd6VbVTiamRl.1vhc5NY- X-Received: from jws100255.mail.ne1.yahoo.com by sendmailws149.mail.ne1.yahoo.com; Thu, 28 Jul 2016 14:32:48 +0000; 1469716368.643 Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2016 14:31:29 +0000 (UTC) To: "IdoCatalaOccitan@yahoogroups.com" , "ULI-DK@yahoogroups.com" Message-ID: <581217878.5764585.1469716289836.JavaMail.yahoo@...> In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_5764584_1474840255.1469716289821" Content-Length: 42892 Reply-To: Subject: Re: [IdoCatalaOccitan] Konsidero lingual X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=579481222; y=qwG2-IVPYHjwLr2b8E06WxHYC4sNaEPgikDC93lR8G4LuWm5MZe4OoRy8k0Z-t_Wry9iJyTkyAfaiHugB3WVThDYmTg X-Yahoo-Profile: mondoidala From: ------=_Part_5764584_1474840255.14697162289821 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Kara Jean e sro Morin, me nur dicus, ke segun l'anciena Greka, "mei-" (=CE= =BC=CE=B5=CE=B9=CF=8C=CF=89, =CE=BC=CE=B5=CE=B9=CF=8E=CF=83=CF=89) esis ver= a diftongo; nur pos multa yarcenti la t.n. "iota-igado" transformis ol a la= pronunco "mi-" (la moderna Greka havas preske omnube la sono "-i-" por ta = diftongi) e ne en omna lingui (l'Angla sempre simpligas pronunco, precipue = di diftongi, ma certe l'Angla ne devez esar la decidanta linguo). Do, pro= ke la vorto havis unesme diftongo, e la tota DEFIRS uzas "meios-", pro quo= ne havar "meioso" en Ido? To bone distingus la du vorti, restus segun l'et= imologio, ed anke esus segun l'uzado dil moderna lingui, do esas nemediate = rikonocata da la plu multa homi. Me supozas, ke la vorto havus nur la signi= fiko biologial, do devez esar maxim rikonocita da ciencisti.=C2=A0 Pri ta= lasta argumento, la naturala lingui esis ed esos formacita dal populo, ne = da komitato od imperi. Ma la konstruktita lingui esas specala kazi. Quale n= ia idiomo vivos? Sen "oficala" vorti ni forsan havus kaoso, od adminime pro= blemi pri perfekta komprenado. Ka ni deziras, ke nia idiomo vivez e kreskez= quale naturala lingui, ed esez quik uzebla da omni, sive necesa vorti esas= oficale disponebla sive ne? Ka ni deziras, ke nia idiomo havez nur oficala= vortaro, e ni vartez dum monati, yari, dekyari til ke vorto divenas ofical= a? Ka ni deziras, ke por quik havar nova vorti, nur un od admaxime du direk= tanti oficaligez nova vorti? O ka ni deziras mixuro di ta kazi, ke homi uze= z e facez parolante e skribante necesa vorti, e ke pose la Komitato oficale= decidez? Me esas ofte jenita dum skribar pro manko di la justa vorto por m= oderna aparato, mashino, agado, temo. Sen la verki di Jean Martignon, nun s= erchebla en lua Antologio, me certe cesus mea probi Idal. Ido esas ya konst= ruktita linguo. Ma ol esas precipue linguo. Se ne facile uzebla omnadie, ol= esas nulo ma ludilo. Quale ni decidos? Me avide vartas la decido! Kordial= e,Brian Drake Sent from Yahoo Mail. Get the app From: "martignon.j= ean@... [IdoCatalaOccitan]" To: = ULI-DK@yahoogroups.com Cc: IdoCatalaOccitan@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday= , July 26, 2016 2:12 PM Subject: [IdoCatalaOccitan] Konsidero lingual = =C2=A0 Yen, la konsilo linguala trovata che la FB IDO=C2=A0da nia nova e = valoroza samideano, Gilles-Philippe Morin,=C2=A0apta esar sola Linguala sek= retario :=C2=A0Exemplo di radikifado en Ido.Pro kuriozeso, me studiis dum k= elka monati la origino di Ido-vorti qui esas en la vortari da Dyer (1924). = Nam me ne povis trovar informajo pri la metodo di la Pioniri ipsa, me explo= ris lia metodo per la vorti adoptita ipsa. Pos exameno me deskovris, ke la = Ido ante 1924 sequas logiko quan la nuna Ido ultempe ne plus sequas.Regreti= nde, la personi qui adoptas nova =C2=AB oficala =C2=BB radiki rare (o mem n= ultempe) explikas la motivo e la rezonado por lia adopti, o li nur prizenta= s la vorto en DEFIRS. Konseque, me probez chanjar to per demonstrar (tote g= ratuite!), ke ni povas adoptar nova radiki sen =C2=AB oficala =C2=BB komita= to qua adoptas elementi sekrete ed opake=E2=80=94ultre to, pro quo ni bezon= us pagar por divenar membro ed acesar ta esencal informajo?Por sequar la st= ilo di la Pioniri, me konstruktis metodo quan, me esperas, esas maxim fidel= a a ta di la Pioniri.Yen mea metodo personala:Studio etimologiala. Komparo = kun altra vorti. Prototipo. Komparo kun DEFIRS. Konkluzo.Por demonstar la m= etodo, me tradukos du vorti biologial e medikal: =C2=AB meiosis =C2=BB e = =C2=AB myosis =C2=BB.1. Studio etimologiala.La vorti =C2=AB meiosis =C2=BB = e =C2=AB myosis =C2=BB venas de la Greka.La vorto =C2=AB meiosis =C2=BB ven= as de =C2=AB mei=C5=8Dn =C2=BB, qua signifikas =C2=AB min =C2=BB.La vorto = =C2=AB myosis =C2=BB venas de =C2=AB myein =C2=BB qua signifikas =C2=AB klo= z-ita =C2=BB.En =C2=AB meiosis =C2=BB, =C2=AB -osis =C2=BB venas de la Grek= a vorto ipsa: =C2=AB mei=C5=8Dsis =C2=BB.En =C2=AB myosis =C2=BB, =C2=AB -o= sis =C2=BB venas de la Nova Latina. Semblas, ke ol generale signifikas =C2= =AB procedo; anomaleso; formaco =C2=BB.La difero inter la du =C2=AB -osis = =C2=BB importos multe en la sequanta etapo.2. Komparo kun altra vorti.On ja= trovas la sama origini en ula vorti. Ta vorti esas do fontovorti fundament= al.On trovas =C2=AB mei=C5=8Dn =C2=BB en =C2=AB mioceno =C2=BB. En la Greka= , semblas, ke on ne pronuncis la litero =C2=AB E =C2=BB en =C2=AB ei =C2=BB= , quale lo demonstras =C2=AB mioceno =C2=BB (mei=C5=8Dn), =C2=AB idolo =C2= =BB (eid=C5=8Dlon), =C2=AB ikono =C2=BB (eik=C5=8Dn), =C2=AB plioceno =C2= =BB (plei=C5=8Dn) e =C2=AB kalidoskopo =C2=BB (eidos). Konseque, =C2=AB mei= o- =C2=BB esez =C2=AB mio- =C2=BB en Ido.On trovas =C2=AB myein =C2=BB en = =C2=AB miopa =C2=BB. To demonstras, ke la =C2=AB myo- =C2=BB di =C2=AB myos= is =C2=BB esez =C2=AB mio- =C2=BB en Ido.On trovas =C2=AB -osis =C2=BB en = =C2=AB amauroso =C2=BB, =C2=AB apoteoso =C2=BB, =C2=AB kloroso =C2=BB, =C2= =AB ekimoso =C2=BB, =C2=AB morfoso =C2=BB, =C2=AB nekroso =C2=BB, =C2=AB tu= berkloso =C2=BB, e. c.. Konseque, =C2=AB -osis =C2=BB esez =C2=AB -oso =C2= =BB en Ido.On quik observez, ke la du vorti konfliktas en Ido=E2=80=A6 ed e= n la Angla, en qua li esas homofoni*. En tala konflikti, on ulkaze konservi= s la =C2=AB -is =C2=BB final: =C2=AB ibiso =C2=BB (ibe), =C2=AB iriso =C2= =BB (irar), =C2=AB peniso =C2=BB (penar). Anke, =C2=AB oaziso =C2=BB e =C2= =AB sifiliso =C2=BB suportesas da DEFIRS. Konseque, l=E2=80=99una esus =C2= =AB mioso =C2=BB e l=E2=80=99altra esus =C2=AB miosiso =C2=BB.Tamen, =C2=AB= hipnoto =C2=BB (hypnosis) e =C2=AB narkoto =C2=BB (narcosis) esas exempli = plu fidinda, nam li anke venas de =C2=AB -osis =C2=BB. Li du esas stando-no= mi qui uzas =C2=AB -otar =C2=BB vice =C2=AB -oso =C2=BB. (Interesive, =C2= =AB metamorfosar =C2=BB esas igo-verbo qua venas de la igo-nomo =C2=AB meta= morph=C5=8Dsis =C2=BB e ne de la igo-verbo =C2=AB metamorphoun =C2=BB. Lo s= ama pri =C2=AB ankilosar =C2=BB (igo-nomo ankyl=C5=8Dsis, igo-verbo ankylou= n). To e co itere suportas =C2=AB dubar =C2=BB vice =C2=AB dubitar =C2=BB, = en quo la nomo superesas la verbo. Tamen, li du esas igo-verbi vice stando-= nomi nam lia etimologio lo suportas.)Nun la questiono esas: ka =C2=AB meios= is =C2=BB e/o =C2=AB myosis =C2=BB esas stando-nomi? Me ne esas certa nam = =C2=AB meiosis =C2=BB esas etapo e =C2=AB myosis =C2=BB esas anomaleso ma m= e kredas, ke omni du ya esas stando-nomi.La lasta questiono esas: ka finalo= per =C2=AB -oto =C2=BB suportesus en =C2=AB meiosis =C2=BB e/o =C2=AB myos= is =C2=BB? Nu, la Greka =C2=AB -=C5=8Dtikos =C2=BB, de ube =C2=AB -oto =C2= =BB forsan venas, venas de verbi (hypn=C5=8Dtikos, nark=C5=8Dtikos). Kad la= verbi =C2=AB mei=C5=8Dtikos =C2=BB e =C2=AB my=C5=8Dtikos =C2=BB existas? = Segun la Lexikon der Biologie di Spektrum.de, existas =C2=AB mei=C5=8Dtikos= =C2=BB. Dum ke =C2=AB myosis =C2=BB, fakte, venas de la Nova Latina (Merri= am-Webster). Konseque, nur =C2=AB meiosis =C2=BB povas esar =C2=AB mioto = =C2=BB.3. Prototipo.La du vorti suportas =C2=AB mioso =C2=BB, ma ni anke po= vas uzar =C2=AB mioto =C2=BB kom alternativo por =C2=AB meiosis =C2=BB.4. K= omparo kun DEFIRS.To esas mea feblajo, nam me ne esas poligloto=E2=80=A6 Me= nur savas la Franca e la Angla. Tamen:MEIOSISD Meiose, meiotischen? E meio= sis, meiotic. F m=C3=A9iose, m=C3=A9iotique. I meiosi, meiotica? R =D0=BC= =D0=B5=D0=B9=D0=BE=D0=B7 (meyoz), =D0=BC=D0=B5=D0=B9=D0=BE=D0=B7=D0=B0 (mey= oza)? S meiosis, mei=C3=B3tica?MYOSISD Miosis? E myosis, myotic. F myosis, = myotique. I miosi, miotic? R =D0=BC=D0=B8=D0=BE=D0=B7=D0=B8=D1=81 (miozis),= =D0=BC=D0=B8=D0=BE=D1=82=D0=B8=D1=87=D0=B5=D1=81=D0=BA=D0=B8=D0=B9 (miotic= heskiy)? S miosis, mi=C3=B3tico?La vorto =C2=AB mioso =C2=BB ed anke =C2=AB= mioto =C2=BB (per derivado) esas DEFIRS.5. Konkluzo.=C2=AB meiosis =C2=BB = =3D mioto. =E2=80=94 DEFIRS=C2=AB myosis =C2=BB =3D mioso. =E2=80=94 DEFIRS= Ni remarkez, ke me komparis kun DEFIRS nur pos la studio dil etimologio. To= esas, pro ke la Pioniri esis preskriptivista e fidis reguloza etimologio p= lu juste kam DEFIRS: exemple, la Pioniri nultempe adoptis =C2=AB auxiliara = =C2=BB nek =C2=AB asterisko =C2=BB nam lia etimologio indikas, ke li esas s= inonimi di =C2=AB help-anta =C2=BB e =C2=AB stel-eto =C2=BB, e li tradukis = la Angla =C2=AB pen =C2=BB per =C2=AB plumo =C2=BB nam to esas quon ol sign= ifikas etimologiale (e quon ol esis historiale).Me remarkigez, ke se on nur= sequus DEFIRS, on forsan obtenus =C2=AB meyoso =C2=BB por =C2=AB meiosis = =C2=BB quale en Esperanto (mejozo). Uf!A ti qui asertas, ke radikifado bezo= nas =C2=AB ofical =C2=BB e =C2=AB demokratal =C2=BB organizuro, me dicas: n= i ne bezonas demokratio en la enreta Ido-societo, ni bezonas raciono. Ofica= leso e demokratio sen raciono esas vana, nam irgamaniere on erorus e misagu= s. Ido esas la verko da raciono, la raciono di plura ciencisti e plura ling= uisti qui kunlaboris. 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Kara Jean e sro Morin, me nur dicus, ke segun l'anciena Greka, "mei-" (=CE=BC=CE=B5=CE=B9=CF=8C=CF=89, =CE=BC=CE=B5=CE=B9=CF=8E=CF=83=CF=89)= esis vera diftongo; nur pos multa yarcenti la t.n. "iota-igado" transform= is ol a la pronunco "mi-" (la moderna Greka havas preske omnube la sono "-= i-" por ta diftongi) e ne en omna lingui (l'Angla sempre simpligas pronunc= o, precipue di diftongi, ma certe l'Angla ne devez esar la decidanta linguo= ).

Do, pro ke la vorto havis unesme diftongo, e la tota DEFIRS uz= as "meios-", pro quo ne havar "meioso" en Ido? To bone distingus la du vor= ti, restus segun l'etimologio, ed anke esus segun l'uzado dil moderna ling= ui, do esas nemediate rikonocata da la plu multa homi. Me supozas, ke la vo= rto havus nur la signifiko biologial, do devez esar maxim rikonocita da cie= ncisti. 

Pri ta lasta argumento, la naturala lingu= i esis ed esos formacita dal populo, ne da komitato od imperi. Ma la konstr= uktita lingui esas specala kazi. Quale nia idiomo vivos? Sen "oficala" vort= i ni forsan havus kaoso, od adminime problemi pri perfekta komprenado. Ka n= i deziras, ke nia idiomo vivez e kreskez quale naturala lingui, ed esez qui= k uzebla da omni, sive necesa vorti esas oficale disponebla sive ne? Ka ni = deziras, ke nia idiomo havez nur oficala vortaro, e ni vartez dum monati, y= ari, dekyari til ke vorto divenas oficala? Ka ni deziras, ke por quik havar= nova vorti, nur un od admaxime du direktanti oficaligez nova vorti? O ka n= i deziras mixuro di ta kazi, ke homi uzez e facez parolante e skribante nec= esa vorti, e ke pose la Komitato oficale decidez? Me esas ofte jenita dum s= kribar pro manko di la justa vorto por moderna aparato, mashino, agado, tem= o. Sen la verki di Jean Martignon, nun serchebla en lua Antologio, me certe cesus mea probi Idal.<= /div>

Ido esas ya= konstruktita linguo. Ma ol esas precipue linguo. Se ne facil= e uzebla omnadie, ol esas nulo ma ludilo. Quale ni decidos? Me avide vartas= la decido!

Kordiale,
Brian Drake


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To: ULI-DK@yahoogroups.com
Cc: IdoCatalaOccitan@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 26, = 2016 2:12 PM
Subject: = [IdoCatalaOccitan] Konsidero lingual

 
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Yen, la = konsilo linguala trovata che la FB IDO da nia nova e valoroza samidea= no, Gilles-Philippe Morin, apta esar sola Linguala sekretario :
 
Exemplo di radikifado en Ido.
Pro kuriozeso, me studiis dum= kelka monati la origino di Ido-vorti qui esas en la vortari da Dyer (1924= ). Nam me ne povis trovar informajo pri la metodo di la Pioniri ipsa, me e= xploris lia metodo per la vorti adoptita ipsa. Pos exameno me deskovris, k= e la Ido ante 1924 sequas logiko quan la nuna Ido ultempe ne plus sequas.<= /font>
Regretinde, la personi qu= i adoptas nova =C2=AB oficala =C2=BB radiki rare (o mem nultempe) explikas= la motivo e la rezonado por lia adopti, o li nur prizentas la vorto en DE= FIRS. Konseque, me probez chanjar to per demonstrar (tote gratuite!), ke n= i povas adoptar nova radiki sen =C2=AB oficala =C2=BB komitato qua adoptas= elementi sekrete ed opake=E2=80=94ultre to, pro quo ni bezonus pagar por = divenar membro ed acesar ta esencal informajo?
Por sequar la stilo di la Pioniri, me konstruktis me= todo quan, me esperas, esas maxim fidela a ta di la Pioniri.
<= div>Yen mea metodo personala:
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Studio etimologiala.
Komparo kun altra vorti.
Prototipo.
K= omparo kun DEFIRS.
Konkluzo.
Por demonstar la metodo, me tradukos du vorti biolog= ial e medikal: =C2=AB meiosis =C2=BB e =C2=AB myosis =C2=BB.
<= div>1. Studio etimologiala.
La vorti =C2=AB meiosis =C2=BB e =C2=AB = myosis =C2=BB venas de la Greka.
La vorto =C2=AB meiosis =C2=BB venas de =C2=AB mei=C5=8Dn =C2=BB, = qua signifikas =C2=AB min =C2=BB.
La vorto =C2=AB myosis =C2=BB venas de =C2=AB myein =C2=BB qua si= gnifikas =C2=AB kloz-ita =C2=BB.
En =C2=AB meiosis =C2=BB, =C2=AB -osis =C2=BB venas de la Greka vo= rto ipsa: =C2=AB mei=C5=8Dsis =C2=BB.
En =C2=AB myosis =C2=BB, =C2=AB -osis =C2=BB venas de la Nova= Latina. Semblas, ke ol generale signifikas =C2=AB procedo; anomaleso; for= maco =C2=BB.
La difero in= ter la du =C2=AB -osis =C2=BB importos multe en la sequanta etapo.<= /div>
2. Komparo kun altra vorti.
On ja trovas la sama origini = en ula vorti. Ta vorti esas do fontovorti fundamental.
<= font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"5">On trovas =C2=AB mei=C5=8Dn =C2=BB en =C2=AB= mioceno =C2=BB. En la Greka, semblas, ke on ne pronuncis la litero =C2=AB= E =C2=BB en =C2=AB ei =C2=BB, quale lo demonstras =C2=AB mioceno =C2=BB (= mei=C5=8Dn), =C2=AB idolo =C2=BB (eid=C5=8Dlon), =C2=AB ikono =C2=BB (eik= =C5=8Dn), =C2=AB plioceno =C2=BB (plei=C5=8Dn) e =C2=AB kalidoskopo =C2=BB= (eidos). Konseque, =C2=AB meio- =C2=BB esez =C2=AB mio- =C2=BB en Ido.
On trovas =C2=AB myein =C2= =BB en =C2=AB miopa =C2=BB. To demonstras, ke la =C2=AB myo- =C2=BB di =C2= =AB myosis =C2=BB esez =C2=AB mio- =C2=BB en Ido.
On trovas =C2=AB -osis =C2=BB en =C2=AB amauroso = =C2=BB, =C2=AB apoteoso =C2=BB, =C2=AB kloroso =C2=BB, =C2=AB ekimoso =C2= =BB, =C2=AB morfoso =C2=BB, =C2=AB nekroso =C2=BB, =C2=AB tuberkloso =C2=BB= , e. c.. Konseque, =C2=AB -osis =C2=BB esez =C2=AB -oso =C2=BB en Ido.
On quik observez, ke la du v= orti konfliktas en Ido=E2=80=A6 ed en la Angla, en qua li esas homofoni*. = En tala konflikti, on ulkaze konservis la =C2=AB -is =C2=BB final: =C2=AB = ibiso =C2=BB (ibe), =C2=AB iriso =C2=BB (irar), =C2=AB peniso =C2=BB (penar= ). Anke, =C2=AB oaziso =C2=BB e =C2=AB sifiliso =C2=BB suportesas da DEFIR= S. Konseque, l=E2=80=99una esus =C2=AB mioso =C2=BB e l=E2=80=99altra esus= =C2=AB miosiso =C2=BB.
T= amen, =C2=AB hipnoto =C2=BB (hypnosis) e =C2=AB narkoto =C2=BB (narcosis) = esas exempli plu fidinda, nam li anke venas de =C2=AB -osis =C2=BB. Li du e= sas stando-nomi qui uzas =C2=AB -otar =C2=BB vice =C2=AB -oso =C2=BB. (Int= eresive, =C2=AB metamorfosar =C2=BB esas igo-verbo qua venas de la igo-nom= o =C2=AB metamorph=C5=8Dsis =C2=BB e ne de la igo-verbo =C2=AB metamorphou= n =C2=BB. Lo sama pri =C2=AB ankilosar =C2=BB (igo-nomo ankyl=C5=8Dsis, igo= -verbo ankyloun). To e co itere suportas =C2=AB dubar =C2=BB vice =C2=AB d= ubitar =C2=BB, en quo la nomo superesas la verbo. Tamen, li du esas igo-ve= rbi vice stando-nomi nam lia etimologio lo suportas.)
Nun la questiono esas: ka =C2=AB meiosis =C2= =BB e/o =C2=AB myosis =C2=BB esas stando-nomi? Me ne esas certa nam =C2=AB= meiosis =C2=BB esas etapo e =C2=AB myosis =C2=BB esas anomaleso ma me kre= das, ke omni du ya esas stando-nomi.
La lasta questiono esas: ka finalo per =C2=AB -oto =C2=BB supo= rtesus en =C2=AB meiosis =C2=BB e/o =C2=AB myosis =C2=BB? Nu, la Greka =C2= =AB -=C5=8Dtikos =C2=BB, de ube =C2=AB -oto =C2=BB forsan venas, venas de = verbi (hypn=C5=8Dtikos, nark=C5=8Dtikos). Kad la verbi =C2=AB mei=C5=8Dtik= os =C2=BB e =C2=AB my=C5=8Dtikos =C2=BB existas? Segun la Lexikon der Biolo= gie di Spektrum.de, existas =C2=AB mei=C5=8Dtikos =C2=BB. Dum ke =C2=AB my= osis =C2=BB, fakte, venas de la Nova Latina (Merriam-Webster). Konseque, n= ur =C2=AB meiosis =C2=BB povas esar =C2=AB mioto =C2=BB.
3. Prototipo.
La du vorti suportas =C2=AB mioso =C2=BB, ma ni anke = povas uzar =C2=AB mioto =C2=BB kom alternativo por =C2=AB meiosis =C2=BB.<= /font>
4. Komparo kun DEFIRS.
To esas mea feblajo, nam me= ne esas poligloto=E2=80=A6 Me nur savas la Franca e la Angla. Tamen:
MEIOSIS
D Meiose, meiotischen?
E mei= osis, meiotic.
F m=C3=A9iose, m=C3=A9iotique.
I meiosi, meiotica?
R =D0=BC=D0=B5=D0=B9=D0=BE= =D0=B7 (meyoz), =D0=BC=D0=B5=D0=B9=D0=BE=D0=B7=D0=B0 (meyoza)?
S meiosis, mei=C3=B3tica?
MYOSIS
D Miosis?<= br clear=3D"none">E myosis, myotic.
F myosis, myotique.<= br clear=3D"none">I miosi, miotic?
R =D0=BC=D0=B8=D0=BE= =D0=B7=D0=B8=D1=81 (miozis), =D0=BC=D0=B8=D0=BE=D1=82=D0=B8=D1=87=D0=B5=D1= =81=D0=BA=D0=B8=D0=B9 (mioticheskiy)?
S miosis, mi=C3=B3= tico?
La vorto =C2=AB mio= so =C2=BB ed anke =C2=AB mioto =C2=BB (per derivado) esas DEFIRS.
5. Konkluzo.
=C2=AB meiosis =C2=BB =3D mioto. =E2=80=94 DE= FIRS
=C2=AB myosis =C2=BB= =3D mioso. =E2=80=94 DEFIRS
Ni remarkez, ke me komparis kun DEFIRS nur pos la studio dil etimologi= o. To esas, pro ke la Pioniri esis preskriptivista e fidis reguloza etimol= ogio plu juste kam DEFIRS: exemple, la Pioniri nultempe adoptis =C2=AB aux= iliara =C2=BB nek =C2=AB asterisko =C2=BB nam lia etimologio indikas, ke li= esas sinonimi di =C2=AB help-anta =C2=BB e =C2=AB stel-eto =C2=BB, e li t= radukis la Angla =C2=AB pen =C2=BB per =C2=AB plumo =C2=BB nam to esas quo= n ol signifikas etimologiale (e quon ol esis historiale).
Me remarkigez, ke se on nur sequus DEFIRS,= on forsan obtenus =C2=AB meyoso =C2=BB por =C2=AB meiosis =C2=BB quale en= Esperanto (mejozo). Uf!
= A ti qui asertas, ke radikifado bezonas =C2=AB ofical =C2=BB e =C2=AB demo= kratal =C2=BB organizuro, me dicas: ni ne bezonas demokratio en la enreta = Ido-societo, ni bezonas raciono. Oficaleso e demokratio sen raciono esas va= na, nam irgamaniere on erorus e misagus. Ido esas la verko da raciono, la = raciono di plura ciencisti e plura linguisti qui kunlaboris. Ni sequez ta = raciono vice debatar vane e sen raciono.
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X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Jul 2016 10:20:40.0337 (UTC) FILETIME=[DB383810:01D1E982] Subject: Frazo da Descartes X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=211083072; y=_t3JoNnXs3FLT38MnQgPMnoD_S1QoilyK2YlhG-4yBmSVjOb71AsQKc X-Yahoo-Profile: idovalencia From: Che Partaka --_000_VI1PR0201MB2221A66EBB74E5A55B0D0778BDD000VI1PR0201MB2221_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable "Plubonesas modifikar nia deziri kam la ordinado dil mondo." (Descartes) = (Partaka) --_000_VI1PR0201MB2221A66EBB74E5A55B0D0778BDD000VI1PR0201MB2221_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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Ol ne esas kodexo matematikal qua povas esar sistematre = ed en omna kazi reguligita. La mento homal ne esas perfekte racionoza, do o= n devas egardar ol, dum mantenar la simpleso e la facileso di nia linguo. E= sas ya bona ke on informesez pri la teorii da s-ro Morin, ma onu ne koaktes= as aplikar oli sistematre nek egardar oli. Tante plu ke il ipsa adjuntas ke= lo ne interesas ilu laborar por Ido, ma nur diskutar senfine pri la linguo= ma nur teoriale. Konseque la homi qui laboras konkrete povas havar tote al= tra vidpunto e reaktar altramaniere. Ni devas pensar pri simpla e facile ap= likebla metodi por ke nia linguo esez apta reflektar la mondo moderna. Per = mea laboro en Kuriero Internaciona, me opinionas ke me facis lo necesa, od = adminime ulo utila e ke me indikas la surirota voyo. E ni ne povas vartar d= um yardeki la decidi da DK o Linguala Komitato. Amikala saluti. JM :::-:::= From: mondoidala@... [IdoCatalaOccitan] Sent: Thursday, July 28,= 2016 4:31 PM To: IdoCatalaOccitan@yahoogroups.com ; ULI-DK@yahoogroups.com= Subject: Re: [IdoCatalaOccitan] Konsidero lingual Kara Jean e sro M= orin, me nur dicus, ke segun l'anciena Greka, "mei-" (=CE=BC=CE=B5=CE=B9=CF= =8C=CF=89, =CE=BC=CE=B5=CE=B9=CF=8E=CF=83=CF=89) esis vera diftongo; nur po= s multa yarcenti la t.n. "iota-igado" transformis ol a la pronunco "mi-" (l= a moderna Greka havas preske omnube la sono "-i-" por ta diftongi) e ne en = omna lingui (l'Angla sempre simpligas pronunco, precipue di diftongi, ma ce= rte l'Angla ne devez esar la decidanta linguo). Do, pro ke la vorto hav= is unesme diftongo, e la tota DEFIRS uzas "meios-", pro quo ne havar "meios= o" en Ido? To bone distingus la du vorti, restus segun l'etimologio, ed ank= e esus segun l'uzado dil moderna lingui, do esas nemediate rikonocata da la= plu multa homi. Me supozas, ke la vorto havus nur la signifiko biologial, = do devez esar maxim rikonocita da ciencisti. Pri ta lasta argumento, l= a naturala lingui esis ed esos formacita dal populo, ne da komitato od impe= ri. Ma la konstruktita lingui esas specala kazi. Quale nia idiomo vivos? Se= n "oficala" vorti ni forsan havus kaoso, od adminime problemi pri perfekta = komprenado. Ka ni deziras, ke nia idiomo vivez e kreskez quale naturala lin= gui, ed esez quik uzebla da omni, sive necesa vorti esas oficale disponebla= sive ne? Ka ni deziras, ke nia idiomo havez nur oficala vortaro, e ni vart= ez dum monati, yari, dekyari til ke vorto divenas oficala? Ka ni deziras, k= e por quik havar nova vorti, nur un od admaxime du direktanti oficaligez no= va vorti? O ka ni deziras mixuro di ta kazi, ke homi uzez e facez parolante= e skribante necesa vorti, e ke pose la Komitato oficale decidez? Me esas o= fte jenita dum skribar pro manko di la justa vorto por moderna aparato, mas= hino, agado, temo. Sen la verki di Jean Martignon, nun serchebla en lua Ant= ologio, me certe cesus mea probi Idal. Ido esas ya konstruktita linguo. M= a ol esas precipue linguo. Se ne facile uzebla omnadie, ol esas nulo ma lud= ilo. Quale ni decidos? Me avide vartas la decido! Kordiale, Brian Drake = Sent from Yahoo Mail. Get the app --------------------------------= ------------------------------------------------- From: "martignon.jean@wana= doo.fr [IdoCatalaOccitan]" To: ULI-DK@ya= hoogroups.com Cc: IdoCatalaOccitan@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 26,= 2016 2:12 PM Subject: [IdoCatalaOccitan] Konsidero lingual Yen, la k= onsilo linguala trovata che la FB IDO da nia nova e valoroza samideano, Gil= les-Philippe Morin, apta esar sola Linguala sekretario : Exemplo di radiki= fado en Ido. Pro kuriozeso, me studiis dum kelka monati la origino di Ido-v= orti qui esas en la vortari da Dyer (1924). Nam me ne povis trovar informaj= o pri la metodo di la Pioniri ipsa, me exploris lia metodo per la vorti ado= ptita ipsa. Pos exameno me deskovris, ke la Ido ante 1924 sequas logiko qua= n la nuna Ido ultempe ne plus sequas. Regretinde, la personi qui adoptas no= va =C2=AB oficala =C2=BB radiki rare (o mem nultempe) explikas la motivo e = la rezonado por lia adopti, o li nur prizentas la vorto en DEFIRS. Konseque= , me probez chanjar to per demonstrar (tote gratuite!), ke ni povas adoptar= nova radiki sen =C2=AB oficala =C2=BB komitato qua adoptas elementi sekret= e ed opake=E2=80=94ultre to, pro quo ni bezonus pagar por divenar membro ed= acesar ta esencal informajo? Por sequar la stilo di la Pioniri, me konstru= ktis metodo quan, me esperas, esas maxim fidela a ta di la Pioniri. Yen mea= metodo personala: Studio etimologiala. Komparo kun altra vorti. Prototipo.= Komparo kun DEFIRS. Konkluzo. Por demonstar la metodo, me tradukos du vort= i biologial e medikal: =C2=AB meiosis =C2=BB e =C2=AB myosis =C2=BB. 1. Stu= dio etimologiala. La vorti =C2=AB meiosis =C2=BB e =C2=AB myosis =C2=BB ven= as de la Greka. La vorto =C2=AB meiosis =C2=BB venas de =C2=AB mei=C5=8Dn = =C2=BB, qua signifikas =C2=AB min =C2=BB. La vorto =C2=AB myosis =C2=BB ven= as de =C2=AB myein =C2=BB qua signifikas =C2=AB kloz-ita =C2=BB. En =C2=AB = meiosis =C2=BB, =C2=AB -osis =C2=BB venas de la Greka vorto ipsa: =C2=AB me= i=C5=8Dsis =C2=BB. En =C2=AB myosis =C2=BB, =C2=AB -osis =C2=BB venas de la= Nova Latina. Semblas, ke ol generale signifikas =C2=AB procedo; anomaleso;= formaco =C2=BB. La difero inter la du =C2=AB -osis =C2=BB importos multe e= n la sequanta etapo. 2. Komparo kun altra vorti. On ja trovas la sama origi= ni en ula vorti. Ta vorti esas do fontovorti fundamental. On trovas =C2=AB = mei=C5=8Dn =C2=BB en =C2=AB mioceno =C2=BB. En la Greka, semblas, ke on ne = pronuncis la litero =C2=AB E =C2=BB en =C2=AB ei =C2=BB, quale lo demonstra= s =C2=AB mioceno =C2=BB (mei=C5=8Dn), =C2=AB idolo =C2=BB (eid=C5=8Dlon), = =C2=AB ikono =C2=BB (eik=C5=8Dn), =C2=AB plioceno =C2=BB (plei=C5=8Dn) e = =C2=AB kalidoskopo =C2=BB (eidos). Konseque, =C2=AB meio- =C2=BB esez =C2= =AB mio- =C2=BB en Ido. On trovas =C2=AB myein =C2=BB en =C2=AB miopa =C2= =BB. To demonstras, ke la =C2=AB myo- =C2=BB di =C2=AB myosis =C2=BB esez = =C2=AB mio- =C2=BB en Ido. On trovas =C2=AB -osis =C2=BB en =C2=AB amauroso= =C2=BB, =C2=AB apoteoso =C2=BB, =C2=AB kloroso =C2=BB, =C2=AB ekimoso =C2= =BB, =C2=AB morfoso =C2=BB, =C2=AB nekroso =C2=BB, =C2=AB tuberkloso =C2=BB= , e. c.. Konseque, =C2=AB -osis =C2=BB esez =C2=AB -oso =C2=BB en Ido. On q= uik observez, ke la du vorti konfliktas en Ido=E2=80=A6 ed en la Angla, en = qua li esas homofoni*. En tala konflikti, on ulkaze konservis la =C2=AB -is= =C2=BB final: =C2=AB ibiso =C2=BB (ibe), =C2=AB iriso =C2=BB (irar), =C2= =AB peniso =C2=BB (penar). Anke, =C2=AB oaziso =C2=BB e =C2=AB sifiliso =C2= =BB suportesas da DEFIRS. Konseque, l=E2=80=99una esus =C2=AB mioso =C2=BB = e l=E2=80=99altra esus =C2=AB miosiso =C2=BB. Tamen, =C2=AB hipnoto =C2=BB = (hypnosis) e =C2=AB narkoto =C2=BB (narcosis) esas exempli plu fidinda, nam= li anke venas de =C2=AB -osis =C2=BB. Li du esas stando-nomi qui uzas =C2= =AB -otar =C2=BB vice =C2=AB -oso =C2=BB. (Interesive, =C2=AB metamorfosar = =C2=BB esas igo-verbo qua venas de la igo-nomo =C2=AB metamorph=C5=8Dsis = =C2=BB e ne de la igo-verbo =C2=AB metamorphoun =C2=BB. Lo sama pri =C2=AB = ankilosar =C2=BB (igo-nomo ankyl=C5=8Dsis, igo-verbo ankyloun). To e co ite= re suportas =C2=AB dubar =C2=BB vice =C2=AB dubitar =C2=BB, en quo la nomo = superesas la verbo. Tamen, li du esas igo-verbi vice stando-nomi nam lia et= imologio lo suportas.) Nun la questiono esas: ka =C2=AB meiosis =C2=BB e/o = =C2=AB myosis =C2=BB esas stando-nomi? Me ne esas certa nam =C2=AB meiosis = =C2=BB esas etapo e =C2=AB myosis =C2=BB esas anomaleso ma me kredas, ke om= ni du ya esas stando-nomi. La lasta questiono esas: ka finalo per =C2=AB -o= to =C2=BB suportesus en =C2=AB meiosis =C2=BB e/o =C2=AB myosis =C2=BB? Nu,= la Greka =C2=AB -=C5=8Dtikos =C2=BB, de ube =C2=AB -oto =C2=BB forsan vena= s, venas de verbi (hypn=C5=8Dtikos, nark=C5=8Dtikos). Kad la verbi =C2=AB m= ei=C5=8Dtikos =C2=BB e =C2=AB my=C5=8Dtikos =C2=BB existas? Segun la Lexiko= n der Biologie di Spektrum.de, existas =C2=AB mei=C5=8Dtikos =C2=BB. Dum ke= =C2=AB myosis =C2=BB, fakte, venas de la Nova Latina (Merriam-Webster). Ko= nseque, nur =C2=AB meiosis =C2=BB povas esar =C2=AB mioto =C2=BB. 3. Protot= ipo. La du vorti suportas =C2=AB mioso =C2=BB, ma ni anke povas uzar =C2=AB= mioto =C2=BB kom alternativo por =C2=AB meiosis =C2=BB. 4. Komparo kun DEF= IRS. To esas mea feblajo, nam me ne esas poligloto=E2=80=A6 Me nur savas la= Franca e la Angla. Tamen: MEIOSIS D Meiose, meiotischen? E meiosis, meioti= c. F m=C3=A9iose, m=C3=A9iotique. I meiosi, meiotica? R =D0=BC=D0=B5=D0=B9= =D0=BE=D0=B7 (meyoz), =D0=BC=D0=B5=D0=B9=D0=BE=D0=B7=D0=B0 (meyoza)? S meio= sis, mei=C3=B3tica? MYOSIS D Miosis? E myosis, myotic. F myosis, myotique. = I miosi, miotic? R =D0=BC=D0=B8=D0=BE=D0=B7=D0=B8=D1=81 (miozis), =D0=BC=D0= =B8=D0=BE=D1=82=D0=B8=D1=87=D0=B5=D1=81=D0=BA=D0=B8=D0=B9 (mioticheskiy)? S= miosis, mi=C3=B3tico? La vorto =C2=AB mioso =C2=BB ed anke =C2=AB mioto = =C2=BB (per derivado) esas DEFIRS. 5. Konkluzo. =C2=AB meiosis =C2=BB =3D m= ioto. =E2=80=94 DEFIRS =C2=AB myosis =C2=BB =3D mioso. =E2=80=94 DEFIRS Ni = remarkez, ke me komparis kun DEFIRS nur pos la studio dil etimologio. To es= as, pro ke la Pioniri esis preskriptivista e fidis reguloza etimologio plu = juste kam DEFIRS: exemple, la Pioniri nultempe adoptis =C2=AB auxiliara =C2= =BB nek =C2=AB asterisko =C2=BB nam lia etimologio indikas, ke li esas sino= nimi di =C2=AB help-anta =C2=BB e =C2=AB stel-eto =C2=BB, e li tradukis la = Angla =C2=AB pen =C2=BB per =C2=AB plumo =C2=BB nam to esas quon ol signifi= kas etimologiale (e quon ol esis historiale). Me remarkigez, ke se on nur s= equus DEFIRS, on forsan obtenus =C2=AB meyoso =C2=BB por =C2=AB meiosis =C2= =BB quale en Esperanto (mejozo). Uf! A ti qui asertas, ke radikifado bezona= s =C2=AB ofical =C2=BB e =C2=AB demokratal =C2=BB organizuro, me dicas: ni = ne bezonas demokratio en la enreta Ido-societo, ni bezonas raciono. Oficale= so e demokratio sen raciono esas vana, nam irgamaniere on erorus e misagus.= Ido esas la verko da raciono, la raciono di plura ciencisti e plura lingui= sti qui kunlaboris. 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Kara Brian,
 
Fakte Ido esas= konstruktita linguo, ma quale vu skribas ol esas precipue linguo= . Ol ne esas kodexo matematikal qua povas esar sistematre ed en omna = kazi reguligita. La mento homal ne esas perfekte racionoza, do on devas eg= ardar ol, dum mantenar la simpleso e la facileso di nia linguo. Esas ya bo= na ke on informesez pri la teorii da s-ro Morin, ma onu ne koaktesas aplik= ar oli sistematre nek egardar oli. Tante plu ke il ipsa adjuntas ke l= o ne interesas ilu laborar por Ido, ma nur diskutar senfine pri la linguo = ma nur teoriale. Konseque la homi qui laboras konkrete povas havar tote al= tra vidpunto e reaktar altramaniere. Ni devas pensar pri simpla e facile a= plikebla metodi por ke nia linguo esez apta reflektar la mondo moderna. Pe= r mea laboro en Kuriero Internaciona, me opinionas ke me facis lo necesa, = od adminime ulo utila e ke me indikas la surirota voyo.
E ni ne pova= s vartar dum yardeki la decidi da DK o Linguala Komitato.<= /DIV>
&nb= sp;
Amikal= a saluti. JM :::-:::
 
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Sent: Thursday, = July 28, 2016 4:31 PM
Subject: Re: [IdoCatalaOccitan] Konsidero ling= ual

 

Kara Jean e sro Morin, me nur dicus, ke segun l'anciena Greka= , "mei-" (=CE=BC=CE=B5=CE=B9=CF=8C=CF=89, =CE=BC=CE=B5=CE=B9=CF=8E=CF=83=CF= =89) esis vera diftongo; nur pos multa yarcenti la t.n. "iota-igado" trans= formis ol a la pronunco "mi-" (la moderna Greka havas preske omnube la son= o "-i-" por ta diftongi) e ne en omna lingui (l'Angla sempre simpligas pro= nunco, precipue di diftongi, ma certe l'Angla ne devez esar la decidanta l= inguo).
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Do, pro ke la vorto havis unesme diftongo, e la tota DEFIRS= uzas "meios-", pro quo ne havar "meioso" en Ido? To bone distingus la du = vorti, restus segun l'etimologio, ed anke esus segun l'uzado dil moderna l= ingui, do esas nemediate rikonocata da la plu multa homi. Me supozas, ke l= a vorto havus nur la signifiko biologial, do devez esar maxim rikonocita d= a ciencisti. 

Pri ta lasta argumento, la naturala lingu= i esis ed esos formacita dal populo, ne da komitato od imperi. Ma la konst= ruktita lingui esas specala kazi. Quale nia idiomo vivos? Sen "oficala" vo= rti ni forsan havus kaoso, od adminime problemi pri perfekta komprenado. Ka= ni deziras, ke nia idiomo vivez e kreskez quale naturala lingui, ed esez = quik uzebla da omni, sive necesa vorti esas oficale disponebla sive ne? Ka= ni deziras, ke nia idiomo havez nur oficala vortaro, e ni vartez dum mona= ti, yari, dekyari til ke vorto divenas oficala? Ka ni deziras, ke por quik= havar nova vorti, nur un od admaxime du direktanti oficaligez nova vorti?= O ka ni deziras mixuro di ta kazi, ke homi uzez e facez parolante e skrib= ante necesa vorti, e ke pose la Komitato oficale decidez? Me esas ofte jen= ita dum skribar pro manko di la justa vorto por moderna aparato, mashino, = agado, temo. Sen la verki di Jean Martignon, nun serchebla en lua Antologio, me certe cesus mea = probi Idal.

Ido = esas ya konstruktita linguo. Ma ol esas precipue linguo. Se = ne facile uzebla omnadie, ol esas nulo ma ludilo. Quale ni decidos? Me avi= de vartas la decido!

Kordiale,
Brian Drake
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Yen, la konsilo linguala trovata che la FB I= DO da nia nova e valoroza samideano, Gilles-Philippe Morin, apta= esar sola Linguala sekretario :
 
Ex= emplo di radikifado en Ido.
P= ro kuriozeso, me studiis dum kelka monati la origino di Ido-vorti qui esas= en la vortari da Dyer (1924). Nam me ne povis trovar informajo pri la met= odo di la Pioniri ipsa, me exploris lia metodo per la vorti adoptita ipsa.= Pos exameno me deskovris, ke la Ido ante 1924 sequas logiko quan la nuna = Ido ultempe ne plus sequas.
R= egretinde, la personi qui adoptas nova =C2=AB oficala =C2=BB radiki rare (= o mem nultempe) explikas la motivo e la rezonado por lia adopti, o li nur = prizentas la vorto en DEFIRS. Konseque, me probez chanjar to per demonstra= r (tote gratuite!), ke ni povas adoptar nova radiki sen =C2=AB oficala =C2= =BB komitato qua adoptas elementi sekrete ed opake=E2=80=94ultre to, pro q= uo ni bezonus pagar por divenar membro ed acesar ta esencal informajo?
Por sequar la stilo di la Pionir= i, me konstruktis metodo quan, me esperas, esas maxim fidela a ta di la Pi= oniri.
Yen mea metodo persona= la:
Studio etimologiala.
Komparo kun altra vorti.
Prototipo.
Komparo kun DEFIRS.
Konkluzo.
Por demonstar la metodo, me tradukos du vorti bi= ologial e medikal: =C2=AB meiosis =C2=BB e =C2=AB myosis =C2=BB.
1. Studio etimologiala.
La vorti =C2=AB meiosis =C2=BB e =C2=AB myos= is =C2=BB venas de la Greka.
La vorto =C2=AB meiosis =C2=BB venas de =C2=AB mei=C5=8Dn =C2=BB, qua sig= nifikas =C2=AB min =C2=BB.
La= vorto =C2=AB myosis =C2=BB venas de =C2=AB myein =C2=BB qua signifikas = =C2=AB kloz-ita =C2=BB.
En = =C2=AB meiosis =C2=BB, =C2=AB -osis =C2=BB venas de la Greka vorto ipsa: = =C2=AB mei=C5=8Dsis =C2=BB.
E= n =C2=AB myosis =C2=BB, =C2=AB -osis =C2=BB venas de la Nova Latina. Sembl= as, ke ol generale signifikas =C2=AB procedo; anomaleso; formaco =C2=BB.
La difero inter la du =C2=AB -o= sis =C2=BB importos multe en la sequanta etapo.
2. Komparo kun altra vorti.
On ja trovas la sama origini en ula vorti. Ta vorti esa= s do fontovorti fundamental.
= On trovas =C2=AB mei=C5=8Dn =C2=BB en =C2=AB mioceno =C2=BB. En la Greka, = semblas, ke on ne pronuncis la litero =C2=AB E =C2=BB en =C2=AB ei =C2=BB, = quale lo demonstras =C2=AB mioceno =C2=BB (mei=C5=8Dn), =C2=AB idolo =C2= =BB (eid=C5=8Dlon), =C2=AB ikono =C2=BB (eik=C5=8Dn), =C2=AB plioceno =C2= =BB (plei=C5=8Dn) e =C2=AB kalidoskopo =C2=BB (eidos). Konseque, =C2=AB me= io- =C2=BB esez =C2=AB mio- =C2=BB en Ido.
On trovas =C2=AB myein =C2=BB en =C2=AB miopa =C2=BB. To dem= onstras, ke la =C2=AB myo- =C2=BB di =C2=AB myosis =C2=BB esez =C2=AB mio-= =C2=BB en Ido.
On trovas =C2= =AB -osis =C2=BB en =C2=AB amauroso =C2=BB, =C2=AB apoteoso =C2=BB, =C2=AB= kloroso =C2=BB, =C2=AB ekimoso =C2=BB, =C2=AB morfoso =C2=BB, =C2=AB nekro= so =C2=BB, =C2=AB tuberkloso =C2=BB, e. c.. Konseque, =C2=AB -osis =C2=BB = esez =C2=AB -oso =C2=BB en Ido.
On quik observez, ke la du vorti konfliktas en Ido=E2=80=A6 ed en la An= gla, en qua li esas homofoni*. En tala konflikti, on ulkaze konservis la = =C2=AB -is =C2=BB final: =C2=AB ibiso =C2=BB (ibe), =C2=AB iriso =C2=BB (ir= ar), =C2=AB peniso =C2=BB (penar). Anke, =C2=AB oaziso =C2=BB e =C2=AB sif= iliso =C2=BB suportesas da DEFIRS. Konseque, l=E2=80=99una esus =C2=AB mios= o =C2=BB e l=E2=80=99altra esus =C2=AB miosiso =C2=BB.
<= FONT size=3D5 face=3DArial>Tamen, =C2=AB hipnoto =C2=BB (hypnosis) e =C2=AB= narkoto =C2=BB (narcosis) esas exempli plu fidinda, nam li anke venas de = =C2=AB -osis =C2=BB. Li du esas stando-nomi qui uzas =C2=AB -otar =C2=BB v= ice =C2=AB -oso =C2=BB. (Interesive, =C2=AB metamorfosar =C2=BB esas igo-v= erbo qua venas de la igo-nomo =C2=AB metamorph=C5=8Dsis =C2=BB e ne de la i= go-verbo =C2=AB metamorphoun =C2=BB. Lo sama pri =C2=AB ankilosar =C2=BB (= igo-nomo ankyl=C5=8Dsis, igo-verbo ankyloun). To e co itere suportas =C2= =AB dubar =C2=BB vice =C2=AB dubitar =C2=BB, en quo la nomo superesas la v= erbo. Tamen, li du esas igo-verbi vice stando-nomi nam lia etimologio lo s= uportas.)
Nun la questiono es= as: ka =C2=AB meiosis =C2=BB e/o =C2=AB myosis =C2=BB esas stando-nomi? Me= ne esas certa nam =C2=AB meiosis =C2=BB esas etapo e =C2=AB myosis =C2=BB = esas anomaleso ma me kredas, ke omni du ya esas stando-nomi.
=
La lasta questiono esas: ka finalo per =C2= =AB -oto =C2=BB suportesus en =C2=AB meiosis =C2=BB e/o =C2=AB myosis =C2= =BB? Nu, la Greka =C2=AB -=C5=8Dtikos =C2=BB, de ube =C2=AB -oto =C2=BB fo= rsan venas, venas de verbi (hypn=C5=8Dtikos, nark=C5=8Dtikos). Kad la verbi= =C2=AB mei=C5=8Dtikos =C2=BB e =C2=AB my=C5=8Dtikos =C2=BB existas? Segun= la Lexikon der Biologie di Spektrum.de, existas =C2=AB mei=C5=8Dtikos =C2= =BB. Dum ke =C2=AB myosis =C2=BB, fakte, venas de la Nova Latina (Merriam-= Webster). Konseque, nur =C2=AB meiosis =C2=BB povas esar =C2=AB mioto =C2= =BB.
3. Prototipo.
La du vorti suportas =C2=AB mioso =C2= =BB, ma ni anke povas uzar =C2=AB mioto =C2=BB kom alternativo por =C2=AB = meiosis =C2=BB.
4. Komparo ku= n DEFIRS.
To esas mea feblajo= , nam me ne esas poligloto=E2=80=A6 Me nur savas la Franca e la Angla. Tam= en:
MEIOSIS
D Meiose, meiotischen?
E meios= is, meiotic.
F m=C3=A9iose, m=C3=A9iotique.
I meiosi, meiotica?
R =D0=BC=D0=B5=D0=B9=D0=BE=D0=B7 (me= yoz), =D0=BC=D0=B5=D0=B9=D0=BE=D0=B7=D0=B0 (meyoza)?
S meio= sis, mei=C3=B3tica?
MYOSIS
D Miosis?
E my= osis, myotic.
F myosis, myotique.
I miosi,= miotic?
R =D0=BC=D0=B8=D0=BE=D0=B7=D0=B8=D1=81 (miozis), = =D0=BC=D0=B8=D0=BE=D1=82=D0=B8=D1=87=D0=B5=D1=81=D0=BA=D0=B8=D0=B9 (miotich= eskiy)?
S miosis, mi=C3=B3tico?
La vorto =C2=AB mioso =C2=BB ed anke =C2=AB mioto =C2= =BB (per derivado) esas DEFIRS.
5. Konkluzo.
=C2=AB meios= is =C2=BB =3D mioto. =E2=80=94 DEFIRS
=C2=AB myosis =C2=BB =3D mioso. =E2=80=94 DEFIRS
Ni remarkez, ke me komparis kun DEFIRS nur pos= la studio dil etimologio. To esas, pro ke la Pioniri esis preskriptivista= e fidis reguloza etimologio plu juste kam DEFIRS: exemple, la Pioniri nul= tempe adoptis =C2=AB auxiliara =C2=BB nek =C2=AB asterisko =C2=BB nam lia = etimologio indikas, ke li esas sinonimi di =C2=AB help-anta =C2=BB e =C2= =AB stel-eto =C2=BB, e li tradukis la Angla =C2=AB pen =C2=BB per =C2=AB pl= umo =C2=BB nam to esas quon ol signifikas etimologiale (e quon ol esis hi= storiale).
Me remarkigez, ke = se on nur sequus DEFIRS, on forsan obtenus =C2=AB meyoso =C2=BB por =C2=AB= meiosis =C2=BB quale en Esperanto (mejozo). Uf!
A ti qui asertas, ke radikifado bezonas =C2=AB ofical = =C2=BB e =C2=AB demokratal =C2=BB organizuro, me dicas: ni ne bezonas demo= kratio en la enreta Ido-societo, ni bezonas raciono. Oficaleso e demokrati= o sen raciono esas vana, nam irgamaniere on erorus e misagus. Ido esas la = verko da raciono, la raciono di plura ciencisti e plura linguisti qui kunl= aboris. Ni sequez ta raciono vice debatar vane e sen raciono.
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Ol esis la somerala rezideyo di la Cari, originale= konstruktita por Imperiestrino Yekaterina la 1ma, matro di Yelizaveta. En = 1752 Yelizaveta demandis de sua arkitekto nova strukturo, plu granda ed en = rokoko-stilo. Olua longeso esis 325 metri, e la fasado esis ornata per plu = kam 100 kg de oro. 1863. En Michigan, Usa, la entraprezisto Henry Ford nask= is. Ilua patro esis farmisto. De 1879 Henry esis employata kom mashinisto, = pose kom injenioro. En 1896 il konstruktis ilua unesma su-propulsata vehilo= , la "Ford Quadricycle". Ilua fabrikerio la Motoro-Kompanio di Ford fondesi= s en Detroit en 1903. En 1908 la unesma veturo Model T departis de la Ford-= fabrikerio; la modelo esis amasale produktata sur movanta asemblo-linei. Ka= nde produktado di Model T cesis en 1927, plu kam 15 milion veturi esis fabr= ikita. 1971. La lunala modulo di Apollo 15 atingis la surfaco di la luno. L= a misiono komencis ye 26 julio, kande la spaco-navo portanta David Scott, J= ames Irwin ed Alfred Worden esis lansata. Dum ke Worden esis en orbito cirk= um la luno, Scott ed Irwin pasis tri dii ye la surfaco. La misiono esis la = unesma dum qua lunala vehilo esis utiligata; li kovris 27,9 km en ca vehilo= . Dum tri exkursi, li pasis entote 18,5 hori exter la lunala modulo e kolek= tis 77 kg de specimeni. Kordiale DGW ------=_Part_12117948_755579180.14698797743421 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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Ye ca dio, 30 julio...

1756. 30 km sude de Sankt Peterburg en Rusia, la Yekaterina p= alaco esis prizentata ad Imperiestrino Yelizaveta. Ol esis la somerala rezi= deyo di la Cari, originale konstruktita por Imperiestrino Yekaterina la 1ma= , matro di Yelizaveta. En 1752 Yelizaveta demandis de sua arkitekto nova st= rukturo, plu granda ed en rokoko-stilo. Olua longeso esis 325 metri, e la f= asado esis ornata per plu kam 100 kg de oro.

1863. En Michigan, Usa, la entraprezisto Henry Ford naskis. I= lua patro esis farmisto. De 1879 Henry esis employata kom mashinisto, pose = kom injenioro. En 1896 il konstruktis ilua unesma su-propulsata vehilo, la = "Ford Quadricycle". Ilua fabrikerio la Motoro-Kompanio di Ford fondesis en = Detroit en 1903. En 1908 la unesma veturo Model T departis de la Ford-fabri= kerio; la modelo esis amasale produktata sur movanta asemblo-linei. Kande p= roduktado di Model T cesis en 1927, plu kam 15 milion veturi esis fabrikita= .

1971. La lunala m= odulo di Apollo 15 atingis la surfaco di la luno. La misiono komencis ye 26= julio, kande la spaco-navo portanta David Scott, James Irwin ed Alfred Wor= den esis lansata. Dum ke Worden esis en orbito cirkum la luno, Scott ed Irw= in pasis tri dii ye la surfaco. La misiono esis la unesma dum qua lunala ve= hilo esis utiligata; li kovris 27,9 km en ca vehilo. Dum tri exkursi, li pa= sis entote 18,5 hori exter la lunala modulo e kolektis 77 kg de specimeni.<= /div>

Kordial= e DGW
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Ho, yes, la futbal-championesko di P= ortugal esis un del maxim granda joyi en mea tota vivo. Pos tanta decepti t= o tandem eventis! Me spektis la finalo en mea koqueyo, ube stacas mikra anc= iena *televizoro quan me multe prizas. Kande =C3=89der facis ta miraklatra = golo, me rapide jetis me adsur la granita planko dil granda koqueyala tablo= (quan me vakuigabis quik pos la fino dil normala tempo, quaze expektante t= ala instanto) e, jacante surventre sur la tablo, me komencis longe e laute = klamar "goooolo!" quale freneziiko, dum baraktar per la brakii e gambi... = Per la suba ligilo on povos askoltar sat longa *radiofonala naraco pri la g= olo da =C3=89der. Mem se on ne komprenas omna vorti, ol esas certe askoltin= da. Yen: http://www.rtp.pt/noticias/euro-2016/o-golo-de-eder-contra-franca= -na-antena1_a932699 2016-07-30 19:06 GMT+01:00 qualevistandas@... [I= doCatalaOccitan] < IdoCatalaOccitan@yahoogroups.com>: > > > Kara Gon=C3=A7= alo: > Me multe joyas pri tua maxim recenta blogajo, pos long absenteso. Me= > dankas e gratulas tu pro tua anciena, ma sam-tempe nova ed splendida, ve= rko > poema. Altra-latere, me havas por tu plusa gratuli, nam me pensis tre= > aparte pri tu, kande l' futbal-esquado di tua karega lando, Portugal, > = divenis unesma-foye championo di Europa. Maxim sincera gratuli, amiko! > > = (Partaka) > > > --94eb2c14978410961f0538eb38a5 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Kara Partaka,

Danko pro tua = gratuli!

Ho, yes, la futbal-championesko di Portug= al esis un del maxim granda joyi en mea tota vivo. Pos tanta decepti to tan= dem eventis! Me spektis la finalo en mea koqueyo, ube stacas mikra anciena = *televizoro quan me multe prizas. Kande =C3=89der facis ta miraklatra golo,= me rapide jetis me adsur la granita planko dil granda koqueyala tablo (qua= n me vakuigabis quik pos la fino dil normala tempo, quaze expektante tala i= nstanto) e, jacante surventre sur la tablo, me komencis longe e laute klama= r "goooolo!" quale freneziiko, dum baraktar per la brakii e gambi= ...

Per la suba ligilo on povos askoltar sat longa= *radiofonala naraco pri la golo da =C3=89der. Mem se on ne komprenas omna = vorti, ol esas certe askoltinda. Yen: =C2=A0

>


2016-07-30 19:06 GMT+01:00 qualevistandas@... [IdoCatalaOcci= tan] <IdoCatalaOccitan@yahoogroups.com>:
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Kara Gon=C3=A7alo:=C2=A0

Me multe joyas pri tua maxim recenta= blogajo, pos long absenteso. Me dankas e gratulas tu pro tua anciena, ma s= am-tempe nova ed splendida, verko poema. Altra-latere, me havas por tu plus= a gratuli, nam me pensis tre aparte pri tu, kande l' futbal-esquado di = tua karega lando, Portugal, divenis unesma-foye championo di Europa. Maxim = sincera gratuli, amiko!=C2=A0

=C2=A0(Partaka)


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X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Jul 2016 12:02:19.0575 (UTC) FILETIME=[63799470:01D1EB23] Subject: Frazo da Descartes X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=211083072; y=1vtQSq72MTvbiTSFqkqqRDi8T899RMVn7XwSOgaoOhBU7Brnf4JaDOw X-Yahoo-Profile: idovalencia From: Che Partaka --_000_VI1PR0201MB222198A959654DBA2A16044ABDD030VI1PR0201MB2221_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable "En la mondo esas nulo repartisita plu equitatoze kam la raciono: omnu konv= inkesas havar sat multa." (Descartes) (Partaka) --_000_VI1PR0201MB222198A959654DBA2A16044ABDD030VI1PR0201MB2221_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

"En la mondo esas nulo repartisita plu equitat= oze kam la raciono: omnu konvinkesas havar sat multa." (Descartes)&nbs= p;


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"Esar= util a nulu equivalas valorar nulo." (Descartes) 


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Kara amiki,

me jus kreis= blogo nur pri la cayara Ido Renkontro en Valencia. Ibe, vi povos regardar = fotografuri e lektar kelke pri to quo eventos en Valencia dum quar dii, se = la wi-fi e nia komputili, quale me dicis en la blogo bone funcionas. <= /div>

Ibe anke vi p= ovos lektar la (provizora) programo dil Ido Renkontro. Irga chanjo anunceso= s al partoprenanti.

Anke vi povos sendar mesajo-saluto al asistanti tra la blogo kom k= omenti, se vi deziras lo.

Me savas ke la papero-programo facita en blua-Ido havas kelka = erori, (18ma - 21(?) agosto 2016). 


Amikala saluti!

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X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Aug 2016 15:26:31.0287 (UTC) FILETIME=[694DB870:01D1ED9B] Subject: Frazo da Descartes X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=211083072; y=AR-PUXC2k1SSJZxmntAkpUKqmj51tvP3dvthBoxPDzAHVTEHX4u7JDQ X-Yahoo-Profile: idovalencia From: Che Partaka --_000_VI1PR0201MB2221F6749E98E5D991AF2BBB4DD060VI1PR0201MB2221_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable "Ni posedas nulo quo esas integre nia, ecepte nia pensi." (Descartes) (P= artaka) --_000_VI1PR0201MB2221F6749E98E5D991AF2BBB4DD060VI1PR0201MB2221_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

"Ni posedas nulo quo esas integre nia, ecepte = nia pensi." (Descartes) 

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X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Aug 2016 13:31:02.0536 (UTC) FILETIME=[9C45B880:01D1EF1D] Subject: Frazo da Descartes X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=211083072; y=xbkXK2hYohXPud8hmyCLpJy5gg3Upwr2T_1lNzZKUVjniWkUsznaWWg X-Yahoo-Profile: idovalencia From: Che Partaka --_000_VI1PR0201MB2221FDE127721EF323EF54462DD180VI1PR0201MB2221_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable "Omno komplexa povas dividesar en parti simpla." (Descartes) (Partaka) --_000_VI1PR0201MB2221FDE127721EF323EF54462DD180VI1PR0201MB2221_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Aug 2016 11:10:50.0892 (UTC) FILETIME=[30F474C0:01D1EFD3] Subject: Frazo da Descartes X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=211083072; y=TGEwyAd4GCvKoKeU_-9bHORruOem4VdwDcv8MrLkN9y7d32ZmfFkRfU X-Yahoo-Profile: idovalencia From: Che Partaka --_000_VI1PR0201MB22213F41BD45B979C5982335EDD180VI1PR0201MB2221_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable "Vivar sen filozofiar es havar la okuli klozita, sen probar apertar oli irg= a-tempe." (Descartes) (Partaka) --_000_VI1PR0201MB22213F41BD45B979C5982335EDD180VI1PR0201MB2221_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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Franz = la 2ma abdikis kom Imperiestro di la Santa Romana Imperio, ed il dissolvis = la imperio. Il naskis en 1768 e divenis imperiestro en 1792. La abdiko di 1= 806 sequis vinkeso da Napol=C3=A9on la 1ma ye la batalio di Austerlitz, e l= a posa Kontrato di Pressburg en qua Austria perdis teritorio. De 1806 il re= gnis kon Imperiesto di la Austriana Imperio. 1928. En Pittsburgh, Pensilvan= ia Usa, la artisto Andy Warhol naskis, filiulo di Ondrej Warhola e spozino = Julia, originale de nuntempa Slovakia. Ilua frua kariero esis kom komercala= artisto. Plu tarde ilua verki esis montrata ye expozeyi; en la 1960-yardek= o il montris sua pikturi di stanizita bidoni de supo, boteli de Coca-Cola, = famoza personi ed altra subjekti. Il esis grave vundita ye ocido-atento en = 1968, quo influis ilua posa artala kariero. 2012. Curiosity, vehilo por exp= lorar Marso, atingis, per spaconavo, la surfaco di la planeto. La navo esis= lansata de Tero ye 26 di novembro 2011. La skopi di la misiono esis studia= r la klimato e geologio di Marso, e determinar ka la planeto irgatempe povi= s suportar vivo. La vehilo havas longeso de 2,9 m e larjeso de 2,7 m, e pov= as voyajar ye rapideso de 90 m per horo; ol portas kameri, radiado-trovilo,= specimeno-analizilo ed altra mezurili. Ye 29 agosto la vehilo komencis exk= ursar; depose ol multe pluse voyajis e facis diversa analizado di la tereno= . Kordiale DGW ------=_Part_17979970_72041875.14705005775097 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
(Da DGW, che l' forum= o Ido-listo) 

Ye ca dio, 6 agosto...

1806. Franz la 2ma abdikis kom Imperiestro di la Sant= a Romana Imperio, ed il dissolvis la imperio. Il naskis en 1768 e divenis i= mperiestro en 1792. La abdiko di 1806 sequis vinkeso da Napol=C3=A9on la 1m= a ye la batalio di Austerlitz, e la posa Kontrato di Pressburg en qua Austr= ia perdis teritorio. De 1806 il regnis kon Imperiesto di la Austriana Imper= io.

1928. En Pittsburgh, Pensilvani= a Usa, la artisto Andy Warhol naskis, filiulo di Ondrej Warhola e spozino J= ulia, originale de nuntempa Slovakia. Ilua frua kariero esis kom komercala = artisto. Plu tarde ilua verki esis montrata ye expozeyi; en la 1960-yardeko= il montris sua pikturi di stanizita bidoni de supo, boteli de Coca-Cola, f= amoza personi ed altra subjekti. Il esis grave vundita ye ocido-atento en 1= 968, quo influis ilua posa artala kariero.

2012. Curiosity, vehilo por explorar Marso, atingis, pe= r spaconavo, la surfaco di la planeto. La navo esis lansata de Tero ye 26 d= i novembro 2011. La skopi di la misiono esis studiar la klimato e geologio = di Marso, e determinar ka la planeto irgatempe povis suportar vivo. La vehi= lo havas longeso de 2,9 m e larjeso de 2,7 m, e povas voyajar ye rapideso d= e 90 m per horo; ol portas kameri, radiado-trovilo, specimeno-analizilo ed = altra mezurili. Ye 29 agosto la vehilo komencis exkursar; depose ol multe p= luse voyajis e facis diversa analizado di la tereno.
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Kordiale DGW
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X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Aug 2016 16:15:52.0140 (UTC) FILETIME=[F7C308C0:01D1F0C6] Subject: Frazo da Descartes X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=211083072; y=vx_HCpvjqMLGSSryRQwre0qRACNJOoaDV7ksrtWQ5fWy1lXx41Nz2m8 X-Yahoo-Profile: idovalencia From: Che Partaka --_000_VI1PR0201MB222102C2B84731F08188D550ADD1A0VI1PR0201MB2221_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable "Mala libri provokas kustumachi, e kustumachi provokas bona libri." (Descar= tes) (Partaka) --_000_VI1PR0201MB222102C2B84731F08188D550ADD1A0VI1PR0201MB2221_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

"Mala libri provokas kustumachi, e kustumachi = provokas bona libri." (Descartes) 

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X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Aug 2016 16:16:09.0628 (UTC) FILETIME=[2C993DC0:01D1F190] Subject: Frazo da Quevedo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=211083072; y=Ve0k6C9PYq3N5EslTB1qPmCnq4pgrONCW2sayeKSHCZn-QAMYWxWQo4 X-Yahoo-Profile: idovalencia From: Che Partaka --_000_VI1PR0201MB2221935E1794CBE4766464428DD1B0VI1PR0201MB2221_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable "Per kredar lo maxim mala, on preske sempre divinas." (Quevedo) (Partaka= ) --_000_VI1PR0201MB2221935E1794CBE4766464428DD1B0VI1PR0201MB2221_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

"Per kredar lo maxim mala, on preske sempre di= vinas." (Quevedo) 

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La pagino FB dil romano Oc havas plu kam 20.000 sequanti.

http://www.jornalet.com/nova/7200/la-pagina-facebook-del-roman-oca-despassat-los-20000-seguidors

Me regretas ke la linguo Okcitana ne divenis la linguo komuna di la landi parolante romananida idiomo.

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"Kand= e avaro dicas havar trezoro, enkarcerigito dicas: vu havez karcero!" (= Quevedo) 

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X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Aug 2016 05:30:21.0720 (UTC) FILETIME=[49DF3180:01D1F2C8] Subject: Frazo da Quevedo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=211083072; y=T23P9MrOgbywBNz9zC20mhL9I1WaOWL8kwBRAEvpQJqN_JOJrvkBTXc X-Yahoo-Profile: idovalencia From: Che Partaka --_000_VI1PR0201MB22215E68A50229D9D2EFBDD30DD1D0VI1PR0201MB2221_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable "Ube existas poka yusteso esas danjeroza esar justa." (Quevedo) (Partaka= ) --_000_VI1PR0201MB22215E68A50229D9D2EFBDD30DD1D0VI1PR0201MB2221_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

"Ube = existas poka yusteso esas danjeroza esar justa." (Quevedo) 


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[IdoCatalaOccit= an] < IdoCatalaOccitan@yahoogroups.com>: > > > Tamen, kara Gon=C3=A7alo, e= sas realajo, ke forsan plu kam duimo del Idistaro > volas nula relato kun "= Facebook". Se "Yahoo-grupi" falius ula-die, anke > forsan, ni omna povus ko= incidar en Ido-forumo "phpBB" simil ad olta, quan > me prizentis per ligilo= . Ni esez optimista, samideano! Ido vivez! > > (Partaka) > > > --001a1143e07ccce01f0539bd19d3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Kara Partaka, malgre lo dicita en mea antea mesajo, me esa= s tre optimista pri Ido.

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Tamen, kara Gon=C3=A7alo, = esas realajo, ke forsan plu kam duimo del Idistaro volas nula relato kun &q= uot;Facebook". Se "Yahoo-grupi" falius ula-die, anke forsan,= ni omna povus koincidar en Ido-forumo "phpBB" simil ad olta, qua= n me prizentis per ligilo. Ni esez optimista, samideano! Ido vivez!=C2=A0


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Me prizas l´Idisti qui uzas Facebook. Ol ofras anke avantaji. Kontree me konjektas (e regretos) ne renkontror vi amba en Valencia. Standez bone Eberhard Von: Gonçalo Neves gneves64@... [IdoCatalaOccitan] Datum: 10.08.2016 22:00 > > > Kara Partaka, malgre lo dicita en mea antea mesajo, me esas tre > optimista pri Ido. > > 2016-08-10 20:10 GMT+01:00 qualevistandas@... > [IdoCatalaOccitan] > >: > > Tamen, kara Gonçalo, esas realajo, ke forsan plu kam duimo del > Idistaro volas nula relato kun "Facebook". Se "Yahoo-grupi" falius > ula-die, anke forsan, ni omna povus koincidar en Ido-forumo > "phpBB" simil ad olta, quan me prizentis per ligilo. Ni esez > optimista, samideano! Ido vivez! > > > (Partaka) > > > --------------66CE4D8C64057FB33181ADEA Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Kara  Partaka e Goncalo,

anke me esas optimista.
Me prizas l´Idisti qui uzas Facebook. Ol ofras anke avantaji.
Kontree me konjektas (e regretos) ne renkontror vi amba en Valencia.

Standez bone
Eberhard

Von: Gonçalo Neves gneves64@... [IdoCatalaOccitan]
Datum: 10.08.2016 22:00
Kara Partaka, malgre lo dicita en mea antea mesajo, me esas tre optimista pri Ido.

2016-08-10 20:10 GMT+01:00 qualevistandas@... [IdoCatalaOccitan] <IdoCatalaOccitan@yahoogroups.com>:
 

Tamen, kara Gonçalo, esas realajo, ke forsan plu kam duimo del Idistaro volas nula relato kun "Facebook". Se "Yahoo-grupi" falius ula-die, anke forsan, ni omna povus koincidar en Ido-forumo "phpBB" simil ad olta, quan me prizentis per ligilo. Ni esez optimista, samideano! Ido vivez! 


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Gratulo e danko pro vua diligenta laboro. (Me regretas ne rividar vu en Valencia) Standez bone ! 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Maxim kordiala saluti. JM :::-::: From: Eberhard Scholz eberhard.s= cholz@... [IdoCatalaOccitan] Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2016 9:39= AM To: idolisto@yahoogroups.com ; idocatalaoccitan@yahoogroups.com ; germa= nlinguaidist Moderator Subject: [IdoCatalaOccitan] KURIERO INTERNACIONA = Me skribis en forumi di Facebook: Kara sioro Martignon, ja du semani an= te nun me recevis vua kontenoza ed itre interesiva revuo KURIERO INTERNACI= ONA. Gratulo e danko pro vua diligenta laboro. (Me regretas ne rividar vu e= n Valencia) Standez bone ! Eberhard ------=_NextPart_000_0033_01D1F418.F3ABFF3A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =
Kara s-ro Scholz,
 
Me dankas vu pro vua laudo, nam ico esas tre kuraji= ganta a me.
Maxim kordiala saluti. JM :::-:::

Sent:<= /B> Thursday, August 11, 2016 9:39 AM
Subject: [IdoCatalaOccitan] KURIE= RO INTERNACIONA

 

Me skribis en forumi di Facebook= :

Kara sioro Martignon,
ja du semani ante nun me recevis vua kon= tenoza ed itre interesiva revuo
KURIERO INTERNACIONA.
Gratulo e dan= ko pro vua diligenta laboro. (Me regretas ne rividar vu en
Valencia)Standez bone !
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X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Aug 2016 10:51:05.0933 (UTC) FILETIME=[6D248FD0:01D1F487] Subject: Frazo da Quevedo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=211083072; y=DF6aUIllKPNCCcUV4WPRQWBP4ZfbiP-DBl20eL9gOG1Vbxe1lguxHtQ X-Yahoo-Profile: idovalencia From: Che Partaka --_000_VI1PR0201MB22216F2D7CEC3F10D3F6BBB07DD1F0VI1PR0201MB2221_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable "Amo esas fido e no cienco." (Quevedo) (Partaka) --_000_VI1PR0201MB22216F2D7CEC3F10D3F6BBB07DD1F0VI1PR0201MB2221_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

"Amo = esas fido e no cienco." (Quevedo) 


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X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Aug 2016 11:06:40.0664 (UTC) FILETIME=[C4B2F180:01D1F552] Subject: Frazo da Quevedo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=211083072; y=pqmg1fThTnxHcb9wwmV5Qllzfh4JjcH8LIOimGj4Rcn3uuotAV6Nvzc X-Yahoo-Profile: idovalencia From: Che Partaka --_000_VI1PR0201MB2221DFD34F1A0C3AD04D0CC52DD100VI1PR0201MB2221_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable "Eceso es la veneno di raciono." (Quevedo) (Partaka) --_000_VI1PR0201MB2221DFD34F1A0C3AD04D0CC52DD100VI1PR0201MB2221_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

"Eces= o es la veneno di raciono." (Quevedo) 

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X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Aug 2016 12:00:19.0608 (UTC) FILETIME=[6DC09180:01D1F623] Subject: Frazo da Quevedo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=211083072; y=cWPyv0zHxnzmHEEoPPSm5ajekP1aCBatZiDE5yp56FBfjoJTOKTcs-o X-Yahoo-Profile: idovalencia From: Che Partaka --_000_VI1PR0201MB22212E2A034C2CCCBAD98EEC9DD110VI1PR0201MB2221_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable "La richo manjas, la povro su nutras." (Quevedo) (Partaka) --_000_VI1PR0201MB22212E2A034C2CCCBAD98EEC9DD110VI1PR0201MB2221_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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Sun, 14 Aug 2016 16:36:33 +0000 To: "idocatalaoccitan@yahoogroups.com" Thread-Topic: Kelka korektiguri Thread-Index: AQHR9khvvt5uH/gn7EevOiDJJDJW1g== Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2016 16:36:33 +0000 Message-ID: Accept-Language: es-ES, en-US Content-Language: es-ES X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: authentication-results: spf=softfail (sender IP is 10.152.0.54) smtp.mailfrom=hotmail.com; yahoogroups.com; dkim=none (message not signed) header.d=none;yahoogroups.com; dmarc=fail action=none header.from=hotmail.com; X-received-spf: SoftFail (protection.outlook.com: domain of transitioning hotmail.com discourages use of 10.152.0.54 as permitted sender) x-tmn: [jm8PeaYIfs/UqEeXRJMElDD+ovYGfFAz] x-eopattributedmessage: 0 x-forefront-antispam-report: CIP:10.152.0.54;IPV:NLI;CTRY:;EFV:NLI;SFV:NSPM;SFS:(10019020)(98900003);DIR:OUT;SFP:1102;SCL:1;SRVR:HE1EUR01HT137;H:VI1PR0201MB2221.eurprd02.prod.outlook.com;FPR:;SPF:None;LANG:; x-microsoft-exchange-diagnostics: 1;HE1EUR01HT137;6:TxI4JYR7G2ApC2Ro43A3guFCBsc3+0VfEQbgrb6bjcKebD8s5GHe3paNtXSUMbtIqiqt2o3K+7ncp5d9xrplJ1DbrPV4zndKuqe45oF7B/kHPreS6CmRYFR6S8JSR4e9vXsotKvKvOAW0G3vKAhFNLdL5q9ThsOsHxx9MoFOkaqo9E06bQizbN/CMn7SNpkVds5hNja+Grf1iET0jOxnIbA45c+VVW0sZNyyFTlWpvWHXN8UyWI79hJPvoxdv348F0aosAlbxvqKPeA+7z2FEL+I17ydpAwDT2KcajGLpM8uuunSJ+gFk9z/Qgoy6qsk;5:SkQ4GdAFZ0h9HcpNOYmJV9VoZkciKVfJEl7AhZdsmbXiqydcHUvz4U0sl2tJJ7D5hIUAUANi7jRhZbd21gDnE/En6+fuAmud9kD8ImopmtNr1gvzn5/Uq4nI3VhhHRux;24:dvk6WR9tAP1HPkspibSvdzb/mIFkang8WHQuW/llPr96bzduhIc8d64+QHc4+AjKXWQQtqIX0DAJBloBlfL+KiC3e6wPTIcrDFaqFeF1i/w=;7:5vA3HuEtKtv/3PTdVE0EZPFMn6M0Z4nU9mTtbhnIX1RWcdhks6F5K3UQ/UbTQJD/3VhPwguTHuuRQwrk2mct2XZJ0d7ivsNsooPO67qRro3OA8zFX7Rs/Fdw6AWFPI90hOJEtCNODF8fkOfOZVqNeOt33Fv3metzkn2tYOWYG1gZQDJ5Vfvdwn6+e6qcfrkGUVSl1DjZ0A76N2gXGL2isL8EzKeC1e8GlLNoZq7QF6g= x-ms-office365-filtering-correlation-id: e793ff02-d7d2-4105-dfb4-08d3c4612710 x-microsoft-antispam: UriScan:;BCL:0;PCL:0;RULEID:(1601124038)(1601125047);SRVR:HE1EUR01HT137; 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X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Aug 2016 16:36:47.0682 (UTC) FILETIME=[0D03CA20:01D1F64A] Subject: Kelka korektiguri X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=211083072; y=e3Z_tS-7EvHixJwhyGGaA_E6w14om0kIaypju1zLOTAONuoseidSBjU X-Yahoo-Profile: idovalencia From: Che Partaka --_000_VI1PR0201MB2221D869C005B5071709899F7DD110VI1PR0201MB2221_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Respektinda samideani: Yen kelka plusa korektiguri e sugesti. - neglekta= s -> neglijas (verbo: neglij.ar) - ajetivi -> aDjektivi (adjektiv.o) - in= jeniero -> injeniOro (injenior.o) - imaji qui me sendabis -> imaji quiN *m= e* sendabis (objekto avan subjekto) - interviudo -> interviuVo (interviuv.= ar, interviuv.o) - omno qua existis (omno quO existis (omnO quO) - defend= os -> defenSos (verbo: defens.ar) - Romania -> RUmania (Rumani.a) - pro s= e... -> pro KE se... (pro ke) - desbordesus -> exter-fluus (MIE: Me Ipsa E= roris) Voluntez pardonar mea posibla erori, e til venonta komuniko! * = * * * * * * * p a r t a k a * * * * * * * * --_000_VI1PR0201MB2221D869C005B5071709899F7DD110VI1PR0201MB2221_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Respekti= nda samideani: 

Yen kelka plusa korektiguri e s= ugesti. 


- neglekt= as -> neglijas (verbo: neglij.ar) 

- ajetivi= -> aDjektivi (adjektiv.o) 

- injeniero ->= ; injeniOro (injenior.o) 

- imaji qui me sendab= is -> imaji quiN *me* sendabis (objekto avan subjekto) <= /span>

- interviudo -> interviuVo (interviuv.ar, interviuv.o) =

- omno qua existis (omno quO existis (omnO quO)&nb= sp;

- defendos -> defenSos (verbo: defens.ar)&nbs= p;

- Romania -> RUmania (Rumani.a) 

- pro se... -> pro KE se... (pro ke) 

- desbordesus -> exter-fluus (MIE: Me Ipsa Eroris) 


Voluntez pardonar mea posibla= erori, e til venonta komuniko! 



* * * * * * * * 

p a r t a k a 

* * * * * * * *&n= bsp;

 




<= p>


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X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Aug 2016 06:25:04.0585 (UTC) FILETIME=[C2AD6390:01D1F6BD] Subject: Frazo da Quevedo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=211083072; y=n948hNik0ScH3tIIjIgflGJbQzdm4CADcIQQXYTwjV3DeoN_puZJlOE X-Yahoo-Profile: idovalencia From: Che Partaka --_000_VI1PR0201MB2221D62B487419D10F85DCC7FDD120VI1PR0201MB2221_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable "Kurajozo timas adverso; poltrono timas sua propra timo." (Quevedo) (Par= taka) --_000_VI1PR0201MB2221D62B487419D10F85DCC7FDD120VI1PR0201MB2221_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

"Kura= jozo timas adverso; poltrono timas sua propra timo." (Quevedo) 


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Kar amiki,
 
Me prizentas a vi mea nova blogo =E2=80=9CLinguala noti=E2= =80=9D, en qua me publikigos artikli nur pri linguala temi. Ol ne remplasos= nek suplantos mea tilnuna blogo =E2=80=9CLa blua plumo=E2=80=9D, ube duros= aparar artikli pri temi kultural e literatural, ma ne lingual.
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Ica unesma artiklo, kelke filozofiala, esas nura prizento dil motiv= i e skopo di la nova blogo. Tre balde publikigesos la duesma artiklo (ja pr= onta, nun duesmafoye revizata), ed olca, same kam le sequanta, traktos temo= pure linguala, sat detaloze, forsan interesive.
 
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X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Aug 2016 06:00:34.0983 (UTC) FILETIME=[8123AB70:01D1F783] Subject: Frazo da Quevedo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=211083072; y=P3WVieYqXoWVhhg1Ki-ErRjvLKftg4XGTDRctQNyTTeZFhlNy-ih1DY X-Yahoo-Profile: idovalencia From: Che Partaka --_000_VI1PR0201MB2221C0B932AA403ACCDCA77A7DD130VI1PR0201MB2221_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable "La superbeso nul-tempe decensas de ube ol acensas, ma sempre falas de ube = ol acensis." (Quevedo) (Partaka) --_000_VI1PR0201MB2221C0B932AA403ACCDCA77A7DD130VI1PR0201MB2221_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Aug 2016 05:20:44.0019 (UTC) FILETIME=[44D70430:01D1F910] Subject: Frazo da Quevedo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=211083072; y=L6-nTk3sPIMgmorjCwj8IojSGo60cj_ilJgpiYudaUsQ_5VW9YdaaBM X-Yahoo-Profile: idovalencia From: Che Partaka --_000_VI1PR0201MB22213AA340ED98A1AB918EE64DD150VI1PR0201MB2221_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable "Es fortunozo ne ta a qua la fortuno ne povas donar pluo, ma ta de qua ol p= ovas deprenar nulo." (Quevedo) (Partaka) --_000_VI1PR0201MB22213AA340ED98A1AB918EE64DD150VI1PR0201MB2221_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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Ka tu esas k= antero o mem kantisto? 2016-08-18 11:45 GMT+01:00 qualevistandas@... = [IdoCatalaOccitan] < IdoCatalaOccitan@yahoogroups.com>: > > > Existas anci= ena (e maxim specal) kansono tre konocata dal Valenciani. Ol > esas aparte = impresanta pro sua muziko e paroli. Nun-tempe, on ne plus facas > tal kanso= ni. Ol esas del tempo, kande permisesis kantar nur en la > Kastiliana, ma, = malgre to, la tri refreni dil kansono esas en la > Valenciana. De multa tem= po ante nun, ke me deziras tradukar aden Ido la > texto di tal kansono por = ke vi omna povez juar ol; tamen, me sempre timabas > aceptar tal defio pro = lua difikulteso. Nu, hodie me profitas ica mesajo por > publike aceptar la = kompromiso tradukar "La maredeueta" (La Deo-matreto) tam > balde kam lo eso= s posibla. Dume, voluntez spektar e juar plu moderna e > kurta versiono dil= kansono, qua pleesas da koro Valenciana. 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Kara Partaka, ku tu nur tradukos ta kansono od anke kantos= ol? Ka tu esas kantero o mem kantisto?

2016-08-18 11:45 GMT+01:00 qualevistandas@... [IdoCatalaOccitan] <IdoCatalaOccitan@yahoogroups.com>:
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Ex= istas anciena (e maxim specal) kansono tre konocata dal Valenciani. Ol esas= aparte impresanta pro sua muziko e paroli. Nun-tempe, on ne plus facas tal= kansoni. Ol esas del tempo, kande permisesis kantar nur en la Kastiliana, = ma, malgre to, la tri refreni dil kansono esas en la Valenciana. De multa t= empo ante nun, ke me deziras tradukar aden Ido la texto di tal kansono por = ke vi omna povez juar ol; tamen, me sempre timabas aceptar tal defio pro lu= a difikulteso. Nu, hodie me profitas ica mesajo por publike aceptar la komp= romiso tradukar "La maredeueta" (La Deo-matreto) tam balde kam lo= esos posibla. Dume, voluntez spektar e juar plu moderna e kurta versiono d= il kansono, qua pleesas da koro Valenciana. (PTK)=C2=A0

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Erste nun me remarkis lo! La expliko esas sim= pla. Me komencis skribar unesme l'artiklo pri la pronunco di j e g e kande = me finis ol, me gardis ol kom klado e ne publikigis ol, nam me volis publik= igar unesme l'artiklo pri la filologo, por ke olca esez la unesma en la ser= io. Kande me finis olca, me ya publikigis ol unesme, e nur pose l'altra, ma= la blogala koboldo, segun semblo, rikonocante la klado kom plu frua skribu= ro, ordinis la du artikli kontre mea deziro (e kontre la reala ordino di pu= blikigo!). Por korekte riordinar l'artikli, me mustus efacar la plu longa a= rtiklo e ripublikigar ol. Tamen me ne agos lo, pro ke la blogala metodo ins= ertar e titulizar l'imaji esas tote manuala e tro tempivora... 2016-08-18 = 6:45 GMT+01:00 qualevistandas@... [IdoCatalaOccitan] < IdoCatalaOccita= n@yahoogroups.com>: > > > Amiko Gon=C3=A7alo: > Unesme, me volunte tun dan= kas e gratulas pro tua maxim nova blogo ed > interesiva recenta blogaji pri= lingua. E nur pose, quankam me savas preske > nulo pri blogo-funcioni, semb= las a me ke tua lingual blogo prizentas > anomalajo, nome tua maxim recenta= blogajo aparas en la parto infra, vice en > la parto supra. Me konjektas, = ke to produktesas pro ke tua unesma artiklo > datizesis ye l' 15ma, e do po= se kam la duesma (ye l' 14ma). Chao! > > (Partaka) > > > --001a114403fafa7e6f053a623258 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Danko pro la averto, Partaka! Erste = nun me remarkis lo! La expliko esas simpla. Me komencis skribar unesme l= 9;artiklo pri la pronunco di j e g e kande me finis ol, me gardis ol kom kl= ado e ne publikigis ol, nam me volis publikigar unesme l'artiklo pri la= filologo, por ke olca esez la unesma en la serio. Kande me finis olca, me = ya publikigis ol unesme, e nur pose l'altra, ma la blogala koboldo, seg= un semblo, rikonocante la klado kom plu frua skriburo, ordinis la du artikl= i kontre mea deziro (e kontre la reala ordino di publikigo!). Por korekte r= iordinar l'artikli, me mustus efacar la plu longa artiklo e ripublikiga= r ol. Tamen me ne agos lo, pro ke la blogala metodo insertar e titulizar l&= #39;imaji esas tote manuala e tro tempivora...

2016-08-18 6:45 GMT+01:00 qualevistandas@... [IdoCatala= Occitan] <IdoCatalaOccitan@yahoogroups.com>:<= br>
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Unesme, me volunte tun dankas e= gratulas pro tua maxim nova blogo ed interesiva recenta blogaji prilingua.= E nur pose, quankam me savas preske nulo pri blogo-funcioni, semblas a me = ke tua lingual blogo prizentas anomalajo, nome tua maxim recenta blogajo ap= aras en la parto infra, vice en la parto supra. Me konjektas, ke to produkt= esas pro ke tua unesma artiklo datizesis ye l' 15ma, e do pose kam la d= uesma (ye l' 14ma). Chao!=C2=A0

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Ka tu povus igar kantebla anke ca poem= o, quan tu certe konocas? Tradukuro regretinde senrima, e certe plubonigend= a: *Apud la ravino Algadins* Apud la ravino Algadins l=E2=80=99oranji= eri odoras tante dolce, ke por aromizar l=E2=80=99aero ne esas en la mond= o plu bon gardeni. Yen ibe farmdomo, ed olca konservas amata memoraji de = mea infantevo; pro li me havas l=E2=80=99anmo kaptita apud la ravino Alga= dins. Apud la ravino Algadins, erektas su al cielo quar palmieri; la v= ento, batante per ali lejera, movas la plumaro e tenua trunki. Sur li, mi= li de paseri bruise la kordio sorcas. Qua povas audar lia siflado apud l= a ravino Algadins! Apud la ravino Algadins l=E2=80=99aquo kuranta inund= as l=E2=80=99agri; en sua speguli la suno fulguras, ed arachas del rizo v= erdatra fili. Sonas la tiktako en la mueleyi; e lor sunkusho chasisti hab= ila iras al nesti di anadi sovaja apud la ravino Algadins. Apud la rav= ino Algadins movos morge la palmin l=E2=80=99aero, a lu la gardeni donos = l=E2=80=99odoro, e la paseri la kanti. La farmdomo morge gardos interne = memoraji dolca ed imaji bel; me ne plus povos juar li apud la ravino Algad= ins! 2016-08-18 12:25 GMT+01:00 qualevistandas@... [IdoCatalaOccitan= ] < IdoCatalaOccitan@yahoogroups.com>: > > > Me ya esas nek kantisto nek k= antero, kara Gon=C3=A7alo. Me volas nur tradukar > aden Ido la paroli dil k= ansono. Tamen, la timo e difikulteso quin me > aludas, relatas ne nur la lo= ngeso dil texto, ma anke certena vorti aparte > anciena. E yes, tu kelke di= vinas mea intenco ne nur tradukar la texto dil > kansono, ma anke agar per = maniero, ke ol povez kantesar. Plusa difikultajo. > (PTK) > > --94eb2c18fcdc72e3ef053a61faf1 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Nu, Partaka, yen plusa = defio por tu. Ka tu povus igar kantebla anke ca poemo, quan tu certe konoca= s? Tradukuro regretinde senrima, e certe plubonigenda:


Apud la ravino Algadins

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Ap= ud la ravino Algadins

l= =E2=80=99oranjieri odoras tante dolce,

ke por aromizar l=E2=80=99aero ne esas

en la mondo plu bon gardeni.

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Yen ibe farmdomo, ed olca konservas<= /span>

amata memoraji de mea infantevo;=

pro li me havas l=E2=80= =99anmo kaptita

apud la r= avino Algadins.

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Apud la ravino Algadins,

erektas su al cielo quar pa= lmieri;

la vento, batante= per ali lejera,

movas la= plumaro e tenua trunki.

= Sur li, mili de paseri

br= uise la kordio sorcas.

Qu= a povas audar lia siflado

apud la ravino Algadins!

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Apud la ravino Al= gadins

l=E2=80=99aquo kur= anta inundas l=E2=80=99agri;

en sua speguli la suno fulguras,

ed arachas del rizo verdatra fili.

Sonas la tiktako en la mueleyi;

=

e lor sunkusho chasisti habila

iras al nesti di anadi sovaja<= /span>

apud la ravino Algadins.<= /span>

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Apud la ravino Algadins

movos morge la palmin l=E2=80=99aero,

a lu la gardeni donos l=E2=80=99odoro= ,

e la paseri la kanti.

La farmdomo morge gardos i= nterne

memoraji dolca ed = imaji bel;

me ne plus pov= os juar li

apud la ravino Algadins!


2016-08-18 12:25 GMT+01:00 qu= alevistandas@... [IdoCatalaOccitan] <IdoCatalaOcc= itan@yahoogroups.com>:
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Me ya esas nek kantisto nek kantero, kara Gon=C3=A7alo. Me volas nur trad= ukar aden Ido la paroli dil kansono. Tamen, la timo e difikulteso quin me a= ludas, relatas ne nur la longeso dil texto, ma anke certena vorti aparte an= ciena. E yes, tu kelke divinas mea intenco ne nur tradukar la texto dil kan= sono, ma anke agar per maniero, ke ol povez kantesar. Plusa difikultajo. (P= TK) =C2=A0

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En ica Ido renkontro esas Idisti ek = GERMANIANEDERLANDOCHINIASUEDIABULGARIAFRANCIARUSIAHISPANIA Yen la vera util= eso di nia linguo! Homi di diversa landi interkomprenas su per komuna ed in= ternacionala linguo. Hodie, anke ni recevis la vizito di Esperantista Valen= ciana.=C2=A0 Amikala saluti! ------=_Part_27988009_1506198846.14716033661860 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Kar amiki di la Linguo Internaciona Ido,

pos la duesma kunveno (preske triemsa, pro ke anke ni havi= s noktala konversado) me skribas kurta mesajo por salutar vi e dicar ke non= personi ek non diferanta landi parolas e interkomprenas per nia komuna e f= acila linguo.

En ica Ido renkontro esas Idisti ek

GERMANIA
NEDERLANDO
CHINIA
SUEDIA
BULGARIA
FRANCIA
RUSIA
HISPANIA

Yen la vera utileso di nia linguo! Homi d= i diversa landi interkomprenas su per komuna ed internacionala linguo. Hodi= e, anke ni recevis la vizito di Esperantista Valenciana. 

Amikala saluti!
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Juez= Ido! E ne obliviez publikigar fotografuri pri la renkontro. Amikale, Gon= =C3=A7alo 2016-08-19 11:47 GMT+01:00 Antonio Mart=C3=ADnez hispanahirundo@= yahoo.es [IdoCatalaOccitan] : > > > Kar = amiki di la Linguo Internaciona Ido, > > pos la duesma kunveno (preske trie= msa, pro ke anke ni havis noktala > konversado) me skribas kurta mesajo por= salutar vi e dicar ke non personi > ek non diferanta landi parolas e inter= komprenas per nia komuna e facila > linguo. > > En ica Ido renkontro esas I= disti ek > > GERMANIA > NEDERLANDO > CHINIA > SUEDIA > BULGARIA > FRANCIA >= RUSIA > HISPANIA > > Yen la vera utileso di nia linguo! Homi di diversa la= ndi interkomprenas su > per komuna ed internacionala linguo. Hodie, anke ni= recevis la vizito di > Esperantista Valenciana. > > Amikala saluti! > > >= --001a1143ad7ccedf10053a6cbcfd Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Kordiala saluto ad omna partoprenanti en la Ido-renkontro = en Valencia! Juez Ido! E ne obliviez publikigar fotografuri pri la renkontr= o.

Amikale,

Gon=C3=A7alo
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2016-08-19 1= 1:47 GMT+01:00 Antonio Mart=C3=ADnez hispanahirundo@... [IdoCatalaOccitan] <<= a href=3D"mailto:IdoCatalaOccitan@yahoogroups.com" target=3D"_blank">IdoCat= alaOccitan@yahoogroups.com>:
=C2=A0<= /span>

Kar amiki di = la Linguo Internaciona Ido,

pos la due= sma kunveno (preske triemsa, pro ke anke ni havis noktala konversado) me sk= ribas kurta mesajo por salutar vi e dicar ke non personi ek non diferanta l= andi parolas e interkomprenas per nia komuna e facila linguo.

En ica Ido renkontro esas Idisti ek
=
GERMANIA
NEDERLANDO
CHINIA<= /div>
SUEDIA
BULGARIA
FRANCIA
RUSIA
HISPANIA=

Yen la vera utileso di ni= a linguo! Homi di diversa landi interkomprenas su per komuna ed internacion= ala linguo. Hodie, anke ni recevis la vizito di Esperantista Valenciana.=C2= =A0

Amikala saluti!
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Kelka fotografuri ya esas en la blogo ;-) Nun ni depar= tas por vizitala vespero Enviado desde Yahoo Mail con Android El vie.= 19 19e ago. 19e 2016 a las 15:33, Gon=C3=A7alo Neves gneves64@... [I= doCatalaOccitan] escribi=C3=B3: =C2=A0 = Kordiala saluto ad omna partoprenanti en la Ido-renkontro en Valencia! = Juez Ido! E ne obliviez publikigar fotografuri pri la renkontro. Amikale, G= on=C3=A7alo 2016-08-19 11:47 GMT+01:00 Antonio Mart=C3=ADnez hispanahirundo= @... [IdoCatalaOccitan] : =C2=A0 = Kar amiki di la Linguo Internaciona Ido, pos la duesma kunveno (preske t= riemsa, pro ke anke ni havis noktala konversado) me skribas kurta mesajo po= r salutar vi e dicar ke non personi ek non diferanta landi parolas e interk= omprenas per nia komuna e facila linguo. En ica Ido renkontro esas Idisti e= k GERMANIANEDERLANDOCHINIASUEDIABULGARIAFRANCIARUSIAHISPANIA Yen la vera u= tileso di nia linguo! Homi di diversa landi interkomprenas su per komuna ed= internacionala linguo. 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Ke= lka fotografuri ya esas en la blogo ;-)

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Kordiala saluto ad omna partoprenanti en la Ido-renkontro en Valencia! J= uez Ido! E ne obliviez publikigar fotografuri pri la renkontro.

Amikale,

Gon= =C3=A7alo

2016-08-19 11:47 GMT+01:00 Antonio Mart=C3=ADnez hispanahirundo@... [IdoC= atalaOccitan] <IdoCatalaOccitan@yahoogroups.com>:
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Kar amiki di la Linguo= Internaciona Ido,

pos = la duesma kunveno (preske triemsa, pro ke anke ni havis noktala konversado)= me skribas kurta mesajo por salutar vi e dicar ke non personi ek non difer= anta landi parolas e interkomprenas per nia komuna e facila linguo.

En ica Ido renkont= ro esas Idisti ek

GERMANIA
NEDERLANDO
CHINIA
SU= EDIA
BULGARIA
FRANCIA
RUSIA
HISPANIA
Yen la vera utileso di nia linguo! H= omi di diversa landi interkomprenas su per komuna ed internacionala linguo.= Hodie, anke ni recevis la vizito di Esperantista Valenciana. 

Amikala saluti!

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Partaka! https://www.youtube.com/watc= h?v=3Dh1i_mgZKOzk 2016-08-19 6:10 GMT+01:00 qualevistandas@... [IdoCa= talaOccitan] < IdoCatalaOccitan@yahoogroups.com>: > > > Ho, yes, kara Gon= =C3=A7alo! Me tre bone konocas ta belega poemo, pri olqua me > skribis en I= doCatalaOccitan ye plu kam 12 yari ante nun (mesajo #31, 26 di > mayo 2004)= . Tradukar tal maestro-verko aden Ido por kantesar esus mem plu > difikulta= kam agar same pri "La maredeueta", mea nuna defio :-) > ------- > Ka vi pr= izas poezio? > Se yes, brave!, ma se ne, vi omna ya prizeskos ol depos nun.= > Teodor Llorente (Val=C3=A8ncia, 1836 - 1911) skribis la suba poemo, > pe= r olqua ilu montris la beleso di nia matro-linguo. > Ne tante importas ka v= i ne tote komprenas ilua vorti, ma lektez, > askoltez, prenez e sentez l'es= enco, la muziko ipsa, qua ya intence > flugas tra la versaro di ca bela e d= olca poemo. > > VORA EL BARRANC DELS ALGADINS > > Vora el barranc dels Alga= dins > hi ha uns tarongers de tan dol=C3=A7 flaire, > que per a omplir d'ar= oma l'aire, > no t=C3=A9 lo m=C3=B3n millors jardins. > All=C3=AD hi ha un = mas, i el mas t=C3=A9 dins > volguts records de ma infantesa; > per ells jo= tinc l'=C3=A0nima presa > vora el barranc dels Algadins. > > Vora el barra= nc dels Algadins > s'alcen al cel quatre palmeres; > el vent, batent ales l= leugeres, > mou son plomall i els seus troncs fins. > En ells, milers de te= uladins > fan un soroll que el cor encisa; > qui oir pogu=C3=A9s sa xisclad= isa > vora el barranc dels Algadins! > > Vora el barranc dels Algadins > l'= aigua corrent los camps anega, > en sos espills lo sol llampega > i trau l'= arr=C3=B2s verdosos brins. > Sona el tic-tac en los molins, > i en caure el= sol, ca=C3=A7adors destres > a joca van d'=C3=A0necs silvestres, > vora el= barranc dels Algadins. > > Vora el barranc dels Algadins > mour=C3=A0 dem= =C3=A0 les palmes l'aire, > li donaran los horts son flaire > i sa cant=C3= =BAria els teuladins. > El mas, dem=C3=A0, guardar=C3=A0 dins > dol=C3=A7os= records i imatges belles; > jo no podr=C3=A9 gojar ja d'elles > vora el ba= rranc dels Algadins! > > > Poeziala saluti. > > P A R T A K A > > > > > --001a1140fd9e5d073c053a6f4ac4 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hike on povas askoltar la poemo "Vora el barranc dels= Algadins" kantata da Paco Mu=C3=B1oz, kun muzikizo da... Partaka!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Dh1i_mgZKOzk

2016-08-19 6:1= 0 GMT+01:00 qualevistandas@yahoo= .es [IdoCatalaOccitan] <IdoCatalaOccitan@...= m>:
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Ho, yes, kara Go= n=C3=A7alo! Me tre bone konocas ta belega poemo, pri olqua me skribis en Id= oCatalaOccitan ye plu kam 12 yari ante nun (mesajo #31, 26 di mayo 2004). T= radukar tal maestro-verko aden Ido por kantesar esus mem plu difikulta kam = agar same pri "La maredeueta", mea nuna defio :-)=C2=A0

= -------=C2=A0
Ka vi prizas poezio?
Se yes, brave!, ma se ne, vi omna ya pri= zeskos ol depos nun.
Teodor Llorente (Val=C3=A8ncia, 1836 - 1911) skribis la suba= poemo,
per olqua ilu montris la beleso di nia matro-linguo.
Ne tante importas ka vi ne= tote komprenas ilua vorti, ma lektez,
askoltez, prenez e sentez l'esenco, la= muziko ipsa, qua ya intence
flugas tra la versaro di ca bela e dolca poemo.

VORA EL BARRANC = DELS ALGADINS

Vora el barranc dels Algadins
hi ha uns tarongers de tan dol=C3=A7 flaire,
que per a o= mplir d'aroma l'aire,
no t=C3=A9 lo m=C3=B3n millors jardins.
All=C3=AD hi ha = un mas, i el mas t=C3=A9 dins
volguts records de ma infantesa;
per ells jo tinc l'= =C3=A0nima presa
vora el barranc dels Algadins.

Vora el barranc dels Algadins
s'alcen al cel qu= atre palmeres;
el vent, batent ales lleugeres,
mou son plomall i els seus troncs fins.<= /span>
<= span style=3D"color:rgb(63,63,63);font-size:13px;font-weight:normal">En ell= s, milers de teuladins
fan un soroll que el cor encisa;
qui oir pogu=C3=A9s sa xiscladi= sa
vor= a el barranc dels Algadins!

Vora el barranc dels Algadins
l'aigua corrent los camps anega,=
= en so= s espills lo sol llampega
i trau l'arr=C3=B2s verdosos brins.
Sona el tic-tac en lo= s molins,
i en caure el sol, ca=C3=A7adors destres
a joca van d'=C3=A0necs silvestr= es,
vo= ra el barranc dels Algadins.

Vora el barranc dels Alggadins
mour=C3=A0 dem=C3=A0 les palmes l&#= 39;aire,
li donaran los horts son flaire
i sa cant=C3=BAria els teuladins.
El mas, dem=C3= =A0, guardar=C3=A0 dins
dol=C3=A7os records i imatges belles;
jo no podr=C3=A9 gojar ja= d'elles
vora el barranc dels Algadins!


Poeziala saluti.

P A R T A K A=C2=A0



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Kar amiki dil Internaciona Linguo Ido,

vi povas lektar e regardar la novaji che nia renkontrala blogo.

Amikala saluti de Valencia, ma anke ek non landi.

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Nu, tua frato anke kantas= tre bele:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DRylAfg82Wr0

Es= pereble uldie il volos e povos kantar anke en Ido!

= Cetere me jus remarkis la vorto "infantesa" en la Valenciana, sam= senca (e samforma!) kam "infanteso" en Ido.

= 2016-08-19 19:24 GMT+01:00 quale= vistandas@... [IdoCatalaOccitan] <IdoCatalaOccitan= @yahoogroups.com>:
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Ho, yes, grand-anma (e grand-boka :-) Gon=C3=A7alo! Ta b= ela muziko kreesis da mea frato, Yannis Partakanakis, qua habitas Vinar=C3= =B2s, che la extrema nordo di Valencia-lando, de multa yari ante nun.=C2=A0=


(Yorgos Partakanakis)=C2=A0

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Mea frato agis kom kantisto e kompozisto dum kelka yari, = kande, veninta de Valencia, ni probis e sucesis restar en Barcelona. Tamen,= to eventis ye tre multa yari ante nun. Nun-tempe, il ne plus kantas, anke = de multa yari antee, do ke mea frato kantez en Ido esas advere plu difikult= a kam ke me povez tradukar aden Ido "La maredeueta" e mem "V= ora el barranc" :-)=C2=A0

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X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Aug 2016 12:52:28.0276 (UTC) FILETIME=[B50FEB40:01D1FAE1] Subject: Frazo da Quevedo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=211083072; y=Aml_7FLPVotnhlmH1XB11RqNretNVvODWwPR8szNWD44yoj4HLZZ7YA X-Yahoo-Profile: idovalencia From: Che Partaka --_000_VI1PR0201MB22212652834845DFCCBCC337FDD170VI1PR0201MB2221_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable "Min multe malfacas la malfacanti kam un mala judiciisto." (Quevedo) (Pa= rtaka) --_000_VI1PR0201MB22212652834845DFCCBCC337FDD170VI1PR0201MB2221_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

"= Min multe malfacas la malfacanti kam un mala judiciisto." (Quevedo)&nb= sp;


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X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Aug 2016 01:42:42.0370 (UTC) FILETIME=[4ECF0A20:01D1FB4D] Subject: Els nostres wiki-diccionaris X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=211083072; y=eGFbH9HfxYVB9wXQDYdq6dwBNIUzIOmm4JXuUniDP6u3ryjR2KkiaiE X-Yahoo-Profile: idovalencia From: Che Partaka --_000_VI1PR0201MB2221B5BE8199F7CFAB67ECC85DDE90VI1PR0201MB2221_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Bon dia i bona hora, estimats! Heus ac=ED noves estad=EDstiques sobre els = nostres wiki-diccionaris, pel que fa al nombre actual de p=E0gines publicad= es per cadasc=FA, i a la posici=F3 general que ocupa, ara mateix, cada wiki= -diccionari. - Wikivortaro (en Ido). P=E0gines: 264.915. Posici=F3: 21 - V= iccionari (en Catal=E0). P=E0gines: 219.121. Posici=F3: 25 - Wikiccionari (= en Occitan). P=E0gines: 28.061. Posici=F3: 56 I ara, heus ac=ED l'enlla=E7= al nostre wiki-diccionari en Ido: http://io.wiktionary.org/wiki/Frontispic= o Au, penya! Fins una altra! + IDO: linguo komuna e neutra por omni. = * * * * * * * * p a r t a k a * * * * * * * * --_000_VI1PR0201MB2221B5BE8199F7CFAB67ECC85DDE90VI1PR0201MB2221_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Bon dia i bona hora, estimats! 

Heus ac=ED noves estad=EDstiques sobre els = nostres wiki-diccionaris, 
pel que fa al nombre actual de p= =E0gines publicades per cadasc=FA,
i a la posici=F3 general que ocupa, ara mateix, ca= da wiki-diccionari. 
 
- Wikivortaro (en Ido). P=E0gines:= 264.915. Posici=F3: 21 
- Viccionari (en Catal=E0). P=E0gines: 21= 9.121. Posici=F3: 25
- Wikiccionari (en Occitan). P=E0gines: 28.06= 1. Posici=F3: 56 
 
I ara, heus ac=ED l'enlla=E7 al nostr= e wiki-diccionari en Ido: 
http= ://io.wiktionary.org/wiki/Frontispico

 

Au, penya! Fins una altra! 
 
&= #43; IDO: linguo komuna e neutra por omni. 
 
 
= * * * * * * * * 
p a r t a k a
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X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Jul 2016 11:22:52.0979 (UTC) FILETIME=[64AD7030:01D1DF54] Subject: Frazo da Hemingway X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=211083072; y=8NMULroef_360S0gv0fgNiot0ic--DyCtuHzS0yAGrhLMMWr5Uns3eE X-Yahoo-Profile: idovalencia From: Che Partaka --_000_VI1PR0201MB22211CC01F05F0ED6488D1119DD340VI1PR0201MB2221_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable "Me naskis por juar la vivo, ma Deo obliviis la pekunio." (Hemingway) (= Partaka) --_000_VI1PR0201MB22211CC01F05F0ED6488D1119DD340VI1PR0201MB2221_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

"Me naskis por juaar la vivo, ma Deo obliviis la = pekunio." (Hemingway)

 

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Richar= d la 2ma di Anglia esis kronizata, evante dek yari, pos la morto di la ante= a rejulo, ilua avulo Edward la 3ma. Kom puero il regnis kun la helpo di pov= oza nobeli, precipue di sua onklo John de Gent. Kom adulto Richard deziris = regnar sole, e ca nobeli divenis povoza opozanti. Henry Bolingbroke duko de= Hereford, filiulo di John de Gent, esabis exilata dum plura yari da Richar= d; il retrovenis en julio 1399 kun armeo e kaptis Richard en agosto. Henry = Bolingbroke divenis la nova rejulo Henry la 4ma di Anglia. 1872. En Borge, = Norvegia, la exploristo Roald Amundsen naskis. Ilua patro, navo-proprietant= o Jens Amundsen, mortis kande Roald evis 14 yari. Evante 21 yari, ye la mor= to di sua matro, il abandonis medikala studiado e devotigis su ad explorado= . De 1903 til 1906 il duktis expediciono por trovar nord-westa pasajo de la= Atlantiko a la Pacifiko, en la navo Gj=C3=B8a. De 1910 til 1912 il duktis = expediciono ad Antarktika: il e quar altri atingis la suda polo ye 14 di de= cember 1911. 1969. La spaco-navo Apollo 11 lansesis. Lo esis la unesma expe= diciono en qua homi pozis pedi sur la luno. La navo portis Neil Armstrong, = Buzz Aldrin e Michael Collins; dum ke Collins esis en orbito cirkum la luno= , Armstrong ed Aldrin atingis la surfaco di la satelito ye 20 di julio. Sis= e duima hori pos arivo, Armstrong facis pazo adsur la surfaco, dicante, "T= o esas un mikra pazo por homo, un giganta salto por homaro." Kordiale DGW ------=_Part_248337_851440780.14686735244615 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
(Da DGW, che l' forumo Ido-listo) 

= Ye ca dio, 16 julio...

1377. Richard la 2ma d= i Anglia esis kronizata, evante dek yari, pos la morto di la antea rejulo, = ilua avulo Edward la 3ma. Kom puero il regnis kun la helpo di povoza nobeli= , precipue di sua onklo John de Gent. Kom adulto Richard deziris regnar sol= e, e ca nobeli divenis povoza opozanti. Henry Bolingbroke duko de Hereford,= filiulo di John de Gent, esabis exilata dum plura yari da Richard; il retr= ovenis en julio 1399 kun armeo e kaptis Richard en agosto. Henry Bolingbrok= e divenis la nova rejulo Henry la 4ma di Anglia.

1872. En Borge, Norvegia, la exploristo = Roald Amundsen naskis. Ilua patro, navo-proprietanto Jens Amundsen, mortis = kande Roald evis 14 yari. Evante 21 yari, ye la morto di sua matro, il aban= donis medikala studiado e devotigis su ad explorado. De 1903 til 1906 il du= ktis expediciono por trovar nord-westa pasajo de la Atlantiko a la Pacifiko= , en la navo Gj=C3=B8a. De 1910 til 1912 il duktis expediciono ad Antarktik= a: il e quar altri atingis la suda polo ye 14 di december 1911.

1969. La spac= o-navo Apollo 11 lansesis. Lo esis la unesma expediciono en qua homi pozis = pedi sur la luno. La navo portis Neil Armstrong, Buzz Aldrin e Michael Coll= ins; dum ke Collins esis en orbito cirkum la luno, Armstrong ed Aldrin atin= gis la surfaco di la satelito ye 20 di julio. Sis e duima hori pos arivo, A= rmstrong facis pazo adsur la surfaco, dicante, "To esas un mikra pazo por h= omo, un giganta salto por homaro."

Kordiale DGW

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X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Jul 2016 10:58:47.0384 (UTC) FILETIME=[5BDCA580:01D1E0E3] Subject: Frazo da Descartes X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=211083072; y=pqbYvLZjt9D_1ZR8qglH6Pv-Us2InTTh1OsHuuNWYf67r1F5zwDCUQs X-Yahoo-Profile: idovalencia From: Che Partaka --_000_VI1PR0201MB222117F271507ECCE07ACDD99DD360VI1PR0201MB2221_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable "Me donus omno quon me savas po duimo de to quon me ne savas." (Descartes) = (Partaka) --_000_VI1PR0201MB222117F271507ECCE07ACDD99DD360VI1PR0201MB2221_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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Heus Partaka !

Chanji eventis tamen. Exemple la vorto dubito vice dubo, hela vice klara (koncernante koloro) etp. Kelka de ta reformi esis tante stulta ke, fortunoze, oli ne havis efekto. Ma la disputi pro la reformi o la volo por reformi esis tante akra ke oli departigis multa valoroza elementi di nia movado. Pri Fernando Tejon, me ne savas, ma la tro facila disputi departigis Frank Kasper, Thomas Schmidt, Detlev Groth ed altra utila personi. Do la posibleso di senfina reformi per diskuti havis dizastroza rezultajo. Se on rezolvabus ke evoluciono di la linguo povabus eventar per la literaturo e la uzado e ne per diskuti (e disputi), mem se la linguo evolucionabus plu multe la efiko esabus min devastera. Ed Ido, probable, havus plu multa adheranti hodie ed esus plu konsiderata en la mondo dil Interlinguistiko.

Kordiale. JM :::-:::


Le 18/07/2016 à 14:33, qualevistandas@... [IdoCatalaOccitan] a écrit :
 

Bon jorno, Brian! 

Se me juste memoras, tua paro de Ido-poemi da Henry Devannes skriptesis en 1913, ka ne? Me konjektas, ke tu chanjis nulo ibe, e ke tu nur riproduktis la vorti skriptita da nia pioniro, ka ne? Nu, se la Ido-texti, quin tu prizentis, skriptesis tale en 1913, esas advere impresanta la preske nula chanjo di Ido mem pos un yarcento. Do, ti qui asertis, ke Ido sinkos pro lua senfina reformi e chanji, tote eroris. 

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Kara Jean e Partaka,
 
Me ne savas pro quo la personi mencionita livis, ma disputachi ya esas repulsiva ed evitinda.
Polita diskutado, tamen, esas altra e necesa afero; tale Ido adoptesis e developesis. On darfas propozar altra moyeno, ma on devas respektar la tilnuna moyeno til ke majoritato decidas diferante.
 
La radiko "dubit" (vice "dub") adoptesis 88 yari ante nun (en 1928); on ne devas prizar ol ma supozeble ol adoptesis demokrate. On certe darfas argumentar ke la chanjo esis mala, ma on devas respektar (til ke on persuadas altri demokrate) ke olua uzo esas justa. La radiko "hel" ne remplasis "klar", nam li havas senci diferanta. On povas trovar kelka mala chanji (nulu esas perfekta; erori eventas), ma tala problemi esas rezolvebla per plusa diskuto.
 
Un problemo prezenta esas manko di (polita) diskuto pri vorti bezonata. En recenta yari adminime tri Idisti laboris serioze pri ta bezoni, ma nun li semblas ne esar videbla inter ni, forsan pro ke lia esforci ignoresis. Do, la problemo esas duopla: unlatere disputachi e manko di toleremeso, ed altralatere manko di intereso.
 
Kordiale.
Robert C.

Heus Partaka !

Chanji eventis tamen. Exemple la vorto dubito vice dubo, hela vice klara (koncernante koloro) etp. Kelka de ta reformi esis tante stulta ke, fortunoze, oli ne havis efekto. Ma la disputi pro la reformi o la volo por reformi esis tante akra ke oli departigis multa valoroza elementi di nia movado. Pri Fernando Tejon, me ne savas, ma la tro facila disputi departigis Frank Kasper, Thomas Schmidt, Detlev Groth ed altra utila personi. Do la posibleso di senfina reformi per diskuti havis dizastroza rezultajo. Se on rezolvabus ke evoluciono di la linguo povabus eventar per la literaturo e la uzado e ne per diskuti (e disputi), mem se la linguo evolucionabus plu multe la efiko esabus min devastera. Ed Ido, probable, havus plu multa adheranti hodie ed esus plu konsiderata en la mondo dil Interlinguistiko.

Kordiale. JM :::-:::



Le 18/07/2016 à 14:33, qualevistandas@... [IdoCatalaOccitan] a écrit :
 
Bon jorno, Brian! 
Se me juste memoras, tua paro de Ido-poemi da Henry Devannes skriptesis en 1913, ka ne? Me konjektas, ke tu chanjis nulo ibe, e ke tu nur riproduktis la vorti skriptita da nia pioniro, ka ne? Nu, se la Ido-texti, quin tu prizentis, skriptesis tale en 1913, esas advere impresanta la preske nula chanjo di Ido mem pos un yarcento. Do, ti qui asertis, ke Ido sinkos pro lua senfina reformi e chanji, tote eroris. 

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[francidol] Sent: Monday, July 18, 2016= 9:37 PM To: IdoCatalaOccitan@yahoogroups.com Cc: francidol@groupesyahoo.c= a Subject: [francidol] Quale devus esar Ido (da valoroza nov Idisto) = Yen, mesajo sendita da recenta ed esperigiva Idisto (Gilles-Philippe Morin= ) che un de la Faciolibri ("Facebook"-i) titulizita IDO : Pro quo me refuz= as la Ido pos Dyer. Yen mea motivi pro quo me judikas, ke la reformeti pos= Dyer (1924) esas nekoheranta e neutila. Ta chanji neutile desfaciligis mea= lernesko di Ido e me esperas, ke la lernonti ne esos misinformata quale me= . -AB- La Idisti ante 1947 povis expresar omna tempi sen bezonar la finalo= =AB -abas =BB. Ni ne bezonas ol, quale lo explikas la Kompleta Gramatiko d= etaloza (parto Sufixi, noto 1a). ABISO Ni ja havas =AB abismo =BB, do =AB = abiso =BB esas simple neutila. ABSTRAKTA Ni ja havas =AB abstraktar =BB, d= o =ABabstrakt-ita =BB. Ta vorto venas de la verbo Latina =AB abstrahere =BB= , do ol esas inherante verbo. La propozajo =AB abstrakta =BB venas de la vo= rto Latina =AB abstractus =BB, qua esas simple la participo pasinta di =AB = abstrahere =BB. Pro to, la verbo superesas l'adjektivo; e =AB abstraktar = =BB e =AB abstrakt-ita =BB esas justa etimologiale. ALKALDO Ni ja havas = =AB alkado =BB. Ta vorto venas del Araba =AB al-qadi =BB. La =AB L =BB esas= neutila e nekorekta de vid-punto etimologial. ARTILERIO Ni ja havas =AB a= rtilrio =BB. Ta vorto venas de la (Olda) Franca =AB artillerie =BB en qua o= n ne pronuncas la unesma =AB E =BB. Ni sequez la altra vorto Franca =AB cav= allerie =BB, en qua anke on ne ponuncas la unesma =AB E =BB, e qua esas =AB= kavalrio =BB en Ido. Konseque, ni uzez =AB artilrio =BB pro kohero fonetik= al ed etimologial. AUSPICIO Ni ja havas =AB auspico =BB. Ta vorto venas de= la Latina =AB auspicium =BB. La kustumo di la pioniri esis rempasigar la f= inalo Latina =AB ium =BB per la finalo =AB o =BB en Ido. To esas pro quo = =AB chromium =BB divenis =AB kromo =BB, pro quo =AB delicium =BB divenis = =AB delico =BB, pro quo =AB delirium =BB divenis =AB deliro =BB, pro quo = =AB endocardium =BB divenis =AB endokardo =BB, pro quo =AB equilibrium =BB = divenis =AB equilibro =BB, pro quo =AB magnesium =BB divenis =AB magnezo = =BB, pro quo =AB prothallium =BB divenis =AB protalo =BB, pro quo =AB rubid= ium =BB divenis =AB rubido =BB, pro quo =AB ruthenium =BB divenis =AB ruten= o =BB, pro quo =AB taedium =BB divenis =AB tedo =BB, pro quo =AB tellurium = =BB divenis =AB teluro =BB, pro quo =AB titanium =BB divenis =AB titano =BB= , pro quo =AB trapezium =BB divenis =AB trapezo =BB, pro quo =AB uranium = =BB divenis =AB urano =BB, pro quo =AB vanadium =BB divenis =AB vanado =BB,= pro quo =AB yitterbium =BB divenis =AB yiterbo =BB, pro quo =AB yttrium = =BB divenis =AB yitro =BB, e. c.. To esas metodo da Zamenhof quan la pionir= i konservis. Esas partikulara kazi en qua =AB ium =BB divenas =AB io =BB, m= a =AB auspicium =BB, =AB delicium =BB e =AB dubium =BB ne esas tala kazi. N= ur =AB auspico =BB esas do justa. AVIONO Ni ja havas =AB aeroplano =BB, qu= a esas tote internaciona e tote bona. CERTENA To ofras nulo utila quan =AB= ula =BB ne povas expresar. DELICIO Ni ja havas =AB delico =BB, qua venas = de la Latina =AB delicium =BB. Videz la expliko en AUSPICIO. Nur =AB delico= =BB esas justa. DICIONARIO Ni ja havas =AB vort-aro =BB e =AB vorto-libro= =BB, e la pioniri nultempe adoptis ta vorto mem se li uzis ta koncepto tre= ofte. Pro quo ni bezonus ol nun? DINOSAURO* Ni ja havas =AB dinosaurio = =BB, qua venas de la Latina =AB Dinosauria =BB e de =AB saurio =BB en Ido. = Segun la kustumo di la pioniri, la finalo Latina =AB ia =BB divenas =AB io = =BB en Ido. To esas pro quo =AB abulia =BB divenis =AB abulio =BB, pro quo = =AB aktinia =BB divenis =AB aktinio =BB, pro quo =AB ambrosia =BB divenis = =AB ambrozio =BB, =AB amnesia =BB divenis =AB amnezio =BB, pro quo =AB anae= mia =BB divenis =AB anemio =BB, pro quo =AB analgesia =BB divenis =AB analg= ezio =BB, pro quo =AB aphasia =BB divenis =AB afazio =BB, pro quo =AB ataxi= a =BB divenis =AB ataxio =BB, e. c.. Konseque, =AB dinosaurio =BB esas tote= korekta. DOLARO Ta monet-uno ne esas en la metrala sistemo; videz en la K= ompleta Gramatiko detaloza, parto Propra Nomi, artiklo 18a. DUBITO Ni ja h= avas =AB dubo =BB. Stando-verbi tala kam =AB delirar =BB, =AB equilibrar = =BB, =AB jornar =BB, =AB pacar =BB, e. c., venas de stando-nomi: =AB deliro= =BB, =AB equilibro =BB, =AB jorno =BB, =AB paco =BB, e. c.. Por plusa deta= li, videz en la Kompleta Gramatiko detaloza, parto Nemediata Derivado, 1a n= oto. =AB Dubito =BB esas nekorekta nam ol venas de la verbo =AB dubitare = =BB qua derivesas de la stando-vorto =AB dubium =BB e ne de la stando-vorto= =AB dubium =BB ipsa. Sualatere, =AB dubo =BB esas tote justa. EMO Ni ja h= avas =AB skopo =BB. EMPLASTRO La antea defini di =AB plastro =BB e di =AB = gipso =BB esas tote korekta. GENITORI Ni ja havas =AB genit-inti =BB, qua = havas la sam origino etimologial e la sama senco logikala. Ultre to, =AB ge= -patri =BB tote respektas la metodo di lla pioniri en qua on uzas la maskula= vorto Latina kom origino di la genroneutra vorto en Ido : =AB avo =BB de = =AB avus =BB, =AB onklo =BB de =AB avunculus =BB, =AB filio =BB de =AB fili= us =BB, =AB frato =BB de =AB frater =BB, =AB patro =BB de =AB pater =BB, e.= c.. HOLA Ol nultempe esis sinonimo di =AB saluto =BB. HODIE Ni ja havas = =AB ca-die =BB, qua signifikas lo sama kam =AB hodie =BB segun la Kompleta = Gramatiko detaloza. =AB Ho- =BB kom sufixo esas anke neutila, nam ol havas = la sama senco kam =AB ca- =BB. MILIETO Ni ja havas =AB milyeto =BB, qua ve= nas de la Franca =AB millet =BB. La pioniri transskribis ta Franca =AB ill = =BB fonetikale : =AB ily =BB. Konseque, ni havas anke =AB malyoto =BB de = =AB maillot =BB. En la sama metodo, la Franca =AB gn =BB divenis =AB ny =BB= en Ido : =AB konyako =BB, =AB onyono =BB, =AB ponyeto =BB, =AB vinyeto =BB= , e.c.. Stranje, nulu remplasigis =AB malyoto =BB per =AB malioto =BB. PLA= STRO La antea defini di =AB plastro =BB e di =AB gipso =BB esas tote korekt= a. RET-SITUO Unesme, Dyer nultempe skribas =AB t-s =BB nam ol esas evitind= a pro konflikto kun =AB c =BB, do : =AB reto-situo =BB. Duesme, =AB situo = =BB esas ago ma la Angla =AB (web)site =BB esas kozo. 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Yen, mesajo sendita da recenta ed esperigiva Idisto (Gilles-Philippe Mori= n) che un de la Faciolibri ("Facebook"-i) titulizita IDO :
 

Pro quo me refuzas la Ido pos Dyer.

Yen mea motivi pro quo me judikas, ke la reformeti pos Dyer (1924= ) esas nekoheranta e neutila. Ta chanji neutile desfaciligis mea lernesko = di Ido e me esperas, ke la lernonti ne esos misinformata quale me.<= /P>

-AB-
La Idisti ante 1947 povis expres= ar omna tempi sen bezonar la finalo =AB -abas =BB. Ni ne bezonas ol, quale= lo explikas la Kompleta Gramatiko detaloza (parto Sufixi, noto 1a).

ABISO
Ni ja havas =AB abismo =BB, d= o =AB abiso =BB esas simple neutila.

ABSTRAKTA
Ni ja havas =AB abstraktar =BB, do =ABabstrakt-ita =BB. = Ta vorto venas de la verbo Latina =AB abstrahere =BB, do ol esas inherante= verbo. La propozajo =AB abstrakta =BB venas de la vorto Latina =AB abstra= ctus =BB, qua esas simple la participo pasinta di =AB abstrahere =BB. Pro t= o, la verbo superesas l=92adjektivo; e =AB abstraktar =BB e =AB abstrakt-i= ta =BB esas justa etimologiale.

= ALKALDO
Ni ja havas =AB alkado =BB. Ta vorto venas del Araba =AB al-qad= i =BB. La =AB L =BB esas neutila e nekorekta de vid-punto etimologial.

ARTILERIO
Ni ja havas =AB artilri= o =BB. Ta vorto venas de la (Olda) Franca =AB artillerie =BB en qua on ne = pronuncas la unesma =AB E =BB. Ni sequez la altra vorto Franca =AB cavalle= rie =BB, en qua anke on ne ponuncas la unesma =AB E =BB, e qua esas =AB ka= valrio =BB en Ido. Konseque, ni uzez =AB artilrio =BB pro kohero fonetikal= ed etimologial.

AUSPICIO
Ni j= a havas =AB auspico =BB. Ta vorto venas de la Latina =AB auspicium =BB. La= kustumo di la pioniri esis rempasigar la finalo Latina =AB ium =BB per la= finalo =AB o =BB en Ido. To esas pro quo =AB chromium =BB divenis =AB kro= mo =BB, pro quo =AB delicium =BB divenis =AB delico =BB, pro quo =AB deliri= um =BB divenis =AB deliro =BB, pro quo =AB endocardium =BB divenis =AB end= okardo =BB, pro quo =AB equilibrium =BB divenis =AB equilibro =BB, pro quo= =AB magnesium =BB divenis =AB magnezo =BB, pro quo =AB prothallium =BB di= venis =AB protalo =BB, pro quo =AB rubidium =BB divenis =AB rubido =BB, pro= quo =AB ruthenium =BB divenis =AB ruteno =BB, pro quo =AB taedium =BB div= enis =AB tedo =BB, pro quo =AB tellurium =BB divenis =AB teluro =BB, pro q= uo =AB titanium =BB divenis =AB titano =BB, pro quo =AB trapezium =BB dive= nis =AB trapezo =BB, pro quo =AB uranium =BB divenis =AB urano =BB, pro qu= o =AB vanadium =BB divenis =AB vanado =BB, pro quo =AB yitterbium =BB diven= is =AB yiterbo =BB, pro quo =AB yttrium =BB divenis =AB yitro =BB, e. c.. = To esas metodo da Zamenhof quan la pioniri konservis. Esas partikulara kaz= i en qua =AB ium =BB divenas =AB io =BB, ma =AB auspicium =BB, =AB deliciu= m =BB e =AB dubium =BB ne esas tala kazi. Nur =AB auspico =BB esas do just= a.

AVIONO
Ni ja havas =AB aero= plano =BB, qua esas tote internaciona e tote bona.

CERTENA
To ofras nulo utila quan =AB ula =BB ne povas= expresar.

DELICIO
Ni ja hava= s =AB delico =BB, qua venas de la Latina =AB delicium =BB. Videz la explik= o en AUSPICIO. Nur =AB delico =BB esas justa.

DICIONARIO
Ni ja havas =AB vort-aro =BB e =AB vorto-libro= =BB, e la pioniri nultempe adoptis ta vorto mem se li uzis ta koncepto tr= e ofte. Pro quo ni bezonus ol nun?

DINOSAURO*
Ni ja havas =AB dinosaurio =BB, qua venas de la Latina =AB= Dinosauria =BB e de =AB saurio =BB en Ido. Segun la kustumo di la pioniri= , la finalo Latina =AB ia =BB divenas =AB io =BB en Ido. To esas pro quo = =AB abulia =BB divenis =AB abulio =BB, pro quo =AB aktinia =BB divenis =AB= aktinio =BB, pro quo =AB ambrosia =BB divenis =AB ambrozio =BB, =AB amnes= ia =BB divenis =AB amnezio =BB, pro quo =AB anaemia =BB divenis =AB anemio= =BB, pro quo =AB analgesia =BB divenis =AB analgezio =BB, pro quo =AB aph= asia =BB divenis =AB afazio =BB, pro quo =AB ataxia =BB divenis =AB ataxio = =BB, e. c.. Konseque, =AB dinosaurio =BB esas tote korekta.

= DOLARO
Ta monet-uno ne esas en la metrala si= stemo; videz en la Kompleta Gramatiko detaloza, parto Propra Nomi, artiklo= 18a.

DUBITO
Ni ja havas =AB = dubo =BB. Stando-verbi tala kam =AB delirar =BB, =AB equilibrar =BB, =AB j= ornar =BB, =AB pacar =BB, e. c., venas de stando-nomi: =AB deliro =BB, =AB= equilibro =BB, =AB jorno =BB, =AB paco =BB, e. c.. Por plusa detali, videz= en la Kompleta Gramatiko detaloza, parto Nemediata Derivado, 1a noto. =AB= Dubito =BB esas nekorekta nam ol venas de la verbo =AB dubitare =BB qua d= erivesas de la stando-vorto =AB dubium =BB e ne de la stando-vorto =AB dub= ium =BB ipsa. Sualatere, =AB dubo =BB esas tote justa.

EMO
Ni ja havas =AB skopo =BB.

EMPLASTRO
La antea defini di =AB plastro =BB e d= i =AB gipso =BB esas tote korekta.

GENITORI
Ni ja havas =AB genit-inti =BB, qua havas la sam origino et= imologial e la sama senco logikala. Ultre to, =AB ge-patri =BB tote respek= tas la metodo di la pioniri en qua on uzas la maskula vorto Latina kom ori= gino di la genroneutra vorto en Ido : =AB avo =BB de =AB avus =BB, =AB onkl= o =BB de =AB avunculus =BB, =AB filio =BB de =AB filius =BB, =AB frato =BB= de =AB frater =BB, =AB patro =BB de =AB pater =BB, e.c..

HOLA
Ol nultempe esis sinonimo di =AB saluto = =BB=85

HODIE
Ni ja havas =AB c= a-die =BB, qua signifikas lo sama kam =AB hodie =BB segun la Kompleta Gram= atiko detaloza. =AB Ho- =BB kom sufixo esas anke neutila, nam ol havas la = sama senco kam =AB ca- =BB.

MILIE= TO
Ni ja havas =AB milyeto =BB, qua venas de la Franca =AB millet =BB. = La pioniri transskribis ta Franca =AB ill =BB fonetikale : =AB ily =BB. Ko= nseque, ni havas anke =AB malyoto =BB de =AB maillot =BB. En la sama metodo= , la Franca =AB gn =BB divenis =AB ny =BB en Ido : =AB konyako =BB, =AB on= yono =BB, =AB ponyeto =BB, =AB vinyeto =BB, e.c.. Stranje, nulu remplasigi= s =AB malyoto =BB per =AB malioto =BB=85

PLASTRO
La antea defini di =AB plastro =BB e di =AB gipso =BB = esas tote korekta.

RET-SITUO
U= nesme, Dyer nultempe skribas =AB t-s =BB nam ol esas evitinda pro konflikt= o kun =AB c =BB, do : =AB reto-situo =BB. Duesme, =AB situo =BB esas ago m= a la Angla =AB (web)site =BB esas kozo. Konseque, la korekta traduko esas = =AB reto-loko =BB plu juste kam =AB reto-situo =BB.

SEKRETARIATO
Nu, ni ja havas =AB sekretari-erio =BB e= =AB sekretari-eyo =BB (quale =AB komisari-eyo =BB, qua ne esas =AB komisa= riato =BB)=85

TANDEM
Ni ja ha= vas =AB fine =BB, quale uzata en la Kompleta Gramatiko detaloza e konsilat= a da Dyer.